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Brighton launches bid to ban plastic bags

6:51am Friday 19th October 2007

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By Richard Gurner »

City leaders last night declared war on waste by launching a bid to ban plastic bags from Brighton and Hove.

Councillors voted overwhelmingly to turn the city into a plastic bag-free zone by ordering retailers not to hand them out.

Members from across the political divide joined forces to tell the Government they wanted the city to be the first in the country to have an outright ban on the plastic carrier.

Originally members were asked to put their voices to a motion for the council's chief executive to write to the Department for Environment , Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) demanding a 20p tax on every plastic bag, as they have in the Republic of Ireland.

But instead the authority decided to lobby the Government, the city's three MPs and the Local Government Association for an outright ban on bags.

Green councillor Amy Kennedy put forward the original bid for a levy on each bag.

Speaking before the meeting she said: "We welcome national and local action on the issue but we believe firmer action is required.

"We want the Government to look at the effects of introducing a levy, which has been done with great success in Ireland.

"We are also calling on all retailers in the city to follow the example of those who offer reusable bags to their customers, such as the North Laine Traders Association who have recently launched a sustainable bag."

Her motion was rejected by councillors who opted for a much tougher stance by backing a motion from Tory councillor Maria Caulfield to ban plastic bags.

Councillor Caulfield said: "This sends a clear message to consumers, retailers that plastic bags are not good for the environment."

The final vote to pass the motion was unanimous with Labour group leader Gill Mitchell adding: "We support any move to bring about some action on this issue."

Coun Kennedy did express disappointment at calls for an outright ban as she felt the system of 'polluter pays' would be more effective, but still voted for the final motion.

She said: "Within our city there are moves afoot to promote reusable bag schemes but we do need to look at other countries where they have made serious efforts to put a tax on plastic bags or to ban them."

Annually an estimated 17.5 billion plastics bags are given away nationally by supermarkets - enough to cover the combined area of London, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle and West Yorkshire.

An estimated 3.5 million bags a year are distributed in Brighton and Hove alone.

Each bag can take anything between 400 and 1,000 years to break down and rot away. In Britain at least 200 million bags end up as waste on beaches, streets and parks every year.

European waste directives require the UK to reduce the amount of waste sent to landfill by more than half by 2013 and to around a quarter of the current level by 2020.

Other directives also aim to minimise the amount of waste generated at source by imposing rules to ensure packaging can easily be recycled.

Peter Stocker, of the North Laine Traders Association, welcomed the move.

Mr Stocker said: "The association launched its own fairtrade bags early this week and believe that we need to cut down on the number of plastic bags used.

"We need to get people to think about this and even a small charge makes you think, 'Do I really need a bag?'"

British consumers use an estimated 10bn plastic bags - 167 per person - a year, according to Defra but the Government remains opposed to a ban or levy.

Early this year it struck an agreement with business bosses under which retailers voluntarily promised to cut back on bags by a quarter by the end of 2008, potentially reducing annual carbon dioxide emissions by 58,500 tonnes - equivalent to taking 18,000 cars off the road for a year.

Ireland introduced a "plastax" of about 30 cents (20p) on each bag in 2002 since when there has been a 90 per cent reduction in use.

A Defra spokeswoman said the tax had led to people buying more plastic bin liners, which were even worse than carrier bags.

To highlight the issue Brighton and Hove City Council has organised a plastic bag-free day for early next year.

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publiceye, brighton says...
7:48am Fri 19 Oct 07

Good idea, but I'll believe the intent when I stop seeing Brighton Conference Delegates (including Local/Central Government & Political Party related) not wandering round the town/city with their sponsored plastic bags full of promotional freebies.

Virgil, Ditchling Road says...
8:26am Fri 19 Oct 07

"We want the Government to look at the effects of introducing a levy, which has been done with great success in Ireland.”

Yes please, let’s also emulate the Irish in making unlawful traveller encampments a criminal offence. We have much to learn from them in this respect. In this country, Irish travelers are deemed a distinct and separate racial group, effectively a protected species. In Ireland, they are Irish citizens with no special racial privileges:

“Irish Travellers are an indigenous Irish community with a shared history of a nomadic way of life and cultural identity. Some of the bodies representing Travellers claim that members of the community constitute a distinct ethnic group. The exact basis for this claim is unclear. However, the Government of Ireland accepts the right of Travellers to their cultural identity, regardless of whether the Traveller community may be properly described as an ethnic group. The Government is committed to applying all the protections afforded to ethnic minorities by the CERD equally to Travellers. As outlined in Ireland’s Report under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Travellers in Ireland have the same civil and political rights as other citizens under the Constitution and there is no restriction on any such group to enjoy their own culture, to profess and practise their own religion or to use their own language. The Government’s view is that Travellers do not constitute a distinct group from the population as a whole in terms of race, colour descent or national or ethnic origin.”


Freddie, Brighton says...
8:44am Fri 19 Oct 07

So then why is the council no longer taking plastic bags for recycling ?? I think the official reason back then was they discovered they were being recycled in most homes for other purposes. Presumably Coun. Caulield will ban sales and use of cars too in Brighton & Hove, as they're "bad for the environment", and alternative forms of transport exist. This is a completely ridiculous, hysterical and ill-conceived measure. As for the shops themselves, why not force them to use candles instead of all that electrical lighting ?Concentrate on what you were elected to do, and sort out the city's many problems. Encourage people to act responsibly and stop seeking to impose political diktat worthy of a Stalinist government, rather than a Conservative-led council. Do we know if there is a bag force planned to search out would-be offenders ???

eldirc, hove says...
8:44am Fri 19 Oct 07

So instead of re-using the plastic carriers for our rubbish every day - we use a black plastic sack everyday - not a good idea. Many flats have communal bins and refuse has to be securely wrapped before putttng in the bin - a bag is ideal - a sack a day is a waste - so where is the saving.

Freddie, Brighton says...
8:58am Fri 19 Oct 07

How right you are (again!) Virgil. If we want to talk about environmental pollution, perhaps Coun. Caulfield would like to let us know her proposals to prevent all the filth which is currently being left by traveller groups around the city, eg up the Ditchling Road ? Surely dropping litter at least is an offence ? So why isn't the Council taking action on this environmental problem and for which punitive legislation is already in place ? The Council could also be lobbying to stop these groups trespassing, as I believe is now a crime in Ireland. It's about time the Argus carried out an in-depth investigation of the council's serious failings in this area.

TJW, Brighton says...
9:10am Fri 19 Oct 07

As far as I know Carrier bags are a legal product.

I'd be interested to see how a town council can 'Ban' them.

I'm sure it would end up in court with the Council loosing..

safa, says...
9:52am Fri 19 Oct 07

In South Africa, a so-called 'third world' country, they stopped shops from handing out plastic bags a good few years ago, and the difference is incredible. Even just driving along motorways, the lack of ugly bags blown up against fences and in bushes is marked. There, you can buy strong cloth bags from shops, to be used until they fall apart! Great idea, if they can do it there, it should be easy to do it here.

Sue, Hove says...
10:01am Fri 19 Oct 07

What about clothes?
Are we supposed to put expensive dresses in ordinary shopping bags?
It is just another ruse to say Brighton and Hove is green - yet businesses and council waste more in unwanted lighting, wasted heating, unnnecessary advertising.
Why does the council not ban unwanted leaflets put thorugh our letter boxes every day advertising yet another fast food restaurant charging exorbitant prices for chemicals. Leaflets from estate agents asking me to sell my property through them so they can make a gross profit. Stop importing goods from Asia - we are inundated with merchandise from Asia. That would help more than banning plastic bags.

FUBAR, Brighton says...
10:04am Fri 19 Oct 07

It will certainly save me money because as I don't carry a bag with me everywhere so no more impulse buys, how would I carry it home. I imagine store takings will go down as how many bags will you have to carry round with you everywhere in case you want to buy something but have no bags left to put it in.

M, Hove says...
10:41am Fri 19 Oct 07

What about biodegradable carrier bags offered by some supermarkets? It seems a lot so peole re-use them for rubbish, perhaps encouraging the use of biodegradable bags would be more appropriate than a ban, which is un-workable and ill-conceived.

sue, hove says...
11:04am Fri 19 Oct 07

biodegradable plastic bags made from corn starch already exist, are available and used solely in some eco towns why not make them compulsory if a shop wants to hand out plastic bags. winner all round, except the council wont get their tax mmmmmmmm. why do we need expensive time consuming consultations, i do not think anyone would mind a simple swap over from un biodegradable plastic bags to biodegradable plastic bags, and if the shops want to absorb the cost or charge for the bags it is up to them. solved simple, goodbye gordon brown.

Mr Magoo, Up a gum tree says...
11:07am Fri 19 Oct 07

Oh great, what are the dog walkers going to pick up their dog excrement with now ? Oh yeah I forgot, they don't pick up do they !!!

CS, Brighton says...
11:15am Fri 19 Oct 07

I think it is a good idea. Other European countries have introduced this a long time ago. I recently went to Ireland where they introduced not handing out plastic bags in supermarkets and was told people were up in arms about it at first, but quickly got used to it. You can still get plastic bags there if you pay for them. We'll all just have to get used to it!!!

Jason, 7 Dials says...
11:59am Fri 19 Oct 07

I cant belive the **** cheek of these councilors - who on earth do they think they are ? Ordering people to do things - they are taking the **** yet again.
Sack them.

Bok, Third World Dials says...
12:01pm Fri 19 Oct 07

safa wrote:
In South Africa, a so-called \'third world\' country, they stopped shops from handing out plastic bags a good few years ago, and the difference is incredible. Even just driving along motorways, the lack of ugly bags blown up against fences and in bushes is marked. There, you can buy strong cloth bags from shops, to be used until they fall apart! Great idea, if they can do it there, it should be easy to do it here.
A third world country ? where on earth did you get that from. You may want to watch the Rugby World Cup tom night !

nick, hove says...
12:16pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Great idea! Those bleating about the council "ordering" people around seem to forget the benefit it will have to our living conditions in the city and the planet. And as for Eldirc using a black bag a day, perhaps you need to consider recycling some of your rubbish? Grow up people, it doesn't take much to carry your own shopping bags, it works in other countries. Stop whinging and get on with it!

Terry, brighton says...
12:22pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Will be an excellant foil for shoplifters. These idiots at the council really need to get a life and look at motor emmissions form their vehicles that dispose of waste and the buses that polute and rip Brighton residents off

gilo, oxford says...
12:28pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Brighton is not the first city in England to try this - city leaders in Oxford tried to make the city a plastic bag-free city earlier this year.

Neil, Hove says...
12:37pm Fri 19 Oct 07

I have to agree with Nick, what a great idea. Terry, you seem to have missed the point here somewhat. We all have to do our bit to help and this is a great start along that road. We need to get people thinking about how they live their lives and not automatically taking a plastic bag from a shop may get people thinking about other environmental issues as well.

As for your comment on the buses, it's pretty laughable really. So you want us all to travel around with one of 2 people per car.....wake up and smell the coffee, it smells quite nice.

Brian, Brighton says...
12:43pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Another stupid idea with little thought to consequence but i expect they have to do something to prove their worth and highly paid salary. Stop all those flyers that come through the letter box every day I say!!

Darryl, Kemp Town says...
1:00pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Why not just change from plastic bags to paper ones? As far as I know, paper is recyclable.

Stu, Hove says...
1:33pm Fri 19 Oct 07

I use plastic carrier bags as bin liners for my kitchen bin... so now I will have to go out and buy plastic bin bags instead... just how does that make this more eco-friendly?

Laura, Kemp Town says...
1:34pm Fri 19 Oct 07

sue wrote:
biodegradable plastic bags made from corn starch already exist, are available and used solely in some eco towns why not make them compulsory if a shop wants to hand out plastic bags. winner all round, except the council wont get their tax mmmmmmmm. why do we need expensive time consuming consultations, i do not think anyone would mind a simple swap over from un biodegradable plastic bags to biodegradable plastic bags, and if the shops want to absorb the cost or charge for the bags it is up to them. solved simple, goodbye gordon brown.
And so say all of us!

Felicity, Brighton says...
1:54pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Mr Magoo wrote:
Oh great, what are the dog walkers going to pick up their dog excrement with now ? Oh yeah I forgot, they don't pick up do they !!!
I use nappy sacks for dog mess when walking them but use plastic bags for the garden dog pooh. This ban is an impulsive, ill-considered move with no viable alternative being offered - most of us reuse plastic bags effectively. My old council provided biodegradable plastic sacks for our wheelie bins. Outright ban rather suggests we can't even take plastic bags with us to shop. I have the perfect answer - let's shop elsewhere... Seriously, if they can't use bags (inc ones useful for advertising their shops), people will buy less and businesses will suffer.

Boy Named Sue, La La Land says...
2:05pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Ban unwanted leaflets? Think about the poor children of Mile Oak-without those leaflets they won't know where to go for their meals.

RECYCLE THEM YOU STUPID WOMAN.

Care in the Community has a lot to answer for.........

Boy Named Sue, La La Land says...
2:08pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Stu wrote:
I use plastic carrier bags as bin liners for my kitchen bin... so now I will have to go out and buy plastic bin bags instead... just how does that make this more eco-friendly?
Because when you pay for something you are less likely to be wasteful? Right now you get free garbage bags-do you worry about how many you use?


puddingandpi, brighton says...
2:19pm Fri 19 Oct 07

It's all fine & well to ban plastic bags, but I use them & so do other people I know. We use them to put our cat-litter in to dispose of it. We'll have to go out & buy some now.

Pat Mustard, Craggy Island says...
2:35pm Fri 19 Oct 07

I will start worrying about my tiny carbon footprint and use recycled plastic bags just as soon as China stops building more power stations than any other country and India stop burning all their rubbish at the end of their streets. My flight will go anyway, if I am on it or not. It will fly regardless of if my carbon tax is paid. And what happens to this extra tax? do we release more 'good' particles into the atmosphere?

The people in charge of this country just want to look 'green' as it is currently trendy to do so and they think it will win them votes. Why does everyone who gets a little bit of power suddenly think they should change as much as possible to make a name for themselves without thinking about the consequences or viable alternatives?

And why oh why does every little idea, no matter how poorly thought through have to have a test run in this City? The council can barely manage the basics without a new initiative to manage every five minutes.

Darren, Brighton says...
2:36pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Plastic bags from shops are used to advertise that particular shop. Therefore, those organisations will suffer without promotion. Everyone I know uses plastic bags to line bins...recycling in its most primitive form. We don't need to have plastic bags banned, we need people to use them in a better way. Those people who toss them out into the street, or just throw them away, are just plain stupid. As for not being bio-degradeable, well, some are, and some aren't. Make them all bio-degradeable, as a slightly higher cost to the shop, and then we'd not have to worry about it so much.

Steve Williams, Hove says...
2:43pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Seems ironic to me that there is this move to clamp down on plastic bags when we have black-plastic bin bags ripped apart by all and sundry animals creating a mess on the streets because there is no other provision for storing the waste in some areas.

Green for the animals, way out west says...
4:35pm Fri 19 Oct 07

An idea of how long plastic and other debris takes to break down in the environment
Paper towel 2-4 weeks
A cigarette butt can last for 12 years
Styrofoam cup 50 years
Plastic bottle 450 years
Monofilament fishing net 600 years
Plastic bag 400 - 1000 years

Of the 500,000 Laysan albatross chicks born on Midway Atoll (Hawaii) each year, about 200,000 die, mostly from dehydration or starvation. A two-year study funded by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency showed that chicks that died from those causes had twice as much plastic in their stomachs as those that died for other reasons. The report, "Plastic Debris in the World's Oceans," by international environmental group Greenpeace, said at least 267 marine species are known to have suffered from entanglement or ingestion of marine debris. An estimated 1 million seabirds choke or get tangled in plastic nets or other debris every year.

In the marine environment plastic bag litter is lethal, killing at least 100,000 birds, whales, seals and turtles every year. After an animal dies from ingesting plastic bags, its body decomposes and the plastic is released back into the environment where it can kill again. On a beach in Cairns, Australia, a Bryde's whale died on after ingesting 6 square metres of plastic - including plastic bags.

Stephen, Hove says...
4:38pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Anything for a headline eh? Charlatans the lot of them.
Is this the same BHCC that have bought into the dinosaur technology of incineration and 'waste transfer' at Hollingdean??? I have stopped recycling as a result of that disgraceful decision and will not be starting again. In fact I am going to use more plastic bags then ever before. After all, someone has to keep the burner burning or Veolia might go bust, and then where would we all be?

Ex pat canuck, vancouver says...
5:40pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Don't confuse re-using with re-cycling!! The bags still take for ever to de-compose, regardless of content. Most of our superstores now sell sturdy re-usable bags for a small sum, made from plastic pop bottles. These can be put out with the other re-cyclables, in the weekly Blue Box when they are worn out. I have had mine for months now, and they are still going strong. It's an idea that is catchimg on quickly.

barbara, Brighton says...
7:22pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Has anybody asked the Seagulls for their permission? And if this is the sum total of the Council's week at the office it's time they all took up knitting.

asda plastic bag, hollingbury bush says...
9:21pm Fri 19 Oct 07

that's right pick on us bags why don't you. we may be as light as feather, and blow about in the wind. but we have feelings as well you know!!!

Terry, Brighton says...
10:48pm Fri 19 Oct 07

I have to agree with Pat Mustard. It is a ridiculous idea when China is building 2 coal fired power stations every week. Neil wake up and smell the polution, it ain't gonna stop by banning the bag.

S, Sussex says...
11:46pm Fri 19 Oct 07

Why stop at plastic bags? Plastic in all its multivarious forms is terrible for the environment and should be banned for exactly that reason. The world would be a better place for it.

But I suggest that the very first plastic items that need to be banned in Brighton & Hove are PLASTIC 'Wannabe' POLITICIANS with their tawdry, gimmicky, plastic and polystyrene politics.

Plasy Bag, Floating Around says...
12:10am Sat 20 Oct 07

I too am a plastic bag and find this whole discussion quite distressing. I think it's wholly unfair that people are more concerned with their future generations rather than mine.

Dianne, says...
7:44am Sat 20 Oct 07

It's all good and fine to want to ban plastic bags. But will we be given alternative bags for free? I doubt that very much! Is this another money making scheme in the process?

David Ansell, Lancing says...
9:29am Sat 20 Oct 07

You & the Council use the word 'ban' as if it applies now. What is the current legal position. Maybe you should use the words 'propose to ban'

john Williams, brighton says...
10:27am Sat 20 Oct 07

Headline grabbers.
What nonsense.

Richard, Brighton says...
10:43am Sat 20 Oct 07

David Ansell wrote:
You & the Council use the word 'ban' as if it applies now. What is the current legal position. Maybe you should use the words 'propose to ban'
The clue's in the headline and the start of the article where it says, 'Brighton launches bid to ban plastic bags.'

Stephen Watson, Kemptown says...
11:02am Sat 20 Oct 07

Baning plastic bags and dealing with other pressing issue are not mutually exclusive - we can consider emission reduction, reducing electricity use etc. AND get rid of plastic bags. And to counter every single suggestion that we put our own house in order by using the tired excuse that China is building two power stations a week is just childish - it's like saying "Why should I tidy my bedroom when my brother's bedroom is such a mess"? Are you really suggesting, as you seem to be using that logic, that not one single country on Earth should do anything at all about it's environmental issues unless China stops doing 'Activity XYZ'?

And for your domestic waste, buy biodegradable bin bags when you need them. And why are you generating so much waste that you're putting out a bag a day?! Think about: Reduce, reuse and recycle in that order.

When I was younger and went shopping for my Gran she didn't give me plastic bags and I didn't expect or receive them when I got the groceries. They came in paper or went straight into her cloth bag or trolley. Can't people these days conceive of their shopping going into anything other than a plastic bag. Sue asked earlier on this thread "Are we supposed to put expensive dresses in ordinary shopping bags?" - Well do you really think that no woman ever bought an expensive dress before plastic bags were invented? You are surely joking...

safa, Brighton says...
3:00pm Sat 20 Oct 07

Thank you Steven! A bit of common sense! It amazes me that so many people are not prepared to take any personal responsibilty at all!

Bag Lover Pensioner, The Gyratory says...
2:58am Sun 21 Oct 07

I can't afford to buy bin liners so supermarket bags are a godsend. The nanny state heads in the sand councillors should have their arses recycled

pob, hove says...
6:39pm Sun 21 Oct 07

Biodegradable plastic bags,free or maybe for sale at a few pence each?

And proper reusable bags for the hardcore greensters,and people like me who actually give a sh1t about the state of the planet.

Thats the only viable and realistic option.Go to any supermarket in the city and you can see most people just use masses of the free bags on offer,so you can only presume that most people dont really care about green issues,politicians/c
ouncillors are supposed to represent this selfish majority unfortunately,so compulsary biodegradable bags is probably the only realistic option.

corner shop, bob says...
6:49pm Sun 21 Oct 07

Can anyone seriously imagine the thousands of asian shopkeepers forking out the extra few pence for a thousand biodegradable bags?

Haha ..I'll believe that when I see it,not bloody likely!!

Theylle be getting 'biodegradable bag copies' 'just as good but cheaper! (but also not biodegradable ..whoops)'

thank you,come again!

DW, Devon says...
8:13pm Sun 21 Oct 07

Of course, Modbury in Devon was the first to do this.

Andy, Preston Park says...
8:36pm Sun 21 Oct 07

How many times have I heard "I will when China do".. "My flight will go whether I am on it"... people are so happy to believe they are not part of the problem. With their as their defence they point toward a huge country which is going through very rapid development from a very poor, repressed culture.. into a modern super power. China is aware of it's environmental issues but it also recognises it has a few more pressing things to worry about.. like feeding the population. People living in comfortable western lives cannot use China as their moral barometer. The chinese people are also following very quickly on the heels of America - seeing it as a culture to admire, so they want big cars.. and convenience food is everywhere.. Mc Donalds and KFC everywhere. They are following the lead of us in the 1st world and if we can't be bothered to look after the environment - why would they?

As for the ridiculous comments about people *needing* plastic bags, did we as a race not manage a few years ago? I remember paper bags from the supermarket, and drinks in glass bottles... how have we taken this step backward to relying on a material which is hard to recycle. Re-use oh yes that other great excuse.. It's okay to have a cupboard full of bags, because you wrap your waste (food/dog/nappy) in it... Wonderful.. IT TAKES UPTO 1000YRS to break down. This re-use is terrible, you are committing it to landfill. 1000 years, 3.5million bags given out in Brighton per year.. and they take 1000 years to decompose.. the maths isn't hard! We will run out of landfill space in 9 years.. so then what are we going to do...?

Everyone needs to take account of their own impact, and leave the world in as good a state(or better) than they found it... Leaving if polluted and abused because of our demanding disposable lifestyle is shameful.
Stop hiding behind convenient excuses and do your bit - or even a bit more - to make up for the Luddites who will never care about anything but themselves.

clairewadd, paris says...
2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 07

Hi Andy, I agree wholeheartedly, just a question what do you personally use for bin bags? I'm trying to figure out what's better than reusing shopping bags-should I be purchasing bin bags? Is it better for the environment? I can't seem to find the answer anywhere

Andy, Preston Park says...
4:36pm Mon 29 Oct 07

I guess it depends on your situation and what your waste is. I wrap waste up in newspaper, and take it out daily. I don't have a garden as otherwise I would compost. If you are buying bags, go for something like Ecover compost bags. They are the 'best of a bad bunch'. Hopefully if this ban makes it to reality - retailers will be giving nice paper grocery bags from renewable sources.. which will provide us with bio-d waste bags.

James Bell, Aberdour, Scotland says...
3:04pm Sun 4 Nov 07

Great idea. I am running a petition for an envrionmental levy on bags in Scotland. People of Brighton please sign it! http://epetitions.sc
ottish.parliament.uk
/view_petition.asp?P
etitionID=188

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