IT'S rather dispiriting when men and women who are supposedly advocates of business seem to have forgotten what their role is.

On Sunday morning Andrew Marr gave two such people the opportunity to help him make sense of the news and sadly they completely fluffed it.

Like two roses sitting either side of the thorn that is Sun journalist Jane Moore, there was Carolyn Fairbairn, director general of the CBI, and John Longworth, chairman of Vote Leave business council and former director general of the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC).

Although it is inevitable that Longworth would bring his Vote Leave point of view, having earned a great deal from his work at BCC it would not have been unreasonable for him to remember his former constituents.

It was clear from their invitation together that business was one element of the debate that they shared common ground.

However they both seemed unable to do any more than suggest things post Brexit will be better and in John's case he was keen to point out that in his view, businesses were talking down the economy.

One of the other guests on the show, Philip Hammond, was just as useless in telling us that he was not willing to lay out any of the objectives for the Brexit settlement, apart from getting the best for Britain which is about as useful as telling us that storm Angus was bringing rain and wind.

All of us are impacted by the currency changes and our suppliers are sending regular price updates thanks to that vote in June.

Things are not as turbulent as Angus, but vague words are completely useless.

Ian Chisnall blogs at: ianchisnall.wordpress.com.