Where did it go wrong for Seagulls?

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What did you think of last's night game between Albion and Barnsley on what was a crazy night of Championship result and where did it go wrong for Seagulls?

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10:16am Wed 4 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

Just read all the associated posts and I think you will work it out. The general consensus is that against the bottom of the table side with the worst goal difference should have been put to the sword by an attacking Brighton side.
I think we would all be discussing the three points this morning and how we are all looking forward to Saturday with real confidence.
Just read all the associated posts and I think you will work it out. The general consensus is that against the bottom of the table side with the worst goal difference should have been put to the sword by an attacking Brighton side. I think we would all be discussing the three points this morning and how we are all looking forward to Saturday with real confidence. Alfie T

10:47am Wed 4 Dec 13

SecondReserve says...

Garcia promised us attacking football but it was back to the Poyet days with a defensively minded line-up at home to the bottom team. We should still have beaten Barnsley of course but we gave away two very poor goals and once again have no real threat going forward. We can make the usual excuses but the truth is we were awful last night against the bottom team and pretty poor for most of the game against a very ordinary Bournemouth team on Saturday. Several players who were pretty good last season are really struggling and looking very ordinary now and not one of the new players has improved the team. I'm not convinced by Garcia but clearly he must be given more time though the reality is that we are no more than an adequate Championship team. I have supported the Albion since the late 1950s (and I've seen some very poor Albion teams in that time!) and will continue to do so regardless of what division we are in but anyone who seriously thinks that this team (6 wins in 18 matches) is going to get anywhere near the playoffs is very blinkered and must live in cloud cuckoo land.
Garcia promised us attacking football but it was back to the Poyet days with a defensively minded line-up at home to the bottom team. We should still have beaten Barnsley of course but we gave away two very poor goals and once again have no real threat going forward. We can make the usual excuses but the truth is we were awful last night against the bottom team and pretty poor for most of the game against a very ordinary Bournemouth team on Saturday. Several players who were pretty good last season are really struggling and looking very ordinary now and not one of the new players has improved the team. I'm not convinced by Garcia but clearly he must be given more time though the reality is that we are no more than an adequate Championship team. I have supported the Albion since the late 1950s (and I've seen some very poor Albion teams in that time!) and will continue to do so regardless of what division we are in but anyone who seriously thinks that this team (6 wins in 18 matches) is going to get anywhere near the playoffs is very blinkered and must live in cloud cuckoo land. SecondReserve

11:01am Wed 4 Dec 13

Steveg1958 says...

Team selection and negative tactics against the team at the bottom of the table with 1 point on their travels says it all. Despite what we keep being told where was the attacking intent. I know lets go sideways and backwards every game and look to nick a goal. !. Poor at Bournemouth with poor substitutions and even worse last night, probably the worst performance in four years.
Team selection and negative tactics against the team at the bottom of the table with 1 point on their travels says it all. Despite what we keep being told where was the attacking intent. I know lets go sideways and backwards every game and look to nick a goal. !. Poor at Bournemouth with poor substitutions and even worse last night, probably the worst performance in four years. Steveg1958

11:05am Wed 4 Dec 13

lotsofducks says...

I wasn't at the game, but was following it on-line. My thoughts, therefore are really just about team selection, so, here goes: Why did Ince (MoM arguably for the last game) play no part at all? Why, when we were playing the bottom side, did we start with and play throughout with only one striker? Why did we leave it until 10 mins to go before bring on Lita - even though we were losing? Why did we replace an attacking midfielder (David Lope) with a less attacking one (Agustien) on 65 mins? Is it also possible that Brighton 's mind-set was "all we have to do to beat Barnsley is turn up"? I have a lot of respect for Garcia, but it is hard to escape the conclusion that he got this one all wrong!
I wasn't at the game, but was following it on-line. My thoughts, therefore are really just about team selection, so, here goes: Why did Ince (MoM arguably for the last game) play no part at all? Why, when we were playing the bottom side, did we start with and play throughout with only one striker? Why did we leave it until 10 mins to go before bring on Lita - even though we were losing? Why did we replace an attacking midfielder (David Lope) with a less attacking one (Agustien) on 65 mins? Is it also possible that Brighton 's mind-set was "all we have to do to beat Barnsley is turn up"? I have a lot of respect for Garcia, but it is hard to escape the conclusion that he got this one all wrong! lotsofducks

11:08am Wed 4 Dec 13

MC Toni says...

We had no pace until Buckley came on. Lopez is no winger, he didn't once go past a defender. We only looked dangerous when Buckley latched on to one of our now many hit and hope through balls. When we did press them, Barnsley instantly started to panic, which we failed to take advantage of, thus the frustration in the crowd when Lita came on for Barnes rather than chase the game with two forwards.
We need some extra dimension that will stop teams pushing us back. That to me is a more attacking team set up which genuinely wants to get the ball back within the 5 seconds OG is looking for. There was no evidence of that last night, Barnsley were allowed to keep the ball for long passages of play.
Just an off day in my eyes, worst time to pay a struggling team, the game after a popular manager is removed.
I'm sure there will be an improvement come Saturday.
We had no pace until Buckley came on. Lopez is no winger, he didn't once go past a defender. We only looked dangerous when Buckley latched on to one of our now many hit and hope through balls. When we did press them, Barnsley instantly started to panic, which we failed to take advantage of, thus the frustration in the crowd when Lita came on for Barnes rather than chase the game with two forwards. We need some extra dimension that will stop teams pushing us back. That to me is a more attacking team set up which genuinely wants to get the ball back within the 5 seconds OG is looking for. There was no evidence of that last night, Barnsley were allowed to keep the ball for long passages of play. Just an off day in my eyes, worst time to pay a struggling team, the game after a popular manager is removed. I'm sure there will be an improvement come Saturday. MC Toni

11:43am Wed 4 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

Too many players had an off night, perhaps they expected Barnsley to roll over, but if you needed convincing that the Championship is a tough division then last night surely confirmed it. Barnsley played very well, and if they keep that sort of performance going they should be ok.
Also thought TK could have done better with both the goals, hope this contract talk is not going to affect his usual high performance levels.
Too many players had an off night, perhaps they expected Barnsley to roll over, but if you needed convincing that the Championship is a tough division then last night surely confirmed it. Barnsley played very well, and if they keep that sort of performance going they should be ok. Also thought TK could have done better with both the goals, hope this contract talk is not going to affect his usual high performance levels. Alfie T

11:44am Wed 4 Dec 13

mikeymeager says...

I'M STARTING TO WORRY ABOUT GARCIA AND HIS TEAM SELECTION,IF WE ARE TO BE MORE ATTACKING AND SCORE GOALS WE MUST PLAY TWO STRIKERS.
I'M STARTING TO WORRY ABOUT GARCIA AND HIS TEAM SELECTION,IF WE ARE TO BE MORE ATTACKING AND SCORE GOALS WE MUST PLAY TWO STRIKERS. mikeymeager

11:56am Wed 4 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

What went wrong? Playing a team immediately after their woefully underperforming manager had been sacked. It's always the worst time to play a side playing worse than expected. I'm sure Leicester are feeling much the same this morning.
What went wrong? Playing a team immediately after their woefully underperforming manager had been sacked. It's always the worst time to play a side playing worse than expected. I'm sure Leicester are feeling much the same this morning. Ex-pat Arnie

11:59am Wed 4 Dec 13

mikeymeager says...

I,M BECOMMING CONCERNED WITH GARCIAS TEAM SELECTION.WE NEED TO BE PLAYING THE BALL OUT WIDE AND USING TWO STRIKERS TO DEAL WITH THE RESULTANT CROSSES.ON LAST NIGHTS PERFORMANCE BRIGHTON LOOK NO MORE THAN A MID-TABLE SIDE.
PERHAPS THE MANAGER SHOULD ALSO BE MORE MOTIVATED IN GETTING A REACTION FROM HIS PLAYERS.
I,M BECOMMING CONCERNED WITH GARCIAS TEAM SELECTION.WE NEED TO BE PLAYING THE BALL OUT WIDE AND USING TWO STRIKERS TO DEAL WITH THE RESULTANT CROSSES.ON LAST NIGHTS PERFORMANCE BRIGHTON LOOK NO MORE THAN A MID-TABLE SIDE. PERHAPS THE MANAGER SHOULD ALSO BE MORE MOTIVATED IN GETTING A REACTION FROM HIS PLAYERS. mikeymeager

12:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

tonypulis says...

OG should start wearing a shiny tracksuit and a baseball cap. He dresses far too conservatively for my taste.
OG should start wearing a shiny tracksuit and a baseball cap. He dresses far too conservatively for my taste. tonypulis

1:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Barney123 says...

I am unsure what fellow fans expect from the current line up. We are playing what looks like two holding central midfielders along with one striker up front who cannot seem to effectively hold the ball up or play at a consistent level.

I feel we need to play with two main strikers more and not try and flood the midfield with central midfielders. Do we really need Crofts, JFC and Bridcutt at the same time - which is normally complimented with Barnes as he's out of position?

We did play well in parts last night until we conceded, a lot like Poyet's pass-and-move from last year but we had no cutting edge and again no one from central midfield was willing to shoot. In all honesty we haven't looked good all season, be it through injuries or fitness problems, but it is frustrating when we have proven players on the bench who can score goals but stick to a very defensive 4-5-1 at home.
I am unsure what fellow fans expect from the current line up. We are playing what looks like two holding central midfielders along with one striker up front who cannot seem to effectively hold the ball up or play at a consistent level. I feel we need to play with two main strikers more and not try and flood the midfield with central midfielders. Do we really need Crofts, JFC and Bridcutt at the same time - which is normally complimented with Barnes as he's out of position? We did play well in parts last night until we conceded, a lot like Poyet's pass-and-move from last year but we had no cutting edge and again no one from central midfield was willing to shoot. In all honesty we haven't looked good all season, be it through injuries or fitness problems, but it is frustrating when we have proven players on the bench who can score goals but stick to a very defensive 4-5-1 at home. Barney123

1:25pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Albion fan in London says...

It seems as though OG has the same philosophies as GP in terms of playing one up front which is fine if you have Leo playing but to be fair to Barnes this is not his strength, in a pairing yes we would see more chances and opportunities for him (Blackburn the exception) this finally came to a head last night. We don't look dangerous enough going forward nor do we have the pace to hurt teams at the moment. However lets not loose sight of a good unbeaten run and we are still in touch of the play offs with players coming back to full fitness. This has been one strange season so far and not that enjoyable for me to date. The trials and tribs of being a Brighton fan hey
It seems as though OG has the same philosophies as GP in terms of playing one up front which is fine if you have Leo playing but to be fair to Barnes this is not his strength, in a pairing yes we would see more chances and opportunities for him (Blackburn the exception) this finally came to a head last night. We don't look dangerous enough going forward nor do we have the pace to hurt teams at the moment. However lets not loose sight of a good unbeaten run and we are still in touch of the play offs with players coming back to full fitness. This has been one strange season so far and not that enjoyable for me to date. The trials and tribs of being a Brighton fan hey Albion fan in London

1:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

PaulJo says...

We didn't turn and play until 20 minutes to go, only looked dangerous when Buckley came on. The 1st half was insipid, slow, pointless and lacking in any coherent moves, worst I've seen for a long while.

Fair play to Barnsley, they came and had a go.

Even managers of teams stuffed with multi-million pound talents can get it wrong from time to time (Cardiff 3 - Man City 2)

The test of a good manager will be to not make the same mistake again, and hopefully Oscar has learnt a lot from from last night. Let's see on Saturday eh!

I've been quietly pleased with Oscar so far, hindered by injuries and being unable to pick his first choice selection, we've done OK. Now is the test of how good he is as players return. If we line up and perform like that again, I'll be starting to doubt the man, until then, I'll put it down to a very bad day at the office.
We didn't turn and play until 20 minutes to go, only looked dangerous when Buckley came on. The 1st half was insipid, slow, pointless and lacking in any coherent moves, worst I've seen for a long while. Fair play to Barnsley, they came and had a go. Even managers of teams stuffed with multi-million pound talents can get it wrong from time to time (Cardiff 3 - Man City 2) The test of a good manager will be to not make the same mistake again, and hopefully Oscar has learnt a lot from from last night. Let's see on Saturday eh! I've been quietly pleased with Oscar so far, hindered by injuries and being unable to pick his first choice selection, we've done OK. Now is the test of how good he is as players return. If we line up and perform like that again, I'll be starting to doubt the man, until then, I'll put it down to a very bad day at the office. PaulJo

1:40pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Vince says...

When OG was first appointed - it was stated that he would adopt a much more attacking approach - with his teams breaking quickly from defence to attack, rather than the more laboured build up used by GP.

Hooray, we all thought! At last we can be properly entertained with some good attacking play! Then the horrible truth dawns. OG IS REALLY GUS POYET MARK II and PLAYS WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER!!!! What is it about these two managers that they all have to try and play the Barcelona way? It's great when the rest of the team are all skilful and capable of intelligent interplay and SCORING GOALS. Unfortunately, not many players in the team he fielded last night are actually capable of scoring goals! Even more glaring was the total lack of creativity and class in the midfield - until of course Kemy Agustien arrived on the scene. He immediately put into perspective our complete lack of a midfield up to that point and the total dross served up by the likes of David Lopez. Agustien's class and creative passing was a joy to behold, and we very nearly got something out of the game after he came on.

I am getting totally bored and frustrated at our lack of ambition at home. Time and again, we have to wait until the last 20 minutes before we at last start to see some fluid attacking and purposeful forward play. How many times over the last 2 and 1/2 seasons have we seen Brighton desperately seeking to retrieve deficits at home in the last quarter of matches - throwing on Lua Lua, Vicente and the like for a frantic blitz? Under Gus I would say we managed about 10 draws from losing positions in the last 10 minutes. We also gave away about 10 winning positions in the last 5 minutes by defending too deep.

The first half last night was almost a total replica of the annoyingly cautious team formations that Gus used last season - and the reason why so many home games were drawn. We all know that that and his over cautious approach in defending a one goal lead in the last 5 minutes was Gus's achilles heel, when automatic promotion should have been a certainty. Quite a few managers (like Paul Ince) said that we were the best team in the Championship last season - and at times we were devastating.

ALL SO NEGATIVE. So much more could be achieved if this overly-cautious approach was discarded and we started games with more attacking team formations - rather than relying on the impact players to retrieve lost causes.

Last night by the time Agustien and Lita were brought on, Barnsley were fighting for their lives, and packing their defence to hold onto their lead. Scoring was always going to be difficult then. But if these two players or Rohan Ince and Will Buckley had started - we could have been looking at total domination and a 5-0 win.
When OG was first appointed - it was stated that he would adopt a much more attacking approach - with his teams breaking quickly from defence to attack, rather than the more laboured build up used by GP. Hooray, we all thought! At last we can be properly entertained with some good attacking play! Then the horrible truth dawns. OG IS REALLY GUS POYET MARK II and PLAYS WITH ONLY 1 STRIKER!!!! What is it about these two managers that they all have to try and play the Barcelona way? It's great when the rest of the team are all skilful and capable of intelligent interplay and SCORING GOALS. Unfortunately, not many players in the team he fielded last night are actually capable of scoring goals! Even more glaring was the total lack of creativity and class in the midfield - until of course Kemy Agustien arrived on the scene. He immediately put into perspective our complete lack of a midfield up to that point and the total dross served up by the likes of David Lopez. Agustien's class and creative passing was a joy to behold, and we very nearly got something out of the game after he came on. I am getting totally bored and frustrated at our lack of ambition at home. Time and again, we have to wait until the last 20 minutes before we at last start to see some fluid attacking and purposeful forward play. How many times over the last 2 and 1/2 seasons have we seen Brighton desperately seeking to retrieve deficits at home in the last quarter of matches - throwing on Lua Lua, Vicente and the like for a frantic blitz? Under Gus I would say we managed about 10 draws from losing positions in the last 10 minutes. We also gave away about 10 winning positions in the last 5 minutes by defending too deep. The first half last night was almost a total replica of the annoyingly cautious team formations that Gus used last season - and the reason why so many home games were drawn. We all know that that and his over cautious approach in defending a one goal lead in the last 5 minutes was Gus's achilles heel, when automatic promotion should have been a certainty. Quite a few managers (like Paul Ince) said that we were the best team in the Championship last season - and at times we were devastating. ALL SO NEGATIVE. So much more could be achieved if this overly-cautious approach was discarded and we started games with more attacking team formations - rather than relying on the impact players to retrieve lost causes. Last night by the time Agustien and Lita were brought on, Barnsley were fighting for their lives, and packing their defence to hold onto their lead. Scoring was always going to be difficult then. But if these two players or Rohan Ince and Will Buckley had started - we could have been looking at total domination and a 5-0 win. Vince

1:57pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Vince says...

The starting line-up last night should have been:-

Kuszac
Bruno Upson Greer Ward
Bridcutt
Buckley Ince/Agustien Conway
Lita Barnes


When the injured players return

Kuszac
Bruno Upson Greer Ward
Bridcutt
Buckley Ince/Agustien Lua Lua/Orlandi
Ulloa Lita/Barnes
The starting line-up last night should have been:- Kuszac Bruno Upson Greer Ward Bridcutt Buckley Ince/Agustien Conway Lita Barnes When the injured players return Kuszac Bruno Upson Greer Ward Bridcutt Buckley Ince/Agustien Lua Lua/Orlandi Ulloa Lita/Barnes Vince

2:01pm Wed 4 Dec 13

JollyRoger says...

Quite possibly the worst performance ever! The team started off well but soon seemed to lower themselves down to Barnsley's level. There was no pace, no passion and the team looked lethargic - we were supposed to be maintaing our unbeaten run and push for a playoff place, yet the whole team seemed uninterested.

All the possession counts for nothing if you can't score. Even when we had the ball in promising positions it seemed the only think on our minds was to pass the ball backwards. To me it just means a lack of creativity or a game plan!

I can't understand why Bruno came straight bak into the starting line up and he is was ineffective all match, as was Lopez and JFC. Why on earth wasn't Ince on the field? Agustein at least showed some interest.

Can it really be that we do not have the skills and players to break down teams that get behind the ball once they are ahead. I expected Barnsley to shut up shop at 1-0 up but they came out and scored a second. We can all moan about the time wasting - are you seriously thinking we wouldn't do the same if we were 2-0 up at Leicester??
Quite possibly the worst performance ever! The team started off well but soon seemed to lower themselves down to Barnsley's level. There was no pace, no passion and the team looked lethargic - we were supposed to be maintaing our unbeaten run and push for a playoff place, yet the whole team seemed uninterested. All the possession counts for nothing if you can't score. Even when we had the ball in promising positions it seemed the only think on our minds was to pass the ball backwards. To me it just means a lack of creativity or a game plan! I can't understand why Bruno came straight bak into the starting line up and he is was ineffective all match, as was Lopez and JFC. Why on earth wasn't Ince on the field? Agustein at least showed some interest. Can it really be that we do not have the skills and players to break down teams that get behind the ball once they are ahead. I expected Barnsley to shut up shop at 1-0 up but they came out and scored a second. We can all moan about the time wasting - are you seriously thinking we wouldn't do the same if we were 2-0 up at Leicester?? JollyRoger

2:02pm Wed 4 Dec 13

bardo says...

We've seen it all before - managerless sides turns over an over-confident winning side. Stuff happens. A top-class loanee goalkeeper and a gung-ho, "what-the-heck, let's just run at them" attitude probably didn't harm their cause. Oscar's post-match defence is that he's won a few games with one up front and that's difficult to argue with. But then maybe he's just seen too much of Barcelona over the years. Certainly needed another striker when we went 2-0 down; no-brainer I would have thought, but then who am I but just a passionate fan who hurts when we suffer acute embarassment! Guess Leicester will be as pumped up as we should be come Saturday. Could be interesting.
We've seen it all before - managerless sides turns over an over-confident winning side. Stuff happens. A top-class loanee goalkeeper and a gung-ho, "what-the-heck, let's just run at them" attitude probably didn't harm their cause. Oscar's post-match defence is that he's won a few games with one up front and that's difficult to argue with. But then maybe he's just seen too much of Barcelona over the years. Certainly needed another striker when we went 2-0 down; no-brainer I would have thought, but then who am I but just a passionate fan who hurts when we suffer acute embarassment! Guess Leicester will be as pumped up as we should be come Saturday. Could be interesting. bardo

2:23pm Wed 4 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

I wonder if some of our players took to the field with one eye on the bench. Our returning lads will challenge for three or four spots, last night Crofts, JFC, Conway and Lopez could all see their replacements waiting their chance.
Did any of our players sit a little too deep in the hope that they wouldn't make a mistake, were they too cautious. Was Oscar too cautious in his line up, it seems so considering who we were playing.
There were 9 fouls committed by each side, Barnsley picked up 5 yellow cards, none for us, did they have a fire in their belly that we just didn't have, did they want it more than we did.
Last night's result could have just been a blimp, other teams have suffered similar shock results and bounced back, there is no reason why we can't do the same. A bad result is what it is, the important thing is how you respond.
I wonder if some of our players took to the field with one eye on the bench. Our returning lads will challenge for three or four spots, last night Crofts, JFC, Conway and Lopez could all see their replacements waiting their chance. Did any of our players sit a little too deep in the hope that they wouldn't make a mistake, were they too cautious. Was Oscar too cautious in his line up, it seems so considering who we were playing. There were 9 fouls committed by each side, Barnsley picked up 5 yellow cards, none for us, did they have a fire in their belly that we just didn't have, did they want it more than we did. Last night's result could have just been a blimp, other teams have suffered similar shock results and bounced back, there is no reason why we can't do the same. A bad result is what it is, the important thing is how you respond. VegasSeagull

2:24pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Neville says...

Wrong team selection,Ince and Bridcutt should have played together and Barnes and Lita up front. Same pattern of play whoever we play,possession in our own half with no threat and it took 20 mins to register a shot on goal.
We need to take the game to teams below us from the off and get the ball in their half,not keep it in our own. Lita substitution too late and drop Lopez for his own sake and that of OG,does not currently deserve a place in the team let alone the bench,just woeful.
Wrong team selection,Ince and Bridcutt should have played together and Barnes and Lita up front. Same pattern of play whoever we play,possession in our own half with no threat and it took 20 mins to register a shot on goal. We need to take the game to teams below us from the off and get the ball in their half,not keep it in our own. Lita substitution too late and drop Lopez for his own sake and that of OG,does not currently deserve a place in the team let alone the bench,just woeful. Neville

4:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Where did it go wrong. Simples. It went wrong when OG got the impression that running around like a headless chicken would suffice, especially when the person concerned scored with 2 tap ins (incl the pen) and admittedly a superb goal last week. AB does not, I repeat NOT, have what it takes at this level, hence the relentless search for a loanee. Now on that subject who did the Leroy Lita deal - was OG ever consulted. I think not - he certainly has no respect for LL as a player; he hasn't played more than 45 minutes since he's been here. last night was the worst display I have seen for a very long time but it has been on the cards for a while. The performance against Yeovil was shambolic, Wigan wasn't sensational and Bournemouth was the writing on the wall - we were awful there too. At this moment there is no flair in midfield, no dynamo, no nothing. Will it all get better when everyone is back...? I can only hope so. Another p-poor performance on Saturday and even a play-off place will start to look like a long shot. C'mon guys, this leaque should have been there for the taking. UTA with fingers firmly crossed nevertheless.
Where did it go wrong. Simples. It went wrong when OG got the impression that running around like a headless chicken would suffice, especially when the person concerned scored with 2 tap ins (incl the pen) and admittedly a superb goal last week. AB does not, I repeat NOT, have what it takes at this level, hence the relentless search for a loanee. Now on that subject who did the Leroy Lita deal - was OG ever consulted. I think not - he certainly has no respect for LL as a player; he hasn't played more than 45 minutes since he's been here. last night was the worst display I have seen for a very long time but it has been on the cards for a while. The performance against Yeovil was shambolic, Wigan wasn't sensational and Bournemouth was the writing on the wall - we were awful there too. At this moment there is no flair in midfield, no dynamo, no nothing. Will it all get better when everyone is back...? I can only hope so. Another p-poor performance on Saturday and even a play-off place will start to look like a long shot. C'mon guys, this leaque should have been there for the taking. UTA with fingers firmly crossed nevertheless. Jonathan Mouette

4:19pm Wed 4 Dec 13

elljam says...

Until Oscar tells Greer to stop playing so deep we will never be able to play at the higher tempo that he promised on his arrival.
How can we press the ball high up the pitch when the gap from Greer to the striker is enormous. When we are attacking, Greer is very often not far outside his own penalty box & when the opposition have the ball his first action is to retreat, dragging the midfield back with him. Surely Oscar must realise that to play high tempo pressing football the back four must push up & enable the midfield to press the ball.
As much as I admire Greer's ability on the ball (there are not many centre back's as comfortable in possession), his lack of pace is obviously an issue & he compensates by dropping too deep. I feel Bridcutt does a lot the work for him & therefore he does not get exposed so much. How often do we see Bridcutt challenging for headers from the opponents goal kicks, while Greer & Upson retreat. Every other team's centre backs do this job ! When Greer does get left one on one he is often left on his backside.
We have a young centre back who is comfortable on the ball & possesses some pace in Lewis Dunk. He is young & may make the odd mistake but with him in the side we could then play with a higher line & therefore enable the midfield to push on & win the ball higher up the pitch, safe in the knowledge that there will not be massive spaces in behind them. This is how Barcelona play & Garcia apparently swears by this way of playing. Why isn't he doing it ?
While it's not the answer to all of the problems it will allow the team to play with more urgency.

Also we have to remember that our 4 best attacking players (Ulloa ,Buckley, Lua Lua & Orlandi) have been absent for a while so until they are all fit & playing regularly we can't expect to open teams up on a regular basis.
Until Oscar tells Greer to stop playing so deep we will never be able to play at the higher tempo that he promised on his arrival. How can we press the ball high up the pitch when the gap from Greer to the striker is enormous. When we are attacking, Greer is very often not far outside his own penalty box & when the opposition have the ball his first action is to retreat, dragging the midfield back with him. Surely Oscar must realise that to play high tempo pressing football the back four must push up & enable the midfield to press the ball. As much as I admire Greer's ability on the ball (there are not many centre back's as comfortable in possession), his lack of pace is obviously an issue & he compensates by dropping too deep. I feel Bridcutt does a lot the work for him & therefore he does not get exposed so much. How often do we see Bridcutt challenging for headers from the opponents goal kicks, while Greer & Upson retreat. Every other team's centre backs do this job ! When Greer does get left one on one he is often left on his backside. We have a young centre back who is comfortable on the ball & possesses some pace in Lewis Dunk. He is young & may make the odd mistake but with him in the side we could then play with a higher line & therefore enable the midfield to push on & win the ball higher up the pitch, safe in the knowledge that there will not be massive spaces in behind them. This is how Barcelona play & Garcia apparently swears by this way of playing. Why isn't he doing it ? While it's not the answer to all of the problems it will allow the team to play with more urgency. Also we have to remember that our 4 best attacking players (Ulloa ,Buckley, Lua Lua & Orlandi) have been absent for a while so until they are all fit & playing regularly we can't expect to open teams up on a regular basis. elljam

5:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

heathgate says...

Look, defending starts with the forward(s)..... we had a striker with no ability to hold the ball up, thus losing the ball instantly, causing our midfield to be cautious about getting too far up the pitch, everyone drops deeper, chaos ensues.
Look, defending starts with the forward(s)..... we had a striker with no ability to hold the ball up, thus losing the ball instantly, causing our midfield to be cautious about getting too far up the pitch, everyone drops deeper, chaos ensues. heathgate

6:38pm Wed 4 Dec 13

AlanDuffy says...

I agree with much of what has already been posted re team selection and style of play. I still think we might have won after Upson's goal, when Barnsley really looked ragged and their confidence visibly drained, but unfortunately the long delay while the referee was replaced came at just the wrong time for us and just the right time for them. I thought their second goal was a cracker and they had two good players in the goal scorers, but we didn't create enough, seemed devoid of ideas and with a real test to come on Saturday, now is the time for Oscar to show us what he's made of. If we could start games as if we were one or two down and maintain that level of urgency and drive, then I wouldn't mind if we lost - but to go down as we did last night was disappointing.
I agree with much of what has already been posted re team selection and style of play. I still think we might have won after Upson's goal, when Barnsley really looked ragged and their confidence visibly drained, but unfortunately the long delay while the referee was replaced came at just the wrong time for us and just the right time for them. I thought their second goal was a cracker and they had two good players in the goal scorers, but we didn't create enough, seemed devoid of ideas and with a real test to come on Saturday, now is the time for Oscar to show us what he's made of. If we could start games as if we were one or two down and maintain that level of urgency and drive, then I wouldn't mind if we lost - but to go down as we did last night was disappointing. AlanDuffy

6:38pm Wed 4 Dec 13

RobD21 says...

For me, Bruno is a liability to the team; far too lazy thinks he's a lot better than he actually is-Calderon needs to start at RB. Also playing one up front at home to the team at the bottom of the league is an extremely negative and somewhat confusing tactic. The only positives I can take out of the game are that I think Conway looks a very good player and deserves a recall in January. I also thought Kemy Agustien looked really sharp when he came on and added a real touch of class to the midfield along with Buckley who gave us a bit of a spark. Overall a dreadful night all round though but have to put it behind us for Saturday!
For me, Bruno is a liability to the team; far too lazy thinks he's a lot better than he actually is-Calderon needs to start at RB. Also playing one up front at home to the team at the bottom of the league is an extremely negative and somewhat confusing tactic. The only positives I can take out of the game are that I think Conway looks a very good player and deserves a recall in January. I also thought Kemy Agustien looked really sharp when he came on and added a real touch of class to the midfield along with Buckley who gave us a bit of a spark. Overall a dreadful night all round though but have to put it behind us for Saturday! RobD21

7:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

WoodingdeanDS says...

Oscar said himself that the team’s performance, the first half in particular, was poor. Why do people here try to put some gloss on what they saw? I’m sure OG doesn’t read these opinions and who can blame him? I do wonder whether TB does, though (he ought). Here’s my two pennyworth:
1) The way Albion are told play will not cope with the likes of Barnsley who came with the, quite right, plan to harry, bother, and man-mark their opponents. Their passing was better – both going forward and out of defence. They looked fitter, as well. Five bookings for Barnsley players to our nil tells a story in itself. The Tykes got stuck in.
2) We don’t seem to have any discernable ‘shape’. One up front at home, with one winger looked a bit lop-sided, especially with Bruno doing his best on the opposite wing to Conway. That only got sorted when Buckley came on.
3) Too many changes each game – may be forced, may be not. Doesn’t help players to get used to a pattern and formation. Too many of our passes were both wild and just not aimed at a team-mate – at least that was the impression from the stands.
4) Starting line up and team selection generally is all over the place.
5) The only comfort I get is from watching a full 90 mins of Premier League football – that’s sometimes dire as well.
Oscar said himself that the team’s performance, the first half in particular, was poor. Why do people here try to put some gloss on what they saw? I’m sure OG doesn’t read these opinions and who can blame him? I do wonder whether TB does, though (he ought). Here’s my two pennyworth: 1) The way Albion are told play will not cope with the likes of Barnsley who came with the, quite right, plan to harry, bother, and man-mark their opponents. Their passing was better – both going forward and out of defence. They looked fitter, as well. Five bookings for Barnsley players to our nil tells a story in itself. The Tykes got stuck in. 2) We don’t seem to have any discernable ‘shape’. One up front at home, with one winger looked a bit lop-sided, especially with Bruno doing his best on the opposite wing to Conway. That only got sorted when Buckley came on. 3) Too many changes each game – may be forced, may be not. Doesn’t help players to get used to a pattern and formation. Too many of our passes were both wild and just not aimed at a team-mate – at least that was the impression from the stands. 4) Starting line up and team selection generally is all over the place. 5) The only comfort I get is from watching a full 90 mins of Premier League football – that’s sometimes dire as well. WoodingdeanDS

10:44pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

lotsofducks wrote:
I wasn't at the game, but was following it on-line. My thoughts, therefore are really just about team selection, so, here goes: Why did Ince (MoM arguably for the last game) play no part at all? Why, when we were playing the bottom side, did we start with and play throughout with only one striker? Why did we leave it until 10 mins to go before bring on Lita - even though we were losing? Why did we replace an attacking midfielder (David Lope) with a less attacking one (Agustien) on 65 mins? Is it also possible that Brighton 's mind-set was "all we have to do to beat Barnsley is turn up"? I have a lot of respect for Garcia, but it is hard to escape the conclusion that he got this one all wrong!
Ince couldn't finish the 90 minutes on Saturday so I guess he was rested, we played with one striker because that's how we play, I give you that Lita could have entered the game sooner but Ash was doing well, who says Kemy is less attacking than Dave?
It was a poor performance hard on the heels of a not very good one at Bournemouth, every team has these, the good sides bounce back quickly, the average ones eventually and the poor ones maybe don't recover at all. This is where we really find out about our team and our Manager, I believe they will bounce back quickly.
[quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: I wasn't at the game, but was following it on-line. My thoughts, therefore are really just about team selection, so, here goes: Why did Ince (MoM arguably for the last game) play no part at all? Why, when we were playing the bottom side, did we start with and play throughout with only one striker? Why did we leave it until 10 mins to go before bring on Lita - even though we were losing? Why did we replace an attacking midfielder (David Lope) with a less attacking one (Agustien) on 65 mins? Is it also possible that Brighton 's mind-set was "all we have to do to beat Barnsley is turn up"? I have a lot of respect for Garcia, but it is hard to escape the conclusion that he got this one all wrong![/p][/quote]Ince couldn't finish the 90 minutes on Saturday so I guess he was rested, we played with one striker because that's how we play, I give you that Lita could have entered the game sooner but Ash was doing well, who says Kemy is less attacking than Dave? It was a poor performance hard on the heels of a not very good one at Bournemouth, every team has these, the good sides bounce back quickly, the average ones eventually and the poor ones maybe don't recover at all. This is where we really find out about our team and our Manager, I believe they will bounce back quickly. Baldseagull

10:40am Thu 5 Dec 13

Eddy Gemmell says...

I think that, overall this season, we have done well. The start was never going to be good with all the summer nonsense and OG arriving half way through pre-season. Injuries have been awful.
I have great faith in OG. That said, I do find it odd that we have players who can deliver a good ball (DL, Bruno, Orlandi, Buckley) and yet play with one striker. When has Barnes EVER latched onto a through ball and scored? Headed in a cross on the break? I can't think of any examples. How exactly are we trying to use him? I don't get it. I also couldn't believe how long it took for us to see Lita. Taking Barnes off appeared daft to me. I though Kemy had a great game. He put in 2-3 passes/lobs that deserved better finishing. Once we get Leo on the end of them that could make a big difference. Bridcutt also played well. Good to see him back. I also thought TK could have done better on both goals. Perhaps though his recent performances have heightened expectations above what should be expected though ...who knows.
We still have every chance of making the play-offs again but I agree that lack-luster performances like Tuesday will not achieve that. Lets hope the lads can find some more passion.
I also hope we keep Conway ...he was the only player in the first 60 minutes who looked awake. Shame we rarely ever managed to get the ball to him.
I reckon we'll do well Saturday. Come on Brighton!!!
I think that, overall this season, we have done well. The start was never going to be good with all the summer nonsense and OG arriving half way through pre-season. Injuries have been awful. I have great faith in OG. That said, I do find it odd that we have players who can deliver a good ball (DL, Bruno, Orlandi, Buckley) and yet play with one striker. When has Barnes EVER latched onto a through ball and scored? Headed in a cross on the break? I can't think of any examples. How exactly are we trying to use him? I don't get it. I also couldn't believe how long it took for us to see Lita. Taking Barnes off appeared daft to me. I though Kemy had a great game. He put in 2-3 passes/lobs that deserved better finishing. Once we get Leo on the end of them that could make a big difference. Bridcutt also played well. Good to see him back. I also thought TK could have done better on both goals. Perhaps though his recent performances have heightened expectations above what should be expected though ...who knows. We still have every chance of making the play-offs again but I agree that lack-luster performances like Tuesday will not achieve that. Lets hope the lads can find some more passion. I also hope we keep Conway ...he was the only player in the first 60 minutes who looked awake. Shame we rarely ever managed to get the ball to him. I reckon we'll do well Saturday. Come on Brighton!!! Eddy Gemmell

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