Albion prospect joins Chesterfield (From The Argus)

Good luck to Ben at Chesterfield; I hope the experience puts him in good stead for the future. I hope too that an agreement can be found to let Matt Sparrow get back to Scunnie. To argue over finances when he has been told there is no future here - and he can get back to the club where he spent 10 or 11 years of his career sounds a tad too trifling to someone like me who has not invested a penny in the club - other than the usual entrance money, shirts, programmes, etc... No doubt there are bottom lines to be inspected and all the rest but there should be a human side to it all too... God, I never thought I would get all morals and sentimentality - not here anyway. Rest assured it won't last. And if that Freeloader git puts his illiterate, irrational spoke in yet again I may have to face GBH charges...! Oh well, it will be worth it so fingers crossed!

Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

What a happy little soul you are.

Alfie T wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

What a happy little soul you are.

Happy I am, the money owed is all to TB so nothing to panic about.. Unlike most of clubs owing it to banks etc.
Still work to be done though, the food and bar areas are shockingly poor service, club are losing out on profit by people not bothering to even try and get a drink or food...

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

I'd add that if this figure is true and that we do indeed need to reach the Premiership to balance the books then Mr Bloom might have to dig deep just one more time for that illusive striker we need. Without him I fear we will come up just short again.
Thank you Mr Bloom for your support of our great club. I truly hope that one day you will reap the rewards of your investment in to our club.

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

Club lost in excess of 7.5 million last year.. Club accounts will show that. All money owed is interest free loans from one individual.

mark by the sea wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

Club lost in excess of 7.5 million last year.. Club accounts will show that. All money owed is interest free loans from one individual.

It's common knowledge that TB has financed the stadium and soon to start training academy with interest free loans, but the additional loss of 7.5 million is surprising and unsustainable. We have a smallish squad with an average pay structure as GM's departure to Palace will confirm. MBS, losses are based on fact or supposition ?

It's common knowledge Murray wanted 12k a week .. We now have a lot of players on that wage.. And more! Cms is on nearer 20 k
Those figures are fact.

mark by the sea wrote:
It's common knowledge Murray wanted 12k a week .. We now have a lot of players on that wage.. And more! Cms is on nearer 20 k
Those figures are fact.

I have to say that I am completely ignorant of players wages. If what you say is fact, Murray's apparent demands do not seem excessive. Just wish I had become a footballer!

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

Also agree(alarmed if this is true)

We all know that the ground and improvements have cost around 110 million but we have healthy revenue and are servicing an interest free loan

Spend on players and sales have more or less wiped their faces so i am intrigued to know where this huge amount comes from (If true)

Can anyone throw some light on this?

Not sure who thinks that we have not spent a fortune bringing in players? For instance on a lower level, tommy ELphick received 90k as a signing on fee... I would imagine the club have covered moving fees for bridge, Hammond etc.. Plus.
While we have not hit the millions, wages etc are massive at this level .

mark by the sea wrote:
Not sure who thinks that we have not spent a fortune bringing in players? For instance on a lower level, tommy ELphick received 90k as a signing on fee... I would imagine the club have covered moving fees for bridge, Hammond etc.. Plus.
While we have not hit the millions, wages etc are massive at this level .

Mark, you say we had a loss of 7,5 million last season

Does that include loan repayments or just operating costs?
Be more specific if you want to quote figures

Surely a persons wages are a private matter between them and the Company they work for. I would love to know how people know 'for a fact' how much certain players earn. Also, Mark how come you seem to know so much about the Albion finances. If you are employed by them, you must be in a very privilaged position to have all this information at your fingertips, if you are not in their employment then surely it must be guesswork on your part.

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Top post mark.Les hope fans soon all wake up & see that will never happen under Gus & Oatway.Nooney said not a chance im taking the move.

mark by the sea wrote:
It's common knowledge Murray wanted 12k a week .. We now have a lot of players on that wage.. And more! Cms is on nearer 20 k
Those figures are fact.

Mark you will never get it into their heads.Their like children most of them.It will be your a Palace fan.Wake up the club is in trouble.Bloom told Gus long ago he needs the 60 million from the prem league & the 17 million you get if you come straight back down.Thanks to Gus now Palace will get it & Blooms backed Gus big time with money on wages.As mark points out.Wake up you silly people.

Carlas mum wrote:
Surely a persons wages are a private matter between them and the Company they work for. I would love to know how people know 'for a fact' how much certain players earn. Also, Mark how come you seem to know so much about the Albion finances. If you are employed by them, you must be in a very privilaged position to have all this information at your fingertips, if you are not in their employment then surely it must be guesswork on your part.

So how do we know Rooney is on 200k a week.? Some things become knowledge without employer or employee divulging info....
Cms turned down 25k a week.. And decided to join us after talking to Sven .good players earn very good money. Top players earn silly money. That's common knowledge.. But without anyone saying.

Good luck Ben .
Saturday team ?
Kuz
Bruno Greer dunk bridge
Crofts Bridcutt Orlandi
Buckley Dobbie cms

Subs hoskins barker Hammond dave Calderon ankergen Agestein

Think Barnes needs rest

Corners not working so perhaps
Take short corners and use Buckley Orlandi or Bridge to run at defenders on edge of penalty box

Anyway we win 1 nil at wolves
Seagulls!!!!

I'm still trying to work out just how so many of the posts on this thread relate to the lad going out on loan for a month.

So keeping on topic, I wish the lad good luck but I wonder why the loan is only for a month.
Good luck to Sparrow too, maybe a sale can be agreed come january.

We probaly have two or three other development squad players that could go out on loan but I guess it's too late now.. . .

hannover seagull wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Not sure who thinks that we have not spent a fortune bringing in players? For instance on a lower level, tommy ELphick received 90k as a signing on fee... I would imagine the club have covered moving fees for bridge, Hammond etc.. Plus.
While we have not hit the millions, wages etc are massive at this level .

Mark, you say we had a loss of 7,5 million last season

Does that include loan repayments or just operating costs?
Be more specific if you want to quote figures

He can't be more specific because he doesn't really know the facts. If we really are in a parlours financial position, then why I we happy to make do and not invest in the playing staff? Remember the ultimate prize is even more financially rewarding and could go a huge way to repaying TB. This is a very well run club and business with I'm certain a very robust plan for the next five years, the Premiership is coming we just need to be patient and do it right.

mark by the sea wrote:

Carlas mum wrote:
Surely a persons wages are a private matter between them and the Company they work for. I would love to know how people know 'for a fact' how much certain players earn. Also, Mark how come you seem to know so much about the Albion finances. If you are employed by them, you must be in a very privilaged position to have all this information at your fingertips, if you are not in their employment then surely it must be guesswork on your part.

So how do we know Rooney is on 200k a week.? Some things become knowledge without employer or employee divulging info....
Cms turned down 25k a week.. And decided to join us after talking to Sven .good players earn very good money. Top players earn silly money. That's common knowledge.. But without anyone saying.

Sorry Mark. we don't 'know' Rooney earns 200k per week, it is only speculation. We can only be certain if Rooney or Man U release the information.

mark by the sea wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

Club lost in excess of 7.5 million last year.. Club accounts will show that. All money owed is interest free loans from one individual.

Talking rubbish, you've plucked a figure out of the sky and scare mongering. The more business savvy amongst us know your talking crap.

Just wait till accounts come out!

SMF20 wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

I'd add that if this figure is true and that we do indeed need to reach the Premiership to balance the books then Mr Bloom might have to dig deep just one more time for that illusive striker we need. Without him I fear we will come up just short again.
Thank you Mr Bloom for your support of our great club. I truly hope that one day you will reap the rewards of your investment in to our club.

Until we get a manager who is not afraid of getting to the Premiership and giving it a go we've no chance.

Today's Argus has him giving the team the kiss of death once again just because of his own fears - just the same old drivel when he said the same thing last season when we were still in the play off positions.

Gus, part of your job is to IMPROVE the players under your charge who YOU bought! I can't believe how easily some people are conned by the BS! This media love him as they just have to put on their recorders, ask him innocuous meaningless questions and let him spout.

Once again the team and our chances of promotion have been killed by his impetuous comments today.

To those who say he's trying to motivate the players to prove him wrong don't understand if you want to motivate you don't make comments like that publicly. When you do - there's only one purpose - cover your backside - FEAR! The same fear that stops him playing 2 upfront at home week after week.

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Good for Ben together some experience, and great to get matt off the payroll .. Although the Albion will probably pay 50% of wages..
Club are now in dept to the tune of 160 million.
Premiership football is needed to balance the books.

Where has that figure come from and how does it break down? If its true ill admit to being a little concerned by this.. It's an awfully high number.

I'd add that if this figure is true and that we do indeed need to reach the Premiership to balance the books then Mr Bloom might have to dig deep just one more time for that illusive striker we need. Without him I fear we will come up just short again.
Thank you Mr Bloom for your support of our great club. I truly hope that one day you will reap the rewards of your investment in to our club.

Until we get a manager who is not afraid of getting to the Premiership and giving it a go we've no chance.

Today's Argus has him giving the team the kiss of death once again just because of his own fears - just the same old drivel when he said the same thing last season when we were still in the play off positions.

Gus, part of your job is to IMPROVE the players under your charge who YOU bought! I can't believe how easily some people are conned by the BS! This media love him as they just have to put on their recorders, ask him innocuous meaningless questions and let him spout.

Once again the team and our chances of promotion have been killed by his impetuous comments today.

To those who say he's trying to motivate the players to prove him wrong don't understand if you want to motivate you don't make comments like that publicly. When you do - there's only one purpose - cover your backside - FEAR! The same fear that stops him playing 2 upfront at home week after week.

I think I disagrewe with just about everything you say.

mark by the sea wrote:
Just wait till accounts come out!

Mark if accounts show a uncontrollable dept of 160 million then I will apologise unreservedly.

paul the hill wrote:
Good luck Ben .
Saturday team ?
Kuz
Bruno Greer dunk bridge
Crofts Bridcutt Orlandi
Buckley Dobbie cms

Subs hoskins barker Hammond dave Calderon ankergen Agestein

Think Barnes needs rest

Corners not working so perhaps
Take short corners and use Buckley Orlandi or Bridge to run at defenders on edge of penalty box

Anyway we win 1 nil at wolves
Seagulls!!!!

Why does Barnes, the real Man of the Match against Posh, need a rest?

Seagull John wrote:

paul the hill wrote: Good luck Ben . Saturday team ? Kuz Bruno Greer dunk bridge Crofts Bridcutt Orlandi Buckley Dobbie cms Subs hoskins barker Hammond dave Calderon ankergen Agestein Think Barnes needs rest Corners not working so perhaps Take short corners and use Buckley Orlandi or Bridge to run at defenders on edge of penalty box Anyway we win 1 nil at wolves Seagulls!!!!

Why does Barnes, the real Man of the Match against Posh, need a rest?

Just goes to show - everyone has different views on just about every player!

Some either love Barnes or think he's useless. Some love Dobbie or think he's useless. Some love Bruno, others think he makes too many mistakes. Even CMS has his detractorsbecause his first touch isn't always that good. Bridcutt and Greer often get rave reviews...but some people think their passing is poor/negative.

It's a game of opinions. We all have different views.

Me.. I think all the above have a contribution to make. None of them are useless. Yes CMS's control sometimes lets him down, but hey! not many defenders can cope with him when he is flying and his work-rate is second to none. Barnes does fall over a lot, and his passing and control is sometimes faulty, but he does a lot of good things, works hard, links well with other players and is capable of scoring some vital goals. Dobbie initially lacked pace, but is getting fitter and faster, and his quality is great:- Good feet and a fantastic shot. Greer is good defensively, has good positional sense, but moans a lot at others when it's him who has made a mistake, and his passing out of defence is often negative and often puts his own team mates under pressure. Bridcutt is great defensively, has good control and awareness, but his passing and creativity (vision) needs to improve.
etc etc

I think Gus is well aware of these things. Perhaps he does have his favourites (Barnes?) but what messageboarder doesn't also have favourites?

As for the club's debt. I would rather be where we are now than where we were 10 games from the end of season 2008-09, (and going further back, 1997)!!!
For those of you who have forgotten a certain striker, Lloyd Owusu was signed on loan from Cheltenham by Russell Slade in 2009 and hit 7 vital goals to help us turn a dire position (9 points from safety) to a last day of the season escape from Div 2. If we had lost that last game against Stockport, it would have been us relegated and not Northampton.

Tony Bloom loves this club too much to start economising now, especially when the club is so close to the top level. He loves to speculate to accumulate, and I'm sure he will continue to do so. Obviously he will be hoping we can recruit and develop some young talent like Saints have done over the years (Walcott, Bale, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc).

Less of the scare-mongering Mark-by-the-sea, and more positive thinking!