Seagulls ponder third bid for Dutch defender (From The Argus)

mark by the sea wrote:
This looks like a good player, none of us had ever heard of him, other than I thought he was in chitty chitty bang bang, I have feeling cms will be on his way, Gus did say he wanted another centre half pre season, looks like we now will have to maybe pay over the odds with a defender needed so urgently, shef weds are very direct physical side, without a strong man at the back we will struggle to contain them in the form they are in.

pablobrowno wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
This looks like a good player, none of us had ever heard of him, other than I thought he was in chitty chitty bang bang, I have feeling cms will be on his way, Gus did say he wanted another centre half pre season, looks like we now will have to maybe pay over the odds with a defender needed so urgently, shef weds are very direct physical side, without a strong man at the back we will struggle to contain them in the form they are in.

What makes you think CMS is on his way mate? Other than the obvious, being that he just doesn't really seem to fit into our game. Do you think Poyet has to hold his hands up to a mistake on this one?

Gibseagull wrote:
Hoskins - "unless he wakes up and performs" - surely to be able to do this he needs a chance to prove himself?!

mikeygit wrote:
Difficult one--IMO Many factors, not least how much are we prepared to go up to, the euro is to the advantage of Gronigen--means he would cost more to us, also if we hold and wait we may not get anyone---only three days to go including today. If the player is as good as everyone says then it is obvious he wants to go to a club with ambition--BHA, does not want to stay with a club fighting relegation. BUT Gronigen hold the trump cards!! Anxious three days!!!

Gibseagull wrote:
I agree that he hasn't proved anything yet but I still think he has great potential but needs a run of several games in the team to show what he can do. I also agree that to start with he had an attitude problem but I think his experiences since joining the club have changed his attitude for the better.

Going back to the thread topic, van Dilk looks an excellent prospect whose value will accumulate so for me it's a no-brainer - if we've got the money put in a further bid.

russellsnr2 wrote:

mikeygit wrote: Difficult one--IMO Many factors, not least how much are we prepared to go up to, the euro is to the advantage of Gronigen--means he would cost more to us, also if we hold and wait we may not get anyone---only three days to go including today. If the player is as good as everyone says then it is obvious he wants to go to a club with ambition--BHA, does not want to stay with a club fighting relegation. BUT Gronigen hold the trump cards!! Anxious three days!!!

BUT Gronigen hold the trump cards!! But we have pro poker player in our ranks. If the player wants to come to Brighton then his club should respect or listen to his wishes if they block what he wants to do will he give 100% to them? If they go down then so will his price do they want to play that card? Holding the breath!!!!!!

cvs wrote:
Hoskins 2 goals and an assist in the DS game last night. Not a bad effort

str8outtaDC wrote:
Hoskins has had a chance this season and hasn't been effective, whether with CMS or on his own. Too lightweight. Is yet to prove himself at this level.

Dr Baldhead wrote:

str8outtaDC wrote:
Hoskins has had a chance this season and hasn't been effective, whether with CMS or on his own. Too lightweight. Is yet to prove himself at this level.

Game of opinions I know, but I think he's looked quite bright in the games he's played in this season. Yes he missed some chances v Forest but even then his positional awareness was far better than CMS. He's been clighted by injuries whilst here and I'd give him another year to really see if he can make it with Albion.

That said, in all honesty I think Gus will release him in the summer. Some team somewhere will get a free agent bargain.

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
I assume all those with knives in the back of Will Hoskins are the same who think Barnes is a Premier League striker without parallel in the Championship. An argument that won't go away. Sad.
As for CMS, isn't the straight swap with Becchio still on the cards...?

Hovite wrote:
Have to agree with JM on this, Hoskins is a quality player and with the limited moments he has had, he has nothing more to prove to me.

It does seem that as soon as we get a new player, some are ready to pick on another and cast them as failures.

Get a grip people, we have a good range of strikers now with different attributes. Any decent club has two good teams in the squad.

dave from bexill wrote:

Hovite wrote: Have to agree with JM on this, Hoskins is a quality player and with the limited moments he has had, he has nothing more to prove to me. It does seem that as soon as we get a new player, some are ready to pick on another and cast them as failures. Get a grip people, we have a good range of strikers now with different attributes. Any decent club has two good teams in the squad.

I agree with this sentiment , particularly about Hoskins. However Hovite, my suggestion above that a sensible bid for CMS might be acceptable to the club (and the player) is based entirely on who might be seen as able to raise sufficient funds to push through the purchase of Van Dijk, for a position where we need cover plus. I'm a fan of CMS who in my opinion has proved himself at the club and I'd be sorry to lose him. But, for instance,if it was a choice between CMS and Bridcutt going to raise money, for me it would have to be CMS.

mark by the sea wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
I assume all those with knives in the back of Will Hoskins are the same who think Barnes is a Premier League striker without parallel in the Championship. An argument that won't go away. Sad.
As for CMS, isn't the straight swap with Becchio still on the cards...?

Don't think anyone wants Hoskins to fail, but he has yet to put his ability to good use. Bechio will want big money in wages, I don't think we are going to play two up front,
Barnes does a job for the side, that's not to say he has weakness in his game, but his ability seems to be a support player in the side.
I don't think he will be given a contract in the summer either.

Yogi wrote:
MBTS, we have regularly agreed that CMS should have a striking partner, now we've signed Alloa Athletic, surely they should be allowed to play and gel together which would only benefit the team, eh.

Hope we get the Dutch guy.

Hovite wrote:
Have to agree with JM on this, Hoskins is a quality player and with the limited moments he has had, he has nothing more to prove to me.

It does seem that as soon as we get a new player, some are ready to pick on another and cast them as failures.

Get a grip people, we have a good range of strikers now with different attributes. Any decent club has two good teams in the squad.

WestStander17 wrote:
Was surprised and quite pleased to see us considering a third bid for Van Dijk. He must have truly impressed when we have watched him.

I think this really does come down to just how much we want to gamble on getting up this year. If we pay what could be around £2.5m for this fella but don't get up, we are going to need to some money to replace Bridcutt because, if we keep him in this window, I think he is sure to go in the summer if we are still in the Championship.

Now we have Ulloa and although I love CMS, I think he'd be the one we'd be able to sell and could afford to lose to raise some money for Van Dijk if we needed to. I'd rather lose CMS than Bridcutt (our other main selling asset). Ulloa is going to be the main man I think and we have Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes and others that could support him.

But, hopefully, we can get VVD without selling anyone!

Think it would raise the pressure on us to go up though as I don't think we could be much more ready on the field. The "Vieira-style" midfielder would possibly be the only piece missing.

ballantrrae wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:
Was surprised and quite pleased to see us considering a third bid for Van Dijk. He must have truly impressed when we have watched him.

I think this really does come down to just how much we want to gamble on getting up this year. If we pay what could be around £2.5m for this fella but don't get up, we are going to need to some money to replace Bridcutt because, if we keep him in this window, I think he is sure to go in the summer if we are still in the Championship.

Now we have Ulloa and although I love CMS, I think he'd be the one we'd be able to sell and could afford to lose to raise some money for Van Dijk if we needed to. I'd rather lose CMS than Bridcutt (our other main selling asset). Ulloa is going to be the main man I think and we have Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes and others that could support him.

But, hopefully, we can get VVD without selling anyone!

Think it would raise the pressure on us to go up though as I don't think we could be much more ready on the field. The "Vieira-style" midfielder would possibly be the only piece missing.

Good post WestStander17.
I only hope we don't bid too much for van Dijk assuming we make a third offer. The Euro 2.4 million we were reported as bidding yesterday was worth £2,040,000 at current exchange rates. So a bid of another Euro 200,000 would take the fee up to just over the £2.2 million mark. I don't think the Budget could stand anymore and most probably not even that amount especially if we wanted to pursue a Viera type midfielder as you suggest. It might make more sense to go after our second choice CB given the lack of time before the window closes. Option 2 might even mean a lower fee which could be prudent.
I hope Hoskins stays in the mix since he provides IMO that important support option with our strikers. Would we get a better player for the £500,000 we paid for him ? Furthermore if CMS were to leave (Norwich are I believe still looking for a striker) we would need Hoskins.

Weploughandmow wrote:
If we are serious about being promotion contenders this season we must buy not sell important players. Fine to let the likes of Harley and Sparrow go, but any club serious about the premiership doesn't sell players that are of premiership calibre. As regards the "Viera-like" midfielder - which, I agree, would add some much-needed steel in front of Bridcutt and much-needed support for the strikers and protection for the creative forces (i.e. Vicente) - I'm surprised that there hasn't been more speculation about Liam Trotter of Millwall. I think he'd fit the bill perfectly.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hoskins. IMHO, and I have said this before, you gain your place on the team sheet during training, if he is not showing enough on the training field then that is his problem and one only he can deal with. CMS. The club didn't buy Ulloa in order to sell CMS, Gus has been crystal clear on that point. Barnes. Leave on a free in the summer, anyone who thinks that needs a, check up from the neck up. Dijk. IMHO, there is only one way that deal goes thru. Ask the club what price they will accept for him and say yes, even if it is up to 4 million. It's time for, 'all in or fold.' Loan Deal. IMHO, I would like to see a midfield driver come to us for the rest of the season and a center back if we can't buy Dijk.

VegasSeagull wrote:
If we want Dijk as badly as it seems we do then slap 3 million on the table, promise a further sum if he helps us get promoted. We have to pay what they want if we really want him that bad. That might be 1.5 million more than a real valuation of him but that is peanuts when one thinks of what prem football brings in. As I said in my last post, all in or fold.

ballantrrae wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:
Was surprised and quite pleased to see us considering a third bid for Van Dijk. He must have truly impressed when we have watched him.

I think this really does come down to just how much we want to gamble on getting up this year. If we pay what could be around £2.5m for this fella but don't get up, we are going to need to some money to replace Bridcutt because, if we keep him in this window, I think he is sure to go in the summer if we are still in the Championship.

Now we have Ulloa and although I love CMS, I think he'd be the one we'd be able to sell and could afford to lose to raise some money for Van Dijk if we needed to. I'd rather lose CMS than Bridcutt (our other main selling asset). Ulloa is going to be the main man I think and we have Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes and others that could support him.

But, hopefully, we can get VVD without selling anyone!

Think it would raise the pressure on us to go up though as I don't think we could be much more ready on the field. The "Vieira-style" midfielder would possibly be the only piece missing.

Good post WestStander17.
I only hope we don't bid too much for van Dijk assuming we make a third offer. The Euro 2.4 million we were reported as bidding yesterday was worth £2,040,000 at current exchange rates. So a bid of another Euro 200,000 would take the fee up to just over the £2.2 million mark. I don't think the Budget could stand anymore and most probably not even that amount especially if we wanted to pursue a Viera type midfielder as you suggest. It might make more sense to go after our second choice CB given the lack of time before the window closes. Option 2 might even mean a lower fee which could be prudent.
I hope Hoskins stays in the mix since he provides IMO that important support option with our strikers. Would we get a better player for the £500,000 we paid for him ? Furthermore if CMS were to leave (Norwich are I believe still looking for a striker) we would need Hoskins.

wiseman of hove wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:
Was surprised and quite pleased to see us considering a third bid for Van Dijk. He must have truly impressed when we have watched him.

I think this really does come down to just how much we want to gamble on getting up this year. If we pay what could be around £2.5m for this fella but don't get up, we are going to need to some money to replace Bridcutt because, if we keep him in this window, I think he is sure to go in the summer if we are still in the Championship.

Now we have Ulloa and although I love CMS, I think he'd be the one we'd be able to sell and could afford to lose to raise some money for Van Dijk if we needed to. I'd rather lose CMS than Bridcutt (our other main selling asset). Ulloa is going to be the main man I think and we have Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes and others that could support him.

But, hopefully, we can get VVD without selling anyone!

Think it would raise the pressure on us to go up though as I don't think we could be much more ready on the field. The "Vieira-style" midfielder would possibly be the only piece missing.

Good post WestStander17.
I only hope we don't bid too much for van Dijk assuming we make a third offer. The Euro 2.4 million we were reported as bidding yesterday was worth £2,040,000 at current exchange rates. So a bid of another Euro 200,000 would take the fee up to just over the £2.2 million mark. I don't think the Budget could stand anymore and most probably not even that amount especially if we wanted to pursue a Viera type midfielder as you suggest. It might make more sense to go after our second choice CB given the lack of time before the window closes. Option 2 might even mean a lower fee which could be prudent.
I hope Hoskins stays in the mix since he provides IMO that important support option with our strikers. Would we get a better player for the £500,000 we paid for him ? Furthermore if CMS were to leave (Norwich are I believe still looking for a striker) we would need Hoskins.

Just a thought.......do we have a serious second choice centre back lined up ? The manager clearly wants our dutch target and I cannot see him letting him slip though the net. A bid of £2.5 million?
As for Hoskins, a steal at £500,000 if that was the figure paid. Given a chance, he will prove it.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bruce I think if we did sell CMS we would instantly buy a replacement.
Hoskins and Dobbie have not shown Gus that they can step in and have the right effect, and of course this is all, IMHO.

If either Hoskins or Dobbie were showing that they were up to it I am sure one or both would have been given their chance by now. When CMS was out injured and missed a few games no one stood out as a replacement.

This summer might well see a few, 'names,' going even without promotion and Hoskins could be one, but I hope he stays and progresses.

Gus has recently told us that Dobbie's future is with us but I am still at a loss to understand his role within the squad.

Using my businessman's head I think that Gus is doing no more than keeping all his options open regarding our squad. I don't see him wanting to get rid of anyone other than maybe one or two fringe players, the Vincelot type.

No matter what type opf business you are in assets have a rock bottom price and a maximum, deals have to be struck between those two figures. I would guess that an offer of 200k would not get Hoskins but 400k would, median price 300k.
IMHO Dobbie will go down as an operating loss as I see him going in the summer at a knock down price, no matter what Gus says today.

mark by the sea wrote:

pablobrowno wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
This looks like a good player, none of us had ever heard of him, other than I thought he was in chitty chitty bang bang, I have feeling cms will be on his way, Gus did say he wanted another centre half pre season, looks like we now will have to maybe pay over the odds with a defender needed so urgently, shef weds are very direct physical side, without a strong man at the back we will struggle to contain them in the form they are in.

What makes you think CMS is on his way mate? Other than the obvious, being that he just doesn't really seem to fit into our game. Do you think Poyet has to hold his hands up to a mistake on this one?

Well the squad is now getting beyond reasonable interms of numbers, I don't think Hoskins will be kept in the summer unless he wakes up and performs.. I don't think Gus will play two up front.. So we have a 17 k a week player on the bench? If we got offer in region of 2 million I would imagine we would sell?

rolivan wrote:
I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

pablobrowno wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
This looks like a good player, none of us had ever heard of him, other than I thought he was in chitty chitty bang bang, I have feeling cms will be on his way, Gus did say he wanted another centre half pre season, looks like we now will have to maybe pay over the odds with a defender needed so urgently, shef weds are very direct physical side, without a strong man at the back we will struggle to contain them in the form they are in.

What makes you think CMS is on his way mate? Other than the obvious, being that he just doesn't really seem to fit into our game. Do you think Poyet has to hold his hands up to a mistake on this one?

Well the squad is now getting beyond reasonable interms of numbers, I don't think Hoskins will be kept in the summer unless he wakes up and performs.. I don't think Gus will play two up front.. So we have a 17 k a week player on the bench? If we got offer in region of 2 million I would imagine we would sell?

Do you go to the matches? Hoskins has to wake up and perform does he!! Good thing your not the manager then ain't it!!

dave from bexill wrote:

rolivan wrote: I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Ah yes Gateshead. If memory serves me right, we signed the great Norman Gall from there.

7Rookie wrote:
Hoping that Norwich come back in for CMS with a decent offer (above what we paid). Use that money on VVD and go from there. We have Hoskins (will score goals given the chance) and Dobbie (much better player than showed so far) to compete with Ulloa

dave from bexill wrote:

rolivan wrote:
I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Ah yes Gateshead. If memory serves me right, we signed the great Norman Gall from there.

Captain Haddock wrote:
I say go for it! This player looks a real prospect and will as such represent a decent investment risk.

Besides, with Ulloa up top Van Dijk would more or less complete the picture and send us on our way...thus gaining a substantial return on that investment in a year when the PL TV financial bonanza achieves yet a new startling high!

saraman wrote:

dave from bexill wrote:

rolivan wrote: I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Ah yes Gateshead. If memory serves me right, we signed the great Norman Gall from there.

How about Kit Napier from Workington (I THINK)? Could be wrong.

markymark03 wrote:
I miss the Argus rumour mill ;)

Yogi wrote:
Rumour - Crofts to Gillingham???

saraman wrote:

dave from bexill wrote:

rolivan wrote: I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Ah yes Gateshead. If memory serves me right, we signed the great Norman Gall from there.

How about Kit Napier from Workington (I THINK)? Could be wrong.

LAWgull wrote:

saraman wrote:

dave from bexill wrote:

rolivan wrote: I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Ah yes Gateshead. If memory serves me right, we signed the great Norman Gall from there.

How about Kit Napier from Workington (I THINK)? Could be wrong.

even before that anyone remember Jack Bertolini he definately came from Workington Good right half in the days when if you were right half you wore number 4 Sorry if ive lost some of our younger followers

dave from bexill wrote:
Ps to my last sentence. Seems I'm not the only one. But magical memories from the Goldstone. Ah Wiseman, Alan Duffy, brilliant on his day, but I don't think Pat Saward could quite handle him, but did say he thought Duffy was capable of being the best player in div 3.
I'll end now, before I really get started.

bruce beckett wrote:
I will always remember Kit Napier for his inswinging corners. Think he scored a few direct from the corner without anyone touching the ball. Never seen anyone quite so adept taking a corner since then.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Dijk's club slapped a 5 million valuation on him, and even though we know that is a joke, we won't get him for 2 million.

If he even looks like being sold around the 2.5million mark, Sunderland will probably get back in the race.

As I said earlier, slap 3 mill on the table with the prospct of a little more if we get promoted. A deal like that would keep Sunderland at bay I doubt that they could say no. Yes it's a tad too much but if we want him we have to pay for him.

Gus mentioned a couple of weeks back that, 'stupid,' bids could get one or more of our gems, well the same applies when we go shopping. Hands up all those that would pay the extra million if it increased our chances of promotion by say, 50%.

wiseman of hove wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
Dijk's club slapped a 5 million valuation on him, and even though we know that is a joke, we won't get him for 2 million.

If he even looks like being sold around the 2.5million mark, Sunderland will probably get back in the race.

As I said earlier, slap 3 mill on the table with the prospct of a little more if we get promoted. A deal like that would keep Sunderland at bay I doubt that they could say no. Yes it's a tad too much but if we want him we have to pay for him.

Gus mentioned a couple of weeks back that, 'stupid,' bids could get one or more of our gems, well the same applies when we go shopping. Hands up all those that would pay the extra million if it increased our chances of promotion by say, 50%.

I would be surprised if we did not make a third bid. Has anybody heard of an alternative centre back that the manager has been seriously tracking?

bruce beckett wrote:
I will always remember Kit Napier for his inswinging corners. Think he scored a few direct from the corner without anyone touching the ball. Never seen anyone quite so adept taking a corner since then.

falmer seagull wrote:
Kit Napier was from Newcastle with Ray Fuller! Yes I am that old!

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
Virgil has tweeted he is on his way?

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
the answer to this is do you have a clue?

championshipgull wrote:

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
the answer to this is do you have a clue?

He tweeted one word 2 hr ago “incredible” and one hr ago “OMW” (Oh my word). Could be tweeting about his dinner, girlfriend ?

mark by the sea wrote:

championshipgull wrote:

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
the answer to this is do you have a clue?

He tweeted one word 2 hr ago “incredible” and one hr ago “OMW” (Oh my word). Could be tweeting about his dinner, girlfriend ?

Girl friend looks omg

championshipgull wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

championshipgull wrote:

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
the answer to this is do you have a clue?

He tweeted one word 2 hr ago “incredible” and one hr ago “OMW” (Oh my word). Could be tweeting about his dinner, girlfriend ?

Girl friend looks omg

So OMW could mean on my way to his girlfriend.

Hovite wrote:
Whatever it was, it would be in Dutch anyway.

mark by the sea wrote:
Bristol city 2-0 with Watford, millwall losing too!

championshipgull wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Whatever it was, it would be in Dutch anyway.

sometimes he tweets in Dutch sometimes in English. Hovite

https://twitter.com/

VirgilvDijk

Hovite wrote:
Hey champ, just been to his twitter and google translated; Niet altijd alles geloven wat je hoort en leest.

Translates to; Do not always believe everything you hear and read.

Thought that was quite apt

VegasSeagull wrote:
I don't think I have ever met a person from Holland that did not speak english so if he does come, at least we won't need yet another interpreter.



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LAWgull wrote:

saraman wrote:

dave from bexill wrote:

rolivan wrote: I remember the days when a lot of our players came from places like Gateshead how times have changed.Now we seem to have an International Scouting network and to be able to spend £2 to £3 on players which brings me to the most important part which is without you guys who go to games week in week out TB and his Financial Backers would never have taken the punt to invest What must be getting up to the £150M and long may it continue and we wouldn't have been having these conversations

Ah yes Gateshead. If memory serves me right, we signed the great Norman Gall from there.

How about Kit Napier from Workington (I THINK)? Could be wrong.

even before that anyone remember Jack Bertolini he definately came from Workington Good right half in the days when if you were right half you wore number 4 Sorry if ive lost some of our younger followers