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Sussex's title hopes hit by defeat to Derbyshire

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Sussex’s title hopes took a massive blow as they suffered an emphatic defeat against struggling Derbyshire at Hove.

Sussex began the day looking to push for the win which would have sent them back to the top of division one but collapsed in dramatic fashion.

Resuming on 11-1 they slumped to 133 all out to set Derbyshire a target of 174 to win which they achieved for the loss of just one wicket.

It was Sussex’s tenth defeat in their last 11 games in all competitions and they are still looking for their first win at Hove since August 15 last year.

The result leaves Sussex behind Yorkshire in second place in the table while Derbyshire remain bottom despite picking up their first win of the season – and their first at Hove since 1996.

The day got off to a poor start when Luke Wells edged the third ball from Tim Groenewald to third slip without adding to the overnight score and it went downhill from there.

Groenewald also picked up the wickets of night-watchman Lewis Hatchett, Luke Wright and Chris Jordan to finish with figures of 5-40.

Mark Footitt played his part by removing Mike Yardy, Rory Hamilton-Brown and Steve Magoffin to take 3-39 while there was a wicket apiece for Alex Hughes and Mark Higginbottom.

Wright was the only Sussex batsman to mount any sort of resistance as he put on partnerships of 33 with Ed Joyce and 37 with Jordan before falling one short of his half century.

A target in excess of 200 may have caused Derbyshire a few problems but they had little difficulty knocking off the runs after tea.

Ben Slater and Chesney Hughes got the visitors off to a strong start with a partnership of 69 for the first wicket before Hughes was bowled by Jordan for 37.

Slater went on to score his maiden Championship half century and was unbeaten on 66 at the end while Wayne Madsen followed his 97 from the first innings with 62 not out to guide Derbyshire home.

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5:43pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Neville says...

I won't be wasting any more money watching Sussex this season,today was just absolutely dire,no desire and no fight. Even our bowling attack which was so good at the start of the season looks tired and ineffective now. Robinson needs to sort this out but I don't hold out too much hope of that.
Clear out required with Gatting first to go and cannot really see the point of having Liddle on the books just to play death bowler in T20.
Please can we bring in a proper batting coach asap.
I won't be wasting any more money watching Sussex this season,today was just absolutely dire,no desire and no fight. Even our bowling attack which was so good at the start of the season looks tired and ineffective now. Robinson needs to sort this out but I don't hold out too much hope of that. Clear out required with Gatting first to go and cannot really see the point of having Liddle on the books just to play death bowler in T20. Please can we bring in a proper batting coach asap. Neville
  • Score: 5

6:11pm Sun 4 Aug 13

psb196 says...

I am in complete agreement with Neville. I have just wasted three days of my life at the County Ground watching this drivel. That's it for me this season I'm afraid. Better things to do with my time. I have now left the building. I could add lots of comments but there really isn't much point. Derbyshire thrashed us. Repeat, DERBYSHIRE thrashed us.
I am in complete agreement with Neville. I have just wasted three days of my life at the County Ground watching this drivel. That's it for me this season I'm afraid. Better things to do with my time. I have now left the building. I could add lots of comments but there really isn't much point. Derbyshire thrashed us. Repeat, DERBYSHIRE thrashed us. psb196
  • Score: 5

6:30pm Sun 4 Aug 13

SecondReserve says...

Let's be honest, we were awful and that's being polite. I have watched Sussex for nearly 50 years, since my dad took me to see us play Essex in 1965. I have seen countless matches, home and away, and in all those years I've seen some poor Sussex teams, some very ordinary Sussex players and quite a few dismal performances, I love cricket, I'm Sussex through and through and my attitude has always been that provided our players do their very best, are seen to give 100% all the time and play to the best of their ability I'm not worried whether we win, lose or draw. The present team has some very good players but as a team they are clearly not doing those things. Today was a truly pathetic performance. We were woeful in T20 but I am more worried about us being thrashed in our last 2 Championship matches. At least Middlesex are a good side, Derby are not - bottom of the table, no wins before today, out of their depth in Division 1 and with the weakest looking team to be in Division 1 for a very long time. Today was a dreadful day - our batting was awful but was the wicket difficult? Obviously not - Derby knocked our bowling around Hove at over 4 an over and only lost 1 wicket. 5 of our top 7 failed twice and at very least 2 of them plus the wicketkeeper could very justifiably be dropped. The bowling was no better - 2 bowlers who have taken a load of wickets on really helpful pitches were totally innocuous, Monty could have been playing for England but has been poor all season and why Hatchett (not a single wicket in the match) was picked ahead of Anyon will forever be a mystery. So 2 bowlers could justifiably be dropped as well. We do have bowling options but, sadly, we don't have any realistic batting options except Machan and maybe Jackson as keeper.
Let's be honest, we were awful and that's being polite. I have watched Sussex for nearly 50 years, since my dad took me to see us play Essex in 1965. I have seen countless matches, home and away, and in all those years I've seen some poor Sussex teams, some very ordinary Sussex players and quite a few dismal performances, I love cricket, I'm Sussex through and through and my attitude has always been that provided our players do their very best, are seen to give 100% all the time and play to the best of their ability I'm not worried whether we win, lose or draw. The present team has some very good players but as a team they are clearly not doing those things. Today was a truly pathetic performance. We were woeful in T20 but I am more worried about us being thrashed in our last 2 Championship matches. At least Middlesex are a good side, Derby are not - bottom of the table, no wins before today, out of their depth in Division 1 and with the weakest looking team to be in Division 1 for a very long time. Today was a dreadful day - our batting was awful but was the wicket difficult? Obviously not - Derby knocked our bowling around Hove at over 4 an over and only lost 1 wicket. 5 of our top 7 failed twice and at very least 2 of them plus the wicketkeeper could very justifiably be dropped. The bowling was no better - 2 bowlers who have taken a load of wickets on really helpful pitches were totally innocuous, Monty could have been playing for England but has been poor all season and why Hatchett (not a single wicket in the match) was picked ahead of Anyon will forever be a mystery. So 2 bowlers could justifiably be dropped as well. We do have bowling options but, sadly, we don't have any realistic batting options except Machan and maybe Jackson as keeper. SecondReserve
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Sun 4 Aug 13

keswick says...

Something is not right at the County Ground. Of late our t20 performance was woeful and an insult to the people that paid good money to what has quite rightfully previously been called drivel. Now the Championship campaign appears to have hit the buffers. Is it time for Robbo to go ?
Something is not right at the County Ground. Of late our t20 performance was woeful and an insult to the people that paid good money to what has quite rightfully previously been called drivel. Now the Championship campaign appears to have hit the buffers. Is it time for Robbo to go ? keswick
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Sun 4 Aug 13

B-hove says...

Absolutely no confidence about the team. For all three days Sussex have played like a team with no apetite for Divisiom 1 and Derbyshire have played like ateam that always believed they would win. I can't recall a worse run of form or a time so lacking in belief in over 50 years of watchimg my county play cricket.
Absolutely no confidence about the team. For all three days Sussex have played like a team with no apetite for Divisiom 1 and Derbyshire have played like ateam that always believed they would win. I can't recall a worse run of form or a time so lacking in belief in over 50 years of watchimg my county play cricket. B-hove
  • Score: 1

7:24pm Sun 4 Aug 13

bruce beckett says...

Clear-out needed at the end of the season, but not sure how we stand contract-wise.

Liddle is a luxury we cannot afford; death bowler in one-day cricket who only kills off his own team's chances.

Beer. No point in keeping him if he's only going to play a handful of games each season.

Hatchett. Is is time to give him the chop? Only 23 but hasn't done much to impress so far.

Gatting. No explanation required.

Brown and Brown. One has done nowt since returning from Surrey; the other one throws his wicket away virtually every time he comes to the crease.

Harsh? Maybe. It's a long time since I've watched the 2nd XI in action. Do we have any promising youngsters coming through?
Clear-out needed at the end of the season, but not sure how we stand contract-wise. Liddle is a luxury we cannot afford; death bowler in one-day cricket who only kills off his own team's chances. Beer. No point in keeping him if he's only going to play a handful of games each season. Hatchett. Is is time to give him the chop? Only 23 but hasn't done much to impress so far. Gatting. No explanation required. Brown and Brown. One has done nowt since returning from Surrey; the other one throws his wicket away virtually every time he comes to the crease. Harsh? Maybe. It's a long time since I've watched the 2nd XI in action. Do we have any promising youngsters coming through? bruce beckett
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Sun 4 Aug 13

warwick shark says...

What a mess!
Nash-still worth his place, needs to get the big scores though.
Wells-great start, faded badly.
Yardy-had a decent season, better since he gave up the captains job.
Joyce-again had a decent season with the bat, not a good captain though.
Ham-Brown-very poor, off the field problems not an excuse.
Wright-when he has played, has carried the others-need more Luke Wrights.
Brown-waste of space with bat-time to play Jackson.
Jordan-genuine allrounder-very good first season.
Magoffin-quality bowler, wickets have dried up of late though.
Anyon-always gives 110% must keep him on.
Panesar-for me had a poor season, always looks uninterested and lazy when not bowling-Beer deserves a chance.

Robbo- seems to have run out of ideas and for me doesn't pick the right teams, too many under performing players keep getting picked-what does Matt Machan have to do to keep his place?

Maybe time for Adams to come back and shake it all up!!
What a mess! Nash-still worth his place, needs to get the big scores though. Wells-great start, faded badly. Yardy-had a decent season, better since he gave up the captains job. Joyce-again had a decent season with the bat, not a good captain though. Ham-Brown-very poor, off the field problems not an excuse. Wright-when he has played, has carried the others-need more Luke Wrights. Brown-waste of space with bat-time to play Jackson. Jordan-genuine allrounder-very good first season. Magoffin-quality bowler, wickets have dried up of late though. Anyon-always gives 110% must keep him on. Panesar-for me had a poor season, always looks uninterested and lazy when not bowling-Beer deserves a chance. Robbo- seems to have run out of ideas and for me doesn't pick the right teams, too many under performing players keep getting picked-what does Matt Machan have to do to keep his place? Maybe time for Adams to come back and shake it all up!! warwick shark
  • Score: 1

8:26pm Sun 4 Aug 13

SecondReserve says...

The last few posters have all made very good points. Clearly something is wrong at the club, we've lost 10 of our last 11 competitive matches and our players have not appeared fully committed during the dismal T20 campaign and the last 2 Championship matches. 2 matches ago we looked to have at least a chance of winning the Championship but we are now effectively down to fourth and, with 4 difficult games remaining, we could end up lower than last season's 4th place. It's a very far cry from the intense and tough cricket we played in the first Championship match when we thrashed Yorkshire. That was their only defeat but they are now a good bet for the title. Robbo has done very well over the years (except our relegation a few years ago) but he has to take responsibility for the team's performances and maybe it is now time for a change (but not Adams please!).
The last few posters have all made very good points. Clearly something is wrong at the club, we've lost 10 of our last 11 competitive matches and our players have not appeared fully committed during the dismal T20 campaign and the last 2 Championship matches. 2 matches ago we looked to have at least a chance of winning the Championship but we are now effectively down to fourth and, with 4 difficult games remaining, we could end up lower than last season's 4th place. It's a very far cry from the intense and tough cricket we played in the first Championship match when we thrashed Yorkshire. That was their only defeat but they are now a good bet for the title. Robbo has done very well over the years (except our relegation a few years ago) but he has to take responsibility for the team's performances and maybe it is now time for a change (but not Adams please!). SecondReserve
  • Score: 1

7:05am Mon 5 Aug 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Can't wait to read how 'old scrote of the amex' is going to put some positive spin on this defeat.
Can't wait to read how 'old scrote of the amex' is going to put some positive spin on this defeat. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 0

7:54am Mon 5 Aug 13

psb196 says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Can't wait to read how 'old scrote of the amex' is going to put some positive spin on this defeat.
He has already told us that 9 defeats out of 10 games in T20 was down to bad luck and it has just been "one of those seasons" and we should get over it.

He told us the Middlesex LVCC defeat was down to bad luck and losing the toss and was just a blip.

He has already told us this latest defeat was down to losing the toss and the fact that Foottit and Groenewald are the equivalent of Lillee and Thompson, they really are that good and practically unplayable. The fact that Derbyshire had not won a game was irrelevant, because anyone can beat anyone in this league, the standard is so high!

Was this the same Footit and Groenewald who Yorkshire made 671-5 from only two weeks earlier??

He also told us to wait for Hamilton-Brown's second innings before demanding his head on a plate. Hamilton-Brown scored FIVE in his second innings.

Aslong as people like this exist at Hove, and they do, in their hundreds, then the club will carry on in its cosy, safe way and the days of Moores, Adams and Mushtaq Ahmed will seem just like a brief pleasant dream.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to read how 'old scrote of the amex' is going to put some positive spin on this defeat.[/p][/quote]He has already told us that 9 defeats out of 10 games in T20 was down to bad luck and it has just been "one of those seasons" and we should get over it. He told us the Middlesex LVCC defeat was down to bad luck and losing the toss and was just a blip. He has already told us this latest defeat was down to losing the toss and the fact that Foottit and Groenewald are the equivalent of Lillee and Thompson, they really are that good and practically unplayable. The fact that Derbyshire had not won a game was irrelevant, because anyone can beat anyone in this league, the standard is so high! Was this the same Footit and Groenewald who Yorkshire made 671-5 from only two weeks earlier?? He also told us to wait for Hamilton-Brown's second innings before demanding his head on a plate. Hamilton-Brown scored FIVE in his second innings. Aslong as people like this exist at Hove, and they do, in their hundreds, then the club will carry on in its cosy, safe way and the days of Moores, Adams and Mushtaq Ahmed will seem just like a brief pleasant dream. psb196
  • Score: 0

8:40am Mon 5 Aug 13

Neville says...

Psb196
Excellent amusing post.
Psb196 Excellent amusing post. Neville
  • Score: 0

9:09am Mon 5 Aug 13

Gibseagull says...

For me, our appalling T20 form has now transferred itself into our Championship games. Our overseas "stars" failed to deliver in T20 and dressing room morale seems to have slumped alarmingly. The players are good enough - the first half of the season showed that, but they seem disinterested and demotivated. The coach and the captain are responsible. I agree that a decent batting coach is a must as will be replacing the captain (as captain, not as a player) and the coach if the team's performances don't pick up over the rest of the season.
For me, our appalling T20 form has now transferred itself into our Championship games. Our overseas "stars" failed to deliver in T20 and dressing room morale seems to have slumped alarmingly. The players are good enough - the first half of the season showed that, but they seem disinterested and demotivated. The coach and the captain are responsible. I agree that a decent batting coach is a must as will be replacing the captain (as captain, not as a player) and the coach if the team's performances don't pick up over the rest of the season. Gibseagull
  • Score: 0

10:00am Mon 5 Aug 13

warwick shark says...

If we were to 'change' the coach, the best coach around at moment in my opinion is Jimmy Adams at Kent, and could he bring Darren Stevens with him please!
If we were to 'change' the coach, the best coach around at moment in my opinion is Jimmy Adams at Kent, and could he bring Darren Stevens with him please! warwick shark
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Mon 5 Aug 13

lowerbeedingseagull says...

In this current situation we will find the true worth of the new chief executive as he must have answers.. On very reliable sources from Hants CCC he is not likely to do much at all which is a great pity. People have questioned the coach which is quite right but can anyone tell me what Davis does?

The playing staff has been questioned too. I wonder if Rippon had been born in Sussex rather than being a South African Dutchman he would have got a contract.
In this current situation we will find the true worth of the new chief executive as he must have answers.. On very reliable sources from Hants CCC he is not likely to do much at all which is a great pity. People have questioned the coach which is quite right but can anyone tell me what Davis does? The playing staff has been questioned too. I wonder if Rippon had been born in Sussex rather than being a South African Dutchman he would have got a contract. lowerbeedingseagull
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Mon 5 Aug 13

Neville says...

Davis as I understand it is Robinsons Number 1 and takes charge of spin bowlers,Hopkinson covers fielding and Lenham(he must be in his 70 s now) covers the batting,explains it all really doesn't it.
Davis as I understand it is Robinsons Number 1 and takes charge of spin bowlers,Hopkinson covers fielding and Lenham(he must be in his 70 s now) covers the batting,explains it all really doesn't it. Neville
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Mon 5 Aug 13

lowerbeedingseagull says...

Neville wrote:
Davis as I understand it is Robinsons Number 1 and takes charge of spin bowlers,Hopkinson covers fielding and Lenham(he must be in his 70 s now) covers the batting,explains it all really doesn't it.
Thanks Neville. I think you will find that Hopkinson is 2nd XI coach. Anyway the 2nd XI now have 4 days of cricket v Surrey at Arundel whilst the 1st XI have no fixtures. We shall see how serious Sussex consider their current plight is when they select their team. If it is not made up entirely of contracted pros rather than random trialists + a few academy kids then we will all know that there is nothing to worry about form wise & that the coaching staff have their fingers on the pulse. Some hope!!!
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Davis as I understand it is Robinsons Number 1 and takes charge of spin bowlers,Hopkinson covers fielding and Lenham(he must be in his 70 s now) covers the batting,explains it all really doesn't it.[/p][/quote]Thanks Neville. I think you will find that Hopkinson is 2nd XI coach. Anyway the 2nd XI now have 4 days of cricket v Surrey at Arundel whilst the 1st XI have no fixtures. We shall see how serious Sussex consider their current plight is when they select their team. If it is not made up entirely of contracted pros rather than random trialists + a few academy kids then we will all know that there is nothing to worry about form wise & that the coaching staff have their fingers on the pulse. Some hope!!! lowerbeedingseagull
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Wed 7 Aug 13

warwick shark says...

What about Monty Panesar! Has been fined £90 for a public order offence, just about sums up sussex ccc at the moment. I would leave him out of the next championship game and play Will Beer-great example set by one of our 'england' players!
What about Monty Panesar! Has been fined £90 for a public order offence, just about sums up sussex ccc at the moment. I would leave him out of the next championship game and play Will Beer-great example set by one of our 'england' players! warwick shark
  • Score: 0

7:09pm Fri 9 Aug 13

Never_Wrong says...

Robinson has got some serious thinking to do. Where exactly is he going with this team?
Robinson has got some serious thinking to do. Where exactly is he going with this team? Never_Wrong
  • Score: 0

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