Albion warned about Noone threat

1:30pm Tuesday 19th February 2013 in Sport By Andy Naylor

Craig Noone playing for Albion against Cardiff earlier in the season Craig Noone playing for Albion against Cardiff earlier in the season

Albion have been warned of the Vicente-type threat posed by former Seagull Craig Noone at Cardiff tonight.

Coach Charlie Oatway admits it is difficult to know what to expect from the winger sold to the table-topping Welshmen in August.

Noone was restored to Cardiff’s starting line-up for Saturday’s 2-1 home win against Bristol City after sitting out a hat-trick of away games.

He is expected to feature against an Albion side likely to include the fit-again Vicente, who has scored in each of his last two outings.

Oatway said: “They haven’t used Craig lately as much as they did when he first went there but he is still a big threat. If he plays or comes on for 20 or 25 minutes he is a player we have to watch.

“I know he is a different type to Vicente but they are so off-the-cuff those sort of players. They can do things other players can’t so it’s hard to predict what you can do against him to stop him or slow him down.

“You have just got to hope he has a a bit of a bad day, we have a good day against him and it goes according to plan for us, because if the boy is on song and they flood him with the ball he is very hard to combat.”

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Alan G Skinner says...
1:48pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Noone is a good player. Comparing him with Vicente .... I think we can dismiss that comparison as mere enthusiasm. Vicente has been a world class player and you still see it now, albeit against inferior opponents, Vicente was coveted by the biggest Football Club in the world. Noone will never be in the same league Vicente, they are a breed apart.

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mark by the sea says...
1:54pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Noone is a good player. Comparing him with Vicente .... I think we can dismiss that comparison as mere enthusiasm. Vicente has been a world class player and you still see it now, albeit against inferior opponents, Vicente was coveted by the biggest Football Club in the world. Noone will never be in the same league Vicente, they are a breed apart.
Yes agree, funny oatway thinks he is that good, but sell him for 1 million! If he was that good, why did we sell him? More threat from Campbell and that welsh tattoo..lol

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pablobrowno says...
2:00pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Clearly tonight will be tough, but I have a feeling we'll have a good go at this one. A point would be great going into the two home games..

Also for those who can't make it to Cardiff there's the possibility of a live TV stream as Cardiff home matches shown on Malaysian sport TV I do believe....

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Seagull83 says...
2:15pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Noone's not fit to laces Vicente's boots.

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VegasSeagull says...
2:15pm Tue 19 Feb 13

I think the only way Charlie is comparing Noone to Vicente is the fact that Noone, like Vicente, can deliver a decent ball for a striker to latch onto, and I guess that's true.

Some might think that a point would be ok from tonight, if that kind of thinking enters into the dressing room then I think we could be in trouble.
The only way I see us getting a point is if we go flat out to get all three. A win, and only a win, has to be the target tonight. To line up or play for a draw would mean that we are taking the pressure off their defense and if we do that, then I feel they will control the game.

Noone is a danger, if he is selected, but they have others even more dangerous. We must pose a threat right from the get go and maintain that threat for 90 minutes, or more.

A full scale onslaught should be our target tonight, pin them back, pound their defense and make them wonder what the duck is going on. Forget Noone, let them think about Vicente, Ulloa and anyone else that can get a shot on target.

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Wooah Wooah says...
2:47pm Tue 19 Feb 13

This sort of comment makes me wonder whether Charlie is really the coach we need to take us to the next level.

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VegasSeagull says...
2:56pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Wooah Wooah wrote:
This sort of comment makes me wonder whether Charlie is really the coach we need to take us to the next level.
I wouldn't take Charlie's comments in a literal sense, his comment to me seems to be about impact on a game rather than skill sets.

Noone can deliver a good cross and we have at times been seen to be lacking in the airial department.

If Noone does start, and he might not, I am sure that Cardiff will be more worried about Vicente than we will about Noone, and I think Charlie knows that.

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pjwilk says...
3:01pm Tue 19 Feb 13

As if we dont know all about Noone.

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SeagullOverSelsey says...
3:12pm Tue 19 Feb 13

I regarded Nooney as more of an impact type player (Like KLL) rather than a nailed on starter.I lost count of the number if times his final ball was woeful which was why GP offloaded him at the right price.Yes of course he can be dangerous but I agree entirely with Seagull 83's comments.(I hope I don't eat my words tonight!)

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bruce beckett says...
3:20pm Tue 19 Feb 13

The 3-1 odds against an Albion victory tonight look a bit skimpy to me given Cardiff's recent run of results, but the one thing I have learned over the years about football is to expect the unexpected.

I agree with an earlier post that Cardiff are due a bad result and we are due a shock victory. But, of course, it will have to be earned the hard way.

Will Gus take a chance and pair CMS and Ulloa together again or will he keep it tight early on and hope to nick a goal in the second half? He says he's a gambler...but I don't believe him. Caution comes first.

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VegasSeagull says...
3:36pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Bruce I think Gus has to go with two strikers and that must mean Ulloa and CMS both starting.

That being said if both start then surely Vicente has to start, they will both be looking to feed off him and with both starting the supply chain needs to be there.

To start with one striker would be a step backwards.

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GovindaTim says...
3:37pm Tue 19 Feb 13

match online at www.footballstreamin
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fratsomrover says...
3:50pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Fair comment from Charlie. Craig Noone can always be a match winner because he possesses the ability to beat any man in a one on one situation. I was very sorry to see him go and I'm not a bit surprised Cardiff are doing well with him in the squad. People criticised him here because they always said his final ball was poor. Well maybe that's because he only ever had titchy CMS to aim for. Put him in a team with good strikers and attacking midfielders and he is capable of setting up numerous chances because he has more targets to aim for. That's the blessing of being positive and going for goals from the off. Gus seems to have realised this rather late in the season, but hopefully he will field a positive side tonight and go for the win. As folk say, Cardiff are due an upset at home, so lets hope it is us that provides it and we are able to nullify Noone's threat. I shouldn't imagine Bruno is looking forward to playing against him.

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LACHANCE says...
4:04pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Seagull83 wrote:
Noone's not fit to laces Vicente's boots.
Very Very True.Noone is over rated and he was not that good at crossing the ball.Not realy a lose for us.

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Baldseagull says...
4:10pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Noone seemed to have spells of form with us in the first ten games and the last ten games each season. Could be the right time to meet him or he could just be coming back into form.
He can do what Vicente does, the difference is Vicente can produce it every time he plays, Noone will have two games a season where he is almost as good.

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SMF20 says...
4:31pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Imho the team selection tonight has been made a very simple one by the way we played against Blackburn.

With the exception of Hoskins for obvious reasons it is merely a choice of do we replace him with Orlandi or Cms.

We must show the same attitude that we did against a more than capable team in Blackburn and we must set out like this from the off, lets put them on the back foot from minute one, we simply cannot afford another draw.

I think most of us would agree that our last match was the best we have played this season along with possibly the display against Bolton so lets keep going like this and see where it takes us.

Heres to 3 points tonight

Uta

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Cardiffcgull says...
4:41pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Bellamy poses a much more dangerous threat than Noone. stop Bellamy and you stop Cardiff - simples, (Not!)

Lots of red flags being handed out free tonight from their new owners, there will be some dissent which may quieten the crowd.
UTA!!

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WestStander17 says...
4:45pm Tue 19 Feb 13

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bruce I think Gus has to go with two strikers and that must mean Ulloa and CMS both starting.

That being said if both start then surely Vicente has to start, they will both be looking to feed off him and with both starting the supply chain needs to be there.

To start with one striker would be a step backwards.
We started with one striker against Blackburn though and played brilliantly. Yes, both Ulloa and Hoskins were in the line-up but the latter was very much playing from the left wing.

Agree with all the posts about Vicente and Noone being a world apart. To be fair, Charlie did say they were different type of players. His point was that they can both influence a game in their own way. I know who I'd rather have in my team though! Olé!

This may get a reaction but, in some ways, in games like this, taking our league position out of it for now, I think Gus could be more defensive. His mindset is to always try to control possession and therefore the game whereas other teams, Cardiff at The Amex being a good example, focus on being tight defensively and hitting teams on the break. We have the pace in the squad to do that (CMS would love it!) but Gus likes to play the same way wherever or whoever we are playing. Its another difference to a "British" manager's mindset. Brilliant when it comes off but I think you need to be an extremely good team to be able to control the game everytime. I think we might be getting there though!

Whoever plays for us tonight and in whatever formation, as long as they give their all, thats all we can ask.

SEAGULLS!!!!

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wiseman of hove says...
5:13pm Tue 19 Feb 13

SMF20 wrote:
Imho the team selection tonight has been made a very simple one by the way we played against Blackburn.

With the exception of Hoskins for obvious reasons it is merely a choice of do we replace him with Orlandi or Cms.

We must show the same attitude that we did against a more than capable team in Blackburn and we must set out like this from the off, lets put them on the back foot from minute one, we simply cannot afford another draw.

I think most of us would agree that our last match was the best we have played this season along with possibly the display against Bolton so lets keep going like this and see where it takes us.

Heres to 3 points tonight

Uta
I think there are some 'marginal' selection decisions to be made tonight, which will probably be solved by full use of the bench. I have a slight preference for Calde at right back instead of Bruno and not sure that I would give a starting berth to CMS over Orlandi. I think we miss something when Orlandi is not on the pitch. What a boost for Saturday's game if we could get three points tonight. I don't see a draw tonight with these two teams but who knows.

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Godstone Gull says...
5:27pm Tue 19 Feb 13

bruce beckett wrote:
The 3-1 odds against an Albion victory tonight look a bit skimpy to me given Cardiff's recent run of results, but the one thing I have learned over the years about football is to expect the unexpected. I agree with an earlier post that Cardiff are due a bad result and we are due a shock victory. But, of course, it will have to be earned the hard way. Will Gus take a chance and pair CMS and Ulloa together again or will he keep it tight early on and hope to nick a goal in the second half? He says he's a gambler...but I don't believe him. Caution comes first.
Gus’s actual quote “Are we going to take more risks than before? Probably.” 8/2/13. I belive him.

Are we going to take risks tonight against Cardiff away?. Probably not many.
Your not beliveing your own misqoute.

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Freeloaders says...
5:30pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Cardiffcgull wrote:
Bellamy poses a much more dangerous threat than Noone. stop Bellamy and you stop Cardiff - simples, (Not!)

Lots of red flags being handed out free tonight from their new owners, there will be some dissent which may quieten the crowd.
UTA!!
You make a good point.Now Bellamy loves his home town club.Its really not all about the money for this guy.Yes his lucky he was able to make his money before away from Cardiff.But the point is just because a player is home grown it does not make him a fan of the club.Players like Dunk and Elphick plus a few more like them are not Brighton fans.Like the two above i think your find are both mad Liverpool fans.They don't feel anymore proud to play for the club say anymore a guy from up north does.Thats why i hate them,and want all of them out the club oneday with luck.

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Old Scrote of the Amex says...
5:34pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Freeloaders wrote:
Cardiffcgull wrote:
Bellamy poses a much more dangerous threat than Noone. stop Bellamy and you stop Cardiff - simples, (Not!)

Lots of red flags being handed out free tonight from their new owners, there will be some dissent which may quieten the crowd.
UTA!!
You make a good point.Now Bellamy loves his home town club.Its really not all about the money for this guy.Yes his lucky he was able to make his money before away from Cardiff.But the point is just because a player is home grown it does not make him a fan of the club.Players like Dunk and Elphick plus a few more like them are not Brighton fans.Like the two above i think your find are both mad Liverpool fans.They don't feel anymore proud to play for the club say anymore a guy from up north does.Thats why i hate them,and want all of them out the club oneday with luck.
And how much love for his club should a player have before you stop hating them?

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Bucket feet Duffy says...
5:41pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Could this be Charlie really saying give the ball to him we know how to play him perhaps?

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saraman says...
6:27pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Radio Sussex has just repoted that CMS has not travelled to Cardiff. What now, who's up front with Leo?

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Hovite says...
6:27pm Tue 19 Feb 13

OCD anyone? ;o)

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Hovite says...
6:34pm Tue 19 Feb 13

saraman wrote:
Radio Sussex has just repoted that CMS has not travelled to Cardiff. What now, who's up front with Leo?
What was the reason for not travelling?

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VegasSeagull says...
6:40pm Tue 19 Feb 13

saraman wrote:
Radio Sussex has just repoted that CMS has not travelled to Cardiff. What now, who's up front with Leo?
This news, if correct, has me worried and also brings me back to my fears of a few weeks ago.

When we were doing the deal for Ulloa I stated that I thought we should try to sign two strikers. My thoughts were that if one got injured we would have another available.

If CMS is not there, Hoskins out for the season and Barnes with a match ban still to go, we have a problem.

Of course it might be that Gus has taken a defensive squad but why wouldn't CMS at least be on the bench or just there to shout his team mates on.

Injury or some other issue keeping CMS at home, we await more info.

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saraman says...
6:40pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Hovite wrote:
saraman wrote: Radio Sussex has just repoted that CMS has not travelled to Cardiff. What now, who's up front with Leo?
What was the reason for not travelling?
A slight injury I believe.

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bruce beckett says...
6:42pm Tue 19 Feb 13

If this news about CMS being injured is true (no tweets about it from Andy Naylor yet), it only goes to show the folly of letting Dobbie go to Palace on loan.

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Alfie T says...
6:46pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Freeloaders wrote:
Cardiffcgull wrote:
Bellamy poses a much more dangerous threat than Noone. stop Bellamy and you stop Cardiff - simples, (Not!)

Lots of red flags being handed out free tonight from their new owners, there will be some dissent which may quieten the crowd.
UTA!!
You make a good point.Now Bellamy loves his home town club.Its really not all about the money for this guy.Yes his lucky he was able to make his money before away from Cardiff.But the point is just because a player is home grown it does not make him a fan of the club.Players like Dunk and Elphick plus a few more like them are not Brighton fans.Like the two above i think your find are both mad Liverpool fans.They don't feel anymore proud to play for the club say anymore a guy from up north does.Thats why i hate them,and want all of them out the club oneday with luck.
Agree Cardiffegul, Bellamy is a class act, I presume you will be at the match?

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Hovite says...
6:47pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Not really, we have KLL, far more exiting than Dobbie.

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VegasSeagull says...
6:47pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Bruce my gut feeling is that Dobbie wanted away, I am not sure that he would be of any benefit to us even given the striker issues we now have.

When we got Ulloa we should have got another at the same time, even if only a loan deal.

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Hovite says...
6:47pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Hovite wrote:
Not really, we have KLL, far more exiting than Dobbie.
Meant for bruce beckett

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VegasSeagull says...
6:50pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Well Hovite I have been hoping to see Lua Lua play in a central role, using his speed to run at defenses, maybe today I get to see just that.

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bruce beckett says...
6:52pm Tue 19 Feb 13

LuaLua? Who does he play for?

No CMS or Vicente in starting lineup. Looks like Ulloa will be playing on his own up front. So much for Gus throwing caution to the wind but I guess if CMS is not fit, he doesn't have much choice.

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saraman says...
6:53pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Surely Vicente must start just behind Leo. David and Orlandi to also figure I would imagine. I'm a tad worried now.

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VegasSeagull says...
6:59pm Tue 19 Feb 13

saraman wrote:
Surely Vicente must start just behind Leo. David and Orlandi to also figure I would imagine. I'm a tad worried now.
a TAD worried, I am close to a state of panic.

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franckiep en france says...
7:01pm Tue 19 Feb 13

NO Vincente????

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bruce beckett says...
7:01pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Likewise, Vegas, especially as Cardiff are playing two wingers and two strikers. Apparently, the squad has been affected by a virus, which may explain why Greer and CMS are not involved.

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Jonathan Mouette says...
7:03pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Weird. THe DS (Forster-Caskey and Barker) gets to feature and CMS is dropped out of sight. Has the virus caught up with them or is this the ultimate con...?

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franckiep en france says...
7:03pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Vincente IS a sub, been corrected

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VegasSeagull says...
7:04pm Tue 19 Feb 13

bruce beckett wrote:
Likewise, Vegas, especially as Cardiff are playing two wingers and two strikers. Apparently, the squad has been affected by a virus, which may explain why Greer and CMS are not involved.
It's a pity that the whole squad didn't get the virus, we could have got a medical postponement.

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Godstone Gull says...
7:13pm Tue 19 Feb 13

bruce beckett wrote:
LuaLua? Who does he play for? No CMS or Vicente in starting lineup. Looks like Ulloa will be playing on his own up front. So much for Gus throwing caution to the wind but I guess if CMS is not fit, he doesn't have much choice.
Throwing caution to the wind!!
Your still believing your own propaganda

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bruce beckett says...
7:20pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Godstone Gull

My propaganda? You really need to keep up with the news before making ill-informed comments.

From the Argus earlier this month:

ALBION boss Gus Poyet is ready to take more risks in search of wins to pinch a play-off place.

The Seagulls are five points adrift of the play-off zone ahead of third-placed Hull City’s visit tomorrow night (5.20pm).

Four of their next five matches are at The Amex but they are playing catch-up after only two victories from their last ten Championship outings.

Poyet told The Argus: “The idea is to win as many games as possible, to win, that’s the word now. From now until the end of the season it’s only about winning. Are we going to take more risks than before? Probably."

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Old Scrote of the Amex says...
8:01pm Tue 19 Feb 13

bruce beckett wrote:
Godstone Gull

My propaganda? You really need to keep up with the news before making ill-informed comments.

From the Argus earlier this month:

ALBION boss Gus Poyet is ready to take more risks in search of wins to pinch a play-off place.

The Seagulls are five points adrift of the play-off zone ahead of third-placed Hull City’s visit tomorrow night (5.20pm).

Four of their next five matches are at The Amex but they are playing catch-up after only two victories from their last ten Championship outings.

Poyet told The Argus: “The idea is to win as many games as possible, to win, that’s the word now. From now until the end of the season it’s only about winning. Are we going to take more risks than before? Probably."
"...taking more risks" does not equate to "throwing caution to the wind".

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SiWilki says...
10:09pm Tue 19 Feb 13

No-one threat from Craig, Orlandi better he can score, Gus does well. What a result.

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