Dunk set to keep his place

The Argus: Lewis Dunk  has played in the last four games for Albion Lewis Dunk has played in the last four games for Albion

Albion manager Gus Poyet is poised to keep faith with “lucky” Lewis Dunk against Bristol City at The Amex tonight.

Adam El-Abd is back in the squad after four matches out with hamstring trouble but Poyet has hinted he will stick with Dunk in the centre of defence.

El-Abd had been ever-present for the Seagulls in the Championship this season until he was injured against Leeds at the start of the month.

Dunk, 21 on Saturday when Albion visit arch-rivals Crystal Palace, has deputised in wins against Peterborough and Huddersfield and draws with Wolves and Bolton.

Poyet said: “He has done enough to make it difficult for me. I also think he has been a bit lucky because he has been involved in games that we practically controlled completely.

“When you control the game so much and you are a defender, you are not defending too many times and that helps you a lot.

“It was a different story for Adam El-Abd at Blackpool, where he had to defend 250 crosses and ten breaks and people coming from everywhere. That was a difficult one for a defender.

“But we cannot pick the players on luck, we pick the players on performances, and Dunky did very well, so it’s going to be difficult.”

See The Argus today for a two-page preview of tonight's clash with Bristol City

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9:34am Tue 27 Nov 12

wole says...

Put El- Abd in Barnes's position, I am sure he will do a better job than him!!
Put El- Abd in Barnes's position, I am sure he will do a better job than him!! wole

10:01am Tue 27 Nov 12

PittaPatta says...

There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them. Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in. Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play. PittaPatta

10:12am Tue 27 Nov 12

LiamMcmillen says...

I don't mind Dunk playing tonight, but I think El-Abd should start against Palace on Saturday. He's got that steel to him that can help him deal with a derby as big as this and he seems more passionate than Dunk.
I don't mind Dunk playing tonight, but I think El-Abd should start against Palace on Saturday. He's got that steel to him that can help him deal with a derby as big as this and he seems more passionate than Dunk. LiamMcmillen

10:20am Tue 27 Nov 12

wole says...

I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes!
I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes! wole

10:40am Tue 27 Nov 12

LACHANCE says...

PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.
l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.
[quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them. Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in. Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.[/p][/quote]l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them. LACHANCE

10:44am Tue 27 Nov 12

StevieD says...

Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.
Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there. StevieD

11:01am Tue 27 Nov 12

Gee Jay says...

Gus has always said that squad players who are not in the team on the pitch, need to take their chance when it comes, Lewis Dunk has done exactly that.
I love Adam El Abd,s play and passion, but now he has to wait and take his chance.
UTA......Plenty of noise tonight guys, help them to the big win that they deserve.
Gus has always said that squad players who are not in the team on the pitch, need to take their chance when it comes, Lewis Dunk has done exactly that. I love Adam El Abd,s play and passion, but now he has to wait and take his chance. UTA......Plenty of noise tonight guys, help them to the big win that they deserve. Gee Jay

11:07am Tue 27 Nov 12

mark by the sea says...

LACHANCE wrote:
PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.
l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.
You are talking nonsense about GG , he was the one brought in to organise the back four, our goals against is top class, you should watch the 7-1 loss against Huddersfield, I was there , total lack of communication , lack of leadership, lack of mental backbone.
Easy to drop a player who does not bring this to the side, he is a winner, a leader, on a footballing sense, a good passer of the ball.
I would not like to see him out of the side, look at the results end of last year, we let in weak soft goals.
Barnes to be dropped for David is my call.
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them. Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in. Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.[/p][/quote]l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.[/p][/quote]You are talking nonsense about GG , he was the one brought in to organise the back four, our goals against is top class, you should watch the 7-1 loss against Huddersfield, I was there , total lack of communication , lack of leadership, lack of mental backbone. Easy to drop a player who does not bring this to the side, he is a winner, a leader, on a footballing sense, a good passer of the ball. I would not like to see him out of the side, look at the results end of last year, we let in weak soft goals. Barnes to be dropped for David is my call. mark by the sea

11:18am Tue 27 Nov 12

Nathan L says...

anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player. Nathan L

11:25am Tue 27 Nov 12

PittaPatta says...

mark by the sea wrote:
LACHANCE wrote:
PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.
l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.
You are talking nonsense about GG , he was the one brought in to organise the back four, our goals against is top class, you should watch the 7-1 loss against Huddersfield, I was there , total lack of communication , lack of leadership, lack of mental backbone.
Easy to drop a player who does not bring this to the side, he is a winner, a leader, on a footballing sense, a good passer of the ball.
I would not like to see him out of the side, look at the results end of last year, we let in weak soft goals.
Barnes to be dropped for David is my call.
The Greer thinking is an opinion, and as LACHANCE points out, he has been the main weakness in our finishing to matches. This has cost us many points to date, and so combined with the lack of firepower in scoring goals, has left us outside the play-off places instead of being in the top two, where our general play should have us.
I too was at the Huddersfield game, and have never forgotten how totally devoid of anything football wise we were then. As much as GG has helped to get us to where we are now, we are moving on, and he will not stand up to the rigours of the higher levels we wish to reach.
Opinions Mark, opinions! You have yours, but there is no way your thinking will alter my beliefs on this matter.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them. Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in. Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.[/p][/quote]l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.[/p][/quote]You are talking nonsense about GG , he was the one brought in to organise the back four, our goals against is top class, you should watch the 7-1 loss against Huddersfield, I was there , total lack of communication , lack of leadership, lack of mental backbone. Easy to drop a player who does not bring this to the side, he is a winner, a leader, on a footballing sense, a good passer of the ball. I would not like to see him out of the side, look at the results end of last year, we let in weak soft goals. Barnes to be dropped for David is my call.[/p][/quote]The Greer thinking is an opinion, and as LACHANCE points out, he has been the main weakness in our finishing to matches. This has cost us many points to date, and so combined with the lack of firepower in scoring goals, has left us outside the play-off places instead of being in the top two, where our general play should have us. I too was at the Huddersfield game, and have never forgotten how totally devoid of anything football wise we were then. As much as GG has helped to get us to where we are now, we are moving on, and he will not stand up to the rigours of the higher levels we wish to reach. Opinions Mark, opinions! You have yours, but there is no way your thinking will alter my beliefs on this matter. PittaPatta

11:26am Tue 27 Nov 12

mark by the sea says...

Nathan L wrote:
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.
Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.
[quote][p][bold]Nathan L[/bold] wrote: anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.[/p][/quote]Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted. mark by the sea

11:43am Tue 27 Nov 12

mark5 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Nathan L wrote:
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.
Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.
Agreed, Barnes has been pilloried again because of the penalty miss, which was unfortunate, but many more players will take them and miss too! For me, Barnes has been instructed to play in a role than is technically "out of position" for him. Ultimately he is a goal poacher and should be playing the forward role, which is where he is strong. Poyet is obviously happy that Barnes is doing what he wants him to do and is learning to adapt the hard way in a tough league. To my untrained eye, he offers valuable defensive cover, with track backs etc and Gus clearly sees more also that we do not. If Barnes was playing the role he is best at, he would be scoring goals and we would all be happy. He is not, so I think we must accept he is doing a good job and that is why he is permanently in the side. Blame the master, not his slave!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nathan L[/bold] wrote: anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.[/p][/quote]Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Agreed, Barnes has been pilloried again because of the penalty miss, which was unfortunate, but many more players will take them and miss too! For me, Barnes has been instructed to play in a role than is technically "out of position" for him. Ultimately he is a goal poacher and should be playing the forward role, which is where he is strong. Poyet is obviously happy that Barnes is doing what he wants him to do and is learning to adapt the hard way in a tough league. To my untrained eye, he offers valuable defensive cover, with track backs etc and Gus clearly sees more also that we do not. If Barnes was playing the role he is best at, he would be scoring goals and we would all be happy. He is not, so I think we must accept he is doing a good job and that is why he is permanently in the side. Blame the master, not his slave! mark5

12:10pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Chi Gull says...

How refreshing to see a range of views and opinions without all the usual suspects piling in with provocative nonsense. As long as we remain solid at the back we should get a win tonight. Would set up us nicely for the little game at the weekend.
How refreshing to see a range of views and opinions without all the usual suspects piling in with provocative nonsense. As long as we remain solid at the back we should get a win tonight. Would set up us nicely for the little game at the weekend. Chi Gull

12:55pm Tue 27 Nov 12

fairweathersupporter says...

Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances.
The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc).
Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances. The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc). Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! fairweathersupporter

1:09pm Tue 27 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

Greer is right for Brighton at the level we are currently at, is he a prem defender, not to my mind he isn't but we are not in the prem are we.
When Gus went shopping to build our back five his plan probabaly started with the captain and the rest were built around him.
If/when we get promoted they maybe the Greer knockers will see a change and that for me would be understandable.
Greer is right for Brighton at the level we are currently at, is he a prem defender, not to my mind he isn't but we are not in the prem are we. When Gus went shopping to build our back five his plan probabaly started with the captain and the rest were built around him. If/when we get promoted they maybe the Greer knockers will see a change and that for me would be understandable. VegasSeagull

1:27pm Tue 27 Nov 12

roast says...

wole wrote:
I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes!
This is no laughing matter young man.....
[quote][p][bold]wole[/bold] wrote: I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes![/p][/quote]This is no laughing matter young man..... roast

1:33pm Tue 27 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

If Barnes does not start then we have to say that it was his poor finishing that let him down as I doubt too many would knock his work rate up and down the park.
Dobbie might be the better finisher of the two but does he have the same work rate.
Hoskins could be a wild card choice to replace Barnes I am just not sure that Gus will gamble.
David seems to be the likely replacement but have we seen enough of him to say he will and can do both jobs.
If Barnes does not start I doubt he will even make the bench as I think Hoskins will fill that seat.

Dropping Branes might mean that a change will be made in midfield too, someone to replace the defensive side of Barnes game and someone to finish off the chances he missed up front.
If Barnes does not start then we have to say that it was his poor finishing that let him down as I doubt too many would knock his work rate up and down the park. Dobbie might be the better finisher of the two but does he have the same work rate. Hoskins could be a wild card choice to replace Barnes I am just not sure that Gus will gamble. David seems to be the likely replacement but have we seen enough of him to say he will and can do both jobs. If Barnes does not start I doubt he will even make the bench as I think Hoskins will fill that seat. Dropping Branes might mean that a change will be made in midfield too, someone to replace the defensive side of Barnes game and someone to finish off the chances he missed up front. VegasSeagull

2:05pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Gibseagull says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances. The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc). Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This post needs to be reported for being far too sensible!
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances. The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc). Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]This post needs to be reported for being far too sensible! Gibseagull

2:11pm Tue 27 Nov 12

DorsetSeagull says...

For me it's purely a confidence issue with Barnes, once it dips it does so on spectacular fashion. May have started when him and TK had that on-field bust up a few weeks back, when his confidence is flying he's it's a very different player we see, but agree he shouldn't start tonight. Dunk has done a sound job since coming in, probably need El-She's muscle on Sat though.
For me it's purely a confidence issue with Barnes, once it dips it does so on spectacular fashion. May have started when him and TK had that on-field bust up a few weeks back, when his confidence is flying he's it's a very different player we see, but agree he shouldn't start tonight. Dunk has done a sound job since coming in, probably need El-She's muscle on Sat though. DorsetSeagull

2:15pm Tue 27 Nov 12

BobbyLaverick says...

roast wrote:
wole wrote:
I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes!
This is no laughing matter young man.....
Why would you comment on your own post?
Joking is right!
[quote][p][bold]roast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wole[/bold] wrote: I was joking! I meant anybody but Barnes![/p][/quote]This is no laughing matter young man.....[/p][/quote]Why would you comment on your own post? Joking is right! BobbyLaverick

2:43pm Tue 27 Nov 12

pablobrowno says...

mark5 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Nathan L wrote:
anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.
Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.
Agreed, Barnes has been pilloried again because of the penalty miss, which was unfortunate, but many more players will take them and miss too! For me, Barnes has been instructed to play in a role than is technically "out of position" for him. Ultimately he is a goal poacher and should be playing the forward role, which is where he is strong. Poyet is obviously happy that Barnes is doing what he wants him to do and is learning to adapt the hard way in a tough league. To my untrained eye, he offers valuable defensive cover, with track backs etc and Gus clearly sees more also that we do not. If Barnes was playing the role he is best at, he would be scoring goals and we would all be happy. He is not, so I think we must accept he is doing a good job and that is why he is permanently in the side. Blame the master, not his slave!
Haha Barnes didn't do too well 'poaching' the penalty rebound on Saturday?! However he does a lot of good too. That said we cannot afford misses like that it will be the difference between promotion or not.

On another note I absolutely love this very deep, insightful and almost poetic quote from Dean Hammond printed on the club website today, commenting on the strength of the division:

“It’s so strong it maybe just needs a team to keep consistently winning to become the top side."

You think so Dean? ;-).
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nathan L[/bold] wrote: anyone can replace barnes? this cynicism sounds all so familiar... lets wait till he repeats the form he showed against barnsley and it will all change again with people playing the blame game with who criticised him. I really like barnes and extremely happy to have him in our side, he isn't the only one who has missed penalties and he is developing well as a player.[/p][/quote]Exactly, Barnes had a poor game Saturday, no doubt caused by the pen miss, what we don't know is how many others wanted to take them? Cms showed lack of bottle after missing one against Leeds, Barnes at least had the balls to step up, terrible miss granted, but he stood up to be counted.[/p][/quote]Agreed, Barnes has been pilloried again because of the penalty miss, which was unfortunate, but many more players will take them and miss too! For me, Barnes has been instructed to play in a role than is technically "out of position" for him. Ultimately he is a goal poacher and should be playing the forward role, which is where he is strong. Poyet is obviously happy that Barnes is doing what he wants him to do and is learning to adapt the hard way in a tough league. To my untrained eye, he offers valuable defensive cover, with track backs etc and Gus clearly sees more also that we do not. If Barnes was playing the role he is best at, he would be scoring goals and we would all be happy. He is not, so I think we must accept he is doing a good job and that is why he is permanently in the side. Blame the master, not his slave![/p][/quote]Haha Barnes didn't do too well 'poaching' the penalty rebound on Saturday?! However he does a lot of good too. That said we cannot afford misses like that it will be the difference between promotion or not. On another note I absolutely love this very deep, insightful and almost poetic quote from Dean Hammond printed on the club website today, commenting on the strength of the division: “It’s so strong it maybe just needs a team to keep consistently winning to become the top side." You think so Dean? ;-). pablobrowno

3:00pm Tue 27 Nov 12

50 years a fan says...

This talk Greer is rediculous. He has been inspirational and should be.second on team.sheet after Bridcutt. Maybe Barnes needs a rest. Bring back jfc. Talk of Bridcutt I have a horrible feeling he could used in a deal for a front man
during the window.
This talk Greer is rediculous. He has been inspirational and should be.second on team.sheet after Bridcutt. Maybe Barnes needs a rest. Bring back jfc. Talk of Bridcutt I have a horrible feeling he could used in a deal for a front man during the window. 50 years a fan

3:05pm Tue 27 Nov 12

B rian Tawses left foot says...

tug509 says...
11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12


campotolox wrote:
TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!!
Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not

I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?
tug509 says... 11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12 campotolox wrote: TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!! Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ? B rian Tawses left foot

3:22pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Dingbat99 says...

StevieD wrote:
Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.
The problem is that Bruno was isolated with nobody covering him. This has happened several times near the end of a match. It needs to be tightened up so that we don't concede last minute goals.
[quote][p][bold]StevieD[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.[/p][/quote]The problem is that Bruno was isolated with nobody covering him. This has happened several times near the end of a match. It needs to be tightened up so that we don't concede last minute goals. Dingbat99

3:26pm Tue 27 Nov 12

WisdomSpeaks says...

Harry Redknapp made a great comment today when he was discussing what he needs to get success. He said "I've no time for people losing the ball and throwing their arms up in the air, and standing around with their hands on their hips."

I am not anti Barnes for missing penalties or even chances and certainly not personal as I don't know the young man at a personal level. However I do notice that he does exactly what Harry is describing more often than not when he is dispossessed or fouled.

I also acknowledge that he has only ever played non league, Div 1, Div 2 and now Championship with us.

If, as Gus keeps telling us, we aren't good enough for the Premiership because we need players who have played in Premiership in forward positions to compliment the ones with that experience we have at the back - I can't understand why Dobbie and Lopez don't feature for lengthy spells as they have exactly what Gus says he needs and he must rate them as he brought them in.

What could be the reason? Whatever Barnes does I don't see him as Premiership quality.

I hope Dobbie and Hoskins and Lopez get a look in tonight and we see a few Albion goals early on.
Harry Redknapp made a great comment today when he was discussing what he needs to get success. He said "I've no time for people losing the ball and throwing their arms up in the air, and standing around with their hands on their hips." I am not anti Barnes for missing penalties or even chances and certainly not personal as I don't know the young man at a personal level. However I do notice that he does exactly what Harry is describing more often than not when he is dispossessed or fouled. I also acknowledge that he has only ever played non league, Div 1, Div 2 and now Championship with us. If, as Gus keeps telling us, we aren't good enough for the Premiership because we need players who have played in Premiership in forward positions to compliment the ones with that experience we have at the back - I can't understand why Dobbie and Lopez don't feature for lengthy spells as they have exactly what Gus says he needs and he must rate them as he brought them in. What could be the reason? Whatever Barnes does I don't see him as Premiership quality. I hope Dobbie and Hoskins and Lopez get a look in tonight and we see a few Albion goals early on. WisdomSpeaks

3:40pm Tue 27 Nov 12

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12


campotolox wrote:
TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!!
Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not

I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?
Jack mutton and Harman .. Good teachers in the Paul Clarke no nonsense.. Funny how the ones we were scared of are the ones to remember! Mr fox the music teacher, he would be a mate of jimmy saville s! Had boys over his knee with a slipper at every chance he could.. I do hope the sweat he produced was due to exertion!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: tug509 says... 11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12 campotolox wrote: TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!! Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?[/p][/quote]Jack mutton and Harman .. Good teachers in the Paul Clarke no nonsense.. Funny how the ones we were scared of are the ones to remember! Mr fox the music teacher, he would be a mate of jimmy saville s! Had boys over his knee with a slipper at every chance he could.. I do hope the sweat he produced was due to exertion! mark by the sea

3:52pm Tue 27 Nov 12

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12


campotolox wrote:
TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!!
Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not

I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?
Jack mutton and Harman .. Good teachers in the Paul Clarke no nonsense.. Funny how the ones we were scared of are the ones to remember! Mr fox the music teacher, he would be a mate of jimmy saville s! Had boys over his knee with a slipper at every chance he could.. I do hope the sweat he produced was due to exertion!
http://www.mybrighto
nandhove.org.uk/page
_id__8801_path__0p11
5p206p1659p.aspx
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: tug509 says... 11:55pm Mon 26 Nov 12 campotolox wrote: TUG AS MEAT LOAF SAID I OUT OF 3 IS NOT BAD,PS SORRY ABOUT THESPELLING WENT TO THE KNOLL,NO MORE SIAD!! Dont mess with me on this,did you go to the Knoll or not I went to the Knoll - remember Jake Turner and Jack Mutton ?[/p][/quote]Jack mutton and Harman .. Good teachers in the Paul Clarke no nonsense.. Funny how the ones we were scared of are the ones to remember! Mr fox the music teacher, he would be a mate of jimmy saville s! Had boys over his knee with a slipper at every chance he could.. I do hope the sweat he produced was due to exertion![/p][/quote]http://www.mybrighto nandhove.org.uk/page _id__8801_path__0p11 5p206p1659p.aspx brightonup

4:28pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

StevieD wrote:
Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.
It's not a case of falling asleep, it's more a case of the opposition throwing absolutely everything at an equaliser. Sometimes they score, sometimes nothing changes, and sometimes (as should have happened on Sat) we score. Goals have ALWAYS been scored at the death. They always will.
[quote][p][bold]StevieD[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some defenders who don't knock off after 89 minutes might be useful. Pointless dominating a game then going to sleep in extra time. Happening too often so there is something not right in there.[/p][/quote]It's not a case of falling asleep, it's more a case of the opposition throwing absolutely everything at an equaliser. Sometimes they score, sometimes nothing changes, and sometimes (as should have happened on Sat) we score. Goals have ALWAYS been scored at the death. They always will. Old Scrote of the Amex

5:36pm Tue 27 Nov 12

ballantrrae says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances.
The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc).
Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good post although I think Barnes might benefit from having a break and I would like to see Hoskins given a start.
I still would like to see CMS and Hosko on the pitch at the same time and it might be interesting to see if we played 4-4-2 at Home how many goals we score.
I too noted Bristol's away win on Sarurday.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Without access to the full interview, it actually reads that Dunky has has had nothing to do and hasn't been properly tested this season and Adam has proved that he's the man. Anyway, if it's the trenches, El Abd every time. The difficulty is of course that young players will look elsewhere if they are not playing regularly. As for Gordon, he's been immense. No he's not premiership standard but he is a leader and looked as if he was about to top himself at the final whistle on Saturday, which shows something of the man, if not the boy... ( and yes Dunk may look elsewhere etc etc). Whilst the fingers are pointing at Greer and Bruno for the goal which marked a savage end to a footballing (but not finishing) master class. May I take this opportunity to remind you that the whole team sat back and invited pressure (not for the first time). The midfield which had performed like some Hispanic football automaton for much of the 90 minutes (with Orlandi particulalrly of note) and the forwards who promised so much but delivered little, did not provide any outlet and the team (tempted to put team in capitals but resisted) is culpable for the individual failings of otherwise impeccable performances. The Barnes thing drags on. Yes lets give someone else a go. It will probably be Spanish Dave. No, Barnes isn't as bad as some of the more blinkered are making out and has played well on several occasions this season. And FFS please look at the formation and positions of some of the suggested replacements ( I know the El Abd thing was a joke) but the constant call for Hoskins and Dobbie in that position would mean a 4-4-2 or similar and we have not played that since Mickey Mouse… Sorry Adams (yeah I know, great manager first time round, never go back etc). Anyway… Bristol had a good win away to Boro on Saturday, who I thought were perhaps worthy of a draw down here. So with a bit of luck they'll give it a go and leave us some rich pickings that we'll ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BLOOMING NET THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Good post although I think Barnes might benefit from having a break and I would like to see Hoskins given a start. I still would like to see CMS and Hosko on the pitch at the same time and it might be interesting to see if we played 4-4-2 at Home how many goals we score. I too noted Bristol's away win on Sarurday. ballantrrae

11:40pm Tue 27 Nov 12

golddene says...

LACHANCE wrote:
PittaPatta wrote:
There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them.
Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in.
Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.
l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.
So its Gordon Greers turn to be singled out for your undermining posts is it !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PittaPatta[/bold] wrote: There are a number of players who could replace Barnes, but El-Abd is so needed in the back four, he is definitely not one of them. Perhaps controversially, I would actually replace GG with Dunky, because I believe the younger player to be the way forward, and the way forward from here on in. Whatever the choices for tonight, three points is a must. And PLEASE, can we see out the match at the end, instead of providing the opposition with the hope of getting something from a game that would be totally against the run of play.[/p][/quote]l agree Dunk should replace Greer not only is he younger and more solid we need to keep him at the club.Giving games away in extra time,just look at the vidio's and you will see that a lot of the time Greer is at fault.There are other players who could captain the side far better so replacing Greer is not a problem.The problem is Greer like Barns is one of Guses pet players and Gus will keep playing them.[/p][/quote]So its Gordon Greers turn to be singled out for your undermining posts is it !!!!!!!! golddene

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