Poyet cool about Albion red cards (From The Argus)

I am afraid condoning Barnes reckless and totally unnecessary tackle early in the match is just not on. Not the first time with Barnes and the manager does need to change him he does have a nasty streak in him,to say he doesnt want him to change,is I am afraid a weakness.
As for Oatway well he is the same every week on the touchline I sit very close to the dugout and continual questioning and agressiveness to 4th officials does Albion no good.
Sparrow and Vincelot both got reds and never played again,that won't happen to Barnes of course.

Neville wrote:
I am afraid condoning Barnes reckless and totally unnecessary tackle early in the match is just not on. Not the first time with Barnes and the manager does need to change him he does have a nasty streak in him,to say he doesnt want him to change,is I am afraid a weakness.
As for Oatway well he is the same every week on the touchline I sit very close to the dugout and continual questioning and agressiveness to 4th officials does Albion no good.
Sparrow and Vincelot both got reds and never played again,that won't happen to Barnes of course.

Certainly hope it doesn't happen to Barnes, our form player and form goalscorer before the sending off.

Seagull John wrote:

Neville wrote:
I am afraid condoning Barnes reckless and totally unnecessary tackle early in the match is just not on. Not the first time with Barnes and the manager does need to change him he does have a nasty streak in him,to say he doesnt want him to change,is I am afraid a weakness.
As for Oatway well he is the same every week on the touchline I sit very close to the dugout and continual questioning and agressiveness to 4th officials does Albion no good.
Sparrow and Vincelot both got reds and never played again,that won't happen to Barnes of course.

Certainly hope it doesn't happen to Barnes, our form player and form goalscorer before the sending off.

He had a rash tackle, that's it, lets move on to Saturday, get three points, we lost a game. So what?

B rian Tawses left foot says...
7:42am Mon 4 Feb 13

Baldseagull says...
3:11pm Sun 3 Feb 13


Freeloaders wrote:
Anyone that has read you know what this week can see there is a big problem at the club with how the players behave away from the club.We need to deal with it like Peterborough did.You must all see you don't read about this kind of thing at many other clubs,and if you do the clubs deal with it asap.Iv never known a club have so many players go before the courts for drink driving.The thing is the rest of the football world knows about it.Did Southhampton just give Dean Wilkins son a free job when he still worked there?NO.
Arsegravy. As usual.”

Absolutely - 'Freeloader' is none other than the deliciously ironically named 'Never wrong Dave'. You will remember of course that when Mark McGhee was at the club he met good old 'never wrong' at a petrol station and quickly given a comprehensive run down on the club's internal situation. Well that's about as credible as his pet theory that rich parents pay the club to take their sons on as youth trainees. So remind me again - how does this benefit the club? Bearing in mind that the club would have to pay wages to the players and end up with a totally unproductive youth set up.”

Neville wrote:
I am afraid condoning Barnes reckless and totally unnecessary tackle early in the match is just not on. Not the first time with Barnes and the manager does need to change him he does have a nasty streak in him,to say he doesnt want him to change,is I am afraid a weakness.
As for Oatway well he is the same every week on the touchline I sit very close to the dugout and continual questioning and agressiveness to 4th officials does Albion no good.
Sparrow and Vincelot both got reds and never played again,that won't happen to Barnes of course.

Good job then that Gus didn't condone Barnes's actions - what he did was stop short of condemning them (which would have made him a hypocrite).

Now Dean Wilkins has been dumped by Saints i think he would be good for our coaching team.He was doing a good job as Manager before a new man took over.

As for Barnes he had retaliated moments earlier ,he should have been taken off as it was a red card waiting to happen,he let the team and the fans down,the game was up after that card.

Not the first time? When was the last time he was sent off after losing his temper and lunging in recklessly?

His only other red card with us was v Burnley last season when he was harshly judged to have lunged in. Everyone in the stadium initially thought the Burnley player was getting the red card for his two footed lunge/throat grab. BBC and Sky reporters were surprised that Barnes was sent off and not the Burnley player. It was an attempt to win a loose ball, not a moment of madness like saturday.

Yes Barnes sometimes loses focus and the red mist descends, but it's usually just a yellow at most (often he misses everything and the ref waves play on).

This is his first red in such circumstances.

pjwilk wrote:
Now Dean Wilkins has been dumped by Saints i think he would be good for our coaching team.He was doing a good job as Manager before a new man took over.

What? He was a liability as a manager and I don't think we have any vacancies anywhere else.

twonk wrote:

pjwilk wrote:
Now Dean Wilkins has been dumped by Saints i think he would be good for our coaching team.He was doing a good job as Manager before a new man took over.

What? He was a liability as a manager and I don't think we have any vacancies anywhere else.

Not a great manager, perhaps, but an excellent coach. I don't think there are many dissenting voices on that.

On Charlie Oatway, I've been a little surprised how the club indulge him. He's portrayed as a happy chappy with a wisecrack for all occasions but as the first poster wrote, he's seems to have another side to his character - a bit of a poor man's Dennis Wise. Personally all that horse play and banal quips would grate on me. We are beginning to attract better quality players - I bet some of them must wonder just "who is this bloke" when they first get on the training ground.

With apologies to anybody who takes this as me attacking a sacred cow, but what exactly does Charlie Oatway bring to the current set-up? No doubting he was a key contributor as a player, but apart from putting the cones out and overseeing the warm up, it would be interesting to hear what else he does. Would he still have a role to play in the event of us reaching the Premier League or is the stereotypical attack-dog, man of the people, laugh a minute, cheeky chappie image just a bit outdated?

Dr Baldhead wrote:
On Charlie Oatway, I've been a little surprised how the club indulge him. He's portrayed as a happy chappy with a wisecrack for all occasions but as the first poster wrote, he's seems to have another side to his character - a bit of a poor man's Dennis Wise. Personally all that horse play and banal quips would grate on me. We are beginning to attract better quality players - I bet some of them must wonder just "who is this bloke" when they first get on the training ground.

Sorry Dr B I was writing mine when you posted yours. We have the same questions.

Many who post and say when was the last time Barnes got a red--well he has had a lot of Yellows this season and on the brink of game bans--now he has three---yes it happens but it is all about self discipline. We are all humans beings who all react differently to a situation---difficul
t I know but got to learn to turn his back and walk away, rather than getting involved.Maybe if a player gets a red for rash play or violent conduct should get a pay cut for the three matches he cannot play. Barnes actions last saturday not only cost us a player for 65 mins but cost us a goal and maybe the match. But look forward to the next match nothing much can be done about last match other than try and learn. Onwards and upwards--dwell on the future not the past.

Yorkieseagull. Good to see your view - I wondered if I might be whistling in the wind on this one!

Dr Baldhead wrote:
On Charlie Oatway, I've been a little surprised how the club indulge him. He's portrayed as a happy chappy with a wisecrack for all occasions but as the first poster wrote, he's seems to have another side to his character - a bit of a poor man's Dennis Wise. Personally all that horse play and banal quips would grate on me. We are beginning to attract better quality players - I bet some of them must wonder just "who is this bloke" when they first get on the training ground.

A post that nade me chuckle Dr after the disappointment of the weekend.

Neville wrote:
I am afraid condoning Barnes reckless and totally unnecessary tackle early in the match is just not on. Not the first time with Barnes and the manager does need to change him he does have a nasty streak in him,to say he doesnt want him to change,is I am afraid a weakness.
As for Oatway well he is the same every week on the touchline I sit very close to the dugout and continual questioning and agressiveness to 4th officials does Albion no good.
Sparrow and Vincelot both got reds and never played again,that won't happen to Barnes of course.

A Barnes is the top club man and yes head rules heart at times wears club on sleeve and would have him in my side any day just behind Bridcutt ,glad Gus see's it that way because Barnse'y will be there as long as Gus is ,he plays wherever Gus wants and put's a great shift in .
Dont change ASH you are my MAIN MAN .

A bit more brain power all around with the old strikers would help. Why were South Yorkshire Police involved (according to the commentator), although I only saw stewards)? Is that the Leeds hangover?

Barnes for me is very similar to Scholes at Man U when it comes to temperment. The difference between the two is that Scholes is a tad more selective as to where on the park he makes the, 'hard,' tackle. Scholes has a, 'don't mess with me,' persona and I can see Barnes developing in the same way. Barnes, the same as Scoles has picked up yellows, both will never shy out of a tackle and opponents know that.Think back a few years and you might recall how Bremner played, another, 'hard man,' Jimmy Case at Liverpool another.

In today's game I am not sure that these hard men have a role anymore, today the game is more about silky skills and pace. The problem that some players have, and IMHO Barnes is one of them, is that the silky skills and pace of some opponents make some of their tackles look really bad and this is due to the fact that they are a yard too slow.

Barnes is still young and with time he might well learn to evaluate the situation quicker an dmake a better decision as to what to do.

mikeygit wrote:
Many who post and say when was the last time Barnes got a red--well he has had a lot of Yellows this season and on the brink of game bans--now he has three---yes it happens but it is all about self discipline. We are all humans beings who all react differently to a situation---difficul

t I know but got to learn to turn his back and walk away, rather than getting involved.Maybe if a player gets a red for rash play or violent conduct should get a pay cut for the three matches he cannot play. Barnes actions last saturday not only cost us a player for 65 mins but cost us a goal and maybe the match. But look forward to the next match nothing much can be done about last match other than try and learn. Onwards and upwards--dwell on the future not the past.

He has 5. That's fewer yellow cards than El Abd, Hammond, and Bridcutt, - with Bridcutt one yellow away from his second suspension this season due to so many yellow cards. That will, I believe, be a two match ban, meaning Bridcutt will have been suspended for three games if he gets another yellow card before April 10th.

Last season Barnes got a total of 6 yellow cards. Fewer than Greer, Dunk, Navarro, Sparrow, Calderon, and again, Bridcutt - who received 11 yellow cards, being suspended twice for a total of 3 games.


Barnes was rash, and his actions may have cost us something (84 competitive games since we came from behind to win, at a ground we've not won at ever, I'm not sure we would have got anything with him on the pitch). But he is not as bad as people seem to think he is, and certainly is not the worst at the club re: discipline. But, as it's Barnes, some "fans" will take the opportunity to get on his back in ways they don't for other players.

pjwilk wrote:
As for Barnes he had retaliated moments earlier ,he should have been taken off as it was a red card waiting to happen,he let the team and the fans down,the game was up after that card.

The reason why he retaliated is because from the back of the upper tier of the West Stand we saw Prutton go in crudely to foul him which the ref gave a yellow card for. A couple of minutes later he was pushed over by Lee in full view of the linesman who was about 6 feet away on the touchline and completely ignored the foul. Barnes got up and then lunged in on Lee and it was a definite red card offence. In the 2nd half the foul by Pugh on Calderon was just as bad but astonishingly the ref only dished out a yellow which led to the handbags in the dugouts and technical area.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Barnes for me is very similar to Scholes at Man U when it comes to temperment. The difference between the two is that Scholes is a tad more selective as to where on the park he makes the, 'hard,' tackle. Scholes has a, 'don't mess with me,' persona and I can see Barnes developing in the same way. Barnes, the same as Scoles has picked up yellows, both will never shy out of a tackle and opponents know that.Think back a few years and you might recall how Bremner played, another, 'hard man,' Jimmy Case at Liverpool another.

In today's game I am not sure that these hard men have a role anymore, today the game is more about silky skills and pace. The problem that some players have, and IMHO Barnes is one of them, is that the silky skills and pace of some opponents make some of their tackles look really bad and this is due to the fact that they are a yard too slow.

Barnes is still young and with time he might well learn to evaluate the situation quicker an dmake a better decision as to what to do.

Vegas, I think that is the one and only time we'll ever see Ashley Barnes compared to Paul Scholes. I'm no Barnes hater btw - i like him, he makes the absolute best of his ability, but he does have a petulant side.

pjwilk wrote:
Now Dean Wilkins has been dumped by Saints i think he would be good for our coaching team.He was doing a good job as Manager before a new man took over.

never put the clock back

str8outtaDC wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: Barnes for me is very similar to Scholes at Man U when it comes to temperment. The difference between the two is that Scholes is a tad more selective as to where on the park he makes the, 'hard,' tackle. Scholes has a, 'don't mess with me,' persona and I can see Barnes developing in the same way. Barnes, the same as Scoles has picked up yellows, both will never shy out of a tackle and opponents know that.Think back a few years and you might recall how Bremner played, another, 'hard man,' Jimmy Case at Liverpool another. In today's game I am not sure that these hard men have a role anymore, today the game is more about silky skills and pace. The problem that some players have, and IMHO Barnes is one of them, is that the silky skills and pace of some opponents make some of their tackles look really bad and this is due to the fact that they are a yard too slow. Barnes is still young and with time he might well learn to evaluate the situation quicker an dmake a better decision as to what to do.

Vegas, I think that is the one and only time we'll ever see Ashley Barnes compared to Paul Scholes. I'm no Barnes hater btw - i like him, he makes the absolute best of his ability, but he does have a petulant side.

Str8outtaDC

You do understand that I am not talking ability or skills, just temperment or what you might call that petulant side to his game.