Poyet enjoys a different kind of win

Gus Poyet makes a good save himself (photo Simon Dack)

Gus Poyet makes a good save himself (photo Simon Dack)

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Gus Poyet savoured an ugly Albion win – and kept his sights firmly on a play-off place.

Poyet’s men battled to a 1-0 success over Burnley today and are sixth in the Championship tonight.

Albion did not produce their usual fluent football but Poyet said: “It’s a different kind of nice feelings today.

“It is about not playing fantastic and not being in a very good day as a team technically but still winning the game somehow.

“During a season it is very important to know how to win somehow.

“We are on a very good run. We are playing well in a few games and not so well in a few and we are still on the run.

“It’s there for us. Can we hold in there and maintain that winning mentality and everything?

“If we do, we are going to be there for sure. It’s in our hands.”

Will Buckley missed the game through illness and Poyet opted against bringing skipper Gordon Greer back into the XI.

Greer replaced Vicente late on as Albion held on for the win.

Poyet added: “It was a game where we had to make very strong decisions and that makes you a better manager and a better team.

“I don’t think you have seen me make the change of Gordon in place of Vicente before.

“There are reasons and we thought it was the right time and the right game with the right people on the pitch.

“It finished well. Until then you don’t know if it’s the right decision.

“We explained to the players the reasons and it was important to see the game out.”

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7:20pm Sat 23 Feb 13

oksouthstander says...

In the play-offs to stay and get stronger
In the play-offs to stay and get stronger oksouthstander
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7:20pm Sat 23 Feb 13

rolivan says...

MInd the gap
MInd the gap rolivan
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7:31pm Sat 23 Feb 13

golddene says...

A good tight game, may have been ugly but i enjoyed it, some good football played by both sides and to manage to close out the game without too much difficulty is high praise to the professionalism of the whole team and management.
I feel that if we keep this standard of play up playoffs are there for the taking,and who knows, we're only 10 points off second ! anyone know where Reading were at this stage last year ?
A good tight game, may have been ugly but i enjoyed it, some good football played by both sides and to manage to close out the game without too much difficulty is high praise to the professionalism of the whole team and management. I feel that if we keep this standard of play up playoffs are there for the taking,and who knows, we're only 10 points off second ! anyone know where Reading were at this stage last year ? golddene
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7:48pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Hovite says...

Burnley had to win that game to keep up with the play off pack, so in hindsight I am not surprised that it turned out to be a tough game. They didn't come here for a draw.

Burnley's season is now over.
Burnley had to win that game to keep up with the play off pack, so in hindsight I am not surprised that it turned out to be a tough game. They didn't come here for a draw. Burnley's season is now over. Hovite
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7:48pm Sat 23 Feb 13

LACHANCE says...

Good win with the team missing Bridcut.Should have been four up by half time.We must keep winning and who knows what may happen.
Good win with the team missing Bridcut.Should have been four up by half time.We must keep winning and who knows what may happen. LACHANCE
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7:55pm Sat 23 Feb 13

oksouthstander says...

Reading were just outside the promotion places, in 4th, having taken 54 points from 31 games. this time last year..
Reading were just outside the promotion places, in 4th, having taken 54 points from 31 games. this time last year.. oksouthstander
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8:04pm Sat 23 Feb 13

russellsnr2 says...

Very, Very important THREE points after
Middlesbrough
1 - 2
Millwall
Very, Very important THREE points after Middlesbrough 1 - 2 Millwall russellsnr2
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8:31pm Sat 23 Feb 13

fratsomrover says...

I agree with Gus. We've played much better and lost, so a win at this stage of the season is a brilliant result. It would have been much calmer if Ulloa had put away that chance just before half-time but the left hand link of Orlandi, Vicente and Bridge tore them to shreds in the first 45 minutes. Possibly one of Bridge's best games for us and he helped make up for the loss of Buckley on the right flank with his attacking runs. Thought we missed WB though as we were very limited down the right and for my money Bruno continues to look the weak link. Hammond did ok even though far from 100% fit, but for me the MoM had to be Tom Kuzack. I cant recall a whole stand getting to their feet to applaud with such intensity, that save he pulled off in the first half. Incredible save and he really has been in fantastic form lately. Results went in our favour too so a vital weekend all round. Hope Buckley is fit for the next match to give us that penetration on the right and we will, of course be stronger when Bridders complete his ban.
I agree with Gus. We've played much better and lost, so a win at this stage of the season is a brilliant result. It would have been much calmer if Ulloa had put away that chance just before half-time but the left hand link of Orlandi, Vicente and Bridge tore them to shreds in the first 45 minutes. Possibly one of Bridge's best games for us and he helped make up for the loss of Buckley on the right flank with his attacking runs. Thought we missed WB though as we were very limited down the right and for my money Bruno continues to look the weak link. Hammond did ok even though far from 100% fit, but for me the MoM had to be Tom Kuzack. I cant recall a whole stand getting to their feet to applaud with such intensity, that save he pulled off in the first half. Incredible save and he really has been in fantastic form lately. Results went in our favour too so a vital weekend all round. Hope Buckley is fit for the next match to give us that penetration on the right and we will, of course be stronger when Bridders complete his ban. fratsomrover
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8:34pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Far gull says...

Hovite wrote:
Burnley had to win that game to keep up with the play off pack, so in hindsight I am not surprised that it turned out to be a tough game. They didn't come here for a draw.

Burnley's season is now over.
Spot on. Annoying as a certain commentator we know is with this comment. " to be fair' ( and it drives me nuts listening to away games) , gus had it right in many ways today as in ending Burnley's season he took a competitor out albeit with some deserved luck.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Burnley had to win that game to keep up with the play off pack, so in hindsight I am not surprised that it turned out to be a tough game. They didn't come here for a draw. Burnley's season is now over.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Annoying as a certain commentator we know is with this comment. " to be fair' ( and it drives me nuts listening to away games) , gus had it right in many ways today as in ending Burnley's season he took a competitor out albeit with some deserved luck. Far gull
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8:43pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Alfie T says...

Ulloa's miss was astonishing, harder to miss than score, game would have been over then. Glimpses of some top quality football, overall scrappy, but a wins a win.
Ulloa's miss was astonishing, harder to miss than score, game would have been over then. Glimpses of some top quality football, overall scrappy, but a wins a win. Alfie T
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8:47pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Forest Boy says...

Boro & Leicester losing form at the wrong time is good news for those chasing. Billy Davies' Forest to hit the playoffs as form team! Brighton looking a good bet too. Top two a little out of sight now though.
Boro & Leicester losing form at the wrong time is good news for those chasing. Billy Davies' Forest to hit the playoffs as form team! Brighton looking a good bet too. Top two a little out of sight now though. Forest Boy
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8:50pm Sat 23 Feb 13

keswick says...

Three points is three points no matter how they are gained. Credit to Hammond who was probably not 100% fit. I too think that Bruno is not living up to his early season promise. Personally I don't think he has been the same player since he first got injured. I also felt that Dicker struggled but does not give up which again is a credit to him. In a division where anyone can beat anyone who knows what can happen. Also nice to see the scum from Croydon lose as a bonus to the result today.
Three points is three points no matter how they are gained. Credit to Hammond who was probably not 100% fit. I too think that Bruno is not living up to his early season promise. Personally I don't think he has been the same player since he first got injured. I also felt that Dicker struggled but does not give up which again is a credit to him. In a division where anyone can beat anyone who knows what can happen. Also nice to see the scum from Croydon lose as a bonus to the result today. keswick
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8:56pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Hovite says...

Far gull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Burnley had to win that game to keep up with the play off pack, so in hindsight I am not surprised that it turned out to be a tough game. They didn't come here for a draw.

Burnley's season is now over.
Spot on. Annoying as a certain commentator we know is with this comment. " to be fair' ( and it drives me nuts listening to away games) , gus had it right in many ways today as in ending Burnley's season he took a competitor out albeit with some deserved luck.
To be fair, I tried to not use the term to be fair, but to be fair, to be fair is the right term in this case.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Burnley had to win that game to keep up with the play off pack, so in hindsight I am not surprised that it turned out to be a tough game. They didn't come here for a draw. Burnley's season is now over.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Annoying as a certain commentator we know is with this comment. " to be fair' ( and it drives me nuts listening to away games) , gus had it right in many ways today as in ending Burnley's season he took a competitor out albeit with some deserved luck.[/p][/quote]To be fair, I tried to not use the term to be fair, but to be fair, to be fair is the right term in this case. Hovite
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9:00pm Sat 23 Feb 13

The Phantom says...

Huge win. Burnley worth a point although only look an average mid table side. Impressed with Austin's movement and aerial ability for them - think he would score plenty of goals for us. Spanish Dave and Orlandi continuing to get crucial goals for us from midfield which is something we have lacked for a long time. Back 5 all played well with the exception of Bruno. Hammond and Dicker did their best to plug the Bridcutt gap, although this game just domonstrated what an integral part of the team Bridcutt is. Vicente different class again when he got on the ball. Gus got his subs spot on today and fortunately Burnley faded a little towards the end of the game. Will need to play better in future weeks - there were plenty of occasions earlier in the season when we did not get our just deserts.
Huge win. Burnley worth a point although only look an average mid table side. Impressed with Austin's movement and aerial ability for them - think he would score plenty of goals for us. Spanish Dave and Orlandi continuing to get crucial goals for us from midfield which is something we have lacked for a long time. Back 5 all played well with the exception of Bruno. Hammond and Dicker did their best to plug the Bridcutt gap, although this game just domonstrated what an integral part of the team Bridcutt is. Vicente different class again when he got on the ball. Gus got his subs spot on today and fortunately Burnley faded a little towards the end of the game. Will need to play better in future weeks - there were plenty of occasions earlier in the season when we did not get our just deserts. The Phantom
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9:20pm Sat 23 Feb 13

wiseman of hove says...

The Phantom wrote:
Huge win. Burnley worth a point although only look an average mid table side. Impressed with Austin's movement and aerial ability for them - think he would score plenty of goals for us. Spanish Dave and Orlandi continuing to get crucial goals for us from midfield which is something we have lacked for a long time. Back 5 all played well with the exception of Bruno. Hammond and Dicker did their best to plug the Bridcutt gap, although this game just domonstrated what an integral part of the team Bridcutt is. Vicente different class again when he got on the ball. Gus got his subs spot on today and fortunately Burnley faded a little towards the end of the game. Will need to play better in future weeks - there were plenty of occasions earlier in the season when we did not get our just deserts.
Excellent summary. I was also impressed with Austin.
Sensible appraisal by the manager of the team performance today and as you say, spot on subs, particularly CMS for Ulloa. Bit puzzled by Bruno being made captain over say, Adam El or Upson. Did nothing to boost his continuing poor form.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: Huge win. Burnley worth a point although only look an average mid table side. Impressed with Austin's movement and aerial ability for them - think he would score plenty of goals for us. Spanish Dave and Orlandi continuing to get crucial goals for us from midfield which is something we have lacked for a long time. Back 5 all played well with the exception of Bruno. Hammond and Dicker did their best to plug the Bridcutt gap, although this game just domonstrated what an integral part of the team Bridcutt is. Vicente different class again when he got on the ball. Gus got his subs spot on today and fortunately Burnley faded a little towards the end of the game. Will need to play better in future weeks - there were plenty of occasions earlier in the season when we did not get our just deserts.[/p][/quote]Excellent summary. I was also impressed with Austin. Sensible appraisal by the manager of the team performance today and as you say, spot on subs, particularly CMS for Ulloa. Bit puzzled by Bruno being made captain over say, Adam El or Upson. Did nothing to boost his continuing poor form. wiseman of hove
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10:08pm Sat 23 Feb 13

fansince57 says...

Only just home following the M23 accident/closure/deb
acle - so just as well I was celebrating 3pts. Agree with the comments above about Bruno - he was interviewed on R.Sussex and said his injury is not fully healed and he is playing and training through the pain. Let's hope he get's fully fit soon and returns to early season form.
I thought Burnley were there for the taking, esp in the 1st half but the way we closed out the game, tho' not good for my ticker, was very professional.
Only just home following the M23 accident/closure/deb acle - so just as well I was celebrating 3pts. Agree with the comments above about Bruno - he was interviewed on R.Sussex and said his injury is not fully healed and he is playing and training through the pain. Let's hope he get's fully fit soon and returns to early season form. I thought Burnley were there for the taking, esp in the 1st half but the way we closed out the game, tho' not good for my ticker, was very professional. fansince57
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10:58pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Alfie T says...

fansince57 wrote:
Only just home following the M23 accident/closure/deb

acle - so just as well I was celebrating 3pts. Agree with the comments above about Bruno - he was interviewed on R.Sussex and said his injury is not fully healed and he is playing and training through the pain. Let's hope he get's fully fit soon and returns to early season form.
I thought Burnley were there for the taking, esp in the 1st half but the way we closed out the game, tho' not good for my ticker, was very professional.
Fit or not, he is making too many mistakes, Calde back for me.
[quote][p][bold]fansince57[/bold] wrote: Only just home following the M23 accident/closure/deb acle - so just as well I was celebrating 3pts. Agree with the comments above about Bruno - he was interviewed on R.Sussex and said his injury is not fully healed and he is playing and training through the pain. Let's hope he get's fully fit soon and returns to early season form. I thought Burnley were there for the taking, esp in the 1st half but the way we closed out the game, tho' not good for my ticker, was very professional.[/p][/quote]Fit or not, he is making too many mistakes, Calde back for me. Alfie T
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12:16am Sun 24 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

With regards to Bruno, and I didn't see the game so this is not personal testomony, a mistake is a mistake and fitness has little to do with it.
If the injury is taking away pace or inhibiting his ability to jump or to turn quickly, then he should not be on the park.

With regards to the result, the lads did what was needed, they scored and didn't allow Burnley to score, I don't really care if it was pretty or not. When you are not playing at your best but still win, that is a sign of a decent team.

Ulloa put in a lot of work against Cardiff, I am sure he still had some of that game in his legs. The chosen subs were bang on, two attacking players off and two on, none of that sitting back crap trying to defend our lead.

Huddersfield next and I have every confidence that we will win, Bristol City away is the game giving me some thoughts.

I find it interesting that since Poyet said that he was willing to gamble, CMS and Buckley have not found the back of the net but foreign contingent is starting to take control. CMS, Buckley and Barnes, none of them look assured of a starting place where as a couple of months back that was not the case.
Competition is a good thing.

I now need to work out how to remove the jitters I feel about the team going to Bristol.
With regards to Bruno, and I didn't see the game so this is not personal testomony, a mistake is a mistake and fitness has little to do with it. If the injury is taking away pace or inhibiting his ability to jump or to turn quickly, then he should not be on the park. With regards to the result, the lads did what was needed, they scored and didn't allow Burnley to score, I don't really care if it was pretty or not. When you are not playing at your best but still win, that is a sign of a decent team. Ulloa put in a lot of work against Cardiff, I am sure he still had some of that game in his legs. The chosen subs were bang on, two attacking players off and two on, none of that sitting back crap trying to defend our lead. Huddersfield next and I have every confidence that we will win, Bristol City away is the game giving me some thoughts. I find it interesting that since Poyet said that he was willing to gamble, CMS and Buckley have not found the back of the net but foreign contingent is starting to take control. CMS, Buckley and Barnes, none of them look assured of a starting place where as a couple of months back that was not the case. Competition is a good thing. I now need to work out how to remove the jitters I feel about the team going to Bristol. VegasSeagull
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12:38am Sun 24 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Just seen the highlights on the Beeb - it just goes to show you can't get a feel for a game on Twitter! Neither Kuszczak's save nor Ulloa's miss were as incredible as I was led to believe.
Just seen the highlights on the Beeb - it just goes to show you can't get a feel for a game on Twitter! Neither Kuszczak's save nor Ulloa's miss were as incredible as I was led to believe. Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:04am Sun 24 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance.

Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him?

Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did.

Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.
Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance. Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him? Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did. Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week. bruce beckett
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2:16am Sun 24 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

I have just put the play-off final date in my diary, 27th May. If it all goes wrong now, it’s my fault.
I have just put the play-off final date in my diary, 27th May. If it all goes wrong now, it’s my fault. championshipgull
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2:49am Sun 24 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance.

Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him?

Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did.

Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.
Just gone and had a look. I can’t see where you are getting that from, Bruno and Hammond are getting worse ratings. Are you trying to stir criticism up?
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance. Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him? Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did. Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.[/p][/quote]Just gone and had a look. I can’t see where you are getting that from, Bruno and Hammond are getting worse ratings. Are you trying to stir criticism up? championshipgull
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3:47am Sun 24 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

Are you related to Godstone Gull, I wonder? mmm No, I'm just asking the question - one which you clearly are unable to answer.

Some 6s and below. Here is one example: Ulloa - 4 Looked easier to score than miss. Did very little of any note. Let's hope it was just an off day for a £2million outlay.

I was interested in hearing the views of people who have seen more of him than I have so far.
Are you related to Godstone Gull, I wonder? mmm No, I'm just asking the question - one which you clearly are unable to answer. Some 6s and below. Here is one example: Ulloa - 4 Looked easier to score than miss. Did very little of any note. Let's hope it was just an off day for a £2million outlay. I was interested in hearing the views of people who have seen more of him than I have so far. bruce beckett
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6:15am Sun 24 Feb 13

saraman says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
With regards to Bruno, and I didn't see the game so this is not personal testomony, a mistake is a mistake and fitness has little to do with it. If the injury is taking away pace or inhibiting his ability to jump or to turn quickly, then he should not be on the park. With regards to the result, the lads did what was needed, they scored and didn't allow Burnley to score, I don't really care if it was pretty or not. When you are not playing at your best but still win, that is a sign of a decent team. Ulloa put in a lot of work against Cardiff, I am sure he still had some of that game in his legs. The chosen subs were bang on, two attacking players off and two on, none of that sitting back crap trying to defend our lead. Huddersfield next and I have every confidence that we will win, Bristol City away is the game giving me some thoughts. I find it interesting that since Poyet said that he was willing to gamble, CMS and Buckley have not found the back of the net but foreign contingent is starting to take control. CMS, Buckley and Barnes, none of them look assured of a starting place where as a couple of months back that was not the case. Competition is a good thing. I now need to work out how to remove the jitters I feel about the team going to Bristol.
Yes Vegas, I have the same feelings about the Bristol game. After the Cardiff victory I and others posted our predictions for the rest of the season. The Bristol game I found to be the most troublesome and put it down as a tentative draw. I'm not so sure now, it could be an unexpected banana skin. I sure hope I'm wrong.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With regards to Bruno, and I didn't see the game so this is not personal testomony, a mistake is a mistake and fitness has little to do with it. If the injury is taking away pace or inhibiting his ability to jump or to turn quickly, then he should not be on the park. With regards to the result, the lads did what was needed, they scored and didn't allow Burnley to score, I don't really care if it was pretty or not. When you are not playing at your best but still win, that is a sign of a decent team. Ulloa put in a lot of work against Cardiff, I am sure he still had some of that game in his legs. The chosen subs were bang on, two attacking players off and two on, none of that sitting back crap trying to defend our lead. Huddersfield next and I have every confidence that we will win, Bristol City away is the game giving me some thoughts. I find it interesting that since Poyet said that he was willing to gamble, CMS and Buckley have not found the back of the net but foreign contingent is starting to take control. CMS, Buckley and Barnes, none of them look assured of a starting place where as a couple of months back that was not the case. Competition is a good thing. I now need to work out how to remove the jitters I feel about the team going to Bristol.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, I have the same feelings about the Bristol game. After the Cardiff victory I and others posted our predictions for the rest of the season. The Bristol game I found to be the most troublesome and put it down as a tentative draw. I'm not so sure now, it could be an unexpected banana skin. I sure hope I'm wrong. saraman
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7:17am Sun 24 Feb 13

JollyRoger says...

Good win and three points - even better with Millwall turning over Middlesborough. I just wondered what happened at half time?

We went from a side playing well and looking very dangerous down the left and creating chances, to a team that could hardly keep the ball and string passes together.

Burnley must have always thought there was something in the game for them and it became a very tense finish.

As I say - good three points though.
Good win and three points - even better with Millwall turning over Middlesborough. I just wondered what happened at half time? We went from a side playing well and looking very dangerous down the left and creating chances, to a team that could hardly keep the ball and string passes together. Burnley must have always thought there was something in the game for them and it became a very tense finish. As I say - good three points though. JollyRoger
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7:24am Sun 24 Feb 13

Far gull says...

saraman wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
With regards to Bruno, and I didn't see the game so this is not personal testomony, a mistake is a mistake and fitness has little to do with it. If the injury is taking away pace or inhibiting his ability to jump or to turn quickly, then he should not be on the park. With regards to the result, the lads did what was needed, they scored and didn't allow Burnley to score, I don't really care if it was pretty or not. When you are not playing at your best but still win, that is a sign of a decent team. Ulloa put in a lot of work against Cardiff, I am sure he still had some of that game in his legs. The chosen subs were bang on, two attacking players off and two on, none of that sitting back crap trying to defend our lead. Huddersfield next and I have every confidence that we will win, Bristol City away is the game giving me some thoughts. I find it interesting that since Poyet said that he was willing to gamble, CMS and Buckley have not found the back of the net but foreign contingent is starting to take control. CMS, Buckley and Barnes, none of them look assured of a starting place where as a couple of months back that was not the case. Competition is a good thing. I now need to work out how to remove the jitters I feel about the team going to Bristol.
Yes Vegas, I have the same feelings about the Bristol game. After the Cardiff victory I and others posted our predictions for the rest of the season. The Bristol game I found to be the most troublesome and put it down as a tentative draw. I'm not so sure now, it could be an unexpected banana skin. I sure hope I'm wrong.
Come on guy's ,faith required. We will not win every game from now till the end. Bristol on a roll but let's beat Huddersfield first who could also be tricky,one game at a time.
Belief is there in the team now if ,performances not strangely.
I know injuries and bookings having a influence at present but could someone let me know the last time we played the same team consecutively ?
As to Bruno ,if not fit then play Calde ,actually think he has played well enough to start above Bruno lately.
Boro away ,Leicester hm and palace hm are big games now, which at least makes for an exciting season finale ,unlike Burnley's .
Agree with another poster ,thought Austin's movement gd, loan window still open? With a view as re Boyd ,to buy at seasons end.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With regards to Bruno, and I didn't see the game so this is not personal testomony, a mistake is a mistake and fitness has little to do with it. If the injury is taking away pace or inhibiting his ability to jump or to turn quickly, then he should not be on the park. With regards to the result, the lads did what was needed, they scored and didn't allow Burnley to score, I don't really care if it was pretty or not. When you are not playing at your best but still win, that is a sign of a decent team. Ulloa put in a lot of work against Cardiff, I am sure he still had some of that game in his legs. The chosen subs were bang on, two attacking players off and two on, none of that sitting back crap trying to defend our lead. Huddersfield next and I have every confidence that we will win, Bristol City away is the game giving me some thoughts. I find it interesting that since Poyet said that he was willing to gamble, CMS and Buckley have not found the back of the net but foreign contingent is starting to take control. CMS, Buckley and Barnes, none of them look assured of a starting place where as a couple of months back that was not the case. Competition is a good thing. I now need to work out how to remove the jitters I feel about the team going to Bristol.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, I have the same feelings about the Bristol game. After the Cardiff victory I and others posted our predictions for the rest of the season. The Bristol game I found to be the most troublesome and put it down as a tentative draw. I'm not so sure now, it could be an unexpected banana skin. I sure hope I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]Come on guy's ,faith required. We will not win every game from now till the end. Bristol on a roll but let's beat Huddersfield first who could also be tricky,one game at a time. Belief is there in the team now if ,performances not strangely. I know injuries and bookings having a influence at present but could someone let me know the last time we played the same team consecutively ? As to Bruno ,if not fit then play Calde ,actually think he has played well enough to start above Bruno lately. Boro away ,Leicester hm and palace hm are big games now, which at least makes for an exciting season finale ,unlike Burnley's . Agree with another poster ,thought Austin's movement gd, loan window still open? With a view as re Boyd ,to buy at seasons end. Far gull
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7:57am Sun 24 Feb 13

Alfie T says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Are you related to Godstone Gull, I wonder? mmm No, I'm just asking the question - one which you clearly are unable to answer.

Some 6s and below. Here is one example: Ulloa - 4 Looked easier to score than miss. Did very little of any note. Let's hope it was just an off day for a £2million outlay.

I was interested in hearing the views of people who have seen more of him than I have so far.
Bruce, fair to say the jury is still out on Ulloa. The positives are, he has a good first touch, good balance and a bit of pace,good in the air in defence. Yesterday watched the ball and not the man when the ball was coming at height, much better, think he may also have ability to read the game as Murray does. The negatives, goes to ground too easily, bit like Barnes, needs to be stronger and fitter perhaps, when his confidence is there I think he will be very good for us.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Are you related to Godstone Gull, I wonder? mmm No, I'm just asking the question - one which you clearly are unable to answer. Some 6s and below. Here is one example: Ulloa - 4 Looked easier to score than miss. Did very little of any note. Let's hope it was just an off day for a £2million outlay. I was interested in hearing the views of people who have seen more of him than I have so far.[/p][/quote]Bruce, fair to say the jury is still out on Ulloa. The positives are, he has a good first touch, good balance and a bit of pace,good in the air in defence. Yesterday watched the ball and not the man when the ball was coming at height, much better, think he may also have ability to read the game as Murray does. The negatives, goes to ground too easily, bit like Barnes, needs to be stronger and fitter perhaps, when his confidence is there I think he will be very good for us. Alfie T
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8:41am Sun 24 Feb 13

fansince57 says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance.

Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him?

Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did.

Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.
In previous games Ulloa has looked very good - holds up the ball well, brings others into play, heads well, defends well. Y'day was his worst game so far. It's clear to me he's still adjusting to English style - looks bemused when penalised by refs and not given what he considers fouls on him. He's not as quick as CMS and the 2nd half y'day was crying out for some pace.
I still think we should be playing Ulloa & CMS together - all the ingredients are there for a productive partnership. But until Gus gets over his mental block about playing 2 strikers it's not going to happen, sadly.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance. Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him? Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did. Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.[/p][/quote]In previous games Ulloa has looked very good - holds up the ball well, brings others into play, heads well, defends well. Y'day was his worst game so far. It's clear to me he's still adjusting to English style - looks bemused when penalised by refs and not given what he considers fouls on him. He's not as quick as CMS and the 2nd half y'day was crying out for some pace. I still think we should be playing Ulloa & CMS together - all the ingredients are there for a productive partnership. But until Gus gets over his mental block about playing 2 strikers it's not going to happen, sadly. fansince57
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8:41am Sun 24 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

championshipgull wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance.

Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him?

Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did.

Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.
Just gone and had a look. I can’t see where you are getting that from, Bruno and Hammond are getting worse ratings. Are you trying to stir criticism up?
It was a glaring miss but overall I thought Ulloa looked good again. He links the play up very well. It doesn't matter who scores the goals.

Surprised Hammond is getting low ratings. Thought he stood in for Bridcutt very well, especially if not fully fit. Mopped up most of the loose balls Bridcutt always does and made one brilliant tackle in our box in the second half. If anything, I thought we missed Hammond in his normal position as Dicker isn't the same sort of player and didn't have one of his best games. He gave the ball away a few times which Dicker doesn't normally do much at all.

Spanish Dave was good in the 1st half and Bridge was class. Vicente showed glimpses of his ability but didn't get anything from the referee who seemed to give decisions depending on nationality!!! The Spaniards got nothing!

All in all, a good 3 points when we weren't anywhere near our free flowing best.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance. Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him? Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did. Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.[/p][/quote]Just gone and had a look. I can’t see where you are getting that from, Bruno and Hammond are getting worse ratings. Are you trying to stir criticism up?[/p][/quote]It was a glaring miss but overall I thought Ulloa looked good again. He links the play up very well. It doesn't matter who scores the goals. Surprised Hammond is getting low ratings. Thought he stood in for Bridcutt very well, especially if not fully fit. Mopped up most of the loose balls Bridcutt always does and made one brilliant tackle in our box in the second half. If anything, I thought we missed Hammond in his normal position as Dicker isn't the same sort of player and didn't have one of his best games. He gave the ball away a few times which Dicker doesn't normally do much at all. Spanish Dave was good in the 1st half and Bridge was class. Vicente showed glimpses of his ability but didn't get anything from the referee who seemed to give decisions depending on nationality!!! The Spaniards got nothing! All in all, a good 3 points when we weren't anywhere near our free flowing best. WestStander17
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11:41am Sun 24 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

championshipgull wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance.

Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him?

Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did.

Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.
Just gone and had a look. I can’t see where you are getting that from, Bruno and Hammond are getting worse ratings. Are you trying to stir criticism up?
If you were on NSC why didn’t you ask them or was it another relative of yours posting the criticisms on there as well.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Ulloa seems to be getting some stick on NSC, not just for his glaring miss but also for his overall performance. Is the criticism fair or unfair – and is it too early to judge whether he's going to be worth the two mill we paid for him? Couldn't watch the game today so will be interested to hear the views of those who did. Can't understand why so many people are underwhelmed by a victory that took us into the play-off positions. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 win any day of the week.[/p][/quote]Just gone and had a look. I can’t see where you are getting that from, Bruno and Hammond are getting worse ratings. Are you trying to stir criticism up?[/p][/quote]If you were on NSC why didn’t you ask them or was it another relative of yours posting the criticisms on there as well. championshipgull
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12:24pm Sun 24 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Saraman, yes I saw your list, I posted mine too, if you recall I thought we would amass a total of 27 points.

I had Burnley down as a home win, and I have Huddersfield and Bristol as wins too, but I am still a little wary of Bristol.
Saraman, yes I saw your list, I posted mine too, if you recall I thought we would amass a total of 27 points. I had Burnley down as a home win, and I have Huddersfield and Bristol as wins too, but I am still a little wary of Bristol. VegasSeagull
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1:09pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Southamptoncandoone says...

Without playing brilliantly we won which is important.

The squad needs a player that can act as a like-for-like replacement for Bridcutt, either to come on and sure up a midfield when he is playing or step in when he isn't.

Hammond did ok but he's not a natural at receiving the ball on the half turn. We struggled to play from the back because without Greer there was no ball-playing centre-back.

Kuszczak was outstanding and is probably the best 'keeper I've seen at the club since I started watching. Albeit that was only in 1994 and we've not had much to write home about since then.

If I have one criticism of Gus it is that he doesn't use his bench well. Yesterday he took off Orlandi who was playing well on the left and brought on Barnes who contributed very little. It was strange as we lost our foothold on that side and after that the ball started coming back at us more regularly as Barnes failed to retain possession. Changing Ulluo and CMS had the same effect.

It meant that for the last 20 minutes we were always on the back foot. We would have been better served withdrawing Lopez and bringing on another midfielder and reverting to a more defensive 4-5-1 and controlling the game. In the end it didn't matter but in the future it could.

Ulluo certainly wasn't at his best, but he's still more useful on the pitch than CMS. Ulluo has the ability to hold the ball and gets into positions to score fat better the Scot. When he went off we looked a less potent.

Also Ulluo's chance wasn't as easy as it looked, especially if you look at the body position he had to take to reach it, leaning back on the stretch.

Vicente is by far the best player in the league.
Without playing brilliantly we won which is important. The squad needs a player that can act as a like-for-like replacement for Bridcutt, either to come on and sure up a midfield when he is playing or step in when he isn't. Hammond did ok but he's not a natural at receiving the ball on the half turn. We struggled to play from the back because without Greer there was no ball-playing centre-back. Kuszczak was outstanding and is probably the best 'keeper I've seen at the club since I started watching. Albeit that was only in 1994 and we've not had much to write home about since then. If I have one criticism of Gus it is that he doesn't use his bench well. Yesterday he took off Orlandi who was playing well on the left and brought on Barnes who contributed very little. It was strange as we lost our foothold on that side and after that the ball started coming back at us more regularly as Barnes failed to retain possession. Changing Ulluo and CMS had the same effect. It meant that for the last 20 minutes we were always on the back foot. We would have been better served withdrawing Lopez and bringing on another midfielder and reverting to a more defensive 4-5-1 and controlling the game. In the end it didn't matter but in the future it could. Ulluo certainly wasn't at his best, but he's still more useful on the pitch than CMS. Ulluo has the ability to hold the ball and gets into positions to score fat better the Scot. When he went off we looked a less potent. Also Ulluo's chance wasn't as easy as it looked, especially if you look at the body position he had to take to reach it, leaning back on the stretch. Vicente is by far the best player in the league. Southamptoncandoone
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1:53pm Sun 24 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Southamptoncandoone wrote:
Without playing brilliantly we won which is important. The squad needs a player that can act as a like-for-like replacement for Bridcutt, either to come on and sure up a midfield when he is playing or step in when he isn't. Hammond did ok but he's not a natural at receiving the ball on the half turn. We struggled to play from the back because without Greer there was no ball-playing centre-back. Kuszczak was outstanding and is probably the best 'keeper I've seen at the club since I started watching. Albeit that was only in 1994 and we've not had much to write home about since then. If I have one criticism of Gus it is that he doesn't use his bench well. Yesterday he took off Orlandi who was playing well on the left and brought on Barnes who contributed very little. It was strange as we lost our foothold on that side and after that the ball started coming back at us more regularly as Barnes failed to retain possession. Changing Ulluo and CMS had the same effect. It meant that for the last 20 minutes we were always on the back foot. We would have been better served withdrawing Lopez and bringing on another midfielder and reverting to a more defensive 4-5-1 and controlling the game. In the end it didn't matter but in the future it could. Ulluo certainly wasn't at his best, but he's still more useful on the pitch than CMS. Ulluo has the ability to hold the ball and gets into positions to score fat better the Scot. When he went off we looked a less potent. Also Ulluo's chance wasn't as easy as it looked, especially if you look at the body position he had to take to reach it, leaning back on the stretch. Vicente is by far the best player in the league.
I think the problem is that we have done as you suggest, gone more defensive to try and protect a slim lead, and this has not worked. This season has seen us concede late goals, some would say that was because we did not keep up the pressure on the opposition.

Both Barnes and CMS have been out recently so both had very fresh legs, not a bad thing to introduce for the last twenty minutes.
I guess it's just a matter of opinion as to what is the best way to defend a one goal lead. Try to pin them back or try to soak up pressure. Now I am not saying that what Gus did worked, but you don't know until you try, and Gus tried.
[quote][p][bold]Southamptoncandoone[/bold] wrote: Without playing brilliantly we won which is important. The squad needs a player that can act as a like-for-like replacement for Bridcutt, either to come on and sure up a midfield when he is playing or step in when he isn't. Hammond did ok but he's not a natural at receiving the ball on the half turn. We struggled to play from the back because without Greer there was no ball-playing centre-back. Kuszczak was outstanding and is probably the best 'keeper I've seen at the club since I started watching. Albeit that was only in 1994 and we've not had much to write home about since then. If I have one criticism of Gus it is that he doesn't use his bench well. Yesterday he took off Orlandi who was playing well on the left and brought on Barnes who contributed very little. It was strange as we lost our foothold on that side and after that the ball started coming back at us more regularly as Barnes failed to retain possession. Changing Ulluo and CMS had the same effect. It meant that for the last 20 minutes we were always on the back foot. We would have been better served withdrawing Lopez and bringing on another midfielder and reverting to a more defensive 4-5-1 and controlling the game. In the end it didn't matter but in the future it could. Ulluo certainly wasn't at his best, but he's still more useful on the pitch than CMS. Ulluo has the ability to hold the ball and gets into positions to score fat better the Scot. When he went off we looked a less potent. Also Ulluo's chance wasn't as easy as it looked, especially if you look at the body position he had to take to reach it, leaning back on the stretch. Vicente is by far the best player in the league.[/p][/quote]I think the problem is that we have done as you suggest, gone more defensive to try and protect a slim lead, and this has not worked. This season has seen us concede late goals, some would say that was because we did not keep up the pressure on the opposition. Both Barnes and CMS have been out recently so both had very fresh legs, not a bad thing to introduce for the last twenty minutes. I guess it's just a matter of opinion as to what is the best way to defend a one goal lead. Try to pin them back or try to soak up pressure. Now I am not saying that what Gus did worked, but you don't know until you try, and Gus tried. VegasSeagull
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1:59pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Hovite says...

I kind of agree that the substitutions didn't have the desired effect, though I am sure there were good reasons for it.

Barnes was brought on for more of a defensive role.

Personally, I would have liked to have seen KLL come on for Orlandi to give us more of a counter attacking option with Vicente and Ulloa when we were being pressed back in the last part of the game. However Gus has to weigh the game up at that moment and what you gain on one hand you can lose on another.

Did he get the subs right? I don't know, but we won.

Putting Greer on and making a back 5 was a good move though.
I kind of agree that the substitutions didn't have the desired effect, though I am sure there were good reasons for it. Barnes was brought on for more of a defensive role. Personally, I would have liked to have seen KLL come on for Orlandi to give us more of a counter attacking option with Vicente and Ulloa when we were being pressed back in the last part of the game. However Gus has to weigh the game up at that moment and what you gain on one hand you can lose on another. Did he get the subs right? I don't know, but we won. Putting Greer on and making a back 5 was a good move though. Hovite
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3:36pm Sun 24 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
I kind of agree that the substitutions didn't have the desired effect, though I am sure there were good reasons for it. Barnes was brought on for more of a defensive role. Personally, I would have liked to have seen KLL come on for Orlandi to give us more of a counter attacking option with Vicente and Ulloa when we were being pressed back in the last part of the game. However Gus has to weigh the game up at that moment and what you gain on one hand you can lose on another. Did he get the subs right? I don't know, but we won. Putting Greer on and making a back 5 was a good move though.
Good morning Hovite.

As you say, swings and roundabouts.

Huddersfield up next and for them there is a lot in this game just as there is for us. Being only 3 points out of the drop zone I think they will come looking for a point and hope for a result. Having read the reports on yesterday's game it seems that Burnley came for a win hoping for top 6.

I am not sure who will prove to be the harder to beat, a team with a chnce of top six or a team needing to stay out of the bottom 3.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: I kind of agree that the substitutions didn't have the desired effect, though I am sure there were good reasons for it. Barnes was brought on for more of a defensive role. Personally, I would have liked to have seen KLL come on for Orlandi to give us more of a counter attacking option with Vicente and Ulloa when we were being pressed back in the last part of the game. However Gus has to weigh the game up at that moment and what you gain on one hand you can lose on another. Did he get the subs right? I don't know, but we won. Putting Greer on and making a back 5 was a good move though.[/p][/quote]Good morning Hovite. As you say, swings and roundabouts. Huddersfield up next and for them there is a lot in this game just as there is for us. Being only 3 points out of the drop zone I think they will come looking for a point and hope for a result. Having read the reports on yesterday's game it seems that Burnley came for a win hoping for top 6. I am not sure who will prove to be the harder to beat, a team with a chnce of top six or a team needing to stay out of the bottom 3. VegasSeagull
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4:12pm Sun 24 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

Thanks for the feedback on Ulloa, AlfieT, Fansince and WestStander. Very interesting and I appreciate it,

Championshipgull, I read many of the stories on NSC but I don't post there in the fear of coming across obnoxious bounders like your good (or bad) self!
Thanks for the feedback on Ulloa, AlfieT, Fansince and WestStander. Very interesting and I appreciate it, Championshipgull, I read many of the stories on NSC but I don't post there in the fear of coming across obnoxious bounders like your good (or bad) self! bruce beckett
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