Video: Barnes facing big ban (From The Argus)

Clean Sheet wrote:
7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

pinta harveys wrote:
The bloke is a liability, get rid

Clean Sheet wrote:
7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Clean Sheet wrote:
7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident.

I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

markymark03 wrote:
**I haven't seen the footage yet, still to annoyed**

However if Barnes did intentionally do it then what a thick idiot. I mean seriously, the one person who has authority over the whole game you retaliate against. The old saying of you are never as big as the club surely can apply to not being as big as the game too.

If it was an accident, hopefully the footage will show this and the red card will be revoked. Fingers crossed its the latter

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

WestStander17 wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

The footage doesn't show that at all. If it does, what is he complaining to the ref about?! Nothing has happened!!!

Saul G P Tong wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

The footage doesn't show that at all. If it does, what is he complaining to the ref about?! Nothing has happened!!!

Er, yes it does. He remonstrates with the ref through desperation as the realisation of what he has done suddenly sinks in.

Alfie T wrote:

markymark03 wrote: **I haven't seen the footage yet, still to annoyed** However if Barnes did intentionally do it then what a thick idiot. I mean seriously, the one person who has authority over the whole game you retaliate against. The old saying of you are never as big as the club surely can apply to not being as big as the game too. If it was an accident, hopefully the footage will show this and the red card will be revoked. Fingers crossed its the latter

Of course it was intentional, if it was an accident he would have immediately turned around and apologised to the ref and nothing more would have happened. The guy is thick, and a liability, one final chance in my opinion, any more and it's adios Ashley.

Bish May Turn wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

markymark03 wrote: **I haven't seen the footage yet, still to annoyed** However if Barnes did intentionally do it then what a thick idiot. I mean seriously, the one person who has authority over the whole game you retaliate against. The old saying of you are never as big as the club surely can apply to not being as big as the game too. If it was an accident, hopefully the footage will show this and the red card will be revoked. Fingers crossed its the latter

Of course it was intentional, if it was an accident he would have immediately turned around and apologised to the ref and nothing more would have happened. The guy is thick, and a liability, one final chance in my opinion, any more and it's adios Ashley.

Alfie has hit the nail on the head here,it's clear Barnes has clipped the refs heel intentionally, had he turned round, hands up and apologised immediately, the ref would have done no more about it. However Barnes not being the sharpest tool in the box, in fact just a tool, didn't think to do that, now we are in the proverbial, well done Ash!

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

That's the same footage I've already seen - entirely inconclusive. The video moves just before the incident so it's impossible to see. If that's the only evidence then it would be laughed out of court.

Tall Boys wrote:
Of course the FA are going to throw the book at him. And quite right too.

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

That's the same footage I've already seen - entirely inconclusive. The video moves just before the incident so it's impossible to see. If that's the only evidence then it would be laughed out of court.

Well Old Scrote, best get yourself down to specsavers as the FLS's footage is as no way inconclusive as you say.

Claude Back wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:
Of course the FA are going to throw the book at him. And quite right too.

So he is guilty then, is he?
That's the best way. Let's not bother with evidence.
Personally speaking from a professional point of view, there is no evidence of 'guilty intent' (mens rea) and if the video seen is all there is, Barnes has no case to prove. It looks like the ref ran across hs path and the collision was accidental. The ref got the wrong idea.
After all, refs can make mistakes, can't they? Silly me, of course not. They are infallible. He demonstrated that so well all afternoon....not.
However, there may be more 'evidence' so hold fire on the lynching until we see that.

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

That's the same footage I've already seen - entirely inconclusive. The video moves just before the incident so it's impossible to see. If that's the only evidence then it would be laughed out of court.

Well Old Scrote, best get yourself down to specsavers as the FLS's footage is as no way inconclusive as you say.

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

How? How would the ref know if any contact was deliberate or accidental? He can't see it, so is he a mind-reader? Was he told by one of his assistants? No, he reached straight for his pocket.

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

Tall Boys wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

How? How would the ref know if any contact was deliberate or accidental? He can't see it, so is he a mind-reader? Was he told by one of his assistants? No, he reached straight for his pocket.

It is a big pitch. How many accidental trippings happen away from the ball ? How many involve a ref ?

Perhaps you are right. But to me the evidence does not good for Ashley. And I would take the ref's word over his any day. As will the FA. We watch Barnes. We know what he is like.

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

Saul G P Tong wrote:
You appear to have backtracked somewhat from your initial stance of "nothing has happened". Anyhow, whether it was intentional or not is down to the FA to determine. I just don't think it is looking good for Ash from what I saw on TFLS. No doubt the FA will be contacting BWFC for a video of the game too.

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

How? How would the ref know if any contact was deliberate or accidental? He can't see it, so is he a mind-reader? Was he told by one of his assistants? No, he reached straight for his pocket.

It is a big pitch. How many accidental trippings happen away from the ball ? How many involve a ref ?

Perhaps you are right. But to me the evidence does not good for Ashley. And I would take the ref's word over his any day. As will the FA. We watch Barnes. We know what he is like.

"We watch Barnes. We know what he is like."

So, if this collision happened with any other player, JUST FROM THE CLIP, you would say it is a definite purposeful trip?

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

How? How would the ref know if any contact was deliberate or accidental? He can't see it, so is he a mind-reader? Was he told by one of his assistants? No, he reached straight for his pocket.

It is a big pitch. How many accidental trippings happen away from the ball ? How many involve a ref ?

Perhaps you are right. But to me the evidence does not good for Ashley. And I would take the ref's word over his any day. As will the FA. We watch Barnes. We know what he is like.

"We watch Barnes. We know what he is like."

So, if this collision happened with any other player, JUST FROM THE CLIP, you would say it is a definite purposeful trip?

Not from the above one that I have just watched. But from the one on the football league show watching on a bigger screen.

The point I was making was - if a ref was tripped involving an Albion player - which player would you guess at being involved ? If it was Orlandi say, - I would laugh at the suggestion.

And I have never said it was a definite purposeful trip. I am saying it is not looking good. And rightly the FA will throw the book at him. And if he is found guilty it will be a long ban.

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

So, are you saying Barnes had it in his mind that when the ref came anywhere near him, he was going to trip him up? Really?

If the referee had literally just given a decision against Barnes or anyone in our team, there is an argument that he may have reacted angrily but that doesn't happen. In the minute you see in the clip before the "trip", there is nothing for Barnes to be angry at the ref about. There is a tiny chance he was frustrated that Kusczcak's kick forward was awful but I can't see that enraging him enough to trip the ref.

Also, you say the ref is following the play. But you don't think Barnes is? Again, you may be right but, if you are just going from the clip, what tells you Barnes IS NOT moving wide to collect a pass down the line from Orlandi and IS tripping the ref?!

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

Hovite wrote:
I haven't seen the FLS clip yet Tall boys, only the above youtube one.

I will have a look though.

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

Hovite wrote:
Thanks OSA, saves me having to find it.

Smartbloke wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

wiseman of hove wrote:

Clean Sheet wrote: 7Rookie, in principal you are right, but I think the FA will close ranks on this and try and make a point. Actually, my thoughts for BHA aside, I would like the FA to clamp down on all the hassling of referees. It is a really bad aspect of football, and I much prefer the respect shown by rugby players to the officials. If Barnes had not tried to get at the referee, for whatever his motivation, he would not have been red carded.

Agree entirely.

But, from the footage, Barnes isn't getting at the ref. He isn't chasing him or even shouting at him. In fact, you can't see if he is even aware of the ref's position. And, if anyone sees it differently, could you explain what he is after the ref for. No decisions had been made in the minute prior to the incident. I think, if he is moving towards the near sideline, its to get into position for Orlandi to pass it down the line.

Nice try Ashley. Save it for the Judge.

If its proven he is guilty of this, I agree, we shouldn't see him again for a good while.

But, the footage we've seen proves nothing. If anyone thinks it does, please talk me through it. Tell me what he is supposedly after the ref for. What decision is he annoyed about?

What is Barnes annoyed about ? That is completely irrelevant.

The ref would have known if the "trip" was accidental. And clearly didn't think it was.

And from the footage - the ref is following play and Barnes moves towards him.

So referees are always right? How arrogant of you to presume that.

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

The footage we have is inconclusive enough to defend him against deliberately tripping the ref. No other defence needed.

If other footage is found, it might prove differently but this proves nothing.

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Gus is not the sort to stay quiet if he thinks he, the club or a player has been wrongly accused. In this case he seems very quiet and to be accepting of the fact Barnes is guilty of something.
For my threepennyworth, it looks deliberate (not that that matters a jot!).

Alfie T wrote:
God, enough already .

Hovite wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote: Gus is not the sort to stay quiet if he thinks he, the club or a player has been wrongly accused. In this case he seems very quiet and to be accepting of the fact Barnes is guilty of something. For my threepennyworth, it looks deliberate (not that that matters a jot!).

I don't think it would be in the clubs interest for Gus to say anything about the ref, but we will have to wait and see what happens. Even if it was deliberate, the ref did not see it. Anyway it may have been and it may not have been, either way I see the funny side, and the ref made a meal of it whatever happened. I was more upset with Barnes getting sent off in the first 20 against Shef W. At least this was in the last 30 seconds. At worst this was just about schoolboy humour and a miserable ref.

bruce beckett wrote:
Forget frickin Ashley Barnes and clear your minds of any negativity about having to play three away games in eight games. There's a game to win at Barnsley tomorrow night and if we fail to do so, our season is going down the toilet. The more relevant issues today are do we have a loan striker lined up and, if not, how are we going to fashion a goal or two at the frozen tundra that is Oakwell.

bruce beckett wrote:
Forget frickin Ashley Barnes and clear your minds of any negativity about having to play three away games in eight games.

There's a game to win at Barnsley tomorrow night and if we fail to do so, our season is going down the toilet.

The more relevant issues today are do we have a loan striker lined up and, if not, how are we going to fashion a goal or two at the frozen tundra that is Oakwell.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

pinta harveys wrote:
The bloke is a liability, get rid

Thanks for that insight.

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

The footage we have is inconclusive enough to defend him against deliberately tripping the ref. No other defence needed.

If other footage is found, it might prove differently but this proves nothing.

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

- unless Barnes move into his space.

If it goes further the FA will not just be looking at the footage - they will talk to the ref and assistants and Barnes himself.

I have just watched the FLS coverage again. How anyone can say that was accidental - I do not know!

Freeloaders wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote: Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball. Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it? The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space. You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

The footage we have is inconclusive enough to defend him against deliberately tripping the ref. No other defence needed. If other footage is found, it might prove differently but this proves nothing. You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't! - unless Barnes move into his space. If it goes further the FA will not just be looking at the footage - they will talk to the ref and assistants and Barnes himself. I have just watched the FLS coverage again. How anyone can say that was accidental - I do not know!

100% spot on.They same people day after day.Its 100% clear to me some of you must be the familys of these freeloading players at the club.None of this is going on at other clubs.We have a group of strikers that can't score goals in what most of you claim is a very good team,that has lots of possession.Please give me the reason they can't score for two seasons then?Its 100% fact not one other club wants CMS,Hoskins,Barnes,T oby,Barker,Dunk,or Rodgers.Again their familys will say im wrong on here.So please name the clubs after them,and please say the date the clubs made the bid for these players.

gburbs wrote:
Some rubbish being posted on here. If anyone can attempt to excuse this idiot then they one too. On the FLS close up it is obvious he throws out a leg in the direction of the ref. The only surprise is he gets a good contact, something that doesn't happen often!

Freeloaders wrote:
Vegas go on Facebook Brighton & Hove Albion.There are many more fans like me all useing their real names.Also almost all feel the same as me.

VegasSeagull wrote:

Freeloaders wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote: Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball. Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it? The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space. You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

The footage we have is inconclusive enough to defend him against deliberately tripping the ref. No other defence needed. If other footage is found, it might prove differently but this proves nothing. You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't! - unless Barnes move into his space. If it goes further the FA will not just be looking at the footage - they will talk to the ref and assistants and Barnes himself. I have just watched the FLS coverage again. How anyone can say that was accidental - I do not know!

100% spot on.They same people day after day.Its 100% clear to me some of you must be the familys of these freeloading players at the club.None of this is going on at other clubs.We have a group of strikers that can't score goals in what most of you claim is a very good team,that has lots of possession.Please give me the reason they can't score for two seasons then?Its 100% fact not one other club wants CMS,Hoskins,Barnes,T oby,Barker,Dunk,or Rodgers.Again their familys will say im wrong on here.So please name the clubs after them,and please say the date the clubs made the bid for these players.

Mr. Freeloader I demand that you post a retraction of your post that I have attached to this comment.

I happen to know for certain that there are people, based in and around London, that certainly want to speak to Dunk and Rodgers, and that the outcome of those talks will have a direct baring on their future.

I also know, for certain, that there are people talking to both CMS and Hoskins with regard to their future playing prospects.

I can't give you names but again, I am certain that both Toby and Barker were spoken to as recently as this morning, was it a neighbor or perhaps it was the milkman, I know not, but they were spoken to.

Matey it's time you owned up to being in error and I look forward to reading your retraction.

Freeloaders wrote:
Vegas go on Facebook Brighton & Hove Albion.There are many more fans like me all useing their real names.Also almost all feel the same as me.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Freeloaders wrote:
Vegas go on Facebook Brighton & Hove Albion.There are many more fans like me all useing their real names.Also almost all feel the same as me.

So what IS your real name?

By the way, for someone so deeply involved in football at all levels you seem to have forgotten all the other clubs who have had players put behind bars for rape, assault, drunk driving, causing death by reckless driving etc... so to say we as a club are unique is, as ever, nonsense.

Freeloaders wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Freeloaders wrote:
Vegas go on Facebook Brighton & Hove Albion.There are many more fans like me all useing their real names.Also almost all feel the same as me.

So what IS your real name?

By the way, for someone so deeply involved in football at all levels you seem to have forgotten all the other clubs who have had players put behind bars for rape, assault, drunk driving, causing death by reckless driving etc... so to say we as a club are unique is, as ever, nonsense.

What pure rubbish you vile sick man.All clubs have had players put behind bars for rape,assault,drunk driving,causing death by driving.What pure lies and pure rubbish.In fact its only a very few clubs.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Oh Mr. Freeloader it appears that my post flew straight over your head, perhaps my attempt at humor was just too subtle.

I don't dislike you, I may take issue with how you voice some of your comments, but I don't dislike you.

Try reading my post again, perhaps you will get it this time. I honestly thought that you, above anyone, would see thru what I posted.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Oh Mr. Freeloader it appears that my post flew straight over your head, perhaps my attempt at humor was just too subtle.

I don't dislike you, I may take issue with how you voice some of your comments, but I don't dislike you.

Try reading my post again, perhaps you will get it this time. I honestly thought that you, above anyone, would see thru what I posted.

Freeloaders wrote:
Scrote i saw with my own eyes some of your freeloading friends at the bottom of Preston street after the Hudddersfield game.Thats the real reason they was so bad against Bristol city,and hard working people waste their money going all that way to watch them.

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:

bruce beckett wrote:
Forget frickin Ashley Barnes and clear your minds of any negativity about having to play three away games in eight games.

There's a game to win at Barnsley tomorrow night and if we fail to do so, our season is going down the toilet.

The more relevant issues today are do we have a loan striker lined up and, if not, how are we going to fashion a goal or two at the frozen tundra that is Oakwell.

Bruce Beckett-I agree with you 100%.
There's too much "did he" or "didn't he" and "rabbiting on" about Barnes.Fact is the guy has a temperament we don't want at the Albion and as I said in another post,I hope he's already collected his P45.Let's move on and play as attacking a line-up as possible tomorrow.My team is:
TK
Bruno El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley David Bridcutt Orlandi
Vicente
Ulloa
Subs.:Ankegren Greer Lua Lua Agdestein Hammond Calderon Barker

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mr. Freeloader.

Players from any level of football are not monks and they are not machines, some down time is expected and given by the club.

I am sure that the coaches would recognise if a player has a hangover when turning up for training, and that this would be dealt with.

I agree with you that some players at Brighton, and at every club, are or do turn out to be surplus to requirements for various reasons, we are not unique in that matter.

Form can come and go, and then return. Murrey left Brighton and had a lousy first season with Palace and now he is having a great one, was he a vile freeloader during that first season, by your standards it would appear he was.
Had Palace taken your approach he would have been gone but they persevered with him and are now reaping the rewards of their decision.

Whilst I agree with some of what you post I don't agree with all of it, but that doesn't make me stupid. Not everything is as black and white as you claim it is.

Mistakes will be made regarding which players come in and which players are let go, all managers get it right and wrong during their careers, if their careers last long enough. Feguson is reportedly trying to put together a huge deal to bring Ronaldo back to United, did he do enough to keep him when last he wore the red shirt, maybe not or maybe he did all he could but the guy wanted away no matter what.

Keep posting Freeloader but please try and temper your comments a little, offer more thoughts and opinions and less, 100% facts as you see them, even if you think you are right.

Freeloaders wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

The footage we have is inconclusive enough to defend him against deliberately tripping the ref. No other defence needed.

If other footage is found, it might prove differently but this proves nothing.

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

- unless Barnes move into his space.

If it goes further the FA will not just be looking at the footage - they will talk to the ref and assistants and Barnes himself.

I have just watched the FLS coverage again. How anyone can say that was accidental - I do not know!

100% spot on.They same people day after day.Its 100% clear to me some of you must be the familys of these freeloading players at the club.None of this is going on at other clubs.We have a group of strikers that can't score goals in what most of you claim is a very good team,that has lots of possession.Please give me the reason they can't score for two seasons then?Its 100% fact not one other club wants CMS,Hoskins,Barnes,T

oby,Barker,Dunk,or Rodgers.Again their familys will say im wrong on here.So please name the clubs after them,and please say the date the clubs made the bid for these players.

Alfie T wrote:

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:

bruce beckett wrote:
Forget frickin Ashley Barnes and clear your minds of any negativity about having to play three away games in eight games.

There's a game to win at Barnsley tomorrow night and if we fail to do so, our season is going down the toilet.

The more relevant issues today are do we have a loan striker lined up and, if not, how are we going to fashion a goal or two at the frozen tundra that is Oakwell.

Bruce Beckett-I agree with you 100%.
There's too much "did he" or "didn't he" and "rabbiting on" about Barnes.Fact is the guy has a temperament we don't want at the Albion and as I said in another post,I hope he's already collected his P45.Let's move on and play as attacking a line-up as possible tomorrow.My team is:
TK
Bruno El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley David Bridcutt Orlandi
Vicente
Ulloa
Subs.:Ankegren Greer Lua Lua Agdestein Hammond Calderon Barker

Absolutely Bruce, some posters on here have far to much time on their hands, as you so succinctly put, fail to win tomorrow night and its game over. Can't see more than a point against Palace, who although it chokes me to say are a very good side. Feel they have power in midfield and out wide, not to mention the goal machine just waiting to pounce.

brightonup wrote:

Freeloaders wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Tall Boys wrote:

Hovite wrote:
Tall Boys I think you will find that Barnes was following play and was stepping towards the action when the ref crossed his path at an angle away from the ball.

Don't just look at Barnes, have a look at where the ball was. What do you want Barnes to do, turn his back on the ball and walk away from it?

The action was on the left touchline, where Barnes was walking to, and the ref suddenly ran across him to the middle of the pitch.

You might think that off the ball trippings happen all the time then. Refs tend to ensure they are in space.

You intepretation is not what I saw from the FLS coverage.

This ref didn't! Ash has hardly run 10 yards to clobber him even if he did do it on purpose!

Use that defence Ashley.

The footage we have is inconclusive enough to defend him against deliberately tripping the ref. No other defence needed.

If other footage is found, it might prove differently but this proves nothing.

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

You said that refs "tend to ensure they are in space", I was just saying that this one clearly didn't!

- unless Barnes move into his space.

If it goes further the FA will not just be looking at the footage - they will talk to the ref and assistants and Barnes himself.

I have just watched the FLS coverage again. How anyone can say that was accidental - I do not know!

100% spot on.They same people day after day.Its 100% clear to me some of you must be the familys of these freeloading players at the club.None of this is going on at other clubs.We have a group of strikers that can't score goals in what most of you claim is a very good team,that has lots of possession.Please give me the reason they can't score for two seasons then?Its 100% fact not one other club wants CMS,Hoskins,Barnes,T


oby,Barker,Dunk,or Rodgers.Again their familys will say im wrong on here.So please name the clubs after them,and please say the date the clubs made the bid for these players.

Same old drivel repeated endlessly; it's a kind of torture.....
You are not going to get people to agree with you simply by saying the same things over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and overand over and over and over and overand over and over and over and overand over and over and over and overand over and over and over and overand over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over......

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Oh how very naive of you, Mr Freeloaders. How very, very naive.

Anyway - so far there seems to be a 50:50 split on those who think Barnes is guilty and those who think the ref is jumping to conclusions. Still, it's taken my mind of the 0 pts we came back with. Big game tomorrow night... I can see us winning 2-0, but I'll take more :-) I hope Ulloa is fit enough for another 60-70 minutes, but if not then maybe Buckley will have to play up front. We know he can score goals.

Sarah Booker Lewis wrote:
Could the comments revert back to football rather than personal abuse please.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

That's the same footage I've already seen - entirely inconclusive. The video moves just before the incident so it's impossible to see. If that's the only evidence then it would be laughed out of court.

Well Old Scrote, best get yourself down to specsavers as the FLS's footage is as no way inconclusive as you say.

Even Manish and Leroy aren't sure it happened. If you think that the contact shown in that video PROVES that any contact was deliberate then you're just lying to yourself.

wiseman of hove wrote:
Digressing from the thread, I note that Reading and Brian McDermott have parted company.

Freeloaders wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:

bruce beckett wrote:
Forget frickin Ashley Barnes and clear your minds of any negativity about having to play three away games in eight games.

There's a game to win at Barnsley tomorrow night and if we fail to do so, our season is going down the toilet.

The more relevant issues today are do we have a loan striker lined up and, if not, how are we going to fashion a goal or two at the frozen tundra that is Oakwell.

Bruce Beckett-I agree with you 100%.
There's too much "did he" or "didn't he" and "rabbiting on" about Barnes.Fact is the guy has a temperament we don't want at the Albion and as I said in another post,I hope he's already collected his P45.Let's move on and play as attacking a line-up as possible tomorrow.My team is:
TK
Bruno El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley David Bridcutt Orlandi
Vicente
Ulloa
Subs.:Ankegren Greer Lua Lua Agdestein Hammond Calderon Barker

Absolutely Bruce, some posters on here have far to much time on their hands, as you so succinctly put, fail to win tomorrow night and its game over. Can't see more than a point against Palace, who although it chokes me to say are a very good side. Feel they have power in midfield and out wide, not to mention the goal machine just waiting to pounce.

Outstanding post Alfie T.Yet another real football fan with his own brain.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

Hovite wrote:
I think you are looking into it too deep Vegas. The first thing I thought was to have a look at the video later, only to find out the only one is from the Bolton fan. This is the only video but Gus wouldn't have known that at the time of his post match interview on Saturday. Both linesmen didn’t see it, none of the players saw it, their mascot didn't see it, the managers didn’t see it, 17,598 fans never saw it and the ref never saw it. The only people to see it was Barnes and the Bolton fan videoing it. In fact that video is Barnes’s saving grace, if we didn’t have this we would all think he had violently chopped him down. 31,000 hits on youtube, that’s hitting the jackpot for the guy who uploaded it. Good job Ashtray Wasp!

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Dear oh dear. What deadful reading. Get a life you lot......PLEASE !

VegasSeagull wrote:

Hovite wrote:
I think you are looking into it too deep Vegas. The first thing I thought was to have a look at the video later, only to find out the only one is from the Bolton fan. This is the only video but Gus wouldn't have known that at the time of his post match interview on Saturday. Both linesmen didn’t see it, none of the players saw it, their mascot didn't see it, the managers didn’t see it, 17,598 fans never saw it and the ref never saw it. The only people to see it was Barnes and the Bolton fan videoing it. In fact that video is Barnes’s saving grace, if we didn’t have this we would all think he had violently chopped him down. 31,000 hits on youtube, that’s hitting the jackpot for the guy who uploaded it. Good job Ashtray Wasp!

I understand your words Hovite but please tell me this, if you know that is.

For many of our matches on our club web site a video is posted for viewers to see, also a DVD of the match can be bought, not all these matches are on television, in fact most are not.

Who and how is producing the video. I seem to recall that Highlights of the Bristol match were available on th esite, that game was an away match and not on tv, so again, who and how?

.

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: Unless there is some better video evidence than what I have seen or if any of the other officials saw anything then Barnes doesn't have much of a case to answer. The ref cannot possibly call it deliberate tripping as he was facing away from Barnes.

There is footage out there that supports the refs claim already - it was shown on TFLS after the match highlights.

That's the same footage I've already seen - entirely inconclusive. The video moves just before the incident so it's impossible to see. If that's the only evidence then it would be laughed out of court.

Well Old Scrote, best get yourself down to specsavers as the FLS's footage is as no way inconclusive as you say.

Even Manish and Leroy aren't sure it happened. If you think that the contact shown in that video PROVES that any contact was deliberate then you're just lying to yourself.

Oh have a word Scrote, why would I need to lie to myself about this? Get over yourself.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought on the whole Branes trip or not trip issue. In a interview after the game Gus said that he just wanted to get on the bus and look at the video. What video? Could it be that Brighton take their own vidiographer to away games, maybe operating from the press box? I would have to think that one or more of the Argus reporters could shed some light on this. Video on the bus probably means a hard disc viewed on a lap top, who would have made that video? Has Gus seen something that nobody else has seen? If we do indeed video our away matches, and if that video vindicated Barnes, would we not have heard about it by now?

WestStander17 wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought on the whole Branes trip or not trip issue. In a interview after the game Gus said that he just wanted to get on the bus and look at the video. What video? Could it be that Brighton take their own vidiographer to away games, maybe operating from the press box? I would have to think that one or more of the Argus reporters could shed some light on this. Video on the bus probably means a hard disc viewed on a lap top, who would have made that video? Has Gus seen something that nobody else has seen? If we do indeed video our away matches, and if that video vindicated Barnes, would we not have heard about it by now?

Brighton use one of the statistical services such as Prozone or Opta. They have Analysts working on every game. These systems use cameras around the ground to track every pass, tackle, shot etc. They definitely do this for every home game but I would think they do the away games too. If so, I would think that would show a much clearer picture of what actually happened than a fan's phone.

As for tomorrow, I don't think we need to panic, just keep playing our game. We haven't heard Ulloa is out, have we? He was the only striker playing anyway so that's fine. Plenty of options to replace Barnes and probably Vicente in midfield.