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Poyet wants a loan striker who will stay to May (From The Argus)
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Poyet wants a loan striker who will stay to May
9:00am Friday 8th March 2013 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Gus Poyet needs a loan striker - but not one who might be recalled early
ALBION want loaning clubs to give up recall rights as they search for a replacement for sidelined top scorer Craig Mackail-Smith.
Manager Gus Poyet’s preference is for a striker from the Premier League who cannot be called back and will be available to the Seagulls until the end of May for the Championship play-offs.
Most clubs insist on a recall clause for players loaned out for more than 28 days.
Poyet told The Argus: “I want a player until the last day of May, so if we are good enough to finish in the play-offs I want the player here. I don’t want any recalls.
“If he’s coming he’s coming and staying here until the end of the season. Then if we don’t make the play-offs no problem, we are going to have to pay three extra weeks.
“That’s the risk we take, not four weeks and then recall and you don’t have the player for the last four or five games of the season or the play-offs.
“So it’s another extra thing we need to put in there, which is not easy. If it’s a Premiership team they cannot sign anyone, so if they have a couple of injuries they are going to need the player back.”
Poyet ideally also wants a like-for-like replacement for Mackail-Smith, who ruptured an Achilles in Tuesday’s 0-0 draw at Bristol City, but admits he may end up with a different type of striker before the March 28 loan deadline.
He said: “There are options. Every single one is different, a different type of player and situation. Players that are not playing because somebody is better, players coming back from injury, players that are a bit too expensive.
“We lost Macca so the idea was let’s see first if we can get a player who can give us that in-behind option when it’s needed. Then, if not, you are going to need something depending on how we are playing or depending on the teams we are going to play against, maybe some power. The players that are available are so different, so it’s not easy.”
Comments(59)
markymark03
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9:36am Fri 8 Mar 13
I'm not sure how easy it will be to find someone at this stage who is going to be told that they are second, maybe even third choice striker. Good luck all the same Poyet
Grendel
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9:45am Fri 8 Mar 13
Yorkieseagull
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9:48am Fri 8 Mar 13
Freeloaders wrote:Actually I thought that was quite funny ...
How about one that don't keep going about 12 games without a goal ha ha.
smegbuster
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9:53am Fri 8 Mar 13
Grendel wrote:Sorry, but the hindsight seems to have been that he wasn't right for us. As good a player as he is, he just wasn't able to deliver the goods for us for some reason. Personally, I'm pleased Gus accepted that and cut his losses.
Should have kept Dobbie, but hindsight is wonderful thing.
Assuming we don't get anyone in today, perhaps tomorrow might be an opportunity for George Barker to try to prove his worth from the bench? But, of course, I'll feel more comfortable if Gus can pull his strings to get in a more proven striker.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:06am Fri 8 Mar 13
Freeloaders wrote:But how many minutes in those 12 games did he play? Certainly nowhere near 12x90.
How about one that don't keep going about 12 games without a goal ha ha.
Bish May Turn
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10:15am Fri 8 Mar 13
Dr Baldhead
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10:16am Fri 8 Mar 13
It's a really difficult one this - we need someone who can learn the style quickly, who can score goals and yet who may have to accept they will be sat on the bench. Awkward really... hope they find somebody half decent
championshipgull
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10:16am Fri 8 Mar 13
Gee Jay
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10:24am Fri 8 Mar 13
As for Church, well, I can't see her doing much for the team apart from perking things up in the showers at the end of a match, and perhaps singing at half time.
Willie, Willie Irvine
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10:27am Fri 8 Mar 13
Freeloaders wrote:So who are the players being considered?
How about one that don't keep going about 12 games without a goal ha ha.
You often (well always) tell us how 100% right you get proved about everthing, and how strong your contacts within the club are, so how about being 100% right in advance of the event and gving us some names..?
Tommy11
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10:36am Fri 8 Mar 13
Or if we want we could try and recall John Byrne back for the 4th time. He is about 50 odd now & retired but I reckon he could do a job for us - and he is keen!
saraman
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10:39am Fri 8 Mar 13
Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:50am Fri 8 Mar 13
saraman wrote:Hardly a CMS replacement though :-)
Too late for a loan player for tomorrow. The best we can hope for is for next Tuesday but mor likely in time for the Palace game. Jake F-C a good bet for tomorrow. He'll run his socks off to impress and you never know he might just do the trick.
saraman
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10:58am Fri 8 Mar 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:True Old Scrote, but we are not going to find another CMS anyway. At least Jake would have been training with the lads and be aware of what's required. Whereas a loanee will take a while to bed in.
saraman wrote: Too late for a loan player for tomorrow. The best we can hope for is for next Tuesday but mor likely in time for the Palace game. Jake F-C a good bet for tomorrow. He'll run his socks off to impress and you never know he might just do the trick.Hardly a CMS replacement though :-)
Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:19am Fri 8 Mar 13
saraman wrote:I would still prefer a loanee striker than a fringe midfielder playing upfront.
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:True Old Scrote, but we are not going to find another CMS anyway. At least Jake would have been training with the lads and be aware of what's required. Whereas a loanee will take a while to bed in.
saraman wrote: Too late for a loan player for tomorrow. The best we can hope for is for next Tuesday but mor likely in time for the Palace game. Jake F-C a good bet for tomorrow. He'll run his socks off to impress and you never know he might just do the trick.Hardly a CMS replacement though :-)
perkscfc
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11:24am Fri 8 Mar 13
He runs around a lot as well!
The Ghost of Fred Binney
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11:25am Fri 8 Mar 13
SeagullOverSelsey
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11:42am Fri 8 Mar 13
Appearances 75
Goals 5
Yellow cards 6
He's picked up more yellow cards than scored goals!
markymark03
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11:55am Fri 8 Mar 13
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:Agreed however if it is just someone to fill in for Ulloa and Barnes if tired or god forbid injured, perhaps he could be on a three month trial?
Sorry but I don't think Nile Ranger is the answer.Why?Look at his track record: Appearances 75 Goals 5 Yellow cards 6 He's picked up more yellow cards than scored goals!
Works for both for both of us although I think Barker should have the chance or as previosly mentioned trial either Calderon of JFC upfront or just behind
Norsk Seagull
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11:57am Fri 8 Mar 13
Tommy11 wrote:John Byrne in his prime would be more than good enough! If he brings his boots next game he's commentating on for us then maybe he'll get a game.
For the time being, I think we should stick Lua Lua upfront with Ulloa. He is strong, and could give us something different. He also hassels defenders.
Or if we want we could try and recall John Byrne back for the 4th time. He is about 50 odd now & retired but I reckon he could do a job for us - and he is keen!
On a serious note, I can't see Nile Ranger being the answer. No better than what we've got in my opinion. Not sure if we want this in our dressing rooom:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=oOZgThIdu
Vo
pjwilk
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12:16pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Norsk Seagull wrote:John Byrne was a good player,certainly a better player than a commentator,he just waffles on totally ignoring whats going on in the game.
Tommy11 wrote:John Byrne in his prime would be more than good enough! If he brings his boots next game he's commentating on for us then maybe he'll get a game.
For the time being, I think we should stick Lua Lua upfront with Ulloa. He is strong, and could give us something different. He also hassels defenders.
Or if we want we could try and recall John Byrne back for the 4th time. He is about 50 odd now & retired but I reckon he could do a job for us - and he is keen!
On a serious note, I can't see Nile Ranger being the answer. No better than what we've got in my opinion. Not sure if we want this in our dressing rooom:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=oOZgThIdu
Vo
markymark03
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12:23pm Fri 8 Mar 13
dave from bexill
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12:35pm Fri 8 Mar 13
The Ghost of Fred Binney wrote:Can you imagine Freeloaders reaction if the waste of space Ranger was signed
How about Nile Ranger just released by Newcastle? Would we forgive his past sins of being linked to the Stripey Nigels from South London?
Seagull in Malta
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12:39pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Grendel wrote:But when he was here :
Should have kept Dobbie, but hindsight is wonderful thing.
1.He didn't get much game time.
2.He wasn't very effective when he did come on.
The fans didn't seem to rate him either.
now he's great!
VegasSeagull
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1:07pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Ulloa was left out because he needed to rest, he didn't get a rest. If he needed a rest on tuesday and didn't get one would it not be wise to rest him now.
Ulloa may not start on saturday.
jcd1972
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1:08pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Dr Baldhead wrote:Dobbie was a mistake. He is more suited to Holloway's tactics which involve a more attacking line-up with Dobbie as a supporting striker. Dobbie didn't have the positional discipline or the hunger to get the ball back which is a hallmark of the likes of Barnes or CMS. Dobbie also isn't a presence in the way Ulloa is. I hope that a loan striker has physical presence in the box. Otherwise we'll still be over-dependent on Ulloa.
ah.. hindsight! Dobbie was bought when Gus thought CMS might have been leaving. Certainly I think many of us would be happy for him to still be here now. It's a really difficult one this - we need someone who can learn the style quickly, who can score goals and yet who may have to accept they will be sat on the bench. Awkward really... hope they find somebody half decent
markymark03
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1:09pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Seagull in Malta wrote:Exactly, more like desperation is a wonderful thing
Grendel wrote: Should have kept Dobbie, but hindsight is wonderful thing.But when he was here : 1.He didn't get much game time. 2.He wasn't very effective when he did come on. The fans didn't seem to rate him either. now he's great!
Old Scrote of the Amex
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1:12pm Fri 8 Mar 13
VegasSeagull wrote:But he didn't have to play a whole game = shorter recovery period.
I noticed yesterday that several posts, with regards to Saturday's match, contained various options for up front. Ulloa with this guy that guy and Ulloa as the single striker.
Ulloa was left out because he needed to rest, he didn't get a rest. If he needed a rest on tuesday and didn't get one would it not be wise to rest him now.
Ulloa may not start on saturday.
fairweathersupporter
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1:16pm Fri 8 Mar 13
jcd1972 wrote:Sensible comment alert... You must be watching the same team as me.
Dr Baldhead wrote: ah.. hindsight! Dobbie was bought when Gus thought CMS might have been leaving. Certainly I think many of us would be happy for him to still be here now. It's a really difficult one this - we need someone who can learn the style quickly, who can score goals and yet who may have to accept they will be sat on the bench. Awkward really... hope they find somebody half decentDobbie was a mistake. He is more suited to Holloway's tactics which involve a more attacking line-up with Dobbie as a supporting striker. Dobbie didn't have the positional discipline or the hunger to get the ball back which is a hallmark of the likes of Barnes or CMS. Dobbie also isn't a presence in the way Ulloa is. I hope that a loan striker has physical presence in the box. Otherwise we'll still be over-dependent on Ulloa.
Gee Jay
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1:17pm Fri 8 Mar 13
I have no ideas as to who Gus might be able to get, all I know is that he normally surprises us at about 10 to 11pm on a Thursday evening.
VegasSeagull
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1:17pm Fri 8 Mar 13
It seems to me that Poyet might be forced to borrow a player who is used to playing the lone striker role. A lone striker would have less of our playing style to take in simply because he is a lone striker.
SMF20
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1:29pm Fri 8 Mar 13
He is without a club and so we would not need to worry about giving him back to anyone.
On top of this because he would be seen as a fallback for Ulloa and I'm sure that even not match fit he would be a right handful for an hour.
Just a thought.
Uta
hannover seagull
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1:31pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Seagull in Malta wrote:Dobbies back at Hogwarts
Grendel wrote:But when he was here :
Should have kept Dobbie, but hindsight is wonderful thing.
1.He didn't get much game time.
2.He wasn't very effective when he did come on.
The fans didn't seem to rate him either.
now he's great!
Good riddance,lets leave it there
I agree with Gus´s wishes but it just aint that simple
Its not just through injury that a player is recalled,they sometimes call them back when they find a seam of form and start hitting the net
I don´t think he will get anyone under his terms at this time of the season.
I suppose he could muddle through and borrow for the last four weeks of the season(no recall) but whatever way you look at it, what a bad time to lose a striker on top of Hoskins
I can see JFC being prepped along with Barker and Barnes starting sometimes ahead ot Ulloa
Anyway what a great ride we´re on this season,promises to be nail biting to the last
UTA.................
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VegasSeagull
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1:36pm Fri 8 Mar 13
It's not the 45 he played that he needs to recover from, it's all the game prior to that 45.
Gee Jay
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1:37pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Albion23
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1:50pm Fri 8 Mar 13
tug509
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1:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
SMF20 wrote:And a good thought imo,frankly i dont care if we get a twinkle toes,or a sledgehammer,if he can help us to the play-offs and beyond,then he`s good enough for me,....just get him quick!. UTA
I still think John Carew would be a good bet if fit.
He is without a club and so we would not need to worry about giving him back to anyone.
On top of this because he would be seen as a fallback for Ulloa and I'm sure that even not match fit he would be a right handful for an hour.
Just a thought.
Uta
Dr Baldhead
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2:11pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Now the but... Warren Aspinal. I'm pleased he's overcome adversity etc, but he's so blinkered that he distorts the commentary. If you listened to Tuesday's BBC Sussex broadcast as I did, you may well have heard him saying how average Bristol were, how Albion only needed to go up one gear to win and at the end how jubilant the Bristol players were at getting a point from Albion. I think it’s now clear that he was spouting a load of hokum. Similarly, when someone texted the show to suggest that Gus was trying to be “clever” by dropping Ulloa, he went off on one defending Gus and, as has happened a number of times before, resorted to the “you don’t know football like we do” response. Remember when Hoskins returned from his broken foot? Aspinal said he’d need 8/9 reserve games before being considered for the first team squad. He played one before his call up! Knows his football??!!
I don’t think that being an Albion scout, is compatible with him being a co-commentator – he’s just too biased and is not giving listeners a true account of what is going on in the match. Other club employees (Paul Camlin for one) manage to juggle both roles, but I don’t think Aspinal can and I really think BBC Sussex should think hard about a replacement. For one, I’ve quite liked Gary Chivers when he’s sat alongside JC for the odd away game.
SMF20
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2:36pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Gee Jay wrote:I think you're right but equally I think it was Inter Milan and so it's no disgrace to be turned down by them.
If the John Carew that played for Aston Villa turned up, great, but didn't he go on trial to some Italian club, who decided not to take him on.quite recently?
I'm sure someone will put me right if it wasn't Inter.
Uta
SMF20
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2:37pm Fri 8 Mar 13
tug509 wrote:As he is without a club we could probably get him on pay as you play thus he is incentivised to do a job for us.
SMF20 wrote:And a good thought imo,frankly i dont care if we get a twinkle toes,or a sledgehammer,if he can help us to the play-offs and beyond,then he`s good enough for me,....just get him quick!. UTA
I still think John Carew would be a good bet if fit.
He is without a club and so we would not need to worry about giving him back to anyone.
On top of this because he would be seen as a fallback for Ulloa and I'm sure that even not match fit he would be a right handful for an hour.
Just a thought.
Uta
Uta
tug509
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2:49pm Fri 8 Mar 13
SMF20 wrote:Excellent,i hope Gus will consider him,or at least someone in a similar position. UTA
tug509 wrote:As he is without a club we could probably get him on pay as you play thus he is incentivised to do a job for us.
SMF20 wrote:And a good thought imo,frankly i dont care if we get a twinkle toes,or a sledgehammer,if he can help us to the play-offs and beyond,then he`s good enough for me,....just get him quick!. UTA
I still think John Carew would be a good bet if fit.
He is without a club and so we would not need to worry about giving him back to anyone.
On top of this because he would be seen as a fallback for Ulloa and I'm sure that even not match fit he would be a right handful for an hour.
Just a thought.
Uta
Uta
SeagullOverSelsey
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3:04pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Clean Sheet
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3:20pm Fri 8 Mar 13
tug509
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3:31pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Clean Sheet wrote:Yes for ACCRINGTON STANLEY!!!,i can hear thousands of Albion fans screaming...who are day!..thats a joke ,right. UTA
James Beattie? 35, but still playing.
SeagullOverSelsey
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3:31pm Fri 8 Mar 13
hannover seagull
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3:56pm Fri 8 Mar 13
tug509 wrote:If these are the sort of players being mentioned then god help us
Clean Sheet wrote:Yes for ACCRINGTON STANLEY!!!,i can hear thousands of Albion fans screaming...who are day!..thats a joke ,right. UTA
James Beattie? 35, but still playing.
Would rather have DS boys or even David making a cameo anyday
UTA.................
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Old Scrote of the Amex
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4:30pm Fri 8 Mar 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Granted, but I'm guessing that Gus just didn't think he could play a full 90 minutes - if he thought he was incapable of playing at all then he wouldn't have been in the squad. Ulloa didn't play a full game against Huddersfield remember and I'm sure the 45 mins against Bristol were no worse than the training he would have had to do anyway. Basically, I don't think the 45 mins would have set him back given that he will have had 4 days to recover.
OldScrote, yes he only played 45 minutes but they were 45 minutes Gus didn't want him to play. If he needed a rest before those 45 minutes then surely playing 45 minutes did nothing but hurt.
It's not the 45 he played that he needs to recover from, it's all the game prior to that 45.
franckiep en france
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5:04pm Fri 8 Mar 13
VegasSeagull
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5:07pm Fri 8 Mar 13
My fear is that too much play for Ulloa might see him join our other strikers on sick leave.
The fact that Gus didn't start Ulloa at Bristol, and considering the lad had only days earlier scored a hat trick, suggests to me that Ulloa really did need a break. Not too many guys that tuck three goals away get benched for the next game.
Whilst it is likely that Ulloa will start against Bolton, I would not be surprised if he didn't.
DazLow
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5:36pm Fri 8 Mar 13
I'd have a punt on Fortune from WBA. e could do he lone striker but and has been more a Sub than anything else. Perhaps an enquiry about Odemwingie too...ha ha!
Another option could be Bent from Villa. Unlikely and expensive, but stranger things have happened.
Stokes at Celtic may be worth an enquiry as well. Not played much and loves a night out.
oksouthstander
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6:43pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Totally agree, JC isn't a bad TV commentator, but is the worst radio commentator of any football match commentary I have ever heard. He even gets excited when the opposing team is attacking, which leaves you at a loss to know exactly in which part of the field the ball is. I really do not need all the updates on the other games or the ins and outs of JBs half time snacks. I often switch to the away commentary. Incidentally I love JB as a colour guy (co-commentator), but I don't need JC as a colour guy as well... Bring back Tim Humphries and John Lees!
WestStander17
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6:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
tonytowner1
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7:07pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Tommy11 wrote:Agreed. With very similar names it'll confuse their pre match tactics!!
For the time being, I think we should stick Lua Lua upfront with Ulloa. He is strong, and could give us something different. He also hassels defenders.
Or if we want we could try and recall John Byrne back for the 4th time. He is about 50 odd now & retired but I reckon he could do a job for us - and he is keen!
Lua Lua is the man - 45 mins and see how he gets on - I reckon he's good for a gaol or a penalty generally - makes things happen - after Tuesday we need someone / as many, like that, as we can get assuming he's not too jaded right now :-)
Clean Sheet
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7:34pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Harry from Hassocks
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8:43pm Fri 8 Mar 13
VegasSeagull
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9:19pm Fri 8 Mar 13
From 4 to 2 in a blink of the eye and now we scramble to find a loanee.
I know many will say that we should use our DS players but in truth, our DS players have as yet proven that they could cope and or deliver. The new DS signings are clearly a cut above our usual standard and in one or two years it wouldn't be a surprise to see them make the step up to first team football. There will be many new lads joining us in the near future but all that is tomorrow, todays DS strikers will probably move on at the end of this season no matter what.
I suppose it's one game at a time, we look ok for saturday, get that one done and then think about the next. That's what us fans can do, Poyet, well he has to set his mind to thinking way further down the road.
Baldseagull
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9:34pm Fri 8 Mar 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Your comment reminded me of the nickname "jigsaw", given to players who never score because they go to pieces in the box.
We are back to trying to finish the jigsaw puzzle but one piece is missing. There are several pieces that are the right shape, they will plug the hole but the picture on those pieces are not our picture.
It seems to me that Poyet might be forced to borrow a player who is used to playing the lone striker role. A lone striker would have less of our playing style to take in simply because he is a lone striker.
mickp99
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12:38am Sat 9 Mar 13
By now you should have noticed that Gus only plays one up front. We have already played u
Ulloa, Barnes and Vicente in that role. Any one or two of them is good enough for me. All the loan signings people are talking about would be a long way behind these three.
Freeloaders says...
9:24am Fri 8 Mar 13