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Cannabis-smoking mum stabbed herself to death
A mother driven insane by cannabis stabbed herself
repeatedly through the chest with a
carving knife after claiming she
was spoken to by a dog.
Julie Cross told friends the animal
was "trying to tell her something"
before picking up the 5in blade
and ramming it at least five times into
her chest and abdomen.
An inquest was told the former receptionist,
from Goring, used speed and
cannabis on a daily basis and in the
weeks running up to her death had
slashed her wrists and smeared her
blood across a crucifix and also hung a
noose from her attic.
Katie Leason, spokeswoman for mental
health charity Rethink, said the case
further proved that cannabis causes
severe mental illness. "We don't believe
there is any doubt about it now. There is
a proven link between the drug and psychosis,"
said Ms Leason.
Rhys Cotton, 20, who lived with Miss
Cross and her son Terry Greenslade, 22,
discovered her body slumped on the
floor on the morning of June 27 last
year, after his blood-stained dogs ran to
alert him as he got out of the bath.
Ms Cross, 41, suffered three fatal
puncture wounds to her lungs and liver,
the deepest of which was 4in
long with other minor superficial
knife injuries.
Mr Cotton, who called Miss Cross his
"auntie", was the only person in the
house at the time of the tragedy and was
arrested the same day on suspicion of
murder but later released.
He said during a police interview,
which was read at the inquest:
"I went upstairs and could see
into her bedroom.
"She said to me, 'I think the
dog is trying to tell me something.'
"I thought that was quite
strange. A lot of things she did I
found strange, but didn't really
think too much about it."
He added: "She would tell me
that she regularly heard voices
and would often trash the
house."
The hearing, at Worthing
Town Hall, was told that Miss
Cross, from Limbrick Lane, had
drug-induced
psychosis diagnosed in 2006.
It had led to her spending
much of her last year in and out
of the Mill View psychiatric hospital.
The inquest heard that during
what was described as a "very
difficult life" Miss Cross had
made repeated attempts on her
own life, starting at the age of 14.
She had suffered two acrimonious
divorces and on one occasion
a spurned husband had
returned to the family home
with a can of petrol and a
lighter, threatening to firebomb
the property.
Detective Chief Inspector
Steve Johns released Mr Cotton
after he gave a "full and plausible"
account of the incident.
That, coupled with Miss
Cross's history and an absence
of evidence of other third-party
involvement, led the detective
to conclude the wounds were
self-inflicted.
Pathologist Dr Robert Chapman,
who carried out a post-mortem
examination on Miss
Cross, agreed.
He told the inquest: "There
were a number of factors which
allow us to make a judgment
that is consistent with self-inflicted
injuries."
Asked if Miss Cross would
have been strong enough and
capable enough of repeatedly
stabbing herself, Dr Chapman
said: "I think somebody would
be capable of doing this. The
major wound would not have
instantly disabled her."
The coroner recorded a verdict
of misadventure, saying the
wounds could have been a "cry
for help".
Miss Cross' family and
friends told The Argus they
believe she was murdered and
would not have been able to
inflict the wounds.
After the hearing, Amanda
Cross, her sister, said: "She
hated violence and adored
Terry. She wouldn't have taken
her own life. We are not going to
let this drop."
10:49pm Tuesday 11th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Amme, Worthing on 11:32pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Drugs are wrong!
Posted by: lucy, btn on 11:47pm Tue 11 Mar 08
here we go again same old stories same old arguments. i doubt cannabis helped but i expect this lady already suffered mental health problems before she took a joint.i hope she is at peace now.
here we go again same old stories same old arguments. i doubt cannabis helped but i expect this lady already suffered mental health problems before she took a joint.i hope she is at peace now.
Posted by: ray ellerton, portslade on 11:50pm Tue 11 Mar 08
"used speed and cannabis on a daily basis" it was more likely that the speed caused her paranoia, and voices in the head. when i was a teen years ago i tried it now and again and one weekend was on it from the friday to sunday. i spent the next three days shut away in my room convinced that there were people spying on the house and wanted to get me. that was the last time i used that crap...poor woman it must have driven her insane. the cannabis was probably smoked to try and chill her out from the speed.....a far mor dodgy drug than cannabis, but we know how much spin gets put on the use of it these days! hope she has found peace now.
"used speed and cannabis on a daily basis" it was more likely that the speed caused her paranoia, and voices in the head. when i was a teen years ago i tried it now and again and one weekend was on it from the friday to sunday. i spent the next three days shut away in my room convinced that there were people spying on the house and wanted to get me. that was the last time i used that crap...poor woman it must have driven her insane. the cannabis was probably smoked to try and chill her out from the speed.....a far mor dodgy drug than cannabis, but we know how much spin gets put on the use of it these days! hope she has found peace now.
Posted by: Non Druggy, hove on 12:08am Wed 12 Mar 08
Wish the Argus would stop doing these 'false' headlines..like Cannabis smoking deaths...usually, and then admitting in the story, that there are so many other factors contrubuting to these deaths. It might make more sence if they headlined the story with 'Woman stabs herself to death' and then addd the facts.
The general impression to the average reader says 'they are trying toooo hard to blame cannabis.'and the impetus of the story is lost and the intention of trying to put people off of the drug idea is lost too, because only the rare person who reads headlines and not the rest of the story will believe this sort of journalism. Please, please Argus..stop looking for 'hack' type of headlines because it either stops the reader from being informed or makes them think you are idiots.
Wish the Argus would stop doing these 'false' headlines..like Cannabis smoking deaths...usually, and then admitting in the story, that there are so many other factors contrubuting to these deaths. It might make more sence if they headlined the story with 'Woman stabs herself to death' and then addd the facts.
The general impression to the average reader says 'they are trying toooo hard to blame cannabis.'and the impetus of the story is lost and the intention of trying to put people off of the drug idea is lost too, because only the rare person who reads headlines and not the rest of the story will believe this sort of journalism. Please, please Argus..stop looking for 'hack' type of headlines because it either stops the reader from being informed or makes them think you are idiots.
Posted by: Phil Smith, South Dakota, USA on 1:26am Wed 12 Mar 08
My goodness, what ridiculous propaganda. This is right out of Reefer Madness. I thought we were backwards in the US, but the British tabloid media is really an embarrassment.
My goodness, what ridiculous propaganda. This is right out of Reefer Madness. I thought we were backwards in the US, but the British tabloid media is really an embarrassment.
Posted by: Lonely, Kemp Town on 4:46am Wed 12 Mar 08
A dog talks to me after 12 pints of Tanglefoot - the effect wears off but it's nice to have somebody to talk to
A dog talks to me after 12 pints of Tanglefoot - the effect wears off but it's nice to have somebody to talk to
Posted by: Richard, london on 6:00am Wed 12 Mar 08
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.
Posted by: Dikki, milton keynes on 6:26am Wed 12 Mar 08
Absolutely disgusting that you can get away with such biased journalism. I do hope that some relulatory body will investigate your reporting techniques further....
Absolutely disgusting that you can get away with such biased journalism. I do hope that some relulatory body will investigate your reporting techniques further....
Posted by: humpty, the wall on 6:46am Wed 12 Mar 08
was the dog telling her to stab herself?
if so, isnt this dog liable.
was the dog telling her to stab herself?
if so, isnt this dog liable.
Posted by: lee, work on 8:03am Wed 12 Mar 08
'driven insane by cannabis' - you shoudl be very ashamed of your reporting, disgusting!!
'driven insane by cannabis' - you shoudl be very ashamed of your reporting, disgusting!!
Posted by: Aezek, Colorado, USA on 8:10am Wed 12 Mar 08
This is absurd, speed and cannabis are vastly different drugs, and claiming immediately in the headline that Cannabis is the reason she stabbed herself is simply ignorance. Amphetamines have been known to cause bouts of insane rages and hallucinations, cannabis is not the evil drug here, and shame on the persons responsible for this headline.
This is absurd, speed and cannabis are vastly different drugs, and claiming immediately in the headline that Cannabis is the reason she stabbed herself is simply ignorance. Amphetamines have been known to cause bouts of insane rages and hallucinations, cannabis is not the evil drug here, and shame on the persons responsible for this headline.
Posted by: lynn saunderson on 8:22am Wed 12 Mar 08
I was at the inquet as i new miss cross for 20 years. The article is wrong in many places and for the record Julie had no sign of drugs in the blood and and did not cut hr wrists 2 weeks before.I believe Miles needs to retract his article and an apology needs to be given to amanda cross for this miss reporting.Miles obviously was not listening to the facts.The coronor said she could not say it was suicide as no note was left.
I was at the inquet as i new miss cross for 20 years. The article is wrong in many places and for the record Julie had no sign of drugs in the blood and and did not cut hr wrists 2 weeks before.I believe Miles needs to retract his article and an apology needs to be given to amanda cross for this miss reporting.Miles obviously was not listening to the facts.The coronor said she could not say it was suicide as no note was left.
Posted by: paul, brighton on 8:29am Wed 12 Mar 08
Katie Leason of Rethink is a very silly little girl.
If this 'proves' that cannabis causes mental illness, then presumably Michael Todd throwing himself off Snowdon 'proves' that becoming a policeman causes mental illness too...
Katie Leason of Rethink is a very silly little girl.
If this 'proves' that cannabis causes mental illness, then presumably Michael Todd throwing himself off Snowdon 'proves' that becoming a policeman causes mental illness too...
Posted by: Elf, Brighton on 8:55am Wed 12 Mar 08
More sensationalist misreporting from the Argus.
This poor woman had severe psychological problems from the age of 14, and regularly took speed, which is not only a drug that has _actual_ evidence linking it to psychosis, but is also regularly laced with other destructive substances.
...and the Argus immediately links her death to the cannabis.
Cannabis was far more likely to have helped her balance herself mentally than tip her over the edge - and I should know.
This paper regularly takes tragic events like this and spins the facts (heard of those, Mr. Godfrey?) in this irresponsible manner. It's sloppy, lazy and dishonest.
I believe a retraction, reexamination and apology are in order. Again.
You, Mr. Godfrey, are a hack of the worst order. You are one of the pathetic examples of a "journalist" that has helped turn this once fine local paper into just another tabloid rag.
More sensationalist misreporting from the Argus.
This poor woman had severe psychological problems from the age of 14, and regularly took speed, which is not only a drug that has _actual_ evidence linking it to psychosis, but is also regularly laced with other destructive substances.
...and the Argus immediately links her death to the cannabis.
Cannabis was far more likely to have helped her balance herself mentally than tip her over the edge - and I should know.
This paper regularly takes tragic events like this and spins the facts (heard of those, Mr. Godfrey?) in this irresponsible manner. It's sloppy, lazy and dishonest.
I believe a retraction, reexamination and apology are in order. Again.
You, Mr. Godfrey, are a hack of the worst order. You are one of the pathetic examples of a "journalist" that has helped turn this once fine local paper into just another tabloid rag.
Posted by: Simon, kemp town on 8:59am Wed 12 Mar 08
shame on you Argus. there is no doubt i will be writing to complain about this poor, scape-goat media tripe.
journalism at its very worse!
Brighton is meant to be a liberal town for bohemians and thinkers, not daily mail hysteria. the poor womans family must be devastated by all this nonsense.
poor.
shame on you Argus. there is no doubt i will be writing to complain about this poor, scape-goat media tripe.
journalism at its very worse!
Brighton is meant to be a liberal town for bohemians and thinkers, not daily mail hysteria. the poor womans family must be devastated by all this nonsense.
poor.
Posted by: Winston Matthews, Horley Surrey on 9:02am Wed 12 Mar 08
May this poor soul RIP.
These posts referring to Reefer madness are right here, are right!
Amphetamine psychosis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Amphetamine psychosis is a form of psychosis which can result from amphetamine or methamphetamine use. Typically it appears after large doses or chronic use, although in rare cases some people may become psychotic after relatively small doses (Including such Amphetamine based ADD/ADHD based drugs e.g adderall). Other chemicals or drugs which similarly increase dopamine function (such as cocaine and L-DOPA) can produce similar psychotic states. Because of this, the term stimulant psychosis is sometimes preferred.
Need I say more, blaming cannabis for speed use is bad science, bad reporting, and in the states there is a pro marijuana group called "Safer" suing the USA government about the lies told about cannabis, about time someone, held these reporters to account for these purposely misleading articles.
Be warned Argus!
May this poor soul RIP.
These posts referring to Reefer madness are right here, are right!
Amphetamine psychosis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Amphetamine psychosis is a form of psychosis which can result from amphetamine or methamphetamine use. Typically it appears after large doses or chronic use, although in rare cases some people may become psychotic after relatively small doses (Including such Amphetamine based ADD/ADHD based drugs e.g adderall). Other chemicals or drugs which similarly increase dopamine function (such as cocaine and L-DOPA) can produce similar psychotic states. Because of this, the term stimulant psychosis is sometimes preferred.
Need I say more, blaming cannabis for speed use is bad science, bad reporting, and in the states there is a pro marijuana group called "Safer" suing the USA government about the lies told about cannabis, about time someone, held these reporters to account for these purposely misleading articles.
Be warned Argus!
Posted by: homarus, jersey on 9:30am Wed 12 Mar 08
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis?
I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa.
This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed.
Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism.
My thoughts are with her friends and family.
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis?
I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa.
This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed.
Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism.
My thoughts are with her friends and family.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 9:37am Wed 12 Mar 08
Oh wow. Quotes from Wikipedia and lines such as 'and I should know' really prove your points, pro cannabis lobby.
Once again, two comments on a regional newspaper in the UK from two random punters in the US add to this really creep scientology feel.
Do we really need to have this pointless debate with a bunch of stoners again?
Oh wow. Quotes from Wikipedia and lines such as 'and I should know' really prove your points, pro cannabis lobby.
Once again, two comments on a regional newspaper in the UK from two random punters in the US add to this really creep scientology feel.
Do we really need to have this pointless debate with a bunch of stoners again?
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 9:39am Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Richard[/bold] wrote:
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.[/quote] Good luck with that. Why not try Watchdog at the same time?
Frankly, I think both have bigger fish to fry.
Richard wrote:
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.
Good luck with that. Why not try Watchdog at the same time?
Frankly, I think both have bigger fish to fry.
Posted by: Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square on 9:41am Wed 12 Mar 08
Miss Cross's family has a Blairlike use of "believe". They "believe" she was murdered, but do not supply any evidence for this. Where is their knowledge of pathology and the direction and form of the wounds inflicted?
No, like Blair, they are simply whistling in the dark, all wishful thinking because they do not want to face up to the reality of this hideous death.
They should be ashamed of themselves for insinuating that somebody unnamed was responsible for the death.
Miss Cross's family has a Blairlike use of "believe". They "believe" she was murdered, but do not supply any evidence for this. Where is their knowledge of pathology and the direction and form of the wounds inflicted?
No, like Blair, they are simply whistling in the dark, all wishful thinking because they do not want to face up to the reality of this hideous death.
They should be ashamed of themselves for insinuating that somebody unnamed was responsible for the death.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 9:42am Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]homarus[/bold] wrote:
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis? I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa. This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed. Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism. My thoughts are with her friends and family. [/quote] No they aren't.
Your thoughts are about trying to promote and justify your silly little drug habit
homarus wrote:
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis? I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa. This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed. Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism. My thoughts are with her friends and family.
No they aren't.
Your thoughts are about trying to promote and justify your silly little drug habit
Posted by: Elf, Brighton on 9:50am Wed 12 Mar 08
@ Kickboxer, 09:37
If you'd care to supply some references or personal experiences of your own to back up your refutations, I'll gladly engage you in debate. Otherwise your comments are just empty words.
And why shouldn't people in the US comment here?
@ Kickboxer, 09:37
If you'd care to supply some references or personal experiences of your own to back up your refutations, I'll gladly engage you in debate. Otherwise your comments are just empty words.
And why shouldn't people in the US comment here?
Posted by: Alex, Brighton on 9:55am Wed 12 Mar 08
I will get off the drugs point as it has been made so many times and be a bit pedantic.
She did not claim, as the headline suggests, that the dog spoke to her. She clearly said the dog was [bold]trying[/bold] to tell her something. There is a difference.
I will get off the drugs point as it has been made so many times and be a bit pedantic.
She did not claim, as the headline suggests, that the dog spoke to her. She clearly said the dog was
trying to tell her something. There is a difference.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 10:00am Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Elf[/bold] wrote:
@ Kickboxer, 09:37 If you'd care to supply some references or personal experiences of your own to back up your refutations, I'll gladly engage you in debate. Otherwise your comments are just empty words. And why shouldn't people in the US comment here?[/quote] Sorry, just read your posts again and they are not exactly filled with any evidence are they?
You call someone a troll and then come out with the greatest line ever: 'Cannabis was far more likely to have helped her balance herself mentally than tip her over the edge - and I should know.' Empty words indeed.
If you were actually in Brighton and had ever read this site before then you would know who I am and wouldn't need 'references'.
I just find it odd that people in the US apparently trawl local news websites from around the world with the apparent sole purpose of spouting pro-cannabis propaganda. It's all a bit culty.
Elf wrote:
@ Kickboxer, 09:37 If you'd care to supply some references or personal experiences of your own to back up your refutations, I'll gladly engage you in debate. Otherwise your comments are just empty words. And why shouldn't people in the US comment here?
Sorry, just read your posts again and they are not exactly filled with any evidence are they?
You call someone a troll and then come out with the greatest line ever: 'Cannabis was far more likely to have helped her balance herself mentally than tip her over the edge - and I should know.' Empty words indeed.
If you were actually in Brighton and had ever read this site before then you would know who I am and wouldn't need 'references'.
I just find it odd that people in the US apparently trawl local news websites from around the world with the apparent sole purpose of spouting pro-cannabis propaganda. It's all a bit culty.
Posted by: Tara Phlapps, Portslade on 10:09am Wed 12 Mar 08
I think the dog killed her because it was upset about the proposed beach dog ban. And they DO talk to people. Just look at Son of Sam.
I think the dog killed her because it was upset about the proposed beach dog ban. And they DO talk to people. Just look at Son of Sam.
Posted by: Eco Man, Kemp Town on 10:13am Wed 12 Mar 08
Why doesn't this report dignify the poor dog with a name? I hope that the dog, talkative or not, is being well looked after.
Why doesn't this report dignify the poor dog with a name? I hope that the dog, talkative or not, is being well looked after.
Posted by: Canna Zine, South Wales on 11:03am Wed 12 Mar 08
Its very easy to get the focus of an article moved from the main topic, to a secondary, diversionary topic, with petty "handbags at dawn" threats so can we keep to the program guys? Cheers.
The British press has for too long, gotten away with this kind of shoddy sensationalistic writing and it pleases me no end to see people finally taking a newspaper to task over its so called news output.
I wrote for local press for almost three years and I'll tell you, the journo who wrote this piece is due a pay-rise, as all the feedback it caused means people are on the website so its a job well done.
The cannabis community are just the sheep which the newspaper "herds" with its sheepdog, cleverly disguised as a news article.
RIP Julie Cross
Canna Zine - daily zine for the cannabis scene
Its very easy to get the focus of an article moved from the main topic, to a secondary, diversionary topic, with petty "handbags at dawn" threats so can we keep to the program guys? Cheers.
The British press has for too long, gotten away with this kind of shoddy sensationalistic writing and it pleases me no end to see people finally taking a newspaper to task over its so called news output.
I wrote for local press for almost three years and I'll tell you, the journo who wrote this piece is due a pay-rise, as all the feedback it caused means people are on the website so its a job well done.
The cannabis community are just the sheep which the newspaper "herds" with its sheepdog, cleverly disguised as a news article.
RIP Julie Cross
Canna Zine - daily zine for the cannabis scene
Posted by: Adam Hope, Newcastle-under-lyme on 11:11am Wed 12 Mar 08
it is good to see so many comments about the irrationality of this story's argument, the first mentionings of 'daily use of speed' should be all you need to hear when it comes to someone being psychotic, obviously that doesn't grab as many readers as blaming cannabis. what ever happened to journalism?
it is good to see so many comments about the irrationality of this story's argument, the first mentionings of 'daily use of speed' should be all you need to hear when it comes to someone being psychotic, obviously that doesn't grab as many readers as blaming cannabis. what ever happened to journalism?
Posted by: Mel, Brighton on 12:25pm Wed 12 Mar 08
This is not the first time that a reporter from the Argus has written an irresponsible story with no thought for the senstivivty of the subject or the friends and loved ones of those involved. It may of course be the same reporter. I am neither for or against cannabis but I am against false and sensationalist reporting. It seems that he was asleep during the inquest. It is not evidence of a 'cult' if people from America comment on a report, it is an embarrassment to us that the article was considered so bad it was posted on the internet.
This is not the first time that a reporter from the Argus has written an irresponsible story with no thought for the senstivivty of the subject or the friends and loved ones of those involved. It may of course be the same reporter. I am neither for or against cannabis but I am against false and sensationalist reporting. It seems that he was asleep during the inquest. It is not evidence of a 'cult' if people from America comment on a report, it is an embarrassment to us that the article was considered so bad it was posted on the internet.
Posted by: Bodle, leicester on 1:45pm Wed 12 Mar 08
The argus has retarded journalists ! Why put cannabis use in the headline and not speed? Speed is much more of a dangerous drug u **** idiots.
The argus has retarded journalists ! Why put cannabis use in the headline and not speed? Speed is much more of a dangerous drug u **** idiots.
Posted by: dave in Prague, Prague on 2:01pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]homarus[/bold] wrote:
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis? I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa. This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed. Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism. My thoughts are with her friends and family. [/quote] Come on then bright one.
List the effects of speed.
Then..list the effects of cannabis...
Then explain why cannabis is the culprit in theis issue.
And before you run away with the...your in Prague, not Brighton...im from Brighton.
homarus wrote:
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis? I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa. This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed. Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism. My thoughts are with her friends and family.
Come on then bright one.
List the effects of speed.
Then..list the effects of cannabis...
Then explain why cannabis is the culprit in theis issue.
And before you run away with the...your in Prague, not Brighton...im from Brighton.
Posted by: mary james, 470-222 on 2:21pm Wed 12 Mar 08
more trash sensationalism from the argus. you're not doing well for credibility chaps.
having spotted this load of tosh, why would we believe anything that you print?
is this a murdoch owned paper by any chance?
more trash sensationalism from the argus. you're not doing well for credibility chaps.
having spotted this load of tosh, why would we believe anything that you print?
is this a murdoch owned paper by any chance?
Posted by: Siphersh, Hungary on 3:07pm Wed 12 Mar 08
It's outrageous how disrespectful and insensitive this article is toward the deceased and those close to her.
Also, many people all around the world are working to provide very important information about the dangers of drugs. This ridiculous and stupid article is making people believe that information about the dangers of drugs cannot be taken seriously, thereby doing great disservice to the community.
[quote]A mother driven insane by cannabis[/quote]
It's really infuriating and extremely stupid to say such a thing based on the presented information. How can such an article be published?! How is that supposed to be journalism?
It's outrageous how disrespectful and insensitive this article is toward the deceased and those close to her.
Also, many people all around the world are working to provide very important information about the dangers of drugs. This ridiculous and stupid article is making people believe that information about the dangers of drugs cannot be taken seriously, thereby doing great disservice to the community.
A mother driven insane by cannabis
It's really infuriating and extremely stupid to say such a thing based on the presented information. How can such an article be published?! How is that supposed to be journalism?
Posted by: Moon Pig, Brighton on 3:26pm Wed 12 Mar 08
I dunno why you're all arguing over whether it was or wasn't to blame - are any of you actually qualified to comment? Seriously, do you have nothing better to do than nitpick at other people on a local news website, LOL! Especially you Kickboxer, you get right up my nose you narrow minded little twerp, what IS the point of prodding people into arguments?
As for the article, well, until that's proven can they actually legally say things like that? If I was a member of her family I think I'd find that pretty hurtful and disrespectful...
I dunno why you're all arguing over whether it was or wasn't to blame - are any of you actually qualified to comment? Seriously, do you have nothing better to do than nitpick at other people on a local news website, LOL! Especially you Kickboxer, you get right up my nose you narrow minded little twerp, what IS the point of prodding people into arguments?
As for the article, well, until that's proven can they actually legally say things like that? If I was a member of her family I think I'd find that pretty hurtful and disrespectful...
Posted by: Peter Grimes, Runcorn on 3:33pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]PC Plod[/bold] wrote:
So let me get this straight Sir. You propose to track down and inflict injuries sufficent to disable the ability to walk of a man who produces a news article, the contents of which you do not like? You seem like a very angry man and perhaps it would be best if you were to accompany me to the station at this time. I also think the grammar police will want a quiet word in your ear.[/quote] What other way is there of stopping him publishing lies like these?
If you complain through regular channels you get nowhere.
PC Plod wrote:
So let me get this straight Sir. You propose to track down and inflict injuries sufficent to disable the ability to walk of a man who produces a news article, the contents of which you do not like? You seem like a very angry man and perhaps it would be best if you were to accompany me to the station at this time. I also think the grammar police will want a quiet word in your ear.
What other way is there of stopping him publishing lies like these?
If you complain through regular channels you get nowhere.
Posted by: angry, after FFS on 3:34pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Flat Foot Soozie[/bold] wrote:
Call me an old-fashioned, romantic girl, if you must, but Cole Porter had a point: "I get no kick from cocaine, flying too high in the sky... I get a kick out of you." If there had been some love in her life instead of sitting around in a stoner pack, she would not have reached for the knife.[/quote] Who are you to say she had no love in her life!! Knowing her son like i do there was a lot of love there so keep you [bold]cheap and nasty comments[/bold] to yourself.....You must have a very sad life soozie as all you seem to do is sit on her all day making stupid comments that no one reads!!
Flat Foot Soozie wrote:
Call me an old-fashioned, romantic girl, if you must, but Cole Porter had a point: "I get no kick from cocaine, flying too high in the sky... I get a kick out of you." If there had been some love in her life instead of sitting around in a stoner pack, she would not have reached for the knife.
Who are you to say she had no love in her life!! Knowing her son like i do there was a lot of love there so keep you
cheap and nasty comments to yourself.....You must have a very sad life soozie as all you seem to do is sit on her all day making stupid comments that no one reads!!
Posted by: Another reader on 3:38pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Perhaps if you toned down the provocative nature of your comments, nobody would have the need to delete them.
That's not too much to ask, is it?
Perhaps if you toned down the provocative nature of your comments, nobody would have the need to delete them.
That's not too much to ask, is it?
Posted by: Another reader on 3:40pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Another reader[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps if you toned down the provocative nature of your comments, nobody would have the need to delete them. That's not too much to ask, is it?[/quote] The above comment was aimed at 'A.Reader'.
Another reader wrote:
Perhaps if you toned down the provocative nature of your comments, nobody would have the need to delete them. That's not too much to ask, is it?
The above comment was aimed at 'A.Reader'.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Just off to the Texaco, anyone fancy a Topic bar? on 4:05pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Listen guys, I am really a very nice guy and I don't deserve all of this abuse.
I even helped put the tapes into a very tasty little CCTV system for an alleged cannabis cafe which includes a clever device called a 'camera'.
I have nothing against smokers, I love those dopey gits and like nothing more than listening to them waffle on for hours about TV programmes from the 80s and sometimes accompany them on trips to the all night garage for Topic bars. I even like listening to seriously monged music and once I saw like faces in the fire, man.
Now stop being mean or I'll track you all down and beat you up.
Listen guys, I am really a very nice guy and I don't deserve all of this abuse.
I even helped put the tapes into a very tasty little CCTV system for an alleged cannabis cafe which includes a clever device called a 'camera'.
I have nothing against smokers, I love those dopey gits and like nothing more than listening to them waffle on for hours about TV programmes from the 80s and sometimes accompany them on trips to the all night garage for Topic bars. I even like listening to seriously monged music and once I saw like faces in the fire, man.
Now stop being mean or I'll track you all down and beat you up.
Posted by: ingo, Norfolk on 4:23pm Wed 12 Mar 08
First, I would like to offer my sincere condolences to the family, Julie must have been under some terrible pressures to take her own life. Far from making any rash judgements with regards to cannabis,as the writer of this article sadly has done, I would like to point to the first suicide attempt, age 14 and whatever proceeded this monumental part in her life, something must have happened then,it influenced and set her out on the course she lived. I would agree with some of the comments made on amphetamines, the research points to a propensity to violent and depressive behaviour.
Finally to use this poor womens life to score another rabid point against cannabis, is naive and indistinguishable from the Governments prohibitionist line, you can do better than this.
Ingo, LCA environmental spokesperson, Norfolk
First, I would like to offer my sincere condolences to the family, Julie must have been under some terrible pressures to take her own life. Far from making any rash judgements with regards to cannabis,as the writer of this article sadly has done, I would like to point to the first suicide attempt, age 14 and whatever proceeded this monumental part in her life, something must have happened then,it influenced and set her out on the course she lived. I would agree with some of the comments made on amphetamines, the research points to a propensity to violent and depressive behaviour.
Finally to use this poor womens life to score another rabid point against cannabis, is naive and indistinguishable from the Governments prohibitionist line, you can do better than this.
Ingo, LCA environmental spokesperson, Norfolk
Posted by: Mikey, USA on 4:46pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Kickboxer: Did it ever occur to you that there are people in the United States that grew up in the Brighton area and would like to stay in touch with what's happening there? No, I didn't think so. For goodness sake, you are not the moderator of this site.
Kickboxer: Did it ever occur to you that there are people in the United States that grew up in the Brighton area and would like to stay in touch with what's happening there? No, I didn't think so. For goodness sake, you are not the moderator of this site.
Posted by: just wondering, the library on 4:49pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
Posted by: Me, here on 5:00pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]just wondering[/bold] wrote:
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?[/quote] They're most likely just the ones you know about.
just wondering wrote:
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
They're most likely just the ones you know about.
Posted by: Barry, Shoreham on 5:11pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Once again, the pro-cannabis brigade are out in force and still in denial.
Ingo - you accuse people here of using this tragic story for point-scoring and yet are using it yourself to promote outdated nonsense that "The Weed is 100% harmless and wouldn't it be great if everyone smoked it and there would be no wars etc... etc..."
Anyone who's seen dope send close friends into a downward spiral of schizophrenic hell will know what I'm talking about.
Once again, the pro-cannabis brigade are out in force and still in denial.
Ingo - you accuse people here of using this tragic story for point-scoring and yet are using it yourself to promote outdated nonsense that "The Weed is 100% harmless and wouldn't it be great if everyone smoked it and there would be no wars etc... etc..."
Anyone who's seen dope send close friends into a downward spiral of schizophrenic hell will know what I'm talking about.
Posted by: Barry, Shoreham on 5:18pm Wed 12 Mar 08
It's also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you've all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
It's also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you've all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Posted by: mary james, reading on 5:37pm Wed 12 Mar 08
dear barry, shoreham,
i'll be ashamed of my attitude when the press starts printing something approximating the truth. lies and shoddy journalism have to be exposed.
what a thoughtless point to make.
dear barry, shoreham,
i'll be ashamed of my attitude when the press starts printing something approximating the truth. lies and shoddy journalism have to be exposed.
what a thoughtless point to make.
Posted by: mary james, reeading on 5:46pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
some are, some aren't, we're a cross section of society. only yesterday a senior surgeon was charged with using cannabis although i don't know how boring he is.
uninformed insults don't help you make any points [bold]just wondering[/bold] . you may be in the libray but the books are just decoration, aren't they?
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
some are, some aren't, we're a cross section of society. only yesterday a senior surgeon was charged with using cannabis although i don't know how boring he is.
uninformed insults don't help you make any points
just wondering . you may be in the libray but the books are just decoration, aren't they?
Posted by: Jason, Worthing on 5:51pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Barry[/bold] wrote:
It\'s also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you\'ve all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.[/quote] No Barry, the so called journalist should be ashamed of printing lies and propaganda off the back of this poor womans demise. Shame on him and shame on The Argus for printing it.
Barry wrote:
It\'s also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you\'ve all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
No Barry, the so called journalist should be ashamed of printing lies and propaganda off the back of this poor womans demise. Shame on him and shame on The Argus for printing it.
Posted by: Surgeon's Pal, ER on 5:59pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]mary james[/bold] wrote:
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy? some are, some aren't, we're a cross section of society. only yesterday a senior surgeon was charged with using cannabis although i don't know how boring he is. uninformed insults don't help you make any points [bold]just wondering[/bold] . you may be in the libray but the books are just decoration, aren't they?[/quote] Actually he is a pretty lazy surgeon and quite scruffy too.
I wouldn't say he was boring exactly but his guests did tend to fall asleep during starters at his dinner parties
mary james wrote:
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy? some are, some aren't, we're a cross section of society. only yesterday a senior surgeon was charged with using cannabis although i don't know how boring he is. uninformed insults don't help you make any points just wondering . you may be in the libray but the books are just decoration, aren't they?
Actually he is a pretty lazy surgeon and quite scruffy too.
I wouldn't say he was boring exactly but his guests did tend to fall asleep during starters at his dinner parties
Posted by: Me, here on 6:16pm Wed 12 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Barry[/bold] wrote:
It's also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you've all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.[/quote] Actually Barry, I don't smoke dope. I used to as a youth but grew out of it (as most do).
You may call me a "pro-dope-smoker", I see myself as a pro-factual-informat
ion-about-the-conseq
uences-of-smoking-do
pe sort of person.
Yes, someone has died and I don't like to hear that.
Ashamed..? Of what?
Barry wrote:
It's also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you've all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Actually Barry, I don't smoke dope. I used to as a youth but grew out of it (as most do).
You may call me a "pro-dope-smoker", I see myself as a pro-factual-informat
ion-about-the-conseq
uences-of-smoking-do
pe sort of person.
Yes, someone has died and I don't like to hear that.
Ashamed..? Of what?
Posted by: Mikey, USA on 6:56pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Kickboxer: I live in the US and my comment did not mention cannabis. Moderator my a ss, you're just a sad little man on a power trip, using the anonymity of the web. You threaten anyone who dares to disagree with you. But, since YOU mention cannabis, I'm happy to add that where I live cannabis is legal, and no-one walks around stabbing themselves to death because of it.
Kickboxer: I live in the US and my comment did not mention cannabis. Moderator my a ss, you're just a sad little man on a power trip, using the anonymity of the web. You threaten anyone who dares to disagree with you. But, since YOU mention cannabis, I'm happy to add that where I live cannabis is legal, and no-one walks around stabbing themselves to death because of it.
Posted by: c dawson, eastbourne on 9:08pm Wed 12 Mar 08
I attended yesterdays inquest,and would like to say that i am appalled at the lack of sensitivity,AND the lack of accuracy that this so called reporter has portrayed,i would like to suggest that if the argos wishes to salvege any vague grains of self respect then they should not only print a full apology to the cross family,but they should consider looking at the type of staff they employ,i for one will never buy an argos again
I attended yesterdays inquest,and would like to say that i am appalled at the lack of sensitivity,AND the lack of accuracy that this so called reporter has portrayed,i would like to suggest that if the argos wishes to salvege any vague grains of self respect then they should not only print a full apology to the cross family,but they should consider looking at the type of staff they employ,i for one will never buy an argos again
Posted by: WCD, London on 9:32pm Wed 12 Mar 08
If cannabis causes Psychosis and Schizophrenia, why aren't the majority of people in Amsterdam schizophrenic or psychotic? They are of course, smoking the strongest strains of 'Super Skunk' available. Surely this would have a huge affect on the average mental state of the inhabitants of The Dam?
The headline is disgraceful. It should read 'Speed taking mum stabbed herself to death', as that is what most likely caused her death. There are direct, proven links between Speed and Psychosis. On top of this, she had been Psychotic since she was 14! Blaming cannabis is ridiculous.
I hope her friends and family are able to move on despite this shocking article.
If cannabis causes Psychosis and Schizophrenia, why aren't the majority of people in Amsterdam schizophrenic or psychotic? They are of course, smoking the strongest strains of 'Super Skunk' available. Surely this would have a huge affect on the average mental state of the inhabitants of The Dam?
The headline is disgraceful. It should read 'Speed taking mum stabbed herself to death', as that is what most likely caused her death. There are direct, proven links between Speed and Psychosis. On top of this, she had been Psychotic since she was 14! Blaming cannabis is ridiculous.
I hope her friends and family are able to move on despite this shocking article.
Posted by: Tyler McCormack, where ever you arent on 4:38am Thu 13 Mar 08
Miles Godfrey, you are the worst columnist on planet earth. Congratulations.
Miles Godfrey, you are the worst columnist on planet earth. Congratulations.
Posted by: Jon, bfe on 9:13am Thu 13 Mar 08
Ha, this author of this must be a fricken retard
Ha, this author of this must be a fricken retard
Posted by: tobi, brighton on 10:29am Thu 13 Mar 08
flat foot soozie keep your nasty comments to yourself you nasty lardhead
flat foot soozie keep your nasty comments to yourself you nasty lardhead
Posted by: John Arkwright, Brighton on 10:49am Thu 13 Mar 08
Complaint sent to the Press Complaints Commission, I would urge others to do the same at www.pcc.org.uk/. Yellow journalism like this should not be tolerated.
Complaint sent to the Press Complaints Commission, I would urge others to do the same at www.pcc.org.uk/. Yellow journalism like this should not be tolerated.
Posted by: chris, liverpool on 12:42pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Cannabis did not cause this. Its a joke to think that its more damaging than speed.
Speed will give you a mental illness long before cannabis. Its a sad story, and no deserves this but cannabis cannot be blamed. Its a classic overlook of the situation.
Its the same with cannabis psychosis, There is always underlying factors. In this case, SPEED.
Cannabis did not cause this. Its a joke to think that its more damaging than speed.
Speed will give you a mental illness long before cannabis. Its a sad story, and no deserves this but cannabis cannot be blamed. Its a classic overlook of the situation.
Its the same with cannabis psychosis, There is always underlying factors. In this case, SPEED.
Posted by: misspeachesandicecre
am, Brighton on 12:53pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I see the Argus moderator has been on here deleting posts critical of Miles Godfrey. If you cope with the criticism then don't ask for comments. Sadly even though you've been hitting the delete button, most of the people posting think this article is a disgrace - both insulting to the family and a total distortion of the facts. Gutter press journalism from The Argus.
I see the Argus moderator has been on here deleting posts critical of Miles Godfrey. If you cope with the criticism then don't ask for comments. Sadly even though you've been hitting the delete button, most of the people posting think this article is a disgrace - both insulting to the family and a total distortion of the facts. Gutter press journalism from The Argus.
Posted by: Chris, Brighton on 12:55pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Barry. Shoreham > "Anyone who's seen dope send close friends into a downward spiral of schizophrenic hell will know what I'm talking about."
That is not many people then.
As for the Argus, free press means freedom to report the facts, not make up a load of crap and parade it as fact.
In this case I would accept the public burning of this fiction, it has no place in our society.
Barry. Shoreham > "Anyone who's seen dope send close friends into a downward spiral of schizophrenic hell will know what I'm talking about."
That is not many people then.
As for the Argus, free press means freedom to report the facts, not make up a load of crap and parade it as fact.
In this case I would accept the public burning of this fiction, it has no place in our society.
Posted by: Bernard, Shoreham on 1:21pm Thu 13 Mar 08
To everyone here bleating on about "facts" and "bad press against cannabis", read the actual article.
"The hearing, at Worthing Town Hall, was told that Miss Cross, from Limbrick Lane, had drug-induced psychosis diagnosed in 2006."
Yes - DIAGNOSED - by a DOCTOR. Though I expect you'd all like to think that the doctor is in league with the paper and is part of the whole conspiracy. Grow up, please.
To everyone here bleating on about "facts" and "bad press against cannabis", read the actual article.
"The hearing, at Worthing Town Hall, was told that Miss Cross, from Limbrick Lane, had drug-induced psychosis diagnosed in 2006."
Yes - DIAGNOSED - by a DOCTOR. Though I expect you'd all like to think that the doctor is in league with the paper and is part of the whole conspiracy. Grow up, please.
Posted by: Dave, Brighton on 2:38pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I'd suggest we all email miles.godfrey@thearg
us.co.uk and also send a letter to the editor via http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/letters/s
endaletter/ about the disgraceful level of misreporting and sensalisation this paper has been quilty of recently. its getting worse and worse as the weeks go on.
Miles, you should be ashamed of yourself, you may want to reconsider your career as a "journalist"
I'd suggest we all email miles.godfrey@thearg
us.co.uk and also send a letter to the editor via http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/letters/s
endaletter/ about the disgraceful level of misreporting and sensalisation this paper has been quilty of recently. its getting worse and worse as the weeks go on.
Miles, you should be ashamed of yourself, you may want to reconsider your career as a "journalist"
Posted by: Anthony, Leeds on 3:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
wow, just wow... I never thought the the uk press could ever match the crap the US government pushes about cannabis every day. The fact that this woman smoked cannabis at all is incidental given the available evidence. She was diagnosed by a doctor with DRUG-induced psychosis (speed anyone?) not cannabis induced psychosis. Besides, anyone here naive enough to think doctors are incapable misdiagnosing people?
wow, just wow... I never thought the the uk press could ever match the crap the US government pushes about cannabis every day. The fact that this woman smoked cannabis at all is incidental given the available evidence. She was diagnosed by a doctor with DRUG-induced psychosis (speed anyone?) not cannabis induced psychosis. Besides, anyone here naive enough to think doctors are incapable misdiagnosing people?
Posted by: Bionic Steve, Brighton on 4:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Anthony[/bold] wrote:
wow, just wow... I never thought the the uk press could ever match the crap the US government pushes about cannabis every day. The fact that this woman smoked cannabis at all is incidental given the available evidence. She was diagnosed by a doctor with DRUG-induced psychosis (speed anyone?) not cannabis induced psychosis. Besides, anyone here naive enough to think doctors are incapable misdiagnosing people?[/quote] Anyone here naive enough to deny the abundance of medical evidence that cannabis can and does cause schizophrenia, psychosis and depression? And how is someone from Leeds suddenly interested in this website?
Anthony wrote:
wow, just wow... I never thought the the uk press could ever match the crap the US government pushes about cannabis every day. The fact that this woman smoked cannabis at all is incidental given the available evidence. She was diagnosed by a doctor with DRUG-induced psychosis (speed anyone?) not cannabis induced psychosis. Besides, anyone here naive enough to think doctors are incapable misdiagnosing people?
Anyone here naive enough to deny the abundance of medical evidence that cannabis can and does cause schizophrenia, psychosis and depression? And how is someone from Leeds suddenly interested in this website?
Posted by: Scott, Calgary, Canada on 5:00pm Thu 13 Mar 08
The speed was definitely the main factor leading to the extreme paranoia this person was experiencing. The headline is comically deceiving. The woman messed with speed and mental illness. The weed probably helped calm her down at times.
The speed was definitely the main factor leading to the extreme paranoia this person was experiencing. The headline is comically deceiving. The woman messed with speed and mental illness. The weed probably helped calm her down at times.
Posted by: Anthony, Leeds on 5:19pm Thu 13 Mar 08
@Bionic Steve:
What can I say however unsubstantiated the headline was attention grabbing enough to reel me in (more than likely the point). Besides you think its funny me being on here? You haven't said a word about the canadians and americans. Anyway back on topic, I won't say that weed doesn't cause health and or mental problems, I'm not qualified to do that. However surely most people would agree that the article is unfairly biased and the headline misleading.
@Bionic Steve:
What can I say however unsubstantiated the headline was attention grabbing enough to reel me in (more than likely the point). Besides you think its funny me being on here? You haven't said a word about the canadians and americans. Anyway back on topic, I won't say that weed doesn't cause health and or mental problems, I'm not qualified to do that. However surely most people would agree that the article is unfairly biased and the headline misleading.
Posted by: Mac on 5:24pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mikey[/bold] wrote:
Kickboxer: I live in the US and my comment did not mention cannabis. Moderator my a ss, you're just a sad little man on a power trip, using the anonymity of the web. You threaten anyone who dares to disagree with you. But, since YOU mention cannabis, I'm happy to add that where I live cannabis is legal, and no-one walks around stabbing themselves to death because of it.[/quote] They SHOOT each other instead
Mikey wrote:
Kickboxer: I live in the US and my comment did not mention cannabis. Moderator my a ss, you're just a sad little man on a power trip, using the anonymity of the web. You threaten anyone who dares to disagree with you. But, since YOU mention cannabis, I'm happy to add that where I live cannabis is legal, and no-one walks around stabbing themselves to death because of it.
They SHOOT each other instead
Posted by: Mac on 5:27pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Poor woman, but it is a total waste of time and effort debating whether or not cannabis caused the death of this poor woman or her mental illness with anyone who uses drugs, because, one has only to read the pathetic ramblings of the pro-cannabis lobby on this thread to realise that they are all suffering from mental illness of one form or the other and, lack the power of logic when it comes to reality, especially their reality.
But hope is on the horizon, because I understand that the Labour party now says enough is enough and, drug addicts will lose their rights to benefit if they fail to attend drug treatment clinics, this is very good news indeed, but even better is the fact that drug users are going to be targeted by the police just as much as the dealers are targeted, because it is now believed that demand is as much of cause of the drug problem as the supply of drugs is, I say Amen to that.
Poor woman, but it is a total waste of time and effort debating whether or not cannabis caused the death of this poor woman or her mental illness with anyone who uses drugs, because, one has only to read the pathetic ramblings of the pro-cannabis lobby on this thread to realise that they are all suffering from mental illness of one form or the other and, lack the power of logic when it comes to reality, especially their reality.
But hope is on the horizon, because I understand that the Labour party now says enough is enough and, drug addicts will lose their rights to benefit if they fail to attend drug treatment clinics, this is very good news indeed, but even better is the fact that drug users are going to be targeted by the police just as much as the dealers are targeted, because it is now believed that demand is as much of cause of the drug problem as the supply of drugs is, I say Amen to that.
Posted by: amanda cross, worthing on 6:11pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I am the sister of Julie Cross.I feel the need to put the facts as Miles has done a lot of damage with this article. i have complained to his Boss Lee Gibbs and asked for an apology.
My Sister did use speed and smoke cannibis on a daily basis and stopped doing this in december 2006.FACT.
Her Toxicology report came back clear of all drugs and alcohol, not even a pain killer in her system.FACT. however Miles ignored this Fact.
The verdict was Not suicide as Miles has tried to make it look. The Coroner said she could not find beyond reasonable doubt suicide OR murder. That is why she came to the conclusion of Misadventure.
We the family and freinds are hurt and angry by this poor reporting considering he sat all the way through the inquest.
At no point was it said that my sister was driven insane by anything.FACT
At no point did family or freinds say we would not let this drop.FACT.
I will be complaining to the press complaints commision.
The family would like to thank everyone that has posted supportive comments.
I am the sister of Julie Cross.I feel the need to put the facts as Miles has done a lot of damage with this article. i have complained to his Boss Lee Gibbs and asked for an apology.
My Sister did use speed and smoke cannibis on a daily basis and stopped doing this in december 2006.FACT.
Her Toxicology report came back clear of all drugs and alcohol, not even a pain killer in her system.FACT. however Miles ignored this Fact.
The verdict was Not suicide as Miles has tried to make it look. The Coroner said she could not find beyond reasonable doubt suicide OR murder. That is why she came to the conclusion of Misadventure.
We the family and freinds are hurt and angry by this poor reporting considering he sat all the way through the inquest.
At no point was it said that my sister was driven insane by anything.FACT
At no point did family or freinds say we would not let this drop.FACT.
I will be complaining to the press complaints commision.
The family would like to thank everyone that has posted supportive comments.
Posted by: HayC, UK on 7:10pm Thu 13 Mar 08
@Bionic Steve,i have never seen a case of depression because of cannabis...those who use marijuana to battle the symptoms of illness may be depressed because of their illness, not because of cannabis,do you really believe cannabis played a bigger part in this than speed ? i am fully aware that cannabis can induce schizophrenia etc,but thats most likely to people who already have mental health problems,i suggest you and Mac go read up before you start quoting crap from the bullshit media like this article
@Bionic Steve,i have never seen a case of depression because of cannabis...those who use marijuana to battle the symptoms of illness may be depressed because of their illness, not because of cannabis,do you really believe cannabis played a bigger part in this than speed ? i am fully aware that cannabis can induce schizophrenia etc,but thats most likely to people who already have mental health problems,i suggest you and Mac go read up before you start quoting crap from the bullshit media like this article
Posted by: Mikey, USA on 7:17pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Hey Bionic Steve: What kind of comment is that? Have you ever been to the US? Do you really think that legal weed makes people shoot each other? Get a clue. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of people getting shot in the UK. Do you think the shooters are all high on weed? Jeez.
Hey Bionic Steve: What kind of comment is that? Have you ever been to the US? Do you really think that legal weed makes people shoot each other? Get a clue. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of people getting shot in the UK. Do you think the shooters are all high on weed? Jeez.
Posted by: Mikey, USA on 7:19pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Sorry, my last comment should have been addressed to Mac, not Steve. Sorry Steve.
Sorry, my last comment should have been addressed to Mac, not Steve. Sorry Steve.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 7:39pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kickboxer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard[/bold] wrote:
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.[/quote] Good luck with that. Why not try Watchdog at the same time?
Frankly, I think both have bigger fish to fry.[/quote] Wow I bet you feel really big useing my web name! anyone who has read my previous comments regarding cannabis will know that the other comments on this site are not mine, I know plenty of people that smoke cannabis and they are hard working intelligent people that are capable of serious debate, unlike some of the people on this site. From the real "Kickboxer" Worthing
Kickboxer wrote:
Richard wrote:
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.
Good luck with that. Why not try Watchdog at the same time?
Frankly, I think both have bigger fish to fry.
Wow I bet you feel really big useing my web name! anyone who has read my previous comments regarding cannabis will know that the other comments on this site are not mine, I know plenty of people that smoke cannabis and they are hard working intelligent people that are capable of serious debate, unlike some of the people on this site. From the real "Kickboxer" Worthing
Posted by: Jono, uk on 7:46pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I smoke cannabis and i have an IQ of 733,i am well known for my intelligence and go by the name of Spin
