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7:15am Monday 23rd July 2007
A monorail train will link Brighton Marina to Shoreham Harbour under new multimillion-pound plans.
Futuristic trains could be gliding from the Marina to the Palace Pier and then on to the Brighton Centre by 2009.
A second phase is being drawn up which will link central Brighton to Frank Gehry's King Alfred redevelopment in Hove and Shoreham Harbour.
The team behind an earlier bid to bring the transport system to Britain for the first time has held a series of meetings with Brighton and Hove City Council and the South East England Development Agency (Seeda), it has emerged.
Newly elected Conservative councillors and James Brathwaite, chairman of Seeda, are keen to see the multimillion-pound scheme developed further.
Seeda believes a monorail could unlock the huge development potential at the ageing Shoreham port, which has been earmarked for up to 6,000 homes.
Previous attempts to regenerate what could be the South East's largest brownfield site have faltered because of concerns about the poor road network and lack of infrastructure.
The initial £10 million scheme, travelling from the Marina to the Palace Pier, was dropped in 2005 with both developers and council blaming each other.
Labour councillors had not been convinced by the proposal and had discarded the option in favour of a bus-based network.
But the Conservatives took control of the council in May, and leader Brian Oxley immediately revealed he supported the monorail concept and wanted to revisit the proposal.
Meetings have now been held with the city's transport and planning departments, according to businessman David Courtney, who fronted the previous scheme and is working as a consultant on the present bid.
And now Seeda has also thrown its weight behind it. Chairman Mr Brathwaite told The Argus: "You know for a long time there have been entrepreneurs who wanted to build a tramway along the front of Brighton which would, if we had our way, connect into Shoreham to allow that to develop but also to take cars off the road in Brighton.
"From the plans I have seen and the business people who come to talk to me about it, it looks very feasible. The funny thing is that they have got the financial backing to bring it forward.
"It will be up to the local people and council to decide whether it is something they go for.
"Seeda will be very pleased to help Brighton achieve something like that."
Businessman John Regan, of City Partnerships, and Mr Courtney are finalising the design for the new proposal to present to the city council in the coming weeks.
Mr Courtney said that major developments at the Marina, Black Rock, the Brighton Centre, King Alfred and embryonic plans for Shoreham made the monorail a better proposition today than ever before.
He said: "It is key for the future developments of this city because we have got to be able to move people around. This could also be a catalyst to many developments in the future.
"It is the greenest form of transport apart from getting on a bike and will travel at 30mph.
"And by not building it on the road we do not cause all the disruption with road works and it should take just one year to build."
Unlike many monorails across the globe, the scheme will not involve tracks raised into the sky and is likely to run next to the Volks Railway.
Mr Courtney said he was confident the scheme would attract enough use from conference goers, tourists, residents and commuters and would cover Brighton Marina to the Palace Pier in three minutes.
Funding has yet to be secured for the scheme, but the developers hope to secure private and public investment.
The first phase, from Brighton Marina to the Brighton Centre will cost around £20 million, based on £10 million a kilometre.
Councillor Oxley said: "As I understand it the matter is now being discussed with officers looking at the technical issues.".
What do you think of the idea? Leave your comments here.
Ed, Hove says...
8:28am Mon 23 Jul 07
Rob, Brighton says...
8:53am Mon 23 Jul 07
Easy 10, says...
8:57am Mon 23 Jul 07
mark, brighton says...
8:59am Mon 23 Jul 07
dave, hove says...
9:01am Mon 23 Jul 07
oliver, brighton says...
9:09am Mon 23 Jul 07
mark, brighton says...
9:21am Mon 23 Jul 07
dave wrote:they should get a council property each, and free meals and two holidays a year,
What about the freeloading hippies who live in old ambulances by the king Alfred, where will these poor victims of the greedy developers go?
jim, brighton says...
9:25am Mon 23 Jul 07
Dave the Taxi Driver, Fishersgate says...
9:50am Mon 23 Jul 07
David, Hove says...
9:56am Mon 23 Jul 07
GUNTER, Brighton says...
10:03am Mon 23 Jul 07
Easy 10, says...
10:10am Mon 23 Jul 07
MARTIN, brighton says...
10:10am Mon 23 Jul 07
GUNTER wrote:no we need fanshawe and tatchel, a failed comedian and a man who gets on any bandwagon ,should they not be a act on stage?
Get TATCHELL involved. He will campaign for it on behalf of all the gays in Brighton. Tatchell is absolutely superb with things like this and would be a great ambassador for the scheme.
PB, Hove says...
10:24am Mon 23 Jul 07
Lupin's Ghost, Brighton says...
10:41am Mon 23 Jul 07
NIMBY, Here says...
11:06am Mon 23 Jul 07
Paul, Worthing says...
11:14am Mon 23 Jul 07
puzzled john, Brighton says...
11:23am Mon 23 Jul 07
JC, Brighton says...
11:53am Mon 23 Jul 07
mark, brighton says...
11:56am Mon 23 Jul 07
puzzled john wrote:GOD JOHN, you would have thought that was easy, but at 10 million ? where are the back handers coming from for your idea? obviously putting in windows and extending it would cost how much? they recently moved the track and it took a month, so where does ten million come from?
Just strikes me that we already have a tourist attraction that tries to fulfil half the route... wouldn't it be cheaper to upgrade the Volks between Marina and Pier? Extending the line so it actually goes to the marina could be a start?
Paul, Brighton says...
12:40pm Mon 23 Jul 07
buzzer, brighton says...
1:08pm Mon 23 Jul 07
mark wrote:yeah. Ridiculous idea. Who's ever heard of a train running along Brighton's coast? Certainly not the VOLKS on here anyway.
more nonsense, how can it run along the front? in bad weather you get pebbles thrown up on the pavements to derailing or not running in bad weather, 30mph is going to see people killed. how funny to connect 3 dead losses, the marina is dead outside of weekends, and shoreham is full of banjo players,who would want to go to shoreham? as for king alfred,excluding good weather no one will go once the novelty wears off.
Alan, Hove says...
1:31pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Brian, Hove says...
2:06pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Gary, Hove says...
2:16pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Alan wrote:Well said Alan!
God, this town is truly full of cynics, and people who are intent on turning England into the world's largest theme park to the 19th century. I can already hear the "if it's not Regency, it's rubbish" brigade getting out the war drums and the chequebooks to insure that this plan is quashed under spurious uses of ancient law (the West Pier) or due to miswording (Falmer Stadium). It seems like every time there is a plan to do anything in this town (and I say TOWN specifically as these people are holding back any type of city potential) a certain minority who for some reason (££) have far more clout than numbers, start howling. The worst thing is, people who actually live here and have to work for a living are held hostage to these old attitudes at the expense of common sense. Thus we put up with a town centre that is clogged with cars (and with people demanding more parking feet from their destinations), falling down old buildings that have outlived their purposes but can't be redeveloped at all due to overbearing conservation rules, a falling down leisure centre, and a rusty hulk in the sea. I am not saying that the town should be razed and rebuilt, but let's have common sense and look at these things without being overly worried about the "Past" and "Regency Splendor" as the only markers of whether or not a project should be done. Nostalgia is great, but where would it be without some progress?
Gary, Hove says...
2:20pm Mon 23 Jul 07
jim wrote:Hillarious argument regarding demand for transport along the seafront.
The questions so far go the heart of what matters here. Would people use a monorail along this route? If there was demand for this route, you would imagine an enterprising business would tap into all those potential customers. Brighton and Hove Buses has a good track record of providing a bus service where there's a profit to be made. The fact it doesn't serve the proposed monorail route is a reliable indicator of the lack of demand. This suggests the initial £20 million would be better spent on alternatives. Our roads need to be better and we need more parking closer to the places people want to go. Labour spent a fortune making it harder to get around our town and harder to park. New buildings seem to be permitted as long as they don't provide enough parking for the traffic they will generate in the hope that fewer people will drive to and from these places. The Tories could save £20 million and insist developers provide at least enough parking. Those of us who drive need to look at greener technology in cars, chances to use the bus more and opportunities to cycle or walk more. A monorail will be a waste of our council tax and a waste of council staff's time.
Iain, Brighton says...
2:22pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Ian, Shoreham says...
2:36pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Septicman, Brighton says...
2:39pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Chris Keene, Brighton says...
2:39pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Ed wrote:Define 'run down'? Not wishing to turn this in to another stadium topic, but, as has been said before, while this may be the best location for a new stadium, those who live locally have a right to appeal it. Added to this, the stadium is very close to the border of another district council, that district council has to represent the views of those who live in that area. This is unfortunate, but no ones fault. Lewes and falmer are only doing what they have a right to do.
This City can't even get a non offending stadium built in a run down area. A mono rail is a tad ambitious for the nimbys I would imagine
Septicman, Brighton says...
2:41pm Mon 23 Jul 07
David, Brighton says...
2:54pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
3:32pm Mon 23 Jul 07
John, Brunswick says...
3:33pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Stu, brighton says...
3:42pm Mon 23 Jul 07
dotty dave, marina says...
3:44pm Mon 23 Jul 07
David, Brighton says...
3:53pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Paul wrote:Paul
David, did you miss the part that says \\\"It is the greenest form of transport apart from getting on a bike\\\"
Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
4:11pm Mon 23 Jul 07
dave, sompting says...
4:16pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Dave wrote:I call the big one bitey.
Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail! What'd I say? Ned Flanders: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: What's it called? Patty+Selma: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail! Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud... Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud. Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend? Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend. Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs? Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs. Abe: Were you sent here by the devil? Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level. Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can. Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man. I swear it's Springfield's only choice... Throw up your hands and raise your voice! All: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: What's it called? All: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: Once again... All: Monorail! Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken... Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken! All: Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! Homer: Mono... D'oh!
David, Brighton says...
4:20pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Mike, Hove says...
4:58pm Mon 23 Jul 07
mark, btn says...
5:46pm Mon 23 Jul 07
buzzer wrote:yes perhaps you would explain why it takes afew weeks evey year to repair storm and clear the pebbles off the VOLKS LINE!!! strange it only runs when its dry.
mark wrote: more nonsense, how can it run along the front? in bad weather you get pebbles thrown up on the pavements to derailing or not running in bad weather, 30mph is going to see people killed. how funny to connect 3 dead losses, the marina is dead outside of weekends, and shoreham is full of banjo players,who would want to go to shoreham? as for king alfred,excluding good weather no one will go once the novelty wears off.yeah. Ridiculous idea. Who\'s ever heard of a train running along Brighton\'s coast? Certainly not the VOLKS on here anyway.
ben, brighton says...
6:09pm Mon 23 Jul 07
richard, hove says...
6:10pm Mon 23 Jul 07
jim wrote:This is to provide a link between lots of new developments planned for the seafront like the 600 million pound transformation of the marina, around 2000 new homes will go there, then the new arena at black rock, then the new brighton centre/churchill square development, which will have more residential apartments, then moving onto the king alfred where 900 homes are to be built, and finally shoreham harbour where 6000 homes are to be built. So of course there will be demand, maybe not at the moment but most certainly in the future.
The questions so far go the heart of what matters here. Would people use a monorail along this route? If there was demand for this route, you would imagine an enterprising business would tap into all those potential customers. Brighton and Hove Buses has a good track record of providing a bus service where there's a profit to be made. The fact it doesn't serve the proposed monorail route is a reliable indicator of the lack of demand. This suggests the initial £20 million would be better spent on alternatives. Our roads need to be better and we need more parking closer to the places people want to go. Labour spent a fortune making it harder to get around our town and harder to park. New buildings seem to be permitted as long as they don't provide enough parking for the traffic they will generate in the hope that fewer people will drive to and from these places. The Tories could save £20 million and insist developers provide at least enough parking. Those of us who drive need to look at greener technology in cars, chances to use the bus more and opportunities to cycle or walk more. A monorail will be a waste of our council tax and a waste of council staff's time.
Alan, Hove says...
6:12pm Mon 23 Jul 07
yes perhaps you would explain why it takes afew weeks evey year to repair storm and clear the pebbles off the VOLKS LINE!!! strange it only runs when its dry
SM, says...
7:05pm Mon 23 Jul 07
caeos, says...
7:09pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Roger the Shoe Designing Guitarist, Shoreham says...
7:12pm Mon 23 Jul 07
SM, says...
7:20pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Acheron, Hove says...
7:48pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Alex, Brighton says...
8:30pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Further, the Volks cannot be extended because it is a listed monument (I think Grade 1!) and by its very design requires the track to be segregated (110VDC third rail).
richard, hove says...
8:48pm Mon 23 Jul 07
Roger the Shoe Designing Guitarist wrote:Shoreham is a suburb of Brighton & Hove, nothing else, people will always want to travel to the centre of the city, and with this monorail it will mean quicker access into the city centre for people in the western suburbs.
Those are not banjos, they're Paul Reed Smiths. And we can play them. Shoreham is so much more pleasant than Brighton. That's why new restaurants are continuing to open and do well. It's amusing that you seedy Brightonians think Shoreham people will want to go to the squalid Brighton Marina, or the chewing-gum strewn Brighton town centre, when the monorail traffic will obviously be coming the other way - people wanting to get out of the god-forsaken third-world hole that Brighton is becoming. Can we also make it clear that the entrance to "Shoreham Harbour" is in Hove (actually)as most Brighton media types, never having been further than the King Alfred, seem to think that this is Shoreham. It most definitely is NOT.
Roger the Shoe Designing Guitarist, Shoreham says...
9:04pm Mon 23 Jul 07
richard, Hove says...
9:33pm Mon 23 Jul 07
mark, brighton says...
9:52pm Mon 23 Jul 07
bill, chalet by the sea says...
10:31pm Mon 23 Jul 07
I also have visions of the Monorail being closed during the winter months when the high winds would simply blow it off its track.
Dave, Woolwich says...
8:04am Mon 23 Jul 07
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!