Poyet says Van Dijk chase "is over" (From The Argus)
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Poyet says Van Dijk chase "is over"
4:24pm Wednesday 30th January 2013 in Sport By Brian Owen
Gus Poyet
Albion boss Gus Poyet has told The Argus his bid to sign Dutch prospect Virgil van Dijk "is over".
The Seagulls have had two bids knocked back for the rising Groningen star.
Poyet needs a centre-back to help cover the current absence of Gordon Greer and Lewis Dunk.
He will assess his options before tomorrow night's transfer deadline.
But he said: "At the moment there's nothing. It's going to be very difficult."
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VegasSeagull
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4:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Birmingham will accept offers for players, they need the money so how about we make a move for Pablo Ibanez.
This guy has a decent pedigree but for some reason is not getting much match time. I doubt we would have to break the bank to buy him and he could be a good loanee.
VegasSeagull
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4:47pm Wed 30 Jan 13
This lad looks like one who will soon break into the first team...
Freeloaders
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4:48pm Wed 30 Jan 13
sloughseagull wrote:Not so sure Gus will see it that way.I think after his words today him & Mr,Bidcutt will be off soon.Lets face it without Hoskins,Dobbie ,and Dunk on the wage bill this guy would be a Brighton player now.With Leo here now when and where are these guys ever gona play for the first team.Like i say the word gets around about these players and know other clubs will take a risk on them.There is just not the money to pay for both yet.
Can't say we didn't try, definitely shown the ambition. Looks like we will have to make do with what we have. In my opinion if we don't lose any key players we have had a good window.
tug509
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4:49pm Wed 30 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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4:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:Freeloader whilst you might have a point about some of those that you identify as a waste of money, surely the Dijk saga has shown you that it is not as easy as you think it is to get rid of players.
sloughseagull wrote: Can't say we didn't try, definitely shown the ambition. Looks like we will have to make do with what we have. In my opinion if we don't lose any key players we have had a good window.Not so sure Gus will see it that way.I think after his words today him & Mr,Bidcutt will be off soon.Lets face it without Hoskins,Dobbie ,and Dunk on the wage bill this guy would be a Brighton player now.With Leo here now when and where are these guys ever gona play for the first team.Like i say the word gets around about these players and know other clubs will take a risk on them.There is just not the money to pay for both yet.
There has to be a minimum number of players available for Gus to use and in an ideal world, they would all be good enough for the team sheet.
You suggest getting rid of maybe three to buy one, that would reduce the options open to Gus.
If Dunk was not other wise engauged right now he would stand in for one of our injured and even if he is not the best, he is better than nothing.
I get the impression that you want Gus ot have maybe 24 players that are all good enough to start a match, we don't have the money to achieve that. Do you really think that we could afford two first teams, all on first team wages?
One at a time they go and one at a time they are replaced with better. Painter might be only a third string choice but we have needed him this season, if we did as you would like, get rid of those that don't make enough appearances he would be one we would not have been able to call on.
I do see where you are coming from but I think your view is a little too simplistic.
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Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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5:13pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Gee Jay
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5:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13
If we have to 'patch up' a back four, then we just have to make sure that we score more goals than we concede......don't we?
ballantrrae
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5:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13
tug509 wrote:My thoughts entirely tug509 although I have seen a rumour that Vincelot might be returning to Gillingham on loan.
I just hope Gus has other Irons in the fire,otherwise we will need Vincelot to bail us out at the back. UTA
However I am confident that the club have been keeping tabs on other potential CB targets which I imagine they will turn to now the van Dijk option is dead (for the time being).
In Monday's Argus (back page) under the Albion Need Centre Half thread Andy Naylor reported "Albion's interest in other centre-half targets will intensify as well after Greer's departure exposed a shortage of back-up."
Much the same was said in another report yesterday.
We needed another CB before GG's injury. Now bringing one in is even more urgent.
We do seem to be leaving things until the last minute. Thank goodness we have got Ulloa in, at least that is one major acquisition completed.
I look forward to seeing who, if anyone, we sign in the next 30 hours. I wouldn't be surprised if we bought another youngster for the DS as part of Poyet's plans to strengthen that area..
UTA.
Freeloaders
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5:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13
saraman
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5:23pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Hector66
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5:24pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Gibseagull
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5:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13
saraman wrote:I agree - don't believe everything you read in the papers!! but if it really is off, I'd be happy for us to go back for him in the summer and I reckon DvD + a couple of other similar quality players added to the squad for next season will make us a formidable unit. Onwards and upwards.
Hang on just a mo. Now that Gus has made it public that the deal is off, it may just be the case that the Dutch realise that they have pushed it too far. That being the case there is still a chance that they will contact Gus with an acceptance. There is still more than 24hrs left for it to happen. A slim chance maybe, but still a chance. This is brinkmanship at it's best.
VegasSeagull
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5:47pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) wrote:I fail to see how this deal was anything like, 'panic buying.'
I feel this may be a blessing in disguise as it had a ring of panic buying about it. Now we appear to have remedied our attacking dilemma (although only time is going to tell), we need to look at a longer-term panacea to our defensive issues which may, or may not, include the likes of van Dijk. It needs to be part of a strategy and not a knee-jerk reaction to a short-term problem; one thing I have great confidence in is the strategic thinking of TB, PB and the senior management team. UTA.
We entered the market for this lad a couple of weeks ago, and you can bet we have been watching him for some time.
Dijk was identified as the right player for us and we moved in with two offers, how is that panic buying.
If we sign a player with just one hour of the window left, that might be seen as panic buying.
7Rookie
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5:51pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Freeloaders wrote:"95% sure Gus feels the same way'.
I just hope you are reading every word about them 4 people VegasSeagull.If thats all Gus is gona have to get the team into the prem-league he will deff be off.Im sorry Vegas we have 8 players which are a pure waste of space,and im 95% sure Gus feels the same way.Anyway more to the point im sure we could of made big money out of this Dutch lad in the long run.With lads like him you can always get your money back.
Truly laughable comment, have you spoken to him recently then? Hoskins regular on the bench, Dunk same (and has been spoken about very highly by Gus - current circumstances have set him back a bit granted), and Dobbie was brought in recently. Who are the other players that you think Gus thinks are waste then.
We drew a line about paying over what the club rate him at. The Dutch club don't want to sell at the moment and can say what ever amount they want
Ringmer Rich
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5:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13
dave from bexill
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6:02pm Wed 30 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Yes I agree Vegas, in no way could the purchase of Dijk have been seen as a "knee-jerk reaction" I guess SOS you think this because of the unfortunate injury to Greer, which has of course highlighted our current shortage of center backs. I think you'll find Gus had an interest in the Dutch lad for sometime, otherwise why make a second offer for the player if Gus wasn't already convinced about him?
Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) wrote:I fail to see how this deal was anything like, 'panic buying.'
I feel this may be a blessing in disguise as it had a ring of panic buying about it. Now we appear to have remedied our attacking dilemma (although only time is going to tell), we need to look at a longer-term panacea to our defensive issues which may, or may not, include the likes of van Dijk. It needs to be part of a strategy and not a knee-jerk reaction to a short-term problem; one thing I have great confidence in is the strategic thinking of TB, PB and the senior management team. UTA.
We entered the market for this lad a couple of weeks ago, and you can bet we have been watching him for some time.
Dijk was identified as the right player for us and we moved in with two offers, how is that panic buying.
If we sign a player with just one hour of the window left, that might be seen as panic buying.
VegasSeagull
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6:03pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Would that have been right, well maybe if we see goals being conceded thru not having him. Maybe he would have scored a few and helped get us promoted, maybe that would have made it the right thing to do. We will never know and obviously erring on the side of financial responsibility will always be the right thing to do.
They didn't want to sell him and only stupid money would have made them change their minds.
mark by the sea
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6:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13
saraman
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6:10pm Wed 30 Jan 13
saraman
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6:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Freeloaders
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6:17pm Wed 30 Jan 13
7Rookie wrote:You talk pure rubbish.Just read about the guy if you can.Its there in black & white now for all to see.I was 100% right about the debt mths before you lot was told.Plus i was 100% spot on about the money for Grant Hall long before you lot.I was also spot on the club would make a statement the next day about Leo once we had the Grant Hall money.If you really believe Gus and his staff think Dunk is a good player your more stupid than you sound.Take from me he won't take him to Chelsea with him lol.10 or 15 shots and a bottle of wine.I think you know the reason why Spurs went for Grant Hall now.
Freeloaders wrote:"95% sure Gus feels the same way'.
I just hope you are reading every word about them 4 people VegasSeagull.If thats all Gus is gona have to get the team into the prem-league he will deff be off.Im sorry Vegas we have 8 players which are a pure waste of space,and im 95% sure Gus feels the same way.Anyway more to the point im sure we could of made big money out of this Dutch lad in the long run.With lads like him you can always get your money back.
Truly laughable comment, have you spoken to him recently then? Hoskins regular on the bench, Dunk same (and has been spoken about very highly by Gus - current circumstances have set him back a bit granted), and Dobbie was brought in recently. Who are the other players that you think Gus thinks are waste then.
We drew a line about paying over what the club rate him at. The Dutch club don't want to sell at the moment and can say what ever amount they want
albionfan33
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6:17pm Wed 30 Jan 13
andydownsouth
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6:20pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Ringmer Rich wrote:Are you Hove Park Resident in disguise? Chelsea are not going to go all in with a manager still learning his trade.
Gus is currently bookies favourite to take over the Chelsea job. He is even ahead of 'the special one'. Not good.
I'm sure Gus will have a couple in the door before the deadline. In Gus we trust!!!
rolivan
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6:32pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rolivan
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6:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13
SMF20
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6:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13
The guy looks a class act and going purely off hearsay, sounded like he wanted to play for us and join our journey.
Onwards and upwards though. The management team know what they are doing and I'm very happy that the purse strings are held by those that will look out for our great club first and foremost even if Gus may not potentially agree.
Gp's comments suggest that nothing else is lined Up and if this is the case then I'm not sure a permanent deal has time to be done now but you never know, I just hope that a panic buy isn't on the cards.
The way I now see it is that we dip in to the loan market for possibly two central defenders and revisit the long term purchase option again in the Summer, Gus has already stated that there will be an overhaul.
If we can't do this, just keep the squad we have and make do then I think as someone else has mentioned, we may just miss out again this season.
I really hope not as I believe there is a massive opportunity this year but I'm more than happy with another year in the Championship if it means that the missing links are brought in and the dead wood is released.
Uta
falmer seagull
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7:01pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rolivan
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7:02pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette
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7:03pm Wed 30 Jan 13
WisdomSpeaks
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7:08pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Ringmer Rich wrote:Relax - that's never going to happen. Abramovich is known to like fast moving attacking football ala Man Utd. Unless he changes his philosophy Gus won't play that way. No experience at top level - no chances. We are safe!
Gus is currently bookies favourite to take over the Chelsea job. He is even ahead of 'the special one'. Not good.
WisdomSpeaks
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7:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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8:52pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Shame about the Dutch guy, but there's not point in spending over the odds - if we were going to have to spend £3m on a player worth £2m, why not spend £3m on a player worth £3m instead? Personally, I think we'll cope okay without Greer for 3 matches. Not brilliant, but okay.
VegasSeagull
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8:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13
The developement improvement has already started and I think will continue to. The club has not reallly seen any benefit form the DS but over the next 2 or 3 years that will change.
The training ground/acadamy will also produce, over the next 4 to 5 years, with players moving up to the DS within 2 years.
I think it very likely that a number of players will leave the club come the summer, some will be names we know and love to a greater or lesser degree.
Brighton have gone from a survival team of just a few years ago, to a club that will more professional than it has ever looked before.
We all understand the great job Mr. Bloom has done, I doubt there is a better chairman in the country. What ever the board has done, and will do, it is all being done on the back of Poyet, it is his vision of the future that they are building.
I can't see Poyet leaving Brighton witht he job half done. I think he will want to stay to see his dream finalised and that dream is Brighton in the premiership division.
Gus knows that he needs to show that he can manage a prem club before he can even think about running one of the top clubs. If he can get us there, keep us there and handle player issues as they arise he will have shown that he is ready for the time.
If I were the boss at Chelsea, Spurs or City the best offer I would make would be in a secondary role right now, and I think Gus would turn that down, right now.
Not getting Dijk is not a failure, if anything it shows just how professional and responsible those that run the club are.
If you were Gus would you rather be in his shoes or those of Harry, one is fighting to go up and the other, well he is fighting to stay up and keep his job. If QPR don't make it Harry will be looking for yet another club, the guy is spending money at a rate that is senseless, unless it works.
brightonup
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9:03pm Wed 30 Jan 13
7Rookie wrote:It really isn't worth the effort of responding....
Freeloaders wrote:"95% sure Gus feels the same way'.
I just hope you are reading every word about them 4 people VegasSeagull.If thats all Gus is gona have to get the team into the prem-league he will deff be off.Im sorry Vegas we have 8 players which are a pure waste of space,and im 95% sure Gus feels the same way.Anyway more to the point im sure we could of made big money out of this Dutch lad in the long run.With lads like him you can always get your money back.
Truly laughable comment, have you spoken to him recently then? Hoskins regular on the bench, Dunk same (and has been spoken about very highly by Gus - current circumstances have set him back a bit granted), and Dobbie was brought in recently. Who are the other players that you think Gus thinks are waste then.
We drew a line about paying over what the club rate him at. The Dutch club don't want to sell at the moment and can say what ever amount they want
Talk about obsessive!
rolivan
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9:08pm Wed 30 Jan 13
falmer seagull
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9:10pm Wed 30 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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10:18pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Sarah Booker Lewis
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8:42am Thu 31 Jan 13
mr punch
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11:43am Thu 31 Jan 13
Bookmakers Coral suspended betting on Brighton's Gus Poyet becoming the next Chelsea manager yesterday after an avalanche of online bets cut his odds from 25-1 to 3-1.
sloughseagull says...
4:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13