Poyet praises Albion defence (From The Argus)
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Poyet praises Albion defence
9:30am Monday 29th October 2012 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Wayne Bridge gets stuck in against Blackpool
ALBION boss Gus Poyet has demanded goals against Leeds at The Amex on Friday night after praising his defence as “different class”.
The Seagulls needed a gift for Ashley Barnes from Blackpool to end a goal drought of over five-and-a-half hours in the 1-1 draw at Bloomfield Road.
But Saturday's stalemate means the Seagulls have still not conceded more than one goal in a game in the Championship this season.
Poyet told the Argus: “That is different class, top, top defending. Remember as well we don’t go into games to defend.
“If we were a defensive team then only conceding once would be our challenge but it’s not our challenge. Our main thing is to go and score goals and produce and control the game, things that we didn’t do on Saturday.
“We were still good enough to get a result because of the experience and the players we have got at the back who have played at the highest level.
“That side of things it’s fine. Now it’s making sure that soon, and I mean in the next game, we put two or three nice goals in to celebrate and be happy.
“We didn’t create enough and that’s up to us to sort it. We were not very goodso we need to be really happy with a point and make sure we go back to the performances I like and, of course, win games.”
Albion have edged back up a place to ninth and a first victory in seven matches against Leeds in front of the Sky cameras would temporarily lift them into a play-off spot.
Ashley Barnes admitted he got a bit lucky with his fourth goal of the season.
But the Albion striker would love to get 20 tap-ins this term.
Barnes was rewarded for chasing a lost cause when, with Andrew Crofts’ help, he made the most of poor defending to nudge his side in front at Blackpool.
He said: “The ball just dropped and Crofty got a little nick and I was in amongst it.
“Luckily enough I was able to just stretch to hit it home.
“I didn’t even know if it was going to cross the line but luckily enough it did.”
He added: “My goals seem to come from pull-backs or something like that but I’ll take that one.
“Hopefully I get 20 of them. That would be brilliant!”
Comments(83)
Claude Back
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10:09am Mon 29 Oct 12
Consequently, Gus might be reticent to urge the midfielders forward which would explain why Crofts and Hammond are shadows of the attacking players they were?
john newman
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10:29am Mon 29 Oct 12
Claude Back
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10:30am Mon 29 Oct 12
"I am very happy with the result but I don't think it was a fair result because Blackpool were by far the better team so I think we should be delighted with a point," said Poyet.
"Football is a funny game. Sometimes you can create 10 or 20 chances and get nothing. Here we did nothing and I don't know how we scored.
"You can call it luck I suppose and when it happens you are happy to accept it.
"There was no celebration when we scored. The players didn't run and celebrate with the fans, probably because they were so shocked and so surprised to have got a goal at that stage of the game.
"But I won't complain with a point, I will gladly take it.
What an honest man. Clearly he knows we are not quite there yet but when he finishes building his team, we will be. Maybe not this season but surely next?
goldstone
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10:34am Mon 29 Oct 12
john newman wrote:Amen to that. Goals and entertainment please, Gus, or attendances will start to drop.
It was luck we did not lose on Saturday plus great goalkeeping. We want goals and entertainment not 'defensive team of the year '
OzzieGull
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11:01am Mon 29 Oct 12
The Real Ryfish
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11:26am Mon 29 Oct 12
OzzieGull wrote:As his career record of 1 goal every 4.5 games surely attests...
Emile Heskey has scored four in four for my A-League team(Newcastle Jets) - perhaps he wouldn't have been such a bad signing after all - at least he knows where the goal is ....
heathgate
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11:32am Mon 29 Oct 12
The Real Ryfish
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11:33am Mon 29 Oct 12
heathgate wrote:Why the heck did you buy a season ticket then? I hope you will give it to someone who can appreciate the team a bit.
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
VegasSeagull
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11:46am Mon 29 Oct 12
Is the problem our lack of ability to finish off some of the chances created or is it that we can't create enough good chances?
Who scores goals for Brighton from corners, who leaps above the defense and nods one in, as we do seem to win a lot of corners?
Who is it that is expected to provide that touch of magic from midfield that opens up a back line with a pass inch perfect for CMS to latch onto?
If the goals demanded don't come against Leeds the answers to my questions are the players that lose their places in favor of others. There has to be a an outcome if demands are not met, if not then why make demands. Myabe one or two of the youngsters will get their chance soon, maybe a couple of pedestals will be knocked down.
B-hove
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11:46am Mon 29 Oct 12
Blackpool may consider themselves worthy of 3 points, as they had more chances and were generally qucker to 50/50 balls on their tiny pitch, but they were certainly not robbed.
Two of their players were yellow carded as they had no answer to Buckley running down the wing. How does the Football League paper only score him 5, while they gave Kuzszcak 9 (not that our goalkeeeper wasn't excellent)? Was their reporter actualy at the game?
And we might have had all three points (which would perhaps have been an injustice) had Hammond tapped in Buckley's cross from just 7 or 8 yards out, with the last attack of the match - possibly the clearest chance in the whole game. The BBC didn't show this, of course - perhaps in didn't quite fit with the impression they wanted to convey.
Mackail-Smith and Buckley deserve the support of someone creative behind them in mindfield. How's Vincente doing, this week?
B rian Tawses left foot
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11:57am Mon 29 Oct 12
It's in attack that we are so lacking. CMS is our best attacking player by a mile - but is just left really to soldier on by himself. Sorry - I think Dobbin was a terrible buy - nearly as bad as Harley. As for those who eargerly await Hoskins returning to the team and banging in goals. Forget it - he's not up to Championship standard and Poyet knows it.
The money wasted on Dobbin, Harley and Hoskins should have been enough to buy a decent striker. Or maybe have made Glenn Murray an offer he couldn't refuse.
ballantrrae
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11:57am Mon 29 Oct 12
goldstone wrote:Two well made points John and Goldstone.
john newman wrote:Amen to that. Goals and entertainment please, Gus, or attendances will start to drop.
It was luck we did not lose on Saturday plus great goalkeeping. We want goals and entertainment not 'defensive team of the year '
In last Monday's Argus (22 Oct) Poyet is quoted (under the Poyet Running out of Patience thread) as vowing as Naylor's report says 'to go back into the transfer market for another striker if his team fires blanks again at new Championship leaders Leicester tomorrow night'.
As we now know the Albion didn't score on Tuesday and after scoring a scappy goal on Saturday came away with a point as a result of another fine defensive effort.
I trust that Poyet is now putting his words into action ie acquiring another forward although I am not convinced he is judging from this article.
He seems to be saying exactly what he said a week ago 'Now it's making sure that soon, and I mean next game, we put two or three nice goals in to celebrate...'.
Your point about dwindling audiences is particulary valid Goldstone. I think I would prefer to see an exciting 3-3 draw like last season on Friday than 0-0. Apart from anything else I would like to see the team rediscover the attacking verve they showed against Barnsley and Wednesday.
4everaseagull
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12:13pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Carter_Cooldancer
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12:44pm Mon 29 Oct 12
If Dobbie doesn't do something soon then I'll be telling him to head to straight platform 9 & 3/4 and to f*** off back to Hogwarts.
Seriously though, I am still optimistic despite Dobbie's ineffectiveness to adapt to our system, the general lack of creativity, the lack of goals, the lack of forward movement, and the fact we are mirroring last season's record.
We have a great defence, pretty much a full stadium week in and week out and lots of reasons to be cheerful. I just want a decent striker (or two) to help CMS and give us more options.
SMF20
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12:47pm Mon 29 Oct 12
4everaseagull wrote:Im with you, nearly... think i would play Orlandi wide left and let Lua lua come on for the last 30 minutes if required, maybe also play Toby alongside CMS giving us a true 4-4-2 and not a 4-4-1-1.
Interesting comment from Gus "that we dont go into games to defend". He has certainly recruited well from a defensive point of view with the two full backs & keeper they are top draw. However I feel that GP has been too cautious in recent games especially at home and therefore looks like we are set up more defensive as if to say we start with a point so lets not let that go. I know it is unlikely but if he wants to solve the goalscoring situation surely we need to be more positive starting on Friday. Lets see a straightforward 4-4-2 with players operating where they will be best rather than square peg in a round hole. How about Kuz, Bruno, Greer, El-Abd, Bridge, Buckley, Bridcutt, Crofts (or Hammond), Lua Lua, Dobbie & CMS. This way we have Bridcutt & A-another protecting the back four with two wingers being given the ball early to deliver into the box for a front two. Equally this allows Dobbie to play off CMS in a position he has played his best football or is that too obvious. Thoughts anyone?
Back to basics has to be the order of the day. Uta
PittaPatta
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12:55pm Mon 29 Oct 12
heathgate wrote:Cannot believe this.
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
Irrespective of your thoughts on the two players, you purchase a season ticket to support the team, not to support your own misguided feelings on team selection, etc.
We all have our grievances, as I clearly indicated over Saturday, but that would never prevent me from watching the team that means more to me than any disagreement I might have over team selection or policy
wiseman of hove
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1:06pm Mon 29 Oct 12
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
heathgate
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1:06pm Mon 29 Oct 12
The Real Ryfish wrote:Ho Ho, appreciate two wasters who shouldnt be anywhere near a team that aspires to the upper reaches of the Championship??. If you are happy in the lower half or worse fishy boy, then you carry on with your unquestioning ignorance.
heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Why the heck did you buy a season ticket then? I hope you will give it to someone who can appreciate the team a bit.
I choose this week to not travel 150 miles each way because he will pick Disker and Barnes, its a no brainer. Who I give the ticket to is my business, maybe a Leeds fan eh!!
wiseman of hove
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1:07pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:To clarify, Hoskins on the bench to have the opportunity to show what he can do.
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
SMF20
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1:08pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:No Bridcutt?
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows? I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
Fed up with this
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1:08pm Mon 29 Oct 12
PittaPatta wrote:Am I going mad ? Although not a fan of either I watched Chelsea V Man Utd on tv. But I see it every Man Utd game what I see as a bent referee . No matter who is the ref they always ,seem to make a game changing decision in favour of Utd.
heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Cannot believe this. Irrespective of your thoughts on the two players, you purchase a season ticket to support the team, not to support your own misguided feelings on team selection, etc. We all have our grievances, as I clearly indicated over Saturday, but that would never prevent me from watching the team that means more to me than any disagreement I might have over team selection or policy
The sending off of Torres was a farse and alIowing an of-side goal only made me think it is crooked refereeing,it is ruining the game.Am I going Mad? please tell me i'm wrong.
heathgate
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1:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12
PittaPatta wrote:I am allowed my own little mini protest aren't I??... this is it, I will not watch them again until the Bristol City game because of my local interest, or before if he sees the light and removes those two from selection.
heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Cannot believe this. Irrespective of your thoughts on the two players, you purchase a season ticket to support the team, not to support your own misguided feelings on team selection, etc. We all have our grievances, as I clearly indicated over Saturday, but that would never prevent me from watching the team that means more to me than any disagreement I might have over team selection or policy
wiseman of hove
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1:16pm Mon 29 Oct 12
SMF20 wrote:Of course - put it down to old age!
wiseman of hove wrote:No Bridcutt?
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows? I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
wiseman of hove
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1:18pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:Forgot Bridcutt - leaves two from the rest!
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
CAKEBEARD
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1:27pm Mon 29 Oct 12
markymark03
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1:33pm Mon 29 Oct 12
But hey what do I know, I'm just a Champ Manager numpty - roll on 3 points this Friday!!
Who knows, something might be said about that McCormack rumour from the summer
wiseman of hove
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1:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12
CAKEBEARD wrote:The way some of our midfield players have been performing of late, I am not so sure it is such a ridiculous suggestion. We may be entering a phase where the manager has to try something radical.
If we are looking to unlock defences and score goals then we need to play Harley if Vicente is still not fit. Harley, apart from Vicente, is the only player who really understands how to break down a good defence. I know everyone hates him but give him a run in the team Gus and see what he can do, Yours faithfully, Ryan Harley
wiltshire seagull
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1:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12
The Real Ryfish wrote:No-one will realise you're not there, mate! With the attitude you have you might as well give your ST away (to me), lol. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you don't sound like a a true-blue to me. I, along with many would like to see a few more goals but it ain't going to happen until we sign a hold-up man for CMS, is it? Patience, my man, patience.
heathgate wrote:Why the heck did you buy a season ticket then? I hope you will give it to someone who can appreciate the team a bit.
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
Can I let you know the address to send the ST to?? UTA...
SMF20
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1:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:Im with you 100% my friend.
wiseman of hove wrote: For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows? I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.Forgot Bridcutt - leaves two from the rest!
tinker000
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1:49pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Claude Back wrote:Dicker better than the two mentioned
As our midfield has operated more as a defensive unit, whether by design or not, perhaps that has contributed to our fine record of not conceding goals and not just the back five alone?
Consequently, Gus might be reticent to urge the midfielders forward which would explain why Crofts and Hammond are shadows of the attacking players they were?
heathgate
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1:52pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiltshire seagull wrote:Hilarious, so when signed a couple of hold up men, Vokes and Barndoor Billy, why was it that CMS still ended up playing on his own unsupported? When Vokes came on, CMS went off, the only consistent thing gus does is keep Barnes on, and he is a complete waste of good Albion space.
The Real Ryfish wrote:No-one will realise you're not there, mate! With the attitude you have you might as well give your ST away (to me), lol. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you don't sound like a a true-blue to me. I, along with many would like to see a few more goals but it ain't going to happen until we sign a hold-up man for CMS, is it? Patience, my man, patience. Can I let you know the address to send the ST to?? UTA...heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Why the heck did you buy a season ticket then? I hope you will give it to someone who can appreciate the team a bit.
True-blue (true stripes actually), yes I am, but stupidly ignorant of what i see in front of me on match days of late??..... no I am not.
heathgate
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1:54pm Mon 29 Oct 12
tinker000 wrote:This last line is even funnier than all that has been said before, are you actually sure you have seen him play? Do you not see that he has no pace, and can only pass sideways? Have you ever seen him header a ball, whether in attack or defence?
Claude Back wrote: As our midfield has operated more as a defensive unit, whether by design or not, perhaps that has contributed to our fine record of not conceding goals and not just the back five alone? Consequently, Gus might be reticent to urge the midfielders forward which would explain why Crofts and Hammond are shadows of the attacking players they were?Dicker better than the two mentioned
tinker000
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1:55pm Mon 29 Oct 12
heathgate wrote:You Got your head up your A#s best two players on the books so STAY AWAY
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
Willie, Willie Irvine
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1:57pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:Well he's not much good stuck in the wilderness, so giving him another opportunity could be worthwhile - perhaps with Orlandi. If Harley failed once again to show any commitment, then it really would be the end for him, and rightly so. He showed with that fantastic strike in his first game that he can be a potent force if he bothers.
CAKEBEARD wrote: If we are looking to unlock defences and score goals then we need to play Harley if Vicente is still not fit. Harley, apart from Vicente, is the only player who really understands how to break down a good defence. I know everyone hates him but give him a run in the team Gus and see what he can do, Yours faithfully, Ryan HarleyThe way some of our midfield players have been performing of late, I am not so sure it is such a ridiculous suggestion. We may be entering a phase where the manager has to try something radical.
Tommy11
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2:05pm Mon 29 Oct 12
He is a reason why there is a lack of goals... he is so rated by Gus and for the love of me I can't understand it.. it frustrates me so much. Bizarley, I was extreamly pleased when we went 1-0 up on Sat, but then immediatly gutted when I saw Barnes's name pop up......as I just know that he will get another guranteed 100 games in row as a result of his fluke goal by his true fan, Gus.
4everaseagull
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2:07pm Mon 29 Oct 12
SMF20 wrote:I am with you on Orlandi wide left with Kaz on the bench as an impact player. Orlandi has impressed me the most out of the four deadline day signings. Apart from the Sheff Weds game, Hammond has been poor, Lopez powder puff & Dobbie next to useless, although if he was played in his true position I think we may see the best of him. Agree with you about going back to basics as surely it cannot hurt. We have two home games that are both winable but I feel we need to be positive and attack teams because if we go a goal behind we struggle.
4everaseagull wrote:Im with you, nearly... think i would play Orlandi wide left and let Lua lua come on for the last 30 minutes if required, maybe also play Toby alongside CMS giving us a true 4-4-2 and not a 4-4-1-1.
Interesting comment from Gus "that we dont go into games to defend". He has certainly recruited well from a defensive point of view with the two full backs & keeper they are top draw. However I feel that GP has been too cautious in recent games especially at home and therefore looks like we are set up more defensive as if to say we start with a point so lets not let that go. I know it is unlikely but if he wants to solve the goalscoring situation surely we need to be more positive starting on Friday. Lets see a straightforward 4-4-2 with players operating where they will be best rather than square peg in a round hole. How about Kuz, Bruno, Greer, El-Abd, Bridge, Buckley, Bridcutt, Crofts (or Hammond), Lua Lua, Dobbie & CMS. This way we have Bridcutt & A-another protecting the back four with two wingers being given the ball early to deliver into the box for a front two. Equally this allows Dobbie to play off CMS in a position he has played his best football or is that too obvious. Thoughts anyone?
Back to basics has to be the order of the day. Uta
4everaseagull
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2:14pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Tommy11 wrote:Over the last year I have often defended dear old Ash as even to this day he is played out of position by Gus so as to do a job for the team. However its time for a change if we aspire to finishing 10th again then fine stick with Barnes if its top 6 and eyeing promotion I cannot see us achieving it with Barnes. Why is it that despite the majority seeing things one way the manager always seems to stick with a player that leaves us all baffled as to why.
Yes...Barnes Is a complete waste of space...I don't want anyone saying "But he scored the goal"... come on...he didn't even kick the ball, it just bounced off his foot!
He is a reason why there is a lack of goals... he is so rated by Gus and for the love of me I can't understand it.. it frustrates me so much. Bizarley, I was extreamly pleased when we went 1-0 up on Sat, but then immediatly gutted when I saw Barnes's name pop up......as I just know that he will get another guranteed 100 games in row as a result of his fluke goal by his true fan, Gus.
markymark03
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2:18pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Heres another idea, we could play with someone on the left who has pace, like Lua Lua - I know, I must be out of my mind!
Crazier still, we could go back to the quick passing that we had at the beggining of the season when we were scoring freely, not the laboured slowly slowly catch a monkey routine!
Ba, ba, ba, ba bonkers
Dr Baldhead
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2:32pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:No criticism intended, but can you elaborate on the choice of Orlandi? I only ask as he's not really played much yet and I wonder what you've seen in him to make him an automatic starter.
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
He had a decent game at the Amex recently when he was given MOM. On the other hand he was very poor at Watford. My jury's still out on him.
heathgate
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2:41pm Mon 29 Oct 12
markymark03 wrote:Markymark03 says
Wow, is it the we hate Barnes club today? I think he is a good player but I don't think it would be a bad thing to starve him of a few games to build his hunger up a bit. Either that or we could play him as a STRIKER not a left winger - I know crazy! Heres another idea, we could play with someone on the left who has pace, like Lua Lua - I know, I must be out of my mind! Crazier still, we could go back to the quick passing that we had at the beggining of the season when we were scoring freely, not the laboured slowly slowly catch a monkey routine! Ba, ba, ba, ba bonkers
Wow, is it the we hate Barnes club today? I think he is a good player....
I think this is hilarious too, how can you say that and keep a straight face, please!!
wiseman of hove
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2:49pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:Fair point. He showed certain skills in the first half of the Boro game, touch,movement, polished left foot etc , which instinctively told me that he had been well coached and was
wiseman of hove wrote:No criticism intended, but can you elaborate on the choice of Orlandi? I only ask as he's not really played much yet and I wonder what you've seen in him to make him an automatic starter.
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
He had a decent game at the Amex recently when he was given MOM. On the other hand he was very poor at Watford. My jury's still out on him.
potentially an excellent signing.Like most pretend managers, I make very quick judgements on players! I might be wrong but I would have no hesitation in playing him if he was fit. I know you do not mention Lua Lua - and I recognise his popularity, but puerly as an example he is the type of very predictable player that I feel is not going to lift this club into the top six
dave from bexill
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2:54pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Fed up with this wrote:Of course you're not going mad,just paranoid maybe!
PittaPatta wrote:Am I going mad ? Although not a fan of either I watched Chelsea V Man Utd on tv. But I see it every Man Utd game what I see as a bent referee . No matter who is the ref they always ,seem to make a game changing decision in favour of Utd.
heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Cannot believe this. Irrespective of your thoughts on the two players, you purchase a season ticket to support the team, not to support your own misguided feelings on team selection, etc. We all have our grievances, as I clearly indicated over Saturday, but that would never prevent me from watching the team that means more to me than any disagreement I might have over team selection or policy
The sending off of Torres was a farse and alIowing an of-side goal only made me think it is crooked refereeing,it is ruining the game.Am I going Mad? please tell me i'm wrong.
saraman
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2:57pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Gibseagull
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3:04pm Mon 29 Oct 12
B-hove
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3:05pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Fed up with this wrote:You're not going mad. Last year Howard Webb refereed this match and he awarded Man Utd two penalties that gave them a face-saving draw. (Rumour has it when Man Utd approached Arsenal for Van Persie, the London club asked for Webb in part-exchange).
PittaPatta wrote:Am I going mad ? Although not a fan of either I watched Chelsea V Man Utd on tv. But I see it every Man Utd game what I see as a bent referee . No matter who is the ref they always ,seem to make a game changing decision in favour of Utd.
heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Cannot believe this. Irrespective of your thoughts on the two players, you purchase a season ticket to support the team, not to support your own misguided feelings on team selection, etc. We all have our grievances, as I clearly indicated over Saturday, but that would never prevent me from watching the team that means more to me than any disagreement I might have over team selection or policy
The sending off of Torres was a farse and alIowing an of-side goal only made me think it is crooked refereeing,it is ruining the game.Am I going Mad? please tell me i'm wrong.
Fergie said tha Man Utd were owed a few decisions - you can rely on the opposite being true in most things he has to say regarding match decisions involving his team.
Brighton1
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3:09pm Mon 29 Oct 12
saraman
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3:16pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Gibseagull wrote:Agreed on paper winnable but with the current formation I can't see more than 2 points max.
In the overall scheme of things we are still well placed in the league. The problem lies in the abject nature of our performance against Blackpool (but remember they are unique to this league in that they also only play one way and that is out and out attack from the 1st to the 95th minute!!). In all our other recent games we have created lots of chances but have failed to score. based on these games I say we are still only two players short of being highly competitive. The key is finding those players (they won't be cheap unless we look to the lower divisions) and Gus getting the midfield set-up right. In the meantime lets see what happens against Leeds and Peterborough, on paper both winnable games.
dave from bexill
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3:16pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:Wiseman my friend, I don't think Orlandi
Dr Baldhead wrote:Fair point. He showed certain skills in the first half of the Boro game, touch,movement, polished left foot etc , which instinctively told me that he had been well coached and was
wiseman of hove wrote:No criticism intended, but can you elaborate on the choice of Orlandi? I only ask as he's not really played much yet and I wonder what you've seen in him to make him an automatic starter.
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
He had a decent game at the Amex recently when he was given MOM. On the other hand he was very poor at Watford. My jury's still out on him.
potentially an excellent signing.Like most pretend managers, I make very quick judgements on players! I might be wrong but I would have no hesitation in playing him if he was fit. I know you do not mention Lua Lua - and I recognise his popularity, but puerly as an example he is the type of very predictable player that I feel is not going to lift this club into the top six
actually played against the Boro, or did his performance just past me by?
dave from bexill
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3:20pm Mon 29 Oct 12
pappaK
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3:27pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove
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3:47pm Mon 29 Oct 12
dave from bexill wrote:Thanks Dave - I think it was the Ipswich game where he came off in the second half having picked up an injury. What with forgetting to put Bridcutt in my automatic selections earlier, I think I may need to be rested.
wiseman of hove wrote:Wiseman my friend, I don't think Orlandi
Dr Baldhead wrote:Fair point. He showed certain skills in the first half of the Boro game, touch,movement, polished left foot etc , which instinctively told me that he had been well coached and was
wiseman of hove wrote:No criticism intended, but can you elaborate on the choice of Orlandi? I only ask as he's not really played much yet and I wonder what you've seen in him to make him an automatic starter.
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
He had a decent game at the Amex recently when he was given MOM. On the other hand he was very poor at Watford. My jury's still out on him.
potentially an excellent signing.Like most pretend managers, I make very quick judgements on players! I might be wrong but I would have no hesitation in playing him if he was fit. I know you do not mention Lua Lua - and I recognise his popularity, but puerly as an example he is the type of very predictable player that I feel is not going to lift this club into the top six
actually played against the Boro, or did his performance just past me by?
LACHANCE
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3:49pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Dr Baldhead
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4:06pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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4:20pm Mon 29 Oct 12
heathgate wrote:If you plan on making this a regular occurrence (as you suggest in your subsequent posts), this situation fascinates me.
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
You say 'travel down', which indicates you reside or work some distance from the AMEX. So how and when are you going to make the decision to go to a game, given that the team is announced no more than one hour before kick-off?
Will it be a bit like Russian Roulette, or will you get there in plenty of time regardless, and then naff off when the line-ups are revealed?
Seriously, I'd love to know how you play it, because if you decide too early, and then find out that neither are involved, surely you're going to be REALLY annoyed.
Tommy11
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4:23pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:Barnes is underrated????? are you mental???? he plays every week, every ruddy minute and it kills us!
Thanks for the clarification Wiseman. I tend to agree with your back 5 plus Bridcutt and Buckley. After that, I'd go on current form. I think Barnes is underrated, CMS is overrated and Vincente appears to have been socially castrated. However as those 3 were responsible for the lions share of our goals last season, the sooner they all line up together with the permanent fixtures, the better. UTA!
There can't be a brain under that slap head of yours...
Cabin fever
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4:26pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Some of the comments on here are unbelieveable. Barnes (the goalscorer) stops us scoring; demanding goals and entertainment; writing players off (Dobbie, Lopez), or hyping them up (Orlandi) after a handful of appearances; anything other than two wins out of two (coming off the back of a dreadful run) will not be good enough? For whom exactly?
Get some perspective, and I'm not talking about "we were homeless, blah, blah, blah, Gillingham, waffle, waffle". I'm saying that we are in the second tier of English football – somewhere we are not historically used to being – and competing against experienced and recently ex-Premier League sides.
This project is a work in progress for all concerned - chairman, manager, players. Cut them some slack, and get behind EVERY player that pulls on the shirt, and SUPPORT your team, instead of slating them.
Tommy11
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4:46pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:Its called being a fan mate..and having an opinion - not just kissing every players butts as they wear an Albion shirt.....you should try it sometime.
To save the above being a *really* long post, here's another thing: Some of the comments on here are unbelieveable. Barnes (the goalscorer) stops us scoring; demanding goals and entertainment; writing players off (Dobbie, Lopez), or hyping them up (Orlandi) after a handful of appearances; anything other than two wins out of two (coming off the back of a dreadful run) will not be good enough? For whom exactly? Get some perspective, and I'm not talking about "we were homeless, blah, blah, blah, Gillingham, waffle, waffle". I'm saying that we are in the second tier of English football – somewhere we are not historically used to being – and competing against experienced and recently ex-Premier League sides. This project is a work in progress for all concerned - chairman, manager, players. Cut them some slack, and get behind EVERY player that pulls on the shirt, and SUPPORT your team, instead of slating them.
so what you just said there was load of blah blah...waffle waffle....
seagulljoe
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5:02pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Tommy11 wrote:It is, you're right...and that's cabin fever's opinion!
Cabin fever wrote:Its called being a fan mate..and having an opinion - not just kissing every players butts as they wear an Albion shirt.....you should try it sometime.
To save the above being a *really* long post, here's another thing: Some of the comments on here are unbelieveable. Barnes (the goalscorer) stops us scoring; demanding goals and entertainment; writing players off (Dobbie, Lopez), or hyping them up (Orlandi) after a handful of appearances; anything other than two wins out of two (coming off the back of a dreadful run) will not be good enough? For whom exactly? Get some perspective, and I'm not talking about "we were homeless, blah, blah, blah, Gillingham, waffle, waffle". I'm saying that we are in the second tier of English football – somewhere we are not historically used to being – and competing against experienced and recently ex-Premier League sides. This project is a work in progress for all concerned - chairman, manager, players. Cut them some slack, and get behind EVERY player that pulls on the shirt, and SUPPORT your team, instead of slating them.
so what you just said there was load of blah blah...waffle waffle....
mr punch
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wiseman of hove
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heathgate
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Cabin fever wrote:I have decided already about the Leeds game, lets see how things go after that, but barring injury and hurricanes, he will play Barnes, and probably recall Dicker instead of Hammond or Crofts. If he doesnt I will be over the bleedin moon of course and will return for the next game in the hope he doesnt return to selecting them.
heathgate wrote:If you plan on making this a regular occurrence (as you suggest in your subsequent posts), this situation fascinates me.
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
You say 'travel down', which indicates you reside or work some distance from the AMEX. So how and when are you going to make the decision to go to a game, given that the team is announced no more than one hour before kick-off?
Will it be a bit like Russian Roulette, or will you get there in plenty of time regardless, and then naff off when the line-ups are revealed?
Seriously, I'd love to know how you play it, because if you decide too early, and then find out that neither are involved, surely you're going to be REALLY annoyed.
P W A
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5:34pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Alfie T
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5:44pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:Agree Wisey, Bridcutt is a definite for me, Orlandi against Ipswich was excellent, very slick passing and good movement, bit of pace too. CMS and Buckley also have to start. Dr B,Barnes for me just hasn't got it, you say underrated, sadly not by Gus. Although we haven't seen much of it, I think Dobbie is a player, still need some power up front and I'm dismayed that we haven't found any.
dave from bexill wrote:Thanks Dave - I think it was the Ipswich game where he came off in the second half having picked up an injury. What with forgetting to put Bridcutt in my automatic selections earlier, I think I may need to be rested.
wiseman of hove wrote:Wiseman my friend, I don't think Orlandi
Dr Baldhead wrote:Fair point. He showed certain skills in the first half of the Boro game, touch,movement, polished left foot etc , which instinctively told me that he had been well coached and was
wiseman of hove wrote:No criticism intended, but can you elaborate on the choice of Orlandi? I only ask as he's not really played much yet and I wonder what you've seen in him to make him an automatic starter.
For me, there are eight players that look automatic selections. The back five plus Buckley CMS and Orlandi, The other three starters, and the formation.. who knows?
I certainly want to see Hoskins on the bench.
He had a decent game at the Amex recently when he was given MOM. On the other hand he was very poor at Watford. My jury's still out on him.
potentially an excellent signing.Like most pretend managers, I make very quick judgements on players! I might be wrong but I would have no hesitation in playing him if he was fit. I know you do not mention Lua Lua - and I recognise his popularity, but puerly as an example he is the type of very predictable player that I feel is not going to lift this club into the top six
actually played against the Boro, or did his performance just past me by?
VegasSeagull
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6:18pm Mon 29 Oct 12
As of right now you can pair anyone from our squad with CMS and it won't or has not worked in recent matches.
CMS needs a strike partner, and yes maybe someone better than Barnes, but who ever it is doesn't currently play for Brighton, they have all been tried. It is too easy to point to the ealier games of the season and say that this guy worked or that guy worked, that was before the opposition started to park the bus when coming to the Amex.
As we are now playing against the better teams the need for a CMS replica is very clear. The club must fond th efunds and Poyet must find the player so that a true and effective strike partner can be found for CMS. We must start to play two up front for when we do, and that will depend on how quick we can buy a striker, only then will Dobbie have a real effect striking from midfield. CMS can not be the only target for the midfield to link up with, we must have a twin attack, two are harder to defend against than one. Let me be clear, I am not talking about a target man, I am thinking of an all out striker like CMS, Dobbie can fill that spot once we have the much needed striker.
Find the money, find the player and then find our winning ways once again. CMS can not and will not get us promoted, he needs help.
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Alfie T
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6:33pm Mon 29 Oct 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Not all have been tried, Hoskins could still be a surprise package, he at least deserves a chance when fit.
No matter what people might think of Barnes we must be careful not to use him as a scapegoat for what ails our team.
As of right now you can pair anyone from our squad with CMS and it won't or has not worked in recent matches.
CMS needs a strike partner, and yes maybe someone better than Barnes, but who ever it is doesn't currently play for Brighton, they have all been tried. It is too easy to point to the ealier games of the season and say that this guy worked or that guy worked, that was before the opposition started to park the bus when coming to the Amex.
As we are now playing against the better teams the need for a CMS replica is very clear. The club must fond th efunds and Poyet must find the player so that a true and effective strike partner can be found for CMS. We must start to play two up front for when we do, and that will depend on how quick we can buy a striker, only then will Dobbie have a real effect striking from midfield. CMS can not be the only target for the midfield to link up with, we must have a twin attack, two are harder to defend against than one. Let me be clear, I am not talking about a target man, I am thinking of an all out striker like CMS, Dobbie can fill that spot once we have the much needed striker.
Find the money, find the player and then find our winning ways once again. CMS can not and will not get us promoted, he needs help.
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IRISHGULL
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6:38pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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7:20pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Tommy11 wrote:Um, I hate to point this out, but if you are a 'fan' of something, you generally support it, or at least view it in a positive light.
Cabin fever wrote:Its called being a fan mate..and having an opinion - not just kissing every players butts as they wear an Albion shirt.....you should try it sometime.
To save the above being a *really* long post, here's another thing: Some of the comments on here are unbelieveable. Barnes (the goalscorer) stops us scoring; demanding goals and entertainment; writing players off (Dobbie, Lopez), or hyping them up (Orlandi) after a handful of appearances; anything other than two wins out of two (coming off the back of a dreadful run) will not be good enough? For whom exactly? Get some perspective, and I'm not talking about "we were homeless, blah, blah, blah, Gillingham, waffle, waffle". I'm saying that we are in the second tier of English football – somewhere we are not historically used to being – and competing against experienced and recently ex-Premier League sides. This project is a work in progress for all concerned - chairman, manager, players. Cut them some slack, and get behind EVERY player that pulls on the shirt, and SUPPORT your team, instead of slating them.
so what you just said there was load of blah blah...waffle waffle....
Nothing to do with kissing players' butts, just getting behind them. There IS a difference.
Not really sure what else you're trying to say in your post, "mate", or exactly what you're advising me to try, so I'll leave it there...
Cabin fever
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7:25pm Mon 29 Oct 12
heathgate wrote:Will you walk out of the stadium in disgust if either are selected to play?
Cabin fever wrote:I have decided already about the Leeds game, lets see how things go after that, but barring injury and hurricanes, he will play Barnes, and probably recall Dicker instead of Hammond or Crofts. If he doesnt I will be over the bleedin moon of course and will return for the next game in the hope he doesnt return to selecting them.
heathgate wrote:If you plan on making this a regular occurrence (as you suggest in your subsequent posts), this situation fascinates me.
Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.
You say 'travel down', which indicates you reside or work some distance from the AMEX. So how and when are you going to make the decision to go to a game, given that the team is announced no more than one hour before kick-off?
Will it be a bit like Russian Roulette, or will you get there in plenty of time regardless, and then naff off when the line-ups are revealed?
Seriously, I'd love to know how you play it, because if you decide too early, and then find out that neither are involved, surely you're going to be REALLY annoyed.
I am genuinely interested, but can't understand how choosing two players can ruin your enjoyment to that extent.
GosportGull
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7:43pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Brighton Bill
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8:01pm Mon 29 Oct 12
wiltshire seagull
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heathgate wrote:Fair play, Heathcliffe, Barnes is a bit of an enigma I agree but I bet you'll be at The Amex come Friday! Enjoy.....
wiltshire seagull wrote:Hilarious, so when signed a couple of hold up men, Vokes and Barndoor Billy, why was it that CMS still ended up playing on his own unsupported? When Vokes came on, CMS went off, the only consistent thing gus does is keep Barnes on, and he is a complete waste of good Albion space.
The Real Ryfish wrote:No-one will realise you're not there, mate! With the attitude you have you might as well give your ST away (to me), lol. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you don't sound like a a true-blue to me. I, along with many would like to see a few more goals but it ain't going to happen until we sign a hold-up man for CMS, is it? Patience, my man, patience. Can I let you know the address to send the ST to?? UTA...heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Why the heck did you buy a season ticket then? I hope you will give it to someone who can appreciate the team a bit.
True-blue (true stripes actually), yes I am, but stupidly ignorant of what i see in front of me on match days of late??..... no I am not.
BHArulz
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11:33pm Mon 29 Oct 12
goldstone wrote:Adios to those glory hunting fans then.
john newman wrote:Amen to that. Goals and entertainment please, Gus, or attendances will start to drop.
It was luck we did not lose on Saturday plus great goalkeeping. We want goals and entertainment not 'defensive team of the year '
BHArulz
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11:44pm Mon 29 Oct 12
GosportGull wrote:I think there lays the problem with a lot of Albion fans. Clearly this is a work in progress... Why spend all this time, effort & money, to drop it and resort to a style of football from the past. This is the way forward. As much as it is a bitter pill to swallow we will be better for it in the long run. UTA.
Its not good ... I think Gus needs to realise that we do not have the level of skill to play the Barcelona style and play to OUR strengths not his dream .... We need to play two upfront ..we need a dynamic hardworking battling but creative midfield and we need our defence to do exactly what they are doing ! I would love to see JFC and Vicente play alongside each other but this will never happen .... Im convinced Poyet has his favourites and thats who he will play (Barnes) ... Hammond and Crofts are like Lampard and Gerrard ... two similar ... CMS and Toby/Barker even Buckley need to be threatening up front ... we need some movement and shots on goal from somewhere ... GG
dave from bexill
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8:23am Tue 30 Oct 12
PittaPatta
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8:46am Tue 30 Oct 12
BHArulz wrote:So please tell me why we began the campaign in hare mode, but now, with virtually a full squad to choose from, are we now in snail mode?
GosportGull wrote:I think there lays the problem with a lot of Albion fans. Clearly this is a work in progress... Why spend all this time, effort & money, to drop it and resort to a style of football from the past. This is the way forward. As much as it is a bitter pill to swallow we will be better for it in the long run. UTA.
Its not good ... I think Gus needs to realise that we do not have the level of skill to play the Barcelona style and play to OUR strengths not his dream .... We need to play two upfront ..we need a dynamic hardworking battling but creative midfield and we need our defence to do exactly what they are doing ! I would love to see JFC and Vicente play alongside each other but this will never happen .... Im convinced Poyet has his favourites and thats who he will play (Barnes) ... Hammond and Crofts are like Lampard and Gerrard ... two similar ... CMS and Toby/Barker even Buckley need to be threatening up front ... we need some movement and shots on goal from somewhere ... GG
Had we played Blackpool shortly after the Hull match, and at the same venue, then the outcome would have been so different. And that is based on reports that the home side were back to their early season good form against us.
Yes, we are a work in progress, I agree, but I can also see that we are becoming far too defensive for our own good. It's almost as if there is a return to the 1970's brand of Italian football. The difference being that we are not scoring, or if we are then we cannot maintain the lead.
Sides have long worked our style of play out now, and play to counter this. We should be adapting our style to match the counter play, but for some bizarre reason are completely devoid of any alternative system or style. Gus gets annoyed with the players for failing to adapt. Time, effort and money do not seem to be having the desired effect right now.
Once again, I really hope for a change of fortunes against Leeds. There cannot be a better time to change tack and reinspire the fans.
Dr Baldhead
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9:06am Tue 30 Oct 12
Tommy11 wrote:Each to his own Tommy (you seem quite tense for an 11 year old by the way. Perhaps a mug of hot chocolate and an episode of Blue Peter may help).
Dr Baldhead wrote:Barnes is underrated????? are you mental???? he plays every week, every ruddy minute and it kills us!
Thanks for the clarification Wiseman. I tend to agree with your back 5 plus Bridcutt and Buckley. After that, I'd go on current form. I think Barnes is underrated, CMS is overrated and Vincente appears to have been socially castrated. However as those 3 were responsible for the lions share of our goals last season, the sooner they all line up together with the permanent fixtures, the better. UTA!
There can't be a brain under that slap head of yours...
Anyway, Happy Birthday to Ashley Barnes! 23 today. Long may you continue to average 1 goal every 3 games for the Albion despite frequently being played out of position.
BHArulz
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9:55am Tue 30 Oct 12
PittaPatta wrote:Granted we have hit a bad run in form. But when you look at the games there has been a degree of bad luck. Should have beaten m'boro how we didn't I'm not sure. I do think everyone is reading in to the situation to much. And suggestions to bring in barker are just ridiculous. Come the end of the season we will be in the to end of the table. So keep calm, have a cup of tea and think of England.
BHArulz wrote:So please tell me why we began the campaign in hare mode, but now, with virtually a full squad to choose from, are we now in snail mode?
GosportGull wrote:I think there lays the problem with a lot of Albion fans. Clearly this is a work in progress... Why spend all this time, effort & money, to drop it and resort to a style of football from the past. This is the way forward. As much as it is a bitter pill to swallow we will be better for it in the long run. UTA.
Its not good ... I think Gus needs to realise that we do not have the level of skill to play the Barcelona style and play to OUR strengths not his dream .... We need to play two upfront ..we need a dynamic hardworking battling but creative midfield and we need our defence to do exactly what they are doing ! I would love to see JFC and Vicente play alongside each other but this will never happen .... Im convinced Poyet has his favourites and thats who he will play (Barnes) ... Hammond and Crofts are like Lampard and Gerrard ... two similar ... CMS and Toby/Barker even Buckley need to be threatening up front ... we need some movement and shots on goal from somewhere ... GG
Had we played Blackpool shortly after the Hull match, and at the same venue, then the outcome would have been so different. And that is based on reports that the home side were back to their early season good form against us.
Yes, we are a work in progress, I agree, but I can also see that we are becoming far too defensive for our own good. It's almost as if there is a return to the 1970's brand of Italian football. The difference being that we are not scoring, or if we are then we cannot maintain the lead.
Sides have long worked our style of play out now, and play to counter this. We should be adapting our style to match the counter play, but for some bizarre reason are completely devoid of any alternative system or style. Gus gets annoyed with the players for failing to adapt. Time, effort and money do not seem to be having the desired effect right now.
Once again, I really hope for a change of fortunes against Leeds. There cannot be a better time to change tack and reinspire the fans.
andyp123
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12:34pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Claude Back wrote:Claude, your comments are usually amongst the few worth reading. However, can't agree today. Gus has already built his own team; perhaps just not as wisely as we may have hoped.
Gus' comments on Sky.
"I am very happy with the result but I don't think it was a fair result because Blackpool were by far the better team so I think we should be delighted with a point," said Poyet.
"Football is a funny game. Sometimes you can create 10 or 20 chances and get nothing. Here we did nothing and I don't know how we scored.
"You can call it luck I suppose and when it happens you are happy to accept it.
"There was no celebration when we scored. The players didn't run and celebrate with the fans, probably because they were so shocked and so surprised to have got a goal at that stage of the game.
"But I won't complain with a point, I will gladly take it.
What an honest man. Clearly he knows we are not quite there yet but when he finishes building his team, we will be. Maybe not this season but surely next?
Brighton Bill
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2:32pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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2:39pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Brighton Bill wrote:Ex-players in scoring goals shocker!
Did you all notice how players that have played for us and have moved on and scored on Saturday, at least 3.
Did you notice how one of our CURRENT strikers scored a goal on Saturday?
Captain Haddock
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10:08am Thu 1 Nov 12
B-hove wrote:Indeed. Phallus Ferguson is a stinking hypocrite who lacks class.
Fed up with this wrote:You're not going mad. Last year Howard Webb refereed this match and he awarded Man Utd two penalties that gave them a face-saving draw. (Rumour has it when Man Utd approached Arsenal for Van Persie, the London club asked for Webb in part-exchange).
PittaPatta wrote:Am I going mad ? Although not a fan of either I watched Chelsea V Man Utd on tv. But I see it every Man Utd game what I see as a bent referee . No matter who is the ref they always ,seem to make a game changing decision in favour of Utd.
heathgate wrote: Mark my words, on friday, he will bring back Dicker, and keep Barnes,... a combination that is stopping me travelling down. Season ticket or not, I refuse to watch thos two when there are better in the squad.Cannot believe this. Irrespective of your thoughts on the two players, you purchase a season ticket to support the team, not to support your own misguided feelings on team selection, etc. We all have our grievances, as I clearly indicated over Saturday, but that would never prevent me from watching the team that means more to me than any disagreement I might have over team selection or policy
The sending off of Torres was a farse and alIowing an of-side goal only made me think it is crooked refereeing,it is ruining the game.Am I going Mad? please tell me i'm wrong.
Fergie said tha Man Utd were owed a few decisions - you can rely on the opposite being true in most things he has to say regarding match decisions involving his team.
Owed decisions? Lucky twice with pens vs Liverpool (where the stoppage time given was way off too), lucky EVERY YEAR vs Wigan it seems, WBA...the list goes on.
Can't stand the bloke and he's not the Master Of Kidology buffoons keep describing him as - he's as unsubtle as a brick...Mourinho was far better at it for eg.
Captain Haddock
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10:18am Thu 1 Nov 12
Cabin fever wrote:Spot on !
To save the above being a *really* long post, here's another thing:
Some of the comments on here are unbelieveable. Barnes (the goalscorer) stops us scoring; demanding goals and entertainment; writing players off (Dobbie, Lopez), or hyping them up (Orlandi) after a handful of appearances; anything other than two wins out of two (coming off the back of a dreadful run) will not be good enough? For whom exactly?
Get some perspective, and I'm not talking about "we were homeless, blah, blah, blah, Gillingham, waffle, waffle". I'm saying that we are in the second tier of English football – somewhere we are not historically used to being – and competing against experienced and recently ex-Premier League sides.
This project is a work in progress for all concerned - chairman, manager, players. Cut them some slack, and get behind EVERY player that pulls on the shirt, and SUPPORT your team, instead of slating them.
7Rookie says...
9:39am Mon 29 Oct 12