Hollingbury gets wiped off the map (From The Argus)
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Hollingbury gets wiped off the map
2:30pm Tuesday 2nd February 2010 in
Bemusement has spread through a city suburb after the area was wiped off the electoral ward map.
Hollingbury, which is home to more than 2,500 Brighton residents and the headquarters of The Argus, has had its name axed from Brighton and Hove City Council's official list of constituencies.
People in the neighbourhood are baffled by the controversial decision – particularly because it came from a council consultation designed to make its wards more representative.
Hollingbury Residents Association chairman Peter Arnott-Job said: "People in Hollingbury are a little bit bewildered.
"People have been working quite hard over the last few years within the community to build its identity, and this doesn't help us."
Barmaid Jane Mansfield, from the County Oak Pub, in County Oak Avenue, Hollingbury, added: "It isn't fair at all, why shouldn't Hollingbury be included?"
The decision to scrap the name was taken by the council at a meeting last week.
Until last year there was a ward called Hollingbury and Stanmer which, confusingly, did not include the actual Hollingbury neighbourhood. The council changed its name to Hollingdean and Stanmer to make it more accurate.
As a result people in Hollingbury and local councillors asked for the name of Patcham ward, which actually contains the community, to be changed to Patcham and Hollingbury.
The proposal was supported by Labour and Liberal Democrats but voted out by the Conservatives on the council, while Green councillors abstained.
Council staff had recommended it should be refused after a consultation of the 14,000 residents in the ward showed 39 were in favour of the change while 63 were against.
Patcham Conservative councillor Geoffrey Theobald, who lives in the neighbouring Withdean ward, spoke against changing the long-established name.
The decision will not affect people in Hollingbury's right to vote, or any other council services, but has upset residents.
Councillor Jeane Lepper, who argued in favour of its inclusion, said: "A lot of the ward names used were set by the boundary commission 30 or 40 years ago and haven't changed when the boundaries have subsequently changed. A lot don't represent the areas very well now."
At the same meeting the council agreed to change the name of the Stanford ward in Hove to Hove Park, to make it easier for residents to identify the area.
Comments(41)
Charismatic Andrew
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3:28pm Tue 2 Feb 10
GreenGiant
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3:49pm Tue 2 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:What a great idea, then us people from Whitehawk and Moulescombe won't have to be associated with d*cks like you!! (:
It's probably for the best.... now can we wipe out Whitehawk and Moulescombe too?
tom servo
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3:57pm Tue 2 Feb 10
GreenGiant wrote:oohhhh..... a bit touchy aren't we.
tom servo wrote: It's probably for the best.... now can we wipe out Whitehawk and Moulescombe too?What a great idea, then us people from Whitehawk and Moulescombe won't have to be associated with d*cks like you!! (:
Haven't you got a benefit cheque to cash or something.
smegbuster
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4:50pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Charismatic Andrew wrote:As a Hollingbury resident, this is the first I have heard of this. Perhaps the low response is representative of the low number of ward residents consulted? I find it hard to believe that they can have consulted all 14,000 residents if only about 100 have responed. Although, to tell the truth, I'm used to people thinking Hollingbury is part of Patcham!
For goodness sake. It's no use being bemused and bewildered now. If you were that bothered you should have encouraged more than 39 people to respond in favour of the change. I couldn't care less about the name so I didn't respond to the consultation. I suspect other people couldn't care less either.
Andy R
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5:01pm Tue 2 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:Bit of an epic fail on the "I am going to demonstrate my moral and intellectual superiority to Scoomers and Hawkers" mission there.......
GreenGiant wrote:oohhhh..... a bit touchy aren't we. Haven't you got a benefit cheque to cash or something.tom servo wrote: It's probably for the best.... now can we wipe out Whitehawk and Moulescombe too?What a great idea, then us people from Whitehawk and Moulescombe won't have to be associated with d*cks like you!! (:
Andre Spooner
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5:33pm Tue 2 Feb 10
It all turned out fine in the end, thankfully. We took a brief ramble and found outselves upon Ditchling Beacon where my Mighty Horse had an enjoyable battle with a Mighty Hawk. It was drama worthy of Shakespeare. For joy! For joy and Spooner! Bravo! Bravo! Spooner rides again!
Wow, my security word was "Geoffrey-Theobald"! That's surprising.
scthetruth
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6:15pm Tue 2 Feb 10
stan bailey
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7:10pm Tue 2 Feb 10
scthetruth wrote:Agree, what happens to hollingbury camp? Better still; save money and amalgamate back with east sussex
Better for outlying areas to split from B&H and become part of Lewes District Council or Wealden. The centre is full of unwelcome newcomers anyhow. Not true Brightonians.
pbbrighton
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7:13pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Get it right Argus!!!
Gaz the great
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7:45pm Tue 2 Feb 10
TheInsider
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7:49pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Do keep up if you are going to crow or show off.
yorkie44
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8:26pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Gaz the great
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8:55pm Tue 2 Feb 10
yorkie44 wrote:They should listen, as we pay their wages. Did they really ask all the residents of the area involved, as everyone I have spoken to from Hollingbury knew nothing about this until today. They may indeed listen but can they speak or communicate?
Another good example of how the council policy of listening to the views of residents is working well!!!!
Gaz the great
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9:17pm Tue 2 Feb 10
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christophe Hawtree
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9:52pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Andre Spooner wrote:It's good news that the Mighty Horse was able to get some fresh air. Meanwhile, the strangest ward name is Rottingdean Coastal, which is partly 'represented' by Cllr David Smith, who lives elsewhere. This ward in fact includes Saltdean, Ovingdean and, what's more, reaches as far as an influential part of Kemp Town. It deserves a more accurate name. The Greens came second there last time, without any particular push. What could happen next time now that there has been the troubling matter of the Duel threat? Residents could, understandably, hope for a return to democratic procedures in the area rather than being expected to splash out on an epee or two in these hard times.
This caused me a great deal of confusion just the other afternoon. I
set off upon my Mighty Horse to see some of the sights that Hollingbury
has to offer. When I came to a slightly unfamiliar crossroads, I asked
my horse to pass me the trusty Ordinance Survey map. Just imagine our
collective shock when we discovered there was no spot on the map to
mark where Hollingbury should be. Instead there was a great
greenish-purple mark that could possibly have been caused by the
spilling of some unusual treacle. Even with the use of sturdy and
redoubtable cleaning products, we were unable to find out if
Hollingbury was in fact ever there. It all turned out fine in the end,
thankfully. We took a brief ramble and found outselves upon Ditchling
Beacon where my Mighty Horse had an enjoyable battle with a Mighty
Hawk. It was drama worthy of Shakespeare. For joy! For joy and Spooner!
Bravo! Bravo! Spooner rides again!
Wow, my security word was "Geoffrey-Theobald"! That's surprising.
stan bailey
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7:10am Wed 3 Feb 10
Andre Spooner wrote:You should have tried Hollingbury camp it has been there for ages, since the iron age I think. Admittedly it is on the Hollingbury golf course, and I doubt your horse would be welcome with his big feet on the causeway
This caused me a great deal of confusion just the other afternoon. I set off upon my Mighty Horse to see some of the sights that Hollingbury has to offer. When I came to a slightly unfamiliar crossroads, I asked my horse to pass me the trusty Ordinance Survey map. Just imagine our collective shock when we discovered there was no spot on the map to mark where Hollingbury should be. Instead there was a great greenish-purple mark that could possibly have been caused by the spilling of some unusual treacle. Even with the use of sturdy and redoubtable cleaning products, we were unable to find out if Hollingbury was in fact ever there.
It all turned out fine in the end, thankfully. We took a brief ramble and found outselves upon Ditchling Beacon where my Mighty Horse had an enjoyable battle with a Mighty Hawk. It was drama worthy of Shakespeare. For joy! For joy and Spooner! Bravo! Bravo! Spooner rides again!
Wow, my security word was "Geoffrey-Theobald"! That's surprising.
Charismatic Andrew
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9:03am Wed 3 Feb 10
tom servo
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10:13am Wed 3 Feb 10
Andy R wrote:lol.. yes I take your point. However due to the lack of response I fear my statement may have been accurate.
tom servo wrote:Bit of an epic fail on the "I am going to demonstrate my moral and intellectual superiority to Scoomers and Hawkers" mission there.......GreenGiant wrote:oohhhh..... a bit touchy aren't we. Haven't you got a benefit cheque to cash or something.tom servo wrote: It's probably for the best.... now can we wipe out Whitehawk and Moulescombe too?What a great idea, then us people from Whitehawk and Moulescombe won't have to be associated with d*cks like you!! (:
Cass
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10:21am Wed 3 Feb 10
Can the council tell us why it was decided to scrap the name and why they are happy to do so on the result of what seems poor response to their consultation, and what consultation? I did not receive information and if, as someone has posted, it could be found in City News, don't you have to get one to read it. What of those who don't get it or don't read it.
What is Hollingbury going to be called now or have I missed that?
tom servo
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12:50pm Wed 3 Feb 10
Cass wrote:More than often residents will see any letter that says "to the occupier" and throw it in the bin... then claim they never recieved anything. The Council can only go on the responses they get back. If people can't be bothered or throw it away then it's not really the fault of the council is it.
The decision to scrap the name was taken by the council at a meeting last week. Can the council tell us why it was decided to scrap the name and why they are happy to do so on the result of what seems poor response to their consultation, and what consultation? I did not receive information and if, as someone has posted, it could be found in City News, don't you have to get one to read it. What of those who don't get it or don't read it. What is Hollingbury going to be called now or have I missed that?
Granny
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1:27pm Wed 3 Feb 10
Txa
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2:58pm Wed 3 Feb 10
I'm please with the name change though.
Gaz the great
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5:29pm Wed 3 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:Did they receive letter-I know an awful lot of people who live there who did not receive any corrospondents regarding this matter.
Cass wrote: The decision to scrap the name was taken by the council at a meeting last week. Can the council tell us why it was decided to scrap the name and why they are happy to do so on the result of what seems poor response to their consultation, and what consultation? I did not receive information and if, as someone has posted, it could be found in City News, don't you have to get one to read it. What of those who don't get it or don't read it. What is Hollingbury going to be called now or have I missed that?More than often residents will see any letter that says "to the occupier" and throw it in the bin... then claim they never recieved anything. The Council can only go on the responses they get back. If people can't be bothered or throw it away then it's not really the fault of the council is it.
GreenGiant
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6:14pm Wed 3 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:Reason for lack of response is I've got better things to do then wait for a response.. like go out with mates and get jacuzzied (drunk) and then deal with a hangover before work tomorrow (Thursday). I'm afarid you are wrong, when I was on the jam roll it went into my bank account and now seeing as i have a job (a tax paying job mind) that does the same of course. So I'm sorry but you wasn't accurate with me per say but you was with a fair number of Brighton & (&) Hove citizens.
Andy R wrote:lol.. yes I take your point. However due to the lack of response I fear my statement may have been accurate.tom servo wrote:Bit of an epic fail on the "I am going to demonstrate my moral and intellectual superiority to Scoomers and Hawkers" mission there.......GreenGiant wrote:oohhhh..... a bit touchy aren't we. Haven't you got a benefit cheque to cash or something.tom servo wrote: It's probably for the best.... now can we wipe out Whitehawk and Moulescombe too?What a great idea, then us people from Whitehawk and Moulescombe won't have to be associated with d*cks like you!! (:
tom servo
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9:47am Thu 4 Feb 10
GreenGiant wrote:Yes a great many Brighton and Hove citizens who disproportionately live in these areas... but I digress. Anyway, pleased for you that you're not on the dole anymore.
tom servo wrote:Reason for lack of response is I've got better things to do then wait for a response.. like go out with mates and get jacuzzied (drunk) and then deal with a hangover before work tomorrow (Thursday). I'm afarid you are wrong, when I was on the jam roll it went into my bank account and now seeing as i have a job (a tax paying job mind) that does the same of course. So I'm sorry but you wasn't accurate with me per say but you was with a fair number of Brighton & (&) Hove citizens.Andy R wrote:lol.. yes I take your point. However due to the lack of response I fear my statement may have been accurate.tom servo wrote:Bit of an epic fail on the "I am going to demonstrate my moral and intellectual superiority to Scoomers and Hawkers" mission there.......GreenGiant wrote:oohhhh..... a bit touchy aren't we. Haven't you got a benefit cheque to cash or something.tom servo wrote: It's probably for the best.... now can we wipe out Whitehawk and Moulescombe too?What a great idea, then us people from Whitehawk and Moulescombe won't have to be associated with d*cks like you!! (:
MKWirral
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10:23am Thu 4 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:On the contrary, if mail was forwarded, and simply addressed 'to the occupier', then indeed it is the fault of the council ....
Cass wrote: The decision to scrap the name was taken by the council at a meeting last week. Can the council tell us why it was decided to scrap the name and why they are happy to do so on the result of what seems poor response to their consultation, and what consultation? I did not receive information and if, as someone has posted, it could be found in City News, don't you have to get one to read it. What of those who don't get it or don't read it. What is Hollingbury going to be called now or have I missed that?More than often residents will see any letter that says "to the occupier" and throw it in the bin... then claim they never recieved anything. The Council can only go on the responses they get back. If people can't be bothered or throw it away then it's not really the fault of the council is it.
You see, in today's World, local councils have the details of every single resident. It is 2010, and the technological age and 'Big Brother' has been in existence for some considerable time now.
With this in mind the council should be mailing any household, within the confines of the Borough, and addressing the communiqué directly to the head of that household ....
This smacks of the council realising that there would be apathy if they simply depersonalised any attempts made through consultation.
tom servo
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1:17pm Fri 5 Feb 10
MKWirral wrote:Actually you are probably refering to the electrol role or Countil tax list.... which many departments have been told they cannot use for legal reasons. Which is why much of the corrispondance is addressed "to the occupier"
tom servo wrote:On the contrary, if mail was forwarded, and simply addressed 'to the occupier', then indeed it is the fault of the council .... You see, in today's World, local councils have the details of every single resident. It is 2010, and the technological age and 'Big Brother' has been in existence for some considerable time now. With this in mind the council should be mailing any household, within the confines of the Borough, and addressing the communiqué directly to the head of that household .... This smacks of the council realising that there would be apathy if they simply depersonalised any attempts made through consultation.Cass wrote: The decision to scrap the name was taken by the council at a meeting last week. Can the council tell us why it was decided to scrap the name and why they are happy to do so on the result of what seems poor response to their consultation, and what consultation? I did not receive information and if, as someone has posted, it could be found in City News, don't you have to get one to read it. What of those who don't get it or don't read it. What is Hollingbury going to be called now or have I missed that?More than often residents will see any letter that says "to the occupier" and throw it in the bin... then claim they never recieved anything. The Council can only go on the responses they get back. If people can't be bothered or throw it away then it's not really the fault of the council is it.
MKWirral
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2:19pm Fri 5 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:Actually, it has nothing to do with either the electoral roll or the council tax ....
MKWirral wrote:Actually you are probably refering to the electrol role or Countil tax list.... which many departments have been told they cannot use for legal reasons. Which is why much of the corrispondance is addressed "to the occupier"tom servo wrote:On the contrary, if mail was forwarded, and simply addressed 'to the occupier', then indeed it is the fault of the council .... You see, in today's World, local councils have the details of every single resident. It is 2010, and the technological age and 'Big Brother' has been in existence for some considerable time now. With this in mind the council should be mailing any household, within the confines of the Borough, and addressing the communiqué directly to the head of that household .... This smacks of the council realising that there would be apathy if they simply depersonalised any attempts made through consultation.Cass wrote: The decision to scrap the name was taken by the council at a meeting last week. Can the council tell us why it was decided to scrap the name and why they are happy to do so on the result of what seems poor response to their consultation, and what consultation? I did not receive information and if, as someone has posted, it could be found in City News, don't you have to get one to read it. What of those who don't get it or don't read it. What is Hollingbury going to be called now or have I missed that?More than often residents will see any letter that says "to the occupier" and throw it in the bin... then claim they never recieved anything. The Council can only go on the responses they get back. If people can't be bothered or throw it away then it's not really the fault of the council is it.
Major organisations, and many not so major organisations, all have access to a central bank of information on every single household nationwide ....
If you were unaware of this, then where have you been hiding these last fifteen years or so?
If you are not aware of political strategy within any council across the country, then it might help you to delve a little into how we, the general public, and I am not limiting that title to these shores either, are constantly being conned by the powers that be, so that we might believe in something that is pure fantasy ....
tom servo
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3:48pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Spanners
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4:08pm Fri 5 Feb 10
MKWirral
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7:08pm Fri 5 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:I am amazed .... but then perhaps not, that many of the public should have their heads buried firmly into the sands.
Absolutely not aware of it... please do tell more with proof that the Council can use this nationwide database.
Please do not tell me that you have never had a cold caller on the telephone, or a circular that is addressed to you without you knowing how your details were obtained?
If you have never received either then you must live in the Arctic.
There is a central computerised bank with everyone's information on it, and despite 'Spanners' stating that it has a 'dubious existence', it does exist, and is used by many companies to make contact with you.
Councils do not require permission to utilise these details, because they assist in compiling them in the first place.
The proof is in the next cold caller to contact you .... ask where they obtained your details, you have a perfect right to know.
Sigh! You'll be telling me that you believe all the political fodder surrounding Global Warming next.
tom servo
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2:52pm Sat 6 Feb 10
MKWirral wrote:That's not proof that Council departments are privy to such a database... that's just you sounding off..... and it speaks volumes.
tom servo wrote: Absolutely not aware of it... please do tell more with proof that the Council can use this nationwide database.I am amazed .... but then perhaps not, that many of the public should have their heads buried firmly into the sands. Please do not tell me that you have never had a cold caller on the telephone, or a circular that is addressed to you without you knowing how your details were obtained? If you have never received either then you must live in the Arctic. There is a central computerised bank with everyone's information on it, and despite 'Spanners' stating that it has a 'dubious existence', it does exist, and is used by many companies to make contact with you. Councils do not require permission to utilise these details, because they assist in compiling them in the first place. The proof is in the next cold caller to contact you .... ask where they obtained your details, you have a perfect right to know. Sigh! You'll be telling me that you believe all the political fodder surrounding Global Warming next.
MKWirral
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6:26pm Sat 6 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:Sounding off??? .... really??
MKWirral wrote:That's not proof that Council departments are privy to such a database... that's just you sounding off..... and it speaks volumes.tom servo wrote: Absolutely not aware of it... please do tell more with proof that the Council can use this nationwide database.I am amazed .... but then perhaps not, that many of the public should have their heads buried firmly into the sands. Please do not tell me that you have never had a cold caller on the telephone, or a circular that is addressed to you without you knowing how your details were obtained? If you have never received either then you must live in the Arctic. There is a central computerised bank with everyone's information on it, and despite 'Spanners' stating that it has a 'dubious existence', it does exist, and is used by many companies to make contact with you. Councils do not require permission to utilise these details, because they assist in compiling them in the first place. The proof is in the next cold caller to contact you .... ask where they obtained your details, you have a perfect right to know. Sigh! You'll be telling me that you believe all the political fodder surrounding Global Warming next.
Well if that is what you believe then I would rather be doing that than being totally blind and ignorant as you most certainly are.
You should get out more and get a life, because you do not have a clue about anything.
tom servo
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9:31pm Sat 6 Feb 10
MKWirral wrote:How dare you... you have no idea of what my vocation is or how much I know about local politics... and I would wager it's a great deal more than you. So go back to your little sheltered life and keep reading the daily mail. People like you who spout off about subjects they know nothing of make me sick.
tom servo wrote:Sounding off??? .... really?? Well if that is what you believe then I would rather be doing that than being totally blind and ignorant as you most certainly are. You should get out more and get a life, because you do not have a clue about anything.MKWirral wrote:That's not proof that Council departments are privy to such a database... that's just you sounding off..... and it speaks volumes.tom servo wrote: Absolutely not aware of it... please do tell more with proof that the Council can use this nationwide database.I am amazed .... but then perhaps not, that many of the public should have their heads buried firmly into the sands. Please do not tell me that you have never had a cold caller on the telephone, or a circular that is addressed to you without you knowing how your details were obtained? If you have never received either then you must live in the Arctic. There is a central computerised bank with everyone's information on it, and despite 'Spanners' stating that it has a 'dubious existence', it does exist, and is used by many companies to make contact with you. Councils do not require permission to utilise these details, because they assist in compiling them in the first place. The proof is in the next cold caller to contact you .... ask where they obtained your details, you have a perfect right to know. Sigh! You'll be telling me that you believe all the political fodder surrounding Global Warming next.
And if you insist on a retort.... at the very least show some real evidence for the drivel you write.
MKWirral
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11:08pm Sat 6 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:How dare I?
MKWirral wrote:How dare you... you have no idea of what my vocation is or how much I know about local politics... and I would wager it's a great deal more than you. So go back to your little sheltered life and keep reading the daily mail. People like you who spout off about subjects they know nothing of make me sick. And if you insist on a retort.... at the very least show some real evidence for the drivel you write.tom servo wrote:Sounding off??? .... really?? Well if that is what you believe then I would rather be doing that than being totally blind and ignorant as you most certainly are. You should get out more and get a life, because you do not have a clue about anything.MKWirral wrote:That's not proof that Council departments are privy to such a database... that's just you sounding off..... and it speaks volumes.tom servo wrote: Absolutely not aware of it... please do tell more with proof that the Council can use this nationwide database.I am amazed .... but then perhaps not, that many of the public should have their heads buried firmly into the sands. Please do not tell me that you have never had a cold caller on the telephone, or a circular that is addressed to you without you knowing how your details were obtained? If you have never received either then you must live in the Arctic. There is a central computerised bank with everyone's information on it, and despite 'Spanners' stating that it has a 'dubious existence', it does exist, and is used by many companies to make contact with you. Councils do not require permission to utilise these details, because they assist in compiling them in the first place. The proof is in the next cold caller to contact you .... ask where they obtained your details, you have a perfect right to know. Sigh! You'll be telling me that you believe all the political fodder surrounding Global Warming next.
You have no idea about politics, you are purely pretentious in the extreme ....
Your sad references to my presumed lifestyle and assumed reading habits indicate that you would totally fail to impact on any respectable part of society ....
You demand evidence for something that is staring you in the face .... that says it all!!
PittaPatta
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9:22am Sun 7 Feb 10
I concur with MKWirral, there is a centralised database of information on us all. I say this from first hand experience, and quite frankly am completely dumbfounded that anyone with even the very slightest experience of working within the public domain should consider challenging the validity of it’s existence.
tom servo
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11:10am Sun 7 Feb 10
MKWirral wrote:ha ha.... I would love you to come work with me for a week.... your misguided opinions would change drastically. No point in argueing with you anymore.... you know **** all.
tom servo wrote:How dare I? You have no idea about politics, you are purely pretentious in the extreme .... Your sad references to my presumed lifestyle and assumed reading habits indicate that you would totally fail to impact on any respectable part of society .... You demand evidence for something that is staring you in the face .... that says it all!!MKWirral wrote:How dare you... you have no idea of what my vocation is or how much I know about local politics... and I would wager it's a great deal more than you. So go back to your little sheltered life and keep reading the daily mail. People like you who spout off about subjects they know nothing of make me sick. And if you insist on a retort.... at the very least show some real evidence for the drivel you write.tom servo wrote:Sounding off??? .... really?? Well if that is what you believe then I would rather be doing that than being totally blind and ignorant as you most certainly are. You should get out more and get a life, because you do not have a clue about anything.MKWirral wrote:That's not proof that Council departments are privy to such a database... that's just you sounding off..... and it speaks volumes.tom servo wrote: Absolutely not aware of it... please do tell more with proof that the Council can use this nationwide database.I am amazed .... but then perhaps not, that many of the public should have their heads buried firmly into the sands. Please do not tell me that you have never had a cold caller on the telephone, or a circular that is addressed to you without you knowing how your details were obtained? If you have never received either then you must live in the Arctic. There is a central computerised bank with everyone's information on it, and despite 'Spanners' stating that it has a 'dubious existence', it does exist, and is used by many companies to make contact with you. Councils do not require permission to utilise these details, because they assist in compiling them in the first place. The proof is in the next cold caller to contact you .... ask where they obtained your details, you have a perfect right to know. Sigh! You'll be telling me that you believe all the political fodder surrounding Global Warming next.
tom servo
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11:26am Sun 7 Feb 10
PittaPatta wrote:Then perhaps you can provide some evidence that this database can be utilised by every department in the Council (as was the original point). You wont be able to because I know for a fact it's not true.... but good luck trying.
Before all sanity is lost. I concur with MKWirral, there is a centralised database of information on us all. I say this from first hand experience, and quite frankly am completely dumbfounded that anyone with even the very slightest experience of working within the public domain should consider challenging the validity of it’s existence.
PittaPatta
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12:59pm Sun 7 Feb 10
tom servo wrote:I think that whether or not the council does have access is totally irrelevant.
PittaPatta wrote: Before all sanity is lost. I concur with MKWirral, there is a centralised database of information on us all. I say this from first hand experience, and quite frankly am completely dumbfounded that anyone with even the very slightest experience of working within the public domain should consider challenging the validity of it’s existence.Then perhaps you can provide some evidence that this database can be utilised by every department in the Council (as was the original point). You wont be able to because I know for a fact it's not true.... but good luck trying.
The fact of the matter is that any council should communicate with the electorate in a personal manner, and not treat them as either a number or mere ‘occupier’.
The method of communication utilised in the above instance is one that might easily lead to ‘manufacturing’ of the poor response, and in this case it quite obviously has.
This is politics at it's worst, and why the general public is very often misguided and misrepresented by those in 'power'.
Marian Lau
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4:53pm Mon 8 Feb 10
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2:51pm Tue 2 Feb 10