Boro boss was fuming after Albion defeat

The Argus: Andrew Crofts in the thick of the action for Albion Andrew Crofts in the thick of the action for Albion

Middlesbrough manager Aitor Karank was fuming after Matt's Upson's late goal for Albion subjected his side to defeat.

He said: "Of course I am angry. We are giving gifts to our opponents in every game.

"I can't believe it. It is the same thing again. It is not normal to play so many games when you are probably better than your opponents but you do not get the points.

"It is always a lack of concentration. It cannot continue in this way. Here we are again after five games now saying the same things.

"All we can do is work hard. The biggest problem though is focus. My hope is that in the next games the players concentrate until the very last minute."

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11:01am Sun 15 Dec 13

mickagull says...

Oh he's not a very happy bunny is he. Thank you for the early Christmas present. Can't Waite for next weeks gift. Let's hope big Len will unwrap it for us.
Oh he's not a very happy bunny is he. Thank you for the early Christmas present. Can't Waite for next weeks gift. Let's hope big Len will unwrap it for us. mickagull

11:15am Sun 15 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

Love to hear a match summary from one of the travelling fans, hats off to you guys, long journey, but rewarded by three precious points.
Love to hear a match summary from one of the travelling fans, hats off to you guys, long journey, but rewarded by three precious points. Alfie T

11:19am Sun 15 Dec 13

steve seeagullls says...

It must be like playing in a graveyard up there massive ground with very few supporters thankfully we have the amazing amex with all its enthusiastic supporters UTA all the way to the premiership where our club and supporters belong
It must be like playing in a graveyard up there massive ground with very few supporters thankfully we have the amazing amex with all its enthusiastic supporters UTA all the way to the premiership where our club and supporters belong steve seeagullls

11:39am Sun 15 Dec 13

Ringmer Rich says...

It seems that we are receiving 'gifts' every game at the moment, according to the opposing managers. I didn't realise the other championship teams were so generous!
It seems that we are receiving 'gifts' every game at the moment, according to the opposing managers. I didn't realise the other championship teams were so generous! Ringmer Rich

12:16pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Gee Jay says...

Well said Ringmer.
It must be frustrating for the guy, anyway I thought the Kankies were in pantomime north of the border, it's no wonder the guy is a tad divered t the moment.
Well said Ringmer. It must be frustrating for the guy, anyway I thought the Kankies were in pantomime north of the border, it's no wonder the guy is a tad divered t the moment. Gee Jay

12:30pm Sun 15 Dec 13

nkwbtn says...

We have been guilty of giving gifts too (Barnsley had two) so its understandable that he is frustrated.

A good sign though that we are grinding out results in games when we are not really in full flow and well done those fans that made that long trip - we are as proud of you as we are our fine team.
We have been guilty of giving gifts too (Barnsley had two) so its understandable that he is frustrated. A good sign though that we are grinding out results in games when we are not really in full flow and well done those fans that made that long trip - we are as proud of you as we are our fine team. nkwbtn

12:39pm Sun 15 Dec 13

saraman says...

Would like to see M'brough picking up lots of points now against our play-off rivals. According to one poster on their equivalent of The Argus, their manager has the same philosphy as Oscar and things will gradually come together. It's just that Oscar has had a bit longer to perfect his way of playing he adds.
Would like to see M'brough picking up lots of points now against our play-off rivals. According to one poster on their equivalent of The Argus, their manager has the same philosphy as Oscar and things will gradually come together. It's just that Oscar has had a bit longer to perfect his way of playing he adds. saraman

1:14pm Sun 15 Dec 13

The Phantom says...

All goals that are conceded are gifts, all goals that are scored are great goals - gets a bit laughable nowadays to hear managers in general claiming that every goal they concede is a "soft" or "bad" goal. If there were no soft or bad goals, every game would end 0-0.....I suspect the crowds might go down though.
All goals that are conceded are gifts, all goals that are scored are great goals - gets a bit laughable nowadays to hear managers in general claiming that every goal they concede is a "soft" or "bad" goal. If there were no soft or bad goals, every game would end 0-0.....I suspect the crowds might go down though. The Phantom

2:28pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Brighton Bill says...

Why don't they just admit they were outplayed, all we are hearing is gift goals, what rubbish, another well deseved win, lots of good effort by our boys, good to see Ulloa for ten minutes.. We had Tony Bloom on our train on the way back, talking to him he was a very happy man. Also on the Platform was a young Boro Fan wearing Barnes signed Shirt with his friend wearing Dunk's. Radio Sussex Yorkshire Bill.
Why don't they just admit they were outplayed, all we are hearing is gift goals, what rubbish, another well deseved win, lots of good effort by our boys, good to see Ulloa for ten minutes.. We had Tony Bloom on our train on the way back, talking to him he was a very happy man. Also on the Platform was a young Boro Fan wearing Barnes signed Shirt with his friend wearing Dunk's. Radio Sussex Yorkshire Bill. Brighton Bill

2:29pm Sun 15 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings.

On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get.

On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract.

Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United.
If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over.

The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up.

To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.
I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings. On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get. On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract. Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United. If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over. The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up. To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did. VegasSeagull

6:05pm Sun 15 Dec 13

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings.

On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get.

On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract.

Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United.
If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over.

The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up.

To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.
And why not?

The law of averages has no effect on you posting your boring sermons every five minutes.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings. On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get. On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract. Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United. If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over. The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up. To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.[/p][/quote]And why not? The law of averages has no effect on you posting your boring sermons every five minutes. ringtone

6:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings.

On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get.

On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract.

Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United.
If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over.

The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up.

To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.
And why not?

The law of averages has no effect on you posting your boring sermons every five minutes.
Well at least the crap I offer up opens the door for an exchange of views, the BS you constantly proffer is just a feeble attempt to show us how clever you are, AND YOU EVEN FAIL AT THAT
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings. On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get. On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract. Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United. If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over. The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up. To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.[/p][/quote]And why not? The law of averages has no effect on you posting your boring sermons every five minutes.[/p][/quote]Well at least the crap I offer up opens the door for an exchange of views, the BS you constantly proffer is just a feeble attempt to show us how clever you are, AND YOU EVEN FAIL AT THAT VegasSeagull

6:23pm Sun 15 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings.

On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get.

On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract.

Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United.
If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over.

The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up.

To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.
The whole point of joining a premiership club is two fold,
1) they get that chance to prove themselves, ( when dumped by Chelsea he must have wondered about him staying in the game.
2) he will get a contract of 40k a week.. Probably on a three year deal...which takes him to 27 years of age or about 6 million in wages over that period.
What needs to happen is the Albion step into the transfer market and prove we are genuine contenders for promotion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings. On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get. On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract. Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United. If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over. The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up. To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.[/p][/quote]The whole point of joining a premiership club is two fold, 1) they get that chance to prove themselves, ( when dumped by Chelsea he must have wondered about him staying in the game. 2) he will get a contract of 40k a week.. Probably on a three year deal...which takes him to 27 years of age or about 6 million in wages over that period. What needs to happen is the Albion step into the transfer market and prove we are genuine contenders for promotion. mark by the sea

6:34pm Sun 15 Dec 13

LAWgull says...

You can call me mad But end of season can see QPR AND BURNLEY (TOP two at the moment slipping away ) my prediction for the final top six places in particular order is Leicester Notts Forest Brighton Derby Reading Leeds
You can call me mad But end of season can see QPR AND BURNLEY (TOP two at the moment slipping away ) my prediction for the final top six places in particular order is Leicester Notts Forest Brighton Derby Reading Leeds LAWgull

6:39pm Sun 15 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

Just got back after a heavy night last night; luckily I stopped with family I have in the north east. So yesterday was a great battling win; Barnes should have scored but hit the post. Llopez was out of the game again and crofts was kept busy in midfield. Ince had a bit of a less effective display but thats cos I have high expectations of him. A real battle of a game with Upson and Conway and El Abd the star performers. Bridders is getting there and got a couple of good blocks in. Dissappointing for me was Lopez and KLL; He could have put Ulloa in with a simple cross but didn't and at 1-0 we needed the 2nd goal. A bit on tenderhooks but battled for the win and got the 3 points; you have all probably seen the highlights now anyway. Brez was decent in the air and my heart was in my mouth a couple of times but he did collect the high balls well. Wasn't that impressed with Crofts today; he did battle well and had his hands full but I feel it needed a bit of flare like Orlandi gor the 2nd half. Good result and not a draw.
Just got back after a heavy night last night; luckily I stopped with family I have in the north east. So yesterday was a great battling win; Barnes should have scored but hit the post. Llopez was out of the game again and crofts was kept busy in midfield. Ince had a bit of a less effective display but thats cos I have high expectations of him. A real battle of a game with Upson and Conway and El Abd the star performers. Bridders is getting there and got a couple of good blocks in. Dissappointing for me was Lopez and KLL; He could have put Ulloa in with a simple cross but didn't and at 1-0 we needed the 2nd goal. A bit on tenderhooks but battled for the win and got the 3 points; you have all probably seen the highlights now anyway. Brez was decent in the air and my heart was in my mouth a couple of times but he did collect the high balls well. Wasn't that impressed with Crofts today; he did battle well and had his hands full but I feel it needed a bit of flare like Orlandi gor the 2nd half. Good result and not a draw. bbb1969

6:50pm Sun 15 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

LAWgull wrote:
You can call me mad But end of season can see QPR AND BURNLEY (TOP two at the moment slipping away ) my prediction for the final top six places in particular order is Leicester Notts Forest Brighton Derby Reading Leeds
Burnley I agree will not be there, and the 6 you name will be, QPR or Leicester will win the league. I still think we need one or two players, creative midfielder, and another forward on loan till cms is ready to play.
[quote][p][bold]LAWgull[/bold] wrote: You can call me mad But end of season can see QPR AND BURNLEY (TOP two at the moment slipping away ) my prediction for the final top six places in particular order is Leicester Notts Forest Brighton Derby Reading Leeds[/p][/quote]Burnley I agree will not be there, and the 6 you name will be, QPR or Leicester will win the league. I still think we need one or two players, creative midfielder, and another forward on loan till cms is ready to play. mark by the sea

6:50pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Mr karankia has at least shown a bit of passion and a fire in the belly, Oscar please take note......
Mr karankia has at least shown a bit of passion and a fire in the belly, Oscar please take note...... Thewithdeanyears

8:23pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Vince says...

Joining the debate about Conway:-

Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season.

Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form.

I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since.

Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!!

It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?
Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager? Vince

8:37pm Sun 15 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Vince wrote:
Joining the debate about Conway:-

Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season.

Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form.

I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since.

Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!!

It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?
Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?[/p][/quote]Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June. mark by the sea

9:27pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Vince says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Vince wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?
Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.
We reportedly turned Burnley's offer of 500k for Barnes down in the last window - so I would have thought £100k is a touch on the low side. If a club wants him that much in January we should hold out for £500k minimum.

In any case Barnes may be hoping for a new contract with us - especially after the crowd chanted his name at the Leicester match! I think he will want to stay and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to offer him a 1 year contract - whether this will happen before or after the play-offs is a matter for Oscar and bloom to decide.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?[/p][/quote]Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.[/p][/quote]We reportedly turned Burnley's offer of 500k for Barnes down in the last window - so I would have thought £100k is a touch on the low side. If a club wants him that much in January we should hold out for £500k minimum. In any case Barnes may be hoping for a new contract with us - especially after the crowd chanted his name at the Leicester match! I think he will want to stay and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to offer him a 1 year contract - whether this will happen before or after the play-offs is a matter for Oscar and bloom to decide. Vince

9:29pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Brighton Bill says...

Alfie T wrote:
Love to hear a match summary from one of the travelling fans, hats off to you guys, long journey, but rewarded by three precious points.
Alfie although you were not there you were there in spirit that is good enough mate, it was great and well deserved, Tony Bloom was on my train back to L**ds and a very happy man, Craig Conway has Twittered some very nice words about Brighton and the Fans. We are rolling along nicely. Brighton Bill or Radio Sussex Yorkshire Bill.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Love to hear a match summary from one of the travelling fans, hats off to you guys, long journey, but rewarded by three precious points.[/p][/quote]Alfie although you were not there you were there in spirit that is good enough mate, it was great and well deserved, Tony Bloom was on my train back to L**ds and a very happy man, Craig Conway has Twittered some very nice words about Brighton and the Fans. We are rolling along nicely. Brighton Bill or Radio Sussex Yorkshire Bill. Brighton Bill

10:01pm Sun 15 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Vince wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Vince wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?
Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.
We reportedly turned Burnley's offer of 500k for Barnes down in the last window - so I would have thought £100k is a touch on the low side. If a club wants him that much in January we should hold out for £500k minimum.

In any case Barnes may be hoping for a new contract with us - especially after the crowd chanted his name at the Leicester match! I think he will want to stay and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to offer him a 1 year contract - whether this will happen before or after the play-offs is a matter for Oscar and bloom to decide.
Players only interest is wages and hello payments, unless him going in jan means he will be better off then walking in June, then he will sign, the club can accept 1m for him... But Barnes can turn down the move, and his agent can negotiate a big hello payment. That's why Murray went to palace! My bet is ulloa leaving in the summer, and Murray rejoining.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?[/p][/quote]Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.[/p][/quote]We reportedly turned Burnley's offer of 500k for Barnes down in the last window - so I would have thought £100k is a touch on the low side. If a club wants him that much in January we should hold out for £500k minimum. In any case Barnes may be hoping for a new contract with us - especially after the crowd chanted his name at the Leicester match! I think he will want to stay and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to offer him a 1 year contract - whether this will happen before or after the play-offs is a matter for Oscar and bloom to decide.[/p][/quote]Players only interest is wages and hello payments, unless him going in jan means he will be better off then walking in June, then he will sign, the club can accept 1m for him... But Barnes can turn down the move, and his agent can negotiate a big hello payment. That's why Murray went to palace! My bet is ulloa leaving in the summer, and Murray rejoining. mark by the sea

10:17pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Vince says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Vince wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Vince wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?
Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.
We reportedly turned Burnley's offer of 500k for Barnes down in the last window - so I would have thought £100k is a touch on the low side. If a club wants him that much in January we should hold out for £500k minimum. In any case Barnes may be hoping for a new contract with us - especially after the crowd chanted his name at the Leicester match! I think he will want to stay and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to offer him a 1 year contract - whether this will happen before or after the play-offs is a matter for Oscar and bloom to decide.
Players only interest is wages and hello payments, unless him going in jan means he will be better off then walking in June, then he will sign, the club can accept 1m for him... But Barnes can turn down the move, and his agent can negotiate a big hello payment. That's why Murray went to palace! My bet is ulloa leaving in the summer, and Murray rejoining.
Ulloa going in the summer as a swap for Murray would be a retrogade step IMHO, and surely hinges on which division we're in next season. If Ulloa hits form in 2nd half of season and we win promotion we would be silly to sell him. To do so would be ludicrous unless we got at least £8m. Playing in the Premiership with us could double his value - and we could then cash in if one of the big 5 stepped in with an offer we couldn't refuse. Murray will be 32 by then and definitely in the last stages of his career (like Grant Holt who was well-overpriced at £4m by Norwich - who must have been delighted when Wigan were willing to fork out this sum).
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Joining the debate about Conway:- Whilst Conway would be a very ueful acquisiion it all depends on how much Cardiff want for him. I think in Orlandi, Ince, Agustien and Lopez we have quality in midfield. Lua Lua can also play a great role breaking from midfield like he did against Leicester when he subbed Lopez and Barnes often drops back to help out. Add Crofts to the mix and we have a lot of options. As for forward options we have Ulloa, CMS, Barnes as strikers, and Buckley and Lua Lua as well as Orlandi can push up on the flanks. Orlandi in particular provided many of the crosses for Ulloa's goals last season. Conway has been a great loan player, but our future rests on the above-mentioned players. If we buy him, Oscar will be under pressure to play him and he may have too many options. Some of the long absentees might struggle to get back into the team. The same goes for Lita - a player who could have played an important role but was kept out by Barnes improved form. I thought Agusien was the best player on the field when he came on against Barnsley - and oozed know-how with his creative passing. If Buckley had played the obvious pass when through on goal, Agustien would have had a tap in - and he showed his annoyance. However, suddenly Lopez produces the goods and Agustien hasn't had a look in since. Clearly Oscar knows most of his players by now, and is in the best position to decide the team formation and rotation, but even he must lie awake at night turning over all the possible permutations in his mind!!! It's clear that all message boarders have their own likes and dislikes;- those who love or hate Barnes and Lopez! Who would be a manager?[/p][/quote]Conway has 6 months left on his contract, so Cardiff can't ask a lot, same as Barnes we won't get more than 100k for him if we were lucky, I suspect Conway will come back on loan till end of season- if a deal for a contract can be sorted come June.[/p][/quote]We reportedly turned Burnley's offer of 500k for Barnes down in the last window - so I would have thought £100k is a touch on the low side. If a club wants him that much in January we should hold out for £500k minimum. In any case Barnes may be hoping for a new contract with us - especially after the crowd chanted his name at the Leicester match! I think he will want to stay and it wouldn't surprise me if we were to offer him a 1 year contract - whether this will happen before or after the play-offs is a matter for Oscar and bloom to decide.[/p][/quote]Players only interest is wages and hello payments, unless him going in jan means he will be better off then walking in June, then he will sign, the club can accept 1m for him... But Barnes can turn down the move, and his agent can negotiate a big hello payment. That's why Murray went to palace! My bet is ulloa leaving in the summer, and Murray rejoining.[/p][/quote]Ulloa going in the summer as a swap for Murray would be a retrogade step IMHO, and surely hinges on which division we're in next season. If Ulloa hits form in 2nd half of season and we win promotion we would be silly to sell him. To do so would be ludicrous unless we got at least £8m. Playing in the Premiership with us could double his value - and we could then cash in if one of the big 5 stepped in with an offer we couldn't refuse. Murray will be 32 by then and definitely in the last stages of his career (like Grant Holt who was well-overpriced at £4m by Norwich - who must have been delighted when Wigan were willing to fork out this sum). Vince

10:19pm Sun 15 Dec 13

OldGull says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Mr karankia has at least shown a bit of passion and a fire in the belly, Oscar please take note......
Good evening Dick
Glad to see you are posting the same pointless garbage.
You are without doubt the worst troll on this site
Congratulations.
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Mr karankia has at least shown a bit of passion and a fire in the belly, Oscar please take note......[/p][/quote]Good evening Dick Glad to see you are posting the same pointless garbage. You are without doubt the worst troll on this site Congratulations. OldGull

10:31pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears. says...

Oscar dosnt need passion, look at all those managers that have it that are complete and utter bankers. Keep calm, win games and that is all that matters. I dont want a banker as a manager they just embarras you. In Osacar we will prosper, UTA
Oscar dosnt need passion, look at all those managers that have it that are complete and utter bankers. Keep calm, win games and that is all that matters. I dont want a banker as a manager they just embarras you. In Osacar we will prosper, UTA Thewithdeanyears.

12:33am Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Murray rejoining... he's not as good as what we have already and has a serious knee injury.

And not all players think only in terms of money - some of them are actually interested in having a nice life. Players already earn enough to want for nothing - an extra couple of grand will make literally no difference. There is much more to consider than just the amount of zeroes on the end of your bank balance.
Murray rejoining... he's not as good as what we have already and has a serious knee injury. And not all players think only in terms of money - some of them are actually interested in having a nice life. Players already earn enough to want for nothing - an extra couple of grand will make literally no difference. There is much more to consider than just the amount of zeroes on the end of your bank balance. Ex-pat Arnie

3:19am Mon 16 Dec 13

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings.

On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get.

On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract.

Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United.
If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over.

The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up.

To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.
The whole point of joining a premiership club is two fold,
1) they get that chance to prove themselves, ( when dumped by Chelsea he must have wondered about him staying in the game.
2) he will get a contract of 40k a week.. Probably on a three year deal...which takes him to 27 years of age or about 6 million in wages over that period.
What needs to happen is the Albion step into the transfer market and prove we are genuine contenders for promotion.
Probably the most sensible and realistic post on this site in years. Any player offered a Premiership contract even from a struggling team would be mad to turn it down because they would be given financial security for the rest of their lives. Even a loyal player has a greater loyalty to his family.

Plus they would test themselves against the best and maybe if good enough get a deal with another club.

All those fans that prattle on about the disadvantages of joining relegation fodder really make themselves look very very silly

Only 2 thumbs up for Mark's post which sums up the level of thinking on this site
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I must admit I have some sympathy for Karank, don't get me wrong, I am well pleased that we beat them, but his players are making him look like a bad manager and I don't think he is. I don't know if Boro have any money for him to spend but if they do, he needs to build from the back. From a selfish point of view, if Boro get stronger they will take points off our competitors, and I am all for that. Perhaps they need to make an offer for Dunk as one of two or three new signings. On a brighter note, we appear to no longer be the draw specialists, just seven so far this season, and two of those were away, 0-0 against QPR and Reading. Some might say that even seven is too many at this stage of the season, but the two points gained at QPR and Reading were good points to get. On the subject of Conway, most of us would agree that we want him back, even if only on a second loan deal until the end of the season, and I agree, but I am wondering if we will have a bit of a battle to get him. There are a couple of promotion hopeful clubs who are stalling a little, it might be that one or more of the top of the table clubs might also fancy picking him up. My guess is that Conway would choose to come back to us on loan, but if someone like Forest offered a loan deal, with a nailed on one or two year contract once this season is over, the lad might opt for the security of the contract. Thinking of Bridcutt and him wanting his chance at the top level, I would hope that he really gives any offer from a club fighting against relegation from the prem division a whole lot of thought. Any club at the bottom, will want any signing that they might make, to have an immediate impact, no bedding in time as they can't afford that time, every game is vital to their survival. The same can be said of the top clubs too, I am sure that Man United didn't pay fifteen million for Zaha thinking that he would be a good prospect for tomorrow. Zaha will e farmed out on loan somewhere and that will probably be the start of the end for him with United. If Bridders goes to any of the bottom four or five clubs and they get relegated, he will find it hard to bounce back as far as his career goes, it could take a couple of years of constant performances to bring the spotlight back on him. As I see it the best options for Bridcutt would be to either stay with us and see how our season pans out or, accept a transfer to one of the middle order prem clubs, to a club that will not demand instant success, but that offer might not come until the season is over. The first, of what many will hope is the start of an extended FA Cup run, is against Reading, two clubs hoping for promotion and two clubs hoping that they don't lose players to injury, and in our case, 'any more,' players to injury. I wonder what would be best for us, a quick exit from the Cup and the assurance that would bring that none of our lads would be injured, or a longer run that might affect our promotion drive, and I guess the same applies to Reading. If we are not in the top six when this match comes around we will need to get there, and if are there, we will need to stay there, either way some tricky decisions will have to be made. My guess is that both teams will be at less than full strength, both teams will go out with maybe four changes to their regular line up. To those that believe in the law of averages, Boro undone by conceding yet another late goal yesterday, surely the law of averages would have suggested that that would not happen but guess what, it did.[/p][/quote]The whole point of joining a premiership club is two fold, 1) they get that chance to prove themselves, ( when dumped by Chelsea he must have wondered about him staying in the game. 2) he will get a contract of 40k a week.. Probably on a three year deal...which takes him to 27 years of age or about 6 million in wages over that period. What needs to happen is the Albion step into the transfer market and prove we are genuine contenders for promotion.[/p][/quote]Probably the most sensible and realistic post on this site in years. Any player offered a Premiership contract even from a struggling team would be mad to turn it down because they would be given financial security for the rest of their lives. Even a loyal player has a greater loyalty to his family. Plus they would test themselves against the best and maybe if good enough get a deal with another club. All those fans that prattle on about the disadvantages of joining relegation fodder really make themselves look very very silly Only 2 thumbs up for Mark's post which sums up the level of thinking on this site pte

6:47am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Murray rejoining... he's not as good as what we have already and has a serious knee injury.

And not all players think only in terms of money - some of them are actually interested in having a nice life. Players already earn enough to want for nothing - an extra couple of grand will make literally no difference. There is much more to consider than just the amount of zeroes on the end of your bank balance.
Which players don't think about money? Murray, Noon , bennet ? Even elabd chased more cash up and down the country .... The next contract for Barnes is probably going to be for his peak playing years, bridcutt too, he needs to be playing premiership football for securing the best financial stability for himself, plus the challenge of the best players. All players are one tackle away from stacking shelves in asda . Why would a player not want premiership football and 3m extra in wages over next 3 years? Garcia and bloom have a massive challenge in next 12 months if we fail promotion. The list of players out of contract TK , Barnes , players on last legs GG upson, crofts . Players not consistant Buckley lua lua , and players who want premiership football ulloa and bridcutt . My bet is half the team will be different come next season.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Murray rejoining... he's not as good as what we have already and has a serious knee injury. And not all players think only in terms of money - some of them are actually interested in having a nice life. Players already earn enough to want for nothing - an extra couple of grand will make literally no difference. There is much more to consider than just the amount of zeroes on the end of your bank balance.[/p][/quote]Which players don't think about money? Murray, Noon , bennet ? Even elabd chased more cash up and down the country .... The next contract for Barnes is probably going to be for his peak playing years, bridcutt too, he needs to be playing premiership football for securing the best financial stability for himself, plus the challenge of the best players. All players are one tackle away from stacking shelves in asda . Why would a player not want premiership football and 3m extra in wages over next 3 years? Garcia and bloom have a massive challenge in next 12 months if we fail promotion. The list of players out of contract TK , Barnes , players on last legs GG upson, crofts . Players not consistant Buckley lua lua , and players who want premiership football ulloa and bridcutt . My bet is half the team will be different come next season. mark by the sea

9:24am Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

It is just possible, Mark, that most players do equate Premier League (hasn't been Premiership for ages) football and high wages as happiness. Not ALL do - location and a settled family are just as, if not more, important for other players.

Saying that a player is one injury from stacking shelves is nonsense, as I think you know. Established players in the Championship will never HAVE to work once their career ends. 10-20k/week for several seasons will put paid to any worries over how the next bill or meal is going to be paid for,

And regarding the squad, the same thing was said last season (possibly even by you), but the squad is still (injuries notwithstanding) largely intact.

Trying to predict what will happen in January or at the end of the season is a fool's game.
It is just possible, Mark, that most players do equate Premier League (hasn't been Premiership for ages) football and high wages as happiness. Not ALL do - location and a settled family are just as, if not more, important for other players. Saying that a player is one injury from stacking shelves is nonsense, as I think you know. Established players in the Championship will never HAVE to work once their career ends. 10-20k/week for several seasons will put paid to any worries over how the next bill or meal is going to be paid for, And regarding the squad, the same thing was said last season (possibly even by you), but the squad is still (injuries notwithstanding) largely intact. Trying to predict what will happen in January or at the end of the season is a fool's game. Ex-pat Arnie

9:43am Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?
PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere? Ex-pat Arnie

9:48am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?
The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?[/p][/quote]The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership! mark by the sea

10:58am Mon 16 Dec 13

dave from bexill says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?
The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership!
At 34/35 years of age, Matthew Upson has spent the vast majority of his playing career in the top flight, as we all know. At Stoke, he was hardly getting a game and has said that any move to another premiership club, would only have given him a limited chance of first team football. After such a career, it's fair to assume that Matthew is a very wealthy man, by most standards and therefore decided that his situation afforded him the opportunity to play at a good standard, with an excellent club therefore continuing his career.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?[/p][/quote]The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership![/p][/quote]At 34/35 years of age, Matthew Upson has spent the vast majority of his playing career in the top flight, as we all know. At Stoke, he was hardly getting a game and has said that any move to another premiership club, would only have given him a limited chance of first team football. After such a career, it's fair to assume that Matthew is a very wealthy man, by most standards and therefore decided that his situation afforded him the opportunity to play at a good standard, with an excellent club therefore continuing his career. dave from bexill

11:03am Mon 16 Dec 13

dave from bexill says...

Ps, as such, in Upson's case, finance did not have to be the most important criteria in moving to a lower league, surely
Ps, as such, in Upson's case, finance did not have to be the most important criteria in moving to a lower league, surely dave from bexill

12:40pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?
The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership!
And all the rest of our established players have more money than they can ever spend. (Footballers don't buy Ferraris because they're great cars, they buy them because they have nothing left to spend their wealth on.)

You seem to equate wealth with happiness. If so, that's quite sad.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?[/p][/quote]The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership![/p][/quote]And all the rest of our established players have more money than they can ever spend. (Footballers don't buy Ferraris because they're great cars, they buy them because they have nothing left to spend their wealth on.) You seem to equate wealth with happiness. If so, that's quite sad. Ex-pat Arnie

1:30pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?
The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership!
And all the rest of our established players have more money than they can ever spend. (Footballers don't buy Ferraris because they're great cars, they buy them because they have nothing left to spend their wealth on.)

You seem to equate wealth with happiness. If so, that's quite sad.
No I don't equate anything , players equate there value against other players wages, for instance john terry wanted 200k a week because other players were getting that! Rooney wanted the same ... GG AND BRIDCUT. both got new deals even when there contracts were excellent ...
Glen Murray left because he wanted championship wages for playing in the championship..
All players out of the premiership want. Premiership football and wages to match, upson has amassed a fortune over 15 years playing top flight football.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: PS: Mark - is Upson earning as much as he could've got elsewhere?[/p][/quote]The guy has earns his money by playing in the premiership![/p][/quote]And all the rest of our established players have more money than they can ever spend. (Footballers don't buy Ferraris because they're great cars, they buy them because they have nothing left to spend their wealth on.) You seem to equate wealth with happiness. If so, that's quite sad.[/p][/quote]No I don't equate anything , players equate there value against other players wages, for instance john terry wanted 200k a week because other players were getting that! Rooney wanted the same ... GG AND BRIDCUT. both got new deals even when there contracts were excellent ... Glen Murray left because he wanted championship wages for playing in the championship.. All players out of the premiership want. Premiership football and wages to match, upson has amassed a fortune over 15 years playing top flight football. mark by the sea

3:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out.

Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?
Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out. Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for? Ex-pat Arnie

4:18pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out.

Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?
Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out. Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?[/p][/quote]Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace? mark by the sea

4:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out.

Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?
Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?
There are always going to be plenty of examples of players who moved on for money. I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying (a) money does NOT equal happiness, and (b) there are some players who recognise this.

Of the four players you mention, only Murray can be said to have moved purely for the money as he stayed in the same division. Crofts and Bennett both moved to a higher division team. Noone claimed, rightly, that it was because he had a better chance of promotion with Cardiff. I believe the latter three would probably have moved even on roughly equal wages.

So of course players want to play at as high a level as they can and I haven't claimed otherwise. But would players choose to play for a Premier League club or a Championship Club on a slightly higher wage? The extra cash would make literally no difference to their lives.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out. Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?[/p][/quote]Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?[/p][/quote]There are always going to be plenty of examples of players who moved on for money. I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying (a) money does NOT equal happiness, and (b) there are some players who recognise this. Of the four players you mention, only Murray can be said to have moved purely for the money as he stayed in the same division. Crofts and Bennett both moved to a higher division team. Noone claimed, rightly, that it was because he had a better chance of promotion with Cardiff. I believe the latter three would probably have moved even on roughly equal wages. So of course players want to play at as high a level as they can and I haven't claimed otherwise. But would players choose to play for a Premier League club or a Championship Club on a slightly higher wage? The extra cash would make literally no difference to their lives. Ex-pat Arnie

4:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out.

Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?
Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?
There are always going to be plenty of examples of players who moved on for money. I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying (a) money does NOT equal happiness, and (b) there are some players who recognise this.

Of the four players you mention, only Murray can be said to have moved purely for the money as he stayed in the same division. Crofts and Bennett both moved to a higher division team. Noone claimed, rightly, that it was because he had a better chance of promotion with Cardiff. I believe the latter three would probably have moved even on roughly equal wages.

So of course players want to play at as high a level as they can and I haven't claimed otherwise. But would players choose to play for a Premier League club or a Championship Club on a slightly higher wage? The extra cash would make literally no difference to their lives.
I never said it was only about cash, Bridcutt contract runs out in 18 months, he will be 27 ish, if he does not go next year the club could lose 4m if he walked in the summer of 2015.. Let him go, he stated he wants premier football only two weeks ago.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out. Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?[/p][/quote]Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?[/p][/quote]There are always going to be plenty of examples of players who moved on for money. I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying (a) money does NOT equal happiness, and (b) there are some players who recognise this. Of the four players you mention, only Murray can be said to have moved purely for the money as he stayed in the same division. Crofts and Bennett both moved to a higher division team. Noone claimed, rightly, that it was because he had a better chance of promotion with Cardiff. I believe the latter three would probably have moved even on roughly equal wages. So of course players want to play at as high a level as they can and I haven't claimed otherwise. But would players choose to play for a Premier League club or a Championship Club on a slightly higher wage? The extra cash would make literally no difference to their lives.[/p][/quote]I never said it was only about cash, Bridcutt contract runs out in 18 months, he will be 27 ish, if he does not go next year the club could lose 4m if he walked in the summer of 2015.. Let him go, he stated he wants premier football only two weeks ago. mark by the sea

7:37pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out.

Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?
Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?
There are always going to be plenty of examples of players who moved on for money. I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying (a) money does NOT equal happiness, and (b) there are some players who recognise this.

Of the four players you mention, only Murray can be said to have moved purely for the money as he stayed in the same division. Crofts and Bennett both moved to a higher division team. Noone claimed, rightly, that it was because he had a better chance of promotion with Cardiff. I believe the latter three would probably have moved even on roughly equal wages.

So of course players want to play at as high a level as they can and I haven't claimed otherwise. But would players choose to play for a Premier League club or a Championship Club on a slightly higher wage? The extra cash would make literally no difference to their lives.
I never said it was only about cash, Bridcutt contract runs out in 18 months, he will be 27 ish, if he does not go next year the club could lose 4m if he walked in the summer of 2015.. Let him go, he stated he wants premier football only two weeks ago.
(He'll have just turned 26 if we keep him to the end of his contract.)

Why not say to Bridcutt "Give it until the end of the season - if we're not going up then move on with our blessing"?

He did after all say he would prefer it if he was playing in the Premier League with us rather than some other club, and we still have a realistic chance of promotion.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Wow, well done for using John Terry as an example! He is the prime example of someone for whom money is everything, it's a pride thing - but then you look at his family and it was the only way he was ever going to turn out. Anyone who evaluates their worth based solely upon their salary is delusional. If they think another 5k per week is all that's needed to make them happier then let them give it a go, but if it means living in Croydon or Sunderland then I think they'll be sorely disappointed. And is it worth uprooting a young family for?[/p][/quote]Explain why crofts / bennet went to norwich? Noon to Cardiff and Murray to palace?[/p][/quote]There are always going to be plenty of examples of players who moved on for money. I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying (a) money does NOT equal happiness, and (b) there are some players who recognise this. Of the four players you mention, only Murray can be said to have moved purely for the money as he stayed in the same division. Crofts and Bennett both moved to a higher division team. Noone claimed, rightly, that it was because he had a better chance of promotion with Cardiff. I believe the latter three would probably have moved even on roughly equal wages. So of course players want to play at as high a level as they can and I haven't claimed otherwise. But would players choose to play for a Premier League club or a Championship Club on a slightly higher wage? The extra cash would make literally no difference to their lives.[/p][/quote]I never said it was only about cash, Bridcutt contract runs out in 18 months, he will be 27 ish, if he does not go next year the club could lose 4m if he walked in the summer of 2015.. Let him go, he stated he wants premier football only two weeks ago.[/p][/quote](He'll have just turned 26 if we keep him to the end of his contract.) Why not say to Bridcutt "Give it until the end of the season - if we're not going up then move on with our blessing"? He did after all say he would prefer it if he was playing in the Premier League with us rather than some other club, and we still have a realistic chance of promotion. Ex-pat Arnie

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