Albion boss plays down promotion talk

The Argus: Oscar Garcia does not want his players thinking too far ahead Oscar Garcia does not want his players thinking too far ahead

Oscar Garcia has silenced talk of another Championship promotion challenge by Albion.

The head coach has not mentioned the play-offs to his players and he does not want them thinking about them either.

Albion are back up to tenth, three points behind FA Cup opponents Reading in sixth and Nottingham Forest in fifth, following Saturday’s 3-1 win against ex-leaders Leicester at The Amex.

The Seagulls were only two points closer at the corresponding stage last season, when they finished fourth under Gus Poyet, but Oscar refuses to look too far ahead.

The Spaniard said: “My players haven’t heard from me this word (play-offs), they only hear the name of the next team we are playing. That is the way I want to work.

“It’s a big mistake for them to think about this. They have to think about the next game and winning the next game and then at the end of the season or maybe one month before we will see where we are."

Saturday's hosts Middlesbrough, in 18th, are only four points clear of the relegation zone but won their only home game so far under Oscar's fellow Spaniard Aitor Karanka against Bolton last month.

Albion defender Adam El-Abd said: "You go into every game not knowing who is going to win, because it's on the day.

"If we go in with that mindset - that we have got to be on our game otherwise it might not go our way - then we will have more positive results than negative.

"It's difficult to call it. I'd like to think we'll be up there but I won't take anything for granted."

Oscar is waiting for confirmation on the extent of the injuries to goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak (stomach muscle) and captain Gordon Greer (calf) which affected their involvement against Leicester.

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6:32am Tue 10 Dec 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

I think he's right t talk our chances down - frankly I don't think we're any where near good enough. Bournemouth ran through our defence seemingly at will, our aged defenders simply can't catch speedy wingers. The same thing was apparent against Leicester and only some smart saves from Brez bagged us the three points. The Bridcutt/ince defensive midfield pairing looks very effective and Crofts is having his best season yet but Kaz, Buckley and Orlandi are all highly injury prone and Spanish Dave wildly inconsistent which gives the midfield a certain incoherence. Barnes can't be faulted for effort and is scoring regularly now but other clubs leading the race have forwards into double figures already. Maybe Ulloa will fire up the attack when he returns but will he still be here after January?
I think he's right t talk our chances down - frankly I don't think we're any where near good enough. Bournemouth ran through our defence seemingly at will, our aged defenders simply can't catch speedy wingers. The same thing was apparent against Leicester and only some smart saves from Brez bagged us the three points. The Bridcutt/ince defensive midfield pairing looks very effective and Crofts is having his best season yet but Kaz, Buckley and Orlandi are all highly injury prone and Spanish Dave wildly inconsistent which gives the midfield a certain incoherence. Barnes can't be faulted for effort and is scoring regularly now but other clubs leading the race have forwards into double figures already. Maybe Ulloa will fire up the attack when he returns but will he still be here after January? B rian Tawses left foot

7:41am Tue 10 Dec 13

graham w says...

Good article brian i totally agree with your sentiments..........
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Good article brian i totally agree with your sentiments.......... ........!! graham w

8:30am Tue 10 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

Some people are better motivated by the longer term goal.
It would be easier perhaps to motivate some of the team when playing against Barnsley by talking of the importance of every win to get to the play offs, rather than taking it as a game against the bottom side.
As much as it is isn't talked about by Oscar, most of the players will have an eye on getting into the top 6.
If Conway comes back to us and we hang on to our best players, I would be disappointed if we didn't hit top 6.
Some people are better motivated by the longer term goal. It would be easier perhaps to motivate some of the team when playing against Barnsley by talking of the importance of every win to get to the play offs, rather than taking it as a game against the bottom side. As much as it is isn't talked about by Oscar, most of the players will have an eye on getting into the top 6. If Conway comes back to us and we hang on to our best players, I would be disappointed if we didn't hit top 6. Baldseagull

8:45am Tue 10 Dec 13

the taffster says...

best mid table....I agree wit brian....our centre backs look slow and vulnerable. depending on whether we keep bridcutt and ullou too ...
best mid table....I agree wit brian....our centre backs look slow and vulnerable. depending on whether we keep bridcutt and ullou too ... the taffster

8:57am Tue 10 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.
Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future. Thewithdeanyears

9:25am Tue 10 Dec 13

albionfan33 says...

its a shame santa wont use these trolls to pull his sledge
its a shame santa wont use these trolls to pull his sledge albionfan33

9:29am Tue 10 Dec 13

Eddy B says...

Good points brian. Reporters (and fans to a lesser extent I think) swing wildly from promotion (Leicester) to relegation (Barnsley). We're never as good as we think we are, nor as bad. Our defence certainly isn't as solid as the stats have suggested as I think a lot of that is due to TK (and also Breznovan on Saturday actually). Sure, a good goalie is part of the defence too, but also a strong central midfield - with Bridcutt back and Ince getting better all the time the fans may be able to relax a little more. (I know it's ancient history and I don't know how close we were but it was a pity we didn't get that Celtic Van Dijk chap - El Abd did play very well on Saturday though, although do feel he is only a mistimed tackle away from a penalty or red card most the time!).
Good points brian. Reporters (and fans to a lesser extent I think) swing wildly from promotion (Leicester) to relegation (Barnsley). We're never as good as we think we are, nor as bad. Our defence certainly isn't as solid as the stats have suggested as I think a lot of that is due to TK (and also Breznovan on Saturday actually). Sure, a good goalie is part of the defence too, but also a strong central midfield - with Bridcutt back and Ince getting better all the time the fans may be able to relax a little more. (I know it's ancient history and I don't know how close we were but it was a pity we didn't get that Celtic Van Dijk chap - El Abd did play very well on Saturday though, although do feel he is only a mistimed tackle away from a penalty or red card most the time!). Eddy B

9:37am Tue 10 Dec 13

championshipgull says...

We are going to need a very good festive season to stay in touch with the top two, but there his hope, looking at the top 3. QPR are not firing on all cylinders and there is doubt that Burnley can maintain the form they have shown so far , Leicester we have just seen. 11 points adrift at this stage doesn’t look that bad but next year it will do. Having said that the club has invested heavily in LuaLua, Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, and CMS, with them fully fit and playing well we could coupled with our good defensive record and the best back four in this league, eat up the points gap
We are going to need a very good festive season to stay in touch with the top two, but there his hope, looking at the top 3. QPR are not firing on all cylinders and there is doubt that Burnley can maintain the form they have shown so far , Leicester we have just seen. 11 points adrift at this stage doesn’t look that bad but next year it will do. Having said that the club has invested heavily in LuaLua, Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, and CMS, with them fully fit and playing well we could coupled with our good defensive record and the best back four in this league, eat up the points gap championshipgull

9:44am Tue 10 Dec 13

wiseman of hove says...

A tad too much pessimism on this thread so far. We have our deficiencies, some of which have been highlighted above, but so does every other club in this division - hence the roller coaster results every week. The standard in the championship gets talked up but for me, there is no really good stand out team. No two teams are going to run away with it at the top. As an example, QPR and Reading showing signs of going off the boil. I'm quitely optimistic.
A tad too much pessimism on this thread so far. We have our deficiencies, some of which have been highlighted above, but so does every other club in this division - hence the roller coaster results every week. The standard in the championship gets talked up but for me, there is no really good stand out team. No two teams are going to run away with it at the top. As an example, QPR and Reading showing signs of going off the boil. I'm quitely optimistic. wiseman of hove

9:54am Tue 10 Dec 13

Albion23 says...

Oscars got it right (imho). It's way to early to think on anything but being consistant. As we see time after time any one can beat anyone. The Christmas period will be a key period, with players hopefully back it will be in our hands.
Oscars got it right (imho). It's way to early to think on anything but being consistant. As we see time after time any one can beat anyone. The Christmas period will be a key period, with players hopefully back it will be in our hands. Albion23

10:23am Tue 10 Dec 13

Gee Jay says...

We will not know our full potential until all our 'first choice' players are back from their injuries.
That said, it is important to pull in an average of two points per match in December to keep in touch with the top six.
I would be delighted with another play off place this season, and then some team stengthening in the summer for a real push for auto promotion in 2014/15.
Promotion with an 'unprepared' squad would be a disaaaarster darling!
We should be good enough for Boro' on Saturday though.
We will not know our full potential until all our 'first choice' players are back from their injuries. That said, it is important to pull in an average of two points per match in December to keep in touch with the top six. I would be delighted with another play off place this season, and then some team stengthening in the summer for a real push for auto promotion in 2014/15. Promotion with an 'unprepared' squad would be a disaaaarster darling! We should be good enough for Boro' on Saturday though. Gee Jay

10:29am Tue 10 Dec 13

Uckfield Seagull says...

When fit

TC
BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD
BRIDCUTT
INCE CROFTS
BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA

Team fit for promotion
When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion Uckfield Seagull

11:33am Tue 10 Dec 13

albionfan33 says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
When fit

TC
BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD
BRIDCUTT
INCE CROFTS
BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA

Team fit for promotion
i dont see why you would drop both barnes and conway who are both playing very well atm and would get in most championship sides
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion[/p][/quote]i dont see why you would drop both barnes and conway who are both playing very well atm and would get in most championship sides albionfan33

11:40am Tue 10 Dec 13

blueskiesfromnowon says...

Yes, Adam, "mindset" is the key word. Make sure those boys know it... We don't want another Black Tuesday, Barnsleygate, Amexyville Horror, not a week before Christmas!
Yes, Adam, "mindset" is the key word. Make sure those boys know it... We don't want another Black Tuesday, Barnsleygate, Amexyville Horror, not a week before Christmas! blueskiesfromnowon

11:45am Tue 10 Dec 13

Aldrington Halt says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
A tad too much pessimism on this thread so far. We have our deficiencies, some of which have been highlighted above, but so does every other club in this division - hence the roller coaster results every week. The standard in the championship gets talked up but for me, there is no really good stand out team. No two teams are going to run away with it at the top. As an example, QPR and Reading showing signs of going off the boil. I'm quitely optimistic.
There's a rash of Palace fans who seem to have nothing better to do than come on here in not so clever disguise and try to dampen the enthusiasm of genuine Albion fans..I'll be glad if we don't get promoted if only for the fact that we'll get to thrash their sorry arses when they come crashing down UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: A tad too much pessimism on this thread so far. We have our deficiencies, some of which have been highlighted above, but so does every other club in this division - hence the roller coaster results every week. The standard in the championship gets talked up but for me, there is no really good stand out team. No two teams are going to run away with it at the top. As an example, QPR and Reading showing signs of going off the boil. I'm quitely optimistic.[/p][/quote]There's a rash of Palace fans who seem to have nothing better to do than come on here in not so clever disguise and try to dampen the enthusiasm of genuine Albion fans..I'll be glad if we don't get promoted if only for the fact that we'll get to thrash their sorry arses when they come crashing down UTA!! Aldrington Halt

11:53am Tue 10 Dec 13

Aldrington Halt says...

I share your optimism Wiseman! Oscar seems to have a no BS approach and working towards every game individually will concentrate our efforts to win to the max and by the time we look up at the table for strategic purposes come spring, hopefully we'll be looking down!! UTA
I share your optimism Wiseman! Oscar seems to have a no BS approach and working towards every game individually will concentrate our efforts to win to the max and by the time we look up at the table for strategic purposes come spring, hopefully we'll be looking down!! UTA Aldrington Halt

12:21pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Sheil says...

Very good post Gee Jay.

I think Oscar is a very intelligent man-maybe he doesn't say much in his interviews, but I do like his philosophy & feel we are in very good hands.
Very good post Gee Jay. I think Oscar is a very intelligent man-maybe he doesn't say much in his interviews, but I do like his philosophy & feel we are in very good hands. Sheil

12:48pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Uckfield Seagull says...

albionfan33 wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote: When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion
i dont see why you would drop both barnes and conway who are both playing very well atm and would get in most championship sides
Barnes doing okay but wont win you promotion and Conway leaving ?
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion[/p][/quote]i dont see why you would drop both barnes and conway who are both playing very well atm and would get in most championship sides[/p][/quote]Barnes doing okay but wont win you promotion and Conway leaving ? Uckfield Seagull

1:23pm Tue 10 Dec 13

fairweathersupporter says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
I think he's right t talk our chances down - frankly I don't think we're any where near good enough. Bournemouth ran through our defence seemingly at will, our aged defenders simply can't catch speedy wingers. The same thing was apparent against Leicester and only some smart saves from Brez bagged us the three points. The Bridcutt/ince defensive midfield pairing looks very effective and Crofts is having his best season yet but Kaz, Buckley and Orlandi are all highly injury prone and Spanish Dave wildly inconsistent which gives the midfield a certain incoherence. Barnes can't be faulted for effort and is scoring regularly now but other clubs leading the race have forwards into double figures already. Maybe Ulloa will fire up the attack when he returns but will he still be here after January?
Whilst i do not think that we are certs for promotion, we arguably have a slightly stronger side than last season. The heart of the defence has always lacked pace and i do not believe that Greer and Upson are significantly slower than last season. Ward is an adequate replacement for Bridge. The defence as a whole ( i include the keeper in the defence) has consistently been among the best in the division. Yes, this is partly down to the way we play. But when was the last time we got thumped? West Ham away a couple of years ago? Possession football and smart passing are a trait i wish to see continue under OG. Our slip ups this season (and not forgetting the ones last season as well) are mainly down to lack of punch (relating to our tactics and the ability of our players to effectively implement them), which is partly due to our cautious passing style (apparently more adventurous under OG but all i have seen thus far is some careless thumps up the field and rushed missed passes; but i am a patient chap..).
For what it's worth, i agree with your individual assessment of our midfielders and forwards but incoherent is a little harsh. On occasion, maybe but as a rule the midfield has been stronger and more resilient than the corresponding period last year. I am not going to get carried away with the result and performance against Leicester, I have the Barnsley game fresh in my mind. But we are better than you think but not as good as we need to be.
Also you don't need a twenty goal forward to get to the play offs (i know it helps but look at Burnley last season and us last season; who got to the play offs and who had the prolific striker?) Talking of which, Ulloa hit us running last season and hopefully will when he returns at roughly the same point this season (barring his earlier cameos). I can't see him being anyone's target in Janauary after just returning form a long injury. Maybe in the summer when he's proved once again what a good finisher he is. If we are going to lose anyone, it will be Bridders.
All in all we are equipped for a top six finish on the return of the missing few. Anyone going will be replaced. Whilst brand Bloom would not admit to any lack of ambition, I do not see any sign of it at the moment. Unless of course you want to throw caution to the wind and spend, spend, spend. Which would of course be rather reckless. Speculation to administration...
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: I think he's right t talk our chances down - frankly I don't think we're any where near good enough. Bournemouth ran through our defence seemingly at will, our aged defenders simply can't catch speedy wingers. The same thing was apparent against Leicester and only some smart saves from Brez bagged us the three points. The Bridcutt/ince defensive midfield pairing looks very effective and Crofts is having his best season yet but Kaz, Buckley and Orlandi are all highly injury prone and Spanish Dave wildly inconsistent which gives the midfield a certain incoherence. Barnes can't be faulted for effort and is scoring regularly now but other clubs leading the race have forwards into double figures already. Maybe Ulloa will fire up the attack when he returns but will he still be here after January?[/p][/quote]Whilst i do not think that we are certs for promotion, we arguably have a slightly stronger side than last season. The heart of the defence has always lacked pace and i do not believe that Greer and Upson are significantly slower than last season. Ward is an adequate replacement for Bridge. The defence as a whole ( i include the keeper in the defence) has consistently been among the best in the division. Yes, this is partly down to the way we play. But when was the last time we got thumped? West Ham away a couple of years ago? Possession football and smart passing are a trait i wish to see continue under OG. Our slip ups this season (and not forgetting the ones last season as well) are mainly down to lack of punch (relating to our tactics and the ability of our players to effectively implement them), which is partly due to our cautious passing style (apparently more adventurous under OG but all i have seen thus far is some careless thumps up the field and rushed missed passes; but i am a patient chap..). For what it's worth, i agree with your individual assessment of our midfielders and forwards but incoherent is a little harsh. On occasion, maybe but as a rule the midfield has been stronger and more resilient than the corresponding period last year. I am not going to get carried away with the result and performance against Leicester, I have the Barnsley game fresh in my mind. But we are better than you think but not as good as we need to be. Also you don't need a twenty goal forward to get to the play offs (i know it helps but look at Burnley last season and us last season; who got to the play offs and who had the prolific striker?) Talking of which, Ulloa hit us running last season and hopefully will when he returns at roughly the same point this season (barring his earlier cameos). I can't see him being anyone's target in Janauary after just returning form a long injury. Maybe in the summer when he's proved once again what a good finisher he is. If we are going to lose anyone, it will be Bridders. All in all we are equipped for a top six finish on the return of the missing few. Anyone going will be replaced. Whilst brand Bloom would not admit to any lack of ambition, I do not see any sign of it at the moment. Unless of course you want to throw caution to the wind and spend, spend, spend. Which would of course be rather reckless. Speculation to administration... fairweathersupporter

1:25pm Tue 10 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Just two points adrift of where we were this time last year, considering that there hasn't been a week where we have not had at least four important players out injured, I would say that's pretty darn good.
We all talk of how tough it would be if Ulloa and Bridcutt were to transfer out, but we have not really had either of them this season and look at where we are. Very often something good comes from something bad, Crofts goals, the emergence of Ince and JFC, and the attitude adjustment that seems to have come over Barnes, are all directly related to the absence of so many key players.

Taking all things into consideration, this season, so far, has been a good one. Oscar is right to try and keep the players focused on nothing but the next match, day dreaming about promotion is for us the fans, not the players. Middlesbrough away will not be easy, we will need to be on our game, but these days all the opposing teams will look at us and be concerned. We are fortunate in so much as, our team is getting stronger because we have quality players returning from injury, we don't have to buy players for a push for promotion, we have them already.

The club as a whole is in a good place right now, we have a good squad, our crowd numbers are excellent and Barber has seen to it that we will be FFP compliant. Our new facility is starting to take shape and I would guess that the hotel expansion, and associated developments, plans are moving forward. This is a good time to be a Brighton supporter.
Just two points adrift of where we were this time last year, considering that there hasn't been a week where we have not had at least four important players out injured, I would say that's pretty darn good. We all talk of how tough it would be if Ulloa and Bridcutt were to transfer out, but we have not really had either of them this season and look at where we are. Very often something good comes from something bad, Crofts goals, the emergence of Ince and JFC, and the attitude adjustment that seems to have come over Barnes, are all directly related to the absence of so many key players. Taking all things into consideration, this season, so far, has been a good one. Oscar is right to try and keep the players focused on nothing but the next match, day dreaming about promotion is for us the fans, not the players. Middlesbrough away will not be easy, we will need to be on our game, but these days all the opposing teams will look at us and be concerned. We are fortunate in so much as, our team is getting stronger because we have quality players returning from injury, we don't have to buy players for a push for promotion, we have them already. The club as a whole is in a good place right now, we have a good squad, our crowd numbers are excellent and Barber has seen to it that we will be FFP compliant. Our new facility is starting to take shape and I would guess that the hotel expansion, and associated developments, plans are moving forward. This is a good time to be a Brighton supporter. VegasSeagull

1:40pm Tue 10 Dec 13

mrgull says...

Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat
Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat mrgull

1:57pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mrgull wrote:
Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat
Shooee?
[quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat[/p][/quote]Shooee? Ex-pat Arnie

2:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

mrgull wrote:
Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat
If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.
[quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat[/p][/quote]If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem. VegasSeagull

2:32pm Tue 10 Dec 13

albionbloke says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Idiot albionbloke

2:38pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mrgull wrote:
Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat
If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.
I just don't get everyone who is still having a go at Barnes. He scored the first "but it was a tap in". He scored his second "but it was a poor penalty". (By that measure Eric Cantona rarely took a 'good penalty', but they almost all went in.)

Someone on here was having a go recently about a Barnes goal against Blackburn that was a tap-in when the keeper spilled it. He didn't seem to think it important that Barnes was the only player who was in the right place to react. "I could of scored that", says an obese armchair fan shoving a burger down his throat and choking on his appalling grammar. Yes, maybe, but would you have managed to get there ahead of the defender or recovering keeper?

Barnes haters will always hate Barnes - it is what they do. They don't need a reason or evidence, just their own myopic opinion of what a striker should be.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat[/p][/quote]If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.[/p][/quote]I just don't get everyone who is still having a go at Barnes. He scored the first "but it was a tap in". He scored his second "but it was a poor penalty". (By that measure Eric Cantona rarely took a 'good penalty', but they almost all went in.) Someone on here was having a go recently about a Barnes goal against Blackburn that was a tap-in when the keeper spilled it. He didn't seem to think it important that Barnes was the only player who was in the right place to react. "I could of scored that", says an obese armchair fan shoving a burger down his throat and choking on his appalling grammar. Yes, maybe, but would you have managed to get there ahead of the defender or recovering keeper? Barnes haters will always hate Barnes - it is what they do. They don't need a reason or evidence, just their own myopic opinion of what a striker should be. Ex-pat Arnie

2:45pm Tue 10 Dec 13

OldGull says...

albionfan33 wrote:
its a shame santa wont use these trolls to pull his sledge
Yes , but they would pull in the wrong direction
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: its a shame santa wont use these trolls to pull his sledge[/p][/quote]Yes , but they would pull in the wrong direction OldGull

2:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

albionfan33 says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote: When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion
i dont see why you would drop both barnes and conway who are both playing very well atm and would get in most championship sides
Barnes doing okay but wont win you promotion and Conway leaving ?
im expecting conway to be back his delivery is getting better along with his understanding of the players around him barnes is doing much better than ok. for his workrate alone he would get in my team
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion[/p][/quote]i dont see why you would drop both barnes and conway who are both playing very well atm and would get in most championship sides[/p][/quote]Barnes doing okay but wont win you promotion and Conway leaving ?[/p][/quote]im expecting conway to be back his delivery is getting better along with his understanding of the players around him barnes is doing much better than ok. for his workrate alone he would get in my team albionfan33

3:08pm Tue 10 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mrgull wrote:
Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat
If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.
I just don't get everyone who is still having a go at Barnes. He scored the first "but it was a tap in". He scored his second "but it was a poor penalty". (By that measure Eric Cantona rarely took a 'good penalty', but they almost all went in.)

Someone on here was having a go recently about a Barnes goal against Blackburn that was a tap-in when the keeper spilled it. He didn't seem to think it important that Barnes was the only player who was in the right place to react. "I could of scored that", says an obese armchair fan shoving a burger down his throat and choking on his appalling grammar. Yes, maybe, but would you have managed to get there ahead of the defender or recovering keeper?

Barnes haters will always hate Barnes - it is what they do. They don't need a reason or evidence, just their own myopic opinion of what a striker should be.
Arnie some people just have to have a moan, be it taking a cheap shot at Barnes or having a pop at Oscar over his team selections, it's just what they do.
Every now and then you will see some one put their hands up and say that they got it wrong, just as Hovite did yesterday, but generally that aint gonna happen.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat[/p][/quote]If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.[/p][/quote]I just don't get everyone who is still having a go at Barnes. He scored the first "but it was a tap in". He scored his second "but it was a poor penalty". (By that measure Eric Cantona rarely took a 'good penalty', but they almost all went in.) Someone on here was having a go recently about a Barnes goal against Blackburn that was a tap-in when the keeper spilled it. He didn't seem to think it important that Barnes was the only player who was in the right place to react. "I could of scored that", says an obese armchair fan shoving a burger down his throat and choking on his appalling grammar. Yes, maybe, but would you have managed to get there ahead of the defender or recovering keeper? Barnes haters will always hate Barnes - it is what they do. They don't need a reason or evidence, just their own myopic opinion of what a striker should be.[/p][/quote]Arnie some people just have to have a moan, be it taking a cheap shot at Barnes or having a pop at Oscar over his team selections, it's just what they do. Every now and then you will see some one put their hands up and say that they got it wrong, just as Hovite did yesterday, but generally that aint gonna happen. VegasSeagull

3:31pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

albionbloke wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.
Idiot
Whether you choose to accept the truth is up to you, but it is still the truth. What we should be doing collectively is demanding more from the powers that be, we all want to see the big boys of the premier league play at the Amex and have glory away days at old Trafford, emirates, anfield etc, instead of the likes of the keepmoat stadium and huish park. We are a few signings away from making that a reality and the non spending policy is hampering us in the long run.
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Whether you choose to accept the truth is up to you, but it is still the truth. What we should be doing collectively is demanding more from the powers that be, we all want to see the big boys of the premier league play at the Amex and have glory away days at old Trafford, emirates, anfield etc, instead of the likes of the keepmoat stadium and huish park. We are a few signings away from making that a reality and the non spending policy is hampering us in the long run. Thewithdeanyears

3:38pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Brighton Bill says...

albionfan33 wrote:
its a shame santa wont use these trolls to pull his sledge
I agree, they are really saddo Bomo or Twatford fans.
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: its a shame santa wont use these trolls to pull his sledge[/p][/quote]I agree, they are really saddo Bomo or Twatford fans. Brighton Bill

3:59pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Joel'sGrandad says...

Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA Joel'sGrandad

4:51pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Tommy11 says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are.

I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me?

People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA[/p][/quote]Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are. I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me? People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that. Tommy11

4:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

OldGull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mrgull wrote:
Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat
If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.
I just don't get everyone who is still having a go at Barnes. He scored the first "but it was a tap in". He scored his second "but it was a poor penalty". (By that measure Eric Cantona rarely took a 'good penalty', but they almost all went in.)

Someone on here was having a go recently about a Barnes goal against Blackburn that was a tap-in when the keeper spilled it. He didn't seem to think it important that Barnes was the only player who was in the right place to react. "I could of scored that", says an obese armchair fan shoving a burger down his throat and choking on his appalling grammar. Yes, maybe, but would you have managed to get there ahead of the defender or recovering keeper?

Barnes haters will always hate Barnes - it is what they do. They don't need a reason or evidence, just their own myopic opinion of what a striker should be.
Well said Arnie, they are probably the same people who do not appreciate how much money TB has put into the club and complain that he is tight fisted because he will not splash millions left right and centre to reach the premier.

One of my fave players was Fred Binney and he spent his life in the 6 yard box
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: Please Mr Match officials can we have our next penalty kick when spanish Dave is still on.Or can Oscar train another penalty taker in the fine art of taking the kick.Without a doubt Barnes is a worker but he does worry me when he steps up to take the kick.As a matter of interest how many games are won or lost on missed penalties,I know the last one if shooee had stood still it would have gone straight down his throat[/p][/quote]If you read what Barnes has to say about the penalty kick, he tells of how he saw the keeper commit his dive a tad early and that he then changed his own mind as to where he would place the kick. A split second decision that worked, I don't see the problem.[/p][/quote]I just don't get everyone who is still having a go at Barnes. He scored the first "but it was a tap in". He scored his second "but it was a poor penalty". (By that measure Eric Cantona rarely took a 'good penalty', but they almost all went in.) Someone on here was having a go recently about a Barnes goal against Blackburn that was a tap-in when the keeper spilled it. He didn't seem to think it important that Barnes was the only player who was in the right place to react. "I could of scored that", says an obese armchair fan shoving a burger down his throat and choking on his appalling grammar. Yes, maybe, but would you have managed to get there ahead of the defender or recovering keeper? Barnes haters will always hate Barnes - it is what they do. They don't need a reason or evidence, just their own myopic opinion of what a striker should be.[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie, they are probably the same people who do not appreciate how much money TB has put into the club and complain that he is tight fisted because he will not splash millions left right and centre to reach the premier. One of my fave players was Fred Binney and he spent his life in the 6 yard box OldGull

5:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

golddene says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are.

I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me?

People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.
No Wardie or Mr Murray ???
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA[/p][/quote]Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are. I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me? People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.[/p][/quote]No Wardie or Mr Murray ??? golddene

5:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
When fit

TC
BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD
BRIDCUTT
INCE CROFTS
BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA

Team fit for promotion
Did not realise top cat was playing for us. Quite like the team and cover with conway, orlandi, march, barnes and cms cannot be bad if we sign conway that is
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: When fit TC BRUNO GREER UPSON WARD BRIDCUTT INCE CROFTS BUCKLEY ULLOA LUA LUA Team fit for promotion[/p][/quote]Did not realise top cat was playing for us. Quite like the team and cover with conway, orlandi, march, barnes and cms cannot be bad if we sign conway that is bbb1969

6:03pm Tue 10 Dec 13

tonypulis says...

"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.
"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality. tonypulis

6:17pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are.

I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me?

People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.
I saw Barnes get a shot away with 3 boredmuff players around him and had 2 good touches before smashing a shot in. I have never rated Barnes but he is putting in a shift and scoring. If you watch how much hassle he gives the opposition defence and helps ours then you would rate him. Ok on games played Ulloa is class but I would always be happy with Barnes even if I am a so called Barnes hater. If he does a job thats good enough for me; take his goals away this season and we would be worried regardin our league position.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA[/p][/quote]Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are. I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me? People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.[/p][/quote]I saw Barnes get a shot away with 3 boredmuff players around him and had 2 good touches before smashing a shot in. I have never rated Barnes but he is putting in a shift and scoring. If you watch how much hassle he gives the opposition defence and helps ours then you would rate him. Ok on games played Ulloa is class but I would always be happy with Barnes even if I am a so called Barnes hater. If he does a job thats good enough for me; take his goals away this season and we would be worried regardin our league position. bbb1969

6:24pm Tue 10 Dec 13

oksouthstander says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Scored probably one of the classiest goals ever at Bournemouth and earn t us a point.He is always there or there-about in causing problems for opposing defenses and playing the Oscar way. Great buy from Plymouth...
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA[/p][/quote]Scored probably one of the classiest goals ever at Bournemouth and earn t us a point.He is always there or there-about in causing problems for opposing defenses and playing the Oscar way. Great buy from Plymouth... oksouthstander

6:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Ringmer Rich says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.
Idiot
Whether you choose to accept the truth is up to you, but it is still the truth. What we should be doing collectively is demanding more from the powers that be, we all want to see the big boys of the premier league play at the Amex and have glory away days at old Trafford, emirates, anfield etc, instead of the likes of the keepmoat stadium and huish park. We are a few signings away from making that a reality and the non spending policy is hampering us in the long run.
Are you going to invest the millions that would take?
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Whether you choose to accept the truth is up to you, but it is still the truth. What we should be doing collectively is demanding more from the powers that be, we all want to see the big boys of the premier league play at the Amex and have glory away days at old Trafford, emirates, anfield etc, instead of the likes of the keepmoat stadium and huish park. We are a few signings away from making that a reality and the non spending policy is hampering us in the long run.[/p][/quote]Are you going to invest the millions that would take? Ringmer Rich

6:57pm Tue 10 Dec 13

brightonup says...

tonypulis wrote:
"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.
The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'
Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: "We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.[/p][/quote]The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars' Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room? brightonup

7:50pm Tue 10 Dec 13

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.
The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'
Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?
Thats how Tony likes his football played, in the stars.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: "We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.[/p][/quote]The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars' Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?[/p][/quote]Thats how Tony likes his football played, in the stars. ringtone

8:00pm Tue 10 Dec 13

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.
The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'
Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?
You are so well red brightonup add a dash of blue and i think we have found the colours you gravitate towards.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: "We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.[/p][/quote]The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars' Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?[/p][/quote]You are so well red brightonup add a dash of blue and i think we have found the colours you gravitate towards. ringtone

8:02pm Tue 10 Dec 13

tonypulis says...

brightonup wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.
The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'
Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?
You lot are so competitive! I claim a 1-0 victory and will leave the current sign up, based on the fact that the Ivan Turgenev quote originates from his book 'Fathers and Sons' published in 1862. The Oscar Wilde quote originates from his play 'Lady Windermeres' Fan' written in 1892. I think that Oscar Wilde may have nicked it and made it his own. Good to see that another Oscar was also looking up to his peers ;) Getting a bit 'high brow' on this site. That will not please some Palace fans.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: "We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.[/p][/quote]The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars' Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?[/p][/quote]You lot are so competitive! I claim a 1-0 victory and will leave the current sign up, based on the fact that the Ivan Turgenev quote originates from his book 'Fathers and Sons' published in 1862. The Oscar Wilde quote originates from his play 'Lady Windermeres' Fan' written in 1892. I think that Oscar Wilde may have nicked it and made it his own. Good to see that another Oscar was also looking up to his peers ;) Getting a bit 'high brow' on this site. That will not please some Palace fans. tonypulis

9:26pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.
Idiot
Whether you choose to accept the truth is up to you, but it is still the truth. What we should be doing collectively is demanding more from the powers that be, we all want to see the big boys of the premier league play at the Amex and have glory away days at old Trafford, emirates, anfield etc, instead of the likes of the keepmoat stadium and huish park. We are a few signings away from making that a reality and the non spending policy is hampering us in the long run.
Are you going to invest the millions that would take?
We all have invested the millions, that's the point. Now it resides in the vaults under the Amex for bloom to deliberate over what to spend it on.
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Whether you choose to accept the truth is up to you, but it is still the truth. What we should be doing collectively is demanding more from the powers that be, we all want to see the big boys of the premier league play at the Amex and have glory away days at old Trafford, emirates, anfield etc, instead of the likes of the keepmoat stadium and huish park. We are a few signings away from making that a reality and the non spending policy is hampering us in the long run.[/p][/quote]Are you going to invest the millions that would take?[/p][/quote]We all have invested the millions, that's the point. Now it resides in the vaults under the Amex for bloom to deliberate over what to spend it on. Thewithdeanyears

9:58pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Joel'sGrandad says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are.

I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me?

People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.
Just because he wears no. 9 on his back doesn't mean he's a centre forward. He's currently filling in and playing out of position. This is the age of squad numbers and these numbers are purely to identify a player, not the position he plays. Keep up! UTA
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA[/p][/quote]Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are. I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me? People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.[/p][/quote]Just because he wears no. 9 on his back doesn't mean he's a centre forward. He's currently filling in and playing out of position. This is the age of squad numbers and these numbers are purely to identify a player, not the position he plays. Keep up! UTA Joel'sGrandad

11:51pm Tue 10 Dec 13

albion64 says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA
Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are.

I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me?

People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.
You are absolutely spot on. The only problem I have with him is his petulance. He has a temper and gives away silly free kicks in dangerous areas. Then of course getting himself sent off. This doesn't help the team. To his credit, he has stepped in for Ulloa and shown a more adult side. But he is never going to be in the same league as the strikers mentioned above. That is down to the club's funds, so we have what we have at the moment. For the prem' we are going to need someone with a decent goal ratio. I will keep doing the euro millions and buy a striker with my winnings. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes is great. OK he makes a few mistakes but he puts a shift in every game and scores his fair share of goals. It must be terrible for his detractors being so perfect all the time.UTA[/p][/quote]Putting in a shift does not make you a great player. Peter Smith put in a shift, and he lacked talent big time. It's just the way some players are. I am not a Barnes 'hater'. I don't have anything against the bloke, however I am always pleased when he is out the team - and I always will be! I know he scored a few goals lately...but that's his job isn't it? and in reality, for me as a number 9, he does not score enough. I just think there are othe players out there who could easily fill his position, players that we can get, who would do a hell lot more than him, and improve us as a team. That is my view on the matter, and im not going to change it -unless he starts bangin in 25-30 goals........but he won't! He has not got enough talent. He can't dribble with the ball, he is pants in the air, he falls over at every chance he gets - when was the last time he beat a player?? someone please tell me? People don't like this view, but that does not mean I don't know what im talking about.....I know when I see a good striker for the Albion - Nelson, Small, Byrne (yes he didn't score loads too!) Gall, Nogan, Zamora, Knight, Forster, Ulloa.....these are the strikers that do it for me....Barnes simply is not in this league, simple as that.[/p][/quote]You are absolutely spot on. The only problem I have with him is his petulance. He has a temper and gives away silly free kicks in dangerous areas. Then of course getting himself sent off. This doesn't help the team. To his credit, he has stepped in for Ulloa and shown a more adult side. But he is never going to be in the same league as the strikers mentioned above. That is down to the club's funds, so we have what we have at the moment. For the prem' we are going to need someone with a decent goal ratio. I will keep doing the euro millions and buy a striker with my winnings. UTA albion64

11:55pm Tue 10 Dec 13

albion64 says...

tonypulis wrote:
brightonup wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
"We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.
The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'
Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?
You lot are so competitive! I claim a 1-0 victory and will leave the current sign up, based on the fact that the Ivan Turgenev quote originates from his book 'Fathers and Sons' published in 1862. The Oscar Wilde quote originates from his play 'Lady Windermeres' Fan' written in 1892. I think that Oscar Wilde may have nicked it and made it his own. Good to see that another Oscar was also looking up to his peers ;) Getting a bit 'high brow' on this site. That will not please some Palace fans.
****
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: "We sit in the mud my friend and reach for the stars" - Ivan Turgenev. This quote inspired me so much that I have it in the home dressing room. Dreams can become reality.[/p][/quote]The quote originates from Oscar Wilde's 'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars' Maybe change it for the one you currently have in the Changing Room?[/p][/quote]You lot are so competitive! I claim a 1-0 victory and will leave the current sign up, based on the fact that the Ivan Turgenev quote originates from his book 'Fathers and Sons' published in 1862. The Oscar Wilde quote originates from his play 'Lady Windermeres' Fan' written in 1892. I think that Oscar Wilde may have nicked it and made it his own. Good to see that another Oscar was also looking up to his peers ;) Getting a bit 'high brow' on this site. That will not please some Palace fans.[/p][/quote]**** albion64

10:33am Wed 11 Dec 13

the taffster says...

albionbloke wrote:
Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.
Idiot
I agree,its there for the taking if we sign the right few players
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Once again, a real lack of ambition from the owners. Right now this championship is there for the taking, no one is racing away with it and everyones beating each other. 3 or 4 really good signings in January will probably secure promotion, but Bloom won't spend, so we are consigned to drift with the current, rudderless, for the foreseeable future.[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I agree,its there for the taking if we sign the right few players the taffster

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