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    zrfau wrote:
    JHunty wrote: Wow, the Smash Edo bunch really dont seem to have much of an argument, EDO = Hitler? What rubbish, and as a matter of fact, Smash Edo have all ways claimed there was a BOMB factory in Brighton, one of their big lies. They remind me of the anti abortion protestors, so convinced of the justice of their cause that the laws of the land dont apply to them. Our military intervention in Libya, made possible by companies like EDO did more to further the cause of human rights than anything Smash Edo will ever achieve, whilst the Greens would have sat back and done nothing. I remember the conflicts that sprung up in Serbia after the break up of the Soviet Union and our shameful do nothing attitude back then. Never again. Sometimes military intervention is the right thing to do. Smash Edo and the Greens are the same sort of people who supported appeasment and opposed Britain rearming in the lead up to WW2, as a consequence we were kicked out of continental Europe and the Nazis were given free rein to inflict their racial theories on the occupied countries of europe. The fantasy land that Smash Edos elitist clique of leaders live in bears no resemblance to the real world. The constant lies about the police being responsible for the disruption that Smash Edo seek to inflict on Brighton dont add up, their violence cannot be squared with their claims to be peaceful protestors. Its very telling that they are unable to retain supporters and constantly have to recruit new sheeple, I guess even their own supporters get sick of the lies and hypocrisy and the failed tactics endlessly repeated by the elitist clique who issue their orders from on high. What happened to last years summer of discontent? Cancelled due to lack of interest? It is the fanticism shown by Smash Edo that makes the world a dangerous place, Churchill might have been a reactionary old twit at times but his quote on fantatics is relevant to Smash Edo A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Or as the great Grayson Perry would say, Hold your beliefs lightly
    jhunty The Hitler material was simply responding to an earlier post raising the old chestnut that without the arms industry Hitler world have won WW2. In fact companies like EDO MBM's parent company ITT were openly supportive of fascism, (not just Hitler) but also in Spain in the 20s and 30s where the US ambassador described the founder of ITT, Sosthenes Behn as 'rabidly pro-fascist' in his support for Franco. You can read about that here: http://www.jstor.org /discover/10.2307/31 14734?uid=3738032&am
    p;ui d=2129&uid=2&amp
    ;uid=70& uid=4&sid=476988
    2527 4387 Later in the 60s and 70s ITT help fund a CIA backed military coup against the elected government of Chile leading to the fascist dictatorship of General Pinochet. You can read about that here: http://foia.state.go v/Reports/ChurchRepo rt.asp More recently (2007) ITT pleaded guilty to criminal violations of US arms control laws selling military technology to China, and settled a legal action by paying a $100million dollar fine You can read about that here: www.justice.gov/nsd/ .../itt_statement_by _usattorney.pdf As for Cllr Janio's arms company in Crawley, Thales Training and Simulation Ltd, it too has a history of dodgy activities in the world of business Some of its former business partners have even set up a website denouncing its unethical behavior. See more here: http://www.ethicalth ales.co.uk/index.htm l Add to that EDO MBM's own unlawful activities (lies in court, deception of authorities over the origins of its components etc) and the picture looks even more dodgy. So Cllr Tony Janio and his ex-Head of Sussex CID former police chief, Cllr Graham Cox who proposed the motion against Smash EDO ( and its fictional about a plan to disrupt the Jubilee) are up to their necks in a history of corruption, criminality and unethical business going back decades.
    Wow. So the idea that the Allies defeated Hitler in WW2 by the use of military action and weaponry is an "old chestnut"?
    Really? That's actually what you are trying to say?
    I have heard of Holocaust deniers, but I have never previously encountered "Allied weaponry" deniers before.
    If that's how ludicrous you have to get to attempt to maintain your 'point' then you have completely given up.
    EDO appear completely and totally safe if their opposition consists of people like you."
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Row breaks out over Brighton Smash EDO protest at Jubilee

2:30pm Wednesday 28th March 2012 in News

A bitter row has broken out over councillors’ condemnation of a Diamond Jubilee anti-arms protest.

Conservatives and Labour councillors on Brighton and Hove City Council voted for a motion that the council should call on Smash EDO to drop its June protest plans because of possible disruption to celebrations.

Senior Green councillor Ben Duncan publicly suggested in his blog that Conservative Coun Tony Janio was “corrupt” in proposing the vote because he did not declare at the time that he himself works for an arms company.

Coun Duncan later clarified in a later post that he was not “alleging corruption”.

Smash EDO wants to close down the EDO factory in Home Farm Road, Moulsecoomb, which it claims makes parts for weapons used in overseas military action.

It has called a demonstration in Brighton on Monday, June 4 – the third day of a four-day bank holiday weekend marking the Queen’s 60th year on the throne – as part of a “summer of resistance”.

At a meeting Coun Janio proposed that the council call on Smash EDO to “abandon their plans to disrupt the Diamond Jubilee celebrations in the city” and to work with police over other plans for protests.

The motion was carried with support from Conservative and Labour group members, with the Greens abstaining or voting against the motion.

Coun Janio, who represents the Hangleton and Knoll ward in Hove, has listed in the council’s register of members’ interests that he works as a “technical instructor” for Thales Training and Simulation – owned by French defence company Thales.

Coun Duncan, the council’s cabinet member for communities, equalities and public protection, wrote in his blog after the meeting: “This looks a bit like corruption to me – keeping silent about his links with the arms industry while trying to shut down the activities of a group campaigning against it – either way the question will keep council lawyers busy for the next few weeks.”

He warned disruption was more likely if the council did not work constructively with protest groups.

He is planning to seek legal advice from council officers before deciding whether to lodge a complaint to the council’s standards committee.

Smash EDO spokeswoman Chloe Marsh said the planned demo was not directed at the jubilee.

A spokeswoman said: “The arms trade does not stop just because of the Jubilee holiday.”

Coun Janio himself said he has no conflict of interest because his job is teaching people to fix flight simulators, not making arms.

He said: “We make flight simulators, we also make military flight simulators, but they don’t harm people.

“The worst thing a simulator can do to somebody is if it fell on them.

“We basically make a non-lethal product that teaches people to fly, whether they are military or civil.”

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