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Firefighters threaten strike action over threat to cut night-time cover in East Sussex

1:12pm Tuesday 15th January 2008

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By Ben Parsons »

Firefighters' union leaders are warning strike action could follow cuts to night-time cover at town centre stations.

East Sussex Fire Authority is meeting this week to decide whether to change crews' working hours.

But firefighters have shown unanimous opposition to the changes in talks with management.

The Fire Brigades' Union has told the authority: "Changes to shift working patterns often bring with them industrial unrest, something which the FBU in East Sussex has no desire to see.

"Around the country there have been various proposals for shift changes, and where we have seen those shift changes introduced, industrial disputes have often ensued, including ballots for strike action."

The authority is considering four options for shift patterns.

Two are designed to stop routine over-staffing by using fewer firefighters at quieter periods of the day.

Chief fire officer Des Prichard said staff consulted have been '100 per cent' against the changes, which they believed put cost-cutting before public safety.

He said: "Firefighters were very concerned about a possible reduction in emergency cover at night in the city of Brighton and Hove and Hastings.

"They described risk levels as varying and unpredictable by night and there was a sense that reducing the number of available engines at certain times and/or changing crewing from 24-hour to 12 hours would increase the potential dangers to the public.

"There is a widely held view that this and all other integrated risk management plans are aimed at making cuts to the service and that integrated risk management is solely about saving money."

The FBU's report said: "We believe that funding shortfalls lie at the root of these proposals and not life risk to East Sussex residents and visitors."

The authority's chairman, Councillor Mike Murphy, told The Argus the authority does not favour one choice ahead of the others.

He said: "We have never taken the view that there is a preferred approach. We have to consider whether we want to change it."

He said any decision made at the authority's meeting on Thursday would be followed by months of negotiation of the final details.

In the last seven years emergency calls have been higher on average between 9am and midnight than between midnight and 9am, peaking between 5pm and 9pm.

In Brighton and Hove and East Sussex, six fire stations are permanently staffed 24 hours a day.

Hove has 63 firefighters, Preston Circus in Brighton has 65, Roedean 29, Eastbourne 65, Hastings 41 and The Ridge in Ore, west of Hastings, 29.

Firefighters work two day shifts and two night shifts, then have four days off.

The stations are over-staffed to make sure if staff are ill or absent enough firefighters are still available.

The authority has put forward a variable crewing option where firefighters would not work fixed shifts as a team, but would start work individually at different times of the day.

More firefighters would be available between 10am and 10pm, and fewer overnight.

The option would mean there would not be enough staff to man all a station's fire engines at quieter times.

The authority's proposal reads: "As calls decrease after midnight, then rise after 8am, it may be more appropriate to provide sufficient crewing for some fire appliances to be available for 12 or 16 hours per day, rather than 24 hours."

An annualised hours option would mean a pre-arranged roster, with a constant number of firefighters working all the time and changes to the number of rest days firefighters get.

The third option is to keep the current shift system, which means stations are fully staffed seven days a week, 24 hours a day.

The fourth option is to combine the first three systems to utilise staff capacity more effectively.

The authority has held meetings with staff representatives at Brighton, Eastbourne and Hastings.

The authority is meeting at the Fire and Rescue Service headquarters in Upperton Road, Eastbourne, at 10.30am on Thursday.

Would you back firefighters' strike action over cuts to night-time cover? Tell us what you think below.

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Firefighter, says...
1:22pm Tue 15 Jan 08

We are not all greedy money grabbing fire fighters, I didn't get into this job 15 years ago for money, pure job satisfaction was my motivation. The new crowd of health and safety driven younger firefighters prefer the money and playing pool all night, drinking, sleeping and larking around getting paid on the night shift will eventually drain all funds. I never drove a porsche when I was a leading fireman (now fighter) look at them all now BMW, Mercs etc its just greed!

Conrerned, says...
1:42pm Tue 15 Jan 08

This isnt about greed, its about public safety

Firefighter, says...
1:54pm Tue 15 Jan 08

Conrerned wrote:
This isnt about greed, its about public safety
You telling me how to do my job you rounded short overweight useless pen pusher?

The idea is thos that live in Brighton and other large towns, they will be on call out, of course not all numbers match so there will still be staff at the fire station, however under the new initiative this will be reduced. The basic priniciple is I will be able to get to the station just as quickly as it takes the other to get up, sober up dressed etc. I will be paid to be on call, versus being paid to be on call and receive hourly pay for drinking, eating and sleeping at the station.

jaygee, arundel says...
3:57pm Tue 15 Jan 08

you know my thoughts on fire fighters if you have read my past postings but i must say where would we be without them.i would take more notice of concerned if he was able to spell.he is probably a wanna be fire fighter but couldnt get in as he is obviously dyslexic.

Jaygee petrol drinker, says...
4:06pm Tue 15 Jan 08

jaygee you cornered a fire station in Arundel and set fire to it.

Well thankfully Firefighters are trained to put out fires and not spell.

Imagine the Firefighters turn up at a factory fire and start writing poetry testing each other on spelling and grammer, shut up Jaygee, I don't give a rats A, if firefighter can't spell, it's not their job.

Dennis Firetruck, Cornwall says...
4:12pm Tue 15 Jan 08

The Firefighters say that it's all about public safety and not about the money. I can remember numerous strikes over recent years when our brave (and hugely overstretched) Armed Forces personnel had to react to totally unfamiliar fires and incidents, with the minimum of training, because the Firefighters were on strike for more money. What happened to public safety issues then? The Armed Forces personnel didn't have an option to strike, they just got on with it in a professional manner. If some people don't like their jobs and conditions perhaps they should find something else to do? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

rudeboy, in the thunderbox says...
8:14pm Tue 15 Jan 08

i have been in the fire service for over 20 years i work 2 days @9 hours each followed by 2 nights @ 15 hours each. so let me make this clear to all the mentally challenged,bitter rejected wannabe firefighters and anyone else with a grudge against public service workers when i finish my last night shift at 08.30 i have worked 8.30hrs of that day hardly a day off argus its 2 days 2 nights followed by 3 days off.these shift changes are budget led and not about providing a better service.and as for
(ha ha) firefighters
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firefighters do not sit around drinking on duty playing pool , however there are plenty of retained that do eh firefighter? few beers after drill night? few beers in the pub telling gory stories to the lads soooo sad! do you book off duty ?
i think the public would rather have firefighters on
call and on duty where our actions are monitored by our
colleagues and officers to sitting in the pub bigging myself up and driving to the local retained station by which time btw we will be at that job doing our job PROFESSIONALLY

Richie Hodgkis, Worthing says...
9:10am Thu 17 Jan 08

Rude boy your full of HP sauce. Your no firefighter at all, "rude boy" no name I've heard of.

Go play your toiling little games elsewhere.

Sad when little runts call themselves firefighters and rude boy.


rudeboy, sitting at the dock of the bay says...
10:12am Thu 17 Jan 08

think i caught a fish

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