More Albion signings could be on the way

The Argus: Gus Poyet could do more business in January Gus Poyet could do more business in January

ALBION boss Gus Poyet is planning more January business to supplement the looming capture of Leonardo Ulloa.

He wants to make at least one further addition before the transfer window closes at the end of the month following Saturday's 2-1 home win against Derby County.

Ulloa, right, was at The Amex to agree personal terms, complete a medical and watch the game before flying back to Spain yesterday.

Almeria’s 26-year-old Argentinian target man is expected to receive the EU passport he requires to be eligible to play in England today or tomorrow, ready for a deal believed to be in the region of £2 million to be wrapped up on Wednesday.

Poyet revealed to The Argus: “We are trying to do other things. There are always options in different positions that I prefer not to say.

“He (Ulloa) is a player we have been looking for for a year-and-a-half really. The only problem was that he wasn’t available because of the European passport situation, so he was never an option.

“He was a player we liked a lot but couldn’t get. As soon as we knew that option was a possibility then we started to move as quick as possible. Let’s hope that by Tuesday or Wednesday we can close everything.

“He is my size, six-foot three nearly. He is very good in the air, a player who can hold the ball. He is going to be a real threat in the box when we are at home and attacking.

“We haven’t had that presence up front. The players we have got are very good technically and can give you plenty in terms of linking or going in the space like Macca (Craig Mackail-Smith), but we haven’t had that target man.”

Ulloa, if everything goes according to plan, could be involved in the squad at Birmingham on Saturday, probably as a substitute.

Poyet said: “We are not going to hurry. If he trains four or five days with us he will have a chance to play, if he trains only once or twice then he will start from the bench, but the idea really is to help him to start learning quick.

“I have given him so much information already but he needed to watch the game by himself.”

Mackail-Smith, ruled out of the Derby match by hamstring tightness, should be fit to face Birmingham.

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9:14am Mon 14 Jan 13

saraman says...

So much for the £8m loss. Surely there must be a few players leaving the club. Looks like Gus and TB are really going for it. Keep the momentum going and it will be a full house at home from now on in. Exciting time ahead, what?
So much for the £8m loss. Surely there must be a few players leaving the club. Looks like Gus and TB are really going for it. Keep the momentum going and it will be a full house at home from now on in. Exciting time ahead, what? saraman

9:15am Mon 14 Jan 13

MHubbs says...

My only concern on signings, is that there is no point brining anyone in who cannot play at Prem level if we went up (though I believe this is most unlikely this year).
My question would then move onto the obvious aspect of whether any such signing would be cost prohibitive, meaning we settle for a lesser player that will then be lacking if we did get promoted.
We appear to need cover at left back, if bridge goes and possibly centre back also. However the focus seems constantly upon strikers due to our goal scoring problems.
I hope that any further signings have a more mid-long term view to where we might be in six months.
My only concern on signings, is that there is no point brining anyone in who cannot play at Prem level if we went up (though I believe this is most unlikely this year). My question would then move onto the obvious aspect of whether any such signing would be cost prohibitive, meaning we settle for a lesser player that will then be lacking if we did get promoted. We appear to need cover at left back, if bridge goes and possibly centre back also. However the focus seems constantly upon strikers due to our goal scoring problems. I hope that any further signings have a more mid-long term view to where we might be in six months. MHubbs

9:25am Mon 14 Jan 13

brightonup says...

If we are 'going for it' then we need the players to take us up!
I am sure the side will need strengthening if we are promoted, and I am sure Gus will be busy doing just that next Summer.......
If we are 'going for it' then we need the players to take us up! I am sure the side will need strengthening if we are promoted, and I am sure Gus will be busy doing just that next Summer....... brightonup

9:31am Mon 14 Jan 13

pablobrowno says...

brightonup wrote:
If we are 'going for it' then we need the players to take us up!
I am sure the side will need strengthening if we are promoted, and I am sure Gus will be busy doing just that next Summer.......
Indeed brightonup. Like Saints last year we need players to get us promoted but the likelyhood is a few of them won't make the step up and will end up back in the champ helping someone else get promotion!

As for us "really going for it" I wouldn't say we are. I would describe Cardiff and Leicester as doing that as they must be spending a pretty penny signing up the most desirsble players I.e. Wood.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: If we are 'going for it' then we need the players to take us up! I am sure the side will need strengthening if we are promoted, and I am sure Gus will be busy doing just that next Summer.......[/p][/quote]Indeed brightonup. Like Saints last year we need players to get us promoted but the likelyhood is a few of them won't make the step up and will end up back in the champ helping someone else get promotion! As for us "really going for it" I wouldn't say we are. I would describe Cardiff and Leicester as doing that as they must be spending a pretty penny signing up the most desirsble players I.e. Wood. pablobrowno

9:35am Mon 14 Jan 13

Alfie T says...

Not going to speculate on who might also join the mighty Albion, but have to say am very excited with Ulloa joining us. Gus may have unearthed a real gem here, really looking forward to seeing him in the Blue and White stripes.
Not going to speculate on who might also join the mighty Albion, but have to say am very excited with Ulloa joining us. Gus may have unearthed a real gem here, really looking forward to seeing him in the Blue and White stripes. Alfie T

9:41am Mon 14 Jan 13

brightonup says...

I think it's clear that Cardiff and Leicester have more spending power than us at present - and judging by results, they have spent wisely. It's also true (as we are constantly being reminded by the trolls) that we have missed a trick or two in the transfer market - both in terms of players going out and coming in.
However, I do believe the team is stronger than last year and we may just slip into the playoffs. Whether we do or not, it's all good, and I for one am enjoying the season!
I think it's clear that Cardiff and Leicester have more spending power than us at present - and judging by results, they have spent wisely. It's also true (as we are constantly being reminded by the trolls) that we have missed a trick or two in the transfer market - both in terms of players going out and coming in. However, I do believe the team is stronger than last year and we may just slip into the playoffs. Whether we do or not, it's all good, and I for one am enjoying the season! brightonup

9:44am Mon 14 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Alfie T wrote:
Not going to speculate on who might also join the mighty Albion, but have to say am very excited with Ulloa joining us. Gus may have unearthed a real gem here, really looking forward to seeing him in the Blue and White stripes.
Me to Alfie. Very exciting prospect to help complement the forwards we already have.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Not going to speculate on who might also join the mighty Albion, but have to say am very excited with Ulloa joining us. Gus may have unearthed a real gem here, really looking forward to seeing him in the Blue and White stripes.[/p][/quote]Me to Alfie. Very exciting prospect to help complement the forwards we already have. dave from bexill

9:47am Mon 14 Jan 13

brightonup says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Alfie T wrote: Not going to speculate on who might also join the mighty Albion, but have to say am very excited with Ulloa joining us. Gus may have unearthed a real gem here, really looking forward to seeing him in the Blue and White stripes.
Me to Alfie. Very exciting prospect to help complement the forwards we already have.
Absolutely agree!
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Not going to speculate on who might also join the mighty Albion, but have to say am very excited with Ulloa joining us. Gus may have unearthed a real gem here, really looking forward to seeing him in the Blue and White stripes.[/p][/quote]Me to Alfie. Very exciting prospect to help complement the forwards we already have.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree! brightonup

10:06am Mon 14 Jan 13

Zamora Ace says...

It really is quite an exciting journey we are all on, when you think it was only 3-4 years ago when the value of our whole team was pretty much £2m!!! never mind 1 player:) Also one other interesting stat as of last night we were 17th highest average attendence in the whole of the UK. Not only does this show how far we have come, but also whereas we used to be an undesirable for players coming to play on a running track, now we are in the big league as far as playing in front of a big crowd goes. With the development of the training facilities etc the future is bright the future is Albion:) Cheers
It really is quite an exciting journey we are all on, when you think it was only 3-4 years ago when the value of our whole team was pretty much £2m!!! never mind 1 player:) Also one other interesting stat as of last night we were 17th highest average attendence in the whole of the UK. Not only does this show how far we have come, but also whereas we used to be an undesirable for players coming to play on a running track, now we are in the big league as far as playing in front of a big crowd goes. With the development of the training facilities etc the future is bright the future is Albion:) Cheers Zamora Ace

10:07am Mon 14 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

This is great news as long as it isn't bringing in players to replace any we are about to lose! I'm thinking, mainly, about Bridcutt. Without Bridcutt constantly winning back possession, whoever plays in attack will struggle to see enough of the ball to score any goals. He would be extremely difficult to replace so adding more players is good but we must keep our most important player if we want to make the play-offs.
This is great news as long as it isn't bringing in players to replace any we are about to lose! I'm thinking, mainly, about Bridcutt. Without Bridcutt constantly winning back possession, whoever plays in attack will struggle to see enough of the ball to score any goals. He would be extremely difficult to replace so adding more players is good but we must keep our most important player if we want to make the play-offs. WestStander17

10:16am Mon 14 Jan 13

Zamora Ace says...

WestStander17 wrote:
This is great news as long as it isn't bringing in players to replace any we are about to lose! I'm thinking, mainly, about Bridcutt. Without Bridcutt constantly winning back possession, whoever plays in attack will struggle to see enough of the ball to score any goals. He would be extremely difficult to replace so adding more players is good but we must keep our most important player if we want to make the play-offs.
I agree Bridcutt is absolutely vital to us getting into the playoffs, he has been immense all season and on Saturday his tackling and reading of the game was a class above anyone else as you say. If we do get an offer I hope it would be like the supposed deal for Zaha with Manchester Utd that we could have a loan back for the rest of the season. I do think it is inevitable sadly we will at least get offers. Fingers crossed we do keep him!:)
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This is great news as long as it isn't bringing in players to replace any we are about to lose! I'm thinking, mainly, about Bridcutt. Without Bridcutt constantly winning back possession, whoever plays in attack will struggle to see enough of the ball to score any goals. He would be extremely difficult to replace so adding more players is good but we must keep our most important player if we want to make the play-offs.[/p][/quote]I agree Bridcutt is absolutely vital to us getting into the playoffs, he has been immense all season and on Saturday his tackling and reading of the game was a class above anyone else as you say. If we do get an offer I hope it would be like the supposed deal for Zaha with Manchester Utd that we could have a loan back for the rest of the season. I do think it is inevitable sadly we will at least get offers. Fingers crossed we do keep him!:) Zamora Ace

10:24am Mon 14 Jan 13

mark by the sea says...

Gus I would have thought is looking at a centre half, maybe the guy at Qpr we were trying to sign before he joined them, saun Derry? I think.. Or clint hill?
Club are now on the radar with good players happy to sign here, exciting days ahead, hard game sat, but three points would step things up nicely .
Gus I would have thought is looking at a centre half, maybe the guy at Qpr we were trying to sign before he joined them, saun Derry? I think.. Or clint hill? Club are now on the radar with good players happy to sign here, exciting days ahead, hard game sat, but three points would step things up nicely . mark by the sea

10:35am Mon 14 Jan 13

graham w says...

ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls .. graham w

10:50am Mon 14 Jan 13

Bob! says...

Mr Naylor writes:
'Ulloa, right, was at The Amex to agree personal terms, complete a medical and watch the game before flying back to Spain yesterday.'

Did he agree personal terms then?
Mr Naylor writes: 'Ulloa, right, was at The Amex to agree personal terms, complete a medical and watch the game before flying back to Spain yesterday.' Did he agree personal terms then? Bob!

10:50am Mon 14 Jan 13

the taffster says...

its only taken 18 months to find a potential replacement for murray.eureka
its only taken 18 months to find a potential replacement for murray.eureka the taffster

10:53am Mon 14 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

graham w wrote:
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better.
The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.
[quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..[/p][/quote]Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better. The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust. dave from bexill

11:04am Mon 14 Jan 13

mark by the sea says...

dave from bexill wrote:
graham w wrote:
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better.
The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.
No if we get chance to go up .. Take it, don't think any side is ready, some do really well, others sink .. Some like Wigan are always on the brink of dropping, lets get not the top two, no reason why we can't.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..[/p][/quote]Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better. The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.[/p][/quote]No if we get chance to go up .. Take it, don't think any side is ready, some do really well, others sink .. Some like Wigan are always on the brink of dropping, lets get not the top two, no reason why we can't. mark by the sea

11:06am Mon 14 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

dave from bexill wrote:
graham w wrote:
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better.
The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.
Quite. West Brom weren't ready when they first went up and so they came back down again pretty soon but spent their parachute payments wisely. Then they did it again. Finally they had a team good enough to stay there without mortgaging their very existence. What's good enough for one Albion is good enough for the other.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..[/p][/quote]Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better. The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.[/p][/quote]Quite. West Brom weren't ready when they first went up and so they came back down again pretty soon but spent their parachute payments wisely. Then they did it again. Finally they had a team good enough to stay there without mortgaging their very existence. What's good enough for one Albion is good enough for the other. Old Scrote of the Amex

11:13am Mon 14 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

Going up will be a godsend and has to be aimed for this season. It doesn't matter if we are not strong enough to stay there because even if we were to get relegated, we'd still get a £40 million pound parachute payment for the next three seasons which is far more than we'd ever get playing in The Championship. What a godsend £40 million would be to our finances and imagine the players we could acquire with that kind of money available.
Going up will be a godsend and has to be aimed for this season. It doesn't matter if we are not strong enough to stay there because even if we were to get relegated, we'd still get a £40 million pound parachute payment for the next three seasons which is far more than we'd ever get playing in The Championship. What a godsend £40 million would be to our finances and imagine the players we could acquire with that kind of money available. fratsomrover

11:20am Mon 14 Jan 13

Seagull68 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
graham w wrote:
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better.
The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.
I completely agree dave, the riches on offer in the Premier league because of the new TV deal, is much bigger than any time in the past. I do think we can make it this year, but I believe it will be through the play offs. Gus rates the Argentinian highly and that's good enough for me. He could be the difference. I think we need to sign a central defender for cover if Dunk does go. But we seriously need a reliable back up for Bridders in case of injury or we heaven forbid lose him to another club. I thought Crofts would fill in as a replacement, or indeed Hammond. Neither have the skill or vision to fill Liams shoes imo,
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..[/p][/quote]Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better. The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.[/p][/quote]I completely agree dave, the riches on offer in the Premier league because of the new TV deal, is much bigger than any time in the past. I do think we can make it this year, but I believe it will be through the play offs. Gus rates the Argentinian highly and that's good enough for me. He could be the difference. I think we need to sign a central defender for cover if Dunk does go. But we seriously need a reliable back up for Bridders in case of injury or we heaven forbid lose him to another club. I thought Crofts would fill in as a replacement, or indeed Hammond. Neither have the skill or vision to fill Liams shoes imo, Seagull68

11:22am Mon 14 Jan 13

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
graham w wrote:
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better.
The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.
No if we get chance to go up .. Take it, don't think any side is ready, some do really well, others sink .. Some like Wigan are always on the brink of dropping, lets get not the top two, no reason why we can't.
I agree, the Premiership prize is massive, couple that with our stadium,training academy and general infrastructure, a truly mouthwatering prospect. So what if we struggle at first, there are not many more club fans used to the roller coaster that is our fantastic football club, bring it on.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..[/p][/quote]Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better. The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.[/p][/quote]No if we get chance to go up .. Take it, don't think any side is ready, some do really well, others sink .. Some like Wigan are always on the brink of dropping, lets get not the top two, no reason why we can't.[/p][/quote]I agree, the Premiership prize is massive, couple that with our stadium,training academy and general infrastructure, a truly mouthwatering prospect. So what if we struggle at first, there are not many more club fans used to the roller coaster that is our fantastic football club, bring it on. Alfie T

11:25am Mon 14 Jan 13

mark by the sea says...

Seagull68 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
graham w wrote:
ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..
Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better.
The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.
I completely agree dave, the riches on offer in the Premier league because of the new TV deal, is much bigger than any time in the past. I do think we can make it this year, but I believe it will be through the play offs. Gus rates the Argentinian highly and that's good enough for me. He could be the difference. I think we need to sign a central defender for cover if Dunk does go. But we seriously need a reliable back up for Bridders in case of injury or we heaven forbid lose him to another club. I thought Crofts would fill in as a replacement, or indeed Hammond. Neither have the skill or vision to fill Liams shoes imo,
Agree about bridcutt, but if they were good enough, neither would have left saints or norwich, so we will struggle to replace him.
Lets get right behind the club..
[quote][p][bold]Seagull68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: ts all looking quite good lets hope it all works out , i think like like our budding prof "mark by the sea", this season may be to early. what we want is a really top season next year... but if its there lets take it.. uta ... seagulls ..[/p][/quote]Although I can appreciate this sentiment, in a sense it can never be 'to early'. Not quite making it this year is no guarantee that next year will be better. The time is now.Lets just enjoy and see where we are in May. In Gus and Tony we trust.[/p][/quote]I completely agree dave, the riches on offer in the Premier league because of the new TV deal, is much bigger than any time in the past. I do think we can make it this year, but I believe it will be through the play offs. Gus rates the Argentinian highly and that's good enough for me. He could be the difference. I think we need to sign a central defender for cover if Dunk does go. But we seriously need a reliable back up for Bridders in case of injury or we heaven forbid lose him to another club. I thought Crofts would fill in as a replacement, or indeed Hammond. Neither have the skill or vision to fill Liams shoes imo,[/p][/quote]Agree about bridcutt, but if they were good enough, neither would have left saints or norwich, so we will struggle to replace him. Lets get right behind the club.. mark by the sea

11:54am Mon 14 Jan 13

IRISHGULL says...

according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager
according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager IRISHGULL

12:27pm Mon 14 Jan 13

brightonup says...

IRISHGULL wrote:
according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Sebasti%C3%
A1n_Fern%C3%A1ndez
[quote][p][bold]IRISHGULL[/bold] wrote: according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Sebasti%C3% A1n_Fern%C3%A1ndez brightonup

12:58pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Aussiegulls says...

According to wikipedia, the Ulloa deal is done and dusted.... http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Leonardo_Ul
loa
According to wikipedia, the Ulloa deal is done and dusted.... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Leonardo_Ul loa Aussiegulls

1:00pm Mon 14 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

'Poyet wants to make at least one more signing,' before the end of the month.
The comment kinda suggests that Ulloa plus one could be Ulloa plus two.

One more might well be a center back, Poyet has said that he would like to bolster our defensive pack.
With Vicente returning we regain his play making abilities from midfield so if two more do come, could the second be yet another striker?
'Poyet wants to make at least one more signing,' before the end of the month. The comment kinda suggests that Ulloa plus one could be Ulloa plus two. One more might well be a center back, Poyet has said that he would like to bolster our defensive pack. With Vicente returning we regain his play making abilities from midfield so if two more do come, could the second be yet another striker? VegasSeagull

1:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

arc12 says...

IRISHGULL wrote:
according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager
I just saw this mentioned on the lunch Sky Sports news - apparently the three clubs linked with 'interest' with Fernandez were Southampton, Norwich, and ourselves. Think it's probably unlikely but if he came (being another striker) surely that would hasten the departure of Dobbie/Hoskins?
[quote][p][bold]IRISHGULL[/bold] wrote: according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager[/p][/quote]I just saw this mentioned on the lunch Sky Sports news - apparently the three clubs linked with 'interest' with Fernandez were Southampton, Norwich, and ourselves. Think it's probably unlikely but if he came (being another striker) surely that would hasten the departure of Dobbie/Hoskins? arc12

1:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Arc12, 'if,' he came to us it might mean that he hastens our way up the table and into the top six maybe even the top two.

The effect his arrival might have regarding other players is something for Gus to concern himself about, for me I just want to see us get promoted.

Now to contradict myself. I do wonder what role Dobbie has within the squad, even with just the players we have now.

Hoskins, well I like him and I think the lad should be patient. He could make a sideways move, go somewhere like Derby or Ipswich but would he be any better off with a team such as either of those.

It is my hope that Gus has sat the lad down and had a good long chat with him, explained to him how the club view his future as IMHO, I am sure he has one with us.
Arc12, 'if,' he came to us it might mean that he hastens our way up the table and into the top six maybe even the top two. The effect his arrival might have regarding other players is something for Gus to concern himself about, for me I just want to see us get promoted. Now to contradict myself. I do wonder what role Dobbie has within the squad, even with just the players we have now. Hoskins, well I like him and I think the lad should be patient. He could make a sideways move, go somewhere like Derby or Ipswich but would he be any better off with a team such as either of those. It is my hope that Gus has sat the lad down and had a good long chat with him, explained to him how the club view his future as IMHO, I am sure he has one with us. VegasSeagull

1:32pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jockithenoo says...

arc12 wrote:
IRISHGULL wrote:
according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager
I just saw this mentioned on the lunch Sky Sports news - apparently the three clubs linked with 'interest' with Fernandez were Southampton, Norwich, and ourselves. Think it's probably unlikely but if he came (being another striker) surely that would hasten the departure of Dobbie/Hoskins?
I thought Fernandez was a development player at Malaga?
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IRISHGULL[/bold] wrote: according to a number of sources we are after fernandez at malaga.However he favors a move to the prem. Anybody no anything about this guy?.The respect that gus commands within the game, now attracts this sort of player to our club. We are only heading in one direction, with our fantastic manager[/p][/quote]I just saw this mentioned on the lunch Sky Sports news - apparently the three clubs linked with 'interest' with Fernandez were Southampton, Norwich, and ourselves. Think it's probably unlikely but if he came (being another striker) surely that would hasten the departure of Dobbie/Hoskins?[/p][/quote]I thought Fernandez was a development player at Malaga? jockithenoo

1:32pm Mon 14 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

In one of the Sunday Papers (the People I think) was a report that Holloway is interested in acquiring Dobbie for Palace. If that were to happen then he would need replacing.
In terms of other signings a Powerful Midfielder or another CB I imagine are top of the list. It would't surprise if a left back (cover for Bridge next year) or a young winger were signed. Indeed the People also reported that Brighton, amongst other clubs, are interested in Orient's Winger Odubajo.
An interesting couple of weeks ahead in prospect.
Turning to the Derby game it was good to see the Albion winning at Home in the league for a change. My only slight disappointment was that Hoskins didn't get an outing from the bench. I feel he deserves more opportunities based on his recent contributions.
In one of the Sunday Papers (the People I think) was a report that Holloway is interested in acquiring Dobbie for Palace. If that were to happen then he would need replacing. In terms of other signings a Powerful Midfielder or another CB I imagine are top of the list. It would't surprise if a left back (cover for Bridge next year) or a young winger were signed. Indeed the People also reported that Brighton, amongst other clubs, are interested in Orient's Winger Odubajo. An interesting couple of weeks ahead in prospect. Turning to the Derby game it was good to see the Albion winning at Home in the league for a change. My only slight disappointment was that Hoskins didn't get an outing from the bench. I feel he deserves more opportunities based on his recent contributions. ballantrrae

2:17pm Mon 14 Jan 13

lonegull says...

Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA lonegull

2:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Claude Back says...

lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.
[quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists. Claude Back

2:54pm Mon 14 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

Claude Back wrote:
lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.
Well put Claude, I was just about to state the same, but you beat me to it. I too believe that had Hoskins had the same amount of playing time as Barnes, we would have scored more goals and be higher up the table. He does show touches of class and needs a consistent run of games instead of these few minutes here and there.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.[/p][/quote]Well put Claude, I was just about to state the same, but you beat me to it. I too believe that had Hoskins had the same amount of playing time as Barnes, we would have scored more goals and be higher up the table. He does show touches of class and needs a consistent run of games instead of these few minutes here and there. fratsomrover

3:00pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Perseus says...

Three away League games. Will we see his debut in the next home League game?
Three away League games. Will we see his debut in the next home League game? Perseus

3:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Arc12, 'if,' he came to us it might mean that he hastens our way up the table and into the top six maybe even the top two.

The effect his arrival might have regarding other players is something for Gus to concern himself about, for me I just want to see us get promoted.

Now to contradict myself. I do wonder what role Dobbie has within the squad, even with just the players we have now.

Hoskins, well I like him and I think the lad should be patient. He could make a sideways move, go somewhere like Derby or Ipswich but would he be any better off with a team such as either of those.

It is my hope that Gus has sat the lad down and had a good long chat with him, explained to him how the club view his future as IMHO, I am sure he has one with us.
Whatever club you go to it doesn't automatically guarantee that you will play week in week out. The modern game is about the team and being ready to step up when you have to. There will always be injuries, there will always be players that need a rest and not forgetting the game changing substitutions.

The players know this and their job is to turn up for training and make sure they are fit and ready to play when needed. I'm sure Hoskins knows he is a valuable member of the team and has a good future with us.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Arc12, 'if,' he came to us it might mean that he hastens our way up the table and into the top six maybe even the top two. The effect his arrival might have regarding other players is something for Gus to concern himself about, for me I just want to see us get promoted. Now to contradict myself. I do wonder what role Dobbie has within the squad, even with just the players we have now. Hoskins, well I like him and I think the lad should be patient. He could make a sideways move, go somewhere like Derby or Ipswich but would he be any better off with a team such as either of those. It is my hope that Gus has sat the lad down and had a good long chat with him, explained to him how the club view his future as IMHO, I am sure he has one with us.[/p][/quote]Whatever club you go to it doesn't automatically guarantee that you will play week in week out. The modern game is about the team and being ready to step up when you have to. There will always be injuries, there will always be players that need a rest and not forgetting the game changing substitutions. The players know this and their job is to turn up for training and make sure they are fit and ready to play when needed. I'm sure Hoskins knows he is a valuable member of the team and has a good future with us. Hovite

3:25pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Bob! says...

ballantrrae wrote:
In one of the Sunday Papers (the People I think) was a report that Holloway is interested in acquiring Dobbie for Palace. If that were to happen then he would need replacing. In terms of other signings a Powerful Midfielder or another CB I imagine are top of the list. It would't surprise if a left back (cover for Bridge next year) or a young winger were signed. Indeed the People also reported that Brighton, amongst other clubs, are interested in Orient's Winger Odubajo. An interesting couple of weeks ahead in prospect. Turning to the Derby game it was good to see the Albion winning at Home in the league for a change. My only slight disappointment was that Hoskins didn't get an outing from the bench. I feel he deserves more opportunities based on his recent contributions.
Why would we need to replace Dobbie?
He's hardly played!

We've got Vicente, Orlandi, Lopez, Hoskins, Barnes, JFC that can all play that position.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: In one of the Sunday Papers (the People I think) was a report that Holloway is interested in acquiring Dobbie for Palace. If that were to happen then he would need replacing. In terms of other signings a Powerful Midfielder or another CB I imagine are top of the list. It would't surprise if a left back (cover for Bridge next year) or a young winger were signed. Indeed the People also reported that Brighton, amongst other clubs, are interested in Orient's Winger Odubajo. An interesting couple of weeks ahead in prospect. Turning to the Derby game it was good to see the Albion winning at Home in the league for a change. My only slight disappointment was that Hoskins didn't get an outing from the bench. I feel he deserves more opportunities based on his recent contributions.[/p][/quote]Why would we need to replace Dobbie? He's hardly played! We've got Vicente, Orlandi, Lopez, Hoskins, Barnes, JFC that can all play that position. Bob!

3:36pm Mon 14 Jan 13

lonegull says...

Thanks for your feedback.
It's funny how we all see the same thing but draw different conclusions.
I think Hoskins is easier on the eye than Barnes.
I think if you look at Chelsea the players with least technical ability, remembering it's all relative given the strength of their team, are Terry and Lampard. For Brighton I would substitute those two with El Ab and Barnes. IMO both teams are better with them than without them.
Thanks for your feedback. It's funny how we all see the same thing but draw different conclusions. I think Hoskins is easier on the eye than Barnes. I think if you look at Chelsea the players with least technical ability, remembering it's all relative given the strength of their team, are Terry and Lampard. For Brighton I would substitute those two with El Ab and Barnes. IMO both teams are better with them than without them. lonegull

3:45pm Mon 14 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Bob it might be that Gus has come to realise that he got it wrong with Dobbie. I would guess that his playing time in the last 10 matches adds up to less that the time Hoskins has had.

Hoskins is showing promise and Dobbie is showing very little.

I would like to see Dobbie go out on loan, if only to see if he can deliver when given regular matches.
Bob it might be that Gus has come to realise that he got it wrong with Dobbie. I would guess that his playing time in the last 10 matches adds up to less that the time Hoskins has had. Hoskins is showing promise and Dobbie is showing very little. I would like to see Dobbie go out on loan, if only to see if he can deliver when given regular matches. VegasSeagull

3:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13

wiseman of hove says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bob it might be that Gus has come to realise that he got it wrong with Dobbie. I would guess that his playing time in the last 10 matches adds up to less that the time Hoskins has had.

Hoskins is showing promise and Dobbie is showing very little.

I would like to see Dobbie go out on loan, if only to see if he can deliver when given regular matches.
I think that's a fair assesment of the Dobbie situation, Vegas. Not making the eighteen on Saturday was a bit telling I think. His going out on loan would seem sensible.
As for Hoskins, I agree with Claude Backe and fratsomrover. I think Hoskins is a class act and have thought so from day one. I can't help feeling that a bit of an opportunity has been lost over the last six or so league games but I think a run is now imminent. Apart from undoubted technical ability, he moves very swiftly and if the manager did not play him up front, I'm sure he could play the attacking midfield role that Hammond has yet to fully deliver.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bob it might be that Gus has come to realise that he got it wrong with Dobbie. I would guess that his playing time in the last 10 matches adds up to less that the time Hoskins has had. Hoskins is showing promise and Dobbie is showing very little. I would like to see Dobbie go out on loan, if only to see if he can deliver when given regular matches.[/p][/quote]I think that's a fair assesment of the Dobbie situation, Vegas. Not making the eighteen on Saturday was a bit telling I think. His going out on loan would seem sensible. As for Hoskins, I agree with Claude Backe and fratsomrover. I think Hoskins is a class act and have thought so from day one. I can't help feeling that a bit of an opportunity has been lost over the last six or so league games but I think a run is now imminent. Apart from undoubted technical ability, he moves very swiftly and if the manager did not play him up front, I'm sure he could play the attacking midfield role that Hammond has yet to fully deliver. wiseman of hove

4:21pm Mon 14 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

Bob! wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
In one of the Sunday Papers (the People I think) was a report that Holloway is interested in acquiring Dobbie for Palace. If that were to happen then he would need replacing. In terms of other signings a Powerful Midfielder or another CB I imagine are top of the list. It would't surprise if a left back (cover for Bridge next year) or a young winger were signed. Indeed the People also reported that Brighton, amongst other clubs, are interested in Orient's Winger Odubajo. An interesting couple of weeks ahead in prospect. Turning to the Derby game it was good to see the Albion winning at Home in the league for a change. My only slight disappointment was that Hoskins didn't get an outing from the bench. I feel he deserves more opportunities based on his recent contributions.
Why would we need to replace Dobbie?
He's hardly played!

We've got Vicente, Orlandi, Lopez, Hoskins, Barnes, JFC that can all play that position.
Point taken Bob!
I wasn't thinking of replacing with a player who is similar for the reason you point out. I thought perhaps with another out and out striker. Assuming Ulloa joins and CMS stays we only have one other striker, Hoskins, since Barnes is utilised mainly as a midfielder these days.
A number of other posters like VegasSeagull have suggested that we should get 2 strikers in now not just Ulloa.
I appreciate Dobbie probably won't leave, I was simply reacting to the Report in the People saying Palace were interested.
[quote][p][bold]Bob![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: In one of the Sunday Papers (the People I think) was a report that Holloway is interested in acquiring Dobbie for Palace. If that were to happen then he would need replacing. In terms of other signings a Powerful Midfielder or another CB I imagine are top of the list. It would't surprise if a left back (cover for Bridge next year) or a young winger were signed. Indeed the People also reported that Brighton, amongst other clubs, are interested in Orient's Winger Odubajo. An interesting couple of weeks ahead in prospect. Turning to the Derby game it was good to see the Albion winning at Home in the league for a change. My only slight disappointment was that Hoskins didn't get an outing from the bench. I feel he deserves more opportunities based on his recent contributions.[/p][/quote]Why would we need to replace Dobbie? He's hardly played! We've got Vicente, Orlandi, Lopez, Hoskins, Barnes, JFC that can all play that position.[/p][/quote]Point taken Bob! I wasn't thinking of replacing with a player who is similar for the reason you point out. I thought perhaps with another out and out striker. Assuming Ulloa joins and CMS stays we only have one other striker, Hoskins, since Barnes is utilised mainly as a midfielder these days. A number of other posters like VegasSeagull have suggested that we should get 2 strikers in now not just Ulloa. I appreciate Dobbie probably won't leave, I was simply reacting to the Report in the People saying Palace were interested. ballantrrae

4:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
That should read 'Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Barnes to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker'... I still haven't got over the fact that Hoskins didn't even get off the bench on Saturday... He has more ball control in his little toe than the much heralded AB but I don' want to slate one of our own either...
[quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]That should read 'Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Barnes to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker'... I still haven't got over the fact that Hoskins didn't even get off the bench on Saturday... He has more ball control in his little toe than the much heralded AB but I don' want to slate one of our own either... Jonathan Mouette

4:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
That should read 'Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Barnes to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker'... I still haven't got over the fact that Hoskins didn't even get off the bench on Saturday... He has more ball control in his little toe than the much heralded AB but I don' want to slate one of our own either...
[quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]That should read 'Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Barnes to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker'... I still haven't got over the fact that Hoskins didn't even get off the bench on Saturday... He has more ball control in his little toe than the much heralded AB but I don' want to slate one of our own either... Jonathan Mouette

4:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

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5:18pm Mon 14 Jan 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

Claude Back wrote:
lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.
Spot on my friend. You can't do much if you're never played consistently. If Gus showed the same faith in him as he shows in Barnes I believe he would be a really good player with us.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.[/p][/quote]Spot on my friend. You can't do much if you're never played consistently. If Gus showed the same faith in him as he shows in Barnes I believe he would be a really good player with us. WisdomSpeaks

5:35pm Mon 14 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games?

When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?
Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games? When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role? VegasSeagull

5:36pm Mon 14 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games? When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?
by, 'that role,' I of course mean the role Barnes adopted.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games? When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?[/p][/quote]by, 'that role,' I of course mean the role Barnes adopted. VegasSeagull

6:00pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Vegas, it's not a gamble - it's a stone wall banker that WH could and should have filled that role.

I often wonder if there isn't a certain amount of frustration creeping in on - and possibly off - the field. TK often shows his annoyance with team performance (remember the nose to nose confrontation with AB?) and Bridge's booking, late in to the game on Saturday, was (imho) borne more out of frustation with his own teammates and the weird substitutions than anything else. It really was a squeaky bum victory at the end of the day.
Vegas, it's not a gamble - it's a stone wall banker that WH could and should have filled that role. I often wonder if there isn't a certain amount of frustration creeping in on - and possibly off - the field. TK often shows his annoyance with team performance (remember the nose to nose confrontation with AB?) and Bridge's booking, late in to the game on Saturday, was (imho) borne more out of frustation with his own teammates and the weird substitutions than anything else. It really was a squeaky bum victory at the end of the day. Jonathan Mouette

6:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games? When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?
by, 'that role,' I of course mean the role Barnes adopted.
VegasSeagull you have hit the nail on the head.
Barnes now plays the wide support striker/midfield role quite well. He fully understands what Poyet wants from him in that position and works hard to execute it.
With CMS injured for the Derby game there was the perfect opportunity for Hoskins to deputise for him and start with Barnes retained playing his familiar wide role. In fact for most of the second half on Saturday Poyet switched Barnes out wide to the right anyway.
Actually I thought Barnes did quite well as the main central striker in the first half although his touch did let him down on a couple of occasions and that is the issue. Hoskins touch is superior and might have helped the Albion to get that important third goal.
Back to the Dobbie question. It will be interesting to see, assuming Ulloa joins, whether Dobbie gets more game time playing in the 'hole' just behind Ulloa. If he doesn't then, as you Vegas have been trumpeting, perhaps we should get another striker in in his place. One way or the other Dobbie deserves a fair crack of the whip as indeed does Hoskins.
Any thoughts ?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games? When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?[/p][/quote]by, 'that role,' I of course mean the role Barnes adopted.[/p][/quote]VegasSeagull you have hit the nail on the head. Barnes now plays the wide support striker/midfield role quite well. He fully understands what Poyet wants from him in that position and works hard to execute it. With CMS injured for the Derby game there was the perfect opportunity for Hoskins to deputise for him and start with Barnes retained playing his familiar wide role. In fact for most of the second half on Saturday Poyet switched Barnes out wide to the right anyway. Actually I thought Barnes did quite well as the main central striker in the first half although his touch did let him down on a couple of occasions and that is the issue. Hoskins touch is superior and might have helped the Albion to get that important third goal. Back to the Dobbie question. It will be interesting to see, assuming Ulloa joins, whether Dobbie gets more game time playing in the 'hole' just behind Ulloa. If he doesn't then, as you Vegas have been trumpeting, perhaps we should get another striker in in his place. One way or the other Dobbie deserves a fair crack of the whip as indeed does Hoskins. Any thoughts ? ballantrrae

7:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae, Dobbie behind Ulloa, sounds like a plan but if the plan had legs why haven't we seen him adopt that role behind CMS? I expected him to adopt that role when he arrived, I thought that was why he was bought.

Right now we don't know how Poyet will use Ulloa, will he be the lone striker or will he play behind CMS.

I am of the opinion that Gus doesn't want to gamble, I think he is only out to improve on what he knows works.
To take Barnes out and insert Hoskins for a run of games could be considered a gamble. In Barnes he knows what he has. I would place a decent bet that Hoskins will replace Barnes in the next cup match starting line up.

Every point from now on counts and whilst Hoskins is shaping up nicely he might have to prove his worth more on the training ground or Cup than in league matches.
Gus ain't stupid, if the lad does the business I am sure he won't waste him.
Ballantrrae, Dobbie behind Ulloa, sounds like a plan but if the plan had legs why haven't we seen him adopt that role behind CMS? I expected him to adopt that role when he arrived, I thought that was why he was bought. Right now we don't know how Poyet will use Ulloa, will he be the lone striker or will he play behind CMS. I am of the opinion that Gus doesn't want to gamble, I think he is only out to improve on what he knows works. To take Barnes out and insert Hoskins for a run of games could be considered a gamble. In Barnes he knows what he has. I would place a decent bet that Hoskins will replace Barnes in the next cup match starting line up. Every point from now on counts and whilst Hoskins is shaping up nicely he might have to prove his worth more on the training ground or Cup than in league matches. Gus ain't stupid, if the lad does the business I am sure he won't waste him. VegasSeagull

7:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13

mr punch says...

Never mind the play-offs lads. We are gonna storm right through and grab auto promotion. Macca will be gutted he left! UTA!
Never mind the play-offs lads. We are gonna storm right through and grab auto promotion. Macca will be gutted he left! UTA! mr punch

8:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13

tonytowner1 says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.
Well put Claude, I was just about to state the same, but you beat me to it. I too believe that had Hoskins had the same amount of playing time as Barnes, we would have scored more goals and be higher up the table. He does show touches of class and needs a consistent run of games instead of these few minutes here and there.
Remember to deduct all the Barnes penalties this and last (and the one before) season from his tally too for a fair stats comparison (maybe to "add" to this, deduct the few he's missed too :-)

I see Lambert has scored the last 32 penalties he has taken - maybe a video compilation for our lads to watch would be good!!?? (though I know Lopez has taken the last two as "properly" hit penalties - he may not be on the pitch though of course for the next one!!
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]It's the 'nice touches' that discerning fans have noticed and sets him apart from Barnes. Hoskins has skill. He just doesn't get a real chance to show it. If he had started as many times as Barnes I am sure Hoskins would have scored more goals than Barnsie and provided more assists.[/p][/quote]Well put Claude, I was just about to state the same, but you beat me to it. I too believe that had Hoskins had the same amount of playing time as Barnes, we would have scored more goals and be higher up the table. He does show touches of class and needs a consistent run of games instead of these few minutes here and there.[/p][/quote]Remember to deduct all the Barnes penalties this and last (and the one before) season from his tally too for a fair stats comparison (maybe to "add" to this, deduct the few he's missed too :-) I see Lambert has scored the last 32 penalties he has taken - maybe a video compilation for our lads to watch would be good!!?? (though I know Lopez has taken the last two as "properly" hit penalties - he may not be on the pitch though of course for the next one!! tonytowner1

10:57pm Mon 14 Jan 13

noddychops says...

CMS, lovely fellow, scuttles about like a crab, lets not be too critical of others first touch when his needs a second and if he is lucky a third - thats if he still is within a couple of yards of the bouncing ball
CMS, lovely fellow, scuttles about like a crab, lets not be too critical of others first touch when his needs a second and if he is lucky a third - thats if he still is within a couple of yards of the bouncing ball noddychops

1:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13

down_under says...

Gus is an ex-footballer. Are you expecting him to be able to add up FFS?
Gus is an ex-footballer. Are you expecting him to be able to add up FFS? down_under

2:54pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Freeloaders says...

lonegull wrote:
Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes.
Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker.
Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year.
I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA
Very good post my friend.Since his days at Watford people knew the lad had some talent.That was never the problem with him.Its his life away from the club.The lad is big trouble off the field,and thats why know big clubs have ever been after him.They all luv the guy on here but never ask themselfs why we was the only club in for him.The fact some sad people on here find the lad good looking is even more sad.His a footballer not a pop star.Give me the knew ugly guy anyday.
[quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Find it strange the way everyone seems to love Hoskins but very few have time for Barnes. Apart from a couple of nice touches and one good goal I've seen nothing from Hoskins to suggest he's anymore than a reasonable league one striker. Yes he scored 17 league goals in 43 games for struggling Bristol City but that's the best ratio he's ever managed and he he's hardly a youngster. Only 2 in 12, in league 1, for a very good Sheff United side last year. I don't want to slate our own player and I'd love hime to prove me wrong I just struggle to see what a lot of you are seeing. UTA[/p][/quote]Very good post my friend.Since his days at Watford people knew the lad had some talent.That was never the problem with him.Its his life away from the club.The lad is big trouble off the field,and thats why know big clubs have ever been after him.They all luv the guy on here but never ask themselfs why we was the only club in for him.The fact some sad people on here find the lad good looking is even more sad.His a footballer not a pop star.Give me the knew ugly guy anyday. Freeloaders

6:44pm Tue 15 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games?

When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?
Well Said Barnes's work rate is way way above many of Albions other players
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Wisdom who would you leave out so as to give the lad a run of games? When David had to take over the right back duties he and Barnes, according to all reports, worked really well together, would you have gambled Hoskins for that role?[/p][/quote]Well Said Barnes's work rate is way way above many of Albions other players tinker111

6:46pm Tue 15 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

New Keeper on way ?????
New Keeper on way ????? tinker111

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