Barnes on FA charge (From The Argus)

And so he should be. Idiot!

What can you say, his problem is that hes petulant ,and arrogent and that just doesent help his cause as a footballer, when things dont go his way..if this ban that the fa will give him doesnt teach him, then hes no good to brighton anymore.. sad but true.

StevieD wrote:
And so he should be. Idiot!

Who knows, maybe he can prove his innocence. At the moment it's very much "he said she said" unless he has privately admitted his guilt.

graham w wrote:
What can you say, his problem is that hes petulant ,and arrogent and that just doesent help his cause as a footballer, when things dont go his way..if this ban that the fa will give him doesnt teach him, then hes no good to brighton anymore.. sad but true.

Petulant, perhaps; arrogant? Not seen much evidence of that, TBH.

Make him play in the development squad for six months with the other 15 yrs olds ! When he's done growing up, sell him to Palace, at which point he will surely become a 30 goal per season striker !.

To think Gus kept Barnes and allowed Murray to depart, whom he probably thought would cause him more problems! The one can be guaranteed to deprive us of premiership football, the other to have guaranteed it. Any guesses as to the answer?

In Div 1 Murray was always told to get 20 goals to prove he was a striker and to keep his place in the side. Barnes has been able to get away with bad behaviour,poor performances, missed chances and penalties, but always seems to be guaranteed a place.

Who are the winners in all of this?
a) Barnes b) Albion c) Palace?

and d) Murray?

Only an Albion website can constantly turn a story - any story - into one about a grumpy ex-player who wanted out. I still prefer Ulloa to GM.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Only an Albion website can constantly turn a story - any story - into one about a grumpy ex-player who wanted out. I still prefer Ulloa to GM.

I too prefer Ulloa as a person and he has great skills, and potentially more years ahead of him. However, my understanding of the grumpy ex-player is that he did want to stay, but he wanted a lot more money.
In hindsight Palace's resurgence at the beginning of the season - after a disastrous start of 4 defeats - was almost solely due to Murray's goals. IMHO without him they would be a mid-table side at most, and Albion would have had a much better chance of the play-offs.

It's a shame we let him go to a rival championship side - which compounds our misery. Personally, I don't think he would have scored half the goals he has got this season in Albion's system of play, and i too am delighted so far with Ulloa..

Barnes' infamous 'trip' reminded me of Beckham's gentle kick out that got him sent off in the World Cup match v Argentina in 1998.
Pity Ash is not as good as Beckham.
I doubt if we will see him again for a while if at all this season.

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

graham w wrote:
What can you say, his problem is that hes petulant ,and arrogent and that just doesent help his cause as a footballer, when things dont go his way..if this ban that the fa will give him doesnt teach him, then hes no good to brighton anymore.. sad but true.

Petulant, perhaps; arrogant? Not seen much evidence of that, TBH.

You obviously haven't been watching him then, petulant sums him up. As for proving his innocence, unlikely as the FA have charged him, additional two match ban at least.

Major Bloodboil wrote:
Barnes' infamous 'trip' reminded me of Beckham's gentle kick out that got him sent off in the World Cup match v Argentina in 1998.
Pity Ash is not as good as Beckham.
I doubt if we will see him again for a while if at all this season.

As to seeing him in an albion shirt again this season ,unlikely may not next !
Can't even begin to to think of him in same sentance as Becks.

Vince wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Only an Albion website can constantly turn a story - any story - into one about a grumpy ex-player who wanted out. I still prefer Ulloa to GM.

I too prefer Ulloa as a person and he has great skills, and potentially more years ahead of him. However, my understanding of the grumpy ex-player is that he did want to stay, but he wanted a lot more money.
In hindsight Palace's resurgence at the beginning of the season - after a disastrous start of 4 defeats - was almost solely due to Murray's goals. IMHO without him they would be a mid-table side at most, and Albion would have had a much better chance of the play-offs.

It's a shame we let him go to a rival championship side - which compounds our misery. Personally, I don't think he would have scored half the goals he has got this season in Albion's system of play, and i too am delighted so far with Ulloa..

I too don't understand why posts such as this always come back to Murray. If people think he was/is so good, I would think you'd want to forget his exstence!

I agree that he wouldn't have scored anywhere near that amount in our system and Ulloa looks like he could be brilliant in our style/system, scoring goals too.

However, I think Palace's resurgence may have been more down to having a £12m winger winning penalties and putting endless crosses into the box. If they had had Kevin Phillips playing all season (which because of age wouldn't have been possible anyway), they would probably be top and promoted by now.

Much prefer Ulloa to the lazy Murray and that won't change whatever happens on Sunday or the rest of the season.

On the actual story, I am interested to see what Brighton eventually say about this. The video footage was inconclusive but the club's silence on the matter possibly suggests they know a bit more. If he did it, he should be punished by the FA and the club. I don't necessarily think it should be the end of his Brighton career though. That is up to Gus. We will see.

Returning to the actual story, may I be the voice of reason here? However stupid Barnes may have been, however long the ban, we still need him back for our sakes for as many more games as we can this season. We just don't have enough players otherwise.

Seagull John wrote:
Returning to the actual story, may I be the voice of reason here? However stupid Barnes may have been, however long the ban, we still need him back for our sakes for as many more games as we can this season. We just don't have enough players otherwise.

Don't hold your breath, he may well miss the rest of the season.

Seagull John wrote:
Returning to the actual story, may I be the voice of reason here? However stupid Barnes may have been, however long the ban, we still need him back for our sakes for as many more games as we can this season. We just don't have enough players otherwise.

Bet with a run of games Lua Lua could out perform Barnes, keep him out the squad

The ban may just be the reason we make the play-offs........

WestStander17 wrote:

Vince wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Only an Albion website can constantly turn a story - any story - into one about a grumpy ex-player who wanted out. I still prefer Ulloa to GM.

I too prefer Ulloa as a person and he has great skills, and potentially more years ahead of him. However, my understanding of the grumpy ex-player is that he did want to stay, but he wanted a lot more money.
In hindsight Palace's resurgence at the beginning of the season - after a disastrous start of 4 defeats - was almost solely due to Murray's goals. IMHO without him they would be a mid-table side at most, and Albion would have had a much better chance of the play-offs.

It's a shame we let him go to a rival championship side - which compounds our misery. Personally, I don't think he would have scored half the goals he has got this season in Albion's system of play, and i too am delighted so far with Ulloa..

I too don't understand why posts such as this always come back to Murray. If people think he was/is so good, I would think you'd want to forget his exstence!

I agree that he wouldn't have scored anywhere near that amount in our system and Ulloa looks like he could be brilliant in our style/system, scoring goals too.

However, I think Palace's resurgence may have been more down to having a £12m winger winning penalties and putting endless crosses into the box. If they had had Kevin Phillips playing all season (which because of age wouldn't have been possible anyway), they would probably be top and promoted by now.

Much prefer Ulloa to the lazy Murray and that won't change whatever happens on Sunday or the rest of the season.

On the actual story, I am interested to see what Brighton eventually say about this. The video footage was inconclusive but the club's silence on the matter possibly suggests they know a bit more. If he did it, he should be punished by the FA and the club. I don't necessarily think it should be the end of his Brighton career though. That is up to Gus. We will see.

Another excellent post, Westander.

Gazza by the sea wrote:
The ban may just be the reason we make the play-offs........

You never know. It takes a stroke of fortune (perceived as good OR bad) to force the manager's hand and sometimes uncover an unexpected benefit as a result. For example, we may end up playing LuaLua upfront or Buckley in the central strikers roll and discover a winning formula that includes these guys. Buckley considers himself foremost a striker anyway and LuaLua impressed during a stint in that role in the latter part of one game this season (I forget the opposition).

Alternatively, perhaps Barker or Toby will get another shot upfront and manage to make an impressionl, or JFC from midfield in the absence of Vicente??

Captain Haddock wrote:

WestStander17 wrote:

Vince wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Only an Albion website can constantly turn a story - any story - into one about a grumpy ex-player who wanted out. I still prefer Ulloa to GM.

I too prefer Ulloa as a person and he has great skills, and potentially more years ahead of him. However, my understanding of the grumpy ex-player is that he did want to stay, but he wanted a lot more money.
In hindsight Palace's resurgence at the beginning of the season - after a disastrous start of 4 defeats - was almost solely due to Murray's goals. IMHO without him they would be a mid-table side at most, and Albion would have had a much better chance of the play-offs.

It's a shame we let him go to a rival championship side - which compounds our misery. Personally, I don't think he would have scored half the goals he has got this season in Albion's system of play, and i too am delighted so far with Ulloa..

I too don't understand why posts such as this always come back to Murray. If people think he was/is so good, I would think you'd want to forget his exstence!

I agree that he wouldn't have scored anywhere near that amount in our system and Ulloa looks like he could be brilliant in our style/system, scoring goals too.

However, I think Palace's resurgence may have been more down to having a £12m winger winning penalties and putting endless crosses into the box. If they had had Kevin Phillips playing all season (which because of age wouldn't have been possible anyway), they would probably be top and promoted by now.

Much prefer Ulloa to the lazy Murray and that won't change whatever happens on Sunday or the rest of the season.

On the actual story, I am interested to see what Brighton eventually say about this. The video footage was inconclusive but the club's silence on the matter possibly suggests they know a bit more. If he did it, he should be punished by the FA and the club. I don't necessarily think it should be the end of his Brighton career though. That is up to Gus. We will see.

Another excellent post, Westander.

I agree WestStander, I think you're right about Murrey, Ulloa and coming back to the FA charge, the club's silence on the matter. The FA cannot prove Barnes intended to leg up up the lankey match official, but they can condem his incandesant reaction to seeing red.
Gus and the club know how these charges usually play out and I now expect they will acknowledge a damage limiting acceptance of the charges in view of Ashley's tempermental reaction to being sent off.