Ulloa can be our Michu

Leonardo Ulloa is due to sign either today or tomorrow

Leonardo Ulloa is due to sign either today or tomorrow

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Gus Poyet hopes new striker Leonardo Ulloa can become Albion’s answer to Michu.

Boss Poyet will have a close up view of Swansea ace Michu, pictured, against Arsenal tonight.

He will be at The Emirates to size up the Seagulls’ next FA Cup opponents, with the winners of the third round replay visiting The Amex on Saturday week.

Michu has been a revelation in the Premier League for Swansea since the Welshmen snapped him up from La Liga rookies Rayo Vallecano for £2 million in the summer.

Albion are paying a similar sum for Ulloa from Spanish Second Division club Almeria and Poyet would love the 26-year-old Argentinian target man to be a similar success in the Championship.

He said: “I hope so. I think he has got all the ingredients to be a proper striker for England, the size, heading ability, right or left foot.

“He scored plenty of goals for Almeria last year so everything is there. It’s up to us to use him in the right way.”

Ulloa now has the Spanish passport he needs to be eligible to play in England and is expected to complete his move to Albion today or tomorrow.

Poyet has no preference whether it is Michu’s Swansea or Arsenal that the Seagulls face in the fourth round. He is more concerned about winning the next two league games, at Birmingham on Saturday and at Blackburn three days later.

“I wanted the smallest team (in the draw) but they didn’t listen to me!” Poyet joked. “I am sure the fans would prefer Arsenal, because of what it means, but anyone who is coming is going to be difficult. They have got quality, they keep the ball well, they have got quality players up front.

“I hope maybe Swansea are going to be a little bit more tired, because they are playing another two games (Chelsea in League Cup). I would like to win the next two and then it doesn’t matter, the Cup. I want to relax, sit there and enjoy the game.”

Albion are advising supporters to book early to secure a seat for the FA Cup fourth round.

They have already sold about 21,000 tickets. The visitors will be entitled to 4,000, although Swansea are not expected to take their full allocation if they go through.

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9:58am Wed 16 Jan 13

Bob! says...

'Albion are advising supporters to book early to secure a seat for the FA Cup fourth round.'

That advise may be a bit tardy if Arsenal go through as there are just 33 tickets left available online currently.
'Albion are advising supporters to book early to secure a seat for the FA Cup fourth round.' That advise may be a bit tardy if Arsenal go through as there are just 33 tickets left available online currently. Bob!
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10:07am Wed 16 Jan 13

Alfie T says...

Michu, absolute dead ringer for Ulloa.
Michu, absolute dead ringer for Ulloa. Alfie T
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10:28am Wed 16 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Let's hope he is another Michu who is a real revelation this year... but it is not all down to Ulloa, it depends to a large extent on the service he receives and how well players can adapt - we haven't had a player in the squad with his particular qualities... Let's hope it is a rapid adaptation, with fingers firmly crossed.
Let's hope he is another Michu who is a real revelation this year... but it is not all down to Ulloa, it depends to a large extent on the service he receives and how well players can adapt - we haven't had a player in the squad with his particular qualities... Let's hope it is a rapid adaptation, with fingers firmly crossed. Jonathan Mouette
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10:28am Wed 16 Jan 13

Claude Back says...

Alfie T wrote:
Michu, absolute dead ringer for Ulloa.
Yes, uncanny isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Michu, absolute dead ringer for Ulloa.[/p][/quote]Yes, uncanny isn't it? Claude Back
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10:41am Wed 16 Jan 13

Ohnotagain ! says...

Bob! wrote:
'Albion are advising supporters to book early to secure a seat for the FA Cup fourth round.'

That advise may be a bit tardy if Arsenal go through as there are just 33 tickets left available online currently.
25 tickets now
[quote][p][bold]Bob![/bold] wrote: 'Albion are advising supporters to book early to secure a seat for the FA Cup fourth round.' That advise may be a bit tardy if Arsenal go through as there are just 33 tickets left available online currently.[/p][/quote]25 tickets now Ohnotagain !
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10:59am Wed 16 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Claude Back wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Michu, absolute dead ringer for Ulloa.
Yes, uncanny isn't it?
Ha ha, that's funny guys. Do all these Latin types look the same?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Michu, absolute dead ringer for Ulloa.[/p][/quote]Yes, uncanny isn't it?[/p][/quote]Ha ha, that's funny guys. Do all these Latin types look the same? dave from bexill
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11:19am Wed 16 Jan 13

meaty loaf says...

Hopefully it won't be a case of "Michu do About Nothing".
Hopefully it won't be a case of "Michu do About Nothing". meaty loaf
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11:19am Wed 16 Jan 13

a1a1a1 says...

Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue.
This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often
Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often a1a1a1
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11:31am Wed 16 Jan 13

mikeygit says...

All sounds good---obviously Gus IS confident he will be an Albion player--get him here and signed up!!!
All sounds good---obviously Gus IS confident he will be an Albion player--get him here and signed up!!! mikeygit
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11:47am Wed 16 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

a1a1a1 wrote:
Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue.
This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often
Ok,but Gus seems to have been watching this player for sometime now and must have done a full appraisal of his strengths and weaknesses, of which he's sure to have both.Gus must be confident this is the player he wants for the club at this time and although there's always a risk attached, I for one am really excited about the prospect of this player joining the squad and improving our team. Not sure that comparisons with Michu are particularly helpful or indeed relevant at this time.
[quote][p][bold]a1a1a1[/bold] wrote: Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often[/p][/quote]Ok,but Gus seems to have been watching this player for sometime now and must have done a full appraisal of his strengths and weaknesses, of which he's sure to have both.Gus must be confident this is the player he wants for the club at this time and although there's always a risk attached, I for one am really excited about the prospect of this player joining the squad and improving our team. Not sure that comparisons with Michu are particularly helpful or indeed relevant at this time. dave from bexill
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11:59am Wed 16 Jan 13

Claude Back says...

meaty loaf wrote:
Hopefully it won't be a case of "Michu do About Nothing".
Class.
[quote][p][bold]meaty loaf[/bold] wrote: Hopefully it won't be a case of "Michu do About Nothing".[/p][/quote]Class. Claude Back
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12:00pm Wed 16 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

a1a1a1 wrote:
Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue.
This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often
We can't have a big, Argentine target man without a few yellow and red cards flying about! I wouldn't expect any less! Hehe!
[quote][p][bold]a1a1a1[/bold] wrote: Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often[/p][/quote]We can't have a big, Argentine target man without a few yellow and red cards flying about! I wouldn't expect any less! Hehe! WestStander17
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12:23pm Wed 16 Jan 13

mr punch says...

Arsenal or Swansea, ether way we have three passing teams in the mix and on paper it will be a cracker! Having Ulloa in the mix will be a great chance to see what the bloke's all about without worrying about dropping points in the all-important league. Also be good to see Vicente make an appearance. Gutted I can't make the game but hopefuly it might appear online somewhere. UTA!
Arsenal or Swansea, ether way we have three passing teams in the mix and on paper it will be a cracker! Having Ulloa in the mix will be a great chance to see what the bloke's all about without worrying about dropping points in the all-important league. Also be good to see Vicente make an appearance. Gutted I can't make the game but hopefuly it might appear online somewhere. UTA! mr punch
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12:25pm Wed 16 Jan 13

northstand4 says...

IMO Gus has signed the best player suited to our need within the budget at his disposal. It can be said that if Ulloa has even half the success of Michu this season then 'we' can consider that money well spent. At the start of the season I wanted to see the Boothrod's and sharp's come to the Amex, but how successful have they been and how much have they been earning!? Ulloa has been purchased for a reasonable fee and won't be breaking the bank in terms of wages, he's 6ft 3ins and he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net! Let Gus do his magic on him and enjoy the show, Seagulls!!! UTA
IMO Gus has signed the best player suited to our need within the budget at his disposal. It can be said that if Ulloa has even half the success of Michu this season then 'we' can consider that money well spent. At the start of the season I wanted to see the Boothrod's and sharp's come to the Amex, but how successful have they been and how much have they been earning!? Ulloa has been purchased for a reasonable fee and won't be breaking the bank in terms of wages, he's 6ft 3ins and he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net! Let Gus do his magic on him and enjoy the show, Seagulls!!! UTA northstand4
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12:40pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Alan G Skinner says...

Finally a foil for CMS.
Finally a foil for CMS. Alan G Skinner
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12:46pm Wed 16 Jan 13

markymark03 says...

Lets just hope we sign him today and that we are not speculating this time next week
Lets just hope we sign him today and that we are not speculating this time next week markymark03
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12:48pm Wed 16 Jan 13

markymark03 says...

On that dodgy rumour site aparently Macheda is in town, seen at the Amex. Would be good but it will probably turn out to be two balls in a sack as usual
On that dodgy rumour site aparently Macheda is in town, seen at the Amex. Would be good but it will probably turn out to be two balls in a sack as usual markymark03
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12:54pm Wed 16 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

I doubt that Brighton have ever signed a player on whom the pressure has been so high.

It would seem, from the comments being made by fans and management, that this guy is carrying the hopes and dreams of all the fans, I hope he can handle it.

The burden of scoring goals for Brighton looks to have been shifted from the other strikers and now it's all down to Ulloa, this is not good.

Expectations are high both in the halls of power at the Amex and on the terraces but we have only signed one player who we can think of as a name on the team sheet, is that enough?
Can one striker make so much difference, even if he does bring what we have been missing.

When all are fit we have a good squad, no denying that but there are 17 or more other players that have got to deliver week in and week out if we are to reach the top. My hope is that one or two other players will sign before this window closes.
I doubt that Brighton have ever signed a player on whom the pressure has been so high. It would seem, from the comments being made by fans and management, that this guy is carrying the hopes and dreams of all the fans, I hope he can handle it. The burden of scoring goals for Brighton looks to have been shifted from the other strikers and now it's all down to Ulloa, this is not good. Expectations are high both in the halls of power at the Amex and on the terraces but we have only signed one player who we can think of as a name on the team sheet, is that enough? Can one striker make so much difference, even if he does bring what we have been missing. When all are fit we have a good squad, no denying that but there are 17 or more other players that have got to deliver week in and week out if we are to reach the top. My hope is that one or two other players will sign before this window closes. VegasSeagull
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1:01pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Claude Back says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Finally a foil for CMS.
Hopefully.
Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating.
Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system.
It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Finally a foil for CMS.[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating. Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system. It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net. Claude Back
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1:01pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Vegas - our general play has been excellent so I'm not sure what further strengthening is needed. Backup, perhaps. The amount of chances we have created has been boggling, but they are of a type for which we have not had the right kind of finisher. Now we might well have, although I would have to disagree that the burden will be entirely Ulloa's! He is there for a specific purpose - we will still need to score the goals we already are. Exciting times.
Vegas - our general play has been excellent so I'm not sure what further strengthening is needed. Backup, perhaps. The amount of chances we have created has been boggling, but they are of a type for which we have not had the right kind of finisher. Now we might well have, although I would have to disagree that the burden will be entirely Ulloa's! He is there for a specific purpose - we will still need to score the goals we already are. Exciting times. Old Scrote of the Amex
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1:01pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Dr Baldhead says...

a1a1a1 wrote:
Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue.
This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often
He's hardly played for Almeria this season. Once he made it known he wanted to leave in the summer, they got in another striker and I believe he had played second fiddle to him ever since. Whilst i don't think we should over hype him, I wouldn't be too concerned with his recent scoring / appearance record.
[quote][p][bold]a1a1a1[/bold] wrote: Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often[/p][/quote]He's hardly played for Almeria this season. Once he made it known he wanted to leave in the summer, they got in another striker and I believe he had played second fiddle to him ever since. Whilst i don't think we should over hype him, I wouldn't be too concerned with his recent scoring / appearance record. Dr Baldhead
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1:03pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Claude Back says...

'Always' and 'scoring', sorry. Anyone else find typing on this site often goes wrong?
'Always' and 'scoring', sorry. Anyone else find typing on this site often goes wrong? Claude Back
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1:04pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Claude Back wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
Finally a foil for CMS.
Hopefully.
Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating.
Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system.
It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.
You are just choosing two arbitrarily, but if you follow that to its logical conclusion, why not play with 4 out and out strikers? Four times as much for the opposition defenders to worry about. If you play with one (and there is a reason so many teams are doing this) you can still have your other players scoring too.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Finally a foil for CMS.[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating. Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system. It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.[/p][/quote]You are just choosing two arbitrarily, but if you follow that to its logical conclusion, why not play with 4 out and out strikers? Four times as much for the opposition defenders to worry about. If you play with one (and there is a reason so many teams are doing this) you can still have your other players scoring too. Old Scrote of the Amex
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1:11pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Bob! says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
a1a1a1 wrote: Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often
He's hardly played for Almeria this season. Once he made it known he wanted to leave in the summer, they got in another striker and I believe he had played second fiddle to him ever since. Whilst i don't think we should over hype him, I wouldn't be too concerned with his recent scoring / appearance record.
We probably should be a bit concerned about his recent appearance record in that he will undoubtedly be lacking match fitness, and will require time to acquire this.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a1a1a1[/bold] wrote: Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often[/p][/quote]He's hardly played for Almeria this season. Once he made it known he wanted to leave in the summer, they got in another striker and I believe he had played second fiddle to him ever since. Whilst i don't think we should over hype him, I wouldn't be too concerned with his recent scoring / appearance record.[/p][/quote]We probably should be a bit concerned about his recent appearance record in that he will undoubtedly be lacking match fitness, and will require time to acquire this. Bob!
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1:13pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Claude Back says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
Finally a foil for CMS.
Hopefully.
Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating.
Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system.
It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.
You are just choosing two arbitrarily, but if you follow that to its logical conclusion, why not play with 4 out and out strikers? Four times as much for the opposition defenders to worry about. If you play with one (and there is a reason so many teams are doing this) you can still have your other players scoring too.
Four strikers would mean a lack of width and other players to provide passes or crosses so I cannot agree that is a logical conclusion. ;-)
Traditionally, the most successful teams always had a good pairing of forwards who had a good understanding of what the other would do or what position to take. There are many examples so I do not need to list them.Such a pairing would still be successful today in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Finally a foil for CMS.[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating. Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system. It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.[/p][/quote]You are just choosing two arbitrarily, but if you follow that to its logical conclusion, why not play with 4 out and out strikers? Four times as much for the opposition defenders to worry about. If you play with one (and there is a reason so many teams are doing this) you can still have your other players scoring too.[/p][/quote]Four strikers would mean a lack of width and other players to provide passes or crosses so I cannot agree that is a logical conclusion. ;-) Traditionally, the most successful teams always had a good pairing of forwards who had a good understanding of what the other would do or what position to take. There are many examples so I do not need to list them.Such a pairing would still be successful today in my opinion. Claude Back
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1:16pm Wed 16 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Old Scrote, I would like to see a player come to the club that is better than Crofts and Hammond, for me both of these players need to have their selection challenged.

The other area which concerns me is the ground speed of our defenders, one or two of them are lacking in pace.

I agree our general game is good and yes, we have created many chances to score, but having Ulloa doesn't improve the first touch of CMS, something he needs to work on.
When David has been asked to fill in at right back he has delivered but should we be in a position to have to turn to him.

I guess what I am saying is, Ulloa is not going to fix what some would see as areas where we could strengthen, even before his name was on the list of possible signings. My fear is that too much hope will be laid at one players feet when there are also areas of our game that also need tweaking.
Old Scrote, I would like to see a player come to the club that is better than Crofts and Hammond, for me both of these players need to have their selection challenged. The other area which concerns me is the ground speed of our defenders, one or two of them are lacking in pace. I agree our general game is good and yes, we have created many chances to score, but having Ulloa doesn't improve the first touch of CMS, something he needs to work on. When David has been asked to fill in at right back he has delivered but should we be in a position to have to turn to him. I guess what I am saying is, Ulloa is not going to fix what some would see as areas where we could strengthen, even before his name was on the list of possible signings. My fear is that too much hope will be laid at one players feet when there are also areas of our game that also need tweaking. VegasSeagull
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1:30pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Claude Back wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
Finally a foil for CMS.
Hopefully.
Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating.
Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system.
It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.
Do you not think that although we may start with one up front we may finish with 2 or 3 up front depending on where we are in the game.

As an example, CMS can run the defence ragged, tire them out, and hopefully score. Then send on Hoskins and Leo from the bench to finish the job off.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Finally a foil for CMS.[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Gus never plays two strikers though and that is really frustrating. Perhaps this signing will change his mind.I don't endorse the latest fashion for only one striker perpetuated by Barcelona as only they can do it successfully and other teams just don't have the players gifted enough to accomplish it. Chelsea do come close but look at the players they have in midfield. Personally, I always prefer two strikers at least and reject any suggestion so called 'modern football' is not successful with this system. It is aways eleven against eleven and no matter how you tinker with formations, ultimately if you have two good strikers you have a better chance of scoing and give defences twice as much to worry about. It's basically simple; keep passing to your own players and then pass the ball into the net.[/p][/quote]Do you not think that although we may start with one up front we may finish with 2 or 3 up front depending on where we are in the game. As an example, CMS can run the defence ragged, tire them out, and hopefully score. Then send on Hoskins and Leo from the bench to finish the job off. Hovite
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1:52pm Wed 16 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite when the best clubs in the world stop playing with the lone striker system, that is when we should too.
I am not so sure that we really understand the term, 'lone striker.' If Ulloa was the one up front and either CMS or Hoskins was playing just behind him, is that truly a lone striker option?
If two strikers are on the park then we have two strikers on the park, not one.

For me Barnes is looking very capable of adopting a midfield attacking role, he could replace Crofts or Hammond, if Ulloa is up front, CMS behind him and Barnes in midfield, do we have three strikers on the park?

The term, 'lone striker,' suggests that just one takes the field. CMS, Hoskins and Barnes are benched, do we really think that will happen. I feel sure that two strikers will start our matches, with one pushed further up field than the other.
Hovite when the best clubs in the world stop playing with the lone striker system, that is when we should too. I am not so sure that we really understand the term, 'lone striker.' If Ulloa was the one up front and either CMS or Hoskins was playing just behind him, is that truly a lone striker option? If two strikers are on the park then we have two strikers on the park, not one. For me Barnes is looking very capable of adopting a midfield attacking role, he could replace Crofts or Hammond, if Ulloa is up front, CMS behind him and Barnes in midfield, do we have three strikers on the park? The term, 'lone striker,' suggests that just one takes the field. CMS, Hoskins and Barnes are benched, do we really think that will happen. I feel sure that two strikers will start our matches, with one pushed further up field than the other. VegasSeagull
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1:58pm Wed 16 Jan 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

a1a1a1 wrote:
Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often
If we're judging his net worth based on how many goals scored then he's no worse than Barnes, better than Dobbie, and not far behind CMS, so I wouldn't panic, just let the lad settle in and get familiar then we can look forward to a rampant run of scoring 2 goals before the season is over :-)
[quote][p][bold]a1a1a1[/bold] wrote: Michu scored 17 goals in La Liga last year though, and our proposed new guy scored 7 when playing at the highest level for 1 season - he also got 7 yellow cards - something which is a regular habit, so perhaps the Latino temperament may be an issue. This season Ulloa has only scored 4 goals, none since September. Maybe i am just being cautious,but he has only scored more than 10 goals in 1 season and that was in the Spanish 2nd tier . All other seasons including this year he has struggled and got booked and sent off quite often[/p][/quote]If we're judging his net worth based on how many goals scored then he's no worse than Barnes, better than Dobbie, and not far behind CMS, so I wouldn't panic, just let the lad settle in and get familiar then we can look forward to a rampant run of scoring 2 goals before the season is over :-) PressBoxTeaBoy
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2:08pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Old Scrote, I would like to see a player come to the club that is better than Crofts and Hammond, for me both of these players need to have their selection challenged.

The other area which concerns me is the ground speed of our defenders, one or two of them are lacking in pace.

I agree our general game is good and yes, we have created many chances to score, but having Ulloa doesn't improve the first touch of CMS, something he needs to work on.
When David has been asked to fill in at right back he has delivered but should we be in a position to have to turn to him.

I guess what I am saying is, Ulloa is not going to fix what some would see as areas where we could strengthen, even before his name was on the list of possible signings. My fear is that too much hope will be laid at one players feet when there are also areas of our game that also need tweaking.
It's funny - the few times I've seen CMS his first touch has been fine. I presume I've been lucky.

As for David filling in, what other choice is there? We already have two excellent right-backs and the odds of both being unavailable were slim, even though it happened. Do you think we should have THREE quality players for each position for just this very occasional situation? The third choice wouldn't get a game most seasons and would not be happy failing to even make the bench week after week.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Old Scrote, I would like to see a player come to the club that is better than Crofts and Hammond, for me both of these players need to have their selection challenged. The other area which concerns me is the ground speed of our defenders, one or two of them are lacking in pace. I agree our general game is good and yes, we have created many chances to score, but having Ulloa doesn't improve the first touch of CMS, something he needs to work on. When David has been asked to fill in at right back he has delivered but should we be in a position to have to turn to him. I guess what I am saying is, Ulloa is not going to fix what some would see as areas where we could strengthen, even before his name was on the list of possible signings. My fear is that too much hope will be laid at one players feet when there are also areas of our game that also need tweaking.[/p][/quote]It's funny - the few times I've seen CMS his first touch has been fine. I presume I've been lucky. As for David filling in, what other choice is there? We already have two excellent right-backs and the odds of both being unavailable were slim, even though it happened. Do you think we should have THREE quality players for each position for just this very occasional situation? The third choice wouldn't get a game most seasons and would not be happy failing to even make the bench week after week. Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:09pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Agree Vegas, we will always start with 2 strikers, but not in the tradition fixed 442 formation. I think we will always start with a fluid 42211.

In any case Orlandi finishes like a striker, it was a nice strikers header he had against Derby.
Agree Vegas, we will always start with 2 strikers, but not in the tradition fixed 442 formation. I think we will always start with a fluid 42211. In any case Orlandi finishes like a striker, it was a nice strikers header he had against Derby. Hovite
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2:15pm Wed 16 Jan 13

hannover seagull says...

He´s a growing lad Ulloa

Last week he was quoted as being 5 ft 11´

This week 6ft 3

He´ll be enormous by the end the season at this rate

Feel a 4-4-2 coming on

UTA.................
.................
He´s a growing lad Ulloa Last week he was quoted as being 5 ft 11´ This week 6ft 3 He´ll be enormous by the end the season at this rate Feel a 4-4-2 coming on UTA................. ................. hannover seagull
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2:30pm Wed 16 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

OldScrote, what is the difference between a right back and a left back?
OldScrote, what is the difference between a right back and a left back? VegasSeagull
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2:33pm Wed 16 Jan 13

mark by the sea says...

The case of the second striker is really about work rate and movement, cms fits that, also far from stupid, he will suit that roll.. Still a centre back short , caldi or dunk can do it with elabd out injured, but a cetre back pairing with elabd not for me, GG has his critics , however he is a class above what we have .
The case of the second striker is really about work rate and movement, cms fits that, also far from stupid, he will suit that roll.. Still a centre back short , caldi or dunk can do it with elabd out injured, but a cetre back pairing with elabd not for me, GG has his critics , however he is a class above what we have . mark by the sea
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3:36pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Tommy11 says...

Hovite wrote:
Agree Vegas, we will always start with 2 strikers, but not in the tradition fixed 442 formation. I think we will always start with a fluid 42211. In any case Orlandi finishes like a striker, it was a nice strikers header he had against Derby.
But he also missed a sitter....

I don't agree that he finishes like a striker, but he has really come on over the last couple of months and looking decent.

I think we need to all take a chill pill in realtion to Ulloa and let him settle. We actually have not signed him yet, and there all this talk which is totally OTT....

I agree with Vegas that there is so much pressure on the man....

He may be another Federico Terrenzo...
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Agree Vegas, we will always start with 2 strikers, but not in the tradition fixed 442 formation. I think we will always start with a fluid 42211. In any case Orlandi finishes like a striker, it was a nice strikers header he had against Derby.[/p][/quote]But he also missed a sitter.... I don't agree that he finishes like a striker, but he has really come on over the last couple of months and looking decent. I think we need to all take a chill pill in realtion to Ulloa and let him settle. We actually have not signed him yet, and there all this talk which is totally OTT.... I agree with Vegas that there is so much pressure on the man.... He may be another Federico Terrenzo... Tommy11
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3:49pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Neville says...

For info was at The Amex this morning and Ulloa was training as was Vicente.Good news.
For info was at The Amex this morning and Ulloa was training as was Vicente.Good news. Neville
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3:53pm Wed 16 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Neville wrote:
For info was at The Amex this morning and Ulloa was training as was Vicente.Good news.
Nice one Neville. Did you manage to get a kick about with them?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: For info was at The Amex this morning and Ulloa was training as was Vicente.Good news.[/p][/quote]Nice one Neville. Did you manage to get a kick about with them? dave from bexill
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3:58pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Neville says...

Dave

Unfortunately not,but given the chance I would of course.
Dave Unfortunately not,but given the chance I would of course. Neville
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4:02pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
OldScrote, what is the difference between a right back and a left back?
Not sure of your point...?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OldScrote, what is the difference between a right back and a left back?[/p][/quote]Not sure of your point...? Old Scrote of the Amex
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4:09pm Wed 16 Jan 13

BobbyZamoraIsALegend says...

How did they look Neville? Can't see us playing 442 much better a fluid system,

My ideal team:

Kus

Bruno El Abd Greer Bridge

Bridcutt

Buckley Vicente Orlandi CMS

Ulloa
How did they look Neville? Can't see us playing 442 much better a fluid system, My ideal team: Kus Bruno El Abd Greer Bridge Bridcutt Buckley Vicente Orlandi CMS Ulloa BobbyZamoraIsALegend
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4:33pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Neville says...

Attn Bobby Zamora
The training session lasted about 2.5 hours and all players looked fit and quite intense sesion,lots of discussion. Ulloa scored a couple of good goals and he also looked fit and Calderon acting as his mentor on the session.
Impossible to see what system will be played Sat but I expect Ulloa may be on bench.
Attn Bobby Zamora The training session lasted about 2.5 hours and all players looked fit and quite intense sesion,lots of discussion. Ulloa scored a couple of good goals and he also looked fit and Calderon acting as his mentor on the session. Impossible to see what system will be played Sat but I expect Ulloa may be on bench. Neville
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4:42pm Wed 16 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: OldScrote, what is the difference between a right back and a left back?
Not sure of your point...?
My point is, to my mind the only difference is that each of them have a prefered peg, the actual job they do is the same.

We have had to rely on the adaptability of a right side midfield player to step in at right back, perhaps our alternative left back should have been able to get the job done.
In today's game most players are comfortable with both pegs, even if they have a prefered one, it seems that our left sided defenders are not.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OldScrote, what is the difference between a right back and a left back?[/p][/quote]Not sure of your point...?[/p][/quote]My point is, to my mind the only difference is that each of them have a prefered peg, the actual job they do is the same. We have had to rely on the adaptability of a right side midfield player to step in at right back, perhaps our alternative left back should have been able to get the job done. In today's game most players are comfortable with both pegs, even if they have a prefered one, it seems that our left sided defenders are not. VegasSeagull
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4:45pm Wed 16 Jan 13

duncan 74 says...

Well done Gus. I have a good feeling about this signing. Shame he's not half Hawaiian because the headline could have been " Alloha Ulloa" sorry.

I think our squad is shaping up to be one capable of promotion this or next year. Only weak area is centre back. Don't get me wrong I think Greer had been amazing and probably the signing that started all of this. And if every player had the commitment of El Abd we would be in the Prem already. However, I always feel they are playing at the top of their skill level and I feel if we are to make the jump to the next level this position will need to be addressed. I really like Lewis Dunk and with the right development could be a great player. I remember reading on here soneone said he was only a league one player. Garbage. Unlike the other two I always feel he has more to give if needed, and not in a bad way. Anyway loving being a fan at the moment. How can you not.
Well done Gus. I have a good feeling about this signing. Shame he's not half Hawaiian because the headline could have been " Alloha Ulloa" sorry. I think our squad is shaping up to be one capable of promotion this or next year. Only weak area is centre back. Don't get me wrong I think Greer had been amazing and probably the signing that started all of this. And if every player had the commitment of El Abd we would be in the Prem already. However, I always feel they are playing at the top of their skill level and I feel if we are to make the jump to the next level this position will need to be addressed. I really like Lewis Dunk and with the right development could be a great player. I remember reading on here soneone said he was only a league one player. Garbage. Unlike the other two I always feel he has more to give if needed, and not in a bad way. Anyway loving being a fan at the moment. How can you not. duncan 74
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4:48pm Wed 16 Jan 13

BobbyZamoraIsALegend says...

Not sure i agree Vegas, especially regarding David Lopez, he has looked much more at home at RB than he has at CM, probably as he gets more time on the ball and can pick passes. To me a left back (left footed) playing at right back is a fall back option, i'd much rather have a right footed player playing there.

Cheers for the heads up Neville, just seen some pic on twitter from North End Chat with the big man holding the mighty blue and white kit (ps shirt wasn't as big this time) ;-)
Not sure i agree Vegas, especially regarding David Lopez, he has looked much more at home at RB than he has at CM, probably as he gets more time on the ball and can pick passes. To me a left back (left footed) playing at right back is a fall back option, i'd much rather have a right footed player playing there. Cheers for the heads up Neville, just seen some pic on twitter from North End Chat with the big man holding the mighty blue and white kit (ps shirt wasn't as big this time) ;-) BobbyZamoraIsALegend
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4:54pm Wed 16 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Old Scrote, I would like to see a player come to the club that is better than Crofts and Hammond, for me both of these players need to have their selection challenged.

The other area which concerns me is the ground speed of our defenders, one or two of them are lacking in pace.

I agree our general game is good and yes, we have created many chances to score, but having Ulloa doesn't improve the first touch of CMS, something he needs to work on.
When David has been asked to fill in at right back he has delivered but should we be in a position to have to turn to him.

I guess what I am saying is, Ulloa is not going to fix what some would see as areas where we could strengthen, even before his name was on the list of possible signings. My fear is that too much hope will be laid at one players feet when there are also areas of our game that also need tweaking.
Seconded.
We do need a powerful midfielder and would benefit from having at least one CD with pace.
Amongst the many attributes that Lawrenson who Is the best defender I've seen playing for the Albion (IMO) was pace.
I hope that Ulloa turns out to be the type of striker that the club has been looking for and that we fans show patience while he settles in and becomes match fit.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Old Scrote, I would like to see a player come to the club that is better than Crofts and Hammond, for me both of these players need to have their selection challenged. The other area which concerns me is the ground speed of our defenders, one or two of them are lacking in pace. I agree our general game is good and yes, we have created many chances to score, but having Ulloa doesn't improve the first touch of CMS, something he needs to work on. When David has been asked to fill in at right back he has delivered but should we be in a position to have to turn to him. I guess what I am saying is, Ulloa is not going to fix what some would see as areas where we could strengthen, even before his name was on the list of possible signings. My fear is that too much hope will be laid at one players feet when there are also areas of our game that also need tweaking.[/p][/quote]Seconded. We do need a powerful midfielder and would benefit from having at least one CD with pace. Amongst the many attributes that Lawrenson who Is the best defender I've seen playing for the Albion (IMO) was pace. I hope that Ulloa turns out to be the type of striker that the club has been looking for and that we fans show patience while he settles in and becomes match fit. ballantrrae
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5:08pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Far gull says...

duncan 74 wrote:
Well done Gus. I have a good feeling about this signing. Shame he's not half Hawaiian because the headline could have been " Alloha Ulloa" sorry.

I think our squad is shaping up to be one capable of promotion this or next year. Only weak area is centre back. Don't get me wrong I think Greer had been amazing and probably the signing that started all of this. And if every player had the commitment of El Abd we would be in the Prem already. However, I always feel they are playing at the top of their skill level and I feel if we are to make the jump to the next level this position will need to be addressed. I really like Lewis Dunk and with the right development could be a great player. I remember reading on here soneone said he was only a league one player. Garbage. Unlike the other two I always feel he has more to give if needed, and not in a bad way. Anyway loving being a fan at the moment. How can you not.
Had to comment D your Alloha Ulloa comment deserved comment only because nobody commented on mine on a previous thread ,even if only to say how bad it was! my comment was to say hello ,ulloa when he signs hope he is as successful as the sit com.
Either both comments went over peoples heads or they were that bad nobody prepared to comment either way yours made me smile.
Great time to be supporting our team
[quote][p][bold]duncan 74[/bold] wrote: Well done Gus. I have a good feeling about this signing. Shame he's not half Hawaiian because the headline could have been " Alloha Ulloa" sorry. I think our squad is shaping up to be one capable of promotion this or next year. Only weak area is centre back. Don't get me wrong I think Greer had been amazing and probably the signing that started all of this. And if every player had the commitment of El Abd we would be in the Prem already. However, I always feel they are playing at the top of their skill level and I feel if we are to make the jump to the next level this position will need to be addressed. I really like Lewis Dunk and with the right development could be a great player. I remember reading on here soneone said he was only a league one player. Garbage. Unlike the other two I always feel he has more to give if needed, and not in a bad way. Anyway loving being a fan at the moment. How can you not.[/p][/quote]Had to comment D your Alloha Ulloa comment deserved comment only because nobody commented on mine on a previous thread ,even if only to say how bad it was! my comment was to say hello ,ulloa when he signs hope he is as successful as the sit com. Either both comments went over peoples heads or they were that bad nobody prepared to comment either way yours made me smile. Great time to be supporting our team Far gull
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5:25pm Wed 16 Jan 13

saraman says...

Claude Back wrote:
'Always' and 'scoring', sorry. Anyone else find typing on this site often goes wrong?
Yes Claude, it happens all of the time. I make a point of proof reading my post before I hit the submit key. Even then I miss silly things that frustrate me. Not all the bad grammar on here is down to poor education but just a gliche in the system. To my way of thinking if someone can post back critising a post; they have understood quite clearly what the poster was getting at. I hope I have not made myself obscure.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: 'Always' and 'scoring', sorry. Anyone else find typing on this site often goes wrong?[/p][/quote]Yes Claude, it happens all of the time. I make a point of proof reading my post before I hit the submit key. Even then I miss silly things that frustrate me. Not all the bad grammar on here is down to poor education but just a gliche in the system. To my way of thinking if someone can post back critising a post; they have understood quite clearly what the poster was getting at. I hope I have not made myself obscure. saraman
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5:40pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Agree Vegas, we will always start with 2 strikers, but not in the tradition fixed 442 formation. I think we will always start with a fluid 42211. In any case Orlandi finishes like a striker, it was a nice strikers header he had against Derby.
But he also missed a sitter....

I don't agree that he finishes like a striker, but he has really come on over the last couple of months and looking decent.

I think we need to all take a chill pill in realtion to Ulloa and let him settle. We actually have not signed him yet, and there all this talk which is totally OTT....

I agree with Vegas that there is so much pressure on the man....

He may be another Federico Terrenzo...
I don't think there is any pressure on him, he will be here with a fresh clear mind. I would say the pressure is off CMS which is a good thing,
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Agree Vegas, we will always start with 2 strikers, but not in the tradition fixed 442 formation. I think we will always start with a fluid 42211. In any case Orlandi finishes like a striker, it was a nice strikers header he had against Derby.[/p][/quote]But he also missed a sitter.... I don't agree that he finishes like a striker, but he has really come on over the last couple of months and looking decent. I think we need to all take a chill pill in realtion to Ulloa and let him settle. We actually have not signed him yet, and there all this talk which is totally OTT.... I agree with Vegas that there is so much pressure on the man.... He may be another Federico Terrenzo...[/p][/quote]I don't think there is any pressure on him, he will be here with a fresh clear mind. I would say the pressure is off CMS which is a good thing, Hovite
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5:59pm Wed 16 Jan 13

saraman says...

I just want to see Ulloa holding the blue and white stripes at The Amex. Then and only then will I believe that he has signed. 99% of me says yes he will. The other 1% says not sure.
I just want to see Ulloa holding the blue and white stripes at The Amex. Then and only then will I believe that he has signed. 99% of me says yes he will. The other 1% says not sure. saraman
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9:33pm Wed 16 Jan 13

russellsnr2 says...

First game against Arsenal !!!
First game against Arsenal !!! russellsnr2
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