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Monorail to link marina to harbour

7:15am Monday 23rd July 2007

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By Lawrence Marzouk »

A monorail train will link Brighton Marina to Shoreham Harbour under new multimillion-pound plans.

Futuristic trains could be gliding from the Marina to the Palace Pier and then on to the Brighton Centre by 2009.

A second phase is being drawn up which will link central Brighton to Frank Gehry's King Alfred redevelopment in Hove and Shoreham Harbour.

The team behind an earlier bid to bring the transport system to Britain for the first time has held a series of meetings with Brighton and Hove City Council and the South East England Development Agency (Seeda), it has emerged.

Newly elected Conservative councillors and James Brathwaite, chairman of Seeda, are keen to see the multimillion-pound scheme developed further.

Seeda believes a monorail could unlock the huge development potential at the ageing Shoreham port, which has been earmarked for up to 6,000 homes.

Previous attempts to regenerate what could be the South East's largest brownfield site have faltered because of concerns about the poor road network and lack of infrastructure.

The initial £10 million scheme, travelling from the Marina to the Palace Pier, was dropped in 2005 with both developers and council blaming each other.

Labour councillors had not been convinced by the proposal and had discarded the option in favour of a bus-based network.

But the Conservatives took control of the council in May, and leader Brian Oxley immediately revealed he supported the monorail concept and wanted to revisit the proposal.

Meetings have now been held with the city's transport and planning departments, according to businessman David Courtney, who fronted the previous scheme and is working as a consultant on the present bid.

And now Seeda has also thrown its weight behind it. Chairman Mr Brathwaite told The Argus: "You know for a long time there have been entrepreneurs who wanted to build a tramway along the front of Brighton which would, if we had our way, connect into Shoreham to allow that to develop but also to take cars off the road in Brighton.

"From the plans I have seen and the business people who come to talk to me about it, it looks very feasible. The funny thing is that they have got the financial backing to bring it forward.

"It will be up to the local people and council to decide whether it is something they go for.

"Seeda will be very pleased to help Brighton achieve something like that."

Businessman John Regan, of City Partnerships, and Mr Courtney are finalising the design for the new proposal to present to the city council in the coming weeks.

Mr Courtney said that major developments at the Marina, Black Rock, the Brighton Centre, King Alfred and embryonic plans for Shoreham made the monorail a better proposition today than ever before.

He said: "It is key for the future developments of this city because we have got to be able to move people around. This could also be a catalyst to many developments in the future.

"It is the greenest form of transport apart from getting on a bike and will travel at 30mph.

"And by not building it on the road we do not cause all the disruption with road works and it should take just one year to build."

Unlike many monorails across the globe, the scheme will not involve tracks raised into the sky and is likely to run next to the Volks Railway.

Mr Courtney said he was confident the scheme would attract enough use from conference goers, tourists, residents and commuters and would cover Brighton Marina to the Palace Pier in three minutes.

Funding has yet to be secured for the scheme, but the developers hope to secure private and public investment.

The first phase, from Brighton Marina to the Brighton Centre will cost around £20 million, based on £10 million a kilometre.

Councillor Oxley said: "As I understand it the matter is now being discussed with officers looking at the technical issues.".

What do you think of the idea? Leave your comments here.


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Dave, Woolwich says...
8:04am Mon 23 Jul 07

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!

Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!

Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!

Ed, Hove says...
8:28am Mon 23 Jul 07

This City can't even get a non offending stadium built in a run down area. A mono rail is a tad ambitious for the nimbys I would imagine

Rob, Brighton says...
8:53am Mon 23 Jul 07

For those of us on the seafront it would be more "not in my front garden....."

Easy 10, says...
8:57am Mon 23 Jul 07

As Ed says, this city is too stuffed to the rafters with NIMBYs to ever get a plan like this off the ground. Great idea, but someone will object about noise/visual impact/seagull habitats etc etc and DE-RAIL the whole thing.

(do you see what I did there ?)

mark, brighton says...
8:59am Mon 23 Jul 07

more nonsense, how can it run along the front? in bad weather you get pebbles thrown up on the pavements to derailing or not running in bad weather, 30mph is going to see people killed. how funny to connect 3 dead losses, the marina is dead outside of weekends, and shoreham is full of banjo players,who would want to go to shoreham? as for king alfred,excluding good weather no one will go once the novelty wears off.

dave, hove says...
9:01am Mon 23 Jul 07

What about the freeloading hippies who live in old ambulances by the king Alfred, where will these poor victims of the greedy developers go?

oliver, brighton says...
9:09am Mon 23 Jul 07

the council are trying to save the marina. bars are all losing money , nearly every bar and pub are up for sale, and the shops are a joke, dave courtney is having a laugh 3 minutes from marina to pier!!! how many people will get run over? as mark says who wants to go to shoreham?

mark, brighton says...
9:21am Mon 23 Jul 07

dave wrote:
What about the freeloading hippies who live in old ambulances by the king Alfred, where will these poor victims of the greedy developers go?
they should get a council property each, and free meals and two holidays a year,

jim, brighton says...
9:25am Mon 23 Jul 07

The questions so far go the heart of what matters here. Would people use a monorail along this route?
If there was demand for this route, you would imagine an enterprising business would tap into all those potential customers. Brighton and Hove Buses has a good track record of providing a bus service where there's a profit to be made. The fact it doesn't serve the proposed monorail route is a reliable indicator of the lack of demand.
This suggests the initial £20 million would be better spent on alternatives. Our roads need to be better and we need more parking closer to the places people want to go.
Labour spent a fortune making it harder to get around our town and harder to park. New buildings seem to be permitted as long as they don't provide enough parking for the traffic they will generate in the hope that fewer people will drive to and from these places.
The Tories could save £20 million and insist developers provide at least enough parking.
Those of us who drive need to look at greener technology in cars, chances to use the bus more and opportunities to cycle or walk more. A monorail will be a waste of our council tax and a waste of council staff's time.

Dave the Taxi Driver, Fishersgate says...
9:50am Mon 23 Jul 07

These monorails aren't safe I tell you. Any old Tom Dick or Harry can drive them. Whatever next, TucTucs. Wibble!

David, Hove says...
9:56am Mon 23 Jul 07

This is a great idea. and when it links to a Park and Ride north of the town it will truly be a vision for the future

GUNTER, Brighton says...
10:03am Mon 23 Jul 07

Get TATCHELL involved. He will campaign for it on behalf of all the gays in Brighton. Tatchell is absolutely superb with things like this and would be a great ambassador for the scheme.

Easy 10, says...
10:10am Mon 23 Jul 07

Perhaps they could make it like a giant ROLLERCOASTER, with a loop and everything. Forget this 30mph gubbins, we want a 90mph THRILL RIDE along the coast. But with extra stops.

MARTIN, brighton says...
10:10am Mon 23 Jul 07

GUNTER wrote:
Get TATCHELL involved. He will campaign for it on behalf of all the gays in Brighton. Tatchell is absolutely superb with things like this and would be a great ambassador for the scheme.
no we need fanshawe and tatchel, a failed comedian and a man who gets on any bandwagon ,should they not be a act on stage?

PB, Hove says...
10:24am Mon 23 Jul 07

Apparently it's going to link up Brigton with North Haverbrook.

Lupin's Ghost, Brighton says...
10:41am Mon 23 Jul 07

Deary me; radical thinking and more development. That's not going to go down too well with all the reactionary NIMBYs, NOTEs, NOPEs and BANANAs who inhabit our gloriously-decaying Regency backwater.

NIMBY, Here says...
11:06am Mon 23 Jul 07

No way. Won't there be an increased possibility of monorail/falcon collision?

Paul, Worthing says...
11:14am Mon 23 Jul 07

Easy way to please both sides on this sort of thing - let those who want the thing built agree to pay for it.

puzzled john, Brighton says...
11:23am Mon 23 Jul 07

Just strikes me that we already have a tourist attraction that tries to fulfil half the route... wouldn't it be cheaper to upgrade the Volks between Marina and Pier? Extending the line so it actually goes to the marina could be a start?

JC, Brighton says...
11:53am Mon 23 Jul 07

I think this has potential to go ahead, especially if the cash is being stumped up by the private sector...also the NIMBYS can't complain too much if it's not going to be at street level surely?

That said, what exactly is the point of it running at beach level which involves a real trek down from the road..hardly a convenient 'commuter' service! Wouldn't it be better running along the intermediary level between seafront and beach??

mark, brighton says...
11:56am Mon 23 Jul 07

puzzled john wrote:
Just strikes me that we already have a tourist attraction that tries to fulfil half the route... wouldn't it be cheaper to upgrade the Volks between Marina and Pier? Extending the line so it actually goes to the marina could be a start?
GOD JOHN, you would have thought that was easy, but at 10 million ? where are the back handers coming from for your idea? obviously putting in windows and extending it would cost how much? they recently moved the track and it took a month, so where does ten million come from?

Paul, Brighton says...
12:40pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Quite a funny story in itself (I too had a mental picture of that Simpsons episode where a swindler tries to sell a monorail to the town).

But then I laughed even more when I read about the involvement of seeda and certain characters who are also featured in another of today's Argus features - take a look at the "Business Quango" story.

buzzer, brighton says...
1:08pm Mon 23 Jul 07

mark wrote:
more nonsense, how can it run along the front? in bad weather you get pebbles thrown up on the pavements to derailing or not running in bad weather, 30mph is going to see people killed. how funny to connect 3 dead losses, the marina is dead outside of weekends, and shoreham is full of banjo players,who would want to go to shoreham? as for king alfred,excluding good weather no one will go once the novelty wears off.
yeah. Ridiculous idea. Who's ever heard of a train running along Brighton's coast? Certainly not the VOLKS on here anyway.

Alan, Hove says...
1:31pm Mon 23 Jul 07

God, this town is truly full of cynics, and people who are intent on turning England into the world's largest theme park to the 19th century. I can already hear the "if it's not Regency, it's rubbish" brigade getting out the war drums and the chequebooks to insure that this plan is quashed under spurious uses of ancient law (the West Pier) or due to miswording (Falmer Stadium).

It seems like every time there is a plan to do anything in this town (and I say TOWN specifically as these people are holding back any type of city potential) a certain minority who for some reason (££) have far more clout than numbers, start howling.

The worst thing is, people who actually live here and have to work for a living are held hostage to these old attitudes at the expense of common sense. Thus we put up with a town centre that is clogged with cars (and with people demanding more parking feet from their destinations), falling down old buildings that have outlived their purposes but can't be redeveloped at all due to overbearing conservation rules, a falling down leisure centre, and a rusty hulk in the sea.

I am not saying that the town should be razed and rebuilt, but let's have common sense and look at these things without being overly worried about the "Past" and "Regency Splendor" as the only markers of whether or not a project should be done. Nostalgia is great, but where would it be without some progress?

Brian, Hove says...
2:06pm Mon 23 Jul 07

If the route connects the Marina and Kemptown to Brighton Station and then back the other way towards Hove and Shoreham, it could be the best thing to happen to this city. What we have now are slow bus routes made worse by too many cars on the road, and the South Coast train route line is overcrowded during rush-hour.
This would even encourage commuters to move further afield than the station perimeters of Brighton and Hove, where fewer and fewer can afford to live.

Gary, Hove says...
2:16pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Alan wrote:
God, this town is truly full of cynics, and people who are intent on turning England into the world's largest theme park to the 19th century. I can already hear the "if it's not Regency, it's rubbish" brigade getting out the war drums and the chequebooks to insure that this plan is quashed under spurious uses of ancient law (the West Pier) or due to miswording (Falmer Stadium). It seems like every time there is a plan to do anything in this town (and I say TOWN specifically as these people are holding back any type of city potential) a certain minority who for some reason (££) have far more clout than numbers, start howling. The worst thing is, people who actually live here and have to work for a living are held hostage to these old attitudes at the expense of common sense. Thus we put up with a town centre that is clogged with cars (and with people demanding more parking feet from their destinations), falling down old buildings that have outlived their purposes but can't be redeveloped at all due to overbearing conservation rules, a falling down leisure centre, and a rusty hulk in the sea. I am not saying that the town should be razed and rebuilt, but let's have common sense and look at these things without being overly worried about the "Past" and "Regency Splendor" as the only markers of whether or not a project should be done. Nostalgia is great, but where would it be without some progress?
Well said Alan!

Gary, Hove says...
2:20pm Mon 23 Jul 07

jim wrote:
The questions so far go the heart of what matters here. Would people use a monorail along this route? If there was demand for this route, you would imagine an enterprising business would tap into all those potential customers. Brighton and Hove Buses has a good track record of providing a bus service where there's a profit to be made. The fact it doesn't serve the proposed monorail route is a reliable indicator of the lack of demand. This suggests the initial £20 million would be better spent on alternatives. Our roads need to be better and we need more parking closer to the places people want to go. Labour spent a fortune making it harder to get around our town and harder to park. New buildings seem to be permitted as long as they don't provide enough parking for the traffic they will generate in the hope that fewer people will drive to and from these places. The Tories could save £20 million and insist developers provide at least enough parking. Those of us who drive need to look at greener technology in cars, chances to use the bus more and opportunities to cycle or walk more. A monorail will be a waste of our council tax and a waste of council staff's time.
Hillarious argument regarding demand for transport along the seafront.
Have you heard about the Black Rock and i360 developments? Do you realise how many people they will draw? What about the TWO Marina schemes, and new King Alfred leisure centre? Factor in all the new homes at both of these landmarks, and there you have it. Demand.

Iain, Brighton says...
2:22pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Couldn't we go for a modern tram system linking the marina to the harbour, to the station, to the new stadium.. to anywhere much more easily, cheaply and more likely to get built?

Ian, Shoreham says...
2:36pm Mon 23 Jul 07

It needs to extend into Shoreham itslef linking new Marina/Housing developments on the old post Office Site and the proposed new bridge to Shoreham beach.

The whole seafront from the Marina to Shoreham needs regeneration, it is tired tacky and rusting

Septicman, Brighton says...
2:39pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Alan, you would think the Prescott Falmer letter was mis-worded only if you haven't read it. It will be interesting to see how the Govt. try and frig the decision this time without the support of the erroneous stuff, because there wasn't much else.

Monorail? Sounds good to me. Although I'd prefer trams like Blackpool or Croydon, maybe less intrusive on the view, and perhaps the trams could go elsewhere other than just the seafront. In order to create a joined up transport plan, the monorail/tram should at least go to the railway station. It could then take the soccer fans to Sheepcote or Shoreham, two sites turned down by the inspector for the stadium because of "transport issues".

Chris Keene, Brighton says...
2:39pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Ed wrote:
This City can't even get a non offending stadium built in a run down area. A mono rail is a tad ambitious for the nimbys I would imagine
Define 'run down'? Not wishing to turn this in to another stadium topic, but, as has been said before, while this may be the best location for a new stadium, those who live locally have a right to appeal it. Added to this, the stadium is very close to the border of another district council, that district council has to represent the views of those who live in that area. This is unfortunate, but no ones fault. Lewes and falmer are only doing what they have a right to do.

NIMBYs love to oppose simple things like housing developments and improvements, so opposing a large stadium (which has the *potential* to bring trouble and disruption) actually seems more reasonable.

Septicman, Brighton says...
2:41pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Everyone is a NIMBY. It's just a question of about what.

David, Brighton says...
2:54pm Mon 23 Jul 07

WHAT THIS CITY NEEDS IS A PROPER TRAM SYSTEM. ASK ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN A CITY WITH TRAMS AND ALL YOU WILL HEAR IS PRAISE.
FACT: RELYING ON PETROL POWERED VEHICLES IS NOT VIABLE LONG TERM.
FACT: TRAMS ARE A MUCH GREENER FORM OF TRANSPORT.
FACT: TRAMS ARE A MUCH SAFER THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF LAND TRANSPORT.
FACT: WHEN THE PETROL IS ALL GONE, SO ARE THE BUSSES, TAXIS, CARS, VANS, etc etc.
A SYSTEM LIKE THIS WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO BUILD AND CAUSE A LOT OF DISRUPTION, BUT IT WILL LAST FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE ELECTRICITY. SURELY AS A CITY WE SHOULD BE THINKING BEYOND THE IMINENT FUTURE AND LOOKING AT WHAT WILL HELP THIS CITY THRIVE IN A VERY UNCERTAIN FUTURE.

Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
3:32pm Mon 23 Jul 07

David, did you miss the part that says "It is the greenest form of transport apart from getting on a bike"

John, Brunswick says...
3:33pm Mon 23 Jul 07

As there is no government money for trams, the monorail is the next best proposal. But yes, it absolutely must go to Brighton Station as well as west and east along the seafront, as the 'bus-based rapid transport' was supposed to. Otherwise it will form no part of the city's future transport network.

Ideally it would also go beyond the Marina to Saltdean so as to provide an alternative to the tailbacks at the Rottingdean crossroads.

Stu, brighton says...
3:42pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Monorail, tram, co-hesive transport along the seafront brilliant idea. But will we be able to look into fatboy/Zoe/Heather M's front room, too? They look into mine when they walk round town!

dotty dave, marina says...
3:44pm Mon 23 Jul 07

there used to be a dotto train at brighton marina about 10 years ago, can't they just re-instate that, it was a fun ride and had about 10 seats which should do the trick!

David, Brighton says...
3:53pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Paul wrote:
David, did you miss the part that says \\\"It is the greenest form of transport apart from getting on a bike\\\"
Paul
Did you miss the part that is that Monorail and Trams are the same but run on a different track!!!!
The point I am trying to make is that 1 new link along the seafront is no where near enough to what will be needed when the Oil is all gone, as it definatly will be. The monorail also would not be compatible if and when the trams get (re)built. Surely we need to be thinking beyond the present as far as transport is concerned.
By the way, I always ride to work, but actually, walking is greener, you forget wear and tear to the bike!

Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
4:11pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Maybe there is a size issue to consider? I would like to see all the plans before making my mind up.

I have obviously missed the crucial point, but it doesn't specify what energy source is to be used for the monorail? Why do we need trams?

Walking is greener, unless you wear leather soles of course!

dave, sompting says...
4:16pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Dave wrote:
Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail! What'd I say? Ned Flanders: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: What's it called? Patty+Selma: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail! Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud... Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud. Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend? Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend. Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs? Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs. Abe: Were you sent here by the devil? Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level. Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can. Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man. I swear it's Springfield's only choice... Throw up your hands and raise your voice! All: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: What's it called? All: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: Once again... All: Monorail! Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken... Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken! All: Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! Homer: Mono... D'oh!
I call the big one bitey.

David, Brighton says...
4:20pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Well..
Trams can be built into existing roadways and once built share the road with existing traffic. Also it can go all over the city up all the main trunk routes etc. Its fast and reliable yet quiet and safe. The Monorail is more of a tourist thing really isnt it. what we need is answers to the forthcoming problems of transport, unless you know of any other way, trams are the answer. The trams in Manchester and Croydon are very succesful.
I also have visions of the Monorail being closed during the winter months when the high winds would simply blow it off its track.

Mike, Hove says...
4:58pm Mon 23 Jul 07

If it does get the green light, I hope the council looks at the developer's credentials more closely than they did with Karis and the King Alfred development. Karis seem to be virtually bankrupt as reported in the latest Private Eye (Rotten Boroughs p14 )See also the BrightonLivewire forum.

mark, btn says...
5:46pm Mon 23 Jul 07

buzzer wrote:
mark wrote: more nonsense, how can it run along the front? in bad weather you get pebbles thrown up on the pavements to derailing or not running in bad weather, 30mph is going to see people killed. how funny to connect 3 dead losses, the marina is dead outside of weekends, and shoreham is full of banjo players,who would want to go to shoreham? as for king alfred,excluding good weather no one will go once the novelty wears off.
yeah. Ridiculous idea. Who\'s ever heard of a train running along Brighton\'s coast? Certainly not the VOLKS on here anyway.
yes perhaps you would explain why it takes afew weeks evey year to repair storm and clear the pebbles off the VOLKS LINE!!! strange it only runs when its dry.

ben, brighton says...
6:09pm Mon 23 Jul 07

i can understand where it would go from the marina to the pier as its wide, but further on its so narrow you would have to take a lane out from the road making the traffic even worse.

richard, hove says...
6:10pm Mon 23 Jul 07

jim wrote:
The questions so far go the heart of what matters here. Would people use a monorail along this route? If there was demand for this route, you would imagine an enterprising business would tap into all those potential customers. Brighton and Hove Buses has a good track record of providing a bus service where there's a profit to be made. The fact it doesn't serve the proposed monorail route is a reliable indicator of the lack of demand. This suggests the initial £20 million would be better spent on alternatives. Our roads need to be better and we need more parking closer to the places people want to go. Labour spent a fortune making it harder to get around our town and harder to park. New buildings seem to be permitted as long as they don't provide enough parking for the traffic they will generate in the hope that fewer people will drive to and from these places. The Tories could save £20 million and insist developers provide at least enough parking. Those of us who drive need to look at greener technology in cars, chances to use the bus more and opportunities to cycle or walk more. A monorail will be a waste of our council tax and a waste of council staff's time.
This is to provide a link between lots of new developments planned for the seafront like the 600 million pound transformation of the marina, around 2000 new homes will go there, then the new arena at black rock, then the new brighton centre/churchill square development, which will have more residential apartments, then moving onto the king alfred where 900 homes are to be built, and finally shoreham harbour where 6000 homes are to be built. So of course there will be demand, maybe not at the moment but most certainly in the future.

Alan, Hove says...
6:12pm Mon 23 Jul 07

yes perhaps you would explain why it takes afew weeks evey year to repair storm and clear the pebbles off the VOLKS LINE!!! strange it only runs when its dry

Before WWI, the Volks ran year-round and was an intergrated part of transport in Brighton. To be fair, it really was only moving people along the seafront, but it was able to run in all weather. Changing demographics in the Twenties led to it being scaled back to weekends off season, then eventually only in the summer.

The 130-odd year old line can't be expected to be able to put up with things like pebbles and the like because some of the operating cars in everyday use in the summer are well over 100 years old.

Further, the Volks cannot be extended because it is a listed monument (I think Grade 1!) and by its very design requires the track to be segregated (110VDC third rail).

A monorail however, would not have ANY of these problems at all.
This is a very bad case of comparing apples and oranges!

SM, says...
7:05pm Mon 23 Jul 07

So they reckon they can build that in the same time it will take them to "restore" the bandstand ????

caeos, says...
7:09pm Mon 23 Jul 07

now its simply not true that the Ar'gus and the council work together to write these stories, get us to respond to them and then use our comments to write a follow up. Pie in the sky..

Roger the Shoe Designing Guitarist, Shoreham says...
7:12pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Those are not banjos, they're Paul Reed Smiths. And we can play them. Shoreham is so much more pleasant than Brighton. That's why new restaurants are continuing to open and do well. It's amusing that you seedy Brightonians think Shoreham people will want to go to the squalid Brighton Marina, or the chewing-gum strewn Brighton town centre, when the monorail traffic will obviously be coming the other way - people wanting to get out of the god-forsaken third-world hole that Brighton is becoming. Can we also make it clear that the entrance to "Shoreham Harbour" is in Hove (actually)as most Brighton media types, never having been further than the King Alfred, seem to think that this is Shoreham. It most definitely is NOT.

SM, says...
7:20pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Roger, MacD's and KFC frequented by inbred chav types are NOT restaurants. See....that's just the problem with Shoreham, and Shoreham people. Idiots.

Acheron, Hove says...
7:48pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Isn't there a simpler answer than putting in a monorail.

I would have thought that if B&H wants to be seen as a city for the future the answer would be transport pads a la Star Trek.

On a serious note, I've yet to be convinced of it's need over it's gimmick status.

I'll look forward to reading about the backhanders in Private Eye.

Alex, Brighton says...
8:30pm Mon 23 Jul 07


Further, the Volks cannot be extended because it is a listed monument (I think Grade 1!) and by its very design requires the track to be segregated (110VDC third rail).


Then why not have a tram/monorail system that that continues from the Volks railway, but is seperate.
That would save a couple of million pounds.

richard, hove says...
8:48pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Roger the Shoe Designing Guitarist wrote:
Those are not banjos, they're Paul Reed Smiths. And we can play them. Shoreham is so much more pleasant than Brighton. That's why new restaurants are continuing to open and do well. It's amusing that you seedy Brightonians think Shoreham people will want to go to the squalid Brighton Marina, or the chewing-gum strewn Brighton town centre, when the monorail traffic will obviously be coming the other way - people wanting to get out of the god-forsaken third-world hole that Brighton is becoming. Can we also make it clear that the entrance to "Shoreham Harbour" is in Hove (actually)as most Brighton media types, never having been further than the King Alfred, seem to think that this is Shoreham. It most definitely is NOT.
Shoreham is a suburb of Brighton & Hove, nothing else, people will always want to travel to the centre of the city, and with this monorail it will mean quicker access into the city centre for people in the western suburbs.
excellent news all round.

Roger the Shoe Designing Guitarist, Shoreham says...
9:04pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Oh perfect - my point, I believe. No, you're absolutely right - Brighton is MUCH nicer than Shoreham could ever be. Please, ignore me - stay where you are, you'd hate it here, we're all mindless junk food consuming - no, cannibalistic - loony banjo-picking chavs - best stay right away (what was I thinking - we'd never get a table anywhere!)

richard, Hove says...
9:33pm Mon 23 Jul 07

I quite like Shoreham actually, but saying Shoreham is nicer than Brighton is just like saying Wimbledon is nicer than London,
Shoreham is a part of the city which is just run by a different council (adur) that's all, for example Salford in Manchester isn't run by Manchester city council it is run by Salford council but is still a part of Manchester.
City council boundaries mean nothing.

mark, brighton says...
9:52pm Mon 23 Jul 07

hopefully this link will keep out the interbreds from shoreham, squel like a pig boy.

bill, chalet by the sea says...
10:31pm Mon 23 Jul 07

I also have visions of the Monorail being closed during the winter months when the high winds would simply blow it off its track.

exactly --pie in the sea etc: reclaiming the beach is not the way forward. Using the car-park (a.k.a. Madeira Drive) for its proper purpose would be better viz: a route from Palace Peir to Black Rock..........