Argus won't be gagged in stand on Brighton and Hove parking charges

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Business owners have criticised the Green Party for an attack on The Argus over parking charges.

Firms branded the posting on the official blog of the Brighton and Hove Green Party – which accused this newspaper of ‘running down’ the city – as “a slap in the face for traders”.

One business person said: “The Greens have got a cheek to say The Argus is running down businesses. It is their parking prices that are causing the problems.”

The posting on the Green Light blog referred to our Park The Charges campaign which we launched in the wake of hikes in parking tariffs in Brighton and Hove and numerous calls from traders.

We are calling on Green-led Brighton and Hove City Council to review the increases, to consult with residents and businesses and then decide what changes need to be made for the good of the city.

The blog, with the headline ‘Parking packed in Brighton’, said that Madeira Drive was busy during Saturday afternoon and featured pictures of cars parked along the stretch.

The Greens have got a cheek to say The Argus is running down businesses. It is their parking prices that are causing the problems

Elly Trimingham, manager of Yellowave in Madeira Drive

It was in response to a feature last Friday which showed pictures of Madeira Drive over two days, revealing empty parking spaces.

The blog said: “So we call on The Argus, please, to stop its negative campaigning: stop trying to run down our city and its hard-working businesses.

“Instead why not work with the Greens, the council and the tourist bodies to promote the great things Brighton and Hove offers.

“Meanwhile, please, when it comes to Park The Charges, it’s time to copy Madeira Drive last weekend and Pack it in.”

'Constructive debate'

Council leader Jason Kitcat stood by the blog yesterday (May 23), saying that he felt the parking discussion had become polarised in recent weeks.

He said he agreed the debate could be “more constructive on all sides, including the media, politicians and others”.

But traders said the attack on The Argus was an attack on businesses.

Claire Ottewell, chairwoman of the Brighton and Hove Tourism Alliance, said: “We applaud The Argus for its initiative in highlighting the parking charges.

“The newspaper is giving voice to traders’ concerns. The blog from the Green Party attacking The Argus is a slap in the face for traders.”

Elly Trimingham, manager of Yellowave in Madeira Drive, said the parking bays have never been full during the current hot spell.

She said: “The Greens have got a cheek to say The Argus is running down businesses.

"It is their parking prices that are causing the problems.

“I have been told by customers with children that they will not come down to the area any more because they simply cannot afford to park here.”

Elliott Raggio, boss at maintenance company On Tap, said it was almost a joke for the Green Party to attack The Argus.

He said: “They need to eat their words. It is the Greens who will not listen. "They have failed to take on board the concerns of businesses.

"We are still angry with the council over the parking hikes and we will not go away.”

Business concerns

Simon Kirby, MP for Brighton Kemptown, said the council should pay heed to the campaign.

He said: “The Argus should not drop its campaign on parking charges.

"Local residents and businesses are very concerned that the Greens have got this wrong, want the council to listen to some common sense and reverse these outrageous increases.”

Andrew Burnyeat, chairman of the Brighton Business Improvement District, said the campaign must continue.

He said: “It is only right that the council is made aware of the effect of their policies on businesses.

"For the Green Party, of all people, to attempt to suppress the information is disappointing.”

Rachael Hughes, owner of Green Mop in Coleridge Street, Hove, said: “I support green initiatives but with the best will in the world I cannot get on a bus with 36 loo rolls and a Henry Hoover. This strategy does not seem joined up.

“The campaign is not just about parking by the sea but also about trader and business permits which are too expensive.”

Andrew Nichols, chairman of the Hove Business Association, said: “This is about more than parking in Madeira Drive which is only 300 spaces.

"It’s about the effect on businesses right across the city.”

Councillor Kitcat said: “I have some sympathy for the view that some of the speculation and comment (around parking) has been damaging to the city, whatever one thinks of the new charging system, and I think we all need to work better together.

“What’s vital now is to get the information out to visitors about the best places to park and to let the current system bed in properly.”

The Argus Comment

If the comments by the Green Party blog were not so serious they would be laughable.

Let’s be clear. The Argus did not initiate this. What we did was listen to the concerns of local traders.

They told us they were facing some of the most difficult trading conditions they had seen.

They told us about the impact that these new parking charges were having on them and they did not feel that their concerns were being heard.

It was for this reason that we launched our Park The Charges campaign, calling on the council to review the new parking charges across the city with immediate effect.

We totally refute the claim that we have been ‘trying to run down our city and its hard-working businesses’. In fact, the opposite is true. We have supported the traders and given them the platform to raise their concerns.

We did not pretend that our pictures in last Friday’s paper were all the evidence that was needed. They were just a snapshot.

We certainly did not manipulate them to support our campaign.

We take no pleasure in seeing Madeira Drive parking spaces empty. We want to see everywhere full. But traders fear that will not happen with new parking charges. The traders say they have already seen an impact on their businesses.

What The Argus has done is to air those concerns.

We have spoken to many traders who understand what we have done and are angry at the Greens’ attack on us as they felt it was an attack on them.

It is for that reason that today, as we have done over the past few weeks, we continue to call on the council to review these parking charges and to Park The Charges.

The Green blog can criticise us all it likes but we will not be swayed in our determination to speak up for traders who are already feeling the impact on their businesses and fear that their voice is not being heard.

Comments(35)

allykatz says...
12:24pm Thu 24 May 12

Having run a tourism company for 12 years I can assure you parking charges and the over zealous wardens have put people off coming to the city.
The council can say what they like but they are wrong and they don't seem to particularly care either.

hovelawns says...
12:26pm Thu 24 May 12

Excellent work by the Argus. The parking charges are a way for the greens to implement their high spending idealistic policies. All they can see is a way of pulling cash in, after they were unable to raise council tax.
That will come next time.
If they want to reduce car usage there are many ways to do it. Providing attractive alternative services is one of them. Having all traffic come through the heart of the city to car parks off the promenade is ludicrous.

s&k says...
12:28pm Thu 24 May 12

I'm sure very high parkign charges could put visitors off but it's very rare to see Madeira Drive that empty - unless it's a rainy sunday in November.

Charismatic Andrew says...
12:41pm Thu 24 May 12

I'm confused. The Green Party are on record as saying the increased parking charges are a way of reducing congestion, improving air quality and increasing the use of sustainable transport. Yet their Blog seems to be boasting about the fact that their photos prove this policy has been a failure. They can't have it both ways.

jamus77 says...
12:44pm Thu 24 May 12

Oh ffs.

Traders are just looking for an excuse. Once upon a time we all felt rich and spent lots of money on over-priced middle-class tat. Now we all feel a bit skint, and worry for our jobs, so we prefer to save our money, rather than buy a lot of over-priced middle-class tat. It's called a recession.

You might argue that hiking parking fees isn't very helpful at this time, but you're kidding yourself if you think its the cause of your problems.

It makes me laugh; on the one hand, Brighton likes to compare itself with Barcelona and talks about its 'world famous' The Lanes, and on the other hand baulks at 'high' parking fees, that would be standard in any other so-called world-class city.

The beach - the nearest to London - is arguably Brighton and Hove's most famous attraction. Being able to park yards away - all day - SHOULD be bloody extortionate!

jub says...
12:45pm Thu 24 May 12

simple logic - in my opinion - says, increased parking charges equates to lower parking/usage resulting in reduced visitor footfall. In turn fewer visitors will result in reduced business trade and local income. All of these elements lead to an overall loss of available revenue for the council as businesses cease to trade making the city less attractive to the visitor (and resident) - consequence? increased council tax to subsidise the very Green apprentices practicing for proper jobs when they are eventually fired.

HJarrs says...
12:49pm Thu 24 May 12

Hold the press; "Argus spits dummy out because it is critised on an internal blog shocker". So what. The Argus seems too often to go for headline grabbing and it is certainly showing continuing bias against the Greens. This is a shame as the Argus does have some good campaigning articles and I am also not convinced the parking charges are justified.

jamus77 says...
12:52pm Thu 24 May 12

jub wrote:
simple logic - in my opinion - says, increased parking charges equates to lower parking/usage resulting in reduced visitor footfall. In turn fewer visitors will result in reduced business trade and local income. All of these elements lead to an overall loss of available revenue for the council as businesses cease to trade making the city less attractive to the visitor (and resident) - consequence? increased council tax to subsidise the very Green apprentices practicing for proper jobs when they are eventually fired.
Like you say 'simple logic'.

Serenus Zeitblom says...
1:12pm Thu 24 May 12

The fact is, the Argus got found out. It published pictures taken at a quiet time of day and tried to build a wholly dishonest story about the impact of changes in parking charges. Bad, sloppy tendentious journalism from a paper no longer managed locally or locally accountable, with a local circulation declining to the point of invisibility, and which has replaced political reporting with topping and tailing Mike Weatherley's press releases.

No surprises that the Argus reacts to being found out with bluster and empty rhetoric.

Goldenwight says...
1:17pm Thu 24 May 12

Argus won't be gagged on parking charges?

Well, what WOULD it take to stop the paper harping on about an issue which the overall majority of its readers couldn't care less about?

leobrighton says...
1:25pm Thu 24 May 12

Well the weather certainly made a difference. Madeira Drive was packed with cars parked yesterday evening.

taman says...
1:49pm Thu 24 May 12

The photo at the top showing marine parade empty is coal on the fire for the greens they love it its what they want its in there DNA.. bravo to the Argus !... and to rub salt in the wound ,todays headline
FREE PARKING PERMITS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. it beggers belief

MarkBrighton says...
1:55pm Thu 24 May 12

The greens are dogmatic. Global issues like car use cant be tackled on a local basis. You want people to use their cars less.. good.. but you cant just carry that out in Brighton because people will just go somewhere else to avoid the high charges. The greens are trying to fight a global battle at a local level, again its a bit naive I'm afraid. Listen to the the local businesses.. they are the lifeblood of the city..

Excessive car use has to be tackled nationally (and already is inadvertantly by rising fuel costs)

It is looking like the greens were better off as a minority party, having a green influence on the council is a good idea.. but the greens running the council ? Not gone well has it?

Lucky7 says...
1:59pm Thu 24 May 12

jamus77 wrote:
Oh ffs.

Traders are just looking for an excuse. Once upon a time we all felt rich and spent lots of money on over-priced middle-class tat. Now we all feel a bit skint, and worry for our jobs, so we prefer to save our money, rather than buy a lot of over-priced middle-class tat. It's called a recession.

You might argue that hiking parking fees isn't very helpful at this time, but you're kidding yourself if you think its the cause of your problems.

It makes me laugh; on the one hand, Brighton likes to compare itself with Barcelona and talks about its 'world famous' The Lanes, and on the other hand baulks at 'high' parking fees, that would be standard in any other so-called world-class city.

The beach - the nearest to London - is arguably Brighton and Hove's most famous attraction. Being able to park yards away - all day - SHOULD be bloody extortionate!
By no means are the parking charges the cause of "our" problems, but (as a trader, and one that has met successive administrations to try and improve the business here) it is resulting in less visitors. As a result the smart small business won't be paying for a pitch on the seafront, The Lanes or North Laine when they can get rid of their lease or it comes to the end of its term. It is just cost on cost when we see less and less revenue. That's fine. We've planned for our (costly) demise when out lease is up, and thankfully we're still young and gifted enough to carry on doing something else. But once all you've got in the centre is down market tat and copy cat coffee shops please don't wish for anything else as it'll be too late.

Dizd says...
2:03pm Thu 24 May 12

Mid mornig of the Saturday before last we went along to Hove Lawns for coffee. Along the parking spaces on the south side of the road there were only 2 spaces used -both of those were blue badge holders. Looking at the charges we were not surprised the bays were empty. What is the council going to do to raise lost revenues. Also while there are road works for so called traffic calming doesn't anyone take on board that the queues of traffic at temp lights only create a major concentration of fumes in residential areas. There going to be increase in hospital visits as a result of breathing in the fumes?

fred clause says...
2:03pm Thu 24 May 12

Still the most expensive seaside town parking in the country well done Greens you must be so proud of yourselves.

Ballroom Blitz says...
2:11pm Thu 24 May 12

One can argue about the detail of all of this, but as someone who works in a shop in the Lanes, I can tell you that I hear complaints about the parking charges on a daily basis for customers.
Now, you can argue this way and that, but I can tell you that there are empty parking spaces where there didn't used to be any, and that the more expensive car parks are now half empty most of the time.
So make of that what you will - but it seems to me that that Greens have got what they wanted: less cars in the city. Unfortunately as a direct result - there are also less PEOPLE visiting our city.
There is no alternative park and ride, and even if there was, how would you get a family with all the beach gear, or with a load of shopping, onto a bus?
The Greens have not thought it through, and they should own up to that fact and apologise to those of us trying to make a living in the city, in these very difficult times.

allykatz says...
2:20pm Thu 24 May 12

jamus77 wrote:
Oh ffs.

Traders are just looking for an excuse. Once upon a time we all felt rich and spent lots of money on over-priced middle-class tat. Now we all feel a bit skint, and worry for our jobs, so we prefer to save our money, rather than buy a lot of over-priced middle-class tat. It's called a recession.

You might argue that hiking parking fees isn't very helpful at this time, but you're kidding yourself if you think its the cause of your problems.

It makes me laugh; on the one hand, Brighton likes to compare itself with Barcelona and talks about its 'world famous' The Lanes, and on the other hand baulks at 'high' parking fees, that would be standard in any other so-called world-class city.

The beach - the nearest to London - is arguably Brighton and Hove's most famous attraction. Being able to park yards away - all day - SHOULD be bloody extortionate!
So what is Brighton? A city that wants to take itself seriously attract business, jobs and compete with other seafront cities or a seaside resort for beery Londoners at the weekend?

Not finding serious solutions to parking other than hiking prices to visitors is bad judgement, bad planning, bad policy and just plain lazy. Businesses pay rates to the council in the hope they will do their bit in attracting people to the city to aid their businesses, they don't, instead they just find more ways to try and make money out of them.

Joshiman says...
2:40pm Thu 24 May 12

Friends and family normally come to Brighton for long weekends.Not any more.Very bad decision by the Greens.Parking in Worthing/Eastbourne is a fraction of our charges.The Greens want B&H to be a car free zone.Bye bye visitors.

Archie Bun says...
3:17pm Thu 24 May 12

Good old Argus never shying away from a story. Unless that story involves the Argus staff going on strike.

The Baron Pepperpot says...
3:18pm Thu 24 May 12

Serenus Zeitblom wrote:
The fact is, the Argus got found out. It published pictures taken at a quiet time of day and tried to build a wholly dishonest story about the impact of changes in parking charges. Bad, sloppy tendentious journalism from a paper no longer managed locally or locally accountable, with a local circulation declining to the point of invisibility, and which has replaced political reporting with topping and tailing Mike Weatherley's press releases.

No surprises that the Argus reacts to being found out with bluster and empty rhetoric.
The above, saved me the keyboard time.

greenhousedani says...
4:03pm Thu 24 May 12

Clearly, everyone taking pictures of the parking spaces on the seafront when they are empty/full (depending on your point of view) is not going to provide accurate data for the council to judge the impact of the policy.

People's anecdotes about what their customers/friends/ne
ighbours are saying isn't actually data either.

This report on traders' perceptions of how their customers travel, however, is very interesting and relevant research: http://www.sustrans.
org.uk/assets/files/
liveable%20neighbour
hoods/Shoppers%20inf
o%20sheet%20-%20LN02
.pdf

Researchers found, in two separate studies, that retailers greatly overestimated the proportion of their customers who arrived by car, and the distance they had travelled.

Since the new parking charges were only introduced at the start of April, there won't be much real data available yet, so the council is sensibly waiting until later in the year to do a review. Maybe we should all just shut up and see what the evidence shows.

bogs says...
4:23pm Thu 24 May 12

People's anecdotes about what their customers/friends/ne

ighbours are saying isn't actually data either.
No, its not data, its the truth, from what I have seen and heard. Still, Plenty of space for me to park my big 4x4 and no traffic jams along Hove seafront travelling into town eastbound! Nice.

PJW Brighton says...
4:27pm Thu 24 May 12

I've read your articles and the Green Party blog. There are some interesting points in both, but I'm confused by your headline. Who is trying to gagg the Argus? For the Greens to say your photographs were wrong or misleading is not an attempt to gagg you. It is called open debate.

Dealing with idiots says...
4:29pm Thu 24 May 12

greenhousedani wrote:
Clearly, everyone taking pictures of the parking spaces on the seafront when they are empty/full (depending on your point of view) is not going to provide accurate data for the council to judge the impact of the policy. People's anecdotes about what their customers/friends/ne ighbours are saying isn't actually data either. This report on traders' perceptions of how their customers travel, however, is very interesting and relevant research: http://www.sustrans. org.uk/assets/files/ liveable%20neighbour hoods/Shoppers%20inf o%20sheet%20-%20LN02 .pdf Researchers found, in two separate studies, that retailers greatly overestimated the proportion of their customers who arrived by car, and the distance they had travelled. Since the new parking charges were only introduced at the start of April, there won't be much real data available yet, so the council is sensibly waiting until later in the year to do a review. Maybe we should all just shut up and see what the evidence shows.
Carry on greens, every new and nutty idea makes you more and more unelectable. You can't keep the two by elections secret for much longer. Poor Phelim.

islingword says...
4:38pm Thu 24 May 12

Everyone moaning about the cost of parking now had better get used to it; the cost of keeping a car is only going to get higher because - guess what - petrol is a finite resource, and it's running out. Visitors to Brighton can come by train. People who live in Brighton can walk, ride a bike or get the bus. The Greens' policy of raising parking charges is a way to get some extra revenue in to make up for the shortfall caused by the Tory/Lib Dem cuts. If you don't like the cuts, you should not have voted for the Tories.

onedaytheleftwillburn says...
5:18pm Thu 24 May 12

What??? - I thought the Argus was run by the green party??? - news to me.

Flippin Burghers says...
5:45pm Thu 24 May 12

What's all the fuss about? So what if the Greens say The Argus talks rubbish? A lot of Argus readers say that too.

Nick-! says...
6:05pm Thu 24 May 12

I can't understand what the issue is. Increase parking charges in Brighton is great for Eastbourne and Hastings!

I used to shop in Brighton, I don't anymore. You are naive if you think there aren't many like me.

jamesbandenburg says...
6:28pm Thu 24 May 12

islingword wrote:
Everyone moaning about the cost of parking now had better get used to it; the cost of keeping a car is only going to get higher because - guess what - petrol is a finite resource, and it's running out. Visitors to Brighton can come by train. People who live in Brighton can walk, ride a bike or get the bus. The Greens' policy of raising parking charges is a way to get some extra revenue in to make up for the shortfall caused by the Tory/Lib Dem cuts. If you don't like the cuts, you should not have voted for the Tories.
If petrol is a finite resource, (which it definitely is, I'm not arguing that!) surely there is no more idiotic use for it than driving a car around looking for somewhere to stop it? How much petrol do you think has been used recently by people pulling up to park in Brighton, taking a look at the charges and getting back in and driving somewhere else?

bug eye says...
6:51pm Thu 24 May 12

Great, Brighton and hove will finally only attract the rich and its great to find a place to park easily, and without old citroen saxos and vauxhall astras clogging up the seafront. when is the sign going up twinned with monte carlo.

Maxwell's Ghost says...
7:09pm Thu 24 May 12

Greens equal inequality. The charges still enable the rich and people like me to claim against business for parking.
Stuff the poor. They can't even get their council homes repaired, but don't worry they're getting solar panels.

Idontbelieveit1948 says...
8:58pm Thu 24 May 12

islingword wrote:
Everyone moaning about the cost of parking now had better get used to it; the cost of keeping a car is only going to get higher because - guess what - petrol is a finite resource, and it's running out. Visitors to Brighton can come by train. People who live in Brighton can walk, ride a bike or get the bus. The Greens' policy of raising parking charges is a way to get some extra revenue in to make up for the shortfall caused by the Tory/Lib Dem cuts. If you don't like the cuts, you should not have voted for the Tories.
Trains and buses use fuel too you know so those charges will also get higher. The Greens policy of raising parking charges will be self defeating as if no one parks no one pays.

You also seem to know little about government spending it isn't reducing it just isn't increasing as much as the lefties would like but then lefties never did understand economics very well hence the state we are in after dear Gordon and his band of idiots.

Still on the positive side no one other than the bearded weirdies and sandal wearing brigade is likely to vote Green again.

cancelaccount says...
2:00pm Fri 25 May 12

Brighton is part of a green policy (ies) experiment, we are but guinea pigs and untiln they are voted out we will continue to suffer from their outlandish and quite ridiculous ideas.. The car parking debacle is to try and get back to their old 'green' credentials as they have srayed away in selling themselves to other minority groups and causes (to up their vote).

Dealing with idiots says...
2:14pm Fri 25 May 12

On one hand we need to fight these idiots on all fronts. But another part of me says 'keep digging chaps'. As they lurch from one debacle to another the people of Brighton and Hove realise quite what monster they have unleashed. Let us hope that our beloved town survives these leftie vandals. I'm sure it will but at what cost to jobs?

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