Dunk set to keep his place (From The Argus)

Put El- Abd in Barnes's position, I am sure he will do a better job than him!!

There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.

I don't mind Dunk playing tonight, but I think El-Abd should start against Palace on Saturday. He's got that steel to him that can help him deal with a derby as big as this and he seems more passionate than Dunk.

I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes!

PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.

l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.

Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.

Gus has always said that squad players who are not in the team on the pitch, need to take their chance when it comes, Lewis Dunk has done exactly that.
I love Adam El Abd,s play and passion, but now he has to wait and take his chance.
UTA......Plenty of noise tonight guys, help them to the big win that they deserve.

LACHANCE wrote:

PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.

l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.

You are talking nonsense about GG , he was the one brought in to organise the back four, our goals against is top class, you should watch the 7-1 loss against Huddersfield, I was there , total lack of communication , lack of leadership, lack of mental backbone.
Easy to drop a player who does not bring this to the side, he is a winner, a leader, on a footballing sense, a good passer of the ball.
I would not like to see him out of the side, look at the results end of last year, we let in weak soft goals.
Barnes to be dropped for David is my call.

anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.

mark by the sea wrote:

LACHANCE wrote:

PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.

l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.

You are talking nonsense about GG , he was the one brought in to organise the back four, our goals against is top class, you should watch the 7-1 loss against Huddersfield, I was there , total lack of communication , lack of leadership, lack of mental backbone.
Easy to drop a player who does not bring this to the side, he is a winner, a leader, on a footballing sense, a good passer of the ball.
I would not like to see him out of the side, look at the results end of last year, we let in weak soft goals.
Barnes to be dropped for David is my call.

The Greer thinking is an opinion, and as LACHANCE points out, he has been the main weakness in our finishing to matches. This has cost us many points to date, and so combined with the lack of firepower in scoring goals, has left us outside the play-off places instead of being in the top two, where our general play should have us.
I too was at the Huddersfield game, and have never forgotten how totally devoid of anything football wise we were then. As much as GG has helped to get us to where we are now, we are moving on, and he will not stand up to the rigours of the higher levels we wish to reach.
Opinions Mark, opinions! You have yours, but there is no way your thinking will alter my beliefs on this matter.

Nathan L wrote:
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.

Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.

mark by the sea wrote:

Nathan L wrote:
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.

Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.

Agreed, Barnes has been pilloried again because of the penalty miss, which was unfortunate, but many more players will take them and miss too! For me, Barnes has been instructed to play in a role than is technically "out of position" for him. Ultimately he is a goal poacher and should be playing the forward role, which is where he is strong. Poyet is obviously happy that Barnes is doing what he wants him to do and is learning to adapt the hard way in a tough league. To my untrained eye, he offers valuable defensive cover, with track backs etc and Gus clearly sees more also that we do not. If Barnes was playing the role he is best at, he would be scoring goals and we would all be happy. He is not, so I think we must accept he is doing a good job and that is why he is permanently in the side. Blame the master, not his slave!

How refreshing to see a range of views and opinions without all the usual suspects piling in with provocative nonsense. As long as we remain solid at the back we should get a win tonight. Would set up us nicely for the little game at the weekend.

Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances.
The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc).
Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greer is right for Brighton at the level we are currently at, is he a prem defender, not to my mind he isn't but we are not in the prem are we.
When Gus went shopping to build our back five his plan probabaly started with the captain and the rest were built around him.
If/when we get promoted they maybe the Greer knockers will see a change and that for me would be understandable.

wole wrote:
I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes!

This is no laughing matter young man.....

If Barnes does not start then we have to say that it was his poor finishing that let him down as I doubt too many would knock his work rate up and down the park.
Dobbie might be the better finisher of the two but does he have the same work rate.
Hoskins could be a wild card choice to replace Barnes I am just not sure that Gus will gamble.
David seems to be the likely replacement but have we seen enough of him to say he will and can do both jobs.
If Barnes does not start I doubt he will even make the bench as I think Hoskins will fill that seat.

Dropping Branes might mean that a change will be made in midfield too, someone to replace the defensive side of Barnes game and someone to finish off the chances he missed up front.

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances. The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc). Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post needs to be reported for being far too sensible!

For me it's purely a confidence issue with Barnes, once it dips it does so on spectacular fashion. May have started when him and TK had that on-field bust up a few weeks back, when his confidence is flying he's it's a very different player we see, but agree he shouldn't start tonight. Dunk has done a sound job since coming in, probably need El-She's muscle on Sat though.

roast wrote:

wole wrote:
I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes!

This is no laughing matter young man.....

Why would you comment on your own post?
Joking is right!

mark5 wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

Nathan L wrote:
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.

Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.

Agreed, Barnes has been pilloried again because of the penalty miss, which was unfortunate, but many more players will take them and miss too! For me, Barnes has been instructed to play in a role than is technically "out of position" for him. Ultimately he is a goal poacher and should be playing the forward role, which is where he is strong. Poyet is obviously happy that Barnes is doing what he wants him to do and is learning to adapt the hard way in a tough league. To my untrained eye, he offers valuable defensive cover, with track backs etc and Gus clearly sees more also that we do not. If Barnes was playing the role he is best at, he would be scoring goals and we would all be happy. He is not, so I think we must accept he is doing a good job and that is why he is permanently in the side. Blame the master, not his slave!

Haha Barnes didn't do too well 'poaching' the penalty rebound on Saturday?! However he does a lot of good too. That said we cannot afford misses like that it will be the difference between promotion or not.

On another note I absolutely love this very deep, insightful and almost poetic quote from Dean Hammond printed on the club website today, commenting on the strength of the division:

“It’s so strong it maybe just needs a team to keep consistently winning to become the top side."

You think so Dean? ;-).

This talk Greer is rediculous. He has been inspirational and should be.second on team.sheet after Bridcutt. Maybe Barnes needs a rest. Bring back jfc. Talk of Bridcutt I have a horrible feeling he could used in a deal for a front man
during the window.

tug509 says...
11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12


campotolox wrote:
TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!!
Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not

I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?

StevieD wrote:
Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.

The problem is that Bruno was isolated with nobody covering him. This has happened several times near the end of a match. It needs to be tightened up so that we don't concede last minute goals.

Harry Redknapp made a great comment today when he was discussing what he needs to get success. He said "I've no time for people losing the ball and throwing their arms up in the air, and standing around with their hands on their hips."

I am not anti Barnes for missing penalties or even chances and certainly not personal as I don't know the young man at a personal level. However I do notice that he does exactly what Harry is describing more often than not when he is dispossessed or fouled.

I also acknowledge that he has only ever played non league, Div 1, Div 2 and now Championship with us.

If, as Gus keeps telling us, we aren't good enough for the Premiership because we need players who have played in Premiership in forward positions to compliment the ones with that experience we have at the back - I can't understand why Dobbie and Lopez don't feature for lengthy spells as they have exactly what Gus says he needs and he must rate them as he brought them in.

What could be the reason? Whatever Barnes does I don't see him as Premiership quality.

I hope Dobbie and Hoskins and Lopez get a look in tonight and we see a few Albion goals early on.

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12


campotolox wrote:
TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!!
Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not

I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?

Jack mutton and Harman .. Good teachers in the Paul Clarke no nonsense.. Funny how the ones we were scared of are the ones to remember! Mr fox the music teacher, he would be a mate of jimmy saville s! Had boys over his knee with a slipper at every chance he could.. I do hope the sweat he produced was due to exertion!

mark by the sea wrote:

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12


campotolox wrote:
TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!!
Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not

I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?

Jack mutton and Harman .. Good teachers in the Paul Clarke no nonsense.. Funny how the ones we were scared of are the ones to remember! Mr fox the music teacher, he would be a mate of jimmy saville s! Had boys over his knee with a slipper at every chance he could.. I do hope the sweat he produced was due to exertion!

http://www.mybrighto
nandhove.org.uk/page
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5p206p1659p.aspx

StevieD wrote:
Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.

It's not a case of falling asleep, it's more a case of the opposition throwing absolutely everything at an equaliser. Sometimes they score, sometimes nothing changes, and sometimes (as should have happened on Sat) we score. Goals have ALWAYS been scored at the death. They always will.

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances.
The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc).
Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good post although I think Barnes might benefit from having a break and I would like to see Hoskins given a start.
I still would like to see CMS and Hosko on the pitch at the same time and it might be interesting to see if we played 4-4-2 at Home how many goals we score.
I too noted Bristol's away win on Sarurday.

LACHANCE wrote:

PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.

l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.

So its Gordon Greers turn to be singled out for your undermining posts is it !!!!!!!!