Oscar rues worst home display as Tykes stun Seagulls

The Argus: Oscar Garcia felt Albion only performed for 35 minutes Oscar Garcia felt Albion only performed for 35 minutes

Head coach Oscar Garcia says Albion’s worst home performance of the season was to blame for their shock defeat by Barnsley.

Last night’s 2-1 setback at The Amex against the team at the bottom of the Championship and managerless ended the Seagulls’ six- match unbeaten run.

To make matters worse, Oscar revealed a fresh injury concern regarding influential Spanish midfielder Andrea Orlandi.

Albion were 2-0 down soon after half-time and Matt Upson’s first goal of the campaign was not enough to save them.

Oscar admitted: “We started very slowly. We wanted to start well but Barnsley kept the ball really well and we were too late in pressing them. When we don’t have the ball we are not comfortable.

“It’s not easy in this League to be unbeaten in six games. We were trying to keep the momentum going but it wasn’t possible, because we only played for 35 minutes.

“The first half was the worst first half we have played but in the second half we reacted well and we had enough chances to score a second goal and also a third but we didn’t take them.”

Orlandi made his comeback from knee surgery as a second-half substitute at Bournemouth on Saturday but was not in the squad last night due to a knock.

Oscar revealed: “He wasn’t 100 per cent. It’s the same knee, so we are a little bit concerned.”

The result dropped Albion two places to 11th, still three points outside the play-offs ahead of Saturday’s visit by leaders Leicester, although the gap between them and the top six will double to six points if Derby beat Middlesbrough at home tonight.

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6:06am Wed 4 Dec 13

rogerthefish says...

The bottom line Barnsley and there 115 traveling supporters where up for it, whereas it was suggested that all the Brighton players were given a pie or two beforehand, even the ever pacing and muttering Oscar seemed to be thinking about his Christmas card list rather than the game itself...dreadful.
The bottom line Barnsley and there 115 traveling supporters where up for it, whereas it was suggested that all the Brighton players were given a pie or two beforehand, even the ever pacing and muttering Oscar seemed to be thinking about his Christmas card list rather than the game itself...dreadful. rogerthefish

6:57am Wed 4 Dec 13

impose our game gull says...

Completely unadventurous line up for the kick off for at home against the bottom team with the worst goal difference led to a dreadful first hour performance with 3 shots on and off target. The continued bad performances, midweek, at home against bottom teams.

Lita got 11 mins of normal time - so, so little time really to properly do anything.

No Ince in the starting line up after being most people's MoM t Bournemouth and clearly someone we could have done with.

barnsley didn't "park the bus" but came to play and brought more passion and vigour to the first hour than we did. Such a shame we didn't go for them.

Kemy at least brought some incisive on the turf passing once on and Buckley initially livened up events and could and should perhaps have had two.

Both their goals really should have been stopped by Kuzscak - abject defending especially for the first.

A bad day at the office but compounded by the lack of willingness to really go for it at the start - against the bottom team - at home. I don't get it

3 good saves by Buttland.

Good games for Ward (as so often) and Conway where most who were on the pitch for the whole match wouldn't score more than a 5/ 10

2 shots on and off target by half time!! Yes, "TWO" - sums it up and so much of what we are lacking in the last third
Completely unadventurous line up for the kick off for at home against the bottom team with the worst goal difference led to a dreadful first hour performance with 3 shots on and off target. The continued bad performances, midweek, at home against bottom teams. Lita got 11 mins of normal time - so, so little time really to properly do anything. No Ince in the starting line up after being most people's MoM t Bournemouth and clearly someone we could have done with. barnsley didn't "park the bus" but came to play and brought more passion and vigour to the first hour than we did. Such a shame we didn't go for them. Kemy at least brought some incisive on the turf passing once on and Buckley initially livened up events and could and should perhaps have had two. Both their goals really should have been stopped by Kuzscak - abject defending especially for the first. A bad day at the office but compounded by the lack of willingness to really go for it at the start - against the bottom team - at home. I don't get it 3 good saves by Buttland. Good games for Ward (as so often) and Conway where most who were on the pitch for the whole match wouldn't score more than a 5/ 10 2 shots on and off target by half time!! Yes, "TWO" - sums it up and so much of what we are lacking in the last third impose our game gull

6:58am Wed 4 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.
Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks. Thewithdeanyears

7:07am Wed 4 Dec 13

Tommy11 says...

I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar!

Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault.

Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare???

I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........

I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!! Tommy11

7:41am Wed 4 Dec 13

Piglet1 says...

The fickleness of fans is astounding. You cannot win every game and when we win,despite being lucky,we are world beaters and when we lose we should sack the manager. Embarrassing to hear some of the comments last night from so called 'fans' , get behind the team that is the way the fans can help not by moaning and groaning. Sniping from the terraces deflates confidence and then they are less likely to want the ball or try killer passes
In case they do not come off.
Contain disappointment which we all feel and try and help the team.
The fickleness of fans is astounding. You cannot win every game and when we win,despite being lucky,we are world beaters and when we lose we should sack the manager. Embarrassing to hear some of the comments last night from so called 'fans' , get behind the team that is the way the fans can help not by moaning and groaning. Sniping from the terraces deflates confidence and then they are less likely to want the ball or try killer passes In case they do not come off. Contain disappointment which we all feel and try and help the team. Piglet1

7:42am Wed 4 Dec 13

college says...

The flashers are back - lose 1 and all the nobs are out
The flashers are back - lose 1 and all the nobs are out college

7:46am Wed 4 Dec 13

TheWerewolf says...

Usual palace fans joining the forum today. Ignore them. This is their first chance to say anything having been lucky last night. While we were poor last night we actually could still have won if Buckley had been sharper when 1 on 1 and if their keeper hadn't made a great save in the first half. Let's not kid ourselves we should be putting several past Barnsley but it shows how far we've come when we should have won despite playing as badly as I've seen at the Amex. Best response will be to beat Leicester on Saturday. Kemy and Bricutt looked good in the middle. David and Conway seemed absent. We do need ulloa back to really have a constant threat up front. Come on boys...
Usual palace fans joining the forum today. Ignore them. This is their first chance to say anything having been lucky last night. While we were poor last night we actually could still have won if Buckley had been sharper when 1 on 1 and if their keeper hadn't made a great save in the first half. Let's not kid ourselves we should be putting several past Barnsley but it shows how far we've come when we should have won despite playing as badly as I've seen at the Amex. Best response will be to beat Leicester on Saturday. Kemy and Bricutt looked good in the middle. David and Conway seemed absent. We do need ulloa back to really have a constant threat up front. Come on boys... TheWerewolf

8:03am Wed 4 Dec 13

kipper12 says...

agree with some comments , but a little over the top to start on about new management. !! yes, team selection strange... no ince who has been playing well , barnes taken off when we need goals , bruno in again, when playing poorly and calde doing ok ... it was just one of those games last night , and we get one every season , where it goes tits up !!! oscar will learn from this and we with prosper when we are back to full strength and with some height and presence up front !! im sure we will play 100% better against leicester !! .... well i cant get any worse than last night eh ??
agree with some comments , but a little over the top to start on about new management. !! yes, team selection strange... no ince who has been playing well , barnes taken off when we need goals , bruno in again, when playing poorly and calde doing ok ... it was just one of those games last night , and we get one every season , where it goes tits up !!! oscar will learn from this and we with prosper when we are back to full strength and with some height and presence up front !! im sure we will play 100% better against leicester !! .... well i cant get any worse than last night eh ?? kipper12

8:11am Wed 4 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar!

Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault.

Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare???

I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........

I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
Yes Holloway, yet another manager who would propel us out of this league just waiting for a job offer, yet we are still stuck with Oscar. You could pick Holloway, Jol, Jones, Coyle, Di canio, no compensation to pay for any of them right now, Allardyce about to be axed at west ham, plus a load more out of work with much to offer. Or just have all those managers I just mentioned, a 6 headed monster of a management team, terrifying the rest of the championship into submission, each with their own area to specialise. Might get a bit complicated on the touchline though! Joking aside though, this is the time to strike, with so many jobless managers queuing up for work.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]Yes Holloway, yet another manager who would propel us out of this league just waiting for a job offer, yet we are still stuck with Oscar. You could pick Holloway, Jol, Jones, Coyle, Di canio, no compensation to pay for any of them right now, Allardyce about to be axed at west ham, plus a load more out of work with much to offer. Or just have all those managers I just mentioned, a 6 headed monster of a management team, terrifying the rest of the championship into submission, each with their own area to specialise. Might get a bit complicated on the touchline though! Joking aside though, this is the time to strike, with so many jobless managers queuing up for work. Thewithdeanyears

8:24am Wed 4 Dec 13

Claude Back says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.
You are funny. Good parody too.
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.[/p][/quote]You are funny. Good parody too. Claude Back

8:36am Wed 4 Dec 13

Bushell17 says...

Yes, it was a bad day at the office but lets get over it and move on. We can all be great managers from the stands and I am sure that opinions will vary over certain players but I do agree with some of the earlier comments. JFC is a good player but with the players coming back he must now step aside for Ince, Andrews or Orlandi. My other question is why is it that when Bruno is out injured or suspended and Caldi comes in and plays well why does Bruno get straight back in ? Dont get me wrong Bruno is a good player but does he deserve to walk straight back in every time ?
I do think IMO that the team selection was strange last night and I would have rather seen Ince for JFC and Agustein for Lopez from the start assuming Buckley was not fit enough for 90 minutes.
We need to bounce back on Saturday now and I think we will !
Yes, it was a bad day at the office but lets get over it and move on. We can all be great managers from the stands and I am sure that opinions will vary over certain players but I do agree with some of the earlier comments. JFC is a good player but with the players coming back he must now step aside for Ince, Andrews or Orlandi. My other question is why is it that when Bruno is out injured or suspended and Caldi comes in and plays well why does Bruno get straight back in ? Dont get me wrong Bruno is a good player but does he deserve to walk straight back in every time ? I do think IMO that the team selection was strange last night and I would have rather seen Ince for JFC and Agustein for Lopez from the start assuming Buckley was not fit enough for 90 minutes. We need to bounce back on Saturday now and I think we will ! Bushell17

8:45am Wed 4 Dec 13

Claude Back says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar!

Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault.

Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare???

I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........

I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
Excellent summation, Tommy11 even if some on here won't appreciate it because they cannot think clearly being blinded by Albion prejudice.
You have said what many have been thinking for some time now; not just because of last night's game. (Although I think you are harsh on Bruno.)
You don't need to be a professional footballer to assess or give an opinion on what is wrong; nor have a coaching badge.. We all have our opinions and just because yours might differ from other 'fans' doesn't mean you should get 'roasted' All witnesses opinions on accidents are often diverse but there is a nugget of truth in most.
Yes, we may get lots of 'Thumbs down' for our comments but who cares about that? It is therapeutic to get things off your chest and that really is the only practical application for this site.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]Excellent summation, Tommy11 even if some on here won't appreciate it because they cannot think clearly being blinded by Albion prejudice. You have said what many have been thinking for some time now; not just because of last night's game. (Although I think you are harsh on Bruno.) You don't need to be a professional footballer to assess or give an opinion on what is wrong; nor have a coaching badge.. We all have our opinions and just because yours might differ from other 'fans' doesn't mean you should get 'roasted' All witnesses opinions on accidents are often diverse but there is a nugget of truth in most. Yes, we may get lots of 'Thumbs down' for our comments but who cares about that? It is therapeutic to get things off your chest and that really is the only practical application for this site. Claude Back

9:10am Wed 4 Dec 13

dave from bexill says...

Piglet1 wrote:
The fickleness of fans is astounding. You cannot win every game and when we win,despite being lucky,we are world beaters and when we lose we should sack the manager. Embarrassing to hear some of the comments last night from so called 'fans' , get behind the team that is the way the fans can help not by moaning and groaning. Sniping from the terraces deflates confidence and then they are less likely to want the ball or try killer passes
In case they do not come off.
Contain disappointment which we all feel and try and help the team.
I just knew that performance was down to the fans
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: The fickleness of fans is astounding. You cannot win every game and when we win,despite being lucky,we are world beaters and when we lose we should sack the manager. Embarrassing to hear some of the comments last night from so called 'fans' , get behind the team that is the way the fans can help not by moaning and groaning. Sniping from the terraces deflates confidence and then they are less likely to want the ball or try killer passes In case they do not come off. Contain disappointment which we all feel and try and help the team.[/p][/quote]I just knew that performance was down to the fans dave from bexill

9:23am Wed 4 Dec 13

jmmr316 says...

not overly concerned this result came after a massive win against Wigan and a good point against Bournemouth-my only criticism would be why Oscar wouldn't go two up top when clearly it was a fairly comfortable night for The Barnsley Defense-that said it is one bad game in 7
not overly concerned this result came after a massive win against Wigan and a good point against Bournemouth-my only criticism would be why Oscar wouldn't go two up top when clearly it was a fairly comfortable night for The Barnsley Defense-that said it is one bad game in 7 jmmr316

9:24am Wed 4 Dec 13

Tonyuk175 says...

Its 1 bad result off the back of a good run!!!! get behind the team and management the season is only getting started, what do we expect Win every game!!!! the squad is getting stronger but will take time ti get going as match fitness has to be there. Stop Moaning and get behind Oscar and the team........ ENOUGH SAID.....UTA
Its 1 bad result off the back of a good run!!!! get behind the team and management the season is only getting started, what do we expect Win every game!!!! the squad is getting stronger but will take time ti get going as match fitness has to be there. Stop Moaning and get behind Oscar and the team........ ENOUGH SAID.....UTA Tonyuk175

9:34am Wed 4 Dec 13

Vince says...

Claude Back wrote:
Tommy11 wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
Excellent summation, Tommy11 even if some on here won't appreciate it because they cannot think clearly being blinded by Albion prejudice. You have said what many have been thinking for some time now; not just because of last night's game. (Although I think you are harsh on Bruno.) You don't need to be a professional footballer to assess or give an opinion on what is wrong; nor have a coaching badge.. We all have our opinions and just because yours might differ from other 'fans' doesn't mean you should get 'roasted' All witnesses opinions on accidents are often diverse but there is a nugget of truth in most. Yes, we may get lots of 'Thumbs down' for our comments but who cares about that? It is therapeutic to get things off your chest and that really is the only practical application for this site.
Totally agree that he picked the wrong team, and yes why does OG continue to pick the woeful Lopez?
We needed to grasp the initiative from the start, but our slow build up play played right into their hands, and so they were encouraged to take the game to us and pushed further and further up the field. What we needed was attacking players with the ability to take the game to them - like Buckley and Lita. WHY SUCH A DEFENSIVE TEAM WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER AT HOME TO THE BOTTOM TEAM, WITH THE WORST DEFENSIVE RECORD?????

It was obvious by the half hour mark that Barnsley were totally winning the midfield battle, and about this time I said to my companions that OG needed to change the team quickly as I could see them scoring. Indeed 4 minutes later they did just that.
Buckley came on at the start of the second half and immediately caused problems down the right wing. However, we were still losingthe midfield battle - but incredibly it took until after the 2nd goal went in, and Barnsley were pressing hard for a third, that he finally introduced Agustein. From the moment he came on, he oozed class, superb passes, great vision and we then became totally dominant. After we scored, it was only poor finishing that prevented an equaliser, but why oh why was Lita only brought on 10 minutes from the end? Why did he not play off of Barnes
instead of replacing him. Poyet would have sacrificed a defender and not taken off our main striker.
OG needs to be a lot more proactive in my opinion. The warning signs were there in the first half, but by the time he ponderously decided to do something about it - we were 0-2 down.
On the evidence of last night - and this insistence on playing only one striker at home, I can see us finishing with a mediocre home record this season - with far too many draws.
With the talent we have available in the squad, we could still squeeze into the top 6 - but it could be so much better if we adopted a more attacking mentality. Look at Burnley without the injured Ings last night - totally ineffectual up front. They need two strikers playing off each other - Ings and Vokes have scored a hatful this season playing off each other.
All good strikers hunt in pairs. last night Barnes was marked out of the game - he needed support. WHY WAS LITA WARMING THE BENCH FOR 80 MINUTES?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]Excellent summation, Tommy11 even if some on here won't appreciate it because they cannot think clearly being blinded by Albion prejudice. You have said what many have been thinking for some time now; not just because of last night's game. (Although I think you are harsh on Bruno.) You don't need to be a professional footballer to assess or give an opinion on what is wrong; nor have a coaching badge.. We all have our opinions and just because yours might differ from other 'fans' doesn't mean you should get 'roasted' All witnesses opinions on accidents are often diverse but there is a nugget of truth in most. Yes, we may get lots of 'Thumbs down' for our comments but who cares about that? It is therapeutic to get things off your chest and that really is the only practical application for this site.[/p][/quote]Totally agree that he picked the wrong team, and yes why does OG continue to pick the woeful Lopez? We needed to grasp the initiative from the start, but our slow build up play played right into their hands, and so they were encouraged to take the game to us and pushed further and further up the field. What we needed was attacking players with the ability to take the game to them - like Buckley and Lita. WHY SUCH A DEFENSIVE TEAM WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER AT HOME TO THE BOTTOM TEAM, WITH THE WORST DEFENSIVE RECORD????? It was obvious by the half hour mark that Barnsley were totally winning the midfield battle, and about this time I said to my companions that OG needed to change the team quickly as I could see them scoring. Indeed 4 minutes later they did just that. Buckley came on at the start of the second half and immediately caused problems down the right wing. However, we were still losingthe midfield battle - but incredibly it took until after the 2nd goal went in, and Barnsley were pressing hard for a third, that he finally introduced Agustein. From the moment he came on, he oozed class, superb passes, great vision and we then became totally dominant. After we scored, it was only poor finishing that prevented an equaliser, but why oh why was Lita only brought on 10 minutes from the end? Why did he not play off of Barnes instead of replacing him. Poyet would have sacrificed a defender and not taken off our main striker. OG needs to be a lot more proactive in my opinion. The warning signs were there in the first half, but by the time he ponderously decided to do something about it - we were 0-2 down. On the evidence of last night - and this insistence on playing only one striker at home, I can see us finishing with a mediocre home record this season - with far too many draws. With the talent we have available in the squad, we could still squeeze into the top 6 - but it could be so much better if we adopted a more attacking mentality. Look at Burnley without the injured Ings last night - totally ineffectual up front. They need two strikers playing off each other - Ings and Vokes have scored a hatful this season playing off each other. All good strikers hunt in pairs. last night Barnes was marked out of the game - he needed support. WHY WAS LITA WARMING THE BENCH FOR 80 MINUTES? Vince

9:50am Wed 4 Dec 13

Steveg1958 says...

Yes we can look at last night's game a one bad result after some good ones, but surely we should have "gone for it" a bit more last night, strange team selection for sure, with Ince left out and Lita given very little time to do anything.
Two shots and 1 corner at home in the first half are pretty unacceptable, we were playing a team at the foot of the table at home for goodness sake !,
If the team played badly in the first half maybe it wasn't so much their fault but that of the coaching team being too afraid to go out and attack the opposition.
If we had really had a go from the start with Ince in Midfield and two up front then just maybe e would have made them make errors at the back instead of us.
And could somebody please explain why we couldn't seem to tackle our way out of a wet paper bag ! (except Liam, Ward and Conway that is. ?
Yes we can look at last night's game a one bad result after some good ones, but surely we should have "gone for it" a bit more last night, strange team selection for sure, with Ince left out and Lita given very little time to do anything. Two shots and 1 corner at home in the first half are pretty unacceptable, we were playing a team at the foot of the table at home for goodness sake !, If the team played badly in the first half maybe it wasn't so much their fault but that of the coaching team being too afraid to go out and attack the opposition. If we had really had a go from the start with Ince in Midfield and two up front then just maybe e would have made them make errors at the back instead of us. And could somebody please explain why we couldn't seem to tackle our way out of a wet paper bag ! (except Liam, Ward and Conway that is. ? Steveg1958

9:56am Wed 4 Dec 13

lenward says...

Yes a poor performance last night in the first half , but they game out in the second half looking a lot better. To give that second goal away when they did most have been gut wrenching for them. That would have kill of a lot of teams , but they kept going , same old story though we can't put the ball in the net.

I can not believe people are talking about a change of management , when two weeks ago you were saying how good Oscar is, but as the old saying goes two weeks is a long time in football.

Do agree i also think Lita should be given a start to see what he can do.
Yes a poor performance last night in the first half , but they game out in the second half looking a lot better. To give that second goal away when they did most have been gut wrenching for them. That would have kill of a lot of teams , but they kept going , same old story though we can't put the ball in the net. I can not believe people are talking about a change of management , when two weeks ago you were saying how good Oscar is, but as the old saying goes two weeks is a long time in football. Do agree i also think Lita should be given a start to see what he can do. lenward

10:04am Wed 4 Dec 13

tug509 says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar!

Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault.

Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare???

I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........

I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
With you on this right up to the last two paragraphs . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]With you on this right up to the last two paragraphs . UTA tug509

10:37am Wed 4 Dec 13

pjwilk says...

Brighton didnt wake until they were 2-0 down,then what does Oscar do,he takes off Barnes and puts on Lita.The game was crying out for two strikers Barnes and Lita.Oscar made another very negative decision.Hopeless.
Brighton didnt wake until they were 2-0 down,then what does Oscar do,he takes off Barnes and puts on Lita.The game was crying out for two strikers Barnes and Lita.Oscar made another very negative decision.Hopeless. pjwilk

10:52am Wed 4 Dec 13

Joel'sGrandad says...

It was a funny old night with a few odd results including ours. All three bottom sides won against seemingly superior opposition. This is what makes the Championship more interesting than the PL(promised land) IMO.
Team selection was odd also but maybe Oscar was looking at both home games this week and it backfired. Don't forget also we are still running on a much depleted squad although on paper we should have won and on the night with a bit of luck could have won.
Barnsley played well, denied us tha ball and took their chances. Basically they did everything better than us.
Also we fans have got to stop waiting for the team to do something before we start to get behind the players. We should shout and holler from the word go and not wait for something to happen. We are the twelfth man. Roll on Saturday. UTA
It was a funny old night with a few odd results including ours. All three bottom sides won against seemingly superior opposition. This is what makes the Championship more interesting than the PL(promised land) IMO. Team selection was odd also but maybe Oscar was looking at both home games this week and it backfired. Don't forget also we are still running on a much depleted squad although on paper we should have won and on the night with a bit of luck could have won. Barnsley played well, denied us tha ball and took their chances. Basically they did everything better than us. Also we fans have got to stop waiting for the team to do something before we start to get behind the players. We should shout and holler from the word go and not wait for something to happen. We are the twelfth man. Roll on Saturday. UTA Joel'sGrandad

11:01am Wed 4 Dec 13

mark5 says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.
He, he, he, best post of the day! You have surpassed yourself with this one and brought a big smile to my face! The image of you walking home, analysing the problems, shaking your head wearily and admitting to yourself that we need a clean sweep in all areas is sheer quality!! You are of course, absolutely right, in that we need the classy, one touch football that is so much part of the Pulis/Alladyce style to get the Amex rocking and attracting the admiration of the footballing world! I have absolutely no doubt that Bloom is making the calls as I write this!

Yes, it was pretty grim last night and the first half was the worst I can recall. However, it was a blip in an otherwise good run of form and there are plenty of "top" sides having unexpected howlers all the time. Our best players are on the way back and it was reassuring to see Kemy making an impact with some quality play and distribution and Buckley always threatens. I would like to see Lita have more game time as he always looks dangerous. I expect that if we play like we did in the second half we will win more than we lose, and I reckon that we will beat Leicester Saturday too, with some inevitable changes on team selection. We are heading in the right direction generally and am confident that a top 6 finish beckons, as I have been since the start! UTA!
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.[/p][/quote]He, he, he, best post of the day! You have surpassed yourself with this one and brought a big smile to my face! The image of you walking home, analysing the problems, shaking your head wearily and admitting to yourself that we need a clean sweep in all areas is sheer quality!! You are of course, absolutely right, in that we need the classy, one touch football that is so much part of the Pulis/Alladyce style to get the Amex rocking and attracting the admiration of the footballing world! I have absolutely no doubt that Bloom is making the calls as I write this! Yes, it was pretty grim last night and the first half was the worst I can recall. However, it was a blip in an otherwise good run of form and there are plenty of "top" sides having unexpected howlers all the time. Our best players are on the way back and it was reassuring to see Kemy making an impact with some quality play and distribution and Buckley always threatens. I would like to see Lita have more game time as he always looks dangerous. I expect that if we play like we did in the second half we will win more than we lose, and I reckon that we will beat Leicester Saturday too, with some inevitable changes on team selection. We are heading in the right direction generally and am confident that a top 6 finish beckons, as I have been since the start! UTA! mark5

11:10am Wed 4 Dec 13

Steveg1958 says...

mark5 wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.
He, he, he, best post of the day! You have surpassed yourself with this one and brought a big smile to my face! The image of you walking home, analysing the problems, shaking your head wearily and admitting to yourself that we need a clean sweep in all areas is sheer quality!! You are of course, absolutely right, in that we need the classy, one touch football that is so much part of the Pulis/Alladyce style to get the Amex rocking and attracting the admiration of the footballing world! I have absolutely no doubt that Bloom is making the calls as I write this!

Yes, it was pretty grim last night and the first half was the worst I can recall. However, it was a blip in an otherwise good run of form and there are plenty of "top" sides having unexpected howlers all the time. Our best players are on the way back and it was reassuring to see Kemy making an impact with some quality play and distribution and Buckley always threatens. I would like to see Lita have more game time as he always looks dangerous. I expect that if we play like we did in the second half we will win more than we lose, and I reckon that we will beat Leicester Saturday too, with some inevitable changes on team selection. We are heading in the right direction generally and am confident that a top 6 finish beckons, as I have been since the start! UTA!
Not a chance of top six all the time the management team insist on such negative tactics at home. Yes we have players still out, but we had two sitting on the bench last night, (all but ten minutes in Lita's case), that would have made a massive difference. Why start with so many defensive midfielders ? or is it possible that the head coach and 1st team coach thought Messi and Ronaldo were on loan at Barnsley !, Poor very Poor.
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.[/p][/quote]He, he, he, best post of the day! You have surpassed yourself with this one and brought a big smile to my face! The image of you walking home, analysing the problems, shaking your head wearily and admitting to yourself that we need a clean sweep in all areas is sheer quality!! You are of course, absolutely right, in that we need the classy, one touch football that is so much part of the Pulis/Alladyce style to get the Amex rocking and attracting the admiration of the footballing world! I have absolutely no doubt that Bloom is making the calls as I write this! Yes, it was pretty grim last night and the first half was the worst I can recall. However, it was a blip in an otherwise good run of form and there are plenty of "top" sides having unexpected howlers all the time. Our best players are on the way back and it was reassuring to see Kemy making an impact with some quality play and distribution and Buckley always threatens. I would like to see Lita have more game time as he always looks dangerous. I expect that if we play like we did in the second half we will win more than we lose, and I reckon that we will beat Leicester Saturday too, with some inevitable changes on team selection. We are heading in the right direction generally and am confident that a top 6 finish beckons, as I have been since the start! UTA![/p][/quote]Not a chance of top six all the time the management team insist on such negative tactics at home. Yes we have players still out, but we had two sitting on the bench last night, (all but ten minutes in Lita's case), that would have made a massive difference. Why start with so many defensive midfielders ? or is it possible that the head coach and 1st team coach thought Messi and Ronaldo were on loan at Barnsley !, Poor very Poor. Steveg1958

11:12am Wed 4 Dec 13

Vince says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
When OG was first appointed - it was stated that he would adopt a much more attacking approach - with his teams breaking quickly from defence to attack, rather than the more laboured build up used by GP.

Hooray, we all thought! At last we can be properly entertained with some good attacking play! Then the horrible truth dawns. OG IS REALLY GUS POYET MARK II and PLAYS WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER!!!! What is it about these Spaniards that they all have to try and play the Barcelona way? It's great when the rest of the team are all skilful and capable of intelligent interplay and SCORING GOALS. Unfortunately, not many players in the team he fielded last night are actually capable of scoring goals! Even more glaring was the total lack of creativity and class in the midfield - until of course Kemy Agustien arrived on the scene. He immediately put into perspective our complete lack of a midfield up to that point and the total dross served up by the likes of David Lopez.

I am getting totally bored and frustrated at our lack of ambition at home. Time and again, we have to wait until the last 20 minutes before we at last start to see some fluid attacking and purposeful forward play. How many times over the last 2 and 1/2 seasons have we seen Brighton desperately seeking to retrieve deficits at home in the last quarter of matches - throwing on Lua Lua, Vicente and the like for a frantic blitz? Under Gus I would say we managed about 10 draws from losing positions in the last 10 minutes. We also gave away about 10 winning positions in the last 5 minutes by defending too deep.

The first half last night was almost a total replica of the annoyingly cautious team formations that Gus used last season - and the reason why so many home games were drawn. We all know that that and his over cautious approach in defending a one goal lead in the last 5 minutes was Gus's achilles heel, when automatic promotion should have been a certainty. Quite a few managers (like Paul Ince) said that we were the best team in the Championship last season - and at times we were devastating.

ALL SO NEGATIVE. So much more could be achieved if this overly-cautious approach was discarded and we started games with more attacking team formations - rather than relying on the impact players to retrieve lost causes.

Last night by the time Agustien and Lita were brought on, Barnsley were fighting for their lives, and packing their defence to hold onto their lead. Scoring was always going to be difficult then. But if these two players or Rohan Ince and Will Buckley had started - we could have been looking at total domination a 5-0 win.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]When OG was first appointed - it was stated that he would adopt a much more attacking approach - with his teams breaking quickly from defence to attack, rather than the more laboured build up used by GP. Hooray, we all thought! At last we can be properly entertained with some good attacking play! Then the horrible truth dawns. OG IS REALLY GUS POYET MARK II and PLAYS WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER!!!! What is it about these Spaniards that they all have to try and play the Barcelona way? It's great when the rest of the team are all skilful and capable of intelligent interplay and SCORING GOALS. Unfortunately, not many players in the team he fielded last night are actually capable of scoring goals! Even more glaring was the total lack of creativity and class in the midfield - until of course Kemy Agustien arrived on the scene. He immediately put into perspective our complete lack of a midfield up to that point and the total dross served up by the likes of David Lopez. I am getting totally bored and frustrated at our lack of ambition at home. Time and again, we have to wait until the last 20 minutes before we at last start to see some fluid attacking and purposeful forward play. How many times over the last 2 and 1/2 seasons have we seen Brighton desperately seeking to retrieve deficits at home in the last quarter of matches - throwing on Lua Lua, Vicente and the like for a frantic blitz? Under Gus I would say we managed about 10 draws from losing positions in the last 10 minutes. We also gave away about 10 winning positions in the last 5 minutes by defending too deep. The first half last night was almost a total replica of the annoyingly cautious team formations that Gus used last season - and the reason why so many home games were drawn. We all know that that and his over cautious approach in defending a one goal lead in the last 5 minutes was Gus's achilles heel, when automatic promotion should have been a certainty. Quite a few managers (like Paul Ince) said that we were the best team in the Championship last season - and at times we were devastating. ALL SO NEGATIVE. So much more could be achieved if this overly-cautious approach was discarded and we started games with more attacking team formations - rather than relying on the impact players to retrieve lost causes. Last night by the time Agustien and Lita were brought on, Barnsley were fighting for their lives, and packing their defence to hold onto their lead. Scoring was always going to be difficult then. But if these two players or Rohan Ince and Will Buckley had started - we could have been looking at total domination a 5-0 win. Vince

11:14am Wed 4 Dec 13

Piglet1 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
The fickleness of fans is astounding. You cannot win every game and when we win,despite being lucky,we are world beaters and when we lose we should sack the manager. Embarrassing to hear some of the comments last night from so called 'fans' , get behind the team that is the way the fans can help not by moaning and groaning. Sniping from the terraces deflates confidence and then they are less likely to want the ball or try killer passes
In case they do not come off.
Contain disappointment which we all feel and try and help the team.
I just knew that performance was down to the fans
Not what I said; but when we are playing badly if the fans want to help then get behind the team. Simples.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: The fickleness of fans is astounding. You cannot win every game and when we win,despite being lucky,we are world beaters and when we lose we should sack the manager. Embarrassing to hear some of the comments last night from so called 'fans' , get behind the team that is the way the fans can help not by moaning and groaning. Sniping from the terraces deflates confidence and then they are less likely to want the ball or try killer passes In case they do not come off. Contain disappointment which we all feel and try and help the team.[/p][/quote]I just knew that performance was down to the fans[/p][/quote]Not what I said; but when we are playing badly if the fans want to help then get behind the team. Simples. Piglet1

11:21am Wed 4 Dec 13

CantUseNSCatWork says...

I'm putting all down to a freaky Tuesday. We lose at home to Barnsley, Leicester lose to Sheff Weds and Blackpool lose to Yeovil. Bottom 3 all winning against teams thinking about the play-offs or promotion. Wouldn't have minded a treble on that one!

Bad day at the office, and roll on Saturday for a chance to put it right.
I'm putting all down to a freaky Tuesday. We lose at home to Barnsley, Leicester lose to Sheff Weds and Blackpool lose to Yeovil. Bottom 3 all winning against teams thinking about the play-offs or promotion. Wouldn't have minded a treble on that one! Bad day at the office, and roll on Saturday for a chance to put it right. CantUseNSCatWork

11:38am Wed 4 Dec 13

the taffster says...

pjwilk wrote:
Brighton didnt wake until they were 2-0 down,then what does Oscar do,he takes off Barnes and puts on Lita.The game was crying out for two strikers Barnes and Lita.Oscar made another very negative decision.Hopeless.
I agree Oscar is clueless.....come on tony,get us a proper manager
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Brighton didnt wake until they were 2-0 down,then what does Oscar do,he takes off Barnes and puts on Lita.The game was crying out for two strikers Barnes and Lita.Oscar made another very negative decision.Hopeless.[/p][/quote]I agree Oscar is clueless.....come on tony,get us a proper manager the taffster

12:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

tonypulis says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.
Ha ha - quality post my seagull baiting friend. You are a Palace legend on BBS. Having gone to the same comprehensive in Mitcham as you, it goes to show that some of us from SE London are, in fact, very intelligent and articulate. Tony Pulis's Long Ball Army!!!! Eaaaagles!!!
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.[/p][/quote]Ha ha - quality post my seagull baiting friend. You are a Palace legend on BBS. Having gone to the same comprehensive in Mitcham as you, it goes to show that some of us from SE London are, in fact, very intelligent and articulate. Tony Pulis's Long Ball Army!!!! Eaaaagles!!! tonypulis

12:30pm Wed 4 Dec 13

barnieb says...

Mystifying formation,with only Barnes upfront.This game was begging for a 4-4-2 formation with Barnes playing alongside Lita upfront.Everthing bounced off Barnes,was unable to hold anything up,when he was substituted for Leroy Lita very late on,we began to look threatening,Lita looked big,strong and hungry.I have no doubt that had he started,he would have scored a couple and the Albion would have won comfortably.
Mystifying formation,with only Barnes upfront.This game was begging for a 4-4-2 formation with Barnes playing alongside Lita upfront.Everthing bounced off Barnes,was unable to hold anything up,when he was substituted for Leroy Lita very late on,we began to look threatening,Lita looked big,strong and hungry.I have no doubt that had he started,he would have scored a couple and the Albion would have won comfortably. barnieb

12:47pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Major Bloodboil says...

I said a couple of weeks or so ago that Oscar is Gus mark II and so it is proving. He is not going to play two strikers no matter what. With the re-introduction of Bridcutt we dropped back into our own half and were far too deep. I guess that Rohan was suffering after last Saturday, that can be the only explanation for him not being included in the starting 11.

We supporters are a fickle lot, after a win or two we are on a high and talk about promotion and then after a defeat it's all doom and gloom! Well the truth is somewhere in between.

I think that the way we perform is all down to the opposition. If they press us a la Bournemouth we struggle; if they sit back we invariably win. We don't seem to be able to adapt especially when we have a starting line up like last night. As with Gus we choose a line up that is negative and we only start to play when we are chasing the game. I do wish Oscar would take a risk with the line up, but I don't think that will happen. That said, we can still reach the play offs even with team selection that we have experienced up until now.
I said a couple of weeks or so ago that Oscar is Gus mark II and so it is proving. He is not going to play two strikers no matter what. With the re-introduction of Bridcutt we dropped back into our own half and were far too deep. I guess that Rohan was suffering after last Saturday, that can be the only explanation for him not being included in the starting 11. We supporters are a fickle lot, after a win or two we are on a high and talk about promotion and then after a defeat it's all doom and gloom! Well the truth is somewhere in between. I think that the way we perform is all down to the opposition. If they press us a la Bournemouth we struggle; if they sit back we invariably win. We don't seem to be able to adapt especially when we have a starting line up like last night. As with Gus we choose a line up that is negative and we only start to play when we are chasing the game. I do wish Oscar would take a risk with the line up, but I don't think that will happen. That said, we can still reach the play offs even with team selection that we have experienced up until now. Major Bloodboil

1:15pm Wed 4 Dec 13

bha_till_I_die says...

Without quoting anyone here, I've been to pretty much all the homes games since our fantastic move to the Amex. I sit pretty much behind the Albion bench so get to see the game from OG's persepctive and myself and most of my fellow fans in the area are bemused most games. For me, last night was another display of ' lets sit back and see what the opposition do, and if we are good enough to nick a goal then great but if we conceed then we'll hammer them towards the end of the game'. Why oh why can't we seem to ever put our stamp from the opening whistle and take a game to the oppostion. Last night there were over 25,000 singing albion fans against 181 Barnsely fans. That shoudl have been an amazing atmosphre for our players to feed off and a terrible place to come and play for the opposite team. Sadly we just seem to be either too patient or dare I say it too unaware of what we need to do (as some of us have stated in this thread). I am still judging which camp I am in. All I will say is that although none of us are proven players and managers surely our opinion on getting the likes of LIta, Kemy and Buckley on far earlier hold some water...SURELY !!
Without quoting anyone here, I've been to pretty much all the homes games since our fantastic move to the Amex. I sit pretty much behind the Albion bench so get to see the game from OG's persepctive and myself and most of my fellow fans in the area are bemused most games. For me, last night was another display of ' lets sit back and see what the opposition do, and if we are good enough to nick a goal then great but if we conceed then we'll hammer them towards the end of the game'. Why oh why can't we seem to ever put our stamp from the opening whistle and take a game to the oppostion. Last night there were over 25,000 singing albion fans against 181 Barnsely fans. That shoudl have been an amazing atmosphre for our players to feed off and a terrible place to come and play for the opposite team. Sadly we just seem to be either too patient or dare I say it too unaware of what we need to do (as some of us have stated in this thread). I am still judging which camp I am in. All I will say is that although none of us are proven players and managers surely our opinion on getting the likes of LIta, Kemy and Buckley on far earlier hold some water...SURELY !! bha_till_I_die

2:03pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Eddy B says...

Some excellent posts here, and there seems quite a consensus forming. The management either disagree with the fans on the merits or otherwise of certain players/tactics/form
ations (by playing players we don't rate at a slow tempo in a defensive formation), or they do agree with us but are unable to put into practice the style of football, the footballers, and the results, we want to see (due to restrictions in ability, injuries, motivation, fitness, budget, whatever it may be).
Some excellent posts here, and there seems quite a consensus forming. The management either disagree with the fans on the merits or otherwise of certain players/tactics/form ations (by playing players we don't rate at a slow tempo in a defensive formation), or they do agree with us but are unable to put into practice the style of football, the footballers, and the results, we want to see (due to restrictions in ability, injuries, motivation, fitness, budget, whatever it may be). Eddy B

2:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Neville says...

Lots of posts re new managers such as Allardyce,Holloway and the other usual suspects. The whole academy set up and all the junior teams are set up for the style of play we currently employ so that philosophy won't change and eventually if another manager were to come in it would be with the same directive and style of play,probably another foreign coach. OG needs time and I was as disappointed as anyone last night,felt the team selection was completely wrong and he really now needs to drop Lopez for his and the players sake, he has been woeful for nearly every match. Need Ince and Bridcutt together and for heavens sake lets give Lita a full game.
Lots of posts re new managers such as Allardyce,Holloway and the other usual suspects. The whole academy set up and all the junior teams are set up for the style of play we currently employ so that philosophy won't change and eventually if another manager were to come in it would be with the same directive and style of play,probably another foreign coach. OG needs time and I was as disappointed as anyone last night,felt the team selection was completely wrong and he really now needs to drop Lopez for his and the players sake, he has been woeful for nearly every match. Need Ince and Bridcutt together and for heavens sake lets give Lita a full game. Neville

2:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

bruce beckett says...

Vince wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
When OG was first appointed - it was stated that he would adopt a much more attacking approach - with his teams breaking quickly from defence to attack, rather than the more laboured build up used by GP.

Hooray, we all thought! At last we can be properly entertained with some good attacking play! Then the horrible truth dawns. OG IS REALLY GUS POYET MARK II and PLAYS WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER!!!! What is it about these Spaniards that they all have to try and play the Barcelona way? It's great when the rest of the team are all skilful and capable of intelligent interplay and SCORING GOALS. Unfortunately, not many players in the team he fielded last night are actually capable of scoring goals! Even more glaring was the total lack of creativity and class in the midfield - until of course Kemy Agustien arrived on the scene. He immediately put into perspective our complete lack of a midfield up to that point and the total dross served up by the likes of David Lopez.

I am getting totally bored and frustrated at our lack of ambition at home. Time and again, we have to wait until the last 20 minutes before we at last start to see some fluid attacking and purposeful forward play. How many times over the last 2 and 1/2 seasons have we seen Brighton desperately seeking to retrieve deficits at home in the last quarter of matches - throwing on Lua Lua, Vicente and the like for a frantic blitz? Under Gus I would say we managed about 10 draws from losing positions in the last 10 minutes. We also gave away about 10 winning positions in the last 5 minutes by defending too deep.

The first half last night was almost a total replica of the annoyingly cautious team formations that Gus used last season - and the reason why so many home games were drawn. We all know that that and his over cautious approach in defending a one goal lead in the last 5 minutes was Gus's achilles heel, when automatic promotion should have been a certainty. Quite a few managers (like Paul Ince) said that we were the best team in the Championship last season - and at times we were devastating.

ALL SO NEGATIVE. So much more could be achieved if this overly-cautious approach was discarded and we started games with more attacking team formations - rather than relying on the impact players to retrieve lost causes.

Last night by the time Agustien and Lita were brought on, Barnsley were fighting for their lives, and packing their defence to hold onto their lead. Scoring was always going to be difficult then. But if these two players or Rohan Ince and Will Buckley had started - we could have been looking at total domination a 5-0 win.
Post of the day, Vince. Barnsley must have looked at our teamsheet and said to themselves, "nothing to worry about here then".

To be fair to OG, his hands have been tied with the amount of injuries we've had, particularly to the wide men and strikers.

But I felt last night was the ideal time to pair Barnes and Lita up front with Conway out wide.

Barnsley conceded early and often against Birmingham on Saturday and I thought it was crucial that we got an early goal against them and make them chase the game. Instead, the opposite happened.

21 goals in 18 games says it all. If we concede one, we more than likely lose or draw. Two and we're almost certain to lose.

I know you can only play with the hand your dealt but we should have shown a little more adventure from the start last night.

What a shame that the great result at Wigan has now been erased by an awful home defeat against Barnsley.

But beat the Foxes on Saturday and we'll all be smiling again. That's the great thing about football!
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]When OG was first appointed - it was stated that he would adopt a much more attacking approach - with his teams breaking quickly from defence to attack, rather than the more laboured build up used by GP. Hooray, we all thought! At last we can be properly entertained with some good attacking play! Then the horrible truth dawns. OG IS REALLY GUS POYET MARK II and PLAYS WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER!!!! What is it about these Spaniards that they all have to try and play the Barcelona way? It's great when the rest of the team are all skilful and capable of intelligent interplay and SCORING GOALS. Unfortunately, not many players in the team he fielded last night are actually capable of scoring goals! Even more glaring was the total lack of creativity and class in the midfield - until of course Kemy Agustien arrived on the scene. He immediately put into perspective our complete lack of a midfield up to that point and the total dross served up by the likes of David Lopez. I am getting totally bored and frustrated at our lack of ambition at home. Time and again, we have to wait until the last 20 minutes before we at last start to see some fluid attacking and purposeful forward play. How many times over the last 2 and 1/2 seasons have we seen Brighton desperately seeking to retrieve deficits at home in the last quarter of matches - throwing on Lua Lua, Vicente and the like for a frantic blitz? Under Gus I would say we managed about 10 draws from losing positions in the last 10 minutes. We also gave away about 10 winning positions in the last 5 minutes by defending too deep. The first half last night was almost a total replica of the annoyingly cautious team formations that Gus used last season - and the reason why so many home games were drawn. We all know that that and his over cautious approach in defending a one goal lead in the last 5 minutes was Gus's achilles heel, when automatic promotion should have been a certainty. Quite a few managers (like Paul Ince) said that we were the best team in the Championship last season - and at times we were devastating. ALL SO NEGATIVE. So much more could be achieved if this overly-cautious approach was discarded and we started games with more attacking team formations - rather than relying on the impact players to retrieve lost causes. Last night by the time Agustien and Lita were brought on, Barnsley were fighting for their lives, and packing their defence to hold onto their lead. Scoring was always going to be difficult then. But if these two players or Rohan Ince and Will Buckley had started - we could have been looking at total domination a 5-0 win.[/p][/quote]Post of the day, Vince. Barnsley must have looked at our teamsheet and said to themselves, "nothing to worry about here then". To be fair to OG, his hands have been tied with the amount of injuries we've had, particularly to the wide men and strikers. But I felt last night was the ideal time to pair Barnes and Lita up front with Conway out wide. Barnsley conceded early and often against Birmingham on Saturday and I thought it was crucial that we got an early goal against them and make them chase the game. Instead, the opposite happened. 21 goals in 18 games says it all. If we concede one, we more than likely lose or draw. Two and we're almost certain to lose. I know you can only play with the hand your dealt but we should have shown a little more adventure from the start last night. What a shame that the great result at Wigan has now been erased by an awful home defeat against Barnsley. But beat the Foxes on Saturday and we'll all be smiling again. That's the great thing about football! bruce beckett

3:36pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Albion In Staffs says...

I really can't see why so many are getting up tight about this two-striker thing..
We've just been on an unbeaten run playing the same way and the tone on here was tremendously upbeat - possibly too much so..
But all of a sudden, one bad night and O.G. is "clueless".
Barnsley also played with one recognised striker and their two goals came from midfielders and anyway, one up-front is becoming a fashionable option for many so this 4-4-2 hang up is nonsense.
We should still have had enough about us to beat Barnsley but the truth is we've got a decent first eleven and an average squad.
O.G.wouldn't have seen enough or had enough time to have made wholesale changes in the summer but sometimes you have to stand still a while, before moving forward again....
I really can't see why so many are getting up tight about this two-striker thing.. We've just been on an unbeaten run playing the same way and the tone on here was tremendously upbeat - possibly too much so.. But all of a sudden, one bad night and O.G. is "clueless". Barnsley also played with one recognised striker and their two goals came from midfielders and anyway, one up-front is becoming a fashionable option for many so this 4-4-2 hang up is nonsense. We should still have had enough about us to beat Barnsley but the truth is we've got a decent first eleven and an average squad. O.G.wouldn't have seen enough or had enough time to have made wholesale changes in the summer but sometimes you have to stand still a while, before moving forward again.... Albion In Staffs

3:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

bruce beckett says...

No one said OG is clueless. Only that he promised attacking football but continues to play with one striker, even against the bottom team in the division. Then he not only leaves Lita on the bench until the 82nd minute but subs him for another striker.

I'll tell you who is clueless...the morons who come on here and give minus marks for people making constructive criticism.

I'm done with this site.
No one said OG is clueless. Only that he promised attacking football but continues to play with one striker, even against the bottom team in the division. Then he not only leaves Lita on the bench until the 82nd minute but subs him for another striker. I'll tell you who is clueless...the morons who come on here and give minus marks for people making constructive criticism. I'm done with this site. bruce beckett

4:21pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Albion In Staffs says...

bruce beckett wrote:
No one said OG is clueless. Only that he promised attacking football but continues to play with one striker, even against the bottom team in the division. Then he not only leaves Lita on the bench until the 82nd minute but subs him for another striker.

I'll tell you who is clueless...the morons who come on here and give minus marks for people making constructive criticism.

I'm done with this site.
You can still play attacking football with only one 'striker'. we had Conway and Lopez in there last night. Their respective form is irrelevant to the point. Like i said 4-4-2 hang ups almost everywhere you look.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: No one said OG is clueless. Only that he promised attacking football but continues to play with one striker, even against the bottom team in the division. Then he not only leaves Lita on the bench until the 82nd minute but subs him for another striker. I'll tell you who is clueless...the morons who come on here and give minus marks for people making constructive criticism. I'm done with this site.[/p][/quote]You can still play attacking football with only one 'striker'. we had Conway and Lopez in there last night. Their respective form is irrelevant to the point. Like i said 4-4-2 hang ups almost everywhere you look. Albion In Staffs

4:24pm Wed 4 Dec 13

lowerbeedingseagull says...

Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser?

Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks.

This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.
Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser? Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks. This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches. lowerbeedingseagull

4:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Albion In Staffs says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser?

Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks.

This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.
With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes.
BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!!
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser? Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks. This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.[/p][/quote]With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes. BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!! Albion In Staffs

5:10pm Wed 4 Dec 13

wiseman of hove says...

Oscar's apparent view of Lita when he signed?
"Strong, fast and direct and he has shown he can score goals in the Championship".
So Oscar decides to barely play him since the signing, other than for a few token minutes. Surely he starts on Saturday?
Oscar's apparent view of Lita when he signed? "Strong, fast and direct and he has shown he can score goals in the Championship". So Oscar decides to barely play him since the signing, other than for a few token minutes. Surely he starts on Saturday? wiseman of hove

5:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

At this level you cannot succeed without an experienced manager. It's no league for trainee, wannabee managers.
What about Martin Jol?
At this level you cannot succeed without an experienced manager. It's no league for trainee, wannabee managers. What about Martin Jol? sussexram40

5:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

saraman says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!!
I know like you Tommy that I will get roasted for this. When I saw the team sheet I thought to myself ''Good grief, how much more negative can the starting eleven be against the rock bottom side that has been shipping goals by the shedload'' Within 10 minutes of the start it was painfully obvious that the game was lost. I'm not saying that this result has totally wrecked our play-off aspirations but what should have been a dead cert win would have brought us a bit closer to it. I'm so gutted that it has taken until now to read or write anything Albion. No, I'm not a fair weather supporter but a dyed in the blue and white wool supporter who has never had so much post match depression. Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night. I shall be there on Saturday with ''great expectations'' for an Albion win. And they are just as likely to get it.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry to say that this is the first time that i,m starting to have doubts about our management. I have always backed Oscar, he wants to do well and he seems like a very down to earth good guy. However, I thought he seemed & looked totally clueless tonight. For starters the team - when I heard the team sheet I knew he made several key mistakes. The JFC and Lopez midfield has got to stop. Now. It's not working. Both have been playing terrible these last few weeks. I know JFC has scored a couple, but still he is not been playing well. He needs to get out of the team. Also, he replaced Calde again with the exceedingly hopeless Bruno - a player who is lucky to be in a professional football shirt with his lackluster displays. Get him out now please Oscar! Ince should have played, and there were a number of fit again players who could have played in the middle - Kemy, Andrews etc. Oscar simply played the wrong team - and it was his fault. Lita also needs to be given a chance!!! Maybe 2 upfront Oscar????? could we please dare??? I don't see that Oscar is really changing anything, and this concerns me. Its still the Gus way, with a few tweaks and its not working! He also needs to start showing a bit of emotion in the dug out - not just standing there looking gormless!! Jones is also looking like a fish out of water too........ I know i will get roasted for saying this, but sometimes I do think I would love to see someone like Holloway in the dug out - a man that knows what he is doing!!!![/p][/quote]I know like you Tommy that I will get roasted for this. When I saw the team sheet I thought to myself ''Good grief, how much more negative can the starting eleven be against the rock bottom side that has been shipping goals by the shedload'' Within 10 minutes of the start it was painfully obvious that the game was lost. I'm not saying that this result has totally wrecked our play-off aspirations but what should have been a dead cert win would have brought us a bit closer to it. I'm so gutted that it has taken until now to read or write anything Albion. No, I'm not a fair weather supporter but a dyed in the blue and white wool supporter who has never had so much post match depression. Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night. I shall be there on Saturday with ''great expectations'' for an Albion win. And they are just as likely to get it. saraman

5:42pm Wed 4 Dec 13

lowerbeedingseagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser?

Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks.

This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.
With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes.
BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!!
Of course it's relevant. If you make NO effort to score in 50% of a game which happens too often especially last night then you will never win a game comfortably.If the opposition score first which they often do and then take all the pace out of the game you can't blame them. Surely it's better to strike first?

I would not presume upon you to do it for me although it seems i'm now your mate. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser? Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks. This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.[/p][/quote]With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes. BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!![/p][/quote]Of course it's relevant. If you make NO effort to score in 50% of a game which happens too often especially last night then you will never win a game comfortably.If the opposition score first which they often do and then take all the pace out of the game you can't blame them. Surely it's better to strike first? I would not presume upon you to do it for me although it seems i'm now your mate. Thank you. lowerbeedingseagull

6:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics.
Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them.
It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began.
Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are.
I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT
OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT
The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics. Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them. It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began. Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are. I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT sussexram40

6:02pm Wed 4 Dec 13

lowerbeedingseagull says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser?

Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks.

This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.
With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes.
BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!!
Of course it's relevant. If you make NO effort to score in 50% of a game which happens too often especially last night then you will never win a game comfortably.If the opposition score first which they often do and then take all the pace out of the game you can't blame them. Surely it's better to strike first?

I would not presume upon you to do it for me although it seems i'm now your mate. Thank you.
MATE, you were wrong, it took me 10 minutes but i'm not a computer expert so i'll try to improve!! I have now wrecked Vegas' afternoon in the desert!!

Albion have scored 6 first half goals in 18 fixtures which i do believe is relevant as it's a poor return so leaves us chasing too many games which we would dominate if we were more positive from the start.

If you were there last night( were you?) you will have seen that our first effort on or off target was in the 22nd minute after about 80% of the possession. Not really up to standard,is it?
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser? Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks. This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.[/p][/quote]With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes. BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!![/p][/quote]Of course it's relevant. If you make NO effort to score in 50% of a game which happens too often especially last night then you will never win a game comfortably.If the opposition score first which they often do and then take all the pace out of the game you can't blame them. Surely it's better to strike first? I would not presume upon you to do it for me although it seems i'm now your mate. Thank you.[/p][/quote]MATE, you were wrong, it took me 10 minutes but i'm not a computer expert so i'll try to improve!! I have now wrecked Vegas' afternoon in the desert!! Albion have scored 6 first half goals in 18 fixtures which i do believe is relevant as it's a poor return so leaves us chasing too many games which we would dominate if we were more positive from the start. If you were there last night( were you?) you will have seen that our first effort on or off target was in the 22nd minute after about 80% of the possession. Not really up to standard,is it? lowerbeedingseagull

6:03pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

Comemnt of the day from saraman -

" Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night."

A great analysis of the devastation and abject failure and ineptitude that was last night at the Amex. Seasons hang on matches like that. We feel off the shelf.

How long will it take the players and fans to recover from such a shocking and frankly embarrassing display.
Comemnt of the day from saraman - " Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night." A great analysis of the devastation and abject failure and ineptitude that was last night at the Amex. Seasons hang on matches like that. We feel off the shelf. How long will it take the players and fans to recover from such a shocking and frankly embarrassing display. sussexram40

6:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now.

The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he.

It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes.

Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.
The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now. The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he. It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes. Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted. VegasSeagull

6:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

falmer seagull says...

We need a creative midfielder which has always been missing except the odd occasion when Vicente actually played. Kemi has vision but the only player who will take people on is Solly March, get him in the team, not on the bench! The answer is under Oscar's nose, but he cannot see it! Here's hoping for Saturday.
We need a creative midfielder which has always been missing except the odd occasion when Vicente actually played. Kemi has vision but the only player who will take people on is Solly March, get him in the team, not on the bench! The answer is under Oscar's nose, but he cannot see it! Here's hoping for Saturday. falmer seagull

6:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

Is the answer to dock the players a weeks wages
Is the answer to dock the players a weeks wages sussexram40

7:01pm Wed 4 Dec 13

brightonup says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Comemnt of the day from saraman -

" Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night."

A great analysis of the devastation and abject failure and ineptitude that was last night at the Amex. Seasons hang on matches like that. We feel off the shelf.

How long will it take the players and fans to recover from such a shocking and frankly embarrassing display.
Comemnt?

You really are stupid beyond belief, aren't you.....
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Comemnt of the day from saraman - " Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night." A great analysis of the devastation and abject failure and ineptitude that was last night at the Amex. Seasons hang on matches like that. We feel off the shelf. How long will it take the players and fans to recover from such a shocking and frankly embarrassing display.[/p][/quote]Comemnt? You really are stupid beyond belief, aren't you..... brightonup

7:03pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Albion In Staffs says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser?

Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks.

This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.
With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes.
BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!!
Of course it's relevant. If you make NO effort to score in 50% of a game which happens too often especially last night then you will never win a game comfortably.If the opposition score first which they often do and then take all the pace out of the game you can't blame them. Surely it's better to strike first?

I would not presume upon you to do it for me although it seems i'm now your mate. Thank you.
MATE, you were wrong, it took me 10 minutes but i'm not a computer expert so i'll try to improve!! I have now wrecked Vegas' afternoon in the desert!!

Albion have scored 6 first half goals in 18 fixtures which i do believe is relevant as it's a poor return so leaves us chasing too many games which we would dominate if we were more positive from the start.

If you were there last night( were you?) you will have seen that our first effort on or off target was in the 22nd minute after about 80% of the possession. Not really up to standard,is it?
Congratulations on completing your homework without the need for asking teacher. 'Mate' by the way, was a (clearly unfortunate) figure of speech..
Any way the clue to my presence last night might be in my title, which is why I haven't made direct comment about the performance.
Seriously, given the stats, your point is a fair one, but i still think it's a deeper issue than that. From a squad perspective, we're not quite good enough to compete in the top six.
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: Nothing at all on here from Vegas about last night which surprises me as he is so active usually.Everyone knows he is always keen on stats and loves a bit of investigation so could he help me out with this little poser? Of the 21 goals Brighton have scored this season in The Championship this season, how many have come in the first half? Thanks. This seems one of our major problems as we seem happy to play 45 minute matches.[/p][/quote]With respect mate, why do you need someone else to answer that? A little bit of investigation on the internet and you'd have your answer in five minutes. BTW. Don't ask me to do it as I think it's irrelevant!!!![/p][/quote]Of course it's relevant. If you make NO effort to score in 50% of a game which happens too often especially last night then you will never win a game comfortably.If the opposition score first which they often do and then take all the pace out of the game you can't blame them. Surely it's better to strike first? I would not presume upon you to do it for me although it seems i'm now your mate. Thank you.[/p][/quote]MATE, you were wrong, it took me 10 minutes but i'm not a computer expert so i'll try to improve!! I have now wrecked Vegas' afternoon in the desert!! Albion have scored 6 first half goals in 18 fixtures which i do believe is relevant as it's a poor return so leaves us chasing too many games which we would dominate if we were more positive from the start. If you were there last night( were you?) you will have seen that our first effort on or off target was in the 22nd minute after about 80% of the possession. Not really up to standard,is it?[/p][/quote]Congratulations on completing your homework without the need for asking teacher. 'Mate' by the way, was a (clearly unfortunate) figure of speech.. Any way the clue to my presence last night might be in my title, which is why I haven't made direct comment about the performance. Seriously, given the stats, your point is a fair one, but i still think it's a deeper issue than that. From a squad perspective, we're not quite good enough to compete in the top six. Albion In Staffs

7:05pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Albion In Staffs says...

sussexram40 wrote:
The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics.
Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them.
It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began.
Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are.
I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT
OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT
It's not FACT it's your opinion....
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics. Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them. It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began. Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are. I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT[/p][/quote]It's not FACT it's your opinion.... Albion In Staffs

7:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Falmer Wizard says...

On paper the last two games should have given us six points, yet only a goal out of the blue by Barnes resulted in a solitary point,it appears that Oscar has found Gus`s game/subs plan.
We need to play attacking football at the Amex, taking the game to our opponents from the start,if we have been entertained we can forgive lost points,the one man approach should be saved for away matches which would result in us staying above the half way line in the league.
I am not blaming the manager,the club are unable to provide the cash required and i am sure that he will improve,agreed at present he is not up to Premiership standard which is the same for our team,given a choice of entertaining Championship football or being in Palaces shoes i think i know
which will keep the crowds coming through the turnstiles.
On paper the last two games should have given us six points, yet only a goal out of the blue by Barnes resulted in a solitary point,it appears that Oscar has found Gus`s game/subs plan. We need to play attacking football at the Amex, taking the game to our opponents from the start,if we have been entertained we can forgive lost points,the one man approach should be saved for away matches which would result in us staying above the half way line in the league. I am not blaming the manager,the club are unable to provide the cash required and i am sure that he will improve,agreed at present he is not up to Premiership standard which is the same for our team,given a choice of entertaining Championship football or being in Palaces shoes i think i know which will keep the crowds coming through the turnstiles. Falmer Wizard

7:40pm Wed 4 Dec 13

albion64 says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.
Pulis wont keep the scum up with 10 points!! Their best back in the championship(or more suitably div 2) with that crumbling relic of a stadium anyway. It makes the Withdean look like Wembley. Dark days my arse. There are exciting times ahead. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Heading home I analysed what went wrong, really the seeds of this defeat and indeed season and our future were sown in the summer when bloom flatly refused to sign up quality players. Last season was a golden chance to reach the premier league, instead we blew it, success has always been hard to come by at Albion and Im afraid the clubs policy has condemned us to languish in the situation we're currently in. I said months ago that Oscar isn't up to it, he is an accident waiting to happen and Blooms cheapskate approach to recruiting has been found out again. There is a plethora of managers out there right now who would do a better job, what a chance to cherry pick a proven candidate. Sam Allardyce is edging closer to the trap door at west ham after last night, let's steal a march and secure him right now before anyone else. We could have nabbed Pulis, he was out of work, but no nothing was done. And to add insult to injury, flipping palace only go and win and now it looks like Pulis may well keep them up after all that. Dark days for the Albion, only a change in personnel at every level at the club and a big January spending spree will steer this ship away from the rocks.[/p][/quote]Pulis wont keep the scum up with 10 points!! Their best back in the championship(or more suitably div 2) with that crumbling relic of a stadium anyway. It makes the Withdean look like Wembley. Dark days my arse. There are exciting times ahead. UTA albion64

7:50pm Wed 4 Dec 13

albion64 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics.
Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them.
It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began.
Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are.
I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT
OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT
It's not FACT it's your opinion....
Gus Poyet f*ucked the Albion over, FACT. He wasted no time in prostituting himself to other clubs last season, then behaved like a spoilt child when we needed him most. FACT. You call that good management?!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics. Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them. It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began. Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are. I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT[/p][/quote]It's not FACT it's your opinion....[/p][/quote]Gus Poyet f*ucked the Albion over, FACT. He wasted no time in prostituting himself to other clubs last season, then behaved like a spoilt child when we needed him most. FACT. You call that good management?!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! albion64

7:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Peter Maurice says...

Having seen last nights disastrous display at the Amex,I was struck by the lack of passion of Oscar Garcia,whose title says it all Head Coach-not manager. I sat 4 rows back from the dugout and never ONCE did I see Garcia show any passion or emotion .Think of Sir Alex,Cloughie,Sam Allardyce,Bill Shankley and yes Gus Poyet ,just to name a few managers who showed plenty of passion,thats what the fans want,someone who at least can rally the players to give their utmost and get the crowd cheering.Sorry to say Oscar is not that man
Having seen last nights disastrous display at the Amex,I was struck by the lack of passion of Oscar Garcia,whose title says it all Head Coach-not manager. I sat 4 rows back from the dugout and never ONCE did I see Garcia show any passion or emotion .Think of Sir Alex,Cloughie,Sam Allardyce,Bill Shankley and yes Gus Poyet ,just to name a few managers who showed plenty of passion,thats what the fans want,someone who at least can rally the players to give their utmost and get the crowd cheering.Sorry to say Oscar is not that man Peter Maurice

8:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Far gull says...

Peter Maurice wrote:
Having seen last nights disastrous display at the Amex,I was struck by the lack of passion of Oscar Garcia,whose title says it all Head Coach-not manager. I sat 4 rows back from the dugout and never ONCE did I see Garcia show any passion or emotion .Think of Sir Alex,Cloughie,Sam Allardyce,Bill Shankley and yes Gus Poyet ,just to name a few managers who showed plenty of passion,thats what the fans want,someone who at least can rally the players to give their utmost and get the crowd cheering.Sorry to say Oscar is not that man
fair comment ,teams do reflect their manager,our team sure did against Palace in the play off semi!!
[quote][p][bold]Peter Maurice[/bold] wrote: Having seen last nights disastrous display at the Amex,I was struck by the lack of passion of Oscar Garcia,whose title says it all Head Coach-not manager. I sat 4 rows back from the dugout and never ONCE did I see Garcia show any passion or emotion .Think of Sir Alex,Cloughie,Sam Allardyce,Bill Shankley and yes Gus Poyet ,just to name a few managers who showed plenty of passion,thats what the fans want,someone who at least can rally the players to give their utmost and get the crowd cheering.Sorry to say Oscar is not that man[/p][/quote]fair comment ,teams do reflect their manager,our team sure did against Palace in the play off semi!! Far gull

8:15pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Far gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now.

The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he.

It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes.

Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.
One night to definately be in America. Trust me.
Oscar is taking the flak and rightly so ,but nathan must,having been part of the Chalton set up last year( and they were one of if not the best team to play at amex last season) surely he must have a passion and in put. he spent the whole evening pretty much stood next to oscar.!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now. The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he. It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes. Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.[/p][/quote]One night to definately be in America. Trust me. Oscar is taking the flak and rightly so ,but nathan must,having been part of the Chalton set up last year( and they were one of if not the best team to play at amex last season) surely he must have a passion and in put. he spent the whole evening pretty much stood next to oscar.! Far gull

8:19pm Wed 4 Dec 13

OldGull says...

sussexram40 wrote:
At this level you cannot succeed without an experienced manager. It's no league for trainee, wannabee managers.
What about Martin Jol?
what about Martin Jol?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: At this level you cannot succeed without an experienced manager. It's no league for trainee, wannabee managers. What about Martin Jol?[/p][/quote]what about Martin Jol? OldGull

8:30pm Wed 4 Dec 13

fratsomrover says...

I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night.
When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back.
What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none.
It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well.
OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time.
Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.
I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night. When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back. What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none. It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well. OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time. Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack. fratsomrover

8:33pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ringtone says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics.
Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them.
It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began.
Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are.
I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT
OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT
It's not FACT it's your opinion....
Why do you want to keep him?

Cos he is a nice man who helps old ladies across the road.

Grow up.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics. Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them. It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began. Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are. I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT[/p][/quote]It's not FACT it's your opinion....[/p][/quote]Why do you want to keep him? Cos he is a nice man who helps old ladies across the road. Grow up. UTA ringtone

8:45pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Comemnt of the day from saraman -

" Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night."

A great analysis of the devastation and abject failure and ineptitude that was last night at the Amex. Seasons hang on matches like that. We feel off the shelf.

How long will it take the players and fans to recover from such a shocking and frankly embarrassing display.
Comemnt?

You really are stupid beyond belief, aren't you.....
Where is your contribution, nowhere i see.

Maybe just pointing out spelling mistakes and bad grammar.

By the way are you any relation to the the late James Hunt?
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Comemnt of the day from saraman - " Even the Palace play-off debacle fades into insignificance after last night." A great analysis of the devastation and abject failure and ineptitude that was last night at the Amex. Seasons hang on matches like that. We feel off the shelf. How long will it take the players and fans to recover from such a shocking and frankly embarrassing display.[/p][/quote]Comemnt? You really are stupid beyond belief, aren't you.....[/p][/quote]Where is your contribution, nowhere i see. Maybe just pointing out spelling mistakes and bad grammar. By the way are you any relation to the the late James Hunt? ringtone

9:06pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Brighton Bill says...

A shameful performance by our boys and Oscar you are to blame, the line up was all wrong, the tactics were all wrong, and even the substitutions were all wrong, we play far too deep, we should be having two up at least at home, we signed Lita because he scores goals, why don't we bloody well play him from the start, if it is not working for him then sub him and try something else.but let's try him.The brilliant win at Wigan has been completly wasted by a negative Manager. I am really pi**ed off, 52 Years of watching this crap I must be bloody mad.Yorkshire Bill of Radio Sussex fame.
A shameful performance by our boys and Oscar you are to blame, the line up was all wrong, the tactics were all wrong, and even the substitutions were all wrong, we play far too deep, we should be having two up at least at home, we signed Lita because he scores goals, why don't we bloody well play him from the start, if it is not working for him then sub him and try something else.but let's try him.The brilliant win at Wigan has been completly wasted by a negative Manager. I am really pi**ed off, 52 Years of watching this crap I must be bloody mad.Yorkshire Bill of Radio Sussex fame. Brighton Bill

9:07pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now.

The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he.

It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes.

Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.
You aint really from Vegas are you?

My suspicions started when you said it was hard to get a bet on the Albion to beat wigan in Vegas, well of course it would be.

Your clever nickname aludes you an air of mystique which you abuse to inflict your inane keyboard diarrhea on the good folk who follow Brighton and Hove Albion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now. The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he. It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes. Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.[/p][/quote]You aint really from Vegas are you? My suspicions started when you said it was hard to get a bet on the Albion to beat wigan in Vegas, well of course it would be. Your clever nickname aludes you an air of mystique which you abuse to inflict your inane keyboard diarrhea on the good folk who follow Brighton and Hove Albion. ringtone

9:41pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Clean Sheet says...

Why do people swing from such highs to lows? OG has done a fantastic job so far with very limited resources due to the injury problems. Now we have some players coming back, I think there is a degree of disruption, as the team had learnt to play a certain way, with the available resources. We might see a couple of weeks blip as the revised team gells. I for one am confident of maintaining our progress up the table. These blips will happen I'm afraid.
Why do people swing from such highs to lows? OG has done a fantastic job so far with very limited resources due to the injury problems. Now we have some players coming back, I think there is a degree of disruption, as the team had learnt to play a certain way, with the available resources. We might see a couple of weeks blip as the revised team gells. I for one am confident of maintaining our progress up the table. These blips will happen I'm afraid. Clean Sheet

9:55pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

I saw a few bad performances under Gus, and now I've seen one under Oscar.
Anyone citing this as the worst Albion performance they have seen either has a short memory or hasn't seen many games.
I was disappointed by the performance but more disappointed to hear boo's from some of our "support".
I saw a few bad performances under Gus, and now I've seen one under Oscar. Anyone citing this as the worst Albion performance they have seen either has a short memory or hasn't seen many games. I was disappointed by the performance but more disappointed to hear boo's from some of our "support". Baldseagull

10:05pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Tony Mowbray is still looking for a job.
Tony Mowbray is still looking for a job. Thewithdeanyears

10:34pm Wed 4 Dec 13

championshipgull says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Tony Mowbray is still looking for a job.
He’ll have less chance of saving you from relegation than Pulis and Pulis has no chance.
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Tony Mowbray is still looking for a job.[/p][/quote]He’ll have less chance of saving you from relegation than Pulis and Pulis has no chance. championshipgull

10:38pm Wed 4 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now.

The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he.

It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes.

Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.
You aint really from Vegas are you?

My suspicions started when you said it was hard to get a bet on the Albion to beat wigan in Vegas, well of course it would be.

Your clever nickname aludes you an air of mystique which you abuse to inflict your inane keyboard diarrhea on the good folk who follow Brighton and Hove Albion.
No I am not from Vegas, I am from Brighton, you got me.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The talk of replacing Oscar at this time is just silly, it aint gonna happen, could it happen at some point down the road, of course it could but not now. The starting line up did look a tad defensive, especially considering who we were looking to beat but we should not our returning players to just jump straight back into the fray. Most of our subs were returning from injury, and as with any returnee, they are eased back into the fold, Bridcutt didn't come straight back in did he. It was a bad result from a bad performance delivered by a too cautious approach, too cautious from both players and manager. With a little luck Oscar will have called all the players in today so that they could watch the video of the match, a time for Oscar, and the players, to admit to their own mistakes. Oscar maybe should have started with two strikers, we were after all playing at home against the bottom team who have leaked goals, but he didn't. This possible error on his part does not excuse the poor performance of those he did select to start. If the starting eleven take 45 minutes to get going then something is wrong with the starting eleven, Oscar needs to get this sorted.[/p][/quote]You aint really from Vegas are you? My suspicions started when you said it was hard to get a bet on the Albion to beat wigan in Vegas, well of course it would be. Your clever nickname aludes you an air of mystique which you abuse to inflict your inane keyboard diarrhea on the good folk who follow Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]No I am not from Vegas, I am from Brighton, you got me. VegasSeagull

10:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Hove at last says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night.
When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back.
What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none.
It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well.
OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time.
Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.
If you think that's the worst 45 minutes you have seen you must be a JCL
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night. When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back. What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none. It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well. OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time. Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.[/p][/quote]If you think that's the worst 45 minutes you have seen you must be a JCL Hove at last

11:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

It was a bad 55 mins. I can only mirror what others have said. Ince on from the start please; only seen him have 1 bad game. Bridders on with Ince or give Bridcutt a bit more time out. Don't simply change an unbeaten team because we suddenly have players back, you have to earn your place. For the Leicester game I would show intent.
Kuz
Calde upson Greer Ward
Bridders
Crofts Ince Augustien
Buckers Lita Conway

Subs: Barnes Jfc Ulloa Bruno March Lopez
It was a bad 55 mins. I can only mirror what others have said. Ince on from the start please; only seen him have 1 bad game. Bridders on with Ince or give Bridcutt a bit more time out. Don't simply change an unbeaten team because we suddenly have players back, you have to earn your place. For the Leicester game I would show intent. Kuz Calde upson Greer Ward Bridders Crofts Ince Augustien Buckers Lita Conway Subs: Barnes Jfc Ulloa Bruno March Lopez bbb1969

12:06am Thu 5 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

Sorry meant to say CrOfts with either Ince or Augustien with the other replacing Lopez if Ulloa not fit. We may need a sub goalie but I would probably replace March or risk it. We could try to play with 12 but may get spotted. Strong midfield with pacey wingers as I know we will only play 1 true forward. Drop Lopez and give him time to reflect.
Sorry meant to say CrOfts with either Ince or Augustien with the other replacing Lopez if Ulloa not fit. We may need a sub goalie but I would probably replace March or risk it. We could try to play with 12 but may get spotted. Strong midfield with pacey wingers as I know we will only play 1 true forward. Drop Lopez and give him time to reflect. bbb1969

5:10am Thu 5 Dec 13

Albion In Staffs says...

ringtone wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics.
Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them.
It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began.
Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are.
I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT
OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT
It's not FACT it's your opinion....
Why do you want to keep him?

Cos he is a nice man who helps old ladies across the road.

Grow up.

UTA
Because he's just lost his first game in 7 and has been in the job 5 minutes..
As others have said, talk of change is ludicrous.
Don't be late for school..
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The fans after the game last night (those who stayed to the bitter end) were almost universally dismayed at Oscar and his selections and tactics. Even the mormally supportive JC and Johnny Burn on Radio Sussex were having to agree with them. It was a grim grim night and could come to be viewed as the night that Oscar's fall began. Problem is the trolls on here will keep saying Oscar is right and Oscar is the man - right up to the day he is sacked. Then all of a sudden they will start saying he was no good and say the new man is better. That's the fickle way some people are. I say it straight. GP was a good manager. OG is not. FACT OG will not be in charge this time next year. FACT[/p][/quote]It's not FACT it's your opinion....[/p][/quote]Why do you want to keep him? Cos he is a nice man who helps old ladies across the road. Grow up. UTA[/p][/quote]Because he's just lost his first game in 7 and has been in the job 5 minutes.. As others have said, talk of change is ludicrous. Don't be late for school.. Albion In Staffs

7:33am Thu 5 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

If you told me where e would be in the first week of December at the start of the season knowing how many players injured, then I would have taken it. OG has done well; we have road our luck in some games and dominated others. I want the play offs like most and do hate it when we start a game negative but with evidence on how Og likes to play I can safely say he did not ask the players to sit deep. This changed at half time but conceded a silly second goal. Buckleyhad 1 on 1 with the keeper and you would bet on him to score evertine and we had a couple of chances. Yes I do think OG but I did not also expect to be singing Augustiens praises either as I and others on here have been pretty mean about his fitness; but he is ours. Looking forward to a good game Saturday, some fresh changes from OG and both teams going for it as both lpst to bottom of the league managerless sides. A lot of pride at stake and we are at home. Uta
If you told me where e would be in the first week of December at the start of the season knowing how many players injured, then I would have taken it. OG has done well; we have road our luck in some games and dominated others. I want the play offs like most and do hate it when we start a game negative but with evidence on how Og likes to play I can safely say he did not ask the players to sit deep. This changed at half time but conceded a silly second goal. Buckleyhad 1 on 1 with the keeper and you would bet on him to score evertine and we had a couple of chances. Yes I do think OG but I did not also expect to be singing Augustiens praises either as I and others on here have been pretty mean about his fitness; but he is ours. Looking forward to a good game Saturday, some fresh changes from OG and both teams going for it as both lpst to bottom of the league managerless sides. A lot of pride at stake and we are at home. Uta bbb1969

8:32am Thu 5 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

bbb1969 wrote:
It was a bad 55 mins. I can only mirror what others have said. Ince on from the start please; only seen him have 1 bad game. Bridders on with Ince or give Bridcutt a bit more time out. Don't simply change an unbeaten team because we suddenly have players back, you have to earn your place. For the Leicester game I would show intent.
Kuz
Calde upson Greer Ward
Bridders
Crofts Ince Augustien
Buckers Lita Conway

Subs: Barnes Jfc Ulloa Bruno March Lopez
Ince couldn't do 90 mins on Saturday so it would have been a mistake to start him on Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: It was a bad 55 mins. I can only mirror what others have said. Ince on from the start please; only seen him have 1 bad game. Bridders on with Ince or give Bridcutt a bit more time out. Don't simply change an unbeaten team because we suddenly have players back, you have to earn your place. For the Leicester game I would show intent. Kuz Calde upson Greer Ward Bridders Crofts Ince Augustien Buckers Lita Conway Subs: Barnes Jfc Ulloa Bruno March Lopez[/p][/quote]Ince couldn't do 90 mins on Saturday so it would have been a mistake to start him on Tuesday. Baldseagull

11:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

tug509 says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night.
When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back.
What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none.
It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well.
OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time.
Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.
Excellent post ,must surely echo most of our supporters thoughts imho. UTA
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night. When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back. What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none. It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well. OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time. Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.[/p][/quote]Excellent post ,must surely echo most of our supporters thoughts imho. UTA tug509

12:11pm Thu 5 Dec 13

mikeymeager says...

OldGull wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
At this level you cannot succeed without an experienced manager. It's no league for trainee, wannabee managers.
What about Martin Jol?
what about Martin Jol?
Martin Jol.........you must be joking!! If it comes to changing the manager we want one of proven success.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: At this level you cannot succeed without an experienced manager. It's no league for trainee, wannabee managers. What about Martin Jol?[/p][/quote]what about Martin Jol?[/p][/quote]Martin Jol.........you must be joking!! If it comes to changing the manager we want one of proven success. mikeymeager

2:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

A name that hasn't been mentioned and I'm not advocating him - but Di Canio wouldn't have tolerated the sort of dreadful performance we had on Saturday.

Nigel Clough? Avram Grant? Holloway is ruled out because of his Palarse connection.

Oh and David Moyes may be available soon.
A name that hasn't been mentioned and I'm not advocating him - but Di Canio wouldn't have tolerated the sort of dreadful performance we had on Saturday. Nigel Clough? Avram Grant? Holloway is ruled out because of his Palarse connection. Oh and David Moyes may be available soon. sussexram40

3:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Hammershead says...

It was a poor performance and although I am not about to jump on the "Oscar out" bandwagon, I was disapointed with the negative line up and even more so with the Substitution of a forward for a Midfielder with 10 mins to go and at 1-2 down.
However lets not get carried away. Some good results leading up to that.
As for the Lita comments, I really can;t see him starting. In fact I wouldnt be suprised if that is the last we see of him if Ulloa is back. OG obviously doesn't rate him and with the injuries starting to clear up I doubt he will be used much at all
It was a poor performance and although I am not about to jump on the "Oscar out" bandwagon, I was disapointed with the negative line up and even more so with the Substitution of a forward for a Midfielder with 10 mins to go and at 1-2 down. However lets not get carried away. Some good results leading up to that. As for the Lita comments, I really can;t see him starting. In fact I wouldnt be suprised if that is the last we see of him if Ulloa is back. OG obviously doesn't rate him and with the injuries starting to clear up I doubt he will be used much at all Hammershead

4:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

tonypulis says...

championshipgull wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Tony Mowbray is still looking for a job.
He’ll have less chance of saving you from relegation than Pulis and Pulis has no chance.
I beg to differ.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Tony Mowbray is still looking for a job.[/p][/quote]He’ll have less chance of saving you from relegation than Pulis and Pulis has no chance.[/p][/quote]I beg to differ. tonypulis

4:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

sussexram40 wrote:
A name that hasn't been mentioned and I'm not advocating him - but Di Canio wouldn't have tolerated the sort of dreadful performance we had on Saturday.

Nigel Clough? Avram Grant? Holloway is ruled out because of his Palarse connection.

Oh and David Moyes may be available soon.
Who's to say OG will tolerate the first hour of the Barnsley match? Di Canio oversaw far worse performances than that when in charge of Sunderland and would have had many more at Brighton than OG. And the last thing the club needs is a mass player revolt against a fascist dictator of a manager. OG is here to stay, and thank goodness for that.

Oh, and Moyes will almost certainly last until well into next season. Man Utd may be the reigning champions but their current squad is very poor in comparison with their main rivals - he will need to rebuild extensively.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: A name that hasn't been mentioned and I'm not advocating him - but Di Canio wouldn't have tolerated the sort of dreadful performance we had on Saturday. Nigel Clough? Avram Grant? Holloway is ruled out because of his Palarse connection. Oh and David Moyes may be available soon.[/p][/quote]Who's to say OG will tolerate the first hour of the Barnsley match? Di Canio oversaw far worse performances than that when in charge of Sunderland and would have had many more at Brighton than OG. And the last thing the club needs is a mass player revolt against a fascist dictator of a manager. OG is here to stay, and thank goodness for that. Oh, and Moyes will almost certainly last until well into next season. Man Utd may be the reigning champions but their current squad is very poor in comparison with their main rivals - he will need to rebuild extensively. Ex-pat Arnie

6:16pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Vince says...

tug509 wrote:
fratsomrover wrote: I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night. When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back. What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none. It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well. OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time. Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.
Excellent post ,must surely echo most of our supporters thoughts imho. UTA
Agree with all comments - except Bruno. Whilst I have not been a fan of his for a long time and feel he has defensive weaknesses as well as a tendency to misplace passes, he has shown some improvement in recent matches and some of his forward movement has been very good, including a defence splitting pass which set Buckley up for what should have been the equaliser. Furthermore he has more speed and vision than the other defenders.

No mention was made of Agustien - who in my opinion oozed class from the moment he came onto the field - and was the best player on view by a long mile.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I've waited 24 hours before posting so as not to go too overboard about last nights dismal performance. It was appalling and probably the most inept first 45 mins I've ever watched. Although I could go on about the lack of ability of certain players, I have to say that it was our tactics that sowed the seeds of the problems last night. When you are playing the team that are bottom of the table, just sacked their manager and with a massive negative goal difference, you attack them from the off. When a team is so low in confidence, you give them no time to settle, you harass their back line, you push you midfielders forward, you give them no time on the ball. You force them to clear the ball long to their outnumbered striker so we get possession back. What did we do. We played Barnes up front on his own, dropped Lopez and Conway back alongside Croft & Co and gave their back line time to play the ball out. The longer that first half went on, the more you could see their confidence growing. We gave them belief, when there should have been none. It was an astoundingly negative approach against a poor side. Barnes's limitations are well documented and just like one swallow doesn't make a summer, one good strike against Bournemouth doesn't make him a centre forward. Lopez has lost the ability to take on and beat defenders and should never be picked above Buckley. Conway alone, offered the only threat, which is no real surprise as he was the only player with a turn of pace. Why didn't we start with Buckley and Conway out wide to stretch the defence and have Lita or even Lita and Barnes as a double spearhead. They were poor and man for man, had no body better than we had, but they were allowed to grow in confidence and actually took their chances really well. OG and NJ have to take the blame for the way they set the team up. One point from a very feasible 6 probably scuppers any chance we may have had of making the top two. Making the top 6 will now be very difficult and I'm not sure that will sit very comfortably on Tony Bloom's shoulders. I dont agree it's a lack of investment that is to blame because I think we have players good enough to make their mark in this division. Only Forest and QPR look to have stronger squads. For me, it's the ineptitude of the manager and coach to attack opposition teams that put us on the back foot. How nice it would have been to have thrown all our attacking force at Barnsley last night and secured a good cushion before half-time. Goals win matches and gain us points and we have to be looking at not one or two, but three, four or more to get the crowd buzzing and the team flying. Let's get Buckley and Conway playing wide providing ammunition for Ulloa and Lita, or Lita and Barnes if Leo isn't fit. I see no place in this team for Lopez. Ince also has to play, he's the nearest thing I've seen to Viera, so give the boy a chance. And finally, someone please tell me what Bruno has over Calderon. I really cant see what positive contribution Bruno makes either in defence or attack.[/p][/quote]Excellent post ,must surely echo most of our supporters thoughts imho. UTA[/p][/quote]Agree with all comments - except Bruno. Whilst I have not been a fan of his for a long time and feel he has defensive weaknesses as well as a tendency to misplace passes, he has shown some improvement in recent matches and some of his forward movement has been very good, including a defence splitting pass which set Buckley up for what should have been the equaliser. Furthermore he has more speed and vision than the other defenders. No mention was made of Agustien - who in my opinion oozed class from the moment he came onto the field - and was the best player on view by a long mile. Vince

8:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

bruce beckett wrote:
No one said OG is clueless. Only that he promised attacking football but continues to play with one striker, even against the bottom team in the division. Then he not only leaves Lita on the bench until the 82nd minute but subs him for another striker.

I'll tell you who is clueless...the morons who come on here and give minus marks for people making constructive criticism.

I'm done with this site.
I think that people are giving you minus marks because they disagree with you - nothing more, nothing less. Calling them morons for that is... arrogant?
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: No one said OG is clueless. Only that he promised attacking football but continues to play with one striker, even against the bottom team in the division. Then he not only leaves Lita on the bench until the 82nd minute but subs him for another striker. I'll tell you who is clueless...the morons who come on here and give minus marks for people making constructive criticism. I'm done with this site.[/p][/quote]I think that people are giving you minus marks because they disagree with you - nothing more, nothing less. Calling them morons for that is... arrogant? Ex-pat Arnie

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