Row breaks out over Brighton Smash EDO protest at Jubilee (From The Argus)

davyboy wrote:
you notice that there dont appear to be any protests at any other so-called arms factories. that is because a visit to EDO is a jolly to the seaside, and nothing more.

stir up wrote:
So close the factory and put more people out of work. Not sure but probably most of the protestors are unemployed, so do not like to see others with jobs. Where do these type of people think they would be if they had got the factories during the last war to stop building planes and guns. If any of them do work I suppose they want to protest at this time as it means they will not have to take time off work over the bank holidays.
It is also very likely if arms had not been produced in the 40's we would only have one political party in power the others all having been banned, I suppose the one benifit apart from the horror of the idea of having lost the last war, is that there would be no green party.

gaz scott wrote:

stir up wrote:
So close the factory and put more people out of work. Not sure but probably most of the protestors are unemployed, so do not like to see others with jobs. Where do these type of people think they would be if they had got the factories during the last war to stop building planes and guns. If any of them do work I suppose they want to protest at this time as it means they will not have to take time off work over the bank holidays.
It is also very likely if arms had not been produced in the 40's we would only have one political party in power the others all having been banned, I suppose the one benifit apart from the horror of the idea of having lost the last war, is that there would be no green party.

I do wonder if EDO would have sold arms to the Israelis in the 40s as they do now. The Israelis would have killed many more British if they had. But local jobs would have been secure making some people happy!

These idiots have now made it much more likely that disruption will occur since many people will now believe that this march is about the monarchy rather than arms dealers. The Conservatives are bonkers.

hursthill wrote:
It didn't take long for a moron to crawl out of the woodwork & attack Israel, well done gaz scott.
Why didn't you mention the following countries who have killed British soldiers - Argentina, Ireland, Kenya, Yemen , libya, Cyprus, Italy, Germany, Pakistan etc etc.
The fact is Israel is a fellow democracy. I don't know if EDO supply Israel, but Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself against hamas firing rockets into residential areas.
Most smash edo protestors are gay, & they should be aware how many gay Palestinians are killed & persecuted in gaza, & end up taking refuge in Israel.
Lets hope the smash edo protest fizzles out like their previous attempts & Brighton can enjoy the Bank holiday in peace.

gaz scott wrote:

hursthill wrote:
It didn't take long for a moron to crawl out of the woodwork & attack Israel, well done gaz scott.
Why didn't you mention the following countries who have killed British soldiers - Argentina, Ireland, Kenya, Yemen , libya, Cyprus, Italy, Germany, Pakistan etc etc.
The fact is Israel is a fellow democracy. I don't know if EDO supply Israel, but Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself against hamas firing rockets into residential areas.
Most smash edo protestors are gay, & they should be aware how many gay Palestinians are killed & persecuted in gaza, & end up taking refuge in Israel.
Lets hope the smash edo protest fizzles out like their previous attempts & Brighton can enjoy the Bank holiday in peace.

I'm not sure which of those countries in your list EDO sell arms to - maybe you can clarify that. But as they seemed to advertise on their site that they've sold to Israel I felt sure I was on firmer ground.

"Most EDO protesters are gay"? Really? I'll have to take your word for that, my "gaydar" is obviously not as finely tuned as yours.

HJarrs wrote:
While this is a bit of a non-story I had to laugh at Councillor Janio's comments... he has no conflict of interest because his job is teaching people to fix flight simulators, not making arms.

He said: “We make flight simulators, we also make military flight simulators, but they don’t harm people.

“The worst thing a simulator can do to somebody is if it fell on them.

“We basically make a non-lethal product that teaches people to fly, whether they are military or civil.”

If you make a military simulator you are training people to kill, plain and simple. Maybe that killing is for a reasonable purpose like defending the UK or it maybe for an unsavoury regime. In either case, you can't come the argument that they are not part of a system to cause harm to people. Far from it, they are an integral part of delivering airborne ordinance.

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh

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gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh


ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ


ished/C00000117/M000


03267/AI00020113/$It


em91cNM03GrnGrpAmend


02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea


rch=%22smash%20edo%2


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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Fight Back wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
While this is a bit of a non-story I had to laugh at Councillor Janio's comments... he has no conflict of interest because his job is teaching people to fix flight simulators, not making arms.

He said: “We make flight simulators, we also make military flight simulators, but they don’t harm people.

“The worst thing a simulator can do to somebody is if it fell on them.

“We basically make a non-lethal product that teaches people to fly, whether they are military or civil.”

If you make a military simulator you are training people to kill, plain and simple. Maybe that killing is for a reasonable purpose like defending the UK or it maybe for an unsavoury regime. In either case, you can't come the argument that they are not part of a system to cause harm to people. Far from it, they are an integral part of delivering airborne ordinance.

Because transport planes, re-fuelling planes, spy planes and search and rescue helicopters kill soooooo many people. Typical simplistic Green fool !

hursthill wrote:
It didn't take long for a moron to crawl out of the woodwork & attack Israel, well done gaz scott.
Why didn't you mention the following countries who have killed British soldiers - Argentina, Ireland, Kenya, Yemen , libya, Cyprus, Italy, Germany, Pakistan etc etc.
The fact is Israel is a fellow democracy. I don't know if EDO supply Israel, but Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself against hamas firing rockets into residential areas.
Most smash edo protestors are gay, & they should be aware how many gay Palestinians are killed & persecuted in gaza, & end up taking refuge in Israel.
Lets hope the smash edo protest fizzles out like their previous attempts & Brighton can enjoy the Bank holiday in peace.

george smith wrote:
what are Ben Duncans green views on Iran alleged desire to Nuke Israel off the planet?

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh


ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ


ished/C00000117/M000


03267/AI00020113/$It


em91cNM03GrnGrpAmend


02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea


rch=%22smash%20edo%2


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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Ashles wrote:
I suppose you have to try everything once. If only to see how terrible it really is.

deve wrote:
We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

deve wrote:
We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

zrfau wrote:
deve

Who appointed you spokesperson for all decent and respectable people? Yourself?

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote: What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

deve wrote:
We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

zrfau wrote:
deve

Who appointed you spokesperson for all decent and respectable people? Yourself?

zrfau and gazzer scott - bright they're not!

You clearly have deep rooted issues, probably compounded by life in isolation in bedsit land so why not go somewhere else?

In the interim stop embarrassing yourselves and insulting other readers with the nonsense you seem to insist on posting here.

Pair of wasters!

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh



ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ



ished/C00000117/M000



03267/AI00020113/$It



em91cNM03GrnGrpAmend



02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea



rch=%22smash%20edo%2



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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

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HJarrs wrote:

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

Some grip on reallity you have. 100 students! There were several hundred activist on the streets on the last local and national elections getting the vote out alone. You are one of the many that dislike that the Green party is a local party and comes from the local community seeking something beyond the moribund national parties. A lot of people in B&H voted Green despite not being backed by national newspapers, mega rich donors or Trade Unions. You should be proud that the people of this city can be different.

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

Some grip on reallity you have. 100 students! There were several hundred activist on the streets on the last local and national elections getting the vote out alone. You are one of the many that dislike that the Green party is a local party and comes from the local community seeking something beyond the moribund national parties. A lot of people in B&H voted Green despite not being backed by national newspapers, mega rich donors or Trade Unions. You should be proud that the people of this city can be different.

I do not, as you claim, dislike the Green party because it is a local party; I dislike the Greens because a) the crap that they come out with regarding UFO research centres and building radio telescopes to listen for aliens 2) their obsession with the 'rights' of travellers, whichs stops Environmet Agency workers like myself sampling at some sites (we have been warned by the Police that travellers have been firing air guns at EA workers) 3) I dislike the Greens because Caroline Lucas is a member of the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration group (very environmentally-frie

ndly, mass immigration...) 4) I dislike the Greens because Lucas has also said publicly on many occasions that jails should be abolished and that all criminals are victims of society. 5) I dislike the Greens because Mrs Kitcat stated in public that Brighton residents are inbred; she received no castigation from her party for making this statement.

Finally, I dislike the Greens because they are a bunch of incompetent Marxist loons who just NEVER get anything right

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote: What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

Some grip on reallity you have. 100 students! There were several hundred activist on the streets on the last local and national elections getting the vote out alone. You are one of the many that dislike that the Green party is a local party and comes from the local community seeking something beyond the moribund national parties. A lot of people in B&H voted Green despite not being backed by national newspapers, mega rich donors or Trade Unions. You should be proud that the people of this city can be different.

I do not, as you claim, dislike the Green party because it is a local party; I dislike the Greens because a) the crap that they come out with regarding UFO research centres and building radio telescopes to listen for aliens 2) their obsession with the 'rights' of travellers, whichs stops Environmet Agency workers like myself sampling at some sites (we have been warned by the Police that travellers have been firing air guns at EA workers) 3) I dislike the Greens because Caroline Lucas is a member of the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration group (very environmentally-frie ndly, mass immigration...) 4) I dislike the Greens because Lucas has also said publicly on many occasions that jails should be abolished and that all criminals are victims of society. 5) I dislike the Greens because Mrs Kitcat stated in public that Brighton residents are inbred; she received no castigation from her party for making this statement. Finally, I dislike the Greens because they are a bunch of incompetent Marxist loons who just NEVER get anything right

zrfau wrote:
deve

Who appointed you spokesperson for all decent and respectable people? Yourself?

AmboGuy wrote:

zrfau wrote:
deve

Who appointed you spokesperson for all decent and respectable people? Yourself?

And who appointed you spokesperson for all the misguided and thuggish protesters? Yourself?

Listen to the people from Brighton, WE DON'T WANT YOU HEAR. Why don't you protest outside the Israeli embassy in London instead?

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh




ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ




ished/C00000117/M000




03267/AI00020113/$It




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02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea




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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

SmashEDOhttp://www.g


uardian.co.uk/commen


tisfree/2012/feb/11/


john-catt-protesting


-civil-liberties?com


mentpage=3#comment-1


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I think we can take JHunty's silence, if it continues, as an admission of guilt. Of course Policemen work odd shifts and long hours so we'll give him a bit more time to respond. Now what's the address of the IPCC...

HJarrs wrote:

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

deltaP wrote: What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

Blame the 100 or so students who voted the Greens into power; don't forget how the Greens were trawling both university campuses before the election, desperate to gain the student vote

Some grip on reallity you have. 100 students! There were several hundred activist on the streets on the last local and national elections getting the vote out alone. You are one of the many that dislike that the Green party is a local party and comes from the local community seeking something beyond the moribund national parties. A lot of people in B&H voted Green despite not being backed by national newspapers, mega rich donors or Trade Unions. You should be proud that the people of this city can be different.

I do not, as you claim, dislike the Green party because it is a local party; I dislike the Greens because a) the crap that they come out with regarding UFO research centres and building radio telescopes to listen for aliens 2) their obsession with the 'rights' of travellers, whichs stops Environmet Agency workers like myself sampling at some sites (we have been warned by the Police that travellers have been firing air guns at EA workers) 3) I dislike the Greens because Caroline Lucas is a member of the 'No Borders' pro-mass immigration group (very environmentally-frie ndly, mass immigration...) 4) I dislike the Greens because Lucas has also said publicly on many occasions that jails should be abolished and that all criminals are victims of society. 5) I dislike the Greens because Mrs Kitcat stated in public that Brighton residents are inbred; she received no castigation from her party for making this statement. Finally, I dislike the Greens because they are a bunch of incompetent Marxist loons who just NEVER get anything right

Ah! the UFO person (we are still waiting for this centre aren't we?). Why do you keep changing your alias?

I haven't got a problem with disliking a political point of view, but you should at least have a little connection with reality.

Marxist loon = Is this a type of trouser worn by Groucho or Chico Marx?

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

zrfau wrote:
deve

Who appointed you spokesperson for all decent and respectable people? Yourself?

And who appointed you spokesperson for all the misguided and thuggish protesters? Yourself?

Listen to the people from Brighton, WE DON'T WANT YOU HEAR. Why don't you protest outside the Israeli embassy in London instead?

I don't think he's suggested he is a spokesman for anyone did he? You'll have to explain that one.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

zrfau wrote:
deve

Who appointed you spokesperson for all decent and respectable people? Yourself?

And who appointed you spokesperson for all the misguided and thuggish protesters? Yourself?

Listen to the people from Brighton, WE DON'T WANT YOU HEAR. Why don't you protest outside the Israeli embassy in London instead?

I don't think he's suggested he is a spokesman for anyone did he? You'll have to explain that one.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh





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ished/C00000117/M000





03267/AI00020113/$It





em91cNM03GrnGrpAmend





02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea





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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

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I think we can take JHunty's silence, if it continues, as an admission of guilt. Of course Policemen work odd shifts and long hours so we'll give him a bit more time to respond. Now what's the address of the IPCC...

I've read this post and I genuinely can't see how it identifies JHunty as a Police Officer. Could you explain how you have come to suspecting this from his post?

gaz scott wrote:
Keep up Ambo. I was replying to your post. You see the dotted boxes, well they list each person's post - just in case you don't get it.

But you seemed to appoint YOURSELF as a spokesman too. The arrogance of the Right.

gaz scott wrote:

stir up wrote: So close the factory and put more people out of work. Not sure but probably most of the protestors are unemployed, so do not like to see others with jobs. Where do these type of people think they would be if they had got the factories during the last war to stop building planes and guns. If any of them do work I suppose they want to protest at this time as it means they will not have to take time off work over the bank holidays. It is also very likely if arms had not been produced in the 40's we would only have one political party in power the others all having been banned, I suppose the one benifit apart from the horror of the idea of having lost the last war, is that there would be no green party.

I do wonder if EDO would have sold arms to the Israelis in the 40s as they do now. The Israelis would have killed many more British if they had. But local jobs would have been secure making some people happy! These idiots have now made it much more likely that disruption will occur since many people will now believe that this march is about the monarchy rather than arms dealers. The Conservatives are bonkers.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh






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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

SmashEDOhttp://www.g




uardian.co.uk/commen




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4608457

I think we can take JHunty's silence, if it continues, as an admission of guilt. Of course Policemen work odd shifts and long hours so we'll give him a bit more time to respond. Now what's the address of the IPCC...

I've read this post and I genuinely can't see how it identifies JHunty as a Police Officer. Could you explain how you have come to suspecting this from his post?

Well JHunty can speak up and deny it can't he.

I have said I'm prepared to be corrected but it does seem he has a lot of information about the campaign and individuals in it as well as Sussex Police. As I point out various people have long suspected this and the fact that he is making allegations of threats to murder and using it to attack the politics of a member of the Police Authority makes it important that the issue is cleared up one way or the other.

And if he feels insulted at being called a policeman I'll even apologise if he convinces us that he's not one.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh







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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

SmashEDOhttp://www.g





uardian.co.uk/commen





tisfree/2012/feb/11/





john-catt-protesting





-civil-liberties?com





mentpage=3#comment-1





4608457

I think we can take JHunty's silence, if it continues, as an admission of guilt. Of course Policemen work odd shifts and long hours so we'll give him a bit more time to respond. Now what's the address of the IPCC...

I've read this post and I genuinely can't see how it identifies JHunty as a Police Officer. Could you explain how you have come to suspecting this from his post?

Well JHunty can speak up and deny it can't he.

I have said I'm prepared to be corrected but it does seem he has a lot of information about the campaign and individuals in it as well as Sussex Police. As I point out various people have long suspected this and the fact that he is making allegations of threats to murder and using it to attack the politics of a member of the Police Authority makes it important that the issue is cleared up one way or the other.

And if he feels insulted at being called a policeman I'll even apologise if he convinces us that he's not one.

Yes but what I'm saying is that maybe you could show the quote he made on this forum and explain which parts identify him as being a police officer.
If you're talking about contacting the IPCC (quite a serious measure) then the least you can do is explain how you've come to this conclusion.

cancelaccount wrote:
my gosh, seems the ill informed dogooders are on a literal rampage!

please beforeyou post agin Gaz Scott get your facts right,your anti israel stance stinks of anti semitism just like the Green party! who by nature are anti semitic! I remember that resident of Brussells stating her solidarity with female suicide bombers, and we votedin this lot..

lets hope the next election is held out of term time!

Edo make a switch that can be used as a triggering device,they do NOT make Bombs!
its like saying Smash westbrooks the fertiliser company because their product can be used in incendiary devices..
DOH!

cancelaccount wrote:
my gosh, seems the ill informed dogooders are on a literal rampage!

please beforeyou post agin Gaz Scott get your facts right,your anti israel stance stinks of anti semitism just like the Green party! who by nature are anti semitic! I remember that resident of Brussells stating her solidarity with female suicide bombers, and we votedin this lot..

lets hope the next election is held out of term time!

Edo make a switch that can be used as a triggering device,they do NOT make Bombs!
its like saying Smash westbrooks the fertiliser company because their product can be used in incendiary devices..
DOH!

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
Keep up Ambo. I was replying to your post. You see the dotted boxes, well they list each person's post - just in case you don't get it.

But you seemed to appoint YOURSELF as a spokesman too. The arrogance of the Right.

(sigh) Yes I know you were...it's called sarcasm. Please read my reply again and you might get what I was doing. Keep up.
The stupidity of the thuggish far left.

AmboGuy wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh








ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ








ished/C00000117/M000








03267/AI00020113/$It








em91cNM03GrnGrpAmend








02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea








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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

SmashEDOhttp://www.g






uardian.co.uk/commen






tisfree/2012/feb/11/






john-catt-protesting






-civil-liberties?com






mentpage=3#comment-1






4608457

I think we can take JHunty's silence, if it continues, as an admission of guilt. Of course Policemen work odd shifts and long hours so we'll give him a bit more time to respond. Now what's the address of the IPCC...

I've read this post and I genuinely can't see how it identifies JHunty as a Police Officer. Could you explain how you have come to suspecting this from his post?

Well JHunty can speak up and deny it can't he.

I have said I'm prepared to be corrected but it does seem he has a lot of information about the campaign and individuals in it as well as Sussex Police. As I point out various people have long suspected this and the fact that he is making allegations of threats to murder and using it to attack the politics of a member of the Police Authority makes it important that the issue is cleared up one way or the other.

And if he feels insulted at being called a policeman I'll even apologise if he convinces us that he's not one.

Yes but what I'm saying is that maybe you could show the quote he made on this forum and explain which parts identify him as being a police officer.
If you're talking about contacting the IPCC (quite a serious measure) then the least you can do is explain how you've come to this conclusion.

And just to add: Why would someone feel insulted to be called a 'policeman'? * note: - it's 'Police Officer' actually.

cancelaccount wrote:
oh Amboguy you are a delightful loon..
Although I do enjoy this tittle tattle, I must point out that I am not left wing, nor right wing or even middle of the fence party.
Im Apolitical (if you understand what that means?)

I am though, Jewish and many of my friends and family live in Israel.with this I will support the rights of Israel to defend its borders till I draw my last breath.

I also have family who have fought on the side of the leftists grandad fought against Franco's fascists! this does not mean I have leftists views or beliefs..

and the Greens are not Marxist,my gawd he would turn in his grave, well actually no Engels would because Marx Stole most of his ideas over the table in that Manchester library some years ago!

please don't mix me in with the loons of either political side/party..

and with that my rant does endeth! and resumption of the discussion at point can resume.. oh that sounded a bit big headed didn't it! sorry...

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ben Duncan should be a bit careful here, he has denied that he is a supporter of Smash Edo, yet he has consistently supported them in both thought and deed.
He has clearly shown his support for Smash Edo in the amendment he tabled at the last council meeting, trying to get on record the spurious claim that Edo sell arms to the Israelis that have been used to oppress the Palestinians, he has attended numerous Smash Edo demos, he was the councillor who handed in a petition from Smash Edo a few years ago to a council meeting, though he claimed not to know the person who handed him the petition, he has consistently used his blog to propagate Smash Edo propaganda,(the police are responsible for all the disruption at Smash Edo demos, err no they are not it is Smash Edos refusal to notify police in advance of their intentions that forces the police to provide enough officers for a worst case scenario)
He is the only member of the Sussex police authority to have had 6 yes count them 6, complaints made against him.

Cut and paste this link to see how Ben Duncan tried to turn a motion condemning Smash Edo into one that supported them. Please can someone from the Green party come on here and explain why they support a group who has members that have threatened the murder of the manager of Edo and his children.

http://present.brigh









ton-hove.gov.uk/Publ









ished/C00000117/M000









03267/AI00020113/$It









em91cNM03GrnGrpAmend









02ConEDO.doc.pdf#sea









rch=%22smash%20edo%2









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Threats to murder is a pretty serious allegation to make. You should clarify that statement as you obviously know the circumstances.

Someone told me that they'd seen you post on another site claiming to be a policeman (I think they said it was the Guardian site). If that is true I think there is a real conflict of interest in you posting here. Especially making such accusations without clarification and it would, I'd have thought, be a disciplinary matter and might be of interest to the press.

That is if it is true that you are a policeman of course and I'm prepared to be corrected here. But given your apparent level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Well doing a bit of searching reveals a Guardian post that suggests that jhunty probably is a policeman (see link below). Something that has been long suspected.

Not absolutely definite proof it has to be said (depending on the interpretation of "our") but the post does suggest if it is not true there is at least a strong connection with Sussex Police. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

So assuming it is, is it appropriate that a policeman is posting such material about a protest group that is supposedly and should be policed neutrally? It doesn't take much imagination to guess who the policeman might be given the apparent obsession with the campaign.

And is it right that a policeman should be posting about a member of Sussex Police Authority in such a blatantly political and anonymous way? Making allegations about threats to kill without any elaboration is also not acceptable.

JHunty has made many unsubstantiated allegations about the group over the last few years (usually just going quiet once they are challenged) and given the way the police and more recently the Council respond to scare stories in the press and the current council spat I believe this could be a corker. I'm sure Ben Duncan as a member of the Sussex Police Authority would be very interested not forgetting the press.

I think the Argus should definitely investigate this as they would have access to IP addresses etc. Given the way that SmashEDO have been criminalised and monitored over the years I think the results could be interesting and certainly would be in the public interest.

SmashEDOhttp://www.g







uardian.co.uk/commen







tisfree/2012/feb/11/







john-catt-protesting







-civil-liberties?com







mentpage=3#comment-1







4608457

I think we can take JHunty's silence, if it continues, as an admission of guilt. Of course Policemen work odd shifts and long hours so we'll give him a bit more time to respond. Now what's the address of the IPCC...

I've read this post and I genuinely can't see how it identifies JHunty as a Police Officer. Could you explain how you have come to suspecting this from his post?

Well JHunty can speak up and deny it can't he.

I have said I'm prepared to be corrected but it does seem he has a lot of information about the campaign and individuals in it as well as Sussex Police. As I point out various people have long suspected this and the fact that he is making allegations of threats to murder and using it to attack the politics of a member of the Police Authority makes it important that the issue is cleared up one way or the other.

And if he feels insulted at being called a policeman I'll even apologise if he convinces us that he's not one.

Yes but what I'm saying is that maybe you could show the quote he made on this forum and explain which parts identify him as being a police officer.
If you're talking about contacting the IPCC (quite a serious measure) then the least you can do is explain how you've come to this conclusion.

And just to add: Why would someone feel insulted to be called a 'policeman'? * note: - it's 'Police Officer' actually.

Well actually Ambo I owe nothing to you or this discussion list in terms of anything I might have passed on or intend to pass on to the IPCC or Guardian Journalists or anyone else.

If I have a suspicion it is in no way incumbent on me to justify why or divulge any information I might have least of all to right-wing loons.

It's none of your business but maybe you might read it in the papers depending upon what's dug up. Unless of course JHunty convinces us all that I'm mistaken. As I say I'm entirely open to that possibility.


Oh my mistake!! You say Police Officer, I say Policeman - let's call the whole thing off...

zrfau wrote:

cancelaccount wrote: my gosh, seems the ill informed dogooders are on a literal rampage! please beforeyou post agin Gaz Scott get your facts right,your anti israel stance stinks of anti semitism just like the Green party! who by nature are anti semitic! I remember that resident of Brussells stating her solidarity with female suicide bombers, and we votedin this lot.. lets hope the next election is held out of term time! Edo make a switch that can be used as a triggering device,they do NOT make Bombs! its like saying Smash westbrooks the fertiliser company because their product can be used in incendiary devices.. DOH!

Cancelaccount its you who are ignorant, or deliberately misleading more likely. EDO do not not just make a 'switch' they are at the heart of aircraft weapons systems manufacture and design and research and development. No one ever claimed they make entire bombs, they make essential parts for bombs (as it states correctly in this argus article), as well as parts for missiles, guided weapons, and their launching systems on military aircraft.

deltaP wrote:
What on earth have the mostly sensible people of Brighton & Hove done to deserve the moronic Green Party supposedly running the place?

That is Correct wrote:
AmboGay and his friends will be there at the barricades no doubt!

HJarrs wrote:
While this is a bit of a non-story I had to laugh at Councillor Janio's comments... he has no conflict of interest because his job is teaching people to fix flight simulators, not making arms.

He said: “We make flight simulators, we also make military flight simulators, but they don’t harm people.

“The worst thing a simulator can do to somebody is if it fell on them.

“We basically make a non-lethal product that teaches people to fly, whether they are military or civil.”

If you make a military simulator you are training people to kill, plain and simple. Maybe that killing is for a reasonable purpose like defending the UK or it maybe for an unsavoury regime. In either case, you can't come the argument that they are not part of a system to cause harm to people. Far from it, they are an integral part of delivering airborne ordinance.

AmboGuy wrote:
Seeing as you refuse to put the quote on this forum I'll do it for you, let's all look for the 'smoking gun' that shows JHunty is a corrupt copper and needs to be exposed:

"The fact is that Mr Catt is deemed to be vulnerable by the police and therefore they have a duty of care towards him. This means they keep an eye on him at demos, to ensure he is safe and if he gets arrested they arrange for a taxi to take him home from the police station at our expense. Of course this does not fit in with Mr Catts self image and so he keeps quiet about it. Just like he keeps quiet about being forcibly ejected from council meetings in Brighton and Hove when decisions do not go his way. He and the same law firm he is using now spent years and a great deal of public money trying to get Brighton and Hove Albion banned from the Withdean stadium, making ever more desperate appeals as time went by.
The idea that a police state or anything like Nazi Germany exists today in Britain is a nonsense fuelled by Mr Catts vanity.
Mr Catt is deeply unpopular in Brighton as are Smashedo. He is no hero just a bored old man using public money to satisfy his need for attention".

Nope me neither....

D5 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
While this is a bit of a non-story I had to laugh at Councillor Janio's comments... he has no conflict of interest because his job is teaching people to fix flight simulators, not making arms.

He said: “We make flight simulators, we also make military flight simulators, but they don’t harm people.

“The worst thing a simulator can do to somebody is if it fell on them.

“We basically make a non-lethal product that teaches people to fly, whether they are military or civil.”

If you make a military simulator you are training people to kill, plain and simple. Maybe that killing is for a reasonable purpose like defending the UK or it maybe for an unsavoury regime. In either case, you can't come the argument that they are not part of a system to cause harm to people. Far from it, they are an integral part of delivering airborne ordinance.

Good quote and more importantly good point.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Seeing as you refuse to put the quote on this forum I'll do it for you, let's all look for the 'smoking gun' that shows JHunty is a corrupt copper and needs to be exposed:

"The fact is that Mr Catt is deemed to be vulnerable by the police and therefore they have a duty of care towards him. This means they keep an eye on him at demos, to ensure he is safe and if he gets arrested they arrange for a taxi to take him home from the police station at our expense. Of course this does not fit in with Mr Catts self image and so he keeps quiet about it. Just like he keeps quiet about being forcibly ejected from council meetings in Brighton and Hove when decisions do not go his way. He and the same law firm he is using now spent years and a great deal of public money trying to get Brighton and Hove Albion banned from the Withdean stadium, making ever more desperate appeals as time went by.
The idea that a police state or anything like Nazi Germany exists today in Britain is a nonsense fuelled by Mr Catts vanity.
Mr Catt is deeply unpopular in Brighton as are Smashedo. He is no hero just a bored old man using public money to satisfy his need for attention".

Nope me neither....

Sorry Ambo really I don't see your point. I posted that link last night. So it's not very clever just posting it - unless you are suggesting people here are too stupid to follow a link. I've never said that was the smoking gun. What I am saying is I'm not going to itemise all the information that I've passed on.

I have also said (frequently) I'm prepared to admit I am wrong but am still waiting for JHunty to respond.

I still believe that attempts to discredit a member of the Police Authority if he is a Policeman (Sorry Police Officer) within the context of this political spat is serious enough to investigate. As policing will no doubt be driven by the Council's motion which in turn was driven by press comments I think it is very significant.

It's not just about some policeman unwisely making a few comments on-line. If you think otherwise then so be it. I'm not terrible worried about what you think at all.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Seeing as you refuse to put the quote on this forum I'll do it for you, let's all look for the 'smoking gun' that shows JHunty is a corrupt copper and needs to be exposed:

"The fact is that Mr Catt is deemed to be vulnerable by the police and therefore they have a duty of care towards him. This means they keep an eye on him at demos, to ensure he is safe and if he gets arrested they arrange for a taxi to take him home from the police station at our expense. Of course this does not fit in with Mr Catts self image and so he keeps quiet about it. Just like he keeps quiet about being forcibly ejected from council meetings in Brighton and Hove when decisions do not go his way. He and the same law firm he is using now spent years and a great deal of public money trying to get Brighton and Hove Albion banned from the Withdean stadium, making ever more desperate appeals as time went by.
The idea that a police state or anything like Nazi Germany exists today in Britain is a nonsense fuelled by Mr Catts vanity.
Mr Catt is deeply unpopular in Brighton as are Smashedo. He is no hero just a bored old man using public money to satisfy his need for attention".

Nope me neither....

Sorry Ambo really I don't see your point. I posted that link last night. So it's not very clever just posting it - unless you are suggesting people here are too stupid to follow a link. I've never said that was the smoking gun. What I am saying is I'm not going to itemise all the information that I've passed on.

I have also said (frequently) I'm prepared to admit I am wrong but am still waiting for JHunty to respond.

I still believe that attempts to discredit a member of the Police Authority if he is a Policeman (Sorry Police Officer) within the context of this political spat is serious enough to investigate. As policing will no doubt be driven by the Council's motion which in turn was driven by press comments I think it is very significant.

It's not just about some policeman unwisely making a few comments on-line. If you think otherwise then so be it. I'm not terrible worried about what you think at all.

Gazzer Scott, Bright he's not.............

...continues to spout drivel and embarrass himself.

How we all laugh at the waster, the waster that can't see beyond the end of his greasy little nose and has the brains of a flatfish.

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Seeing as you refuse to put the quote on this forum I'll do it for you, let's all look for the 'smoking gun' that shows JHunty is a corrupt copper and needs to be exposed:

"The fact is that Mr Catt is deemed to be vulnerable by the police and therefore they have a duty of care towards him. This means they keep an eye on him at demos, to ensure he is safe and if he gets arrested they arrange for a taxi to take him home from the police station at our expense. Of course this does not fit in with Mr Catts self image and so he keeps quiet about it. Just like he keeps quiet about being forcibly ejected from council meetings in Brighton and Hove when decisions do not go his way. He and the same law firm he is using now spent years and a great deal of public money trying to get Brighton and Hove Albion banned from the Withdean stadium, making ever more desperate appeals as time went by.
The idea that a police state or anything like Nazi Germany exists today in Britain is a nonsense fuelled by Mr Catts vanity.
Mr Catt is deeply unpopular in Brighton as are Smashedo. He is no hero just a bored old man using public money to satisfy his need for attention".

Nope me neither....

Sorry Ambo really I don't see your point. I posted that link last night. So it's not very clever just posting it - unless you are suggesting people here are too stupid to follow a link. I've never said that was the smoking gun. What I am saying is I'm not going to itemise all the information that I've passed on.

I have also said (frequently) I'm prepared to admit I am wrong but am still waiting for JHunty to respond.

I still believe that attempts to discredit a member of the Police Authority if he is a Policeman (Sorry Police Officer) within the context of this political spat is serious enough to investigate. As policing will no doubt be driven by the Council's motion which in turn was driven by press comments I think it is very significant.

It's not just about some policeman unwisely making a few comments on-line. If you think otherwise then so be it. I'm not terrible worried about what you think at all.

Gazzer Scott, Bright he's not.............

...continues to spout drivel and embarrass himself.

How we all laugh at the waster, the waster that can't see beyond the end of his greasy little nose and has the brains of a flatfish.

Oh the list intellectual's back. Mr Originality, with his never ending selection of choice phrases (currently up to 5 - wonder who he copied the most recent one from).

Conversing with you is like talking to an empty milk bottle so I'll leave it there.

gaz scott wrote:
Well Bladesboy most of us on here are in awe of your fast wit and uncanny ability to find just the right word to make that crucial point.

I'm sure I reflect the feelings of most here in expressing gratitude for the quality of your contributions to the debates on the list.

I'm really surprised your skills haven't been recognised in some way by the Argus. Still, keep going and maybe one day they will.

I've got to go and watch some paint dry so see you later.

thommy wrote:
Gosh, calm down. All the councillors said was that it may be unreasonable for a bunch of feral, out of control, far left extremist cretins to think it ok to spoil a bank holiday for a large number of visitors to the town.To clarify the green community: they are far left Marxist, totally disingenuous in not owning up to hating all that the remainder of the population generally feel ok with; a good strong armed forces, a monarchy, an independant GB, etc.The now deceased communist scoundrel, Stalin, used to refer to western sympathisers of communism and Marxism as useful idiots. There is a great number of useful idiots currently residing in Brighton and Hove, usually have decamped from the socialist republic khazis of Tower Hamlets, Brixton, etc, etc. Pointless even trying to reason with them! All well educated, but mad and deranged.

Zeta Function wrote:

deve wrote: We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

Well a lot of decent respectable people supported Hitler. It's frightful to see the drift to the right, with so many supporting investment in the production of weapons, and the software to go with them. The tories have wriggled into power in this country, have established their hegemony, along with values most people find offensive.

Ashles wrote:

Zeta Function wrote:

deve wrote: We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

Well a lot of decent respectable people supported Hitler. It's frightful to see the drift to the right, with so many supporting investment in the production of weapons, and the software to go with them. The tories have wriggled into power in this country, have established their hegemony, along with values most people find offensive.

Err, how do you think Hitler was defeated? Clue - it wasn't be protests outside of his arms factories. It was by use of military force.
It's a bit hard to see how you could have destroyed your own anti-weapons point more effectively than mentioning Hitler.

zrfau wrote:
EDO, ITT and Hitler EDO MBM are owned by ITT Exelis. ITT have a long history of supporting fascism including Hitler in ww2 ITT & Hitler The CEO of International Telephone & Telegraph (ITT), Colonel Sosthenes Behn reportedly spoke with Adolf Hitler on the phone from New York City every week of World War II. Key companies that maintained the German telephone network were ITT subsidiaries at that time, and communications were obviously of strategic importance for Nazi Germany. Their subsidiaries produced vital supplies such as switchboards, telephones, teleprinters, aircraft intercoms, submarine and ship phones, electric buoys, alarm gongs, buoys, air raid warning devices, radar equipment, radio parts and 30,000 fuses per month for artillery shells used to kill allied troops. ï Numerous payments were made to Heinrich Himmler in the late 1930s and in World War II itself through I.T.T. German subsidiaries. The first meeting between Hitler and I.T.T. was reported in August 1933, when Sosthenes Behn and I.T.T. German representative Henry Manne met with Hitler in Berchesgaden. Subsequently, Behn made contact with the Secretary of State Keppler and, through Kepplerís influence, Nazi banker Baron Kurt von Schrˆder became the guardian of I.T.T. interests in Germany. Schrˆder acted as the conduit for I.T.T. money funnelled to Heinrich Himmlerís S.S. organization in 1944. ï ITT profited from the bombing of London and south- east England as its German subsidiary Focke-Wulfe built the ìFW 191 heavy bomberî and the ìFW 190D fighter bomberî. By 1943 13% of ITTís income was generated from Nazi Germany. ï At the time of the Pearl Harbour attack in 1941, ITTís investments in Nazi Germany totalled $30 million. They continued to invest in and collaborate with Nazi Germany after the USA entered the war, in fact striking a deal with Hitler ensuring that the Nazi government would not acquire ITTís shares, but would be responsible for the administration of the shares. ITT literally went into partnership with the Nazi government in wartime. ï ITT later sued the American government, receiving $27 million for damage that had been inflicted on their German plants by Allied bombers, despite the fact that these factories were building Nazi military equipment to attack the allies during the war. Read more about ITT and its sordid links with fascism here: www.smashedo.org.uk/ resources/edo&it
t.pd f

cancelaccount wrote:

zrfau wrote:
EDO, ITT and Hitler EDO MBM are owned by ITT Exelis. ITT have a long history of supporting fascism including Hitler in ww2 ITT & Hitler The CEO of International Telephone & Telegraph (ITT), Colonel Sosthenes Behn reportedly spoke with Adolf Hitler on the phone from New York City every week of World War II. Key companies that maintained the German telephone network were ITT subsidiaries at that time, and communications were obviously of strategic importance for Nazi Germany. Their subsidiaries produced vital supplies such as switchboards, telephones, teleprinters, aircraft intercoms, submarine and ship phones, electric buoys, alarm gongs, buoys, air raid warning devices, radar equipment, radio parts and 30,000 fuses per month for artillery shells used to kill allied troops. ï Numerous payments were made to Heinrich Himmler in the late 1930s and in World War II itself through I.T.T. German subsidiaries. The first meeting between Hitler and I.T.T. was reported in August 1933, when Sosthenes Behn and I.T.T. German representative Henry Manne met with Hitler in Berchesgaden. Subsequently, Behn made contact with the Secretary of State Keppler and, through Kepplerís influence, Nazi banker Baron Kurt von Schrˆder became the guardian of I.T.T. interests in Germany. Schrˆder acted as the conduit for I.T.T. money funnelled to Heinrich Himmlerís S.S. organization in 1944. ï ITT profited from the bombing of London and south- east England as its German subsidiary Focke-Wulfe built the ìFW 191 heavy bomberî and the ìFW 190D fighter bomberî. By 1943 13% of ITTís income was generated from Nazi Germany. ï At the time of the Pearl Harbour attack in 1941, ITTís investments in Nazi Germany totalled $30 million. They continued to invest in and collaborate with Nazi Germany after the USA entered the war, in fact striking a deal with Hitler ensuring that the Nazi government would not acquire ITTís shares, but would be responsible for the administration of the shares. ITT literally went into partnership with the Nazi government in wartime. ï ITT later sued the American government, receiving $27 million for damage that had been inflicted on their German plants by Allied bombers, despite the fact that these factories were building Nazi military equipment to attack the allies during the war. Read more about ITT and its sordid links with fascism here: www.smashedo.org.uk/ resources/edo&it

t.pd f

you have just wiped all credibilty away by stating GODWINS Law you muppet! you display prime character traits for my book research..

gaz scott wrote:

Ashles wrote:

Zeta Function wrote:

deve wrote: We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

Well a lot of decent respectable people supported Hitler. It's frightful to see the drift to the right, with so many supporting investment in the production of weapons, and the software to go with them. The tories have wriggled into power in this country, have established their hegemony, along with values most people find offensive.

Err, how do you think Hitler was defeated? Clue - it wasn't be protests outside of his arms factories. It was by use of military force.
It's a bit hard to see how you could have destroyed your own anti-weapons point more effectively than mentioning Hitler.

Well maybe if people had got off their backsides and done this early on instead of ignoring what was going on around them and allowing the rise of the Right by which time it was too late then maybe we wouldn't have had to defeat him because he'd be a small and insignificant spec in history.

So actually the argument hasn't been destroyed you've merely illustrated the reasons why it is important to protest and to keep protesting.

(sorry for the repeat but I forgot to quote you the first time)

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Ashles wrote:

Zeta Function wrote:

deve wrote: We don't care - even if what you say is true- it doest concern most people - what concerns us is a load of misguided protesters who cant see the bigger picture. Yes we know Thales is into arms, yes we know the police try to stop the Crush EDO. Most people support these actions s more than they support misguided protesters. You just dont get it - decent respectable people dont want you or support you.

Well a lot of decent respectable people supported Hitler. It's frightful to see the drift to the right, with so many supporting investment in the production of weapons, and the software to go with them. The tories have wriggled into power in this country, have established their hegemony, along with values most people find offensive.

Err, how do you think Hitler was defeated? Clue - it wasn't be protests outside of his arms factories. It was by use of military force.
It's a bit hard to see how you could have destroyed your own anti-weapons point more effectively than mentioning Hitler.

Well maybe if people had got off their backsides and done this early on instead of ignoring what was going on around them and allowing the rise of the Right by which time it was too late then maybe we wouldn't have had to defeat him because he'd be a small and insignificant spec in history.

So actually the argument hasn't been destroyed you've merely illustrated the reasons why it is important to protest and to keep protesting.

(sorry for the repeat but I forgot to quote you the first time)

Gazzer Scott...Bright He's Not

JHunty wrote:
Wow, the Smash Edo bunch really dont seem to have much of an argument, EDO = Hitler? What rubbish, and as a matter of fact, Smash Edo have all ways claimed there was a BOMB factory in Brighton, one of their big lies. They remind me of the anti abortion protestors, so convinced of the justice of their cause that the laws of the land dont apply to them.
Our military intervention in Libya, made possible by companies like EDO did more to further the cause of human rights than anything Smash Edo will ever achieve, whilst the Greens would have sat back and done nothing. I remember the conflicts that sprung up in Serbia after the break up of the Soviet Union and our shameful do nothing attitude back then. Never again. Sometimes military intervention is the right thing to do. Smash Edo and the Greens are the same sort of people who supported appeasment and opposed Britain rearming in the lead up to WW2, as a consequence we were kicked out of continental Europe and the Nazis were given free rein to inflict their racial theories on the occupied countries of europe.
The fantasy land that Smash Edos elitist clique of leaders live in bears no resemblance to the real world.
The constant lies about the police being responsible for the disruption that Smash Edo seek to inflict on Brighton dont add up, their violence cannot be squared with their claims to be peaceful protestors.
Its very telling that they are unable to retain supporters and constantly have to recruit new sheeple, I guess even their own supporters get sick of the lies and hypocrisy and the failed tactics endlessly repeated by the elitist clique who issue their orders from on high.
What happened to last years summer of discontent? Cancelled due to lack of interest?
It is the fanticism shown by Smash Edo that makes the world a dangerous place, Churchill might have been a reactionary old twit at times but his quote on fantatics is relevant to Smash Edo
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Or as the great Grayson Perry would say, Hold your beliefs lightly

gaz scott wrote:
Well Bladesboy most of us on here are in awe of your fast wit and uncanny ability to find just the right word to make that crucial point.

I'm sure I reflect the feelings of most here in expressing gratitude for the quality of your contributions to the debates on the list.

I'm really surprised your skills haven't been recognised in some way by the Argus. Still, keep going and maybe one day they will.

I've got to go and watch some paint dry so see you later.

gaz scott wrote:
Bladesboy. You must think pretty highly of your sad little self if you think I would go to the efforts of posting to you under a different name. I'm gonna take the good advice from the poster you think might be me and ignore you from now on because you are a lonely little boy who just uses this list to get a break from his tedious little life.

On your post last night you even seemed to think I might want to converse with you elsewhere!! Why would I possibly want to do that? You're a tedious little idiot with ADHA who just creates noise in what is already a pretty idiotic discussion board.

In the meantime I await JHunty's reply.

JHunty wrote:
Wow, the Smash Edo bunch really dont seem to have much of an argument, EDO = Hitler? What rubbish, and as a matter of fact, Smash Edo have all ways claimed there was a BOMB factory in Brighton, one of their big lies. They remind me of the anti abortion protestors, so convinced of the justice of their cause that the laws of the land dont apply to them.
Our military intervention in Libya, made possible by companies like EDO did more to further the cause of human rights than anything Smash Edo will ever achieve, whilst the Greens would have sat back and done nothing. I remember the conflicts that sprung up in Serbia after the break up of the Soviet Union and our shameful do nothing attitude back then. Never again. Sometimes military intervention is the right thing to do. Smash Edo and the Greens are the same sort of people who supported appeasment and opposed Britain rearming in the lead up to WW2, as a consequence we were kicked out of continental Europe and the Nazis were given free rein to inflict their racial theories on the occupied countries of europe.
The fantasy land that Smash Edos elitist clique of leaders live in bears no resemblance to the real world.
The constant lies about the police being responsible for the disruption that Smash Edo seek to inflict on Brighton dont add up, their violence cannot be squared with their claims to be peaceful protestors.
Its very telling that they are unable to retain supporters and constantly have to recruit new sheeple, I guess even their own supporters get sick of the lies and hypocrisy and the failed tactics endlessly repeated by the elitist clique who issue their orders from on high.
What happened to last years summer of discontent? Cancelled due to lack of interest?
It is the fanticism shown by Smash Edo that makes the world a dangerous place, Churchill might have been a reactionary old twit at times but his quote on fantatics is relevant to Smash Edo
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Or as the great Grayson Perry would say, Hold your beliefs lightly

zrfau wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Wow, the Smash Edo bunch really dont seem to have much of an argument, EDO = Hitler? What rubbish, and as a matter of fact, Smash Edo have all ways claimed there was a BOMB factory in Brighton, one of their big lies. They remind me of the anti abortion protestors, so convinced of the justice of their cause that the laws of the land dont apply to them.
Our military intervention in Libya, made possible by companies like EDO did more to further the cause of human rights than anything Smash Edo will ever achieve, whilst the Greens would have sat back and done nothing. I remember the conflicts that sprung up in Serbia after the break up of the Soviet Union and our shameful do nothing attitude back then. Never again. Sometimes military intervention is the right thing to do. Smash Edo and the Greens are the same sort of people who supported appeasment and opposed Britain rearming in the lead up to WW2, as a consequence we were kicked out of continental Europe and the Nazis were given free rein to inflict their racial theories on the occupied countries of europe.
The fantasy land that Smash Edos elitist clique of leaders live in bears no resemblance to the real world.
The constant lies about the police being responsible for the disruption that Smash Edo seek to inflict on Brighton dont add up, their violence cannot be squared with their claims to be peaceful protestors.
Its very telling that they are unable to retain supporters and constantly have to recruit new sheeple, I guess even their own supporters get sick of the lies and hypocrisy and the failed tactics endlessly repeated by the elitist clique who issue their orders from on high.
What happened to last years summer of discontent? Cancelled due to lack of interest?
It is the fanticism shown by Smash Edo that makes the world a dangerous place, Churchill might have been a reactionary old twit at times but his quote on fantatics is relevant to Smash Edo
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Or as the great Grayson Perry would say, Hold your beliefs lightly

jhunty

The Hitler material was simply responding to an earlier post raising the old chestnut that without the arms industry Hitler world have won WW2.

In fact companies like EDO MBM's parent company ITT were openly supportive of fascism, (not just Hitler) but also in Spain in the 20s and 30s where the US ambassador described the founder of ITT, Sosthenes Behn as 'rabidly pro-fascist' in his support for Franco.

You can read about that here:

http://www.jstor.org

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Later in the 60s and 70s ITT help fund a CIA backed military coup against the elected government of Chile leading to the fascist dictatorship of General Pinochet.

You can read about that here:

http://foia.state.go

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More recently (2007) ITT pleaded guilty to criminal violations of US arms control laws selling military technology to China, and settled a legal action by paying a $100million dollar fine

You can read about that here:

www.justice.gov/nsd/

.../itt_statement_by

_usattorney.pdf

As for Cllr Janio's arms company in Crawley, Thales Training and Simulation Ltd, it too has a history of dodgy activities in the world of business

Some of its former business partners have even set up a website denouncing its unethical behavior.

See more here:

http://www.ethicalth

ales.co.uk/index.htm

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Add to that EDO MBM's own unlawful activities (lies in court, deception of authorities over the origins of its components etc) and the picture looks even more dodgy.

So Cllr Tony Janio and his ex-Head of Sussex CID former police chief, Cllr Graham Cox who proposed the motion against Smash EDO ( and its fictional about a plan to disrupt the Jubilee) are up to their necks in a history of corruption, criminality and unethical business going back decades.

AmboGuy wrote:
At the end of the day it's academic to come on here slating the EDO organisation. You will NEVER close it down, you will NEVER make much of a change and you will NEVER 'convert' anyone here who thinks the SmashEDO lot are morons by spouting your 'facts' from your own SmashEDO website. We don't care about EDO, we don't care about what they make or who they export to. We just want you to stop bussing people in from out of town for a jolly good punch up with the police. Stay away from OUR town.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
At the end of the day it's academic to come on here slating the EDO organisation. You will NEVER close it down, you will NEVER make much of a change and you will NEVER 'convert' anyone here who thinks the SmashEDO lot are morons by spouting your 'facts' from your own SmashEDO website. We don't care about EDO, we don't care about what they make or who they export to. We just want you to stop bussing people in from out of town for a jolly good punch up with the police. Stay away from OUR town.

Yea SmashEDO. You come here you keep giving us your "facts". Why don't you tell us something that isn't true or pretend everything is OK like everyone else.

Sorry Ambo but facts are facts even if they might be hard for you to swallow. You argue until you can argue no more then say it doesn't matter anyway. Priceless.

And Ambo who are the "we" you talk about? You don't seem to take in to account the many people in this city and country who do care about the things you dismiss so easily on behalf of everyone. And that's why SmashEDO and its like will never go away and you'd better get used to that "fact" too.

PS. It's my town too.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
At the end of the day it's academic to come on here slating the EDO organisation. You will NEVER close it down, you will NEVER make much of a change and you will NEVER 'convert' anyone here who thinks the SmashEDO lot are morons by spouting your 'facts' from your own SmashEDO website. We don't care about EDO, we don't care about what they make or who they export to. We just want you to stop bussing people in from out of town for a jolly good punch up with the police. Stay away from OUR town.

Yea SmashEDO. You come here you keep giving us your "facts". Why don't you tell us something that isn't true or pretend everything is OK like everyone else.

Sorry Ambo but facts are facts even if they might be hard for you to swallow. You argue until you can argue no more then say it doesn't matter anyway. Priceless.

And Ambo who are the "we" you talk about? You don't seem to take in to account the many people in this city and country who do care about the things you dismiss so easily on behalf of everyone. And that's why SmashEDO and its like will never go away and you'd better get used to that "fact" too.

PS. It's my town too.

Who are the 'we'? Most of Brighton don't want you there! We don't mind protests but the SmashEDO protests are the only ones where people cover their faces (so why is that Gaz, what are you hiding?), assault the police and vandalise peoples cars along Lewes Road (as seen on YouTube).
Ok here's a 'fact' for you, yes I know they make a component used in the bomb release mechanism but the 'fact' is that I JUST DON'T CARE!
PS - so its your town too? What about after you've finished your Uni course?????

AmboGuy wrote:
Born and bred in Brighton - but that's besides the point.
I think if you do continue to live here (god help us!) it'll be WITH arms dealing neighbours as you'll never get rid of them. This time last year your lot were on this forum talking about the 'final push' to get rid of EDO but they're still there aren't they? How many 'final pushes' can you have??
PS - You never did explain why SmashEDO protests are the only protests in Brighton where people hide their faces. We're all ears......

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Born and bred in Brighton - but that's besides the point.
I think if you do continue to live here (god help us!) it'll be WITH arms dealing neighbours as you'll never get rid of them. This time last year your lot were on this forum talking about the 'final push' to get rid of EDO but they're still there aren't they? How many 'final pushes' can you have??
PS - You never did explain why SmashEDO protests are the only protests in Brighton where people hide their faces. We're all ears......

Well you can't just make claims then say it's beside the point or dismiss them when they're addressed - it's something you do a lot!

I can't speak for those who might have talked about a final push. You'd have to ask them.

But to address the mask point I think if you had been constantly filmed by the police and followed around town you might do so too. And they are not, in any case, the only protests where people hide their faces. You'd need to get out to more protests to see that was the case.

The police have selected targets they always go for at a demo. That is the people they perceive as ring leaders (and why wouldn't they looking at it from their point of view). So by everyone masking up it makes that impossible or at least difficult.

I'm guessing you don't go to many demos but once you've been picked out and arrested a few times or followed home you get the idea that masking up to make yourself unidentifiable might be quite wise.

That'll do for today. I'm sure Bladesboy's keyboard fingers are itching to get going so I'll leave him to it. I mention this as your other technique is assuming people are avoiding your questions when it is actually just that we don't all spend our lives glued to the Argus Website and like to get out occasionally or even have to go to work. Oops there goes another one of your stereotypes.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Born and bred in Brighton - but that's besides the point.
I think if you do continue to live here (god help us!) it'll be WITH arms dealing neighbours as you'll never get rid of them. This time last year your lot were on this forum talking about the 'final push' to get rid of EDO but they're still there aren't they? How many 'final pushes' can you have??
PS - You never did explain why SmashEDO protests are the only protests in Brighton where people hide their faces. We're all ears......

Well you can't just make claims then say it's beside the point or dismiss them when they're addressed - it's something you do a lot!

I can't speak for those who might have talked about a final push. You'd have to ask them.

But to address the mask point I think if you had been constantly filmed by the police and followed around town you might do so too. And they are not, in any case, the only protests where people hide their faces. You'd need to get out to more protests to see that was the case.

The police have selected targets they always go for at a demo. That is the people they perceive as ring leaders (and why wouldn't they looking at it from their point of view). So by everyone masking up it makes that impossible or at least difficult.

I'm guessing you don't go to many demos but once you've been picked out and arrested a few times or followed home you get the idea that masking up to make yourself unidentifiable might be quite wise.

That'll do for today. I'm sure Bladesboy's keyboard fingers are itching to get going so I'll leave him to it. I mention this as your other technique is assuming people are avoiding your questions when it is actually just that we don't all spend our lives glued to the Argus Website and like to get out occasionally or even have to go to work. Oops there goes another one of your stereotypes.

"once you've been picked up and arrested a few times.....".
I rest my case ladies and gentlemen.
So many peaceful protests have occurred in Brighton with no arrests at all.

Some protesters are GENUINE protesters who really do care about their cause.....the other lot are SmashEDO!
I pray for the day the Police can use rubber bullets on these feral scum.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
I share Amboguy's well articulated summary comments, which serve to bring this thread to a timely close.

gazzer scott and his weird chums would do well to focus their energy elsewhere.

gazzer scott, bright he's not!
gazzer scott, bright he's not!

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Born and bred in Brighton - but that's besides the point.
I think if you do continue to live here (god help us!) it'll be WITH arms dealing neighbours as you'll never get rid of them. This time last year your lot were on this forum talking about the 'final push' to get rid of EDO but they're still there aren't they? How many 'final pushes' can you have??
PS - You never did explain why SmashEDO protests are the only protests in Brighton where people hide their faces. We're all ears......

Well you can't just make claims then say it's beside the point or dismiss them when they're addressed - it's something you do a lot!

I can't speak for those who might have talked about a final push. You'd have to ask them.

But to address the mask point I think if you had been constantly filmed by the police and followed around town you might do so too. And they are not, in any case, the only protests where people hide their faces. You'd need to get out to more protests to see that was the case.

The police have selected targets they always go for at a demo. That is the people they perceive as ring leaders (and why wouldn't they looking at it from their point of view). So by everyone masking up it makes that impossible or at least difficult.

I'm guessing you don't go to many demos but once you've been picked out and arrested a few times or followed home you get the idea that masking up to make yourself unidentifiable might be quite wise.

That'll do for today. I'm sure Bladesboy's keyboard fingers are itching to get going so I'll leave him to it. I mention this as your other technique is assuming people are avoiding your questions when it is actually just that we don't all spend our lives glued to the Argus Website and like to get out occasionally or even have to go to work. Oops there goes another one of your stereotypes.

"once you've been picked up and arrested a few times.....".
I rest my case ladies and gentlemen.
So many peaceful protests have occurred in Brighton with no arrests at all.

Some protesters are GENUINE protesters who really do care about their cause.....the other lot are SmashEDO!
I pray for the day the Police can use rubber bullets on these feral scum.

Well not quite sure your case would result in the verdict you'd hoped for if you have rested it.

Ambo you obviously live in a world where the police are angels and always do the right thing. I think you should read the papers (or at least different papers) and you might start to get a clue.

The fact that a policeman (since he's still not denied it) is posting lies and misinformation on here is just one small example of how the police are obsessed with smashing smashEDO.

And do you really think that people would risk arrest and injury for something they didn't really care about? You might not feel so strongly about something that you would take such risks but some people are made of stronger stuff. And thank God for that.

gaz scott wrote:
Despite Bladesboy's attempt to close the discussion this thread is far from over. Thanks partly to his help the number of comments has meant that the discussion appears on the front page - you can always rely on Bladesboy to help that process along!

But back to my point.

It is interesting that the local Conservatives now seemed to have dropped the allegation that SmashEDO have "plans to disrupt the Jubilee" and have now back-peddled to "plans for disruption". This suggests to me that they know they were wrong.

So two questions:

Can they explain why they've changed and how they think their original motion which directly links the march with the Jubilee might impact on the amount of disruption.

Will the march require more policing (and therefore cause more disruption) due to the Council motion linking the march to the Jubilee?

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
Despite Bladesboy's attempt to close the discussion this thread is far from over. Thanks partly to his help the number of comments has meant that the discussion appears on the front page - you can always rely on Bladesboy to help that process along!

But back to my point.

It is interesting that the local Conservatives now seemed to have dropped the allegation that SmashEDO have "plans to disrupt the Jubilee" and have now back-peddled to "plans for disruption". This suggests to me that they know they were wrong.

So two questions:

Can they explain why they've changed and how they think their original motion which directly links the march with the Jubilee might impact on the amount of disruption.

Will the march require more policing (and therefore cause more disruption) due to the Council motion linking the march to the Jubilee?

Thread now closed and a very big thank you to 'gazzer scott, bright he's not' for turning fact into fiction and bringing surrealist dimensions into the discussion.

THREAD CLOSED

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Born and bred in Brighton - but that's besides the point.
I think if you do continue to live here (god help us!) it'll be WITH arms dealing neighbours as you'll never get rid of them. This time last year your lot were on this forum talking about the 'final push' to get rid of EDO but they're still there aren't they? How many 'final pushes' can you have??
PS - You never did explain why SmashEDO protests are the only protests in Brighton where people hide their faces. We're all ears......

Well you can't just make claims then say it's beside the point or dismiss them when they're addressed - it's something you do a lot!

I can't speak for those who might have talked about a final push. You'd have to ask them.

But to address the mask point I think if you had been constantly filmed by the police and followed around town you might do so too. And they are not, in any case, the only protests where people hide their faces. You'd need to get out to more protests to see that was the case.

The police have selected targets they always go for at a demo. That is the people they perceive as ring leaders (and why wouldn't they looking at it from their point of view). So by everyone masking up it makes that impossible or at least difficult.

I'm guessing you don't go to many demos but once you've been picked out and arrested a few times or followed home you get the idea that masking up to make yourself unidentifiable might be quite wise.

That'll do for today. I'm sure Bladesboy's keyboard fingers are itching to get going so I'll leave him to it. I mention this as your other technique is assuming people are avoiding your questions when it is actually just that we don't all spend our lives glued to the Argus Website and like to get out occasionally or even have to go to work. Oops there goes another one of your stereotypes.

"once you've been picked up and arrested a few times.....".
I rest my case ladies and gentlemen.
So many peaceful protests have occurred in Brighton with no arrests at all.

Some protesters are GENUINE protesters who really do care about their cause.....the other lot are SmashEDO!
I pray for the day the Police can use rubber bullets on these feral scum.

Well not quite sure your case would result in the verdict you'd hoped for if you have rested it.

Ambo you obviously live in a world where the police are angels and always do the right thing. I think you should read the papers (or at least different papers) and you might start to get a clue.

The fact that a policeman (since he's still not denied it) is posting lies and misinformation on here is just one small example of how the police are obsessed with smashing smashEDO.

And do you really think that people would risk arrest and injury for something they didn't really care about? You might not feel so strongly about something that you would take such risks but some people are made of stronger stuff. And thank God for that.

Yes people would risk injury and arrest for something they didn't care about - don't be so naive for god sake. Do football hooligans have a 'cause'? Did many of the London rioters last year actually have a 'cause'? Why don't any of the other demonstrations in Brighton end in arrest or injury? At the end of the day SmashEDO are the only protesters that come to Brighton that are known trouble makers, you can try and blame the violence on the police but that only shows your immaturity and demonstrates that you live in a world where everything is their fault and you are responsible for nothing. Thank god the vast majority of people in this city think differently to you.

zrfau wrote:
The question of councillor Tony Janio's corruption remains very much OPEN.

Working for an arms company for 22 years, a company with subsidiary business links to arms company EDO MBM (Paveway 4 bomb).

Then proposing a council motion against Smash EDO a group protesting against the same EDO MBM, a motion based on fictional grounds of a threat to the Jubilee, a motion seconded by Cllr Grahma Cox, an ex Sussex head of CID with his own reasons to be prejudiced against Smash EDO.

It all stinks.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
As zrfau, occupy brighton supporter and gazzer scott (bright he's not) are one and the same and I would suggest are also barking mad, the thread should now close.

The summary is simply that the good people of Brighton are comfortable with and actually support EDO and do not want the great unwashed to visit Brighton.

THREAD CLOSED

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
As zrfau, occupy brighton supporter and gazzer scott (bright he's not) are one and the same and I would suggest are also barking mad, the thread should now close.

The summary is simply that the good people of Brighton are comfortable with and actually support EDO and do not want the great unwashed to visit Brighton.

THREAD CLOSED

What's up Bladesboy? Is it all getting a bit too much for you? Seeing conspiratorial postings again? Never mind.

I'm not expecting any answers from you (now that really would be mad) but there are several questions unanswered before the thread can be declared closed. So just go away you silly little boy.

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

zrfau wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

It does look very dodgy now you point that bit out. Its the kind of thing someone within the police would know about and is using to try and spook Mr Catt and his daughter. Very sinister.

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

Oh so it's my upbringing now?

You're great at making assumptions and stereotyping people. Same as Bladesboy except not nearly as bonkers (I wouldn't insult anybody by comparing them to Bladesboy).

Guess away and go into stereotype overdrive if you like since it does nothing to forward your argument.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

Oh so it's my upbringing now?

You're great at making assumptions and stereotyping people. Same as Bladesboy except not nearly as bonkers (I wouldn't insult anybody by comparing them to Bladesboy).

Guess away and go into stereotype overdrive if you like since it does nothing to forward your argument.

Obviously I don't know you but when I see such hatred and anger coming from you I can only think that you either have a mental illness of some kind or have grown up with this level of hatred as a child. Maybe you've had family members in prison - I don't know and really don't care. Like I have said before I'm not interested in your cause so your response to this is irrelevant as I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall trying to show you how destructive your lifestyle is - for yourself and others. Sadly, some people will just never understand.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

Oh so it's my upbringing now?

You're great at making assumptions and stereotyping people. Same as Bladesboy except not nearly as bonkers (I wouldn't insult anybody by comparing them to Bladesboy).

Guess away and go into stereotype overdrive if you like since it does nothing to forward your argument.

Obviously I don't know you but when I see such hatred and anger coming from you I can only think that you either have a mental illness of some kind or have grown up with this level of hatred as a child. Maybe you've had family members in prison - I don't know and really don't care. Like I have said before I'm not interested in your cause so your response to this is irrelevant as I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall trying to show you how destructive your lifestyle is - for yourself and others. Sadly, some people will just never understand.

I didn't think you actually WOULD go into stereotype overdrive. Goodness me.

I can only say again that by insulting me and making up "back-stories" about me you do nothing to address any actual arguments you might want to push forward.

I might add that those who rely on stereotypes to make sense of the world betray their limited outlook and intelligence.

You talk about my hatred yet you were the one who earlier was calling us scum and wishing rubber bullets on us. Very interesting that!

Sounds like you're the angry one. You're the one who's advocating violence against people. I'll make no guesses about the reasons you might have these violent instincts.

AmboGuy wrote:
By the way - you never did say who you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO??????

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

Oh so it's my upbringing now?

You're great at making assumptions and stereotyping people. Same as Bladesboy except not nearly as bonkers (I wouldn't insult anybody by comparing them to Bladesboy).

Guess away and go into stereotype overdrive if you like since it does nothing to forward your argument.

Obviously I don't know you but when I see such hatred and anger coming from you I can only think that you either have a mental illness of some kind or have grown up with this level of hatred as a child. Maybe you've had family members in prison - I don't know and really don't care. Like I have said before I'm not interested in your cause so your response to this is irrelevant as I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall trying to show you how destructive your lifestyle is - for yourself and others. Sadly, some people will just never understand.

I didn't think you actually WOULD go into stereotype overdrive. Goodness me.

I can only say again that by insulting me and making up "back-stories" about me you do nothing to address any actual arguments you might want to push forward.

I might add that those who rely on stereotypes to make sense of the world betray their limited outlook and intelligence.

You talk about my hatred yet you were the one who earlier was calling us scum and wishing rubber bullets on us. Very interesting that!

Sounds like you're the angry one. You're the one who's advocating violence against people. I'll make no guesses about the reasons you might have these violent instincts.

I'm not violent. I think the police should use rubber bullets as you're all just a nuisance that needs to be stamped out and the rubber bullets should do the trick!. If I had rats in my garden I'd put poison down but that doesn't make me violent does it?
Having seen the average SmashEDO rioter on YouTube I wouldn't talk about limited intelligence if I were you - lol!!!

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Gazzer scott, bright he's not

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Gazzer scott, bright he's not

What was that you were saying about rats in the garden Ambo? Maybe I'm coming round to your way of thinking.

And Bladesboy thanks for the timely proof of my point about the low intelligence of one particular poster on here (that'll be you). Dead on cue.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Gazzer scott, bright he's not

What was that you were saying about rats in the garden Ambo? Maybe I'm coming round to your way of thinking.

And Bladesboy thanks for the timely proof of my point about the low intelligence of one particular poster on here (that'll be you). Dead on cue.

Gazzer scott, bright he's not!

Now the thread has been reopened our prolific poster, gazzer scott continues to share his vitriol and ignorance whilst attempting to use blatant lies to influence (more chance of platting fog) the readership.

What I have noticed with this bunch (occupy brighton supporter, gazzer and zrfau) is that they start off trying a friendly approach and when people spot the lies and don't buy it, they then become increasingly aggressive and nasty.

Obviously gazzer scott, bright he's not has always remained balanced and professional throughout. It's everyone else who is at fault!

Oh what a waster!

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Gazzer scott, bright he's not

What was that you were saying about rats in the garden Ambo? Maybe I'm coming round to your way of thinking.

And Bladesboy thanks for the timely proof of my point about the low intelligence of one particular poster on here (that'll be you). Dead on cue.

Gazzer scott, bright he's not!

Now the thread has been reopened our prolific poster, gazzer scott continues to share his vitriol and ignorance whilst attempting to use blatant lies to influence (more chance of platting fog) the readership.

What I have noticed with this bunch (occupy brighton supporter, gazzer and zrfau) is that they start off trying a friendly approach and when people spot the lies and don't buy it, they then become increasingly aggressive and nasty.

Obviously gazzer scott, bright he's not has always remained balanced and professional throughout. It's everyone else who is at fault!

Oh what a waster!

"Now the thread has been reopened..."

Oh boy! You really do believe you're controlling this list don't you! Like a simpleton standing in the middle of the road directing traffic thinking he's important. I'm sorry and I really shouldn't mock but that is just so funny. An appropriate end to April fools' day.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Gazzer scott, bright he's not

What was that you were saying about rats in the garden Ambo? Maybe I'm coming round to your way of thinking.

And Bladesboy thanks for the timely proof of my point about the low intelligence of one particular poster on here (that'll be you). Dead on cue.

Gazzer scott, bright he's not!

Now the thread has been reopened our prolific poster, gazzer scott continues to share his vitriol and ignorance whilst attempting to use blatant lies to influence (more chance of platting fog) the readership.

What I have noticed with this bunch (occupy brighton supporter, gazzer and zrfau) is that they start off trying a friendly approach and when people spot the lies and don't buy it, they then become increasingly aggressive and nasty.

Obviously gazzer scott, bright he's not has always remained balanced and professional throughout. It's everyone else who is at fault!

Oh what a waster!

"Now the thread has been reopened..."

Oh boy! You really do believe you're controlling this list don't you! Like a simpleton standing in the middle of the road directing traffic thinking he's important. I'm sorry and I really shouldn't mock but that is just so funny. An appropriate end to April fools' day.

THREAD NOW CLOSED

NO NEW EVIDENCE OR VALID ARGUMENT PROVIDED - IN SUMMARY THE PROTEST SHOULD AND WILL NOW BE CANCELLED!

A BIG THANK YOU TO THE MORON ZRFAU/GAZZER SCOTT (bright he's not) for a battery of ridiculous posts that have kept the 3 additional readers and contributors highly amused.

Please note the implication of zrfau and gazzer scott (bright he's not) being one and the same.

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Why are you shouting and being so repetitive Bladesboy? You clearly believe you have some sort of pride of place and control on this list based on nothing but the ability to post random and annoying posts when some people attempt to have a serious discussion.

Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, it is so easy to get dragged down to your playground mentality.

And it is not about having the last word Bladesboy. There are people trying to discuss serious things and all you do is discredit your side of the argument. I don't think anyone on here thinks you're anything other than a simpleton. And that includes people who might share your views.

In fact maybe it's someone who supports SmashEDO being very clever and trying to discredit the pro-arms view by posing as a simpleton since you are doing exactly that.

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

Oh so it's my upbringing now?

You're great at making assumptions and stereotyping people. Same as Bladesboy except not nearly as bonkers (I wouldn't insult anybody by comparing them to Bladesboy).

Guess away and go into stereotype overdrive if you like since it does nothing to forward your argument.

Obviously I don't know you but when I see such hatred and anger coming from you I can only think that you either have a mental illness of some kind or have grown up with this level of hatred as a child. Maybe you've had family members in prison - I don't know and really don't care. Like I have said before I'm not interested in your cause so your response to this is irrelevant as I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall trying to show you how destructive your lifestyle is - for yourself and others. Sadly, some people will just never understand.

I didn't think you actually WOULD go into stereotype overdrive. Goodness me.

I can only say again that by insulting me and making up "back-stories" about me you do nothing to address any actual arguments you might want to push forward.

I might add that those who rely on stereotypes to make sense of the world betray their limited outlook and intelligence.

You talk about my hatred yet you were the one who earlier was calling us scum and wishing rubber bullets on us. Very interesting that!

Sounds like you're the angry one. You're the one who's advocating violence against people. I'll make no guesses about the reasons you might have these violent instincts.

I'm not violent. I think the police should use rubber bullets as you're all just a nuisance that needs to be stamped out and the rubber bullets should do the trick!. If I had rats in my garden I'd put poison down but that doesn't make me violent does it?
Having seen the average SmashEDO rioter on YouTube I wouldn't talk about limited intelligence if I were you - lol!!!

I have no problem with the intelligence of anyone I've ever met in the campaign. Show us a link to a specific YouTube video that proves your point.

On the other hand you only have to look at some of the idiotic comments and arguments put forward on this list to see where the intelligence deficit is.

Look at one of the most prolific posters on your side of the argument. Dear old Bladesboy: positive proof of my point. He's hardly a shining example of intelligence. Poor boy. Gotta feel sorry for him really.

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
As well has his usual distortions why is JHunty posting what might be seen as confidential and privileged information on a Guardian website about an individual he names?

From the Guardian Comments: "Perhaps he would like to explain why ******** didnt join him in trying to get the police to remove details from their database."

If he is a police man this could be seen as especially concerning.

There was no 'confidential and privileged information' on that post, nothing he has said is 'especially concerning' either. Well you go ahead and report him to the IPCC - I'm sure they'll have a good laugh about it.
We're just going round in circles here, I don't agree with you and your views and you don't agree with mine, I wish your lot would stop rioting in my town and you hope they carry on doing it, you see violence as a legitimate way to get your point across and I don't.
I've looked at SmashEDO on YouTube and just can't believe the levels of aggression and provocation shown towards to police (how did I know you'd blame them for starting the violence - lol!).
Maybe one day you'll change but if you are telling the truth and you are actually older than a student then sadly I think you're too entrenched in this angry and violent way of life to ever change.

I disagree. He has mentioned a third party's name which he had no right to do. Especially if he is a policeman.

Whether that person has applied to have details removed from a database or not is, I assume, not public information and should be kept confidential.

Also as the person mentioned does not have a criminal record it is not acceptable to broadcast their name to the world in connection with this issue. They may have reasons to not want to be connected and that should be respected. Instead, this information has been made public by JHunty to try to personally attack the litigant. If he is a policeman then this is really, really wrong.

As has become quite clear that the police do not respect an individual's right to privacy at all!!

I'll ignore your comments about me being violent as being slightly indicative of your limited experience of these issues.

Ok well you go to the IPCC, Chief Constable, Home Office, ACPO etc etc and let us know how you get on OK? Your very obvious hatred for the police shows a lot about your upbringing as hatred for authority usually runs in families for generations, tell me who do you hate more - Sussex Police or EDO?
If you didn't cause so much trouble you'd actually be a quite comical individual.

Oh so it's my upbringing now?

You're great at making assumptions and stereotyping people. Same as Bladesboy except not nearly as bonkers (I wouldn't insult anybody by comparing them to Bladesboy).

Guess away and go into stereotype overdrive if you like since it does nothing to forward your argument.

Obviously I don't know you but when I see such hatred and anger coming from you I can only think that you either have a mental illness of some kind or have grown up with this level of hatred as a child. Maybe you've had family members in prison - I don't know and really don't care. Like I have said before I'm not interested in your cause so your response to this is irrelevant as I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall trying to show you how destructive your lifestyle is - for yourself and others. Sadly, some people will just never understand.

I didn't think you actually WOULD go into stereotype overdrive. Goodness me.

I can only say again that by insulting me and making up "back-stories" about me you do nothing to address any actual arguments you might want to push forward.

I might add that those who rely on stereotypes to make sense of the world betray their limited outlook and intelligence.

You talk about my hatred yet you were the one who earlier was calling us scum and wishing rubber bullets on us. Very interesting that!

Sounds like you're the angry one. You're the one who's advocating violence against people. I'll make no guesses about the reasons you might have these violent instincts.

I'm not violent. I think the police should use rubber bullets as you're all just a nuisance that needs to be stamped out and the rubber bullets should do the trick!. If I had rats in my garden I'd put poison down but that doesn't make me violent does it?
Having seen the average SmashEDO rioter on YouTube I wouldn't talk about limited intelligence if I were you - lol!!!

I have no problem with the intelligence of anyone I've ever met in the campaign. Show us a link to a specific YouTube video that proves your point.

On the other hand you only have to look at some of the idiotic comments and arguments put forward on this list to see where the intelligence deficit is.

Look at one of the most prolific posters on your side of the argument. Dear old Bladesboy: positive proof of my point. He's hardly a shining example of intelligence. Poor boy. Gotta feel sorry for him really.

Sorry for the late reply Gaz, I just couldn't be bothered last night. As I have said twice now we are just going round in circles. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me - never mind.
Well it seems like you now have the support of the English Defence League for your protest - that speaks volumes to me and sums up the type of people who support SmashEDO.
I won't post again as this topic is just getting sooooo boring and old now. I know you love having the last word so I'll allow you the final say.

EDL Supporter wrote:

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Why are you shouting and being so repetitive Bladesboy? You clearly believe you have some sort of pride of place and control on this list based on nothing but the ability to post random and annoying posts when some people attempt to have a serious discussion.

Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, it is so easy to get dragged down to your playground mentality.

And it is not about having the last word Bladesboy. There are people trying to discuss serious things and all you do is discredit your side of the argument. I don't think anyone on here thinks you're anything other than a simpleton. And that includes people who might share your views.

In fact maybe it's someone who supports SmashEDO being very clever and trying to discredit the pro-arms view by posing as a simpleton since you are doing exactly that.

Yes Bladesboy is an idiot. Together with SmashEDO we will close down this arms factory, we'll use our British might to defeat this organisation.

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
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Why are you shouting and being so repetitive Bladesboy? You clearly believe you have some sort of pride of place and control on this list based on nothing but the ability to post random and annoying posts when some people attempt to have a serious discussion.

Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, it is so easy to get dragged down to your playground mentality.

And it is not about having the last word Bladesboy. There are people trying to discuss serious things and all you do is discredit your side of the argument. I don't think anyone on here thinks you're anything other than a simpleton. And that includes people who might share your views.

In fact maybe it's someone who supports SmashEDO being very clever and trying to discredit the pro-arms view by posing as a simpleton since you are doing exactly that.

Yes Bladesboy is an idiot. Together with SmashEDO we will close down this arms factory, we'll use our British might to defeat this organisation.

Your fellow EDL chums might have something to say about that. LOL.

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I see no problem here. we're on the same side for gods sake! I'm sorry if you don't like our group and have bought the lies that we are all racists. We will be out in force at the SmashEDO demo (it is a free country afterall!) and we will lend our support to your cause.

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EDL Supporter wrote:
I see no problem here. we're on the same side for gods sake! I'm sorry if you don't like our group and have bought the lies that we are all racists. We will be out in force at the SmashEDO demo (it is a free country afterall!) and we will lend our support to your cause.

I think you must be a rogue EDL supporter because I can't think many of your comrades support SmashEDO.

Since we apparently have a common goal (yea right) maybe you could tell us if you agree with SmashEDO in terms of supporting Palestine, condemning Israel and US/British involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, and of course an attack on Iran. I look forward to your reply clarifying that.

Of course it is a free country and I hope you will behave yourself if you do come on the march.

By the way unlike the EDL SmashEDO don't start their demos in pubs getting drunk so you might want to bear that in mind if you do decide to come.

EDL Supporter wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:
I see no problem here. we're on the same side for gods sake! I'm sorry if you don't like our group and have bought the lies that we are all racists. We will be out in force at the SmashEDO demo (it is a free country afterall!) and we will lend our support to your cause.

I think you must be a rogue EDL supporter because I can't think many of your comrades support SmashEDO.

Since we apparently have a common goal (yea right) maybe you could tell us if you agree with SmashEDO in terms of supporting Palestine, condemning Israel and US/British involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, and of course an attack on Iran. I look forward to your reply clarifying that.

Of course it is a free country and I hope you will behave yourself if you do come on the march.

By the way unlike the EDL SmashEDO don't start their demos in pubs getting drunk so you might want to bear that in mind if you do decide to come.

I resent being called a 'rouge' EDL supporter. To assume that we all start our demos getting drunk in the pub is a myth. There will be lots of us, we will support your cause as we also hate our corrupt government and police force.

EDL Supporter wrote:
Yes but I don't see why someone who is fiercly patriotic can also not want a bomb factory in Brighton. Like us or not you'll be seeing a few EDL banners out at the march.

EDL Supporter wrote:
Well we had some supporters at your last demo and we had generally good support from the SmashEDO demonstrators. We were open and made it clear who we were and the vast majority of the SmashEDO protesters we spoke to actually supported our cause once we had dispelled some of the lies told about us just as we supported theirs.

Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not wrote:
I'd like to see our Police Force given greater powers to prevent unrest and in particular to disperse and or detain the smash EDO and EDL scum

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:
Well we had some supporters at your last demo and we had generally good support from the SmashEDO demonstrators. We were open and made it clear who we were and the vast majority of the SmashEDO protesters we spoke to actually supported our cause once we had dispelled some of the lies told about us just as we supported theirs.

So why are you as an EDL Supporter against an arms factory in Brighton?

EDL Supporter wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:
Well we had some supporters at your last demo and we had generally good support from the SmashEDO demonstrators. We were open and made it clear who we were and the vast majority of the SmashEDO protesters we spoke to actually supported our cause once we had dispelled some of the lies told about us just as we supported theirs.

So why are you as an EDL Supporter against an arms factory in Brighton?

Why should sometime who is feircly patriotic not be against a bomb factory? I love being british but I am not very happy with the establishment. I'm sorry you don't want us there but as I have already stated we were welcomed by SmashEDO on the last march. There's no point us continuing this little back and forth conversation, We'll be on your march again, I suggest if you don't like us then you shouldn't go and speak to us (btw I know about 25 people coming so more than your estimate).

Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:
Well we had some supporters at your last demo and we had generally good support from the SmashEDO demonstrators. We were open and made it clear who we were and the vast majority of the SmashEDO protesters we spoke to actually supported our cause once we had dispelled some of the lies told about us just as we supported theirs.

So why are you as an EDL Supporter against an arms factory in Brighton?

Why should sometime who is feircly patriotic not be against a bomb factory? I love being british but I am not very happy with the establishment. I'm sorry you don't want us there but as I have already stated we were welcomed by SmashEDO on the last march. There's no point us continuing this little back and forth conversation, We'll be on your march again, I suggest if you don't like us then you shouldn't go and speak to us (btw I know about 25 people coming so more than your estimate).

If it's going back and forth it's because you haven't given any convincing reasons why you're against an arms factory.

The idea that SmashEDO would march side by side with the EDL is laughable.

I suggest you head to the EDL website or take a look at the Brighton Infidels FB page to try to get some idea about the politics of your so called beliefs as I think you're a tiny bit confused.

As you say not really any point carrying on this conversation since you won't tell us anything about how your EDL beliefs can be reconciled with being anti-arms trade. But then you're not really EDL are you.

My earlier post refers and yes we will be marching and we don't want others marching who may confuse the message.

Its laughable that its laughable and to be frank I'm not laughing, just confused that someone could believe in more than one thing. I'm also confused with my confusion as I was clear on my cause and know that anyone who isn't clear and supportive must technically be the enemy and worthy of destruction (metaphorically of course), yet in pursuing this philosophy that I think makes me as bad as the people I am challenging.

Then there is this other thing. Apparently the metal pins that EDO make incorporate recycled materials and as you know the supply chain is long and almost untraceable, however I think I may have contributed.

And then there's this other thing, I've been a bit crazy recently posting fanatical and sometimes whimsical type statements and mummy says its all getting a bit too much for me. I've also skipped some of my tablets and the twitch is back and its gnawing away at me.

Oh yes and I think people aren't actually being honest with me when they post on this site and then when I have re-read their comments and mine, maybe I am not being honest as well.

Mummy is going to make cocoa with milk as she says it will calm me a little and said I should rest. But I have so much to say and do and people need to remember how important my protest is and respect it, yes respect it......oh the twitch has started again! If only daddy was still alive he'd know what to do.

zrfau wrote:

JHunty wrote: Wow, the Smash Edo bunch really dont seem to have much of an argument, EDO = Hitler? What rubbish, and as a matter of fact, Smash Edo have all ways claimed there was a BOMB factory in Brighton, one of their big lies. They remind me of the anti abortion protestors, so convinced of the justice of their cause that the laws of the land dont apply to them. Our military intervention in Libya, made possible by companies like EDO did more to further the cause of human rights than anything Smash Edo will ever achieve, whilst the Greens would have sat back and done nothing. I remember the conflicts that sprung up in Serbia after the break up of the Soviet Union and our shameful do nothing attitude back then. Never again. Sometimes military intervention is the right thing to do. Smash Edo and the Greens are the same sort of people who supported appeasment and opposed Britain rearming in the lead up to WW2, as a consequence we were kicked out of continental Europe and the Nazis were given free rein to inflict their racial theories on the occupied countries of europe. The fantasy land that Smash Edos elitist clique of leaders live in bears no resemblance to the real world. The constant lies about the police being responsible for the disruption that Smash Edo seek to inflict on Brighton dont add up, their violence cannot be squared with their claims to be peaceful protestors. Its very telling that they are unable to retain supporters and constantly have to recruit new sheeple, I guess even their own supporters get sick of the lies and hypocrisy and the failed tactics endlessly repeated by the elitist clique who issue their orders from on high. What happened to last years summer of discontent? Cancelled due to lack of interest? It is the fanticism shown by Smash Edo that makes the world a dangerous place, Churchill might have been a reactionary old twit at times but his quote on fantatics is relevant to Smash Edo A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Or as the great Grayson Perry would say, Hold your beliefs lightly

jhunty The Hitler material was simply responding to an earlier post raising the old chestnut that without the arms industry Hitler world have won WW2. In fact companies like EDO MBM's parent company ITT were openly supportive of fascism, (not just Hitler) but also in Spain in the 20s and 30s where the US ambassador described the founder of ITT, Sosthenes Behn as 'rabidly pro-fascist' in his support for Franco. You can read about that here: http://www.jstor.org /discover/10.2307/31 14734?uid=3738032&am
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2527 4387 Later in the 60s and 70s ITT help fund a CIA backed military coup against the elected government of Chile leading to the fascist dictatorship of General Pinochet. You can read about that here: http://foia.state.go v/Reports/ChurchRepo rt.asp More recently (2007) ITT pleaded guilty to criminal violations of US arms control laws selling military technology to China, and settled a legal action by paying a $100million dollar fine You can read about that here: www.justice.gov/nsd/ .../itt_statement_by _usattorney.pdf As for Cllr Janio's arms company in Crawley, Thales Training and Simulation Ltd, it too has a history of dodgy activities in the world of business Some of its former business partners have even set up a website denouncing its unethical behavior. See more here: http://www.ethicalth ales.co.uk/index.htm l Add to that EDO MBM's own unlawful activities (lies in court, deception of authorities over the origins of its components etc) and the picture looks even more dodgy. So Cllr Tony Janio and his ex-Head of Sussex CID former police chief, Cllr Graham Cox who proposed the motion against Smash EDO ( and its fictional about a plan to disrupt the Jubilee) are up to their necks in a history of corruption, criminality and unethical business going back decades.