Barnes saw red for "trying to trip ref" (From The Argus)

What an idiot,with only 3 mins left
Get rid of him asap.

What a complete nutter. A stupid, spoilt brat who doesn't deserve to wear our shirt. Sack him Poyet.

Idiot

This might be the end of the road for Barnes if He tried to trip the Ref surely that is like a violent conduct charge against an Official and He will have his card marked qmongst Referees.

Unbelievable - now we are down to one striker. Better get busy in the loan market, Gus!

He didn’t deny the ref a scoring opportunity, so what’s the problem?

"Ashley Barnes was sent-off for trying to trip the referee" from the next Argus posting - quite incredible and totally unacceptable if so. Same if is bad language. This is the guy that used to happily take our penalties and the goal stats that went with him when he managed to get one in. The situation is laughable really. If his goals, levels of skill and ability were excellent or even "very good" and he was making the difference in the team, then Gus's continued belief in Barnes would be fine and understandable - as fans we'd put up with his immaturity, hot headedness, poor first touch or whatever - but the fact is he isn't and the stats don't support his case

His first start in 6 matches - our first loss in six matches. Perhaps Gus supports him and backs him so much, in part, as he knows so many of the crowd don't see in him what he reckons he can see

Listing on SCR today there were at least 4 times where Ashley seemed to get in the way/ be unaware of his team mates and on two occasions costs us a better opportunity. Someone else can be the person where he is and will put more in

So, apart from broadly, other results, this week - the best news for most fans is his sending off and hopefully the forcing of Gus and Tony to rapidly get a loan striker in till the end of the season

Good to see Gus has not spotted that Hammond and Crofts doesn't work, Vicente as loan striker doesn't work, Buckley is low on confidence and well done for ringing the changes (apart from Barnes)

How great it would be to see Vicente start two home games one time this season on the trot

20 shots today - 20 up on Tuesday (Middlesbrough didn't do much better than us today down there)

Hopefully that's it for Barnes this year - a decent league 1 striker, gives his all but cannot be trusted

Barnsley getting tonked by City at the moment means it could go either way of course on Tuesday

No time to waste Gus and Tony - as each match passes there's less points to get

Taxi for Barnes!

what an idiot. This could make or break the season.

The referee asked for it

You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

I thought the ref dived

Dolph Ins wrote:
I thought the ref dived

No, all credit to him he stayed on his feet because he didnt want to book himself for simulation

Dolph Ins wrote:
I thought the ref dived

Great comment. Sadly a taxi for Barnes to grand a gesture , perhaps I will pick him up in my tractor and trailer full of pig .... As that's what his actions could have dropped us in.
Something in Scotland springs to mind ............ ( the caber) . You all get it.

If this turns out to be true then Barnes has not only let the club, The manager and the supporters down he may have also cost the club a lot of money from the play offs and the premiere league opportunity the rest of the players have fought for so far this season. If you did this at your work you would be warned for the first incident and sacked for the second especially costing the company a loss of revenue. Sorry to those who think Barnes is a top player but I think he has lost a lot of support from fans now, let him go and spend the wage on someone who at least can act like an adult!!!!

get rid of barnes... and the idiot that picked him...... meanwhile Glenn has bagged himself another brace... and what of wallower...... like a pig in **** today..... fat see you next tuesday

tonytowner1 wrote:
"Ashley Barnes was sent-off for trying to trip the referee" from the next Argus posting - quite incredible and totally unacceptable if so. Same if is bad language. This is the guy that used to happily take our penalties and the goal stats that went with him when he managed to get one in. The situation is laughable really. If his goals, levels of skill and ability were excellent or even "very good" and he was making the difference in the team, then Gus's continued belief in Barnes would be fine and understandable - as fans we'd put up with his immaturity, hot headedness, poor first touch or whatever - but the fact is he isn't and the stats don't support his case

His first start in 6 matches - our first loss in six matches. Perhaps Gus supports him and backs him so much, in part, as he knows so many of the crowd don't see in him what he reckons he can see

Listing on SCR today there were at least 4 times where Ashley seemed to get in the way/ be unaware of his team mates and on two occasions costs us a better opportunity. Someone else can be the person where he is and will put more in

So, apart from broadly, other results, this week - the best news for most fans is his sending off and hopefully the forcing of Gus and Tony to rapidly get a loan striker in till the end of the season

Good to see Gus has not spotted that Hammond and Crofts doesn't work, Vicente as loan striker doesn't work, Buckley is low on confidence and well done for ringing the changes (apart from Barnes)

How great it would be to see Vicente start two home games one time this season on the trot

20 shots today - 20 up on Tuesday (Middlesbrough didn't do much better than us today down there)

Hopefully that's it for Barnes this year - a decent league 1 striker, gives his all but cannot be trusted

Barnsley getting tonked by City at the moment means it could go either way of course on Tuesday

No time to waste Gus and Tony - as each match passes there's less points to get

Took the words out of my mouth...

I have spent the last hour trying to defend this guy,now i hear this. He`s not only made a fool of himself,but his supporters as well.

tug509 wrote:
I have spent the last hour trying to defend this guy,now i hear this. He`s not only made a fool of himself,but his supporters as well.

Very true.

Maybe Barnes can pay for the second loan striker we need?

Barnes is a liability and should never play for the albion again.

Hovite wrote:
He didn’t deny the ref a scoring opportunity, so what’s the problem?

Heh heh heh :-) No doubt our resident expert who is always proved 100% correct in hindsight will see this as me replying to myself!

Calm down & carry on commenting! Ash works tirelessly for the team and he will deeply regret catching up with the ref to remonstrate & presumably, carelessly clip his trailing leg? Resulting in a red card most fans are dismayed to see and only his detractors wish to floor him with!
Gus and the team will fine & forfeit Barnsey respectfully.
As for the ref, I wish him a safe trip home.

I haven't seen the footage, but presumably the Barnes defences could be either 1) Don't be ridiculous, of course I didn't try to trip the ref 2) Even though you didn't give the penalty, I still had a massive bang on the head and wasn't thinking straight or 3) I didn't know he was there and he ran across me.
Surely grounds for an appeal ther?

Maybe Gus will finally realise that Barnes has no place at BHA. Most of us supporters have known it all season, but this has to be the final straw. He has let down the club, the supporters and his team mates. We wont miss him, in fact we'll be stronger without him cos we can rotate Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente, Lopez, Lua Lua, Hammond, Croft in that support striker roll.
It sounded as if we played really well today and deserved something from the game. It does now make beating Barnsley and Palace an absolute imperative, so it's going to be a crucial 8 days for us. So the only positive from today will hopefully be we have seen the last of Barnes ! Idiot

By 'Most of us supporters' I presume you mean a few including yourself.

Every cloud has a silver lining and all that......

What a gloriously foolish and inept way to sign off your Albion career. And how very appropriate for a gloriously inept fool.

Like it or not, if we get near the playoffs we are going to need Ashley and I suspect a few on this thread, NSC etc will have some serious humble pie to munch.

And as for the match - a pretty good performance that was worth at least a point. And as we didn't deserve a thing at Bristol then one point over the 2 games is pretty fair. Win the game in hand Tuesday and we're still on track.

2ndCitySeagull wrote:
Calm down & carry on commenting! Ash works tirelessly for the team and he will deeply regret catching up with the ref to remonstrate & presumably, carelessly clip his trailing leg? Resulting in a red card most fans are dismayed to see and only his detractors wish to floor him with! Gus and the team will fine & forfeit Barnsey respectfully. As for the ref, I wish him a safe trip home.

Are you serious in this comment?

'Deeply regret catching with the ref to remonstrate.'
Ever heard of keeping your head in the dying moments of a match?

'Carelessly clip his trailing leg.' So it was an accident, an accident you last saw when, when did you last see a ref accidentialy tripped by a player?

'Resulting in a red card most fans are dismayed to see and only his detractors with to floor him with!'
Really, is that how you think the fans are feeling? As a long time supporter of Barnes I for one am only dismayed by the fact that he was stupid enough to try and trip the ref.

Safe trip home for the ref, certainly, Barnes is the offender not the ref. I ownder what his team mates are saying to him on the, 'trip home.'

Seagull John wrote:
By 'Most of us supporters' I presume you mean a few including yourself.

Well said, this ref was bad all day long and another one would have seen the funny side and just raised his eyebrows at him.

Great opportunity to get the daggers out though, I sense a Barnes feeding frenzy sleepover party coming on. Get your nighties out girls.

No one is mentioning how well we played today, including the evil one.

VegasSeagull wrote:
You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

Everyone i know that works in the game thinks he should be out the club after this.The punishment must be hard and now.FACT Glen Murray is a top class championship striker.CMS,Hoskins,
Barker,and Toby are nightclub rubbish that will never score the goals in the championship.People like me are never wrong about players.Thats why i was 100% correct about Painter.Before he got there Bournemouth were top of league one.The vile freeloader has turned their season upside down.Also players Like Sparrow and Harley are not even great league one players.Matt Tubbs was a great non-league striker,and also a great league 2 striker.But it ends there like it did once before when he was given the chance.People like me notice these things,and will never very often get it wrong.CMS,Hoskins,Ba
rker,and Toby are all freeloading lower league players.Nothing would change next season even if 100% fit.Not one other club in this country wants them,not even on loan.Not one other club wants Lewis Dunk when not even part of our squad.Not even on loan.Thats 100% FACT like it or not.But its also 100% fact that everyone that works in the game also thinks Glen Murray is a top championship striker.

Barnes will be hit with minimum 4 match ban now,possibly worse if he 'assaulted' the ref plus a hefty fine hopefully. He just never ever learns does he.

Seagull John wrote:
Like it or not, if we get near the playoffs we are going to need Ashley and I suspect a few on this thread, NSC etc will have some serious humble pie to munch.

Nah, put Lua Lua or JFC in his place, anyone please, they sure do better than if we have 10 men

Gazza by the sea wrote:
And as for the match - a pretty good performance that was worth at least a point. And as we didn't deserve a thing at Bristol then one point over the 2 games is pretty fair. Win the game in hand Tuesday and we're still on track.

Naive!

Barnes is hot headed and passionate and has been a very silly boy by the sound of it. However, to say that most Albion fans have wanted to see the back of him is frankly ridiculous.

From Gus's post match comments it is clear that the club is going to deal with Barnes as is right and proper. To suggest that he should never play again for the Albion when we are down to our last 2 strikers is also bonkers.

Some seem to forget he was our top scorer last season, and got a few more than a certain Glenn Murray. Discipline wise he has certainly lost his way this season.

Really good point, he was stupid,but it did not cost us the game today tho

Looking at Bolton website, Barnes delayed going off and had to be pushed off the pitch by Bruno, this wasted a couple of mins and the ref then blew.Great stuff Ashley,its all about you,think of your team mates andthe supporters not to mention your manager.

I had to comment on this situ so here we go... Ashley Barnes will know he has let himself and the team / fans down tonight so will be feeling terrible about the situ as I know he is passionate about our club however this is the second clueless incident that has impacted our promotion push with him just being brainless. I want him OUT of the club, I'm fed up with him being picked anyway let alone having to put up with his pathetic school boy antics. GROW up Ashley or #### off to another team
we deserve better than this. Poyet LOVES picking him and if he does plays him out of position. Sentiment is going to get us nowhere. Do us all a favour Gus and let him go in the summer. I back all of our players and have backed Barnes but enough is enough! Roll on Barnsley huge game.

Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_
Pg

At 0:55 exactly, you can just about see that Barnes makes a blatant attempt to trip the ref up. Disgraceful and deserved the red.

The only positive: he's out for four games now. That reduces our chances of losing because we'll be able to play with 11 men for the entirety of the game.

UTA

Freeloaders wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

Everyone i know that works in the game thinks he should be out the club after this.The punishment must be hard and now.FACT Glen Murray is a top class championship striker.CMS,Hoskins,

Barker,and Toby are nightclub rubbish that will never score the goals in the championship.People like me are never wrong about players.Thats why i was 100% correct about Painter.Before he got there Bournemouth were top of league one.The vile freeloader has turned their season upside down.Also players Like Sparrow and Harley are not even great league one players.Matt Tubbs was a great non-league striker,and also a great league 2 striker.But it ends there like it did once before when he was given the chance.People like me notice these things,and will never very often get it wrong.CMS,Hoskins,Ba

rker,and Toby are all freeloading lower league players.Nothing would change next season even if 100% fit.Not one other club in this country wants them,not even on loan.Not one other club wants Lewis Dunk when not even part of our squad.Not even on loan.Thats 100% FACT like it or not.But its also 100% fact that everyone that works in the game also thinks Glen Murray is a top championship striker.

Had a bad day Dave?

Andy Structible wrote:
Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_

Pg

At 0:55 exactly, you can just about see that Barnes makes a blatant attempt to trip the ref up. Disgraceful and deserved the red.

The only positive: he's out for four games now. That reduces our chances of losing because we'll be able to play with 11 men for the entirety of the game.

UTA

outstanding post.100% spot on.

I want to make it clear that what Ashley has done tonite comes as no surprise, after all lat season he thought it would be nice to collect three points from the cup game with Newcastle !
What a GAWK, ash you have to go !

"Just high spirits! I would have done the same when i was playing, but would have got away with it! I will have to teach my dear Ash how to make it look accidental in future"
"As for Glenn Murray, well an extra £5k a week would have been FAR too high a price to pay as in my view he was lucky to be in my Div 1 side. It was obviously my coaching that improved his game!"
In any case he's almost 30 and nearly past it"
"Never mind, we now play the Barcelona way, with 10 goalscoring outfielders (they are all strikers!)"

It must be time to recall Jake Forster-Caskey and possibly young Ben Dickenson who has scored in each of his first 2 games on loan for Wimbledon, and looks to be a skilfull player. They will keep the bench nice and warm.
Oh shucks! I've just said that I don't believe in recalling players out on loan! "Yes I know I could have got players like Kevin Phillips or Connor Wickham or DJ Campbell or Leroy Lita or..... but why do I need more strikers when I've got Ashley who can play in any position and puts himself about so much that even the ref can't get out of his way! What a player! I love his workrate and his spirit!"

Lets be honest 100% FACT only Barnett would take Barker this season,and only for 4 weeks.They couldn't wait to send it back.But even more to the point Toby has not been any part of the first team at any point this season.But not one lower league club has asked to take him on loan.Not even Crawley just up the road.But they are happy to take a Swansea player on loan lol.Work it out people.

Guernsey gull wrote:
I want to make it clear that what Ashley has done tonite comes as no surprise, after all lat season he thought it would be nice to collect three points from the cup game with Newcastle !
What a GAWK, ash you have to go !

And now in English please

Vince wrote:
"Just high spirits! I would have done the same when i was playing, but would have got away with it! I will have to teach my dear Ash how to make it look accidental in future"
"As for Glenn Murray, well an extra £5k a week would have been FAR too high a price to pay as in my view he was lucky to be in my Div 1 side. It was obviously my coaching that improved his game!"
In any case he's almost 30 and nearly past it"
"Never mind, we now play the Barcelona way, with 10 goalscoring outfielders (they are all strikers!)"

It must be time to recall Jake Forster-Caskey and possibly young Ben Dickenson who has scored in each of his first 2 games on loan for Wimbledon, and looks to be a skilfull player. They will keep the bench nice and warm.
Oh shucks! I've just said that I don't believe in recalling players out on loan! "Yes I know I could have got players like Kevin Phillips or Connor Wickham or DJ Campbell or Leroy Lita or..... but why do I need more strikers when I've got Ashley who can play in any position and puts himself about so much that even the ref can't get out of his way! What a player! I love his workrate and his spirit!"

Take it you are taking the p--s Vince lol?

Andy Structable
Watched the video several times and although a distance away it does look deliberate trip on ref,just can't help himself can he.

It was Luis Suarez' fault!

VegasSeagull wrote:
You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

The fact of the matter is Digger couldnt even trip the ref up properly, needs to watch a Di Canio dvd! Sorry Mr Barnes time to go!
Give Toby a chance or play Kaz alongside Ulloa.

Andy Structible wrote:
Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_

Pg

At 0:55 exactly, you can just about see that Barnes makes a blatant attempt to trip the ref up. Disgraceful and deserved the red.

The only positive: he's out for four games now. That reduces our chances of losing because we'll be able to play with 11 men for the entirety of the game.

UTA

Alternatively you can see barely any contact at all and no apparent attempt to trip the ref who caught him as he ran by. I smell an appeal coming here unless Sky shows something a little more damning?

VegasSeagull wrote:

2ndCitySeagull wrote:
Calm down & carry on commenting! Ash works tirelessly for the team and he will deeply regret catching up with the ref to remonstrate & presumably, carelessly clip his trailing leg? Resulting in a red card most fans are dismayed to see and only his detractors wish to floor him with! Gus and the team will fine & forfeit Barnsey respectfully. As for the ref, I wish him a safe trip home.

Are you serious in this comment?

'Deeply regret catching with the ref to remonstrate.'
Ever heard of keeping your head in the dying moments of a match?

'Carelessly clip his trailing leg.' So it was an accident, an accident you last saw when, when did you last see a ref accidentialy tripped by a player?

'Resulting in a red card most fans are dismayed to see and only his detractors with to floor him with!'
Really, is that how you think the fans are feeling? As a long time supporter of Barnes I for one am only dismayed by the fact that he was stupid enough to try and trip the ref.

Safe trip home for the ref, certainly, Barnes is the offender not the ref. I ownder what his team mates are saying to him on the, 'trip home.'

The team will take care of each other.

Steve Sidwell was the last pro footballer I recall accidentally upending a ref.

As for remaining professional at the end of an exhausting match, Gus will be the judge of that and Ash will have much to reflect on.

For those who haven't seen the video:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_
Pg

Here's a link to a picture of the incident:

http://i1309.photobu
cket.com/albums/s624
/andrewderrett/barne
sred1_zps3e1c9230.pn
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Make up your own mind, I certainly have.

Face facts folks. Gus continually persists with both Barnes and CMS in the desperate hope that one day they will actually consistently score goals and be decent strikers so that he can be vindicated in letting Murray walk out the door in a tiff. Just own up Gus, you screwed up BIG !

Fact is : Barnes and CMS are not at the class level to be devastating strikers at this level, never have been and never will be, (and neither is Hoskins), and thats why we had to buy Ulloa for 2 Mill after having wasted 2 Mill on CMS and putting blind faith in the other two.

If any of us, and Gus, truly want to see BHA get promoted, we simply have to start over with the striker options we've had thus far, so in my opinion, Barnes and CMS need to move on, as does Hoskins, and the jury is still out on Ulloa because its too early to judge.

Wake up and smell the coffee !

Freeloaders wrote:

Andy Structible wrote:
Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_


Pg

At 0:55 exactly, you can just about see that Barnes makes a blatant attempt to trip the ref up. Disgraceful and deserved the red.

The only positive: he's out for four games now. That reduces our chances of losing because we'll be able to play with 11 men for the entirety of the game.

UTA

outstanding post.100% spot on.

Rubbish, you can't really tell anything from that video as it starts panning at just the wrong moment. But then, people like you are never wrong are you? An absolute genius who knows more about the game than anyone else. Still, shame you never made it as a player, eh?

Andy Structible wrote:
For those who haven't seen the video:

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_

Pg

Here's a link to a picture of the incident:

http://i1309.photobu

cket.com/albums/s624

/andrewderrett/barne

sred1_zps3e1c9230.pn

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Make up your own mind, I certainly have.

If those are your only evidence then I guess you made up your mind in advance.

Andy Structible wrote:
For those who haven't seen the video:

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_

Pg

Here's a link to a picture of the incident:

http://i1309.photobu

cket.com/albums/s624

/andrewderrett/barne

sred1_zps3e1c9230.pn

g

Make up your own mind, I certainly have.

He's running after the ref to ask him if he'd doing anything tonite and accidentally catches the ref's heel.

The ref is a silly arse and Ash is innocent.

OK?

Gus's achilles heel has definitely been spotting or acquiring a good English striker. Perhaps it's the typical continental lack of respect for anything which smacks of brainless kick and rush football, with balls constantly whacked into the box for a big burly centre forward to ram into the net!
Unfortunately, he totally under-rated Glenn Murray, otherwise he would have fought much much harder to keep him. His other forward acquisitions - Vokes, Paynter, Dobbie have all failed miserably, and Hoskins has been blighted by injury. CMS, whilst lacking intricate ball skills (so desired by Gus), has nevertheless given his everything for the club, and with better service and a system more suited to his style, would probably have scored double the number of goals that he has scored. I cannot speak more highly of him, but I think the Championship is probably his limit.

I can't understand why Gus hasn't experimented in playing Lua Lua up front alongside (or just behind) Ulloa.
He has pace, goes direct for goal and has a tremendous shot and turn of speed. He could be another Vydra with a bit of confidence and coaching.

The picture was small so I pressed the C and + key to enlarge the picture. Then you will see Ash merely clip his back heel.

Just unfortunate when your luck is out

Pressbox, I agree with some of what you say, not all but some.

Dobbie was a panic buy because in the closing hours of the window it looked like CMS was on his way, but then it didn't happen. Dobbie never found his home with us so now he is gone.

Ok so we got CMS, and to be fair he started well, scored a few and the fans loved his work rate. The problem with having a high work rate but low scoring rate, which he now has, is that you look as though you are running around and producing nothing.

To his credit CMS does get back really well and supports the midfield when defending, and he has the pace to break out. For us today that is not enough as we need goals to keep our promotion run going. I happen to agree with you, once this season is done, up or not, CMS needs to move on, if only for his own sake. We will lose money on the deal but that's how football is sometimes.

Barnes has scored some important goals for Brighton, this year and last, and we should not forget that. I am not sure that he will be forgiven his red cards if we do not get promoted, the finger of blame will start to point in his direction. Today his card didn't cost us any points but his last one arguably did. We don't yet know what his card of today will mean over the next four matches but it can't help.
Again I agree, Barnes should move on next season, and again for his own good. I don't see him maturing enough as a person to keep his place in the team and possibly not the squad.
Rash tackles are one thing but to go for the ref, well that's something on a different level. Gus has shown a lot of faith in the lad but how can he (Gus) continue to back Barnes after today. Even if all had beem ok for Barnes he is no way a prem player and that is our aim.

I differ with you regarding Hoskins, I think another year might see the best of him. Our new acadamy will no doubt see maybe one or two new coaches arrive at the club, some one on one time with Hoskins could serve us well.
All the reports talk of his, 'silky skills,' and the little I have seen of him it's clear that he is comfortable on the ball. I wouldn't discard him just yet, one more year and then decide.

Ulloa has shown enough to me to suggest that he is the real deal. A lack of match time over the last year added to the amount of match time he has had with us is taking it's toll on the lad, but that should not surprise us.
Promotion will bring new players, we will pretty much start again, I am sure Ulloa will be part of that. Even if we do not go up this year, Ulloa will be abig part of our run next year. Several of our players might go in the summer, loan deals ending and others out of contract. I think Gus will rebuild around the likes of Ulloa, Bridcutt, (if we can keep him) David, TK and others.

A long winded response to your post, sorry about that but I felt it worthy of such a response.

pte wrote:

Andy Structible wrote:
For those who haven't seen the video:

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_


Pg

Here's a link to a picture of the incident:

http://i1309.photobu


cket.com/albums/s624


/andrewderrett/barne


sred1_zps3e1c9230.pn


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Make up your own mind, I certainly have.

He's running after the ref to ask him if he'd doing anything tonite and accidentally catches the ref's heel.

The ref is a silly arse and Ash is innocent.

OK?

Not really...

Freeloaders wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

Everyone i know that works in the game thinks he should be out the club after this.The punishment must be hard and now.FACT Glen Murray is a top class championship striker.CMS,Hoskins,

Barker,and Toby are nightclub rubbish that will never score the goals in the championship.People like me are never wrong about players.Thats why i was 100% correct about Painter.Before he got there Bournemouth were top of league one.The vile freeloader has turned their season upside down.Also players Like Sparrow and Harley are not even great league one players.Matt Tubbs was a great non-league striker,and also a great league 2 striker.But it ends there like it did once before when he was given the chance.People like me notice these things,and will never very often get it wrong.CMS,Hoskins,Ba

rker,and Toby are all freeloading lower league players.Nothing would change next season even if 100% fit.Not one other club in this country wants them,not even on loan.Not one other club wants Lewis Dunk when not even part of our squad.Not even on loan.Thats 100% FACT like it or not.But its also 100% fact that everyone that works in the game also thinks Glen Murray is a top championship striker.

Cheers for your comments Mr Clever cloggs, sorry Mr know it all

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Andy Structible wrote:
For those who haven't seen the video:

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_


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Here's a link to a picture of the incident:

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Make up your own mind, I certainly have.

If those are your only evidence then I guess you made up your mind in advance.

I'd made up my mind that Barnes was a stupid fool 'in advance', yes. But didn't we all? As soon as I heard that he was sent off I was immediately infuruiated with him. What's wrong with that?

The pictures/video merely confirmed my annoyance.

Anyway, let's move on from this and put in a top performance on Tuesday and (hopefully) climb into the top six, without Barnes.

His last red card kick started an unbeaten run. All the more reason to be thankful for his antics today.

I has thought at the time that he was merely pointing out to the ref that he had offered poor Leo absolutely no protection from the continuous roughing up that he took throughout the match. Here really was a poor ref.

Following evidence from the club and an apology from the player, I predict the red card will be rescinded, replaced by a yellow and not just Ashley Barnes mother will love him again.

just watched glenn murray bag another couple on leeds,,,,,, how the f did palace get him for 0

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:

Freeloaders wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

Everyone i know that works in the game thinks he should be out the club after this.The punishment must be hard and now.FACT Glen Murray is a top class championship striker.CMS,Hoskins,


Barker,and Toby are nightclub rubbish that will never score the goals in the championship.People like me are never wrong about players.Thats why i was 100% correct about Painter.Before he got there Bournemouth were top of league one.The vile freeloader has turned their season upside down.Also players Like Sparrow and Harley are not even great league one players.Matt Tubbs was a great non-league striker,and also a great league 2 striker.But it ends there like it did once before when he was given the chance.People like me notice these things,and will never very often get it wrong.CMS,Hoskins,Ba


rker,and Toby are all freeloading lower league players.Nothing would change next season even if 100% fit.Not one other club in this country wants them,not even on loan.Not one other club wants Lewis Dunk when not even part of our squad.Not even on loan.Thats 100% FACT like it or not.But its also 100% fact that everyone that works in the game also thinks Glen Murray is a top championship striker.

Cheers for your comments Mr Clever cloggs, sorry Mr know it all

You are welcome.I think anyone who watched the football league show tonight,and if they are really honest can see that Glen Murray is a top championship striker.Anyone with half a football brain can see that CMS,Hoskins,Barnes,B
arker and Toby are just vile freeloaders.All getting paid a very large amount of money for doing nothing.The club made a very big mistake the other week when it said,"If we are in the prem-league we know the players we will be after,but if we are still in the championship not many will come in."Freeloaders like Barnes,Dunk,Hoskins,
and CMS are all going out their way to to pick up injurys,or get sent off.They all know 100% the club would never keep them in the prem-league.Also if you watched the video on the football league show tonight you can see Barnes is guilty as sin.His contract should be ended first thing on monday.Millions of people have lost their jobs and homes all over this country for know good reason.The same should happen to a footballer.

They need a rest,and time to recover lol.Do you ever here this from any other manager on the football league show.Loads of them were off their faces down Preston street after the Huddersfield game.Maybe thats really got a bit more to do with it.

I agree that is this comes out it is true then it was stupid but this is only what the ref has said so far
Poyet was gong to review the DVD so he can see himself
I had a look at the high list on sky sports and to me it looked like nothing I think the ref just wanted a big fuss most refs are shocking anyway with there decisions
We know that as brighton supporters
Nether the less if we don't get another two strikers in soon we have got a problem or maybe one striker and adgestien I don't know let's see

I felt the need to overreact... After some careful, considered reading, i feel better... Thanks Argus Website.

Gazza by the sea wrote:
His last red card kick started an unbeaten run. All the more reason to be thankful for his antics today.

I has thought at the time that he was merely pointing out to the ref that he had offered poor Leo absolutely no protection from the continuous roughing up that he took throughout the match. Here really was a poor ref.

Do we have to keep blaming the refereee every time we lose?
Poor Leo being roughed up with absolutely no protection? Come on Gazza. So are many championship strikers roughed up every week. He is a big lad that the manager signed to give some physical strength to the attack. He needs to watch some videos of Alex Dawson or Sammy Morgan!

My god I just get more and more fed up of this guy. Not too bothered that he's going to be suspended for a good few games now. If we go well again while he is suspended again then it's hard to see a way back for him. Don't understand why there are a group of people that defend him at all costs. He is constantly whining, niggling, diving, ducking out of headers, and generally breaking up our otherwise fluent football.

Freeloaders wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
You couldn't make this up and have it sound more crazy, TRIED TO TRIP THE REF!!!

So we all thought that it was a case of foul and abusive language directed at the ref but oh no, nothing so trvial as that, Barnes wanted the guy on the floor.

There is nothing that Barnes can say that can get him out of the whole he has dug for himself, no excuses.
There is nothing that Gus can say to help him. The club will have to act quickly and impose a punishment, if only to let the FA know that they too won't tollerate such behaviour.

I have been a supporter of Barnes but I have to wonder, what on earth was going on in his head.

Everyone i know that works in the game thinks he should be out the club after this.The punishment must be hard and now.FACT Glen Murray is a top class championship striker.CMS,Hoskins,

Barker,and Toby are nightclub rubbish that will never score the goals in the championship.People like me are never wrong about players.Thats why i was 100% correct about Painter.Before he got there Bournemouth were top of league one.The vile freeloader has turned their season upside down.Also players Like Sparrow and Harley are not even great league one players.Matt Tubbs was a great non-league striker,and also a great league 2 striker.But it ends there like it did once before when he was given the chance.People like me notice these things,and will never very often get it wrong.CMS,Hoskins,Ba

rker,and Toby are all freeloading lower league players.Nothing would change next season even if 100% fit.Not one other club in this country wants them,not even on loan.Not one other club wants Lewis Dunk when not even part of our squad.Not even on loan.Thats 100% FACT like it or not.But its also 100% fact that everyone that works in the game also thinks Glen Murray is a top championship striker.

You will be saying that modesty and humilty are your best virtues next.

Andy Structible wrote:
Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_

Pg

At 0:55 exactly, you can just about see that Barnes makes a blatant attempt to trip the ref up. Disgraceful and deserved the red.

The only positive: he's out for four games now. That reduces our chances of losing because we'll be able to play with 11 men for the entirety of the game.

UTA

Personally i couldnt see it clear enough even on full screen. What i did see was the ref cross straight in Barnes path,if it was on purpose he is an idiot,but i think there is a case for the ref feeling embarrassed and Barnes paying the price!.

Seagull John wrote:

Andy Structible wrote:
Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=IVGdkTLv_


Pg

At 0:55 exactly, you can just about see that Barnes makes a blatant attempt to trip the ref up. Disgraceful and deserved the red.

The only positive: he's out for four games now. That reduces our chances of losing because we'll be able to play with 11 men for the entirety of the game.

UTA

Alternatively you can see barely any contact at all and no apparent attempt to trip the ref who caught him as he ran by. I smell an appeal coming here unless Sky shows something a little more damning?

I saw it your way, John. Looked accidental to me even though Digger is not my favourite.

The Ref gave Ulloa or any Brighton player a decision totally a Homer.It was an accidental coming together,he just clipped his heel(ref didnt even have the ball).No seriously he was trying to catch up with him to have a word,the ref is a bit of a Jessie.We should appeal the ref was facing the other way so could not have seen the incident.

pjwilk wrote:
The Ref gave Ulloa or any Brighton player a decision totally a Homer.It was an accidental coming together,he just clipped his heel(ref didnt even have the ball).No seriously he was trying to catch up with him to have a word,the ref is a bit of a Jessie.We should appeal the ref was facing the other way so could not have seen the incident.

Id like to agree with you pjwilk - but the problem with an appeal to the FA is that you are guilty until you can prove your innocence. It's the direct opposite to the way everyday life conflicts are judged.

I just cannot believe the vitriol of many of the anti-Barnes comments on this website's posts. I ever there was a kangeroo court, this is it. I'm comforted by the fact that those of us who post represent less than half of one percent who attend our home games - an insignificant proportion of the fanbase.

We should let the club make an informed decision over what to do next.

It's a good job Poyet didn't get rid of Dobbie to Palace...oh, hang on

suede27 wrote:
It's a good job Poyet didn't get rid of Dobbie to Palace...oh, hang on

I believe players find their level,we play stylish quality football,and Dobbie couldn`t play that way,so we sent him to a club that has no style or quality,and he fits in fine. You know what i mean suede 27,much the same as supporters,some have style and quality,and others support palarse. UTA

Oh how fickle most of you are. If Barnes had scored with that volley in the 2nd half I am guessing he would be the hero. He didn't so everyone appears against him. Just before he was sent off he got taken out in the box. He went down and was in the way of our sustained attack. He got to his feet and appeared groggy. I didn't see what actually happened with the ref but we all thought he had to have said something and he was sent off for dissent. If it was a trip how on earth did the ref think it was deliberate. A friend of mine supports Bolton ( I thought he was alone but can confirm there were some other Bolton fans at the Reebok). He reckoned the ref was biased towards Bolton, what about the rugby tackle on Liam which went unpunished to name just one. Bruno played his heart out but Cente and Lopez really didn't play, it could be because it was pretty cold. Anyway it was a good game and a draw would have been a fair result. But nothing is fair is it. We are still in the mix unlike this time last year and when we beat palace this will prove pretty insignificant. We are nowhere near Premiership status yet just look at the foot of that table. Enjoy the football and be positive. UTA

I just looked at the headline 'Trying to trip the ref' so Ashley even failed to do that right!!

bikerjimbo wrote:
Oh how fickle most of you are. If Barnes had scored with that volley in the 2nd half I am guessing he would be the hero. He didn't so everyone appears against him. Just before he was sent off he got taken out in the box. He went down and was in the way of our sustained attack. He got to his feet and appeared groggy. I didn't see what actually happened with the ref but we all thought he had to have said something and he was sent off for dissent. If it was a trip how on earth did the ref think it was deliberate. A friend of mine supports Bolton ( I thought he was alone but can confirm there were some other Bolton fans at the Reebok). He reckoned the ref was biased towards Bolton, what about the rugby tackle on Liam which went unpunished to name just one. Bruno played his heart out but Cente and Lopez really didn't play, it could be because it was pretty cold. Anyway it was a good game and a draw would have been a fair result. But nothing is fair is it. We are still in the mix unlike this time last year and when we beat palace this will prove pretty insignificant. We are nowhere near Premiership status yet just look at the foot of that table. Enjoy the football and be positive. UTA

Ha Ha,very funny and good post bikerjimbo. UTA

Gus has said very recently that he always needs four strikers to compete in the first team squad so he needs three strikers on loan before end of this month not one or two!
Couldn't understand why Lua Lua wasn't on the bench on Sat. unless he was ill/injured.
Barnes-collect your P45 NOW!

The ref could not see if it was deliberate or an accidental coming together, yet he was reaching in his pocket to get out a card before he had turned around.

Barnes was following where the ball was and the ref decided to quickly run in front of him clipping his leg.

Even for the most ardent of Barnes critics it’s grasping at straws.

Ashley Barnes, dividing opinion again.
Does Ash move his leg to catch the Ref or is his foot dragged forward as the ref catches it?
Impossible to say from the Video I saw, or the still.

Lets take the positives out of this. Least he won't play for a while.

We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

RottingdeanBAH27 wrote:
Lets take the positives out of this. Least he won't play for a while.

I don't see anything positive about Brighton being reduced to one senior striker, no matter what the rights and wrongs of the red card.

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Brighton are still in a better position than last season. FFS we have 3 Scottish internationals, 2 English internationals, I think 2 Spanish, 1 Polish and 1 Egyptian international. So we are better placed than the rest in the run in. Watford, Hull, Cardiff, Leicester, Palace have dropped points with suprise defeats lately.

We are 1 point behind Forest with a game in hand and Forest have to go to Hull in the next match. Its unlikely they will be consistent in the the run in and everyone will drop points. But I think our experienced internationals will see us through

We need to accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative. With the players we have we are entitled to feel confident. This was just a blip which can aflict any team during the run in

I have looked at the you tube clip, must be more than ten times now and it still looks inconclusive to me. Couple of observations though. Miller came a long way towards Barnes and Barnes would have had to change his direction to avoid him, Barnes chose not to. Secondly, why did six or seven Bolton players surround Miller when the incident had nothing top do with them. If it was to get Barnes sent off or waste some time they were successful on both counts.

Hovite wrote:
We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

I personally feel we are stronger with 11 men on the field

Having had some time to sleep on it, as we all have, maybe today our comments will have less anger and more reasoned content.

The only video I have seen of the incident is on Sky Sports web site and the action is on a long lens view and told me nothing.

From that video I don't think anyone can draw an honest opinion as to what occured so for me that's the end of it, leave it to the club, player and the FA to resolve the issue.

Ok so we have just one senior striker, is it time to go spanish and play with zero strikers and try to win from midfield?

Gus said that Ulloa needed a break and yesterday of the 21 attempts on goal none of them fell to Ulloa, it seems Gus is right, or perhaps Bolton simply marked him out of the game, I don't know, I wasn't there.

It would seem that at least for the next month or so we need to borrow two strikers, if one was going to be hard to get two, or more, would seem impossible. Freeloader tells us the the DS lads are a waste of money, well maybe it's time they earned their wages and are given the chance to step up, even if only for our next match on tuesday.

One or more of the strikers we borrow could come from prem clubs development squads, I guess it's just a question of, are they better than our lads in our DS.

Nine different Brighton players had a shot or header at goal yesterday, sadly none of them made it but it does show that players got forward and space was created. How Ulloa never made it ten players is a mystery to me, but then maybe he really does need to be rested.

Perhaps Gus will go the spanish way, rest Ulloa and do it all from midfield, but that would require Vicente to play. Can we get two matches out of Vicente on the bounce, maybe.

Vegas - spot on about Barnes. Tuesday without Barnes no shots, yesterday with Barnes 20+ shots (6 to Barnes). I agree with others that the video clip looked inconclusive, although no doubt he could have done more to get out of the referee's way. I doubt the club will appeal unless they have better video evidence.

Not sure I agree about Ulloa as stats don't tell you everything. He seemed to be well involved in the game and set up a few opportunities for others.

I have never considered Barnes to be a Championship player,he has scored but on number of chances his average is low.
He may well have done the club a huge favour yesterday, we already have a shortage of forwards so it is likely that we will drop points over the next few weeks which will ensure we do not gain promotion but will comfortably exist in the Championship.

Falmer Wizard wrote:
I have never considered Barnes to be a Championship player,he has scored but on number of chances his average is low.
He may well have done the club a huge favour yesterday, we already have a shortage of forwards so it is likely that we will drop points over the next few weeks which will ensure we do not gain promotion but will comfortably exist in the Championship.

If thats your idea of doing our great club a favour,by not going up,then you can keep your favours to yourself,perhaps you need to re-evaluate your loyalty to the Albion,as i see it it is non existent. UTA

PS.......shove it

I have been a fan of Ashley Barnes for a while now - looked like he had real promise even though he was a long way from being the finished article. However, his disciplinary record was not good, and it seems to me that, yesterday, he took stupid to a whole new level. You can forgive someone getting sent off for a mistimed tackle - it happens. You can maybe even forgive someone getting sent off for a professional foul. But to get sent off like this, and at a time when the team is down to its last two recognised strikers, just takes your breath away. I live in hope that he will learn from this, but it seems to me that Mr Poyet needs to impose club discipline on top of whatever the league throws at him. He has to get the message that he has let the club down BIG TIME.

Falmer Wizard wrote:
I have never considered Barnes to be a Championship player,he has scored but on number of chances his average is low. He may well have done the club a huge favour yesterday, we already have a shortage of forwards so it is likely that we will drop points over the next few weeks which will ensure we do not gain promotion but will comfortably exist in the Championship.

What a very odd comment you make.
Are you really suggesting that staying in the championship division is better than rising the the prem, do you really believe that?

You might be thinking that at present we don't have a prem squad, and that would be true, but does any team thta gets promoted. Players get bought and the squad improves.

Please tell me why we would be better off in the current division, what is the gain and what is the down side of getting promoted.

If your answer would be, well we win matches at this level and wouldn't at the prem level, that would suggest that you really are not thinking straight. The squad we have now wins matches, the squad in the prem would be different.

I think Tug is right in questioning your loyalty to the club, but you could prove me wrong in your reply.


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Good morning Vegas mate,very hard to know what happened at Bolton,i tried to see both sides of the argument,as to whether Ash tripped the ref or not,after changing my mind several times i thought another beer might help,it did,so i had a few more...well it is sunday. To be honest i think the ref crossed Barnes` path and caught his foot. The ref is not the star of the show,but as with the Sky advert,very often thinks he is,yesterday being point in fact,if he didn`t see the trip,how can he judge it as malicious?. Barnes has been a pain in the neck (Sheff Wed) more than once,could he be guilty of being carded by an ignorant homer ref on this occasion,who shouldn`t of crossed in front of a player who was part of an ongoing attack!!.

Yesterday i went from defending Barnes to doubting him and back,but i think on this occasion he may have been the victim of nothing more than a really crappy homer ref.

I apologize for the language,i would of sworn more often had it been allowed. UTA

Gus's aleged post-match comments (as reported below) after accepting Barnes had to go don't do it for me. Barnes is an idiot and liabilty who should be dealt with firmly by the club.

'Angry? It's difficult to say because I played football, I know when you're on the pitch you do things which sometimes you regret after.

'But I was one of those players so I'm not going to say anything to Ashley Barnes - I hope it doesn't happen too much.


'He knows what he's done and I'm not going to kill him, you try to make sure he controls himself better the next time.'

Hovite wrote:
We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

I strongly disagree. Did you go to the match by the way or is this all based on what you heard on the radio? Our recent improvement in form has suspiciously coincided with Barnes' previous suspension for starters.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Having had some time to sleep on it, as we all have, maybe today our comments will have less anger and more reasoned content.

The only video I have seen of the incident is on Sky Sports web site and the action is on a long lens view and told me nothing.

From that video I don't think anyone can draw an honest opinion as to what occured so for me that's the end of it, leave it to the club, player and the FA to resolve the issue.

Ok so we have just one senior striker, is it time to go spanish and play with zero strikers and try to win from midfield?

Gus said that Ulloa needed a break and yesterday of the 21 attempts on goal none of them fell to Ulloa, it seems Gus is right, or perhaps Bolton simply marked him out of the game, I don't know, I wasn't there.

It would seem that at least for the next month or so we need to borrow two strikers, if one was going to be hard to get two, or more, would seem impossible. Freeloader tells us the the DS lads are a waste of money, well maybe it's time they earned their wages and are given the chance to step up, even if only for our next match on tuesday.

One or more of the strikers we borrow could come from prem clubs development squads, I guess it's just a question of, are they better than our lads in our DS.

Nine different Brighton players had a shot or header at goal yesterday, sadly none of them made it but it does show that players got forward and space was created. How Ulloa never made it ten players is a mystery to me, but then maybe he really does need to be rested.

Perhaps Gus will go the spanish way, rest Ulloa and do it all from midfield, but that would require Vicente to play. Can we get two matches out of Vicente on the bounce, maybe.

I think to an extent our DS players have been a victim of the clubs success. Most of them joined when we were in a lower division. It is one thing to break into a league 1 side or even a mid table championship side near the end of the season but to come into a side pressing for promotion to the premier league with the possibility of having to perform in the play offs, is to much IMO. We are going to need some experience. I guess the compensation for the DS players is that, in a few months they could be employed by a top-flight club. JFC could step up and start if only for our next match. Trouble is we need a striker and none of our DS strikers have developed enough to start even for one game. It is a possibility to get one from a prem team but far better to get a out of favour experienced prem forward I feel.

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Gus's aleged post-match comments (as reported below) after accepting Barnes had to go don't do it for me. Barnes is an idiot and liabilty who should be dealt with firmly by the club.

'Angry? It's difficult to say because I played football, I know when you're on the pitch you do things which sometimes you regret after.

'But I was one of those players so I'm not going to say anything to Ashley Barnes - I hope it doesn't happen too much.


'He knows what he's done and I'm not going to kill him, you try to make sure he controls himself better the next time.'

A story out of context, this is what Gus said when he was told he fried to trip the ref.

This was before he saw the video or even spoke to Barnes.

Sky Sports story below;

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has admitted that he has no idea why Ashley Barnes was sent off during his side's 1-0 loss to Bolton Wanderers this afternoon.

The Albion forward appeared to make contact with referee Nigel Miller off the ball, causing the official to immediately show him a red card.

Poyet revealed that he had not spoken to his player over the incident, preferring to let him calm down before asking what had happened.

"I'm desperate to jump on the bus to see the DVD and to talk to Ashley Barnes," he said.

"My way of managing this is I prefer the player to calm down because if you go to the dressing room and you ask them straight away then they will put their excuse in there and blame somebody else.

"I'm going to say I suppose it was for talking (dissent). I don't know, I cannot confirm because I did not talk to him yet. I saw nothing, I was looking at the ball."

seagull31 wrote:

Hovite wrote:
We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

I strongly disagree. Did you go to the match by the way or is this all based on what you heard on the radio? Our recent improvement in form has suspiciously coincided with Barnes' previous suspension for starters.

Why would I care if you strongly disagree? You've just proved my point.

Hovite wrote:

seagull31 wrote:

Hovite wrote:
We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

I strongly disagree. Did you go to the match by the way or is this all based on what you heard on the radio? Our recent improvement in form has suspiciously coincided with Barnes' previous suspension for starters.

Why would I care if you strongly disagree? You've just proved my point.

You express your opinion, we are a better team with Barnes in it. Fine, if that's what you think. But it is ridiculous to think that anyone who disagrees is either using this as an opportunity to make stupid comments or being pathetic. So I have not proved your point....

Most comments I've ever seen on one of these threads!

I'm looking forward to seeing what else emerges on this story. Gus will clearly have to discipline Barnes if he admits to doing it on purpose but can't see him doing that voluntarily even if he did. The video is completely inconclusive which is frustrating especially as if this is the only footage, it would be difficult to win any appeal I would think.

Barnes has a short fuse, we know that. Thats not always a bad thing, being fiery has its positives too. But, watching the footage, nothing happened immediately before the incident to anger him. Its that and that alone that makes me think it is unlikely he would have done it on purpose. If it was anyone except Barnes or maybe El Abd (the usual culprits of any off the ball incidents), I wonder how different this thread would read. If it was an accident, would Buckley or Bridcutt be castigated like this? I doubt it.

No-one seems to have mentioned that the ref ended the game at that point. How does that work?! Surely the game was stopped at that point so, even if there was little time left, there was some time left! Was that just forgotten about?!

Lastly, and actually what annoys/confuses me more about some of the comments above is how it somehow comes back to other strikers and in particular Mr Murray. Apparently, "anyone can see he is a top Championship striker". Yes, he's having a good goalscoring season. A season......singular though not plural. One season being supplied by 2 flying wingers (1 of which will be at Man U next year), playing in a quick, fairly direct, counter-attacking style. Fair play, he's got himself in the right places for the chances to be served up regularly on a plate. But, would he have scored 30 in our team this season? No. Did/does he offer anything more than our current strikers? No/Maybe he has improved in this area since he left (which I doubt) but fortunately I don't have to watch him week in, week out anymore! It would've been a mistake to pay Mr Murray over the odds and, in our style of play, we are a better team now.

Sorry, one last thing. Someone suggested CMS amongst others had possibly looked to get injured to be paid and not play. Ridiculous! I'm embarrassed to be on the same thread as anyone who would suggest such a thing, especially of CMS who is possibly as hard working and thoughtful towards the fans as any player I have ever seen. You should be ashamed and, quite frankly, any other points you make can easily be ignored on this evidence. I think the person in question was quite quiet when were winning!

Hovite wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Gus's aleged post-match comments (as reported below) after accepting Barnes had to go don't do it for me. Barnes is an idiot and liabilty who should be dealt with firmly by the club.

'Angry? It's difficult to say because I played football, I know when you're on the pitch you do things which sometimes you regret after.

'But I was one of those players so I'm not going to say anything to Ashley Barnes - I hope it doesn't happen too much.


'He knows what he's done and I'm not going to kill him, you try to make sure he controls himself better the next time.'

A story out of context, this is what Gus said when he was told he fried to trip the ref.

This was before he saw the video or even spoke to Barnes.

Sky Sports story below;

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has admitted that he has no idea why Ashley Barnes was sent off during his side's 1-0 loss to Bolton Wanderers this afternoon.

The Albion forward appeared to make contact with referee Nigel Miller off the ball, causing the official to immediately show him a red card.

Poyet revealed that he had not spoken to his player over the incident, preferring to let him calm down before asking what had happened.

"I'm desperate to jump on the bus to see the DVD and to talk to Ashley Barnes," he said.

"My way of managing this is I prefer the player to calm down because if you go to the dressing room and you ask them straight away then they will put their excuse in there and blame somebody else.

"I'm going to say I suppose it was for talking (dissent). I don't know, I cannot confirm because I did not talk to him yet. I saw nothing, I was looking at the ball."

Willie you don’t identify the source of these alleged quotes so it is difficult to gauge their reliability. I have seen some tabloids grossly misquote Gus at times and the forums can be worse. The quote I have got from the BBC site is
“We will sort it out inside” (The club)

seagull31 wrote:

Hovite wrote:

seagull31 wrote:

Hovite wrote:
We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

I strongly disagree. Did you go to the match by the way or is this all based on what you heard on the radio? Our recent improvement in form has suspiciously coincided with Barnes' previous suspension for starters.

Why would I care if you strongly disagree? You've just proved my point.

You express your opinion, we are a better team with Barnes in it. Fine, if that's what you think. But it is ridiculous to think that anyone who disagrees is either using this as an opportunity to make stupid comments or being pathetic. So I have not proved your point....

Don't talk rubbish, we were on a roll since the new year and have only lost twice in ten games. This is not including the beating Newcastle and playing great against the Arsenal.

Suspiciously coincided? You're aving a larf.

Barnes has a totally unacceptable attitude and is a liability to the team. he needs to grow up a bit and show more responsibility to the other players to the club and the fans.really we need to step up quality at the club next year;whether we go up or not and we wont miss him. hope he goes in the lead up tp next year.GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY

championshipgull wrote:

Hovite wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Gus's aleged post-match comments (as reported below) after accepting Barnes had to go don't do it for me. Barnes is an idiot and liabilty who should be dealt with firmly by the club.

'Angry? It's difficult to say because I played football, I know when you're on the pitch you do things which sometimes you regret after.

'But I was one of those players so I'm not going to say anything to Ashley Barnes - I hope it doesn't happen too much.


'He knows what he's done and I'm not going to kill him, you try to make sure he controls himself better the next time.'

A story out of context, this is what Gus said when he was told he fried to trip the ref.

This was before he saw the video or even spoke to Barnes.

Sky Sports story below;

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has admitted that he has no idea why Ashley Barnes was sent off during his side's 1-0 loss to Bolton Wanderers this afternoon.

The Albion forward appeared to make contact with referee Nigel Miller off the ball, causing the official to immediately show him a red card.

Poyet revealed that he had not spoken to his player over the incident, preferring to let him calm down before asking what had happened.

"I'm desperate to jump on the bus to see the DVD and to talk to Ashley Barnes," he said.

"My way of managing this is I prefer the player to calm down because if you go to the dressing room and you ask them straight away then they will put their excuse in there and blame somebody else.

"I'm going to say I suppose it was for talking (dissent). I don't know, I cannot confirm because I did not talk to him yet. I saw nothing, I was looking at the ball."

Willie you don’t identify the source of these alleged quotes so it is difficult to gauge their reliability. I have seen some tabloids grossly misquote Gus at times and the forums can be worse. The quote I have got from the BBC site is
“We will sort it out inside” (The club)

Sorry - it was The Mail Online - it must be true...

Yours was a true written report WWI, but it was straight after the match when Gus was just told of the incident.

He hadn't seen the incident or spoken to Barnes, so he was speaking on the basis as if it was complete fact.

When we all first heard about it everyone presumed it was leg breaking tackle on the ref. After watching it again and again and again, it's just bizarre that the ref took it as an assault on him when he didn’t even see what happened.

Hovite wrote:

seagull31 wrote:

Hovite wrote:

seagull31 wrote:

Hovite wrote:
We are a better team with Barnes and anyone who thinks differently are just in it for the opportunity to make stupid comments and being just as patheitic as was the ref was.

I strongly disagree. Did you go to the match by the way or is this all based on what you heard on the radio? Our recent improvement in form has suspiciously coincided with Barnes' previous suspension for starters.

Why would I care if you strongly disagree? You've just proved my point.

You express your opinion, we are a better team with Barnes in it. Fine, if that's what you think. But it is ridiculous to think that anyone who disagrees is either using this as an opportunity to make stupid comments or being pathetic. So I have not proved your point....

Don't talk rubbish, we were on a roll since the new year and have only lost twice in ten games. This is not including the beating Newcastle and playing great against the Arsenal.

Suspiciously coincided? You're aving a larf.

I think we are a better team without Barnes. Just my opinion, and unlike you I am not arrogant enough to claim everyone that disagrees with me is talking rubbish...

As a long time Palace supporter I am pleased that none of our team would ever stoop so low as to try and trip the referee.
BHA need to get rid of Barnes if they are to retain any form of credibility.
How can they ever hope to attain premiership status with players like this ?

Kiddon72 wrote:
As a long time Palace supporter I am pleased that none of our team would ever stoop so low as to try and trip the referee.
BHA need to get rid of Barnes if they are to retain any form of credibility.
How can they ever hope to attain premiership status with players like this ?

There's no compelling evidence that any of our players did, either.

Kiddon72 wrote:
As a long time Palace supporter I am pleased that none of our team would ever stoop so low as to try and trip the referee.
BHA need to get rid of Barnes if they are to retain any form of credibility.
How can they ever hope to attain premiership status with players like this ?

Think about it,no clear and irrefutable video evidence,no eye witness to say ,i saw it,and the ref had his back to Barnes,so he couldn`t possibly say for sure that it was malicious. Now,if that was the "evidence" against Zaha,would you be so quick to make a judgement.

No...didn`t think so.

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/sport/footbal
l/teams/brighton-hov
e-albion/9920515/Bri
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-Barnes-sent-off-for
-deliberate-trip-on-
referee-Nigel-Miller
-against-Bolton.html

Barnes runs towards the referee, instead of following the play. What an idiot. Hope this doesn't ruin our playoff chances :(