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Kuszczak stars but knows Albion can do much better

The Argus: Kuszczak had a good game but Albion had an off night Kuszczak had a good game but Albion had an off night

GOALKEEPER Tomasz Kuszczak admitted Albion were disappointed despite salvaging a point at Blackburn last night.

The Poland international made four good saves before David converted a penalty in the sixth minute of stoppage time to ensure a 1-1 draw.

It was Kuszczak’s mistake in added time that cost Albion two points in a 2-2 draw at Birmingham on Saturday but he took little pleasure in last night’s outcome.

Kuszczak said: “Really we weren’t happy with the way we played.

“This is not our standard. Okay, we drew the game and got a point but we didn’t create enough, didn’t pass the ball well enough.

“A point is a good thing but we need to play better.

“At the weekend we lost two points because we only drew the game. “It was my mistake, this happens in football, but we played well.

“Today we played worse and drew the game too. Football is crazy.”

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2:51pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

What Gus is guilty of is that he didn't take into account of how far the team has moved on since Vicente got injured. As Gus says, he went back to what he learned from pre-season games as to how he might use Vicente.

My guess is that after the performance of yesterday Vincente will play in midfield as the creator and what ever the strike force is in front of him, it will be for them to cash in on his plays.
If we play 4-4-1-1 then Vicente will certainly be one of the 4 rather than in behind the lone striker.
What Gus is guilty of is that he didn't take into account of how far the team has moved on since Vicente got injured. As Gus says, he went back to what he learned from pre-season games as to how he might use Vicente. My guess is that after the performance of yesterday Vincente will play in midfield as the creator and what ever the strike force is in front of him, it will be for them to cash in on his plays. If we play 4-4-1-1 then Vicente will certainly be one of the 4 rather than in behind the lone striker. VegasSeagull
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3:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

saraman says...

We all know the Albion can do better. It's Gus that needs to do better with his team formation. From here on in we need an attacking formation right from the start and not sit back and hope to win with a breakaway goal. It's becoming tedious Gus.
We all know the Albion can do better. It's Gus that needs to do better with his team formation. From here on in we need an attacking formation right from the start and not sit back and hope to win with a breakaway goal. It's becoming tedious Gus. saraman
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3:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13

LesBerry says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
What Gus is guilty of is that he didn't take into account of how far the team has moved on since Vicente got injured. As Gus says, he went back to what he learned from pre-season games as to how he might use Vicente. My guess is that after the performance of yesterday Vincente will play in midfield as the creator and what ever the strike force is in front of him, it will be for them to cash in on his plays. If we play 4-4-1-1 then Vicente will certainly be one of the 4 rather than in behind the lone striker.
Wouldn't bank on it - Gus is afterall one for sticking to his guns !!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: What Gus is guilty of is that he didn't take into account of how far the team has moved on since Vicente got injured. As Gus says, he went back to what he learned from pre-season games as to how he might use Vicente. My guess is that after the performance of yesterday Vincente will play in midfield as the creator and what ever the strike force is in front of him, it will be for them to cash in on his plays. If we play 4-4-1-1 then Vicente will certainly be one of the 4 rather than in behind the lone striker.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't bank on it - Gus is afterall one for sticking to his guns !! LesBerry
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3:33pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

saraman wrote:
We all know the Albion can do better. It's Gus that needs to do better with his team formation. From here on in we need an attacking formation right from the start and not sit back and hope to win with a breakaway goal. It's becoming tedious Gus.
Even in away games? Surely that's going to leave us more vulnerable at the back.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: We all know the Albion can do better. It's Gus that needs to do better with his team formation. From here on in we need an attacking formation right from the start and not sit back and hope to win with a breakaway goal. It's becoming tedious Gus.[/p][/quote]Even in away games? Surely that's going to leave us more vulnerable at the back. Old Scrote of the Amex
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3:43pm Wed 23 Jan 13

saraman says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
saraman wrote: We all know the Albion can do better. It's Gus that needs to do better with his team formation. From here on in we need an attacking formation right from the start and not sit back and hope to win with a breakaway goal. It's becoming tedious Gus.
Even in away games? Surely that's going to leave us more vulnerable at the back.
Could do, but it will also leave the home defence more vunerable. We have got good attacking capabilities so let's use it.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: We all know the Albion can do better. It's Gus that needs to do better with his team formation. From here on in we need an attacking formation right from the start and not sit back and hope to win with a breakaway goal. It's becoming tedious Gus.[/p][/quote]Even in away games? Surely that's going to leave us more vulnerable at the back.[/p][/quote]Could do, but it will also leave the home defence more vunerable. We have got good attacking capabilities so let's use it. saraman
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4:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

I have a question for anyone that wants to answer it and the question is, would you rather have cautious lineups that might take us to the playoffs or, have attacking lineups that might leave us vunerable in defense.

We all know that the trick is to get a balance of attacking prowess and still be able to defend in numbers if we need to.

We have seen many draws over the last few months, mosltly brought about due to lack of finishing and not because we had a cautious approach to the game. The chances have been created we have simply not taken them.
More fire power will not work if those providing the fire power fail to convert chances into goals.

We could play with two front men, two attacking midfield players and two defensive midfielders, we could do that but if we do then those selected must score goals, and that has not been happening on a regular basis.

It might be that our forwards are not good enough, maybe CMS, Buckley and others are not up to the task and if that is the case then Poyet and Bloom need to act.

I happen to think that we have enough talent within the squad but those with the talent are not delivering in a consistent way.
Ulloa is coming in and let's hope he helps but others must also up their game to meet the extra options that he will offer. I have often stated that we should bring in two new strikers, cover for Ulloa yes, he is a one off option in our squad, but also because I am not sure that our strikers are up to it.
I have a question for anyone that wants to answer it and the question is, would you rather have cautious lineups that might take us to the playoffs or, have attacking lineups that might leave us vunerable in defense. We all know that the trick is to get a balance of attacking prowess and still be able to defend in numbers if we need to. We have seen many draws over the last few months, mosltly brought about due to lack of finishing and not because we had a cautious approach to the game. The chances have been created we have simply not taken them. More fire power will not work if those providing the fire power fail to convert chances into goals. We could play with two front men, two attacking midfield players and two defensive midfielders, we could do that but if we do then those selected must score goals, and that has not been happening on a regular basis. It might be that our forwards are not good enough, maybe CMS, Buckley and others are not up to the task and if that is the case then Poyet and Bloom need to act. I happen to think that we have enough talent within the squad but those with the talent are not delivering in a consistent way. Ulloa is coming in and let's hope he helps but others must also up their game to meet the extra options that he will offer. I have often stated that we should bring in two new strikers, cover for Ulloa yes, he is a one off option in our squad, but also because I am not sure that our strikers are up to it. VegasSeagull
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4:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Freeloaders says...

Its so clear the club have got trouble with Croft & Hoskins.Anyone can now see why Norwich got him off the wage bill asap.As for them lot they really sound nice lads.Vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloader vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders.
Its so clear the club have got trouble with Croft & Hoskins.Anyone can now see why Norwich got him off the wage bill asap.As for them lot they really sound nice lads.Vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloader vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders. Freeloaders
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4:43pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

With the season now well in to its second half, it's time for GP to make some very big decisions.
Does he continue to send out a defensive team in the hope we can win by the odd goal or does he give it a real go and make use of what is arguably one of the strongest squads in the championship.
Playing Vicente last night was a positive move and one I liked but as others have mentioned.. What was the point when there was no one in the team with the pace to run onto his killer balls. Strange decision.
Each to their own of course but players such as Dicker, David and Barnes are squad players at best. If we are to have a real go then the best players we have must start the game.
I actually like the 3 guys I've mentioned and they all do a job but its not up to the level that others are able to play at.
Interestingly, I took my girlfriend to her 1st ever match the other week, it was the Millwall at home game. She knows so little about football that she asked me why they go back to the middle when someone scores. After stopping laughing eventually she added another comment and asked me why the black guy (lua lua) didn't start our games as we looked a far better team when he came on... I found myself unable to answer her question but it did spell out to me just how obvious it is for anyone to see that we are a very different team when we have skill and pace on the pitch.
My long winded point is we have to use our best players, no more holding back. lets use Vicente and what he has to offer whilst he is fit,. Lets get the players on the pitch that will win us the game.... David, Dicker and Barnes do a job... Buckley, Lua Lua, Vicente and Hoskins win games.
The back 5 / 6 if you include Bridcutt are more than capable of shutting a team out so please let's fill the other berths with match winners, players that can beat a man, have skill, pace, can make a killer pass and importantly have more composure.
We have the players GP, please use them before its too late.

As always this is just my humble opinion.

Uta
With the season now well in to its second half, it's time for GP to make some very big decisions. Does he continue to send out a defensive team in the hope we can win by the odd goal or does he give it a real go and make use of what is arguably one of the strongest squads in the championship. Playing Vicente last night was a positive move and one I liked but as others have mentioned.. What was the point when there was no one in the team with the pace to run onto his killer balls. Strange decision. Each to their own of course but players such as Dicker, David and Barnes are squad players at best. If we are to have a real go then the best players we have must start the game. I actually like the 3 guys I've mentioned and they all do a job but its not up to the level that others are able to play at. Interestingly, I took my girlfriend to her 1st ever match the other week, it was the Millwall at home game. She knows so little about football that she asked me why they go back to the middle when someone scores. After stopping laughing eventually she added another comment and asked me why the black guy (lua lua) didn't start our games as we looked a far better team when he came on... I found myself unable to answer her question but it did spell out to me just how obvious it is for anyone to see that we are a very different team when we have skill and pace on the pitch. My long winded point is we have to use our best players, no more holding back. lets use Vicente and what he has to offer whilst he is fit,. Lets get the players on the pitch that will win us the game.... David, Dicker and Barnes do a job... Buckley, Lua Lua, Vicente and Hoskins win games. The back 5 / 6 if you include Bridcutt are more than capable of shutting a team out so please let's fill the other berths with match winners, players that can beat a man, have skill, pace, can make a killer pass and importantly have more composure. We have the players GP, please use them before its too late. As always this is just my humble opinion. Uta SMF20
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4:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Its so clear the club have got trouble with Croft & Hoskins.Anyone can now see why Norwich got him off the wage bill asap.As for them lot they really sound nice lads.Vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloader vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders.
....and he's back... and self-parodying too! Still, it was a nice break.

At least there's the nice distraction of the FA Cup now. Should be a good game of football whatever the result.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Its so clear the club have got trouble with Croft & Hoskins.Anyone can now see why Norwich got him off the wage bill asap.As for them lot they really sound nice lads.Vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloader vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders vile vile freeloaders.[/p][/quote]....and he's back... and self-parodying too! Still, it was a nice break. At least there's the nice distraction of the FA Cup now. Should be a good game of football whatever the result. Old Scrote of the Amex
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5:05pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20, just a comment on your posted opion.

You say, 'our back 5/6 are more than capable of shutting out teams,' you want the rest of the park filled with match winners.

CMS is a striker, one which you leave out of your named, 'match winners,' are you forgetting the amount of work he does defensively, he chases back quicker than any on the park.

Barnes you refer to as, one that can, 'do a job,' are you forgetting the goals he has scored in onpen play in the last few games.

You seem to be suggesting that David is another not up to the mark, he too offers help to the defense and offers an attacking option.

Your team would not be balanced, we would be too open to attack and counter attack.
Hoskins, rightly or wrongly, has not had a lot of playing time, on what evidence do you rate him as a match winner whilst not including CMS.

I can see where you are coming from, I really can but, if we were to go this route I think it would fail, IMHO.

The pressure on Bridcutt would be immense and the wide defenders would have to stay at home rather than raiding down the flanks. I think what we would gain on the swings we would lose on the roundabouts.

I hope you take my comments in the spirit that they were written in.
SMF20, just a comment on your posted opion. You say, 'our back 5/6 are more than capable of shutting out teams,' you want the rest of the park filled with match winners. CMS is a striker, one which you leave out of your named, 'match winners,' are you forgetting the amount of work he does defensively, he chases back quicker than any on the park. Barnes you refer to as, one that can, 'do a job,' are you forgetting the goals he has scored in onpen play in the last few games. You seem to be suggesting that David is another not up to the mark, he too offers help to the defense and offers an attacking option. Your team would not be balanced, we would be too open to attack and counter attack. Hoskins, rightly or wrongly, has not had a lot of playing time, on what evidence do you rate him as a match winner whilst not including CMS. I can see where you are coming from, I really can but, if we were to go this route I think it would fail, IMHO. The pressure on Bridcutt would be immense and the wide defenders would have to stay at home rather than raiding down the flanks. I think what we would gain on the swings we would lose on the roundabouts. I hope you take my comments in the spirit that they were written in. VegasSeagull
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5:09pm Wed 23 Jan 13

IRISHGULL says...

Really pleased our fantastic keeper did nt get a hard time on here after saturday, because i feel him and liam have been stand out performers this season. Without these two i think our centre backs would have been exposed. Ido think we struggle against teams with stature and height, blackburn only have two players under six feet, and judging by the commentary on radio sussex, there game plan was to kick and muscle us off the ball. West ham and stoke were also a bit to physical for us. Actually i think we have a better chance against the gunners, than we would against those two. Interesting team selection coming up for saturday would like to see buckley and vincente start together,
Really pleased our fantastic keeper did nt get a hard time on here after saturday, because i feel him and liam have been stand out performers this season. Without these two i think our centre backs would have been exposed. Ido think we struggle against teams with stature and height, blackburn only have two players under six feet, and judging by the commentary on radio sussex, there game plan was to kick and muscle us off the ball. West ham and stoke were also a bit to physical for us. Actually i think we have a better chance against the gunners, than we would against those two. Interesting team selection coming up for saturday would like to see buckley and vincente start together, IRISHGULL
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5:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Vegas,

Each to their own. Perhaps if you'd seen some more of the games what I'm saying would make sense.

I don't mean to come across as argumentative in any way but I feel that you don't appreciate anothers opinion unless it matches your own.

Keep posting and have your say but please understand that not everyone thinks alike.

Have a good day
Vegas, Each to their own. Perhaps if you'd seen some more of the games what I'm saying would make sense. I don't mean to come across as argumentative in any way but I feel that you don't appreciate anothers opinion unless it matches your own. Keep posting and have your say but please understand that not everyone thinks alike. Have a good day SMF20
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5:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Vegas,

I'd add that I wouldn't start with the 4 I mention, they were just examples.
As it happens I'd start with only 2 of the 4 and Cms would get the nod along with Ulloa up top.
Vegas, I'd add that I wouldn't start with the 4 I mention, they were just examples. As it happens I'd start with only 2 of the 4 and Cms would get the nod along with Ulloa up top. SMF20
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5:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Yeah right Kazim Richards was always on the border of a yellow with his challenges. Have to give him credit for his effort though, he wasn't going to make it easy for us.

Still, we play them in 3 weeks at the Amex.
Yeah right Kazim Richards was always on the border of a yellow with his challenges. Have to give him credit for his effort though, he wasn't going to make it easy for us. Still, we play them in 3 weeks at the Amex. Hovite
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5:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Ref: IRISHGULL
Ref: IRISHGULL Hovite
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5:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Falmer Wizard says...

Once we were clear of the relegation zone I wanted to see us play Lua Lua ,Buckley and CMS at home games to give us real entertainment and goals however a `Must not loose` attitude playing one up front,lots of possession in our own half has led to many drawn, boring games,hoping for better for remainder of season but not sure Gus will change his style.
Once we were clear of the relegation zone I wanted to see us play Lua Lua ,Buckley and CMS at home games to give us real entertainment and goals however a `Must not loose` attitude playing one up front,lots of possession in our own half has led to many drawn, boring games,hoping for better for remainder of season but not sure Gus will change his style. Falmer Wizard
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5:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20 wrote:
Vegas, I'd add that I wouldn't start with the 4 I mention, they were just examples. As it happens I'd start with only 2 of the 4 and Cms would get the nod along with Ulloa up top.
For clarity SMF20 what would your ideal lineup be, maybe that would help we get to grips with your thinking a little better.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Vegas, I'd add that I wouldn't start with the 4 I mention, they were just examples. As it happens I'd start with only 2 of the 4 and Cms would get the nod along with Ulloa up top.[/p][/quote]For clarity SMF20 what would your ideal lineup be, maybe that would help we get to grips with your thinking a little better. VegasSeagull
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5:27pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bruce beckett says...

I would like to see 4-3-3 with Buckley, CMS and Ulloa given a chance to play together. Yes, that will probably leave us more exposed at the back, but what's the point of signing attacking players if you then leave them on the subs' bench. I think the problem with this is that you then need two defensive midfielders (Bridcutt + A.N. Other) as Gus seems more concerned about preventing goals than scoring them.

Was hoping Crofts and Hammond would make a much bigger impact on their return but it's clear that we're still lacking a quality attacking midfielder, along with an imposing centre back. The jigsaw never seems complete but such is football.

I really hope we go for it in the last 18 games as how often will the three clubs relegated from the PL (Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves) and the three promoted clubs from Div One (Charlton, Huddersfield and Sheff Weds) not feature in the promotion race?
I would like to see 4-3-3 with Buckley, CMS and Ulloa given a chance to play together. Yes, that will probably leave us more exposed at the back, but what's the point of signing attacking players if you then leave them on the subs' bench. I think the problem with this is that you then need two defensive midfielders (Bridcutt + A.N. Other) as Gus seems more concerned about preventing goals than scoring them. Was hoping Crofts and Hammond would make a much bigger impact on their return but it's clear that we're still lacking a quality attacking midfielder, along with an imposing centre back. The jigsaw never seems complete but such is football. I really hope we go for it in the last 18 games as how often will the three clubs relegated from the PL (Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves) and the three promoted clubs from Div One (Charlton, Huddersfield and Sheff Weds) not feature in the promotion race? bruce beckett
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5:37pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Vegas, I'd add that I wouldn't start with the 4 I mention, they were just examples. As it happens I'd start with only 2 of the 4 and Cms would get the nod along with Ulloa up top.
For clarity SMF20 what would your ideal lineup be, maybe that would help we get to grips with your thinking a little better.
Kuz
Bruno, Greer, El abd, Bridge
Buckley, Bridcutt, Vicente, Orlandi,
Cms, Ulloa.

The wingers would work the line defensively and in an attacking manner. Cms would run the Cb's ragged whilst Ulloa bullies them and links play.
We would still have other match winners on the bench in Lua Lua etc and we would not have thrown total caution to the wind because as mentioned Buckley and Orlandi are more than capable of tracking back.
Bruce Becket makes a good call in what he says about Crofts and Hammond not having the desired effect since joining us again. If we had a Trotter type midfielder then perhaps a different option would be available.
Something else worth mentioning is that Lua Lua played a game in the middle recently and looked a massive handful. I wouldn't mind seeing him given a run in the driving midfielder position.

Hope this helps
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Vegas, I'd add that I wouldn't start with the 4 I mention, they were just examples. As it happens I'd start with only 2 of the 4 and Cms would get the nod along with Ulloa up top.[/p][/quote]For clarity SMF20 what would your ideal lineup be, maybe that would help we get to grips with your thinking a little better.[/p][/quote]Kuz Bruno, Greer, El abd, Bridge Buckley, Bridcutt, Vicente, Orlandi, Cms, Ulloa. The wingers would work the line defensively and in an attacking manner. Cms would run the Cb's ragged whilst Ulloa bullies them and links play. We would still have other match winners on the bench in Lua Lua etc and we would not have thrown total caution to the wind because as mentioned Buckley and Orlandi are more than capable of tracking back. Bruce Becket makes a good call in what he says about Crofts and Hammond not having the desired effect since joining us again. If we had a Trotter type midfielder then perhaps a different option would be available. Something else worth mentioning is that Lua Lua played a game in the middle recently and looked a massive handful. I wouldn't mind seeing him given a run in the driving midfielder position. Hope this helps SMF20
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5:41pm Wed 23 Jan 13

fairweathersupporter says...

my humble opinion is...

Gus likes to control games. Some judge this as cautious but his philosophy of denying the opposition the ball is hardly rocket science and he is not about to change. Recent variations have been on a theme and however you like to string out your 4-5-1/ 4-3-3, i'd be surprised to see the 'traditional' 4-4-2. Mind you i was very surprised at the employment of three at the back against Millwall; so you never know (not that it lasted beyond the half hour mark).
The ability to flood the midfield is at the heart of any possession game. The nuances of taking this safely into attack are at the centre of the debate and as to how many attacking players you have in midfield... That might be the trick.
We play well and lose and draw, we play badly and scrape a draw or a win. We all want to play well and win.
But as TK says: 'Football is crazy'
my humble opinion is... Gus likes to control games. Some judge this as cautious but his philosophy of denying the opposition the ball is hardly rocket science and he is not about to change. Recent variations have been on a theme and however you like to string out your 4-5-1/ 4-3-3, i'd be surprised to see the 'traditional' 4-4-2. Mind you i was very surprised at the employment of three at the back against Millwall; so you never know (not that it lasted beyond the half hour mark). The ability to flood the midfield is at the heart of any possession game. The nuances of taking this safely into attack are at the centre of the debate and as to how many attacking players you have in midfield... That might be the trick. We play well and lose and draw, we play badly and scrape a draw or a win. We all want to play well and win. But as TK says: 'Football is crazy' fairweathersupporter
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5:47pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Far gull says...

Sounds like lucky with a point last night , plenty of attacking options now but after last night not sure again about Gus and tactics .Earlier in the season on our 5 game winning run we had a settled side ever since whilist there will always be enforced changes i fail to understand some gus decisions .
Roll on saturday think we have a great chance who ever we play in the side .
Would like to see back five(incl lopez) then midfield of bridcutt.dicker(to start) orlandi,buckley,Vice
nte then cms up front.
Subs Hoskins ,lualua,bruno,callde
ron,Ulloa.Hammond.To
maz must start and finish .:-)
Sounds like lucky with a point last night , plenty of attacking options now but after last night not sure again about Gus and tactics .Earlier in the season on our 5 game winning run we had a settled side ever since whilist there will always be enforced changes i fail to understand some gus decisions . Roll on saturday think we have a great chance who ever we play in the side . Would like to see back five(incl lopez) then midfield of bridcutt.dicker(to start) orlandi,buckley,Vice nte then cms up front. Subs Hoskins ,lualua,bruno,callde ron,Ulloa.Hammond.To maz must start and finish .:-) Far gull
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5:48pm Wed 23 Jan 13

IRISHGULL says...

bruce beckett wrote:
I would like to see 4-3-3 with Buckley, CMS and Ulloa given a chance to play together. Yes, that will probably leave us more exposed at the back, but what's the point of signing attacking players if you then leave them on the subs' bench. I think the problem with this is that you then need two defensive midfielders (Bridcutt + A.N. Other) as Gus seems more concerned about preventing goals than scoring them.

Was hoping Crofts and Hammond would make a much bigger impact on their return but it's clear that we're still lacking a quality attacking midfielder, along with an imposing centre back. The jigsaw never seems complete but such is football.

I really hope we go for it in the last 18 games as how often will the three clubs relegated from the PL (Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves) and the three promoted clubs from Div One (Charlton, Huddersfield and Sheff Weds) not feature in the promotion race?
mate i have been banging on about the relegated clubs for some time this season. It is unusual for them all to be performing so poorly, we really do have to go for the big prize this season, and judging by the activity in the transfer window, gus and tony know this could be our best chance.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: I would like to see 4-3-3 with Buckley, CMS and Ulloa given a chance to play together. Yes, that will probably leave us more exposed at the back, but what's the point of signing attacking players if you then leave them on the subs' bench. I think the problem with this is that you then need two defensive midfielders (Bridcutt + A.N. Other) as Gus seems more concerned about preventing goals than scoring them. Was hoping Crofts and Hammond would make a much bigger impact on their return but it's clear that we're still lacking a quality attacking midfielder, along with an imposing centre back. The jigsaw never seems complete but such is football. I really hope we go for it in the last 18 games as how often will the three clubs relegated from the PL (Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves) and the three promoted clubs from Div One (Charlton, Huddersfield and Sheff Weds) not feature in the promotion race?[/p][/quote]mate i have been banging on about the relegated clubs for some time this season. It is unusual for them all to be performing so poorly, we really do have to go for the big prize this season, and judging by the activity in the transfer window, gus and tony know this could be our best chance. IRISHGULL
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6:19pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20, yes your team list did help. My concern for the lineup you suggest remains, only Bridcutt in midfield as a play stopper.
I agree Orlandi can get back as can Buckley but they would have to have temendous self dicipline when our left and right back go on the raid. I could see both of them running the risk of being drawn into the attack and leave us open to a quick counter attack.

Having a Hammond/Dicker/Croft
s type player on the park along with Bridcutt might offer better protection when we do raid in numbers.

Ballantrrae and I have been suggesting the need for a power house midfield player, perhaps if we had one your idea might work better as it would afford us both an attacking option and a defensive one, a Paul Scoles type. (spell check Scoles)
SMF20, yes your team list did help. My concern for the lineup you suggest remains, only Bridcutt in midfield as a play stopper. I agree Orlandi can get back as can Buckley but they would have to have temendous self dicipline when our left and right back go on the raid. I could see both of them running the risk of being drawn into the attack and leave us open to a quick counter attack. Having a Hammond/Dicker/Croft s type player on the park along with Bridcutt might offer better protection when we do raid in numbers. Ballantrrae and I have been suggesting the need for a power house midfield player, perhaps if we had one your idea might work better as it would afford us both an attacking option and a defensive one, a Paul Scoles type. (spell check Scoles) VegasSeagull
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6:34pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Vegas,

2 things, 1stly I agree re the powerhouse. If Crofts or Hammond had lived up to expectation I'd start with one of them, drop Orlandi to the bench and push Vicente to the left. They haven't though and so I'd rather have a superstar start for us.
2ndly, if you take a look at 2 of the top 3 in the Premiership, neither of them had even 1 defensive midfielder on the pitch in their last game, it's all about going forward and they certainly haven't done too badlyusing this tactic.
I am of course not suggesting GP follows with Fergie or Benitez, I do think though that Liam is enough with what we currently have available.
We are getting there :)
Vegas, 2 things, 1stly I agree re the powerhouse. If Crofts or Hammond had lived up to expectation I'd start with one of them, drop Orlandi to the bench and push Vicente to the left. They haven't though and so I'd rather have a superstar start for us. 2ndly, if you take a look at 2 of the top 3 in the Premiership, neither of them had even 1 defensive midfielder on the pitch in their last game, it's all about going forward and they certainly haven't done too badlyusing this tactic. I am of course not suggesting GP follows with Fergie or Benitez, I do think though that Liam is enough with what we currently have available. We are getting there :) SMF20
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6:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I have a question for anyone that wants to answer it and the question is, would you rather have cautious lineups that might take us to the playoffs or, have attacking lineups that might leave us vunerable in defense.

We all know that the trick is to get a balance of attacking prowess and still be able to defend in numbers if we need to.

We have seen many draws over the last few months, mosltly brought about due to lack of finishing and not because we had a cautious approach to the game. The chances have been created we have simply not taken them.
More fire power will not work if those providing the fire power fail to convert chances into goals.

We could play with two front men, two attacking midfield players and two defensive midfielders, we could do that but if we do then those selected must score goals, and that has not been happening on a regular basis.

It might be that our forwards are not good enough, maybe CMS, Buckley and others are not up to the task and if that is the case then Poyet and Bloom need to act.

I happen to think that we have enough talent within the squad but those with the talent are not delivering in a consistent way.
Ulloa is coming in and let's hope he helps but others must also up their game to meet the extra options that he will offer. I have often stated that we should bring in two new strikers, cover for Ulloa yes, he is a one off option in our squad, but also because I am not sure that our strikers are up to it.
Quote "would you rather have cautious lineups that might take us to the playoffs or have attacking lineups that might leave us vulnerable in defence" ?
Bit of a loaded question really VegasSeagull the obvious answer being the former.
However if your alternative had been "or have attacking lineups that might end up with automatic promotion" (like Reading last season) then my answer would be the 'attacking' option.
There's an old saying that " he who risketh nothing maketh nothing" or indeed there is the SAS motto "he who dares wins"
I just feel we ought to go for it this year although I appreciate we might not reach the promised land.
I'd rather fail gloriously that fail by being over cautious. Naturally one doesn't want to go overboard so how does this lineup as an example seem :-
Kuszczak, Bruno/Calde, Greer, El-Arb/new Defender, Bridge,
Buckley, Bridcutt, new powerhouse Midfielder/Hammond, Orlandi, CMS/Vicente, Ulloa/CMS with Ankergren, Calde/El-Arb/new Defender, Dicker/Hammond, David, LuaLua, Hoskins/Barnes and one of Vicente, CMS or Ulloa on the bench. If Vicente was not fit either JFC or Dobbie might come into the squad.
Regarding your earlier post VegasSeagull re Vicente and Poyet's tactics you are right to point out that things have moved on since preseason. For one thing Crofts is not in the squad and another is that neither Orlandi or David were at the club at the time. Perhaps Poyet ignored that small significant point ie that one tactical approach might suit one bunch of players and one set of playing conditions (Summer) but not others.
Our chances of getting at least into the playoffs will most probably depend in my view on whether Poyet can acquire two additional players. Specifically another defender such as van Dijk and a central midfielder who to quote you Vegas 'can drive the midfield' and link with Bridcutt. It's now only 8 days to go before the window closes.
Finally Saturday should be a good game. I just hope that the FA have pulled their finger out regarding Ulloa's International clearance since I am looking forward to seeing how he performs.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a question for anyone that wants to answer it and the question is, would you rather have cautious lineups that might take us to the playoffs or, have attacking lineups that might leave us vunerable in defense. We all know that the trick is to get a balance of attacking prowess and still be able to defend in numbers if we need to. We have seen many draws over the last few months, mosltly brought about due to lack of finishing and not because we had a cautious approach to the game. The chances have been created we have simply not taken them. More fire power will not work if those providing the fire power fail to convert chances into goals. We could play with two front men, two attacking midfield players and two defensive midfielders, we could do that but if we do then those selected must score goals, and that has not been happening on a regular basis. It might be that our forwards are not good enough, maybe CMS, Buckley and others are not up to the task and if that is the case then Poyet and Bloom need to act. I happen to think that we have enough talent within the squad but those with the talent are not delivering in a consistent way. Ulloa is coming in and let's hope he helps but others must also up their game to meet the extra options that he will offer. I have often stated that we should bring in two new strikers, cover for Ulloa yes, he is a one off option in our squad, but also because I am not sure that our strikers are up to it.[/p][/quote]Quote "would you rather have cautious lineups that might take us to the playoffs or have attacking lineups that might leave us vulnerable in defence" ? Bit of a loaded question really VegasSeagull the obvious answer being the former. However if your alternative had been "or have attacking lineups that might end up with automatic promotion" (like Reading last season) then my answer would be the 'attacking' option. There's an old saying that " he who risketh nothing maketh nothing" or indeed there is the SAS motto "he who dares wins" I just feel we ought to go for it this year although I appreciate we might not reach the promised land. I'd rather fail gloriously that fail by being over cautious. Naturally one doesn't want to go overboard so how does this lineup as an example seem :- Kuszczak, Bruno/Calde, Greer, El-Arb/new Defender, Bridge, Buckley, Bridcutt, new powerhouse Midfielder/Hammond, Orlandi, CMS/Vicente, Ulloa/CMS with Ankergren, Calde/El-Arb/new Defender, Dicker/Hammond, David, LuaLua, Hoskins/Barnes and one of Vicente, CMS or Ulloa on the bench. If Vicente was not fit either JFC or Dobbie might come into the squad. Regarding your earlier post VegasSeagull re Vicente and Poyet's tactics you are right to point out that things have moved on since preseason. For one thing Crofts is not in the squad and another is that neither Orlandi or David were at the club at the time. Perhaps Poyet ignored that small significant point ie that one tactical approach might suit one bunch of players and one set of playing conditions (Summer) but not others. Our chances of getting at least into the playoffs will most probably depend in my view on whether Poyet can acquire two additional players. Specifically another defender such as van Dijk and a central midfielder who to quote you Vegas 'can drive the midfield' and link with Bridcutt. It's now only 8 days to go before the window closes. Finally Saturday should be a good game. I just hope that the FA have pulled their finger out regarding Ulloa's International clearance since I am looking forward to seeing how he performs. ballantrrae
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6:45pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

I think the team that started and finished against NUFC was alright, Lopez at the back with Barnes ahead of him on the wing. It seemed a very well balanced.

With Vicente back in the frame and Ulloa, there will be tough choices to make. In fact I couldn't begin to think what the best line up would be, this is something Gus has got to work out.

It's as much about trial and error than anything else and what you gain with one thing you lose with another.

KLL worked well with Vicente last year, I wouldn't mind seeing him start with Vicente and Hoskins or Ulloa, but that would mean dropping Orlandi and CMS.
I think the team that started and finished against NUFC was alright, Lopez at the back with Barnes ahead of him on the wing. It seemed a very well balanced. With Vicente back in the frame and Ulloa, there will be tough choices to make. In fact I couldn't begin to think what the best line up would be, this is something Gus has got to work out. It's as much about trial and error than anything else and what you gain with one thing you lose with another. KLL worked well with Vicente last year, I wouldn't mind seeing him start with Vicente and Hoskins or Ulloa, but that would mean dropping Orlandi and CMS. Hovite
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7:39pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Vicente_1 says...

On what planet is one up top defensive? Barcelona, spain and chelsea last year 442 is a system good for a team of hard workers that put two banks of 4 behind the ball but limits the attacking ability of our very good wing backs! 451 means we try to dominate the possession and pin them into there half, sometimes it doesnt work but away to a good team like Blackburn is not a place to try and go gung ho! At the moment i would say we are where we should be considering our players abilities and budget. We may sneak play offs yes but promotion is not won away to blackburn its won at home against the teams below us which if we could take our numerous chances week in week out wed do! CMS is not good enough maybe Ulloa is who knows. Positive is having a quality player like vicente back and fit thats better than any 5 million player we could have signed! How anyone can be unhappy with where we are is beyond me we are a few clinical finises from play offs and automatics arent even a pipedream if can get on a roll! Id take 7th and keeping all our players though if you offered it to me next august!
On what planet is one up top defensive? Barcelona, spain and chelsea last year 442 is a system good for a team of hard workers that put two banks of 4 behind the ball but limits the attacking ability of our very good wing backs! 451 means we try to dominate the possession and pin them into there half, sometimes it doesnt work but away to a good team like Blackburn is not a place to try and go gung ho! At the moment i would say we are where we should be considering our players abilities and budget. We may sneak play offs yes but promotion is not won away to blackburn its won at home against the teams below us which if we could take our numerous chances week in week out wed do! CMS is not good enough maybe Ulloa is who knows. Positive is having a quality player like vicente back and fit thats better than any 5 million player we could have signed! How anyone can be unhappy with where we are is beyond me we are a few clinical finises from play offs and automatics arent even a pipedream if can get on a roll! Id take 7th and keeping all our players though if you offered it to me next august! Vicente_1
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7:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

pablobrowno says...

bruce beckett wrote:
I would like to see 4-3-3 with Buckley, CMS and Ulloa given a chance to play together. Yes, that will probably leave us more exposed at the back, but what's the point of signing attacking players if you then leave them on the subs' bench. I think the problem with this is that you then need two defensive midfielders (Bridcutt + A.N. Other) as Gus seems more concerned about preventing goals than scoring them. Was hoping Crofts and Hammond would make a much bigger impact on their return but it's clear that we're still lacking a quality attacking midfielder, along with an imposing centre back. The jigsaw never seems complete but such is football. I really hope we go for it in the last 18 games as how often will the three clubs relegated from the PL (Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves) and the three promoted clubs from Div One (Charlton, Huddersfield and Sheff Weds) not feature in the promotion race?
Your last point is a very good one Bruce, Poyet was right a few weeks ago when he said that we may not realise just how good our opportunity is this year. We should have destroyed Blackburn last night but after a reasonable start we just seemed to relax and expect to win with no effort. As for playing Vicente up front, we had no pace and no edge. Such a shame.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: I would like to see 4-3-3 with Buckley, CMS and Ulloa given a chance to play together. Yes, that will probably leave us more exposed at the back, but what's the point of signing attacking players if you then leave them on the subs' bench. I think the problem with this is that you then need two defensive midfielders (Bridcutt + A.N. Other) as Gus seems more concerned about preventing goals than scoring them. Was hoping Crofts and Hammond would make a much bigger impact on their return but it's clear that we're still lacking a quality attacking midfielder, along with an imposing centre back. The jigsaw never seems complete but such is football. I really hope we go for it in the last 18 games as how often will the three clubs relegated from the PL (Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves) and the three promoted clubs from Div One (Charlton, Huddersfield and Sheff Weds) not feature in the promotion race?[/p][/quote]Your last point is a very good one Bruce, Poyet was right a few weeks ago when he said that we may not realise just how good our opportunity is this year. We should have destroyed Blackburn last night but after a reasonable start we just seemed to relax and expect to win with no effort. As for playing Vicente up front, we had no pace and no edge. Such a shame. pablobrowno
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8:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae I read your post and it makes sense but to be honest so do many other posts that are different to yours.

It has been suggested that some of my comments have no foundation because I don't get to see the team play and I get that thinking.
I tend to try and form my opinions based on what posted by attending fans and all the written reports from may sources. With such a limited data base it is almost impossible for me to voice a valid opinion, but I do rely a lot on stats so that helps a little.

Many on here do get to see the team play on a regular basis and to my mind, they have no better idea than I do as to what Gus should do.
I don't say that in a nasty way as I think it highlights the promblems Gus has.

The ups and downs of our team's results seem to mirror the up and downs of the division. With the exception of Cardiff none at the top end seem to be able to put a string of wins together, just as we can't.


When you look at the teams that have occupied the top six places over the last three months only Cardiff seem settled in their table position the rest are like our team, they blow hot and cold.

As you know I have a strong belief that we need a second Ulloa, a one off is never a good idea, and he is a one off in our squad. The power house midfield player and a center back are also on my wish list. Today I have no idea if I am right or wrong, I just don't know anymore.

If Gus is to remain single minded about how he wants th team to play, and I can go with that, then he needs to also settle on his top starting line up. Right now he is like a juggler trying to keep too many balls in the air.
If we have a game plan that should win at home stick with it for 90 minutes at home or away. If it doesn't work then ok but at least we will have gone for it. One game plan, 18 players to impliment it and that's it. I can understand a manager not knowing his best line up when maybe 8 or 9 matches into the season but, when you reach over half way it's about time you did know.

I still believe in Gus but to be honest, I am not sure if he has enough self belief. The man is starting to second guess his own plan, the line up against Blackburn shows that to a degree. I liked the idea of something new, but that's me, but if his game plan is rigid, and it appears to be so, then why are we trying different systems this late in the season.
I hope the up coming game against Arsenal didn't play any part in his thinking yesterday.
Ballantrrae I read your post and it makes sense but to be honest so do many other posts that are different to yours. It has been suggested that some of my comments have no foundation because I don't get to see the team play and I get that thinking. I tend to try and form my opinions based on what posted by attending fans and all the written reports from may sources. With such a limited data base it is almost impossible for me to voice a valid opinion, but I do rely a lot on stats so that helps a little. Many on here do get to see the team play on a regular basis and to my mind, they have no better idea than I do as to what Gus should do. I don't say that in a nasty way as I think it highlights the promblems Gus has. The ups and downs of our team's results seem to mirror the up and downs of the division. With the exception of Cardiff none at the top end seem to be able to put a string of wins together, just as we can't. When you look at the teams that have occupied the top six places over the last three months only Cardiff seem settled in their table position the rest are like our team, they blow hot and cold. As you know I have a strong belief that we need a second Ulloa, a one off is never a good idea, and he is a one off in our squad. The power house midfield player and a center back are also on my wish list. Today I have no idea if I am right or wrong, I just don't know anymore. If Gus is to remain single minded about how he wants th team to play, and I can go with that, then he needs to also settle on his top starting line up. Right now he is like a juggler trying to keep too many balls in the air. If we have a game plan that should win at home stick with it for 90 minutes at home or away. If it doesn't work then ok but at least we will have gone for it. One game plan, 18 players to impliment it and that's it. I can understand a manager not knowing his best line up when maybe 8 or 9 matches into the season but, when you reach over half way it's about time you did know. I still believe in Gus but to be honest, I am not sure if he has enough self belief. The man is starting to second guess his own plan, the line up against Blackburn shows that to a degree. I liked the idea of something new, but that's me, but if his game plan is rigid, and it appears to be so, then why are we trying different systems this late in the season. I hope the up coming game against Arsenal didn't play any part in his thinking yesterday. VegasSeagull
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8:56pm Wed 23 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

It has been argued that Gus is more concerned about preventing goals than scoring goals. I would argue that scoring goals is more important than preventing goals. We could concede less goals than anyone else, but it would not get us promotion. Promotion goes to teams scoring the most.
From last season, goal difference for the following successful teams were as follows:
Man City +64
Man Utd +56
Reading + 28
Saints+39
West Ham+33
Charlton +46
Shef Wed +33
Swindon +43.
This season
Man U +27
Man City +26
Cardiff +20
Leicester +26
Tranmere +20
Port Vale +26

We currently have +10, which is why we are 8th.
Scoring goals is more important than preventing them and furthermore, it's more entertaining. Anyway, I'd rather win 5 v 4 than 1 v 0. Crowds go to see goals and be entertained, so lets go at them and pick a team with skill and pace up front.
It has been argued that Gus is more concerned about preventing goals than scoring goals. I would argue that scoring goals is more important than preventing goals. We could concede less goals than anyone else, but it would not get us promotion. Promotion goes to teams scoring the most. From last season, goal difference for the following successful teams were as follows: Man City +64 Man Utd +56 Reading + 28 Saints+39 West Ham+33 Charlton +46 Shef Wed +33 Swindon +43. This season Man U +27 Man City +26 Cardiff +20 Leicester +26 Tranmere +20 Port Vale +26 We currently have +10, which is why we are 8th. Scoring goals is more important than preventing them and furthermore, it's more entertaining. Anyway, I'd rather win 5 v 4 than 1 v 0. Crowds go to see goals and be entertained, so lets go at them and pick a team with skill and pace up front. fratsomrover
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9:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

All very interesting posts today and great to hear all different views honoured!

Personally, I don't believe that the 'cautious way' would necessary lead to the play offs. I may be old fashioned and have been watching Albion for nigh on 56 years and I've always believed that the best form of defence is attack - fortune favours the brave and many other examples of this thinking.

I took my 11 year old grandson to the last games and this innocent young guy made an interesting comment. After half an hour he said 'Grandad, why do we seem to spend most of the time in our own half?' Out of the mouths of babes and all that stuff - I'm certainly not advocating a return to our old third and fourth division days of lumping it forward - but I would like to see us keep control just the same AND get the ball forward faster - it IS possible to do both as Swansea show with no mega money players either.

I think we will have to start changing things because there definitely is a sense of frustration creeping in with large sections of the crowd these days.

I'd love to see us throw caution to the wind and have a real go at Arsenal. We've got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Roll on Saturday.
All very interesting posts today and great to hear all different views honoured! Personally, I don't believe that the 'cautious way' would necessary lead to the play offs. I may be old fashioned and have been watching Albion for nigh on 56 years and I've always believed that the best form of defence is attack - fortune favours the brave and many other examples of this thinking. I took my 11 year old grandson to the last games and this innocent young guy made an interesting comment. After half an hour he said 'Grandad, why do we seem to spend most of the time in our own half?' Out of the mouths of babes and all that stuff - I'm certainly not advocating a return to our old third and fourth division days of lumping it forward - but I would like to see us keep control just the same AND get the ball forward faster - it IS possible to do both as Swansea show with no mega money players either. I think we will have to start changing things because there definitely is a sense of frustration creeping in with large sections of the crowd these days. I'd love to see us throw caution to the wind and have a real go at Arsenal. We've got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Roll on Saturday. WisdomSpeaks
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9:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Far gull says...

fratsomrover wrote:
It has been argued that Gus is more concerned about preventing goals than scoring goals. I would argue that scoring goals is more important than preventing goals. We could concede less goals than anyone else, but it would not get us promotion. Promotion goes to teams scoring the most.
From last season, goal difference for the following successful teams were as follows:
Man City +64
Man Utd +56
Reading + 28
Saints+39
West Ham+33
Charlton +46
Shef Wed +33
Swindon +43.
This season
Man U +27
Man City +26
Cardiff +20
Leicester +26
Tranmere +20
Port Vale +26

We currently have +10, which is why we are 8th.
Scoring goals is more important than preventing them and furthermore, it's more entertaining. Anyway, I'd rather win 5 v 4 than 1 v 0. Crowds go to see goals and be entertained, so lets go at them and pick a team with skill and pace up front.
I think the problem highlighted here today is none of us are really sure of our best team ,gus included ,almost an embarrassment of attacking midfielders and now different forward options. All can be argued for inclusion ,exclusion and bench. In gus we must trust and hope he Quickly comes up with the right winning formula!
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: It has been argued that Gus is more concerned about preventing goals than scoring goals. I would argue that scoring goals is more important than preventing goals. We could concede less goals than anyone else, but it would not get us promotion. Promotion goes to teams scoring the most. From last season, goal difference for the following successful teams were as follows: Man City +64 Man Utd +56 Reading + 28 Saints+39 West Ham+33 Charlton +46 Shef Wed +33 Swindon +43. This season Man U +27 Man City +26 Cardiff +20 Leicester +26 Tranmere +20 Port Vale +26 We currently have +10, which is why we are 8th. Scoring goals is more important than preventing them and furthermore, it's more entertaining. Anyway, I'd rather win 5 v 4 than 1 v 0. Crowds go to see goals and be entertained, so lets go at them and pick a team with skill and pace up front.[/p][/quote]I think the problem highlighted here today is none of us are really sure of our best team ,gus included ,almost an embarrassment of attacking midfielders and now different forward options. All can be argued for inclusion ,exclusion and bench. In gus we must trust and hope he Quickly comes up with the right winning formula! Far gull
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9:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Curbishleyrange says...

Mike Simpson on Twitter re Arsenal v West Ham latest #bbcfootball:'The cynic in me says that this scoreline means Arsenal won't turn up for their next game'.

Lets hope so Mike
Mike Simpson on Twitter re Arsenal v West Ham latest #bbcfootball:'The cynic in me says that this scoreline means Arsenal won't turn up for their next game'. Lets hope so Mike Curbishleyrange
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9:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Far gull says...

Far gull wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
It has been argued that Gus is more concerned about preventing goals than scoring goals. I would argue that scoring goals is more important than preventing goals. We could concede less goals than anyone else, but it would not get us promotion. Promotion goes to teams scoring the most.
From last season, goal difference for the following successful teams were as follows:
Man City +64
Man Utd +56
Reading + 28
Saints+39
West Ham+33
Charlton +46
Shef Wed +33
Swindon +43.
This season
Man U +27
Man City +26
Cardiff +20
Leicester +26
Tranmere +20
Port Vale +26

We currently have +10, which is why we are 8th.
Scoring goals is more important than preventing them and furthermore, it's more entertaining. Anyway, I'd rather win 5 v 4 than 1 v 0. Crowds go to see goals and be entertained, so lets go at them and pick a team with skill and pace up front.
I think the problem highlighted here today is none of us are really sure of our best team ,gus included ,almost an embarrassment of attacking midfielders and now different forward options. All can be argued for inclusion ,exclusion and bench. In gus we must trust and hope he Quickly comes up with the right winning formula!
Let's hope Arsenal have over performed tonight .Latest 5-1 .
Hope Adam gets close enough to theo to even tap him on the head,think he may need a long broom.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: It has been argued that Gus is more concerned about preventing goals than scoring goals. I would argue that scoring goals is more important than preventing goals. We could concede less goals than anyone else, but it would not get us promotion. Promotion goes to teams scoring the most. From last season, goal difference for the following successful teams were as follows: Man City +64 Man Utd +56 Reading + 28 Saints+39 West Ham+33 Charlton +46 Shef Wed +33 Swindon +43. This season Man U +27 Man City +26 Cardiff +20 Leicester +26 Tranmere +20 Port Vale +26 We currently have +10, which is why we are 8th. Scoring goals is more important than preventing them and furthermore, it's more entertaining. Anyway, I'd rather win 5 v 4 than 1 v 0. Crowds go to see goals and be entertained, so lets go at them and pick a team with skill and pace up front.[/p][/quote]I think the problem highlighted here today is none of us are really sure of our best team ,gus included ,almost an embarrassment of attacking midfielders and now different forward options. All can be argued for inclusion ,exclusion and bench. In gus we must trust and hope he Quickly comes up with the right winning formula![/p][/quote]Let's hope Arsenal have over performed tonight .Latest 5-1 . Hope Adam gets close enough to theo to even tap him on the head,think he may need a long broom. Far gull
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10:50pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

I wish someone would knock some sense into Adam El Abd. Getting very tired of his antics in every game. Is it possible he is instructed to rough up his opponent?

It is a very common strategy in South America after all. Sooner or later he'll get himself sent off.

I hope him giving away the penalty which nearly cost us all three points against Blackburn will be a warning.
I wish someone would knock some sense into Adam El Abd. Getting very tired of his antics in every game. Is it possible he is instructed to rough up his opponent? It is a very common strategy in South America after all. Sooner or later he'll get himself sent off. I hope him giving away the penalty which nearly cost us all three points against Blackburn will be a warning. WisdomSpeaks
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3:45am Thu 24 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Thinking only of those that have logged enough minutes playing time to be properly evaluated, what is our best starting eleven and what seven subs would you choose. Now I am not asking for options, just a straight eleven names plus subs.

There was a time when I thought I knew what mine would be but now, well to be honest I haven't a clue.

Ulloa has zero minutes so he is out of the names available. I am not sure that Hoskins has enough minutes but some of you might, likewise Dobbie, but I doubt he would make the team sheet anyway.

I am of the opinion that we must put out our strongest team against Arsenal, the cash reward for winning is big and the fans deserve to see the best we have.

As I intend to make a copy of your selections it will be interesting to see how many of you agree and how many of you get close to the team Poyet selects, if indeed Poyet puts out our strongest team.
As I am 8 hours behind you there is plenty of time for you to figure it out.

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Thinking only of those that have logged enough minutes playing time to be properly evaluated, what is our best starting eleven and what seven subs would you choose. Now I am not asking for options, just a straight eleven names plus subs. There was a time when I thought I knew what mine would be but now, well to be honest I haven't a clue. Ulloa has zero minutes so he is out of the names available. I am not sure that Hoskins has enough minutes but some of you might, likewise Dobbie, but I doubt he would make the team sheet anyway. I am of the opinion that we must put out our strongest team against Arsenal, the cash reward for winning is big and the fans deserve to see the best we have. As I intend to make a copy of your selections it will be interesting to see how many of you agree and how many of you get close to the team Poyet selects, if indeed Poyet puts out our strongest team. As I am 8 hours behind you there is plenty of time for you to figure it out. ., VegasSeagull
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7:32am Thu 24 Jan 13

Baldseagull says...

Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession.
When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders.
Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more.
A bit of a paradox.
Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.
Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession. When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders. Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more. A bit of a paradox. Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved. Baldseagull
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8:54am Thu 24 Jan 13

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

I'm not sure why I should be feeling nervous about Saturday!!!!!
I'm not sure why I should be feeling nervous about Saturday!!!!! Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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9:43am Thu 24 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession.
When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders.
Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more.
A bit of a paradox.
Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.
Got it in one Baldseagull
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession. When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders. Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more. A bit of a paradox. Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.[/p][/quote]Got it in one Baldseagull dave from bexill
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9:53am Thu 24 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession.
When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders.
Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more.
A bit of a paradox.
Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.
I'm a supporter of attacking line-ups but not in the gung-ho way you refer to. I believe you should play your possession football in your opponents half, not in your own. Rolling the ball backwards and forwards in your own half just gives the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball. If you do it in their half, you have more players in attacking positions and therefore increase your options of finding a team-mate in a striking position. I therefore would advocate choosing a couple of "flair" players who are capable of beating an opponent with a pass or a dribble aka Vicente, Buckley, Lua Lua
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession. When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders. Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more. A bit of a paradox. Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.[/p][/quote]I'm a supporter of attacking line-ups but not in the gung-ho way you refer to. I believe you should play your possession football in your opponents half, not in your own. Rolling the ball backwards and forwards in your own half just gives the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball. If you do it in their half, you have more players in attacking positions and therefore increase your options of finding a team-mate in a striking position. I therefore would advocate choosing a couple of "flair" players who are capable of beating an opponent with a pass or a dribble aka Vicente, Buckley, Lua Lua fratsomrover
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10:19am Thu 24 Jan 13

Hovite says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession.
When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders.
Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more.
A bit of a paradox.
Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.
I'm a supporter of attacking line-ups but not in the gung-ho way you refer to. I believe you should play your possession football in your opponents half, not in your own. Rolling the ball backwards and forwards in your own half just gives the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball. If you do it in their half, you have more players in attacking positions and therefore increase your options of finding a team-mate in a striking position. I therefore would advocate choosing a couple of "flair" players who are capable of beating an opponent with a pass or a dribble aka Vicente, Buckley, Lua Lua
All we have to do is carry on like we are but get better and quicker at it.

I haven't got a problem whether it's Vicente, Buckley and Lua Lua, but equally I haven't got a problem with Orlandi, Lopez and Barnes.

It shouldn't matter what the combo is as long as there is a balance in the side.

Have to give Kazim Richards a lot of credit, he's a big lad and when we play against players like this, we cannot throw caution to the wind.

Our defense is solid as long as the team supports them. Vicente and KLL are not best known for defensive duties.

Greer and El Abd do a fantastice job and I cannot fault them, however if we had top top quality international defenders, we wouldn't have to protect them so much.

Gus has to always consider this when he picks the side so it's always a compromise at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession. When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders. Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more. A bit of a paradox. Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.[/p][/quote]I'm a supporter of attacking line-ups but not in the gung-ho way you refer to. I believe you should play your possession football in your opponents half, not in your own. Rolling the ball backwards and forwards in your own half just gives the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball. If you do it in their half, you have more players in attacking positions and therefore increase your options of finding a team-mate in a striking position. I therefore would advocate choosing a couple of "flair" players who are capable of beating an opponent with a pass or a dribble aka Vicente, Buckley, Lua Lua[/p][/quote]All we have to do is carry on like we are but get better and quicker at it. I haven't got a problem whether it's Vicente, Buckley and Lua Lua, but equally I haven't got a problem with Orlandi, Lopez and Barnes. It shouldn't matter what the combo is as long as there is a balance in the side. Have to give Kazim Richards a lot of credit, he's a big lad and when we play against players like this, we cannot throw caution to the wind. Our defense is solid as long as the team supports them. Vicente and KLL are not best known for defensive duties. Greer and El Abd do a fantastice job and I cannot fault them, however if we had top top quality international defenders, we wouldn't have to protect them so much. Gus has to always consider this when he picks the side so it's always a compromise at the moment. Hovite
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11:07am Thu 24 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

Hovite wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
Baldseagull wrote: Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession. When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders. Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more. A bit of a paradox. Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.
I'm a supporter of attacking line-ups but not in the gung-ho way you refer to. I believe you should play your possession football in your opponents half, not in your own. Rolling the ball backwards and forwards in your own half just gives the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball. If you do it in their half, you have more players in attacking positions and therefore increase your options of finding a team-mate in a striking position. I therefore would advocate choosing a couple of "flair" players who are capable of beating an opponent with a pass or a dribble aka Vicente, Buckley, Lua Lua
All we have to do is carry on like we are but get better and quicker at it. I haven't got a problem whether it's Vicente, Buckley and Lua Lua, but equally I haven't got a problem with Orlandi, Lopez and Barnes. It shouldn't matter what the combo is as long as there is a balance in the side. Have to give Kazim Richards a lot of credit, he's a big lad and when we play against players like this, we cannot throw caution to the wind. Our defense is solid as long as the team supports them. Vicente and KLL are not best known for defensive duties. Greer and El Abd do a fantastice job and I cannot fault them, however if we had top top quality international defenders, we wouldn't have to protect them so much. Gus has to always consider this when he picks the side so it's always a compromise at the moment.
Totally agree, Hovite.

With Vicente in the side, we are bound to carve out more chances if we just keep doing what we are doing. Keeping the ball protects our defence. Going anymore attacking would expose us. It's ok people saying we would be ok with the back 4 and Bridcutt but our full-backs are quite often up with the forwards which would leave Bridcutt and the 2 CBs. We are fortunate at the moment that we have Bridcutt. If we were to lose him, I think we'd possibly have to line up a bit more conservatively.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: Having read the comments on atacking or defensive line ups I would like to add that the attacking team is the one with possession. When we have possession we have 10 attackers and when we don't we have ten defenders. Going more gung ho in attack will usually result in less possession and we therefore have to defend more. A bit of a paradox. Everyone wants to see more goals but it has not been a lack of opportunities to score that has been our problem, mostly we have been not hitting the target when we should, a striker problem which is hopefully soon to be resolved.[/p][/quote]I'm a supporter of attacking line-ups but not in the gung-ho way you refer to. I believe you should play your possession football in your opponents half, not in your own. Rolling the ball backwards and forwards in your own half just gives the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball. If you do it in their half, you have more players in attacking positions and therefore increase your options of finding a team-mate in a striking position. I therefore would advocate choosing a couple of "flair" players who are capable of beating an opponent with a pass or a dribble aka Vicente, Buckley, Lua Lua[/p][/quote]All we have to do is carry on like we are but get better and quicker at it. I haven't got a problem whether it's Vicente, Buckley and Lua Lua, but equally I haven't got a problem with Orlandi, Lopez and Barnes. It shouldn't matter what the combo is as long as there is a balance in the side. Have to give Kazim Richards a lot of credit, he's a big lad and when we play against players like this, we cannot throw caution to the wind. Our defense is solid as long as the team supports them. Vicente and KLL are not best known for defensive duties. Greer and El Abd do a fantastice job and I cannot fault them, however if we had top top quality international defenders, we wouldn't have to protect them so much. Gus has to always consider this when he picks the side so it's always a compromise at the moment.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Hovite. With Vicente in the side, we are bound to carve out more chances if we just keep doing what we are doing. Keeping the ball protects our defence. Going anymore attacking would expose us. It's ok people saying we would be ok with the back 4 and Bridcutt but our full-backs are quite often up with the forwards which would leave Bridcutt and the 2 CBs. We are fortunate at the moment that we have Bridcutt. If we were to lose him, I think we'd possibly have to line up a bit more conservatively. WestStander17
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11:53am Thu 24 Jan 13

GosportGull says...

I simply feel that Gus should play his best players in their best positions .. I feel he wants to tinker too much and try new things instead of keeping it simple.. I think David played really well at r/b ..he made some good attacking runs from that position so why change ?
We have plenty of midfielders so why change ?
I also feel that Hoskins should be playing instead of Barnes ... Barnes "may" cover back..but we have a good defence and a sweeper in Bridcutt , so why do we need even more defensive cover ? I want us to be attacking more ! How many break away goals have we scored this season .. i can't remember any ?

Gus should be brave and lets get the midfield to join attack quickly .. play with a winger , play with two attackers ..goals will flow ! If the midfield get tired from all the running then we can bring on Lua Lua half way through second half and kill off teams with his pace when their defence is tired ... We need to play to OUR strengths and not worry all the time about how the oppostion play... GG
I simply feel that Gus should play his best players in their best positions .. I feel he wants to tinker too much and try new things instead of keeping it simple.. I think David played really well at r/b ..he made some good attacking runs from that position so why change ? We have plenty of midfielders so why change ? I also feel that Hoskins should be playing instead of Barnes ... Barnes "may" cover back..but we have a good defence and a sweeper in Bridcutt , so why do we need even more defensive cover ? I want us to be attacking more ! How many break away goals have we scored this season .. i can't remember any ? Gus should be brave and lets get the midfield to join attack quickly .. play with a winger , play with two attackers ..goals will flow ! If the midfield get tired from all the running then we can bring on Lua Lua half way through second half and kill off teams with his pace when their defence is tired ... We need to play to OUR strengths and not worry all the time about how the oppostion play... GG GosportGull
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1:52pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Hovite says...

This is the problem GG, Lopez's best games so far have been at RB, however he was well protected by Barnes who had a very good game also.

Would Lopez and Buckley or Lopez Hoskins work as well as Lopez and Barnes, probably not because Buckley and Hoskins wouldn't cover Lopez in the same way?

Barnes is being coached to fill in anywhere, left, right, middle, back, front and upside down. That's why he gets the games.
This is the problem GG, Lopez's best games so far have been at RB, however he was well protected by Barnes who had a very good game also. Would Lopez and Buckley or Lopez Hoskins work as well as Lopez and Barnes, probably not because Buckley and Hoskins wouldn't cover Lopez in the same way? Barnes is being coached to fill in anywhere, left, right, middle, back, front and upside down. That's why he gets the games. Hovite
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2:00pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Captain Haddock says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
my humble opinion is...

Gus likes to control games. Some judge this as cautious but his philosophy of denying the opposition the ball is hardly rocket science and he is not about to change. Recent variations have been on a theme and however you like to string out your 4-5-1/ 4-3-3, i'd be surprised to see the 'traditional' 4-4-2. Mind you i was very surprised at the employment of three at the back against Millwall; so you never know (not that it lasted beyond the half hour mark).
The ability to flood the midfield is at the heart of any possession game. The nuances of taking this safely into attack are at the centre of the debate and as to how many attacking players you have in midfield... That might be the trick.
We play well and lose and draw, we play badly and scrape a draw or a win. We all want to play well and win.
But as TK says: 'Football is crazy'
Spot on, as usual, Chap.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: my humble opinion is... Gus likes to control games. Some judge this as cautious but his philosophy of denying the opposition the ball is hardly rocket science and he is not about to change. Recent variations have been on a theme and however you like to string out your 4-5-1/ 4-3-3, i'd be surprised to see the 'traditional' 4-4-2. Mind you i was very surprised at the employment of three at the back against Millwall; so you never know (not that it lasted beyond the half hour mark). The ability to flood the midfield is at the heart of any possession game. The nuances of taking this safely into attack are at the centre of the debate and as to how many attacking players you have in midfield... That might be the trick. We play well and lose and draw, we play badly and scrape a draw or a win. We all want to play well and win. But as TK says: 'Football is crazy'[/p][/quote]Spot on, as usual, Chap. Captain Haddock
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