Dangerous junction is even worse thanks to the Greens

Part of the Vogue Gyratory System

Part of the Vogue Gyratory System

First published in Letters

I have always regarded The Vogue Gyratory as one of the most dangerous junctions I have come across.

I thought no one could make it worse. That was before the Greens came along!

They use cycle lanes as impediments for motorists (and bus passengers in Lewes Road).

I am surprised that no cyclists have been killed at the Coldean Lane junction – even after alterations. It can only be through the skill of motorists.

What genius comes up with the idea of a cycle lane with a bus stop on the left, where buses need to cross from, and motorists on the right needing to cut across to turn left?

Now we get this again for The Vogue Gyratory ‘improvements’!

K Upton Meyners Close Hove

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12:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

billy goat-gruff says...

They've only just started on it.. wait and see!
They've only just started on it.. wait and see! billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Joshiman says...

Mr Davey you have a lot to answer for.A mess isnt it?.Same goes for Edward St.Car lane suddenly ends and you have to cross to the bus lane by the traffic lights.As the song goes"There will be trouble ahead"
Mr Davey you have a lot to answer for.A mess isnt it?.Same goes for Edward St.Car lane suddenly ends and you have to cross to the bus lane by the traffic lights.As the song goes"There will be trouble ahead" Joshiman
  • Score: 38

10:37pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Gribbet says...

Must take a lot of skill to not kill people with your car. Congratulations and well done!
Must take a lot of skill to not kill people with your car. Congratulations and well done! Gribbet
  • Score: -52

8:22pm Mon 8 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
They've only just started on it.. wait and see!
Well said...........but this IS an Argus forum where the brain-dead like to post before knowing whether these projects are actually beneficial or not!!
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: They've only just started on it.. wait and see![/p][/quote]Well said...........but this IS an Argus forum where the brain-dead like to post before knowing whether these projects are actually beneficial or not!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -25

8:23pm Mon 8 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

Gribbet wrote:
Must take a lot of skill to not kill people with your car. Congratulations and well done!
Like it!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Must take a lot of skill to not kill people with your car. Congratulations and well done![/p][/quote]Like it! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -23

12:27pm Tue 9 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

You must never criticise the saintly wonderful perfect green administration.
You must never criticise the saintly wonderful perfect green administration. NickBrt
  • Score: 30

2:30pm Tue 9 Sep 14

charlie smirke says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
They've only just started on it.. wait and see!
Well said...........but this IS an Argus forum where the brain-dead like to post before knowing whether these projects are actually beneficial or not!!
None of their previous money wasting projects have been beneficial so it's fair to assume that this one will be another disaster.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: They've only just started on it.. wait and see![/p][/quote]Well said...........but this IS an Argus forum where the brain-dead like to post before knowing whether these projects are actually beneficial or not!![/p][/quote]None of their previous money wasting projects have been beneficial so it's fair to assume that this one will be another disaster. charlie smirke
  • Score: 28

2:53pm Tue 9 Sep 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Wow these green morons like Gribbet and Bluenose are really nasty, arrogant aggressive b**tards - just like their paymasters

Roll on 2015 and this lot will be consigned to the dustbin of history for ever!
Wow these green morons like Gribbet and Bluenose are really nasty, arrogant aggressive b**tards - just like their paymasters Roll on 2015 and this lot will be consigned to the dustbin of history for ever! Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 33

7:26pm Tue 9 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

Gribbet, Bluenose and Horatio Jarrs- if the green party faithful could be likened to a compost heap, and I think it can, then these three are the biggest weeds growing out if it.

The arrogance and bile of these weeds would even make Alex Salmond seem charming.

Yesterday Horatio claimed that the greens were still very much the party focussed on the environment and stated that the green's policy of 20 mph zones, cycle lanes, bus lanes, pro-cycling, pro-bus and anti-car had improved the pollution levels in the city.

I asked Horatio to provide a link to the data that supported his claims, but he refused, sating that I never read the 200 page PDF files he references, and told me to find the data myself on the council web site, so I did. What I found was this:

The council have been introducing 20mph zones since April 2013 (excluding the clue-less Portslade trial) so comparing the 2013 figures with the 2012 figures should show reductions in pollution levels in Phase 1 streets looking at 2013/2013 and no reduction in Phase 2 sites.

Of the 56 sites included in both 2012 and 2013, 29 showed increased pollution levels and 27 showed less (i.e. no overall change).

Since 2010 (i.e. when the greens took charge of the transport committee) the median pollution level at monitored sites is basically unchanged with the biggest improvement happening in 2011, which I recall is before any of the ‘safer streets’ policies promoted by the greens were implemented.

The worst increases in pollution levels for 2013 over 2012 are all in those included in the new phase 1 20mph zones which confirms that the greens have indeed caused the increase in pollution levels by their incompetent ideological anti-car pro-bike pro-bus policies.

This just goes to show their weeds will lie through their teeth to support that loathesome party. It would not surprise me that any and all claims made by their fanboys are just fabrication and spin.

Roll on May 2015!
Gribbet, Bluenose and Horatio Jarrs- if the green party faithful could be likened to a compost heap, and I think it can, then these three are the biggest weeds growing out if it. The arrogance and bile of these weeds would even make Alex Salmond seem charming. Yesterday Horatio claimed that the greens were still very much the party focussed on the environment and stated that the green's policy of 20 mph zones, cycle lanes, bus lanes, pro-cycling, pro-bus and anti-car had improved the pollution levels in the city. I asked Horatio to provide a link to the data that supported his claims, but he refused, sating that I never read the 200 page PDF files he references, and told me to find the data myself on the council web site, so I did. What I found was this: The council have been introducing 20mph zones since April 2013 (excluding the clue-less Portslade trial) so comparing the 2013 figures with the 2012 figures should show reductions in pollution levels in Phase 1 streets looking at 2013/2013 and no reduction in Phase 2 sites. Of the 56 sites included in both 2012 and 2013, 29 showed increased pollution levels and 27 showed less (i.e. no overall change). Since 2010 (i.e. when the greens took charge of the transport committee) the median pollution level at monitored sites is basically unchanged with the biggest improvement happening in 2011, which I recall is before any of the ‘safer streets’ policies promoted by the greens were implemented. The worst increases in pollution levels for 2013 over 2012 are all in those included in the new phase 1 20mph zones which confirms that the greens have indeed caused the increase in pollution levels by their incompetent ideological anti-car pro-bike pro-bus policies. This just goes to show their weeds will lie through their teeth to support that loathesome party. It would not surprise me that any and all claims made by their fanboys are just fabrication and spin. Roll on May 2015! G Wiley
  • Score: 19

8:41pm Tue 9 Sep 14

Bill in Hanover says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
They've only just started on it.. wait and see!
Well said...........but this IS an Argus forum where the brain-dead like to post before knowing whether these projects are actually beneficial or not!!
People aren't brain dead for criticiising the Greens for changing the gyratory they are just fed up with the changes that have gone before this and few, if any, of the changes have been to anyone's benefit apart from cyclists. A bus lane (and obligatory cycle lane) on Edward street where the buses only travel east for about 100 yards and those going west about 200 yards, and the cycle lane, as with the Old Shoreham Road cycle lane (approximately 20 cylists a day) will hardly ever be used as cyclists including myself) prefer the seafront as it is flatter. The Greens idea to allow cyclists to go the wrong way down one way streets (which is actually illegal as the law is set by central Government NOT the local Council is dangerous as many pedestrians are unaware of this, especially as the lanes aren't marked for the whole route. and tend to step off the pavement after only checking one way.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: They've only just started on it.. wait and see![/p][/quote]Well said...........but this IS an Argus forum where the brain-dead like to post before knowing whether these projects are actually beneficial or not!![/p][/quote]People aren't brain dead for criticiising the Greens for changing the gyratory they are just fed up with the changes that have gone before this and few, if any, of the changes have been to anyone's benefit apart from cyclists. A bus lane (and obligatory cycle lane) on Edward street where the buses only travel east for about 100 yards and those going west about 200 yards, and the cycle lane, as with the Old Shoreham Road cycle lane (approximately 20 cylists a day) will hardly ever be used as cyclists including myself) prefer the seafront as it is flatter. The Greens idea to allow cyclists to go the wrong way down one way streets (which is actually illegal as the law is set by central Government NOT the local Council is dangerous as many pedestrians are unaware of this, especially as the lanes aren't marked for the whole route. and tend to step off the pavement after only checking one way. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 16

8:19am Wed 10 Sep 14

hoveguyactually says...

It is an extremely confusing and dangerous junction. Unfortunately I have had to use it several times lately and I still find it difficult to get into the correct lane. In order to avoid a crash, having realised I had picked the wrong one, I have had to drive off in another direction and then have had to find my way back.
On another occasion I found myself going round the whole thing all over again before finding the right lane to get off it. And I live here. What it must be for visitors I hate to think. The whole area is crying out for an accident to happen.
It takes a test of nerves and quick thinking to find the right lane to go from the junction to Bear Road. The layout of traffic lights and lanes is chaotic.
I was on a bus yesterday and this was held up while a lorry was parked close to the junction we had just left. We then had to wait while vehicles were struggling on the other side of the road, until the lorry moved on several yards. Buses and cars were held up, since no drivers seemed to know what they should be doing to move on.
I am not sure if this is a deliberate ploy by the Greens to confuse and infuriate motorists or just typical of their extremely low level of competence.
It was never that easy to use the junction before, but now, as with everything the Greens have had a hand in, it is an utter disaster.
It is an extremely confusing and dangerous junction. Unfortunately I have had to use it several times lately and I still find it difficult to get into the correct lane. In order to avoid a crash, having realised I had picked the wrong one, I have had to drive off in another direction and then have had to find my way back. On another occasion I found myself going round the whole thing all over again before finding the right lane to get off it. And I live here. What it must be for visitors I hate to think. The whole area is crying out for an accident to happen. It takes a test of nerves and quick thinking to find the right lane to go from the junction to Bear Road. The layout of traffic lights and lanes is chaotic. I was on a bus yesterday and this was held up while a lorry was parked close to the junction we had just left. We then had to wait while vehicles were struggling on the other side of the road, until the lorry moved on several yards. Buses and cars were held up, since no drivers seemed to know what they should be doing to move on. I am not sure if this is a deliberate ploy by the Greens to confuse and infuriate motorists or just typical of their extremely low level of competence. It was never that easy to use the junction before, but now, as with everything the Greens have had a hand in, it is an utter disaster. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 11
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