Ulloa's future still in the melting pot (From The Argus)
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Ulloa's future still in the melting pot
10:01am Tuesday 8th January 2013 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Leonardo Ulloa. Will it be thumbs up or down for Albion?
The future of Albion transfer target Leonardo Ulloa is still up in the air.
The Argentinian striker is being linked with La Liga strugglers Granada.
Alberto Benito, sports manager of Ulloa's Spanish Second Division club Almeria, told The Argus: "Many clubs are interested in him but at the moment we don't have an agreement with any club."
Albion's interest in Ulloa depends on the 26-year-old securing a Spanish passport.
Venito said: "We are in the same situation. He still hasn't got a Spanish passport."
Comments(42)
Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:09am Tue 8 Jan 13
PS: Argus, please consider implementing a 'real name' commenting system to this site.
Jonathan Mouette
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10:36am Tue 8 Jan 13
Seagull83
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10:47am Tue 8 Jan 13
So are we going to chase him until the end only to end up with nobody again, or maybe we'll sign another midget in desperation on boxing day when everyone can see that that's not the type of player we need...
Deja vu...every transfer windows the same with Poyet.
PittaPatta
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10:47am Tue 8 Jan 13
I really hope I'm wrong this time, but this does appear to be the same old same old.
As for 'real name' commenting on this site. There really are'nt that many regular contributors in the first place, so the implementation of their real id's would more than likely mean no contributors at all.
All sites have to contend with a number of WUMs, it simply comes with the territory. So I cannot see anything to be gained by creating security risks that the majority would not be comfortable with.
ballantrrae
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10:54am Tue 8 Jan 13
I would suggest the time to move on and pursue those other options has arrived. Playing brinksmanship might not help us get to the play-offs.
Thoughts anyone ?
weststandupperlacostearmy
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10:57am Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:06am Tue 8 Jan 13
PittaPatta wrote:I'm sure Ulloa is not the only striker on the radar. It's also possible he is a smokescreen to divert attention from the real, 'surprise' target.
It sounds like the old familiar story to me. The window draws to a close and still a passport is not forthcoming, or he signs for another club. The search for 'that striker' becomes more complicated, as we head into the final half of the season.
I really hope I'm wrong this time, but this does appear to be the same old same old.
As for 'real name' commenting on this site. There really are'nt that many regular contributors in the first place, so the implementation of their real id's would more than likely mean no contributors at all.
All sites have to contend with a number of WUMs, it simply comes with the territory. So I cannot see anything to be gained by creating security risks that the majority would not be comfortable with.
You're right, and there seems to be one or two contributors using many different usernames, which doesn't leave many genuine posters, but I'm not sure what the security risks are. People have real names, they are not secret in real life and many, many sites insist on them for purely a troll-bashing reason. Those that have them have a noticeably higher signal to noise ratio.
Smartbloke
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11:06am Tue 8 Jan 13
As for real name commenting, does the Argus Comment Section (hardly a bastion of intellectual free-thinking) actually want to reveal the real names of so many curtain-twitching, terrified, child-hating, Mein-Kampf-loving Dignitas cases who hate theirs and everyone's lives...?
mickygullhove
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11:09am Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:10am Tue 8 Jan 13
Smartbloke wrote:Would you be calling others 'utter imbeciles' with the cloak of a nom de plume?
So many people moaning about 'deja-vu' and 'same old Gus' - utter imbeciles.
As for real name commenting, does the Argus Comment Section (hardly a bastion of intellectual free-thinking) actually want to reveal the real names of so many curtain-twitching, terrified, child-hating, Mein-Kampf-loving Dignitas cases who hate theirs and everyone's lives...?
Gus will do what Gus does - he will work hard within financial constraints to get whatever is best for the club. If we get Ulloa, then great. If we don't then we'll get someone else.
mikeygit
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11:22am Tue 8 Jan 13
Gee Jay
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11:29am Tue 8 Jan 13
The club have a budget, and a wages structure, which it appears, they are sticking to.
I would rather have another year or two in the Championship, than get promoted before we are ready, and drop straight back again with debts and contracts for overpaid players.
Gus and Tony Bloom are on the right track, just think back a few years!
championshipgull
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11:52am Tue 8 Jan 13
MelsTels
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12:08pm Tue 8 Jan 13
If he is playing in Spain, why doesn't he come under the EU rules of working - and be able to play in the UK? Is it a working visa for Spain?
Confused - can somebody explain to me?
ballantrrae
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12:16pm Tue 8 Jan 13
MelsTels wrote:MelsTels my understanding is that the Spanish Authoriities (since that is where he resides currently) have to issue him with an EU passport.
Why does he need a Spanish passport?
If he is playing in Spain, why doesn't he come under the EU rules of working - and be able to play in the UK? Is it a working visa for Spain?
Confused - can somebody explain to me?
One cannot be given an EU passport until you have 5 years residency behind you.
Apparently he hadn't been in the EU 5 years when BHA were interested in him in August. I assume that he has now passed the 5 year mark otherwise we are completely wasting our time until he has.
I hope that helps.
Freeloaders
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12:39pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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12:42pm Tue 8 Jan 13
If he has reached the required number of years to obtain a passport I would guess the process would take about 3 to 4 weeks. I don't have a problem with waiting to get what we want but, I would like to hear a verbal commitment from the player as to his intentions. If he came out and stated, yes, I am joining Brighton just as soon as the passport is sorted, that would do for me.
I am sure that Gus has a plan B.
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Freeloaders
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12:56pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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1:03pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Ok Freeloader do you think it's possible, likely, that Ulloa's agent is dragging his heels on this passport issue, maybe holding out for a bigger and better deal for his player?
Freeloaders
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1:19pm Tue 8 Jan 13
sussexram40
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1:23pm Tue 8 Jan 13
But I repeat - all the while we are waiting on a passport, the other options are being snapped up.
Even if he gets a passport, there's no guarantee he will sign for the Albion.
Come on Gus, the Derby and Birmingham games are coming up and we still haven't strengthened our strikeforce.
My fear is that the Newcastle win will have lulled GP into a false sense of secrity and he'll start thinking we don't need signings after all.
Over to you Gus ..
VegasSeagull
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1:40pm Tue 8 Jan 13
sussexram40 wrote:Lulled into a false sense of security, nope I don't see that happening.
I advised Gus to look elsewhere when this story broke over a week ago. But I repeat - all the while we are waiting on a passport, the other options are being snapped up. Even if he gets a passport, there's no guarantee he will sign for the Albion. Come on Gus, the Derby and Birmingham games are coming up and we still haven't strengthened our strikeforce. My fear is that the Newcastle win will have lulled GP into a false sense of secrity and he'll start thinking we don't need signings after all. Over to you Gus ..
Everyone and his dog knows that we must sharpen up our front line options, and that has been known for some time now.
It would be great if our team started to find their winning ways again and even after we sign our new players, those players are not urgently needed on the park.
I don't think Gus would allow himself to walk the transfer tight rope, he knows that we have a great chance of reaching the playoffs.
seagullsovergrimsby
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2:24pm Tue 8 Jan 13
ballantrrae wrote:Only 2 years residency are needed for South American nationals living/working in Spain. If he becomes a EU passport holder what happens if he wants to return to Argentina after his football career is over ?
MelsTels wrote:MelsTels my understanding is that the Spanish Authoriities (since that is where he resides currently) have to issue him with an EU passport.
Why does he need a Spanish passport?
If he is playing in Spain, why doesn't he come under the EU rules of working - and be able to play in the UK? Is it a working visa for Spain?
Confused - can somebody explain to me?
One cannot be given an EU passport until you have 5 years residency behind you.
Apparently he hadn't been in the EU 5 years when BHA were interested in him in August. I assume that he has now passed the 5 year mark otherwise we are completely wasting our time until he has.
I hope that helps.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:39pm Tue 8 Jan 13
seagullsovergrimsby wrote:I'm sure I read he was seeking dual-nationality, so problem solved.
ballantrrae wrote:Only 2 years residency are needed for South American nationals living/working in Spain. If he becomes a EU passport holder what happens if he wants to return to Argentina after his football career is over ?
MelsTels wrote:MelsTels my understanding is that the Spanish Authoriities (since that is where he resides currently) have to issue him with an EU passport.
Why does he need a Spanish passport?
If he is playing in Spain, why doesn't he come under the EU rules of working - and be able to play in the UK? Is it a working visa for Spain?
Confused - can somebody explain to me?
One cannot be given an EU passport until you have 5 years residency behind you.
Apparently he hadn't been in the EU 5 years when BHA were interested in him in August. I assume that he has now passed the 5 year mark otherwise we are completely wasting our time until he has.
I hope that helps.
Falmer Wizard
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5:17pm Tue 8 Jan 13
saraman
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5:18pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:That's a bit harsh Freeloader. I and others may not be as football savvy as some like yourself but our undying love for The Albion is unquestionable. Just because we don't promenade ourselves at every opportunity does not make us any less loyal.
Glad to have you back Vagas.If everyone thought the same it would be a boring world my friend.You can post 24/7 if you like my friend,if that makes you happy.I hope you read my post about the numbers being down on all news storys in the Argus.Even after a murder trial there was just 17 posts last week.That would have been between 300 or 350 a few years ago my friend.I for one am glad your back.Its only you & MBTS that really have a football brain,& show a real love for the club.
saraman
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5:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:That's a bit harsh Freeloader. I and others may not be as football savvy as some like yourself but our undying love for The Albion is unquestionable. Just because we don't promenade ourselves at every opportunity does not make us any less loyal.
Glad to have you back Vagas.If everyone thought the same it would be a boring world my friend.You can post 24/7 if you like my friend,if that makes you happy.I hope you read my post about the numbers being down on all news storys in the Argus.Even after a murder trial there was just 17 posts last week.That would have been between 300 or 350 a few years ago my friend.I for one am glad your back.Its only you & MBTS that really have a football brain,& show a real love for the club.
pandaking
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5:26pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Just sit tight and be patient people.
Look at our previous signings and look at the quality brought in.
Bridge - pure class.
Bruno - fantastic
Orlandi & David (both now coming into their own)
Vicente (you all hate him now but think back to how good he was. The guy is injured!)
The list goes on. Fantastic signings which are all pure class to watch. And everyone moans about the new signings not working at first, then when things go well they love the players. Never seen so many two faced fans.
Yes not every signing has come good, but I think Gus has a pretty good track record. Keep the faith and stop bloody moaning you bunch of girls.
reagull
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6:38pm Tue 8 Jan 13
weststandupperlacostearmy
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6:49pm Tue 8 Jan 13
reagull wrote:should be playing by March then!!!
pictures of Vicente in full training today on North Stand Chat!
Time to offload him Im afraid, use his wages on another. Dyer is available...no second thoughts, he spends more time in the treatment room than El Sicknote.
VegasSeagull
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6:50pm Tue 8 Jan 13
reagull wrote:Possible cameo appearance saturday?
pictures of Vicente in full training today on North Stand Chat!
Last 10 minutes?
reagull
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7:25pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:lets hope so, there was talk of him priopr to the Watford game which was on my birthday which I invited loads of mates to, "come to the amex, its great" etc etc- lost 1-3
reagull wrote: pictures of Vicente in full training today on North Stand Chat!Possible cameo appearance saturday? Last 10 minutes?
! a distant memory now thankfully.
VegasSeagull
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7:32pm Tue 8 Jan 13
If the only thing, as fans, that we are interested in is getting promoted then Vicente can aide that cause. When the player is fully fit who do we have in the squad that can do what he does, who can bring what he can bring.
I have slated this player big time, I truly though that he was swinging the lead, I have come to realise that I was wrong.
If he was, 'at it,' then the whole management team and the medical team would all have to be in on the deal, I can't think thta to be true.
tonytowner1
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7:51pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Anyone heard or seen anything?
reagull
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7:54pm Tue 8 Jan 13
reagull
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7:56pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Claude Back
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7:59pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:Clearly your judgement, like your spelling, is flawed to make such an irrational statement.
Glad to have you back Vagas.If everyone thought the same it would be a boring world my friend.You can post 24/7 if you like my friend,if that makes you happy.I hope you read my post about the numbers being down on all news storys in the Argus.Even after a murder trial there was just 17 posts last week.That would have been between 300 or 350 a few years ago my friend.I for one am glad your back.Its only you & MBTS that really have a football brain,& show a real love for the club.
At least try to spell your friend's name correctly.
namgo49
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8:02pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Keep on saying, stick with Hoskins he will do the business.
VegasSeagull
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9:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13
namgo49 wrote:It might well be possible to get a waiver to cover the remaining few months he has to wait, especially if he owns a property there, a property that he would be paying taxes on.
Just returning to the story rather than the Vicente tangent, the guy signed for Castillon in Summer 2008 which means, on the basis of what has been said before, he doesn't qualify for a passport until Summer 2013, So he ain't gonna come here until at least then, but then why would we want him. Keep on saying, stick with Hoskins he will do the business.
I don't know, maybe someone else does, but could he apply for a temporary work visa valid in the UK, a visa to cover him for the four months he needs untill his passport application goes thru.
mark by the sea
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10:35pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Hmmm to be honest the agent would say there are a hundred clubs after him, truth is he won't earn half the cash he would in England, as for Vicente " I seriously can't wait for his hibernation to end,
As Ulloa's agent said, there is a lot of interest in the player, it could be that heels are being dragged for a reason.
If he has reached the required number of years to obtain a passport I would guess the process would take about 3 to 4 weeks. I don't have a problem with waiting to get what we want but, I would like to hear a verbal commitment from the player as to his intentions. If he came out and stated, yes, I am joining Brighton just as soon as the passport is sorted, that would do for me.
I am sure that Gus has a plan B.
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VegasSeagull
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11:00pm Tue 8 Jan 13
sloughseagull says...
10:06am Tue 8 Jan 13