Falmer stadium will escape battle (From The Argus)

thank goodness for that. they can't even see it from lewes. just think of all that tax-payers money they have wasted.

Thank goodness we can't see it from Brighton and Hove either

Why has it escaped? The design has changed. If I was building an extension in my garden and I changed the plans the council would rightfully give me merry hell.
Is there a different law for football stadiums?

i would imagine the concerts every week will drive the residents of falmer mad .. imagine fatboy playing his stuff every few weeks!!

mark 62 wrote:
i would imagine the concerts every week will drive the residents of falmer mad .. imagine fatboy playing his stuff every few weeks!!

You are scaremongering there mate, not gonna happen as they will have to apply for permission to hold those sort of events on a case by case basis.

I hope this gets built quickly, about time football fans had somewhere to go (and no, I'm not a footy fan) and more space for teaching etc.

Trust me, this stadium will NOT be built quickly, reasons:

1) we are in the beginnings of a deep recession
2)We are ina credit crunch - banks wont lend

3) Most crucially, the business plan is flawed. B&H A are a small club near the bottom of a lower league, they will not generate a quarter of the revenue they need to make this stadium pay, banks if they were lending money, will run a mile from this 'proposition'

Spot on Arthur Daley but let them have their dreams!

Don't I remember a headline in the Argus - 'building work will start on the stadium before the end of the year'.

Has it started?

Work has started Osama - the archaeologists are in ...so with their little paintbrushes and trowels (and maybe with the help of Tony Robinson and the Channel 4 TimeTeam) you should get the foundations by about 2032!!! lol

As for funding it by dressing it up as "education" they will tap into the never ending Government money that is spewing forth from Crash Gordon like a drunk regurgitaing their pizza on a Friday night.

Arther you are right no sane bank in its right mind would lend for this ...but our Government will so it would appear that sadly it will be built...with YOUR tax money....eventually!


Expect to see grants, development loans, help from Government quangos (aren't SEEDA paying for the road widening - remember them their CEO James Braithwaite and his £55k a year taxi expenses!??! - earlier Argus story)

Dear Lord please save us from our politicians for they know not what they do!

william of orange wrote:
Work has started Osama - the archaeologists are in ...so with their little paintbrushes and trowels (and maybe with the help of Tony Robinson and the Channel 4 TimeTeam) you should get the foundations by about 2032!!! lol As for funding it by dressing it up as "education" they will tap into the never ending Government money that is spewing forth from Crash Gordon like a drunk regurgitaing their pizza on a Friday night. Arther you are right no sane bank in its right mind would lend for this ...but our Government will so it would appear that sadly it will be built...with YOUR tax money....eventually! Expect to see grants, development loans, help from Government quangos (aren't SEEDA paying for the road widening - remember them their CEO James Braithwaite and his £55k a year taxi expenses!??! - earlier Argus story) Dear Lord please save us from our politicians for they know not what they do!

I love you Billy O' - you have a way with words,that only Shakespere could dream

william of orange wrote:

Work has started Osama - the archaeologists are in ...so with their little paintbrushes and trowels (and maybe with the help of Tony Robinson and the Channel 4 TimeTeam) you should get the foundations by about 2032!!! lol

As for funding it by dressing it up as "education" they will tap into the never ending Government money that is spewing forth from Crash Gordon like a drunk regurgitaing their pizza on a Friday night.

Arther you are right no sane bank in its right mind would lend for this ...but our Government will so it would appear that sadly it will be built...with YOUR tax money....eventually!



Expect to see grants, development loans, help from Government quangos (aren't SEEDA paying for the road widening - remember them their CEO James Braithwaite and his £55k a year taxi expenses!??! - earlier Argus story)

Dear Lord please save us from our politicians for they know not what they do!

So no actual building of any sort by the end of this year then. First promise broken.

I thought it was being funded mostly by the University, because basically this marvellous football club is so skint it has no cash. I am totally against taxpayers money being spent on what is essentially a minority interest.

Osama bin there wrote:
Don't I remember a headline in the Argus - 'building work will start on the stadium before the end of the year'. Has it started?

Yes Dec 17th first shovel goes in (You could apply for a ticket to witness it...but not being on the Albion database I doubt you'll get one...never mind would have been nice to see your face). Read it and weep all you Nimby's and Trouble Makers and Stirrers and Kill Joys and MINORITY interests. Keep clinging to your pathetic nonsense. Yes some of you are WUM's but some of you seriously think you can scupper us now. The Seagulls are soaring...the future IS bright. The future is Blue and White stripes. We are Brighton, We ARE having a New Stadium... Deal with it!!

Reginaldo wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:
Don't I remember a headline in the Argus - 'building work will start on the stadium before the end of the year'. Has it started?

Yes Dec 17th first shovel goes in (You could apply for a ticket to witness it...but not being on the Albion database I doubt you'll get one...never mind would have been nice to see your face). Read it and weep all you Nimby's and Trouble Makers and Stirrers and Kill Joys and MINORITY interests. Keep clinging to your pathetic nonsense. Yes some of you are WUM's but some of you seriously think you can scupper us now. The Seagulls are soaring...the future IS bright. The future is Blue and White stripes. We are Brighton, We ARE having a New Stadium... Deal with it!!

You can buy a ticket to see the first shovel go in?!!

Still, that's guaranteed to be a hell of a lot more thrilling than your average Albion match . . . . enjoy!!

(the blind following of the baa-ing Albion supporters never ceases to amaze me . . . .)

So if a bunch of football supporters can get what is esentially taxpayers money to support their hobby do you think I could get taxpayers money to support mine??

I like sex...it's nice....it's enjoyable...it's educational (sex education) so can I tap into the education budget and get a brothel built at Falmer please?

Its likely to be more profitable than the Seagulls will EVER be and "the games" at the brothel will be a darn sight more enjoyable!

So please support me in the Brothel For Falmer Campaign (BFFC) by signing the online petition at

www.iwannabrothelatf
almer.co.uk

and remember to ask your councillor to support us as well...oh and tell him Talulah says "hi" and that she's still got the negatives.

What do we want?...a brothel for Falmer...when do we want it? Now!

If we can get at least 6 signatures then under this Government we are guaranteed a handout!

Ridiculous isn't it...but then so is building a stadium with what is essentially taxpayers money just so we can support someones hobby!

Get your thieving hands out of my wallet!

Once again, I hear the sound of whistling in the dark here from football fans about the Falmer Stadium. Those who heard the statements from the two football club spokesmen, Messrs Knight and Perry, a few weeks ago will know that despite their forced optimism, funding for the stadium has not been secured. There is no possibility of a financial institution providing many tens of millions of pounds to a football club that is: a) struggling in the third tier of English football, b) incapable of drawing an audience to fill its existing small ground, and, c) barely able to finance its operations from year to year. No bank would approve loans on that prospectus, even without the present national and global difficulties. Because the Falmer stadium has no collateral housing or commercial potential it was a dubious financial and operational case from the outset, and the financing arguments put at the planning stage were worthless, as they always are. The stadium will not go ahead unless it is entirely government or local government funded, and what we need now is some long delayed honesty from the club and the city council.

toujaty wrote:
Once again, I hear the sound of whistling in the dark here from football fans about the Falmer Stadium. Those who heard the statements from the two football club spokesmen, Messrs Knight and Perry, a few weeks ago will know that despite their forced optimism, funding for the stadium has not been secured. There is no possibility of a financial institution providing many tens of millions of pounds to a football club that is: a) struggling in the third tier of English football, b) incapable of drawing an audience to fill its existing small ground, and, c) barely able to finance its operations from year to year. No bank would approve loans on that prospectus, even without the present national and global difficulties. Because the Falmer stadium has no collateral housing or commercial potential it was a dubious financial and operational case from the outset, and the financing arguments put at the planning stage were worthless, as they always are. The stadium will not go ahead unless it is entirely government or local government funded, and what we need now is some long delayed honesty from the club and the city council.

Dick Knight and Martin Perry best prey that a massive ancient Badgers set is found on the site, and building will HAVE to be delayed by 125 years at least.

I actually dont care either way if it is built or not, I just hate seeing people deny the facts or the obvious, and the obvious is:

Let me spell it out one more time :

THIS STADIUM WILL NEVER BE BUILT REPEAT NEVER!!!

william of orange wrote:

So if a bunch of football supporters can get what is esentially taxpayers money to support their hobby do you think I could get taxpayers money to support mine??

I like sex...it's nice....it's enjoyable...it's educational (sex education) so can I tap into the education budget and get a brothel built at Falmer please?

Its likely to be more profitable than the Seagulls will EVER be and "the games" at the brothel will be a darn sight more enjoyable!

So please support me in the Brothel For Falmer Campaign (BFFC) by signing the online petition at

www.iwannabrothelatf

almer.co.uk

and remember to ask your councillor to support us as well...oh and tell him Talulah says "hi" and that she's still got the negatives.

What do we want?...a brothel for Falmer...when do we want it? Now!

If we can get at least 6 signatures then under this Government we are guaranteed a handout!

Ridiculous isn't it...but then so is building a stadium with what is essentially taxpayers money just so we can support someones hobby!

Get your thieving hands out of my wallet!

I was so disappointed that your website doesn't exist! I was all ready to sign up to something truly worthwhile...
Better than watching a spade go into some soil on the 17th Dec, and wondering in 10 years time -'whatever did happen to the plans for that stadium at Falmer?'

Arther Daley wrote:

toujaty wrote: Once again, I hear the sound of whistling in the dark here from football fans about the Falmer Stadium. Those who heard the statements from the two football club spokesmen, Messrs Knight and Perry, a few weeks ago will know that despite their forced optimism, funding for the stadium has not been secured. There is no possibility of a financial institution providing many tens of millions of pounds to a football club that is: a) struggling in the third tier of English football, b) incapable of drawing an audience to fill its existing small ground, and, c) barely able to finance its operations from year to year. No bank would approve loans on that prospectus, even without the present national and global difficulties. Because the Falmer stadium has no collateral housing or commercial potential it was a dubious financial and operational case from the outset, and the financing arguments put at the planning stage were worthless, as they always are. The stadium will not go ahead unless it is entirely government or local government funded, and what we need now is some long delayed honesty from the club and the city council.

Dick Knight and Martin Perry best prey that a massive ancient Badgers set is found on the site, and building will HAVE to be delayed by 125 years at least. I actually dont care either way if it is built or not, I just hate seeing people deny the facts or the obvious, and the obvious is: Let me spell it out one more time : THIS STADIUM WILL NEVER BE BUILT REPEAT NEVER!!!

Arthur the foundations of your argument are made of sand (again). You are so bitter it's silly...We all know it will happen...if you and your ilk want to bury your heads in the sand so be it...Pathetic really.

SEAGULLS!!!

They may start doing something there on the 17thDec08,but they will never build a football ground now.D.K. & Mr,Perry to make a lot of money very soon i think.

zamo28 wrote:
They may start doing something there on the 17thDec08,but they will never build a football ground now.D.K. & Mr,Perry to make a lot of money very soon i think.

If you say so Zamo..if you say so.

100% they will call this in yet again and the club know it.

A brothel would be cheaper to build!

STOP-PRESS, with the credit crunch and the fact the results have been awful to say the least, the club is dying on its A*rse. Yesterday only 245 away fans bothered travelling at all , and the total crowd was a mere 4000 supporters.

william of orange wrote:

A brothel would be cheaper to build!

And far more fun - and better attended than a B&H Albion match according to Mr Daley's last post!

Arther Daley wrote:

toujaty wrote:
Once again, I hear the sound of whistling in the dark here from football fans about the Falmer Stadium. Those who heard the statements from the two football club spokesmen, Messrs Knight and Perry, a few weeks ago will know that despite their forced optimism, funding for the stadium has not been secured. There is no possibility of a financial institution providing many tens of millions of pounds to a football club that is: a) struggling in the third tier of English football, b) incapable of drawing an audience to fill its existing small ground, and, c) barely able to finance its operations from year to year. No bank would approve loans on that prospectus, even without the present national and global difficulties. Because the Falmer stadium has no collateral housing or commercial potential it was a dubious financial and operational case from the outset, and the financing arguments put at the planning stage were worthless, as they always are. The stadium will not go ahead unless it is entirely government or local government funded, and what we need now is some long delayed honesty from the club and the city council.

Dick Knight and Martin Perry best prey that a massive ancient Badgers set is found on the site, and building will HAVE to be delayed by 125 years at least.

I actually dont care either way if it is built or not, I just hate seeing people deny the facts or the obvious, and the obvious is:

Let me spell it out one more time :

THIS STADIUM WILL NEVER BE BUILT REPEAT NEVER!!!

Maybe before you trying spelling something out you could learn to spell ? I'll leave you to work out your mistake as you're such a smug git !

zamo28 wrote:
100% they will call this in yet again and the club know it.

Which just goes to show how little you know about the process. It CAN'T be called in - the Government have already stated it CAN be built - this is just a small alteration to the design. I would have thought with a username like yours you were a supporter but clearly not.

Sergeant Chisholm wrote:

Arther Daley wrote:

toujaty wrote: Once again, I hear the sound of whistling in the dark here from football fans about the Falmer Stadium. Those who heard the statements from the two football club spokesmen, Messrs Knight and Perry, a few weeks ago will know that despite their forced optimism, funding for the stadium has not been secured. There is no possibility of a financial institution providing many tens of millions of pounds to a football club that is: a) struggling in the third tier of English football, b) incapable of drawing an audience to fill its existing small ground, and, c) barely able to finance its operations from year to year. No bank would approve loans on that prospectus, even without the present national and global difficulties. Because the Falmer stadium has no collateral housing or commercial potential it was a dubious financial and operational case from the outset, and the financing arguments put at the planning stage were worthless, as they always are. The stadium will not go ahead unless it is entirely government or local government funded, and what we need now is some long delayed honesty from the club and the city council.

Dick Knight and Martin Perry best prey that a massive ancient Badgers set is found on the site, and building will HAVE to be delayed by 125 years at least. I actually dont care either way if it is built or not, I just hate seeing people deny the facts or the obvious, and the obvious is: Let me spell it out one more time : THIS STADIUM WILL NEVER BE BUILT REPEAT NEVER!!!

Maybe before you trying spelling something out you could learn to spell ? I'll leave you to work out your mistake as you're such a smug git !

I keep telling people, I can spell, but my fat chipolata fingers press the wrong keys occasionally. In any event my message gets through, after all it god rid of a character called whatithink, and annoys the hell out of Nowayseriously,Regin
aldo and thats good enough for me.

Why I even have a poster called Sgt Chisholm my old adversary on Minder (last screened in 1994)

Whilst there is speculation about the finances, B&HCC have apparently handed the site over in its entirety to the club. This means they must think the funding is 100% in place. Don't also forget that this is millions of £ worth of FREE land. Basically, the club have no cash and very low gates. For political reasons, the taxpayer will end up subsidising this stadium to an enormous degree, for customers hardly even from B&H itself.

It is worth reading the Falmer PC submission on this latest revised plan. Hospitality has tripled within the building, and the design has changed substantially. As was always feared, this whole thing has been a political carve up from start to finish, and has finally destroyed what little faith I ever had in politicians both local and national.

What bothers me - and I'm surprised it doesn't seem to bother fans more - is that all anyone has wanted to know since the day planning permission was given is how it is going to be funded. Dick etc can't be ignorant that this is a concern for people and yet they stay silent on it.

Why?

Arther Daley wrote:
Trust me, this stadium will NOT be built quickly, reasons: 1) we are in the beginnings of a deep recession 2)We are ina credit crunch - banks wont lend 3) Most crucially, the business plan is flawed. B&H A are a small club near the bottom of a lower league, they will not generate a quarter of the revenue they need to make this stadium pay, banks if they were lending money, will run a mile from this 'proposition'

I have to disagree with you there, banks are lending - if they are receiving bailout money from the government as planned, there is no way the CEO's are going to be able to make their risk policy more prudent - its the essentially the people's money. The business plan may be flawed, but the stadium itself will be used as collateral, and they will see the stadium as having a long term positive Net Present Value, given that it can be used for other events in addition to the 25 or so games played there each season.

william of orange wrote:
So if a bunch of football supporters can get what is esentially taxpayers money to support their hobby do you think I could get taxpayers money to support mine?? I like sex...it's nice....it's enjoyable...it's educational (sex education) so can I tap into the education budget and get a brothel built at Falmer please? Its likely to be more profitable than the Seagulls will EVER be and "the games" at the brothel will be a darn sight more enjoyable! So please support me in the Brothel For Falmer Campaign (BFFC) by signing the online petition at www.iwannabrothelatf almer.co.uk and remember to ask your councillor to support us as well...oh and tell him Talulah says "hi" and that she's still got the negatives. What do we want?...a brothel for Falmer...when do we want it? Now! If we can get at least 6 signatures then under this Government we are guaranteed a handout! Ridiculous isn't it...but then so is building a stadium with what is essentially taxpayers money just so we can support someones hobby! Get your thieving hands out of my wallet!

that comment is both the least funny and biggest waste of time i have experienced in the whole of today.

a_ j95, bn2 is a very hopeful football fan and good luck to him or her. The reality is somewhere else. Let’s say the football club manage to solicit one-half of the build cost in grants and lottery money or whatever – a figure at the top end of any possibilities. So that’s £30 million spoken for and £30 million to find, assuming the project doesn’t overrun. They’ve already done pretty well in getting a land asset given to them by the city’s council tax payers, and £6 million of taxpayers’ money from SEEDA for the roadworks they need, but they can’t expect to get all £60 million given them. So then, a third level English football club that is barely getting by year to year and finds itself unable to fill its present 7,000 seater stadium, with a management board having no track record in finance and major project work, is expecting to finance a minimum of £30 million in loans and bonds and build a major regional stadium on time and on budget. This is an unlikely scenario, and it is wishful thinking to say that the collateral is the finished stadium. The value of the stadium is the revenue it can sustain, and this stadium will not return the revenue to finance its cost, and even if it could be done, what cash would the mortgages on the income leave to finance a football team of any quality? I can’t understand the city council’s position on this and why they are allowing a start on what is our land, when they must know there is no viable funding plan. As I said before, it is time for some honesty here.