Orlandi aims to bounce back

The Argus: Andrea Orlandi on the ball against Wednesday Andrea Orlandi on the ball against Wednesday

Andrea Orlandi has urged Albion to get over their 3-1 defeat at Sheffield Wednesday.

But the midfielder admitted the Seagulls should have defended better against the Owls' threat from out wide.

Orlandi’s second-half goal was the one bright spot for Albion and briefly put the ten men back in the contest at 2-1.

Wednesday were strong from crosses and set-pieces, just as the visitors expected.

Orlandi said: “The gaffer told us before the game that is what they do.

“He showed us a couple of clips and they were just balls over and looking for the second balls.

“That is what we were expecting – crosses.

“I think from the first cross the striker was lucky because the ball hit his foot and then his head and went in.

“Obviously the game changed then. From set plays they are dangerous and they scored two more goals.

“We tried to play, they tried to play their way and I’m not saying it’s worse or better. It’s just the way they play.

“They won – let’s get over it.”

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10:10am Sun 3 Feb 13

Clean Sheet says...

Yes, onwards and upwards. If we can string a run together, then we will make the Play Offs. We are not so far away.
Yes, onwards and upwards. If we can string a run together, then we will make the Play Offs. We are not so far away. Clean Sheet

10:14am Sun 3 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Lets play to win from the first minute, to much time being tactical and applying game play, and not enough passion for attacking the opposition, Gus needs to learn its the team that wins games and not how clever we can be .. Hull will be a massive test Saturday, get at them and get two up by halftime must be how we play.
Lets play to win from the first minute, to much time being tactical and applying game play, and not enough passion for attacking the opposition, Gus needs to learn its the team that wins games and not how clever we can be .. Hull will be a massive test Saturday, get at them and get two up by halftime must be how we play. mark by the sea

10:25am Sun 3 Feb 13

CAKEBEARD says...

Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke!
Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke! CAKEBEARD

10:28am Sun 3 Feb 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Orlandi is quite right. A quick glance at the run-in will show there are a few 6 pointers and, as Clean Sheet, a nice run will see us in the mix. In the face of adversity - if Barnes forthcoming absence can be construed as such (I like to keep the church in the middle of the village and not upset too many people too much of the time) - then Gus has the opportunity to make some tactical changes, not all of which should be bad. (A chance for our Fantasy League Managers to put in their two penny worth...!) He has a couple of headaches too. Matt Upson has got to rapidly gain a better understanding of the back row and the keeper. TK's sudden loss of confidence must be a bit of a worry and hopefully only temporary. He is simply too good. GP, with all his talents, should sort this out and we should be riding the roller coaster all the way to the final whistle. Fingers crossed.
Orlandi is quite right. A quick glance at the run-in will show there are a few 6 pointers and, as Clean Sheet, a nice run will see us in the mix. In the face of adversity - if Barnes forthcoming absence can be construed as such (I like to keep the church in the middle of the village and not upset too many people too much of the time) - then Gus has the opportunity to make some tactical changes, not all of which should be bad. (A chance for our Fantasy League Managers to put in their two penny worth...!) He has a couple of headaches too. Matt Upson has got to rapidly gain a better understanding of the back row and the keeper. TK's sudden loss of confidence must be a bit of a worry and hopefully only temporary. He is simply too good. GP, with all his talents, should sort this out and we should be riding the roller coaster all the way to the final whistle. Fingers crossed. Jonathan Mouette

10:28am Sun 3 Feb 13

saraman says...

Must take the game to Hull on Saturday or we will lose 1-0. I would rather us lose 4-3 and see a spectacle. No more draws please Gus we need wins or nothing.
Must take the game to Hull on Saturday or we will lose 1-0. I would rather us lose 4-3 and see a spectacle. No more draws please Gus we need wins or nothing. saraman

10:28am Sun 3 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

CAKEBEARD wrote:
Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke!
I would be surprised if ups on if fit does not play every game from now on, he and GG will provide more physical backbone , sadly elabd has done his bit, Bournemouth or orient is calling for him next season.
[quote][p][bold]CAKEBEARD[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke![/p][/quote]I would be surprised if ups on if fit does not play every game from now on, he and GG will provide more physical backbone , sadly elabd has done his bit, Bournemouth or orient is calling for him next season. mark by the sea

11:06am Sun 3 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
CAKEBEARD wrote:
Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke!
I would be surprised if ups on if fit does not play every game from now on, he and GG will provide more physical backbone , sadly elabd has done his bit, Bournemouth or orient is calling for him next season.
Or with Egypt topping their qualifying group the world cup is calling.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CAKEBEARD[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke![/p][/quote]I would be surprised if ups on if fit does not play every game from now on, he and GG will provide more physical backbone , sadly elabd has done his bit, Bournemouth or orient is calling for him next season.[/p][/quote]Or with Egypt topping their qualifying group the world cup is calling. championshipgull

11:07am Sun 3 Feb 13

pjwilk says...

Gus should have pulled Barnes of after his first retaliation,it was a red card waiting to happened.Gus should sit him out for a few games,he let the team down.
Gus should have pulled Barnes of after his first retaliation,it was a red card waiting to happened.Gus should sit him out for a few games,he let the team down. pjwilk

11:09am Sun 3 Feb 13

gusset snatcher says...

championship scorers
1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24
2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20
3Charlie Austin Burnley 20
4Matej Vydra Watford 19
5Chris Wood Leicester City 16
6Thomas InceBlackpool 16
7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15
8 David Nugent Leicester 14
9 Marlon King Birmingham 13
10 Troy Deeney Watford 12
11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright
on & Hove Albion 11
The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class.
Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM
championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM gusset snatcher

11:13am Sun 3 Feb 13

raymondo999 says...

Is the hull game on TV?
Is the hull game on TV? raymondo999

11:25am Sun 3 Feb 13

Tommy from the Amex says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
championship scorers
1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24
2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20
3Charlie Austin Burnley 20
4Matej Vydra Watford 19
5Chris Wood Leicester City 16
6Thomas InceBlackpool 16
7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15
8 David Nugent Leicester 14
9 Marlon King Birmingham 13
10 Troy Deeney Watford 12
11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright

on & Hove Albion 11
The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class.
Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM
Interesting gusset ! Hull are up the top but no striker on your list ? Goals must be coming from all over ?
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM[/p][/quote]Interesting gusset ! Hull are up the top but no striker on your list ? Goals must be coming from all over ? Tommy from the Amex

11:30am Sun 3 Feb 13

Claude Back says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Lets play to win from the first minute, to much time being tactical and applying game play, and not enough passion for attacking the opposition, Gus needs to learn its the team that wins games and not how clever we can be .. Hull will be a massive test Saturday, get at them and get two up by halftime must be how we play.
Very much agree with that sentiment about playing to win from the first minute.
Gus' philosophy seems to be 'Let's defend and probe around for a while until we go a goal down... Then I'll bring on the other attackers.'
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Lets play to win from the first minute, to much time being tactical and applying game play, and not enough passion for attacking the opposition, Gus needs to learn its the team that wins games and not how clever we can be .. Hull will be a massive test Saturday, get at them and get two up by halftime must be how we play.[/p][/quote]Very much agree with that sentiment about playing to win from the first minute. Gus' philosophy seems to be 'Let's defend and probe around for a while until we go a goal down... Then I'll bring on the other attackers.' Claude Back

11:31am Sun 3 Feb 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Saw Barnes two footed tackle last night!!! Completely lost his head, now out for three games, unfortunately this is not the first time its happened.when will he learn!!
Saw Barnes two footed tackle last night!!! Completely lost his head, now out for three games, unfortunately this is not the first time its happened.when will he learn!! Tony the tiger eastbourne

11:33am Sun 3 Feb 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Saw Barnes two footed tackle last night!!! Completely lost his head, now out for three games, unfortunately this is not the first time its happened.when will he learn!!
Saw Barnes two footed tackle last night!!! Completely lost his head, now out for three games, unfortunately this is not the first time its happened.when will he learn!! Tony the tiger eastbourne

12:11pm Sun 3 Feb 13

the taffster says...

upson has always been a liability wherever hes played.slow.i cant see hes any better than dunk whos also suspect.gus,s management skills are poor.i can see dobbie fitting in well at cp like murray has.but neither were in gus,s plans.new manager please.
upson has always been a liability wherever hes played.slow.i cant see hes any better than dunk whos also suspect.gus,s management skills are poor.i can see dobbie fitting in well at cp like murray has.but neither were in gus,s plans.new manager please. the taffster

12:19pm Sun 3 Feb 13

college says...

the taffster wrote:
upson has always been a liability wherever hes played.slow.i cant see hes any better than dunk whos also suspect.gus,s management skills are poor.i can see dobbie fitting in well at cp like murray has.but neither were in gus,s plans.new manager please.
I was going to give an observational and reasoned reply to this, But you're just not worth it, afraid you're in the same category as gussetsnatcher, whose name really says it all.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: upson has always been a liability wherever hes played.slow.i cant see hes any better than dunk whos also suspect.gus,s management skills are poor.i can see dobbie fitting in well at cp like murray has.but neither were in gus,s plans.new manager please.[/p][/quote]I was going to give an observational and reasoned reply to this, But you're just not worth it, afraid you're in the same category as gussetsnatcher, whose name really says it all. college

12:20pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Weploughandmow says...

I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League.
the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players.
In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are.
We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team.
I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League. the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players. In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are. We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team. Weploughandmow

12:23pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Claude Back says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Saw Barnes two footed tackle last night!!! Completely lost his head, now out for three games, unfortunately this is not the first time its happened.when will he learn!!
As I said on your earlier post, cheer up, they might appeal the ban...and get it extended to six games.
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Saw Barnes two footed tackle last night!!! Completely lost his head, now out for three games, unfortunately this is not the first time its happened.when will he learn!![/p][/quote]As I said on your earlier post, cheer up, they might appeal the ban...and get it extended to six games. Claude Back

12:28pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Claude Back says...

Weploughandmow wrote:
I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League.
the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players.
In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are.
We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team.
Well said.
Particularly agree with the point about settng ourselves up to score goals, rather than conceding.
[quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League. the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players. In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are. We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team.[/p][/quote]Well said. Particularly agree with the point about settng ourselves up to score goals, rather than conceding. Claude Back

12:29pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Weploughandmow says...

76 points has meant a play-off spot every season for at least the last twenty years, so that needs to be the target I think.
76 points has meant a play-off spot every season for at least the last twenty years, so that needs to be the target I think. Weploughandmow

12:38pm Sun 3 Feb 13

tug509 says...

raymondo999 wrote:
Is the hull game on TV?
Yes,its on Sky at 5.20 . UTA
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: Is the hull game on TV?[/p][/quote]Yes,its on Sky at 5.20 . UTA tug509

12:41pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Jimmy Langley says...

Can anyone tell me how many goals we have conceded from corners in the last season and a half? My perception is that this is an ongoing weakness which, unless we can sort it out, will cost us our chance of making the play-offs.
Can anyone tell me how many goals we have conceded from corners in the last season and a half? My perception is that this is an ongoing weakness which, unless we can sort it out, will cost us our chance of making the play-offs. Jimmy Langley

12:56pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hovite says...

We were at a disadvantage yesterday with a make shift defense and El Abd switching to RCB to make way for Upson.

The starting 11 was well balanced to accommodate our patched up defense and we had good options from the bench.

We started well and all was going to plan until Barnes got sent off.

All this rubbish about a 442 formation, tactics and who should have played goes straight out the window if you are down 10 men for 65 mins.

If all of us who post on here posted one players name, who we insist should play, we would have 16 in the staring 11. Barnes let the team down, Gus was left fuming over the tackle, and Barnes will probably be out of contention for longer than 3 games because of this.

Yesterday’s game was not the game to say we should have done this, that or the other, because it is blooming obvious why we lost. I am looking forward to the first league game with Ulloa playing alongside a full team and not 89% of one.
We were at a disadvantage yesterday with a make shift defense and El Abd switching to RCB to make way for Upson. The starting 11 was well balanced to accommodate our patched up defense and we had good options from the bench. We started well and all was going to plan until Barnes got sent off. All this rubbish about a 442 formation, tactics and who should have played goes straight out the window if you are down 10 men for 65 mins. If all of us who post on here posted one players name, who we insist should play, we would have 16 in the staring 11. Barnes let the team down, Gus was left fuming over the tackle, and Barnes will probably be out of contention for longer than 3 games because of this. Yesterday’s game was not the game to say we should have done this, that or the other, because it is blooming obvious why we lost. I am looking forward to the first league game with Ulloa playing alongside a full team and not 89% of one. Hovite

1:04pm Sun 3 Feb 13

ballantrrae says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Orlandi is quite right. A quick glance at the run-in will show there are a few 6 pointers and, as Clean Sheet, a nice run will see us in the mix. In the face of adversity - if Barnes forthcoming absence can be construed as such (I like to keep the church in the middle of the village and not upset too many people too much of the time) - then Gus has the opportunity to make some tactical changes, not all of which should be bad. (A chance for our Fantasy League Managers to put in their two penny worth...!) He has a couple of headaches too. Matt Upson has got to rapidly gain a better understanding of the back row and the keeper. TK's sudden loss of confidence must be a bit of a worry and hopefully only temporary. He is simply too good. GP, with all his talents, should sort this out and we should be riding the roller coaster all the way to the final whistle. Fingers crossed.
Johnathan Mouette as you rightly point out Barnes's suspension will provide someone else with an opportunity.
Obviously Buckley hadn't recovered from his hanstring problem since he didn't make the squad and presumably Bruno wasn't fit enough to start.
Regarding Kuszczak, Poyet 'resting' him for the Arsenal game doesn't make for continuity. However if he is given a run I feel confident he will return to the form he has displayed earlier this year especially once Upson has had a chance to 'settle in'.
Upson will need a couple more games to become match sharp and to build an understanding with Kuszczak, the rest of the back 4 and Bridcutt. I hope all the fans, myself included, will be patient.
I suspect that GG was missed more on Saturday than one imagined he might be. His leadership and organisational abilities I think are often underated. His understanding of how we defend might have prevented the first Wednesday goal since he might have anticipated the danger Lita posed in that situation.
Whilst I thought we had a good window generally speaking (Ulloa and Upson in, Bridcutt retained) I was disappointed we didn't acquire a powerhouse midfielder. Perhaps such a signing is for the future as perhaps might van Dijk be as well.
Thoughts anyone, VegasSeagull, Captain Haddock, Westander 17, SMF20, Fratsomrover, Hovite, Tug509 etc ?
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Orlandi is quite right. A quick glance at the run-in will show there are a few 6 pointers and, as Clean Sheet, a nice run will see us in the mix. In the face of adversity - if Barnes forthcoming absence can be construed as such (I like to keep the church in the middle of the village and not upset too many people too much of the time) - then Gus has the opportunity to make some tactical changes, not all of which should be bad. (A chance for our Fantasy League Managers to put in their two penny worth...!) He has a couple of headaches too. Matt Upson has got to rapidly gain a better understanding of the back row and the keeper. TK's sudden loss of confidence must be a bit of a worry and hopefully only temporary. He is simply too good. GP, with all his talents, should sort this out and we should be riding the roller coaster all the way to the final whistle. Fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Johnathan Mouette as you rightly point out Barnes's suspension will provide someone else with an opportunity. Obviously Buckley hadn't recovered from his hanstring problem since he didn't make the squad and presumably Bruno wasn't fit enough to start. Regarding Kuszczak, Poyet 'resting' him for the Arsenal game doesn't make for continuity. However if he is given a run I feel confident he will return to the form he has displayed earlier this year especially once Upson has had a chance to 'settle in'. Upson will need a couple more games to become match sharp and to build an understanding with Kuszczak, the rest of the back 4 and Bridcutt. I hope all the fans, myself included, will be patient. I suspect that GG was missed more on Saturday than one imagined he might be. His leadership and organisational abilities I think are often underated. His understanding of how we defend might have prevented the first Wednesday goal since he might have anticipated the danger Lita posed in that situation. Whilst I thought we had a good window generally speaking (Ulloa and Upson in, Bridcutt retained) I was disappointed we didn't acquire a powerhouse midfielder. Perhaps such a signing is for the future as perhaps might van Dijk be as well. Thoughts anyone, VegasSeagull, Captain Haddock, Westander 17, SMF20, Fratsomrover, Hovite, Tug509 etc ? ballantrrae

1:06pm Sun 3 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

Weploughandmow wrote:
76 points has meant a play-off spot every season for at least the last twenty years, so that needs to be the target I think.
Looking at the fixture list there looks to be lots of points to be had in March. April could be a bit complicated but it would be good to hit form near the end of the season to power ourselves right through the play offs.
[quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: 76 points has meant a play-off spot every season for at least the last twenty years, so that needs to be the target I think.[/p][/quote]Looking at the fixture list there looks to be lots of points to be had in March. April could be a bit complicated but it would be good to hit form near the end of the season to power ourselves right through the play offs. championshipgull

1:15pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Far gull says...

Claude Back wrote:
Weploughandmow wrote:
I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League.
the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players.
In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are.
We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team.
Well said.
Particularly agree with the point about settng ourselves up to score goals, rather than conceding.
Thanks for report .Just about sums up what many have thought. For all the talk we have had on here and we are all
disappointed lets face it.
Good for the spirits other posters have put on regarding points required which is still attainable .Lets hope they whoever quite frankly, is picked that they can all muscle up and put a run together.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: I was at the game yesterday and truth is Wednesday aren't a bad side (as their recent results testify). Strong, muscular and quite physical, and a long way from the team that was beaten at teh Amex earlier in the season. They have strengthened through loans this month too (including the scorers of the first two goals and the stand-out player on the day Helan, on loan from Man City). It remains to be seen whether our new players setlle in as well or as quickly to the rigours of the English League. the key question is whether lessons are learned. El-Abd had to play on the right of the centre-back pairing to accommodate Upson, rather than his normal left position, and was exposed for space and speed. Ulloa needs to show some muscle as he won't get the help from referees in this country that he is probably used to getting in Spain. Bridge and calderon were kept pretty deep by their wide players. In the second half of the season clubs are going to know how Brighton like to play and it seems that we're quite easy to nullify if an opposing side is fit and well-organised. Thus we need to do something different - could be two up front, could be Vicente, could be two wingers to give us more options going forward and get more balls in the box more quickly for whoever our striker(s) is/ are. We're a long way behind top two which for me is a bit worrying. But on the other hand we're quite capable of getting 34 points from the last 17 games, which would have us finishing on 76 points which would have meant a play-off place last year and probably will this year. It's certainly points that matter not league position at this stage, and we need to up our average from here on in. That means setting ourselves up to score goals I think, rather than not conceding. Agree with the point made elsewhere that we look more likley to score when Dicker is the team.[/p][/quote]Well said. Particularly agree with the point about settng ourselves up to score goals, rather than conceding.[/p][/quote]Thanks for report .Just about sums up what many have thought. For all the talk we have had on here and we are all disappointed lets face it. Good for the spirits other posters have put on regarding points required which is still attainable .Lets hope they whoever quite frankly, is picked that they can all muscle up and put a run together. Far gull

1:23pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

CAKEBEARD wrote:
Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke!
Well you can be very sure Dunk will never play for England.Or a prem-league team will come and buy him.At his age if any of them thought him that good they would have come and got him long before now.
[quote][p][bold]CAKEBEARD[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Dunk will be available to replace Greer next game, Upson is a cart horse, how he ever got an England cap is a joke![/p][/quote]Well you can be very sure Dunk will never play for England.Or a prem-league team will come and buy him.At his age if any of them thought him that good they would have come and got him long before now. Freeloaders

1:28pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hovite says...

You have a good balanced view Weploughandmow, but we don't set up to conceed goals?

You do mention why our defense was not as strong as it should be for reasons beyond anyones control.
You have a good balanced view Weploughandmow, but we don't set up to conceed goals? You do mention why our defense was not as strong as it should be for reasons beyond anyones control. Hovite

1:34pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hovite says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Orlandi is quite right. A quick glance at the run-in will show there are a few 6 pointers and, as Clean Sheet, a nice run will see us in the mix. In the face of adversity - if Barnes forthcoming absence can be construed as such (I like to keep the church in the middle of the village and not upset too many people too much of the time) - then Gus has the opportunity to make some tactical changes, not all of which should be bad. (A chance for our Fantasy League Managers to put in their two penny worth...!) He has a couple of headaches too. Matt Upson has got to rapidly gain a better understanding of the back row and the keeper. TK's sudden loss of confidence must be a bit of a worry and hopefully only temporary. He is simply too good. GP, with all his talents, should sort this out and we should be riding the roller coaster all the way to the final whistle. Fingers crossed.
Johnathan Mouette as you rightly point out Barnes's suspension will provide someone else with an opportunity.
Obviously Buckley hadn't recovered from his hanstring problem since he didn't make the squad and presumably Bruno wasn't fit enough to start.
Regarding Kuszczak, Poyet 'resting' him for the Arsenal game doesn't make for continuity. However if he is given a run I feel confident he will return to the form he has displayed earlier this year especially once Upson has had a chance to 'settle in'.
Upson will need a couple more games to become match sharp and to build an understanding with Kuszczak, the rest of the back 4 and Bridcutt. I hope all the fans, myself included, will be patient.
I suspect that GG was missed more on Saturday than one imagined he might be. His leadership and organisational abilities I think are often underated. His understanding of how we defend might have prevented the first Wednesday goal since he might have anticipated the danger Lita posed in that situation.
Whilst I thought we had a good window generally speaking (Ulloa and Upson in, Bridcutt retained) I was disappointed we didn't acquire a powerhouse midfielder. Perhaps such a signing is for the future as perhaps might van Dijk be as well.
Thoughts anyone, VegasSeagull, Captain Haddock, Westander 17, SMF20, Fratsomrover, Hovite, Tug509 etc ?
Yep agree apart from a powerhouse midfielder at this moment in time.

We should be ok with what we have, but the best strategy is to not have anyone sent off.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Orlandi is quite right. A quick glance at the run-in will show there are a few 6 pointers and, as Clean Sheet, a nice run will see us in the mix. In the face of adversity - if Barnes forthcoming absence can be construed as such (I like to keep the church in the middle of the village and not upset too many people too much of the time) - then Gus has the opportunity to make some tactical changes, not all of which should be bad. (A chance for our Fantasy League Managers to put in their two penny worth...!) He has a couple of headaches too. Matt Upson has got to rapidly gain a better understanding of the back row and the keeper. TK's sudden loss of confidence must be a bit of a worry and hopefully only temporary. He is simply too good. GP, with all his talents, should sort this out and we should be riding the roller coaster all the way to the final whistle. Fingers crossed.[/p][/quote]Johnathan Mouette as you rightly point out Barnes's suspension will provide someone else with an opportunity. Obviously Buckley hadn't recovered from his hanstring problem since he didn't make the squad and presumably Bruno wasn't fit enough to start. Regarding Kuszczak, Poyet 'resting' him for the Arsenal game doesn't make for continuity. However if he is given a run I feel confident he will return to the form he has displayed earlier this year especially once Upson has had a chance to 'settle in'. Upson will need a couple more games to become match sharp and to build an understanding with Kuszczak, the rest of the back 4 and Bridcutt. I hope all the fans, myself included, will be patient. I suspect that GG was missed more on Saturday than one imagined he might be. His leadership and organisational abilities I think are often underated. His understanding of how we defend might have prevented the first Wednesday goal since he might have anticipated the danger Lita posed in that situation. Whilst I thought we had a good window generally speaking (Ulloa and Upson in, Bridcutt retained) I was disappointed we didn't acquire a powerhouse midfielder. Perhaps such a signing is for the future as perhaps might van Dijk be as well. Thoughts anyone, VegasSeagull, Captain Haddock, Westander 17, SMF20, Fratsomrover, Hovite, Tug509 etc ?[/p][/quote]Yep agree apart from a powerhouse midfielder at this moment in time. We should be ok with what we have, but the best strategy is to not have anyone sent off. Hovite

1:40pm Sun 3 Feb 13

tonytowner1 says...

Claude Back wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Lets play to win from the first minute, to much time being tactical and applying game play, and not enough passion for attacking the opposition, Gus needs to learn its the team that wins games and not how clever we can be .. Hull will be a massive test Saturday, get at them and get two up by halftime must be how we play.
Very much agree with that sentiment about playing to win from the first minute.
Gus' philosophy seems to be 'Let's defend and probe around for a while until we go a goal down... Then I'll bring on the other attackers.'
Absolutely the case - too often the theme at home is that we look good for 15 - 20 minutes till the opposition realise that we aren't posing as much an attacking threat as expected for all our possession, bring themselves in to the match and then score with 50%+ of the few chances they develop. Cardiff of course was one exception to this - but even Arsenal fitted this theme

The fact that ALL of this season AND last season we have not gone behind away from home and then come back to win a single league match and have done this only once at home against eventual bottom and relegated side, Doncaster when there was of course the absolute passion of the occasion suggests belief is lacking in our ability to win matches through goal power and attacking - that explains us being top for draws this season whilst having a pretty decent goal difference still - something needs to change to move us on from "being close to...." The same appears to happen most of the time when we are in a "if we win this one we'll be in the play off positions" situation if you think of late last season and 3 - 4 occasions this season e.g. Watford and Millwall home matches - mind stuff and it needs sorting as the squad/ team is now good enough

Vicente makes a difference and has that absolute belief when playing properly in his best position - lost again for why we don't start with him there for 65 minutes
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Lets play to win from the first minute, to much time being tactical and applying game play, and not enough passion for attacking the opposition, Gus needs to learn its the team that wins games and not how clever we can be .. Hull will be a massive test Saturday, get at them and get two up by halftime must be how we play.[/p][/quote]Very much agree with that sentiment about playing to win from the first minute. Gus' philosophy seems to be 'Let's defend and probe around for a while until we go a goal down... Then I'll bring on the other attackers.'[/p][/quote]Absolutely the case - too often the theme at home is that we look good for 15 - 20 minutes till the opposition realise that we aren't posing as much an attacking threat as expected for all our possession, bring themselves in to the match and then score with 50%+ of the few chances they develop. Cardiff of course was one exception to this - but even Arsenal fitted this theme The fact that ALL of this season AND last season we have not gone behind away from home and then come back to win a single league match and have done this only once at home against eventual bottom and relegated side, Doncaster when there was of course the absolute passion of the occasion suggests belief is lacking in our ability to win matches through goal power and attacking - that explains us being top for draws this season whilst having a pretty decent goal difference still - something needs to change to move us on from "being close to...." The same appears to happen most of the time when we are in a "if we win this one we'll be in the play off positions" situation if you think of late last season and 3 - 4 occasions this season e.g. Watford and Millwall home matches - mind stuff and it needs sorting as the squad/ team is now good enough Vicente makes a difference and has that absolute belief when playing properly in his best position - lost again for why we don't start with him there for 65 minutes tonytowner1

1:47pm Sun 3 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

A question I would hope that someone from the Argus will ask of Poyet when next they meet.

With the exception of Greer and Ankergren, why didn't you start with the same line up that played so well against Arsenal?
Wednesday are an improving team, they had 7 different players on the park from those we faced at the Amex, but they are not Arsenal, so why the changes.
A question I would hope that someone from the Argus will ask of Poyet when next they meet. With the exception of Greer and Ankergren, why didn't you start with the same line up that played so well against Arsenal? Wednesday are an improving team, they had 7 different players on the park from those we faced at the Amex, but they are not Arsenal, so why the changes. VegasSeagull

1:50pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

the taffster wrote:
upson has always been a liability wherever hes played.slow.i cant see hes any better than dunk whos also suspect.gus,s management skills are poor.i can see dobbie fitting in well at cp like murray has.but neither were in gus,s plans.new manager please.
You may have a point about Dobbie and Murray taffster.But anyone with half a brain really knows Gus wanted the Dutch lad deep down.The thing is the club wouldn't take the chance and spend the money on a player for the future at the time.You can't blame Gus for that.If Upson was still a top player he would have played more than two games for Stoke this season.Also a prem-league team would have taken him on loan.But that doesn't mean he can't do a ok job in the championship for half a season.Like i said mths ago we are not Man U or a Chelsea.There was going to come a point where TB said there is know more money.We got Leo as soon as we got the money for Grant Hall from Spurs.The only way the club can move forward is to get all the freeloading nightclub drunks off the wage bill first.Lets not forget what some of these players get upto away from the club can also upset the rest of the squad.We should do what Peterborough did with their 4 players.If you do nothing it makes other players think its ok.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: upson has always been a liability wherever hes played.slow.i cant see hes any better than dunk whos also suspect.gus,s management skills are poor.i can see dobbie fitting in well at cp like murray has.but neither were in gus,s plans.new manager please.[/p][/quote]You may have a point about Dobbie and Murray taffster.But anyone with half a brain really knows Gus wanted the Dutch lad deep down.The thing is the club wouldn't take the chance and spend the money on a player for the future at the time.You can't blame Gus for that.If Upson was still a top player he would have played more than two games for Stoke this season.Also a prem-league team would have taken him on loan.But that doesn't mean he can't do a ok job in the championship for half a season.Like i said mths ago we are not Man U or a Chelsea.There was going to come a point where TB said there is know more money.We got Leo as soon as we got the money for Grant Hall from Spurs.The only way the club can move forward is to get all the freeloading nightclub drunks off the wage bill first.Lets not forget what some of these players get upto away from the club can also upset the rest of the squad.We should do what Peterborough did with their 4 players.If you do nothing it makes other players think its ok. Freeloaders

1:59pm Sun 3 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
You have a good balanced view Weploughandmow, but we don't set up to conceed goals? You do mention why our defense was not as strong as it should be for reasons beyond anyones control.
No we don't set up to concede goals but I wonder, do we set up in such a way as to score goals more freely?

There was a time when we were creating so many chances, and scoring so few goals it hurt, where have all those goal scoring chances gone?

It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that our tally of shots, on or off target, has dropped big time over the last 10 or so matches, why?

The team that Poyet put out against Arsenal looked good before a ball was kicked and still looked good when the last ball was kicked, aside from Greer and Ankergren whay change it for Wednesday?
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: You have a good balanced view Weploughandmow, but we don't set up to conceed goals? You do mention why our defense was not as strong as it should be for reasons beyond anyones control.[/p][/quote]No we don't set up to concede goals but I wonder, do we set up in such a way as to score goals more freely? There was a time when we were creating so many chances, and scoring so few goals it hurt, where have all those goal scoring chances gone? It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that our tally of shots, on or off target, has dropped big time over the last 10 or so matches, why? The team that Poyet put out against Arsenal looked good before a ball was kicked and still looked good when the last ball was kicked, aside from Greer and Ankergren whay change it for Wednesday? VegasSeagull

2:04pm Sun 3 Feb 13

fratsomrover says...

Lots of posts reflecting everyone's disappointment at yesterdays result. With every game passing by without a win promotion is receding. We all know we have to win games, Gus included, so we have to play the players capable of scoring goals. It's interesting to see how many of our fellow promotion contenders get so many players forward when they attack. It's easy to see why Cardiff, Palace, Leicester, Watford are doing so well. They attack in numbers and play the game in and around their opponents half & penalty area, not in their own half, like us. Now we have a big centre forward we have to play with wingers to supply him with the ammunition and someone to play off him, like Hoskins/CMS. The next two games are really must win games now, which does increase the pressure, but our tactics to date have brought about this situation. It's the cost of dropping so many points in games we dominated earlier on in the season. Barnes is out of contention so hopefully we can replace him with someone with flair. Maybe, like Sparrow, who we never saw play again after getting red carded, it may be the end of the Barnes episode. He let an entire team/city down yesterday. I'd rather see Buckley, Vicente, Orlandi, Lopez, Hoskins, Dicker, Lua Lua play any day as opposed to him. I hope Upson gets up to speed this week as we need a dominating CB and organiser. Greer was sorely missed and with El Abd looking decidedly dodgy over the past three weeks, the defence is not as strong as we believe. I cant help but feel that if El Abd and Co. concentrated on getting the ball instead of manhandling their opponents, we could have avoided at least 2 of their goals yesterday. Not one defender attacked or attempted to play the ball, they were too busy hanging on to their opponents...crazy!
We have enough guile at the club to win games. Vicente, Buckley, Orlandi, Lopez, can both provide and score goals. Let's see a combination of them playing with Ulloah and either Hoskins/CMS
Lots of posts reflecting everyone's disappointment at yesterdays result. With every game passing by without a win promotion is receding. We all know we have to win games, Gus included, so we have to play the players capable of scoring goals. It's interesting to see how many of our fellow promotion contenders get so many players forward when they attack. It's easy to see why Cardiff, Palace, Leicester, Watford are doing so well. They attack in numbers and play the game in and around their opponents half & penalty area, not in their own half, like us. Now we have a big centre forward we have to play with wingers to supply him with the ammunition and someone to play off him, like Hoskins/CMS. The next two games are really must win games now, which does increase the pressure, but our tactics to date have brought about this situation. It's the cost of dropping so many points in games we dominated earlier on in the season. Barnes is out of contention so hopefully we can replace him with someone with flair. Maybe, like Sparrow, who we never saw play again after getting red carded, it may be the end of the Barnes episode. He let an entire team/city down yesterday. I'd rather see Buckley, Vicente, Orlandi, Lopez, Hoskins, Dicker, Lua Lua play any day as opposed to him. I hope Upson gets up to speed this week as we need a dominating CB and organiser. Greer was sorely missed and with El Abd looking decidedly dodgy over the past three weeks, the defence is not as strong as we believe. I cant help but feel that if El Abd and Co. concentrated on getting the ball instead of manhandling their opponents, we could have avoided at least 2 of their goals yesterday. Not one defender attacked or attempted to play the ball, they were too busy hanging on to their opponents...crazy! We have enough guile at the club to win games. Vicente, Buckley, Orlandi, Lopez, can both provide and score goals. Let's see a combination of them playing with Ulloah and either Hoskins/CMS fratsomrover

2:09pm Sun 3 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

FreeLoader one way or another I am sure that you will see players leaving come the summer.
If we get promotion, and that is not looking likely right now, we will need better players. If we don't get promotion we will need better players for a run next year.

My main concern right now is why are our players not delivering. Is it the selections being made, the tactics we employ, a loss of self belief, what is it, perhaps it's a combination of all three but why.

Our performance against Arsenal was top class, we looked like a prem team, how is it that that performance didn't lift the lads ready for Wednesday.

Something is wrong, I don't know what it is but it's something.,
FreeLoader one way or another I am sure that you will see players leaving come the summer. If we get promotion, and that is not looking likely right now, we will need better players. If we don't get promotion we will need better players for a run next year. My main concern right now is why are our players not delivering. Is it the selections being made, the tactics we employ, a loss of self belief, what is it, perhaps it's a combination of all three but why. Our performance against Arsenal was top class, we looked like a prem team, how is it that that performance didn't lift the lads ready for Wednesday. Something is wrong, I don't know what it is but it's something., VegasSeagull

2:17pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

VegasSeagull like me you worked out mths ago Man-U would give palace a very large amount of money for Zaha and then just loan him back to palace.They have spent this amount on the guy because they have done their home work on him.As a player and as person away from the club.Just like Arsenal did with Walcott.After the Arsenal game we had two so called top players out night clubbing telling silly young girls iv just played against Arsenal.You all note how there is know word about Croft now,and nothing in the Argus about his injury.Not that im saying he was one of the players that night.He was not.
VegasSeagull like me you worked out mths ago Man-U would give palace a very large amount of money for Zaha and then just loan him back to palace.They have spent this amount on the guy because they have done their home work on him.As a player and as person away from the club.Just like Arsenal did with Walcott.After the Arsenal game we had two so called top players out night clubbing telling silly young girls iv just played against Arsenal.You all note how there is know word about Croft now,and nothing in the Argus about his injury.Not that im saying he was one of the players that night.He was not. Freeloaders

2:34pm Sun 3 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Freeloader people in all walks of life need a little down time now and then, a couple of players bragging about playing Arsenal is not the problem. Two players do not represent the actions of a squad of 25+ players.

Man U an dlcubs like them invest in the future but Brighton are moving in that direction, it will take time.

It's today I am worried about, where has our form gone, where have Buckley's goals gone. What has happened to our once so solid defense, and I am not just talking about yesterday.

It seems to me that this season is going pear shaped.
Freeloader people in all walks of life need a little down time now and then, a couple of players bragging about playing Arsenal is not the problem. Two players do not represent the actions of a squad of 25+ players. Man U an dlcubs like them invest in the future but Brighton are moving in that direction, it will take time. It's today I am worried about, where has our form gone, where have Buckley's goals gone. What has happened to our once so solid defense, and I am not just talking about yesterday. It seems to me that this season is going pear shaped. VegasSeagull

2:34pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

Anyone that has read you know what this week can see there is a big problem at the club with how the players behave away from the club.We need to deal with it like Peterborough did.You must all see you don't read about this kind of thing at many other clubs,and if you do the clubs deal with it asap.Iv never known a club have so many players go before the courts for drink driving.The thing is the rest of the football world knows about it.Did Southhampton just give Dean Wilkins son a free job when he still worked there?NO.
Anyone that has read you know what this week can see there is a big problem at the club with how the players behave away from the club.We need to deal with it like Peterborough did.You must all see you don't read about this kind of thing at many other clubs,and if you do the clubs deal with it asap.Iv never known a club have so many players go before the courts for drink driving.The thing is the rest of the football world knows about it.Did Southhampton just give Dean Wilkins son a free job when he still worked there?NO. Freeloaders

2:45pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

Thats why Man-U spent all that money on Zaha and not Buckley Vegas.Take it from me if a top club ever think about spending that kind of money on him he will be gone.But at this time they see the same as me.A young player that gets a lot of injurys and loves the night life to much.Im sorry that is a fact everyone.If not Man-U or a big club just like them would just make Brighton a offer like Man-U did for Zaha.
Thats why Man-U spent all that money on Zaha and not Buckley Vegas.Take it from me if a top club ever think about spending that kind of money on him he will be gone.But at this time they see the same as me.A young player that gets a lot of injurys and loves the night life to much.Im sorry that is a fact everyone.If not Man-U or a big club just like them would just make Brighton a offer like Man-U did for Zaha. Freeloaders

2:59pm Sun 3 Feb 13

mikeygit says...

Freeloader/Vegas
Agree with your points. We have the players to perform at the highest level--but they do not. Agree Vegas its a combination of belief, attitude and the way Gus gets them to play. Freeloader---thinkin
g exactly the same, the players need discipline on and off the pitch. Why oh why do these players---who are not on megga money---think they are 'stars'--aledgedly abuse young women, speed in their cars and abuse members of the public at times?? Difficult one, but I would say one court case proved and your out. Like him or not Fergie does not put up with it--nor should any manager. Bertolloni has gone from Man City and good riddance nothing but trouble--manager can now concentrate on FOOTBALL. I beleive now, before its too late, Gus and co should endorce a very strong code of conduct on and off the pitch. Players are ambassadors of the Club---let themselves down and the club. Dunk was once considered to be a potential premiership player---how the mighty fall!!. Are there no members of a fans association at Albion who can discuss these things with the management?? It is a complicated enough job managing a group of young men playing football without having to also deal with any misdemeanors in their private life. Discipline is key. End of rant.
Freeloader/Vegas Agree with your points. We have the players to perform at the highest level--but they do not. Agree Vegas its a combination of belief, attitude and the way Gus gets them to play. Freeloader---thinkin g exactly the same, the players need discipline on and off the pitch. Why oh why do these players---who are not on megga money---think they are 'stars'--aledgedly abuse young women, speed in their cars and abuse members of the public at times?? Difficult one, but I would say one court case proved and your out. Like him or not Fergie does not put up with it--nor should any manager. Bertolloni has gone from Man City and good riddance nothing but trouble--manager can now concentrate on FOOTBALL. I beleive now, before its too late, Gus and co should endorce a very strong code of conduct on and off the pitch. Players are ambassadors of the Club---let themselves down and the club. Dunk was once considered to be a potential premiership player---how the mighty fall!!. Are there no members of a fans association at Albion who can discuss these things with the management?? It is a complicated enough job managing a group of young men playing football without having to also deal with any misdemeanors in their private life. Discipline is key. End of rant. mikeygit

3:01pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

Sorry injuries."That was bad lol." Anyway off out Vegas talk soon if your about.
Sorry injuries."That was bad lol." Anyway off out Vegas talk soon if your about. Freeloaders

3:05pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

mikeygit wrote:
Freeloader/Vegas
Agree with your points. We have the players to perform at the highest level--but they do not. Agree Vegas its a combination of belief, attitude and the way Gus gets them to play. Freeloader---thinkin

g exactly the same, the players need discipline on and off the pitch. Why oh why do these players---who are not on megga money---think they are 'stars'--aledgedly abuse young women, speed in their cars and abuse members of the public at times?? Difficult one, but I would say one court case proved and your out. Like him or not Fergie does not put up with it--nor should any manager. Bertolloni has gone from Man City and good riddance nothing but trouble--manager can now concentrate on FOOTBALL. I beleive now, before its too late, Gus and co should endorce a very strong code of conduct on and off the pitch. Players are ambassadors of the Club---let themselves down and the club. Dunk was once considered to be a potential premiership player---how the mighty fall!!. Are there no members of a fans association at Albion who can discuss these things with the management?? It is a complicated enough job managing a group of young men playing football without having to also deal with any misdemeanors in their private life. Discipline is key. End of rant.
Outstanding post.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Freeloader/Vegas Agree with your points. We have the players to perform at the highest level--but they do not. Agree Vegas its a combination of belief, attitude and the way Gus gets them to play. Freeloader---thinkin g exactly the same, the players need discipline on and off the pitch. Why oh why do these players---who are not on megga money---think they are 'stars'--aledgedly abuse young women, speed in their cars and abuse members of the public at times?? Difficult one, but I would say one court case proved and your out. Like him or not Fergie does not put up with it--nor should any manager. Bertolloni has gone from Man City and good riddance nothing but trouble--manager can now concentrate on FOOTBALL. I beleive now, before its too late, Gus and co should endorce a very strong code of conduct on and off the pitch. Players are ambassadors of the Club---let themselves down and the club. Dunk was once considered to be a potential premiership player---how the mighty fall!!. Are there no members of a fans association at Albion who can discuss these things with the management?? It is a complicated enough job managing a group of young men playing football without having to also deal with any misdemeanors in their private life. Discipline is key. End of rant.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post. Freeloaders

3:11pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Baldseagull says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Anyone that has read you know what this week can see there is a big problem at the club with how the players behave away from the club.We need to deal with it like Peterborough did.You must all see you don't read about this kind of thing at many other clubs,and if you do the clubs deal with it asap.Iv never known a club have so many players go before the courts for drink driving.The thing is the rest of the football world knows about it.Did Southhampton just give Dean Wilkins son a free job when he still worked there?NO.
Arsegravy. As usual.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Anyone that has read you know what this week can see there is a big problem at the club with how the players behave away from the club.We need to deal with it like Peterborough did.You must all see you don't read about this kind of thing at many other clubs,and if you do the clubs deal with it asap.Iv never known a club have so many players go before the courts for drink driving.The thing is the rest of the football world knows about it.Did Southhampton just give Dean Wilkins son a free job when he still worked there?NO.[/p][/quote]Arsegravy. As usual. Baldseagull

3:17pm Sun 3 Feb 13

brightonup says...

It's true that the club need to clamp down on bad behaviour 'on the town'. Identifying the ringleader/s and giving them a final ultimatum would probably go some way to curbing it.
That is not the only issue though; keeping eleven players on the pitch for the whole match would help! I cannot help thinking we would have got something against Wednesday if we had the full team for 90 minutes.....
It's true that the club need to clamp down on bad behaviour 'on the town'. Identifying the ringleader/s and giving them a final ultimatum would probably go some way to curbing it. That is not the only issue though; keeping eleven players on the pitch for the whole match would help! I cannot help thinking we would have got something against Wednesday if we had the full team for 90 minutes..... brightonup

3:29pm Sun 3 Feb 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Freeloader people in all walks of life need a little down time now and then, a couple of players bragging about playing Arsenal is not the problem. Two players do not represent the actions of a squad of 25+ players.

Man U an dlcubs like them invest in the future but Brighton are moving in that direction, it will take time.

It's today I am worried about, where has our form gone, where have Buckley's goals gone. What has happened to our once so solid defense, and I am not just talking about yesterday.

It seems to me that this season is going pear shaped.
You know what's wrong Vegas - but up until now you've been slaughtering others who saw it a long time ago. You have a manager who is constantly touting himself with the assistance of his very active agent around any so called 'big' clubs. Do you honestly think the players don't get to see through this.

Does anyone actually believe that the Chelsea hierarchy are considering appointing Gus as their new manager when he hasn't done a thing to speak of. So how come the odds have been slashed with certain bookies????

Think, think, think - don't simply swallow BS served up by less than competent media men.

I was there yesterday as usual and I've never seen the players quibbling and finger pointing at each other like yesterday. I was right in front of Barnes' incident and it was 'thuggish' - a bit representative of the staff's behaviour. Then there was zero concentration from the resulting free kick - a second goal and the blame game began.

What made matters even worse were a large number of our supporters behaving like thugs as well. Old men and some women too together with young kids chanting like animals 'The referees' a bald headed w*****' and people wonder why refs don't give us anything from then on.

Having a fabulous stadium, a generous and genuine supporter as owner and chairman doesn't, and will never, make a great football club. A great football club is created by having decent people with principles in charge. No surprise at Dobbie's comments re his transfer once it was confirmed as a permanent deal and he knew he wasn't coming back.

Newcastle supporters, some of the best and most knowing in the game - collectively ran Gus' big mate, Denis Wise, right out of town - double quick - they recognised what he was about - and Gus was his side kick at two clubs. Birds of a feather and all that.

Gus' interviews tell so much but what tells even more is what happens on the pitch and the question you are starting to ask will be answered - it's only a matter of time.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Freeloader people in all walks of life need a little down time now and then, a couple of players bragging about playing Arsenal is not the problem. Two players do not represent the actions of a squad of 25+ players. Man U an dlcubs like them invest in the future but Brighton are moving in that direction, it will take time. It's today I am worried about, where has our form gone, where have Buckley's goals gone. What has happened to our once so solid defense, and I am not just talking about yesterday. It seems to me that this season is going pear shaped.[/p][/quote]You know what's wrong Vegas - but up until now you've been slaughtering others who saw it a long time ago. You have a manager who is constantly touting himself with the assistance of his very active agent around any so called 'big' clubs. Do you honestly think the players don't get to see through this. Does anyone actually believe that the Chelsea hierarchy are considering appointing Gus as their new manager when he hasn't done a thing to speak of. So how come the odds have been slashed with certain bookies???? Think, think, think - don't simply swallow BS served up by less than competent media men. I was there yesterday as usual and I've never seen the players quibbling and finger pointing at each other like yesterday. I was right in front of Barnes' incident and it was 'thuggish' - a bit representative of the staff's behaviour. Then there was zero concentration from the resulting free kick - a second goal and the blame game began. What made matters even worse were a large number of our supporters behaving like thugs as well. Old men and some women too together with young kids chanting like animals 'The referees' a bald headed w*****' and people wonder why refs don't give us anything from then on. Having a fabulous stadium, a generous and genuine supporter as owner and chairman doesn't, and will never, make a great football club. A great football club is created by having decent people with principles in charge. No surprise at Dobbie's comments re his transfer once it was confirmed as a permanent deal and he knew he wasn't coming back. Newcastle supporters, some of the best and most knowing in the game - collectively ran Gus' big mate, Denis Wise, right out of town - double quick - they recognised what he was about - and Gus was his side kick at two clubs. Birds of a feather and all that. Gus' interviews tell so much but what tells even more is what happens on the pitch and the question you are starting to ask will be answered - it's only a matter of time. WisdomSpeaks

3:49pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Far gull says...

Wisdom . Could you enlighton me on dobbie's comments? Please.
Wisdom . Could you enlighton me on dobbie's comments? Please. Far gull

3:58pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
You have a good balanced view Weploughandmow, but we don't set up to conceed goals? You do mention why our defense was not as strong as it should be for reasons beyond anyones control.
No we don't set up to concede goals but I wonder, do we set up in such a way as to score goals more freely?

There was a time when we were creating so many chances, and scoring so few goals it hurt, where have all those goal scoring chances gone?

It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that our tally of shots, on or off target, has dropped big time over the last 10 or so matches, why?

The team that Poyet put out against Arsenal looked good before a ball was kicked and still looked good when the last ball was kicked, aside from Greer and Ankergren whay change it for Wednesday?
The only change apart from Casper and Greer was Buckley, who is injured?

Buckley was replaced with Orlandi, I don't see the problem. I'd have done the same thing.

Apart from the 2 forced changes and Casper it was exactly the same.

The only thing we got wrong was going down to 10 men and it spoilt the potential of Ulloa's league debut.

Let's play the next few games with Ulloa playing with all his team mates for 90 mins, we cannot go by yesterday’s game. It is irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: You have a good balanced view Weploughandmow, but we don't set up to conceed goals? You do mention why our defense was not as strong as it should be for reasons beyond anyones control.[/p][/quote]No we don't set up to concede goals but I wonder, do we set up in such a way as to score goals more freely? There was a time when we were creating so many chances, and scoring so few goals it hurt, where have all those goal scoring chances gone? It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that our tally of shots, on or off target, has dropped big time over the last 10 or so matches, why? The team that Poyet put out against Arsenal looked good before a ball was kicked and still looked good when the last ball was kicked, aside from Greer and Ankergren whay change it for Wednesday?[/p][/quote]The only change apart from Casper and Greer was Buckley, who is injured? Buckley was replaced with Orlandi, I don't see the problem. I'd have done the same thing. Apart from the 2 forced changes and Casper it was exactly the same. The only thing we got wrong was going down to 10 men and it spoilt the potential of Ulloa's league debut. Let's play the next few games with Ulloa playing with all his team mates for 90 mins, we cannot go by yesterday’s game. It is irrelevant. Hovite

5:17pm Sun 3 Feb 13

WisdomSpeaks says...

Far gull wrote:
Wisdom . Could you enlighton me on dobbie's comments? Please.
Far gull it was a piece I read in a local paper - I copy it here....
Quote:
By Richard Cawley
STEPHEN Dobbie could not refuse the chance to work with Ian Holloway again after joining Crystal Palace from Brighton.

The 30-year-old was a deadline day mover as he arrived on an emergency loan with a view to a permanent deal in July.

Dobbie has twice played under Holloway during his tenure at Blackpool.

Dobbie said: "He gets players playing for him, and he's a great man and motivator. I just enjoyed working with him every day."

It's the way players say something about their previous manager without actually saying it but it translates as

"Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day"

That was clear very early on to me. I see that Poyet either has weaker minded players who don't question him or Spanish speakers who he feels more aligned with. To me it's obvious the ones who fall into the category of having a bit of experience and knowing their own mind are:- Murray, Dobbie, Hoskins, Harley and even Wood despite being quite young. He is a Kiwi and as a nation they don't suffer fools gladly. I also think the Man City loan players worked him out pretty quickly.

Sadly, I think Gus has reached his level in Div 1. His nick name as a player was 'The Radio' - that might seem funny as a joke from fellow players - but it's not exactly a compliment.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Wisdom . Could you enlighton me on dobbie's comments? Please.[/p][/quote]Far gull it was a piece I read in a local paper - I copy it here.... Quote: By Richard Cawley STEPHEN Dobbie could not refuse the chance to work with Ian Holloway again after joining Crystal Palace from Brighton. The 30-year-old was a deadline day mover as he arrived on an emergency loan with a view to a permanent deal in July. Dobbie has twice played under Holloway during his tenure at Blackpool. Dobbie said: "He gets players playing for him, and he's a great man and motivator. I just enjoyed working with him every day." It's the way players say something about their previous manager without actually saying it but it translates as "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" That was clear very early on to me. I see that Poyet either has weaker minded players who don't question him or Spanish speakers who he feels more aligned with. To me it's obvious the ones who fall into the category of having a bit of experience and knowing their own mind are:- Murray, Dobbie, Hoskins, Harley and even Wood despite being quite young. He is a Kiwi and as a nation they don't suffer fools gladly. I also think the Man City loan players worked him out pretty quickly. Sadly, I think Gus has reached his level in Div 1. His nick name as a player was 'The Radio' - that might seem funny as a joke from fellow players - but it's not exactly a compliment. WisdomSpeaks

6:02pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hovite says...

You blow hot and cold and change like the weather WS, hate Gus one week, praise him the next, hate him again this week.

Did you not notice, we had a player sent off yesterday.

In your made up world you would interpret Dobbies talk of Holloway as;

"Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day"

More like Norman Wisdom than Speaks.

Complete joke
You blow hot and cold and change like the weather WS, hate Gus one week, praise him the next, hate him again this week. Did you not notice, we had a player sent off yesterday. In your made up world you would interpret Dobbies talk of Holloway as; "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" More like Norman Wisdom than Speaks. Complete joke Hovite

7:00pm Sun 3 Feb 13

mikeygit says...

My final piece on the subject is, that The management have to get the basics right, and that is not just the football. They have to manage in a way that the players will 'die for Gus' to get results, they have to behave like mature men and not like arrogant celebrities--which they certainly are not-celebrities that is--they can let their hair down responsibly IF they ever achieve anything--you get players who are problems off the pitch and it spreads bad feeling throughout the Club, including us supporters. Somebody needs to have a would in the managements 'shell like' to turn things around before it gets out of hand. The more responsible players should be given the task of mentoring the 'young guns' and bring them down to earth. Football world is a ruthless one and a relatively short one, but some of these young guys are shooting themselves in the foot--PLease guys do not do a Joey Bartonor the likes of him.
My final piece on the subject is, that The management have to get the basics right, and that is not just the football. They have to manage in a way that the players will 'die for Gus' to get results, they have to behave like mature men and not like arrogant celebrities--which they certainly are not-celebrities that is--they can let their hair down responsibly IF they ever achieve anything--you get players who are problems off the pitch and it spreads bad feeling throughout the Club, including us supporters. Somebody needs to have a would in the managements 'shell like' to turn things around before it gets out of hand. The more responsible players should be given the task of mentoring the 'young guns' and bring them down to earth. Football world is a ruthless one and a relatively short one, but some of these young guys are shooting themselves in the foot--PLease guys do not do a Joey Bartonor the likes of him. mikeygit

1:11am Mon 4 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM
Murray, IMHO, is top of this list purely because that lot have 2 very quick wingers endlessly putting balls into the box. By the law of averages, by putting the ball in the box so much, it's bound to drop to the centre forward a fair few times. Doesn't mean it's pretty or necessarily make the team better as a whole. And definitely doesn't mean that said player would be scoring the same number in a different team. If they offered Murray pittance to stay, it was too much. Was pleased to see him leave and still am. Just my opinion of course. No coincidence for me that the slow, lazy Murray was replaced by exactly the opposite in CMS.

As for discipline, obviously in a perfect world, you'd have all the players tucked up in bed by 9pm every night but this isn't realistic. Every single club in the country will have players, mainly younger ones, committing misdemeanours. Just the same as younger people in any line of work do. It's just that if a footballer makes a mistake, it's apparently newsworthy. Plus, they have to suffer a load hangers on waiting on them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. As long as they are able to train and play at 100%, I don't have an interest as to what they do in their free time.

Somewhere in the thread someone asked if the powerful midfielder would still be a good addition. Yes, definitely. Think there will be comings and goings in the summer wherever we end up but this type of player would always be a welcome addition.
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM[/p][/quote]Murray, IMHO, is top of this list purely because that lot have 2 very quick wingers endlessly putting balls into the box. By the law of averages, by putting the ball in the box so much, it's bound to drop to the centre forward a fair few times. Doesn't mean it's pretty or necessarily make the team better as a whole. And definitely doesn't mean that said player would be scoring the same number in a different team. If they offered Murray pittance to stay, it was too much. Was pleased to see him leave and still am. Just my opinion of course. No coincidence for me that the slow, lazy Murray was replaced by exactly the opposite in CMS. As for discipline, obviously in a perfect world, you'd have all the players tucked up in bed by 9pm every night but this isn't realistic. Every single club in the country will have players, mainly younger ones, committing misdemeanours. Just the same as younger people in any line of work do. It's just that if a footballer makes a mistake, it's apparently newsworthy. Plus, they have to suffer a load hangers on waiting on them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. As long as they are able to train and play at 100%, I don't have an interest as to what they do in their free time. Somewhere in the thread someone asked if the powerful midfielder would still be a good addition. Yes, definitely. Think there will be comings and goings in the summer wherever we end up but this type of player would always be a welcome addition. WestStander17

1:20am Mon 4 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

Hovite wrote:
You blow hot and cold and change like the weather WS, hate Gus one week, praise him the next, hate him again this week. Did you not notice, we had a player sent off yesterday. In your made up world you would interpret Dobbies talk of Holloway as; "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" More like Norman Wisdom than Speaks. Complete joke
Agree, Hovite.

Amazing translation! Dobbie did do well under Holloway before so that statement is true as it is. It doesn't require any translation! Dobbie was hardly going to turn up at P*l*ce saying he had gone there because he wasn't able to get a look in at Brighton, was he?!
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: You blow hot and cold and change like the weather WS, hate Gus one week, praise him the next, hate him again this week. Did you not notice, we had a player sent off yesterday. In your made up world you would interpret Dobbies talk of Holloway as; "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" More like Norman Wisdom than Speaks. Complete joke[/p][/quote]Agree, Hovite. Amazing translation! Dobbie did do well under Holloway before so that statement is true as it is. It doesn't require any translation! Dobbie was hardly going to turn up at P*l*ce saying he had gone there because he wasn't able to get a look in at Brighton, was he?! WestStander17

2:56am Mon 4 Feb 13

the taffster says...

Hovite wrote:
We were at a disadvantage yesterday with a make shift defense and El Abd switching to RCB to make way for Upson.

The starting 11 was well balanced to accommodate our patched up defense and we had good options from the bench.

We started well and all was going to plan until Barnes got sent off.

All this rubbish about a 442 formation, tactics and who should have played goes straight out the window if you are down 10 men for 65 mins.

If all of us who post on here posted one players name, who we insist should play, we would have 16 in the staring 11. Barnes let the team down, Gus was left fuming over the tackle, and Barnes will probably be out of contention for longer than 3 games because of this.

Yesterday’s game was not the game to say we should have done this, that or the other, because it is blooming obvious why we lost. I am looking forward to the first league game with Ulloa playing alongside a full team and not 89% of one.
we must have a squad of 40 players or more.i cant believe not one of them can play centre back.wheres the developmt team c,back when you need him?
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: We were at a disadvantage yesterday with a make shift defense and El Abd switching to RCB to make way for Upson. The starting 11 was well balanced to accommodate our patched up defense and we had good options from the bench. We started well and all was going to plan until Barnes got sent off. All this rubbish about a 442 formation, tactics and who should have played goes straight out the window if you are down 10 men for 65 mins. If all of us who post on here posted one players name, who we insist should play, we would have 16 in the staring 11. Barnes let the team down, Gus was left fuming over the tackle, and Barnes will probably be out of contention for longer than 3 games because of this. Yesterday’s game was not the game to say we should have done this, that or the other, because it is blooming obvious why we lost. I am looking forward to the first league game with Ulloa playing alongside a full team and not 89% of one.[/p][/quote]we must have a squad of 40 players or more.i cant believe not one of them can play centre back.wheres the developmt team c,back when you need him? the taffster

10:13am Mon 4 Feb 13

gusset snatcher says...

WestStander17 wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote:
championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM
Murray, IMHO, is top of this list purely because that lot have 2 very quick wingers endlessly putting balls into the box. By the law of averages, by putting the ball in the box so much, it's bound to drop to the centre forward a fair few times. Doesn't mean it's pretty or necessarily make the team better as a whole. And definitely doesn't mean that said player would be scoring the same number in a different team. If they offered Murray pittance to stay, it was too much. Was pleased to see him leave and still am. Just my opinion of course. No coincidence for me that the slow, lazy Murray was replaced by exactly the opposite in CMS.

As for discipline, obviously in a perfect world, you'd have all the players tucked up in bed by 9pm every night but this isn't realistic. Every single club in the country will have players, mainly younger ones, committing misdemeanours. Just the same as younger people in any line of work do. It's just that if a footballer makes a mistake, it's apparently newsworthy. Plus, they have to suffer a load hangers on waiting on them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. As long as they are able to train and play at 100%, I don't have an interest as to what they do in their free time.

Somewhere in the thread someone asked if the powerful midfielder would still be a good addition. Yes, definitely. Think there will be comings and goings in the summer wherever we end up but this type of player would always be a welcome addition.
you know nothing about football. keep your worthless opinions to yourself, i didn't read the rest of the drivel you wrote after the 1st sentence so don't waste your time
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM[/p][/quote]Murray, IMHO, is top of this list purely because that lot have 2 very quick wingers endlessly putting balls into the box. By the law of averages, by putting the ball in the box so much, it's bound to drop to the centre forward a fair few times. Doesn't mean it's pretty or necessarily make the team better as a whole. And definitely doesn't mean that said player would be scoring the same number in a different team. If they offered Murray pittance to stay, it was too much. Was pleased to see him leave and still am. Just my opinion of course. No coincidence for me that the slow, lazy Murray was replaced by exactly the opposite in CMS. As for discipline, obviously in a perfect world, you'd have all the players tucked up in bed by 9pm every night but this isn't realistic. Every single club in the country will have players, mainly younger ones, committing misdemeanours. Just the same as younger people in any line of work do. It's just that if a footballer makes a mistake, it's apparently newsworthy. Plus, they have to suffer a load hangers on waiting on them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. As long as they are able to train and play at 100%, I don't have an interest as to what they do in their free time. Somewhere in the thread someone asked if the powerful midfielder would still be a good addition. Yes, definitely. Think there will be comings and goings in the summer wherever we end up but this type of player would always be a welcome addition.[/p][/quote]you know nothing about football. keep your worthless opinions to yourself, i didn't read the rest of the drivel you wrote after the 1st sentence so don't waste your time gusset snatcher

10:22am Mon 4 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote: championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM
Murray, IMHO, is top of this list purely because that lot have 2 very quick wingers endlessly putting balls into the box. By the law of averages, by putting the ball in the box so much, it's bound to drop to the centre forward a fair few times. Doesn't mean it's pretty or necessarily make the team better as a whole. And definitely doesn't mean that said player would be scoring the same number in a different team. If they offered Murray pittance to stay, it was too much. Was pleased to see him leave and still am. Just my opinion of course. No coincidence for me that the slow, lazy Murray was replaced by exactly the opposite in CMS. As for discipline, obviously in a perfect world, you'd have all the players tucked up in bed by 9pm every night but this isn't realistic. Every single club in the country will have players, mainly younger ones, committing misdemeanours. Just the same as younger people in any line of work do. It's just that if a footballer makes a mistake, it's apparently newsworthy. Plus, they have to suffer a load hangers on waiting on them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. As long as they are able to train and play at 100%, I don't have an interest as to what they do in their free time. Somewhere in the thread someone asked if the powerful midfielder would still be a good addition. Yes, definitely. Think there will be comings and goings in the summer wherever we end up but this type of player would always be a welcome addition.
you know nothing about football. keep your worthless opinions to yourself, i didn't read the rest of the drivel you wrote after the 1st sentence so don't waste your time
Just not a Murray fan, I'm afraid. Nothing bitter about it, I can totally honestly say I wasn't a fan of his when he played for us either. He just never did it for me. Just my opinion. I know others still wish we'd kept him. I just don't agree. Good luck to him. Nothing against him personally, just never liked him as a player. Sorry! :-)
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: championship scorers 1.Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 24 2Jordan RhodesBlackburn 20 3Charlie Austin Burnley 20 4Matej Vydra Watford 19 5Chris Wood Leicester City 16 6Thomas InceBlackpool 16 7Luciano Becchio Leeds 15 8 David Nugent Leicester 14 9 Marlon King Birmingham 13 10 Troy Deeney Watford 12 11 Craig Mackail-Smith Bright on & Hove Albion 11 The second goal Murray scored yesterday was absolute class. Gusset doesn't know a good player when he's got him and is not truthful about the reasons he let him go. Time for you to go Gusset, u had your chance, pack your bags and sweep the dirt out of your office. Go now.... and good riddance....... IGWAM[/p][/quote]Murray, IMHO, is top of this list purely because that lot have 2 very quick wingers endlessly putting balls into the box. By the law of averages, by putting the ball in the box so much, it's bound to drop to the centre forward a fair few times. Doesn't mean it's pretty or necessarily make the team better as a whole. And definitely doesn't mean that said player would be scoring the same number in a different team. If they offered Murray pittance to stay, it was too much. Was pleased to see him leave and still am. Just my opinion of course. No coincidence for me that the slow, lazy Murray was replaced by exactly the opposite in CMS. As for discipline, obviously in a perfect world, you'd have all the players tucked up in bed by 9pm every night but this isn't realistic. Every single club in the country will have players, mainly younger ones, committing misdemeanours. Just the same as younger people in any line of work do. It's just that if a footballer makes a mistake, it's apparently newsworthy. Plus, they have to suffer a load hangers on waiting on them to make mistakes and take advantage of them. As long as they are able to train and play at 100%, I don't have an interest as to what they do in their free time. Somewhere in the thread someone asked if the powerful midfielder would still be a good addition. Yes, definitely. Think there will be comings and goings in the summer wherever we end up but this type of player would always be a welcome addition.[/p][/quote]you know nothing about football. keep your worthless opinions to yourself, i didn't read the rest of the drivel you wrote after the 1st sentence so don't waste your time[/p][/quote]Just not a Murray fan, I'm afraid. Nothing bitter about it, I can totally honestly say I wasn't a fan of his when he played for us either. He just never did it for me. Just my opinion. I know others still wish we'd kept him. I just don't agree. Good luck to him. Nothing against him personally, just never liked him as a player. Sorry! :-) WestStander17

12:52pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Hovite says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
You blow hot and cold and change like the weather WS, hate Gus one week, praise him the next, hate him again this week. Did you not notice, we had a player sent off yesterday. In your made up world you would interpret Dobbies talk of Holloway as; "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" More like Norman Wisdom than Speaks. Complete joke
Agree, Hovite.

Amazing translation! Dobbie did do well under Holloway before so that statement is true as it is. It doesn't require any translation! Dobbie was hardly going to turn up at P*l*ce saying he had gone there because he wasn't able to get a look in at Brighton, was he?!
It's amazing the effort some go to to write a pathetic comment. Really don't know what the motivation is.

Maybe this poster really thinks like this in their real life?

The irony of it all is is all in the name ;o)
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: You blow hot and cold and change like the weather WS, hate Gus one week, praise him the next, hate him again this week. Did you not notice, we had a player sent off yesterday. In your made up world you would interpret Dobbies talk of Holloway as; "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" More like Norman Wisdom than Speaks. Complete joke[/p][/quote]Agree, Hovite. Amazing translation! Dobbie did do well under Holloway before so that statement is true as it is. It doesn't require any translation! Dobbie was hardly going to turn up at P*l*ce saying he had gone there because he wasn't able to get a look in at Brighton, was he?![/p][/quote]It's amazing the effort some go to to write a pathetic comment. Really don't know what the motivation is. Maybe this poster really thinks like this in their real life? The irony of it all is is all in the name ;o) Hovite

5:31pm Mon 4 Feb 13

GosportGull says...

I would like to see Ulloa and CMS play upfront together , Vicente in midfield with Orlandi and either Crofts,Hammond,Bridc
utt or Dicker and Hoskins playing just behind front two as the link up man supplying and holding for front two ... I know it wont happen Gus would never be as bold and aggresive as that ..but in my head i think it would work ... Then bring on Buckley or Lua Lua in second half to blister down wings when defenders are tiring ... But what do i know !

I still think David should retain his place at R/B ... as much as i like Caldy , i think Lopez is better ... The defence just need to work a bit harder at getting closer and stopping the supply of crosses in from wide ... have to make up for the lack of height somehow .... Onwards and upwards .. UTA GG
I would like to see Ulloa and CMS play upfront together , Vicente in midfield with Orlandi and either Crofts,Hammond,Bridc utt or Dicker and Hoskins playing just behind front two as the link up man supplying and holding for front two ... I know it wont happen Gus would never be as bold and aggresive as that ..but in my head i think it would work ... Then bring on Buckley or Lua Lua in second half to blister down wings when defenders are tiring ... But what do i know ! I still think David should retain his place at R/B ... as much as i like Caldy , i think Lopez is better ... The defence just need to work a bit harder at getting closer and stopping the supply of crosses in from wide ... have to make up for the lack of height somehow .... Onwards and upwards .. UTA GG GosportGull

11:46pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Baldseagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Wisdom . Could you enlighton me on dobbie's comments? Please.
Far gull it was a piece I read in a local paper - I copy it here....
Quote:
By Richard Cawley
STEPHEN Dobbie could not refuse the chance to work with Ian Holloway again after joining Crystal Palace from Brighton.

The 30-year-old was a deadline day mover as he arrived on an emergency loan with a view to a permanent deal in July.

Dobbie has twice played under Holloway during his tenure at Blackpool.

Dobbie said: "He gets players playing for him, and he's a great man and motivator. I just enjoyed working with him every day."

It's the way players say something about their previous manager without actually saying it but it translates as

"Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day"

That was clear very early on to me. I see that Poyet either has weaker minded players who don't question him or Spanish speakers who he feels more aligned with. To me it's obvious the ones who fall into the category of having a bit of experience and knowing their own mind are:- Murray, Dobbie, Hoskins, Harley and even Wood despite being quite young. He is a Kiwi and as a nation they don't suffer fools gladly. I also think the Man City loan players worked him out pretty quickly.

Sadly, I think Gus has reached his level in Div 1. His nick name as a player was 'The Radio' - that might seem funny as a joke from fellow players - but it's not exactly a compliment.
LMFAO!
"Dobbie says,Translates as" could be a new feature.

Dobbie says "I am pleased to have joined Palace"
Translates as "That Wisdom speaks bloke is a Berk"

Weaker minded players and Spanish speakers, quality.
I can see them all now licking the windows of the team bus and falling about like Manuel from Fawlty Towers.
Whilst Murray and Dobbie discuss Quantum Theory and do The Times crossword on the Palace Bus.

"The Radio" may not be a complimentary nick name, but I bet yours is worse.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Wisdom . Could you enlighton me on dobbie's comments? Please.[/p][/quote]Far gull it was a piece I read in a local paper - I copy it here.... Quote: By Richard Cawley STEPHEN Dobbie could not refuse the chance to work with Ian Holloway again after joining Crystal Palace from Brighton. The 30-year-old was a deadline day mover as he arrived on an emergency loan with a view to a permanent deal in July. Dobbie has twice played under Holloway during his tenure at Blackpool. Dobbie said: "He gets players playing for him, and he's a great man and motivator. I just enjoyed working with him every day." It's the way players say something about their previous manager without actually saying it but it translates as "Poyet doesn't get players playing for him and he's not a great man or motivator. I just didn't enjoy working with him every day" That was clear very early on to me. I see that Poyet either has weaker minded players who don't question him or Spanish speakers who he feels more aligned with. To me it's obvious the ones who fall into the category of having a bit of experience and knowing their own mind are:- Murray, Dobbie, Hoskins, Harley and even Wood despite being quite young. He is a Kiwi and as a nation they don't suffer fools gladly. I also think the Man City loan players worked him out pretty quickly. Sadly, I think Gus has reached his level in Div 1. His nick name as a player was 'The Radio' - that might seem funny as a joke from fellow players - but it's not exactly a compliment.[/p][/quote]LMFAO! "Dobbie says,Translates as" could be a new feature. Dobbie says "I am pleased to have joined Palace" Translates as "That Wisdom speaks bloke is a Berk" Weaker minded players and Spanish speakers, quality. I can see them all now licking the windows of the team bus and falling about like Manuel from Fawlty Towers. Whilst Murray and Dobbie discuss Quantum Theory and do The Times crossword on the Palace Bus. "The Radio" may not be a complimentary nick name, but I bet yours is worse. Baldseagull

5:50pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Captain Haddock says...

Top quality! Made me laugh.
Top quality! Made me laugh. Captain Haddock

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