Jones hints Conway could be back for Albion

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ALBION No. 2 Nathan Jones has dropped the broadest hint yet that Craig Conway, left, will be re-signed during the January transfer window.

Jones believes the Scottish international winger “offers something different” and has parised his impact off the pitch as well as on it.

Conway ended his 93-day loan from Cardiff by delivering the corner for Matt Upson to head Albion to a 1-0 win at Middlesbrough. Jones said: “He’s done well for us and we’re very, very pleased with him. It’s a shame he has to go back because we’d still like him to be involved. We’re going to have to see.

“We have got five that can play wide, including Craig, and he offers something different. On the pitch he has been what we knew but off the pitch he has been phenomenal. He fitted in so quickly.

“That was a conscious effort. His wife was pregant but he moved his family straight down. The loan market is very important and you have to be thorough.

“There have been some we’ve enquired about who haven’t quite fancied it, so we put them to one side. “We don’t want them, we want the ones who are desperate to play for us. He was one I had earmarked before I even came here and he has done brilliantly.”

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6:14am Mon 16 Dec 13

saraman says...

Great news to wake up to on a Monday morning. Give Craig at least a years contract, he has proved to be invaluable to us. What a great seasonal period we have to look forward to, starting with 3 points against Huddersfield
Great news to wake up to on a Monday morning. Give Craig at least a years contract, he has proved to be invaluable to us. What a great seasonal period we have to look forward to, starting with 3 points against Huddersfield saraman

7:48am Mon 16 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days!
Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days! Thewithdeanyears

7:53am Mon 16 Dec 13

Ulloa19 says...

That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out? Ulloa19

8:21am Mon 16 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
I'd play all 3 my friend...

Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle.

We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role.
Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been.

This formation excites me.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]I'd play all 3 my friend... Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle. We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role. Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been. This formation excites me. Uta SMF20

8:26am Mon 16 Dec 13

college says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
Either, it doesn't really matter
Conway may not have the flair of the other 2 but he's a more consistent performer, can cross a ball more accurately and seems a better team player.
Both Bucks and Kaz can be individually brilliant on their day - but they are both erratic and injury prone, Kaz will for me always be an impact sub, With Bucks you have more leeway to pick the matches he'll shine in.
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]Either, it doesn't really matter Conway may not have the flair of the other 2 but he's a more consistent performer, can cross a ball more accurately and seems a better team player. Both Bucks and Kaz can be individually brilliant on their day - but they are both erratic and injury prone, Kaz will for me always be an impact sub, With Bucks you have more leeway to pick the matches he'll shine in. college

8:40am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Promotion is about playing for 90 minutes as a team player who is fit for 40 games a season ... Conway provides that.
Not going to get you out of your chair ... But he ticks off so many things .
Will Conway take a year deal? Maybe he will hold out for a two year deal to secure his families short term future.
Promotion is about playing for 90 minutes as a team player who is fit for 40 games a season ... Conway provides that. Not going to get you out of your chair ... But he ticks off so many things . Will Conway take a year deal? Maybe he will hold out for a two year deal to secure his families short term future. mark by the sea

9:32am Mon 16 Dec 13

tug509 says...

Good players like Conway are few and far between at Championship level,eager to play and be part of the team,give 100% and deliver the goods,as NJ says "there have been some we have enquired about who hav`nt quite facied it,so we put them to one side" ,moving his pregnant wife and family down to Brighton is proof that this guy wants to play for us,and so far he`s been better with every game. UTA
Good players like Conway are few and far between at Championship level,eager to play and be part of the team,give 100% and deliver the goods,as NJ says "there have been some we have enquired about who hav`nt quite facied it,so we put them to one side" ,moving his pregnant wife and family down to Brighton is proof that this guy wants to play for us,and so far he`s been better with every game. UTA tug509

9:38am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
Good players like Conway are few and far between at Championship level,eager to play and be part of the team,give 100% and deliver the goods,as NJ says "there have been some we have enquired about who hav`nt quite facied it,so we put them to one side" ,moving his pregnant wife and family down to Brighton is proof that this guy wants to play for us,and so far he`s been better with every game. UTA
He also needs a club with faith in him, I think either Buckley or lua lua will be surplus , not because of ability , but fitness is a concern for both, we have Orlandi and we have cms, we won't play two up front , that's not Garcia .. With a fully fit squad, we will have a lot of players not happy! How those players react is key to there future here.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good players like Conway are few and far between at Championship level,eager to play and be part of the team,give 100% and deliver the goods,as NJ says "there have been some we have enquired about who hav`nt quite facied it,so we put them to one side" ,moving his pregnant wife and family down to Brighton is proof that this guy wants to play for us,and so far he`s been better with every game. UTA[/p][/quote]He also needs a club with faith in him, I think either Buckley or lua lua will be surplus , not because of ability , but fitness is a concern for both, we have Orlandi and we have cms, we won't play two up front , that's not Garcia .. With a fully fit squad, we will have a lot of players not happy! How those players react is key to there future here. mark by the sea

9:40am Mon 16 Dec 13

Acker79 says...

It's always good to "parise" someone who had done well for us.
It's always good to "parise" someone who had done well for us. Acker79

9:49am Mon 16 Dec 13

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Good players like Conway are few and far between at Championship level,eager to play and be part of the team,give 100% and deliver the goods,as NJ says "there have been some we have enquired about who hav`nt quite facied it,so we put them to one side" ,moving his pregnant wife and family down to Brighton is proof that this guy wants to play for us,and so far he`s been better with every game. UTA
He also needs a club with faith in him, I think either Buckley or lua lua will be surplus , not because of ability , but fitness is a concern for both, we have Orlandi and we have cms, we won't play two up front , that's not Garcia .. With a fully fit squad, we will have a lot of players not happy! How those players react is key to there future here.
Yep thats always the worry when you have a choice,it`s not possible to keep everyone happy,i can imagine how fed up Lita must feel . As you point out fitness is important,and CC looks a hardy lad. I hope the other lads can react positively,the start of this season should prove to all,how important the squad is,and not just the same11 every week. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good players like Conway are few and far between at Championship level,eager to play and be part of the team,give 100% and deliver the goods,as NJ says "there have been some we have enquired about who hav`nt quite facied it,so we put them to one side" ,moving his pregnant wife and family down to Brighton is proof that this guy wants to play for us,and so far he`s been better with every game. UTA[/p][/quote]He also needs a club with faith in him, I think either Buckley or lua lua will be surplus , not because of ability , but fitness is a concern for both, we have Orlandi and we have cms, we won't play two up front , that's not Garcia .. With a fully fit squad, we will have a lot of players not happy! How those players react is key to there future here.[/p][/quote]Yep thats always the worry when you have a choice,it`s not possible to keep everyone happy,i can imagine how fed up Lita must feel . As you point out fitness is important,and CC looks a hardy lad. I hope the other lads can react positively,the start of this season should prove to all,how important the squad is,and not just the same11 every week. UTA tug509

12:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

JollyRoger says...

Acker79 wrote:
It's always good to "parise" someone who had done well for us.
Yup, spell checker and proof reader clearly up to the job!
[quote][p][bold]Acker79[/bold] wrote: It's always good to "parise" someone who had done well for us.[/p][/quote]Yup, spell checker and proof reader clearly up to the job! JollyRoger

12:22pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists.

Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.
The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists. Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out. VegasSeagull

12:54pm Mon 16 Dec 13

phumps says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists.

Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.
Hate to say it but dont think the ince bridcutt partnership taking up a place will be a problem post jan window
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists. Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.[/p][/quote]Hate to say it but dont think the ince bridcutt partnership taking up a place will be a problem post jan window phumps

1:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

phumps wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists.

Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.
Hate to say it but dont think the ince bridcutt partnership taking up a place will be a problem post jan window
I get your point.

If the Bridcutt and Ince paring, as an idea, is a good one, then perhaps Ince with another could also be, 'an idea.' I am thinking of the game plan as a plan. Looking at today's squad, including those on loan, Andrews and Ince could be an option.
I am wondering if all the thoughts of Bridcutt moving on are mostly coming from us the fans, rather than any other club actually making a move for him. Every day we hear of clubs being interested in signing this or that player, I haven't seen any report linking Bridcutt directly linking him with another club. Maybe it's the fear of losing him that is driving the thought that we will lose him.
[quote][p][bold]phumps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists. Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.[/p][/quote]Hate to say it but dont think the ince bridcutt partnership taking up a place will be a problem post jan window[/p][/quote]I get your point. If the Bridcutt and Ince paring, as an idea, is a good one, then perhaps Ince with another could also be, 'an idea.' I am thinking of the game plan as a plan. Looking at today's squad, including those on loan, Andrews and Ince could be an option. I am wondering if all the thoughts of Bridcutt moving on are mostly coming from us the fans, rather than any other club actually making a move for him. Every day we hear of clubs being interested in signing this or that player, I haven't seen any report linking Bridcutt directly linking him with another club. Maybe it's the fear of losing him that is driving the thought that we will lose him. VegasSeagull

1:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
phumps wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists.

Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.
Hate to say it but dont think the ince bridcutt partnership taking up a place will be a problem post jan window
I get your point.

If the Bridcutt and Ince paring, as an idea, is a good one, then perhaps Ince with another could also be, 'an idea.' I am thinking of the game plan as a plan. Looking at today's squad, including those on loan, Andrews and Ince could be an option.
I am wondering if all the thoughts of Bridcutt moving on are mostly coming from us the fans, rather than any other club actually making a move for him. Every day we hear of clubs being interested in signing this or that player, I haven't seen any report linking Bridcutt directly linking him with another club. Maybe it's the fear of losing him that is driving the thought that we will lose him.
Unless bridcutt is injured in the next few weeks, he will be off, my bet would be norwich , villa or Sunderland .... Maybe Fulham which would suit bridcutt
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phumps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The way Jones is talking it sounds more as though the club would like to get Conway's signature on a contract rather than a loan deal, even if the loan deal has to come first. I recall Poyet saying that he had two lists, players he wanted if we went up and players he wanted if we didn't go up, today I think Conway would be on both of Oscar's lists. Promotion or not there will be a culling at the end of the season, I don't think it will be too hard to find room for Conway. As Jones says, including Conway we have five wide players, that's probably one too many, especially as we now have the Bridcutt and Ince pairing as they occupy two spots on the team sheet. If Conway comes in on a contract, someone will go out.[/p][/quote]Hate to say it but dont think the ince bridcutt partnership taking up a place will be a problem post jan window[/p][/quote]I get your point. If the Bridcutt and Ince paring, as an idea, is a good one, then perhaps Ince with another could also be, 'an idea.' I am thinking of the game plan as a plan. Looking at today's squad, including those on loan, Andrews and Ince could be an option. I am wondering if all the thoughts of Bridcutt moving on are mostly coming from us the fans, rather than any other club actually making a move for him. Every day we hear of clubs being interested in signing this or that player, I haven't seen any report linking Bridcutt directly linking him with another club. Maybe it's the fear of losing him that is driving the thought that we will lose him.[/p][/quote]Unless bridcutt is injured in the next few weeks, he will be off, my bet would be norwich , villa or Sunderland .... Maybe Fulham which would suit bridcutt mark by the sea

1:35pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Joel'sGrandad says...

If anyone comes in for Liam it depends on which club. I see no point him leaving for a relegation battle when he can stay with us and help us into the promised land. I just hope his agent is sensible and advises him to stay. His options will be much better in the summer.
As for Craig I really hope this is a done deal and we can get him signed up for January 1st, Welsh FA willing.UTA
If anyone comes in for Liam it depends on which club. I see no point him leaving for a relegation battle when he can stay with us and help us into the promised land. I just hope his agent is sensible and advises him to stay. His options will be much better in the summer. As for Craig I really hope this is a done deal and we can get him signed up for January 1st, Welsh FA willing.UTA Joel'sGrandad

1:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ulloa19 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
I'd play all 3 my friend...

Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle.

We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role.
Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been.

This formation excites me.

Uta
Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]I'd play all 3 my friend... Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle. We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role. Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been. This formation excites me. Uta[/p][/quote]Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings. UTA Ulloa19

1:57pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
I'd play all 3 my friend...

Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle.

We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role.
Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been.

This formation excites me.

Uta
Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings.
UTA
That's 5 attacking players!!!! With either ince or bridcutt holding .... And no space for crofts?
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]I'd play all 3 my friend... Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle. We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role. Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been. This formation excites me. Uta[/p][/quote]Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings. UTA[/p][/quote]That's 5 attacking players!!!! With either ince or bridcutt holding .... And no space for crofts? mark by the sea

2:21pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,
I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot, mark by the sea

2:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,
I think Spurs will go for someone with a proven track record in top flight football. Gus would've been too much of a gamble, IMO.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,[/p][/quote]I think Spurs will go for someone with a proven track record in top flight football. Gus would've been too much of a gamble, IMO. Ex-pat Arnie

2:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
I'd play all 3 my friend...

Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle.

We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role.
Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been.

This formation excites me.

Uta
Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings.
UTA
The 4-2-3-1 line up you suggest is ok but the players you have selected would cause me to have concerns. You have left our a midfield play maker, Kaz wouldn't adopt that role as his style is to run at defenders, the balance of the team would be too top heavy, ok for a FA Cup match but that's about it.

Playing both Ince and Bridcutt requires us to have just one out and out wide player as we need a Crofts type player in midfield, IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]I'd play all 3 my friend... Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle. We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role. Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been. This formation excites me. Uta[/p][/quote]Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings. UTA[/p][/quote]The 4-2-3-1 line up you suggest is ok but the players you have selected would cause me to have concerns. You have left our a midfield play maker, Kaz wouldn't adopt that role as his style is to run at defenders, the balance of the team would be too top heavy, ok for a FA Cup match but that's about it. Playing both Ince and Bridcutt requires us to have just one out and out wide player as we need a Crofts type player in midfield, IMHO. VegasSeagull

2:48pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,
I think Spurs will go for someone with a proven track record in top flight football. Gus would've been too much of a gamble, IMO.
Watching spurs yesterday , they need something! Absolutely shocking.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,[/p][/quote]I think Spurs will go for someone with a proven track record in top flight football. Gus would've been too much of a gamble, IMO.[/p][/quote]Watching spurs yesterday , they need something! Absolutely shocking. mark by the sea

3:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Vince says...

Poyet will be tempted to apply for the Spurs job I'm sure - but will Spurs contact him first? That could be the way for Poyet to leave Sunderland without lpsing face.
Poyet will be tempted to apply for the Spurs job I'm sure - but will Spurs contact him first? That could be the way for Poyet to leave Sunderland without lpsing face. Vince

3:19pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,
I think Spurs will go for someone with a proven track record in top flight football. Gus would've been too much of a gamble, IMO.
Watching spurs yesterday , they need something! Absolutely shocking.
Too many new players in too short a space of time. Madness though to allow a manager than kind of spend and then get rid within a months. I pity the fool who follows him, having inherited a team that has yet to gel.

Still, I never could stand AVB so my sympathies are not with him.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,[/p][/quote]I think Spurs will go for someone with a proven track record in top flight football. Gus would've been too much of a gamble, IMO.[/p][/quote]Watching spurs yesterday , they need something! Absolutely shocking.[/p][/quote]Too many new players in too short a space of time. Madness though to allow a manager than kind of spend and then get rid within a months. I pity the fool who follows him, having inherited a team that has yet to gel. Still, I never could stand AVB so my sympathies are not with him. Ex-pat Arnie

3:25pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Vince wrote:
Poyet will be tempted to apply for the Spurs job I'm sure - but will Spurs contact him first? That could be the way for Poyet to leave Sunderland without lpsing face.
Surely Poyet would have to get permission to apply for the Spurs job, would it not be gross misconduct if he were to do otherwise?

I doubt that he will apply and I don't think he will be offered the job.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Poyet will be tempted to apply for the Spurs job I'm sure - but will Spurs contact him first? That could be the way for Poyet to leave Sunderland without lpsing face.[/p][/quote]Surely Poyet would have to get permission to apply for the Spurs job, would it not be gross misconduct if he were to do otherwise? I doubt that he will apply and I don't think he will be offered the job. VegasSeagull

3:27pm Mon 16 Dec 13

tug509 says...

Vince wrote:
Poyet will be tempted to apply for the Spurs job I'm sure - but will Spurs contact him first? That could be the way for Poyet to leave Sunderland without lpsing face.
I dont think he has done enough at Sunderland for Spurs to take a chance on him,regardless of his previous with them . Frankly i think there is more chance of us passing them going the other way ,i can see a well known manager at Spurs,not a man who never seems content.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Poyet will be tempted to apply for the Spurs job I'm sure - but will Spurs contact him first? That could be the way for Poyet to leave Sunderland without lpsing face.[/p][/quote]I dont think he has done enough at Sunderland for Spurs to take a chance on him,regardless of his previous with them . Frankly i think there is more chance of us passing them going the other way ,i can see a well known manager at Spurs,not a man who never seems content. tug509

3:32pm Mon 16 Dec 13

jockithenoo says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days!
Kno.b
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days![/p][/quote]Kno.b jockithenoo

3:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

OldGull says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
He may not have the explosive pace of the other two, But I think his balls into the box are much more consistent.
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]He may not have the explosive pace of the other two, But I think his balls into the box are much more consistent. OldGull

3:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Far gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,
Had to smile thought the same thing as soon as it was announced. He was to much of a hurry. Got to laugh.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Gus' is kicking himself,? Had he stayed the spurs job would have been his in my opinion, I really hope Sunderland get relegated, and we get that third spot,[/p][/quote]Had to smile thought the same thing as soon as it was announced. He was to much of a hurry. Got to laugh. Far gull

3:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

graham w says...

agree with tug and mark, a 2year contract for a reliable and fit player is worth his weight, i think buckers could be on the move come jan well see.... but like adam he came in and he played as if he,d never missed one match, let alone half a season...... uta seagulls,,
agree with tug and mark, a 2year contract for a reliable and fit player is worth his weight, i think buckers could be on the move come jan well see.... but like adam he came in and he played as if he,d never missed one match, let alone half a season...... uta seagulls,, graham w

4:05pm Mon 16 Dec 13

OldGull says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days!
Good afternoon Dick
Glad to see you are posting the same pointless garbage.
You are without doubt the worst troll on this site
Congratulations
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days![/p][/quote]Good afternoon Dick Glad to see you are posting the same pointless garbage. You are without doubt the worst troll on this site Congratulations OldGull

4:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

If promotion doesn't come this year, and I am not suggesting that it won't, I really hope that we get busy in the summer transfer window.
I greatly respect all that some of our older players have done for the club but I am really looking forward to the day when we have a younger squad. Experience counts, especially in our division, but Ward is only 28 and look how good he has been for us.
Bruno 33, Greer 33 and Upson 34, three players that we owe a debt of thanks to but come next season they will all be a year older, should we think about possible replacements, could we find some around the age of Ward. Lopez is 31 and his contract expires this summer so I guess his future with Brighton is pretty muck known. The ever dependable Calderon is also 31, and like Lopez will be out of contract this summer.

I may be unpopular for saying this but, these are five players that I would like to see replaced with guys in the age range of, 25 to 30. We have been very consistent when selecting our back four to start matches, and to be fair they have delivered and have stayed, for the most part, injury free, but can we expect two 34 year olds and one aged 35 to do the same next year?

Before giving me a slapping for this posting, remember I did say, 'if we don't get promoted,' I remind you of that point simply because I think promotion would make changes inevitable.

Ok have at it guys.
If promotion doesn't come this year, and I am not suggesting that it won't, I really hope that we get busy in the summer transfer window. I greatly respect all that some of our older players have done for the club but I am really looking forward to the day when we have a younger squad. Experience counts, especially in our division, but Ward is only 28 and look how good he has been for us. Bruno 33, Greer 33 and Upson 34, three players that we owe a debt of thanks to but come next season they will all be a year older, should we think about possible replacements, could we find some around the age of Ward. Lopez is 31 and his contract expires this summer so I guess his future with Brighton is pretty muck known. The ever dependable Calderon is also 31, and like Lopez will be out of contract this summer. I may be unpopular for saying this but, these are five players that I would like to see replaced with guys in the age range of, 25 to 30. We have been very consistent when selecting our back four to start matches, and to be fair they have delivered and have stayed, for the most part, injury free, but can we expect two 34 year olds and one aged 35 to do the same next year? Before giving me a slapping for this posting, remember I did say, 'if we don't get promoted,' I remind you of that point simply because I think promotion would make changes inevitable. Ok have at it guys. VegasSeagull

4:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Sam Allardyce tells that advanced negotiations are in progress for him to sign a, 'mystery,' striker, now who the heck could that be, surely not, nah I won't even go there.
Sam Allardyce tells that advanced negotiations are in progress for him to sign a, 'mystery,' striker, now who the heck could that be, surely not, nah I won't even go there. VegasSeagull

4:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ulloa19 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Ulloa19 wrote:
That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?
I'd play all 3 my friend...

Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle.

We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role.
Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been.

This formation excites me.

Uta
Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings.
UTA
The 4-2-3-1 line up you suggest is ok but the players you have selected would cause me to have concerns. You have left our a midfield play maker, Kaz wouldn't adopt that role as his style is to run at defenders, the balance of the team would be too top heavy, ok for a FA Cup match but that's about it.

Playing both Ince and Bridcutt requires us to have just one out and out wide player as we need a Crofts type player in midfield, IMHO.
I'm not sure where all of the confusion lis here.

At the moment we play with 2 wingers in Conway and David and so to replca David with Buckley is like for like.
Crofts is currently our driving midfielder and so to replace him with Lua Lua is again like for like.

Just because those guys are on the team sheet doesn't make us top heavy imho.
We've still got the back 5 plus Bridders and Ince... Is 7 defensive minded players not enough?

The flexibility it gives would also be fantastic.. If someone is having an off day we can simply re shuffle to suit and with a bench full of game changing players then why not.

As ever, it's just my opinion but what I've never understood is the "it's too risky" attitude.
These are like for like suggestions but with players who who more flare and ability.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: That is very good news but when LuaLua and Buckley are back in the starting 11 will there be space for him. Who would you take out?[/p][/quote]I'd play all 3 my friend... Buckley and Conway driving down the flanks and Lua Lua down the middle. We have been crying out for a driving force in the middle of the park for sometime... For me and imho, I think Kazenga would do an amazing job in that role. Defenders wouldn't want to touch him when he builds up a head of steam, he would probably draw more penalties for us and I believe he would be given licence to press on at every opportunity as Crofts has been. This formation excites me. Uta[/p][/quote]Do you think a 4-2-3-1 work. You would have LuaLua, Buckley and Conway all behind Ulloa with LuaLua in the more central position and Conway and Buckley being on the wings. UTA[/p][/quote]The 4-2-3-1 line up you suggest is ok but the players you have selected would cause me to have concerns. You have left our a midfield play maker, Kaz wouldn't adopt that role as his style is to run at defenders, the balance of the team would be too top heavy, ok for a FA Cup match but that's about it. Playing both Ince and Bridcutt requires us to have just one out and out wide player as we need a Crofts type player in midfield, IMHO.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure where all of the confusion lis here. At the moment we play with 2 wingers in Conway and David and so to replca David with Buckley is like for like. Crofts is currently our driving midfielder and so to replace him with Lua Lua is again like for like. Just because those guys are on the team sheet doesn't make us top heavy imho. We've still got the back 5 plus Bridders and Ince... Is 7 defensive minded players not enough? The flexibility it gives would also be fantastic.. If someone is having an off day we can simply re shuffle to suit and with a bench full of game changing players then why not. As ever, it's just my opinion but what I've never understood is the "it's too risky" attitude. These are like for like suggestions but with players who who more flare and ability. UTA SMF20

4:36pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If promotion doesn't come this year, and I am not suggesting that it won't, I really hope that we get busy in the summer transfer window.
I greatly respect all that some of our older players have done for the club but I am really looking forward to the day when we have a younger squad. Experience counts, especially in our division, but Ward is only 28 and look how good he has been for us.
Bruno 33, Greer 33 and Upson 34, three players that we owe a debt of thanks to but come next season they will all be a year older, should we think about possible replacements, could we find some around the age of Ward. Lopez is 31 and his contract expires this summer so I guess his future with Brighton is pretty muck known. The ever dependable Calderon is also 31, and like Lopez will be out of contract this summer.

I may be unpopular for saying this but, these are five players that I would like to see replaced with guys in the age range of, 25 to 30. We have been very consistent when selecting our back four to start matches, and to be fair they have delivered and have stayed, for the most part, injury free, but can we expect two 34 year olds and one aged 35 to do the same next year?

Before giving me a slapping for this posting, remember I did say, 'if we don't get promoted,' I remind you of that point simply because I think promotion would make changes inevitable.

Ok have at it guys.
Afternoon, Vegas , I stated that the club have a massive job in next 12 months, TK and Barnes are out of contract in the summer, the names you mentioned will need replacing , bridcutt and ulloa both want premiership football.
The massive question is this, do we sign championship level players , and if so offering anything more than a two year deal maybe a long term mistake.
This time next year two of the defence need replacing.
Add TK. To the question and the two other keepers are past there best.
This can be looked at as problems.. Or the chance to build for the future.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If promotion doesn't come this year, and I am not suggesting that it won't, I really hope that we get busy in the summer transfer window. I greatly respect all that some of our older players have done for the club but I am really looking forward to the day when we have a younger squad. Experience counts, especially in our division, but Ward is only 28 and look how good he has been for us. Bruno 33, Greer 33 and Upson 34, three players that we owe a debt of thanks to but come next season they will all be a year older, should we think about possible replacements, could we find some around the age of Ward. Lopez is 31 and his contract expires this summer so I guess his future with Brighton is pretty muck known. The ever dependable Calderon is also 31, and like Lopez will be out of contract this summer. I may be unpopular for saying this but, these are five players that I would like to see replaced with guys in the age range of, 25 to 30. We have been very consistent when selecting our back four to start matches, and to be fair they have delivered and have stayed, for the most part, injury free, but can we expect two 34 year olds and one aged 35 to do the same next year? Before giving me a slapping for this posting, remember I did say, 'if we don't get promoted,' I remind you of that point simply because I think promotion would make changes inevitable. Ok have at it guys.[/p][/quote]Afternoon, Vegas , I stated that the club have a massive job in next 12 months, TK and Barnes are out of contract in the summer, the names you mentioned will need replacing , bridcutt and ulloa both want premiership football. The massive question is this, do we sign championship level players , and if so offering anything more than a two year deal maybe a long term mistake. This time next year two of the defence need replacing. Add TK. To the question and the two other keepers are past there best. This can be looked at as problems.. Or the chance to build for the future. mark by the sea

4:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness
Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness mark by the sea

4:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Howie2 says...

The crosses that Conway puts in will be of much greater value to Ulloa (when he gets back to full fitness) than those from Lua Lua and Buckley whose crosses are very indifferent and not in the same class.
The crosses that Conway puts in will be of much greater value to Ulloa (when he gets back to full fitness) than those from Lua Lua and Buckley whose crosses are very indifferent and not in the same class. Howie2

4:56pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Mark I think it fair to say that a champ div club will only ever sign champ div quality players, other than those older ones stepping down from the prem. It is very likely that champ div clubs will develop players that turn out to be good enough for the prem, most do.

If we can target players such as Conway, players that are kind of in the middle, in terms of quality, of champ and prem level, then we would be better placed when we do win promotion. When we get promoted we won't be looking to build a team that can beat Liverpool, Man City or United, but we will need to be able to beat the likes of Fulham and Westham.
Mark I think it fair to say that a champ div club will only ever sign champ div quality players, other than those older ones stepping down from the prem. It is very likely that champ div clubs will develop players that turn out to be good enough for the prem, most do. If we can target players such as Conway, players that are kind of in the middle, in terms of quality, of champ and prem level, then we would be better placed when we do win promotion. When we get promoted we won't be looking to build a team that can beat Liverpool, Man City or United, but we will need to be able to beat the likes of Fulham and Westham. VegasSeagull

5:07pm Mon 16 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness
It's a real shame about Zola... He is one of the games good guys...

It does go to show though that Watford, as much as they won't want to hear it did achieve their success last season by bending the rules a little shall we say.

I wish Zola success moving forwards
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness[/p][/quote]It's a real shame about Zola... He is one of the games good guys... It does go to show though that Watford, as much as they won't want to hear it did achieve their success last season by bending the rules a little shall we say. I wish Zola success moving forwards SMF20

5:10pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Far gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness
Another' got to laugh' senario Owners and to some extent fans need to have a reality check as Sam Alladyce pointed out last season without extreme luck and three or four world class youngsters coming through at the same time no club outside the top 8 are ever going to have a shot at anything more than survival in the prem more than 3-4 yrs .
The top clubs will always cream off the best .see how Southampton do next season without a couple bound to move looking for champions league football. the team then struggles to replace them ,then they struggle.
Just spoken to an ardent West Ham fan saying he far enjoyed Championship football over prem up/down perpetual yoyo ,at least Sam not sacked yet! but realistically they are toothless at present and not managers fault.
AVB has been involved ( i assume) in spending over a 100 million and is 6 months really enough time, obviously not to meet an over ambitious chairman who actually took the money for Bale but actually may be needed to realise you cannot replace one world class player for 6 over rated 20 million plus players.
The effect of one' above their level' player actually boosts everyone , lets face it who did not, even as an albion fan have a buzz the moment Vicente's name was read out even if he was only on the bench! in football terms his football playing time and physical input was actually small as the stats for wins with him in the side will show.
Bizarre the football world, am glad more than ever we have Tony in charge.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness[/p][/quote]Another' got to laugh' senario Owners and to some extent fans need to have a reality check as Sam Alladyce pointed out last season without extreme luck and three or four world class youngsters coming through at the same time no club outside the top 8 are ever going to have a shot at anything more than survival in the prem more than 3-4 yrs . The top clubs will always cream off the best .see how Southampton do next season without a couple bound to move looking for champions league football. the team then struggles to replace them ,then they struggle. Just spoken to an ardent West Ham fan saying he far enjoyed Championship football over prem up/down perpetual yoyo ,at least Sam not sacked yet! but realistically they are toothless at present and not managers fault. AVB has been involved ( i assume) in spending over a 100 million and is 6 months really enough time, obviously not to meet an over ambitious chairman who actually took the money for Bale but actually may be needed to realise you cannot replace one world class player for 6 over rated 20 million plus players. The effect of one' above their level' player actually boosts everyone , lets face it who did not, even as an albion fan have a buzz the moment Vicente's name was read out even if he was only on the bench! in football terms his football playing time and physical input was actually small as the stats for wins with him in the side will show. Bizarre the football world, am glad more than ever we have Tony in charge. Far gull

5:24pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ulloa19 says...

SMF20 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness
It's a real shame about Zola... He is one of the games good guys...

It does go to show though that Watford, as much as they won't want to hear it did achieve their success last season by bending the rules a little shall we say.

I wish Zola success moving forwards
I think he will go to West Brom
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Zola has resigned from Watford , !!! Garcia is one of the longest held jobs now! Madness[/p][/quote]It's a real shame about Zola... He is one of the games good guys... It does go to show though that Watford, as much as they won't want to hear it did achieve their success last season by bending the rules a little shall we say. I wish Zola success moving forwards[/p][/quote]I think he will go to West Brom Ulloa19

5:25pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Neville says...

I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.
I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too. Neville

5:40pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Neville wrote:
I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.
Yeah think he will regret it....
As for AVB the rumour is players were bought by the director of football, I do wonder if some chairmen have football manager on there laptops !
Zola had a side last season that produced some quality football , I really hope he finds a club .
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.[/p][/quote]Yeah think he will regret it.... As for AVB the rumour is players were bought by the director of football, I do wonder if some chairmen have football manager on there laptops ! Zola had a side last season that produced some quality football , I really hope he finds a club . mark by the sea

5:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.
Yeah think he will regret it....
As for AVB the rumour is players were bought by the director of football, I do wonder if some chairmen have football manager on there laptops !
Zola had a side last season that produced some quality football , I really hope he finds a club .
It's not a rumour - it is well known that Baldini/AVB operate much the same way as Burke/OG. Makes you wonder why the real architects of the Spurs downfall always manage to survive.

The man who keeps hiring managers he then decides are inadequate should fall on his sword and admit he also is not up the the job required of him.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.[/p][/quote]Yeah think he will regret it.... As for AVB the rumour is players were bought by the director of football, I do wonder if some chairmen have football manager on there laptops ! Zola had a side last season that produced some quality football , I really hope he finds a club .[/p][/quote]It's not a rumour - it is well known that Baldini/AVB operate much the same way as Burke/OG. Makes you wonder why the real architects of the Spurs downfall always manage to survive. The man who keeps hiring managers he then decides are inadequate should fall on his sword and admit he also is not up the the job required of him. Ex-pat Arnie

6:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.
Yeah think he will regret it....
As for AVB the rumour is players were bought by the director of football, I do wonder if some chairmen have football manager on there laptops !
Zola had a side last season that produced some quality football , I really hope he finds a club .
It's not a rumour - it is well known that Baldini/AVB operate much the same way as Burke/OG. Makes you wonder why the real architects of the Spurs downfall always manage to survive.

The man who keeps hiring managers he then decides are inadequate should fall on his sword and admit he also is not up the the job required of him.
Yes but AVB will no doubt say none of the failures are mine, the successful ones I chose!
I totally agree that if the director of football is buying the players, then surely he should be sacked as well! Which leads me to think chairmen have more say in buying than they let on.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I would imagine Zola fancies the Spurs job,bet Poyet wishes he had held on for a crack at the Spurs job too.[/p][/quote]Yeah think he will regret it.... As for AVB the rumour is players were bought by the director of football, I do wonder if some chairmen have football manager on there laptops ! Zola had a side last season that produced some quality football , I really hope he finds a club .[/p][/quote]It's not a rumour - it is well known that Baldini/AVB operate much the same way as Burke/OG. Makes you wonder why the real architects of the Spurs downfall always manage to survive. The man who keeps hiring managers he then decides are inadequate should fall on his sword and admit he also is not up the the job required of him.[/p][/quote]Yes but AVB will no doubt say none of the failures are mine, the successful ones I chose! I totally agree that if the director of football is buying the players, then surely he should be sacked as well! Which leads me to think chairmen have more say in buying than they let on. mark by the sea

6:24pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Stability over expectations, the basis needed for any Championship division club that has hopes of promotion.
Brighton changed managers but oddly enough maintained a sense of stability by having a new manager with the mostly the same philosophy as the previous one, we also held on to the squad, no big changes. It's true to say that we brought in some players on loan, but again, those we borrowed fitted into the plan that might have been adopted had Poyet stayed.

Bloom and Barber are looking after our financial stability whilst Burke and Oscar are keeping it real on the park. I would like to see changes on the park for next year but only to improve the squad and not the game plan.

If you look at the clubs both in our division, and the prem div, that have seen their manager go just about all of them have been busy in the transfer market so expectations exceeded stability.
Stability over expectations, the basis needed for any Championship division club that has hopes of promotion. Brighton changed managers but oddly enough maintained a sense of stability by having a new manager with the mostly the same philosophy as the previous one, we also held on to the squad, no big changes. It's true to say that we brought in some players on loan, but again, those we borrowed fitted into the plan that might have been adopted had Poyet stayed. Bloom and Barber are looking after our financial stability whilst Burke and Oscar are keeping it real on the park. I would like to see changes on the park for next year but only to improve the squad and not the game plan. If you look at the clubs both in our division, and the prem div, that have seen their manager go just about all of them have been busy in the transfer market so expectations exceeded stability. VegasSeagull

6:27pm Mon 16 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

It's a real shame that the Director of Football post exists in the modern game.

Surely the man whose neck is on the line week in week out in this result orientated sport should be the one who decides who comes and who goes.
They are after all the ones who see the players everyday and have to work with them... Surely they know better than any other what is required to improve.

I'd also add that imho the Manager is a far greater lure for a club with a bigger reputation than the guy who seems to be the spanner thrower.

I think that this may have been the beginning of the end for GP too... On this point, he was right to stand his ground.

Uta
It's a real shame that the Director of Football post exists in the modern game. Surely the man whose neck is on the line week in week out in this result orientated sport should be the one who decides who comes and who goes. They are after all the ones who see the players everyday and have to work with them... Surely they know better than any other what is required to improve. I'd also add that imho the Manager is a far greater lure for a club with a bigger reputation than the guy who seems to be the spanner thrower. I think that this may have been the beginning of the end for GP too... On this point, he was right to stand his ground. Uta SMF20

6:55pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20 wrote:
It's a real shame that the Director of Football post exists in the modern game.

Surely the man whose neck is on the line week in week out in this result orientated sport should be the one who decides who comes and who goes.
They are after all the ones who see the players everyday and have to work with them... Surely they know better than any other what is required to improve.

I'd also add that imho the Manager is a far greater lure for a club with a bigger reputation than the guy who seems to be the spanner thrower.

I think that this may have been the beginning of the end for GP too... On this point, he was right to stand his ground.

Uta
I would like to think that Oscar identifies his targets and that Burke then gets the deal done or not, depending on the targets wishes and those of his parent club. It may have been a tad different this year due to Oscar being new to the club and the market, but for next year, lets hope that Oscar has maximum input, I am sure he will.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: It's a real shame that the Director of Football post exists in the modern game. Surely the man whose neck is on the line week in week out in this result orientated sport should be the one who decides who comes and who goes. They are after all the ones who see the players everyday and have to work with them... Surely they know better than any other what is required to improve. I'd also add that imho the Manager is a far greater lure for a club with a bigger reputation than the guy who seems to be the spanner thrower. I think that this may have been the beginning of the end for GP too... On this point, he was right to stand his ground. Uta[/p][/quote]I would like to think that Oscar identifies his targets and that Burke then gets the deal done or not, depending on the targets wishes and those of his parent club. It may have been a tad different this year due to Oscar being new to the club and the market, but for next year, lets hope that Oscar has maximum input, I am sure he will. VegasSeagull

7:07pm Mon 16 Dec 13

namgo49 says...

A lot of sackings going on and as already said Poyet must have wished he'd hung on for Spurs as I think he would have been in with a good chance of getting it, particularly if he had stuck it out with us and made a decent start to the season. Sunderland are no hopers and will be relegated.

Zola having jacked it in a Watord makes you wonder if they would have done better to have stuck with Dyche who I always thought did a really good job as he never had more than two ha'pennies to rub together.

Middlesbrough will ditch their guy unless he can get a grip on things by the New Year. Freedman must be under close scrutiny at Bolton.

Here we are luxuriating in the land of stability. Play offs remain a possibility but no more than that with the likes of Leeds, Reading, Forest, Burnley, Wigan (who will come good with Rosler) and Derby vying for the four places as I expect QPR and Leicester will get the two top spots.

I have an expectation of lots of thumbs downs!!
A lot of sackings going on and as already said Poyet must have wished he'd hung on for Spurs as I think he would have been in with a good chance of getting it, particularly if he had stuck it out with us and made a decent start to the season. Sunderland are no hopers and will be relegated. Zola having jacked it in a Watord makes you wonder if they would have done better to have stuck with Dyche who I always thought did a really good job as he never had more than two ha'pennies to rub together. Middlesbrough will ditch their guy unless he can get a grip on things by the New Year. Freedman must be under close scrutiny at Bolton. Here we are luxuriating in the land of stability. Play offs remain a possibility but no more than that with the likes of Leeds, Reading, Forest, Burnley, Wigan (who will come good with Rosler) and Derby vying for the four places as I expect QPR and Leicester will get the two top spots. I have an expectation of lots of thumbs downs!! namgo49

7:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

A couple of weeks ago Brighton, along with others, Forest being one, were said to be interested in signing Renan Bressan, I wonder if the Argus could get us an update on this matter.
I checked out his bio and on paper he looks like a rather useful attacking midfielder.
A couple of weeks ago Brighton, along with others, Forest being one, were said to be interested in signing Renan Bressan, I wonder if the Argus could get us an update on this matter. I checked out his bio and on paper he looks like a rather useful attacking midfielder. VegasSeagull

7:31pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

namgo49 wrote:
A lot of sackings going on and as already said Poyet must have wished he'd hung on for Spurs as I think he would have been in with a good chance of getting it, particularly if he had stuck it out with us and made a decent start to the season. Sunderland are no hopers and will be relegated.

Zola having jacked it in a Watord makes you wonder if they would have done better to have stuck with Dyche who I always thought did a really good job as he never had more than two ha'pennies to rub together.

Middlesbrough will ditch their guy unless he can get a grip on things by the New Year. Freedman must be under close scrutiny at Bolton.

Here we are luxuriating in the land of stability. Play offs remain a possibility but no more than that with the likes of Leeds, Reading, Forest, Burnley, Wigan (who will come good with Rosler) and Derby vying for the four places as I expect QPR and Leicester will get the two top spots.

I have an expectation of lots of thumbs downs!!
The only way I can see the Boro guy leaving is if he walks. He's inherited a poor team and needs at least one successful transfer window if he's to make any noticeable difference to the way they play.

Dyche is a good man and is doing amazingly well at Burnley, but it's mostly the old fashioned 'English' management style. I like him though.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: A lot of sackings going on and as already said Poyet must have wished he'd hung on for Spurs as I think he would have been in with a good chance of getting it, particularly if he had stuck it out with us and made a decent start to the season. Sunderland are no hopers and will be relegated. Zola having jacked it in a Watord makes you wonder if they would have done better to have stuck with Dyche who I always thought did a really good job as he never had more than two ha'pennies to rub together. Middlesbrough will ditch their guy unless he can get a grip on things by the New Year. Freedman must be under close scrutiny at Bolton. Here we are luxuriating in the land of stability. Play offs remain a possibility but no more than that with the likes of Leeds, Reading, Forest, Burnley, Wigan (who will come good with Rosler) and Derby vying for the four places as I expect QPR and Leicester will get the two top spots. I have an expectation of lots of thumbs downs!![/p][/quote]The only way I can see the Boro guy leaving is if he walks. He's inherited a poor team and needs at least one successful transfer window if he's to make any noticeable difference to the way they play. Dyche is a good man and is doing amazingly well at Burnley, but it's mostly the old fashioned 'English' management style. I like him though. Ex-pat Arnie

7:32pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Far gull says...

namgo49 wrote:
A lot of sackings going on and as already said Poyet must have wished he'd hung on for Spurs as I think he would have been in with a good chance of getting it, particularly if he had stuck it out with us and made a decent start to the season. Sunderland are no hopers and will be relegated.

Zola having jacked it in a Watord makes you wonder if they would have done better to have stuck with Dyche who I always thought did a really good job as he never had more than two ha'pennies to rub together.

Middlesbrough will ditch their guy unless he can get a grip on things by the New Year. Freedman must be under close scrutiny at Bolton.

Here we are luxuriating in the land of stability. Play offs remain a possibility but no more than that with the likes of Leeds, Reading, Forest, Burnley, Wigan (who will come good with Rosler) and Derby vying for the four places as I expect QPR and Leicester will get the two top spots.

I have an expectation of lots of thumbs downs!!
Two off the current top six will and generally do drop away for whatever reasons form ,injuries or shear bad luck. Two generally step up ,hope its us 5 games from the end as all teams in this division cannot really perfect more than a 10 game winning run together hence we went off the boil come the play offs. only my views ,happy to be voted down.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: A lot of sackings going on and as already said Poyet must have wished he'd hung on for Spurs as I think he would have been in with a good chance of getting it, particularly if he had stuck it out with us and made a decent start to the season. Sunderland are no hopers and will be relegated. Zola having jacked it in a Watord makes you wonder if they would have done better to have stuck with Dyche who I always thought did a really good job as he never had more than two ha'pennies to rub together. Middlesbrough will ditch their guy unless he can get a grip on things by the New Year. Freedman must be under close scrutiny at Bolton. Here we are luxuriating in the land of stability. Play offs remain a possibility but no more than that with the likes of Leeds, Reading, Forest, Burnley, Wigan (who will come good with Rosler) and Derby vying for the four places as I expect QPR and Leicester will get the two top spots. I have an expectation of lots of thumbs downs!![/p][/quote]Two off the current top six will and generally do drop away for whatever reasons form ,injuries or shear bad luck. Two generally step up ,hope its us 5 games from the end as all teams in this division cannot really perfect more than a 10 game winning run together hence we went off the boil come the play offs. only my views ,happy to be voted down. Far gull

7:32pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Vegas: I seem to recall OG saying at the beginning of the season that he was very pleased to have the assistance of Burke when it came to signing players as it wasn't anything he's ever had anything to do with at previous clubs.

Almost all other leagues have the director/coach setup, but it's weird if only the latter ever gets the sack when things to south.
Vegas: I seem to recall OG saying at the beginning of the season that he was very pleased to have the assistance of Burke when it came to signing players as it wasn't anything he's ever had anything to do with at previous clubs. Almost all other leagues have the director/coach setup, but it's weird if only the latter ever gets the sack when things to south. Ex-pat Arnie

7:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Vegas: I seem to recall OG saying at the beginning of the season that he was very pleased to have the assistance of Burke when it came to signing players as it wasn't anything he's ever had anything to do with at previous clubs.

Almost all other leagues have the director/coach setup, but it's weird if only the latter ever gets the sack when things to south.
I would hope for jan that the club have 2-3 players that are needed to take the transition over next 12 months, I also heard Newcastle are tracking van dyke at Celtic .... They would probably pay £5-6 million for him... Was one of the few players given credit for the shambles at Barca.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Vegas: I seem to recall OG saying at the beginning of the season that he was very pleased to have the assistance of Burke when it came to signing players as it wasn't anything he's ever had anything to do with at previous clubs. Almost all other leagues have the director/coach setup, but it's weird if only the latter ever gets the sack when things to south.[/p][/quote]I would hope for jan that the club have 2-3 players that are needed to take the transition over next 12 months, I also heard Newcastle are tracking van dyke at Celtic .... They would probably pay £5-6 million for him... Was one of the few players given credit for the shambles at Barca. mark by the sea

8:47pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Thewithdeanyears says...

Gianfranco Zola! What a manager! We must get him in now! A million times better than Oscar. It's Christmas bumper bonkers bonanza time for managers now, there must be more out of work than in jobs! Oscar must be fretting with so many other options out there, we could and should be doing much better.
Gianfranco Zola! What a manager! We must get him in now! A million times better than Oscar. It's Christmas bumper bonkers bonanza time for managers now, there must be more out of work than in jobs! Oscar must be fretting with so many other options out there, we could and should be doing much better. Thewithdeanyears

8:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Gianfranco Zola! What a manager! We must get him in now! A million times better than Oscar. It's Christmas bumper bonkers bonanza time for managers now, there must be more out of work than in jobs! Oscar must be fretting with so many other options out there, we could and should be doing much better.
Just like that other idiot, you aint clever or funny, just more bull $hite
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Gianfranco Zola! What a manager! We must get him in now! A million times better than Oscar. It's Christmas bumper bonkers bonanza time for managers now, there must be more out of work than in jobs! Oscar must be fretting with so many other options out there, we could and should be doing much better.[/p][/quote]Just like that other idiot, you aint clever or funny, just more bull $hite VegasSeagull

10:10pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Thewithdeanyears wrote:
Gianfranco Zola! What a manager! We must get him in now! A million times better than Oscar. It's Christmas bumper bonkers bonanza time for managers now, there must be more out of work than in jobs! Oscar must be fretting with so many other options out there, we could and should be doing much better.
As should all of the managers who have been sacked, and yet you are underperforming all of them. Feeling any pressure? You're only another poorly thought-out post from having the dreaded vote of confidence by those further up the food chain (of which there are many).
[quote][p][bold]Thewithdeanyears[/bold] wrote: Gianfranco Zola! What a manager! We must get him in now! A million times better than Oscar. It's Christmas bumper bonkers bonanza time for managers now, there must be more out of work than in jobs! Oscar must be fretting with so many other options out there, we could and should be doing much better.[/p][/quote]As should all of the managers who have been sacked, and yet you are underperforming all of them. Feeling any pressure? You're only another poorly thought-out post from having the dreaded vote of confidence by those further up the food chain (of which there are many). Ex-pat Arnie

10:14pm Mon 16 Dec 13

brightonup says...

Same old, same old..

Withdean-ears dangles the same bait, and gets satisfaction from those that bite....
Same old, same old.. Withdean-ears dangles the same bait, and gets satisfaction from those that bite.... brightonup

10:19pm Mon 16 Dec 13

brightonup says...

We really need to stop this stupid cycle.

For goodness' sake resist the temptation! Why give a worthless troll the dignity of a direct response?
Unless of course, you enjoy the pointless exchanges.
We really need to stop this stupid cycle. For goodness' sake resist the temptation! Why give a worthless troll the dignity of a direct response? Unless of course, you enjoy the pointless exchanges. brightonup

11:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mark by the sea says...

brightonup wrote:
We really need to stop this stupid cycle.

For goodness' sake resist the temptation! Why give a worthless troll the dignity of a direct response?
Unless of course, you enjoy the pointless exchanges.
Exactly why I have stayed off here! Don't however much they spout 5hit , just ignore them.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: We really need to stop this stupid cycle. For goodness' sake resist the temptation! Why give a worthless troll the dignity of a direct response? Unless of course, you enjoy the pointless exchanges.[/p][/quote]Exactly why I have stayed off here! Don't however much they spout 5hit , just ignore them. mark by the sea

12:24am Tue 17 Dec 13

Vince says...

Withdeanyears and Ringtone combined make a:-
Withering tome

Describes a crumbling Pulis Palace team and stadium really
Withdeanyears and Ringtone combined make a:- Withering tome Describes a crumbling Pulis Palace team and stadium really Vince

9:44am Tue 17 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

brightonup wrote:
Same old, same old..

Withdean-ears dangles the same bait, and gets satisfaction from those that bite....
I appreciate your sentiment, but there is a difference between biting and replying. Ignoring him has hardly made him disappear, has it?
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: Same old, same old.. Withdean-ears dangles the same bait, and gets satisfaction from those that bite....[/p][/quote]I appreciate your sentiment, but there is a difference between biting and replying. Ignoring him has hardly made him disappear, has it? Ex-pat Arnie

12:17pm Tue 17 Dec 13

brightonup says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
brightonup wrote:
Same old, same old..

Withdean-ears dangles the same bait, and gets satisfaction from those that bite....
I appreciate your sentiment, but there is a difference between biting and replying. Ignoring him has hardly made him disappear, has it?
Agreed Arnie
I am not suggesting we ignore him; I suggest we do not give him the satisfaction of replying DIRECTLY to him.
As far as I am concerned, he and the rest of his crew should be talked about (for the mischievous triffids they are), but there is no advantage in addressing their points or criticising them directly.
As far as I am concerned they are 'non-people' and should be treated as such.
Talk about their stupidity by all means, but I would advise against dialogue with a such a saddo!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: Same old, same old.. Withdean-ears dangles the same bait, and gets satisfaction from those that bite....[/p][/quote]I appreciate your sentiment, but there is a difference between biting and replying. Ignoring him has hardly made him disappear, has it?[/p][/quote]Agreed Arnie I am not suggesting we ignore him; I suggest we do not give him the satisfaction of replying DIRECTLY to him. As far as I am concerned, he and the rest of his crew should be talked about (for the mischievous triffids they are), but there is no advantage in addressing their points or criticising them directly. As far as I am concerned they are 'non-people' and should be treated as such. Talk about their stupidity by all means, but I would advise against dialogue with a such a saddo! brightonup

2:58pm Tue 17 Dec 13

championshipgull says...

The trolls don’t bother me much anymore. When I see them get minus 70 or 80 it makes me smile because I know they are not taking anyone in and are failing at something that is really easy. I would play with them a bit more but I know some get irritated with them and think we shouldn’t reply so I generally respect that. I’m just happy putting in the positives to counter the negatives.

Anyway to possibly finish on a happy note I thought I would reprint Conway’s tweet from after the Boro game

“Thanks everyone for messages! Another great result today! Really enjoyed my time with #BHAFC top club and top fans”
The trolls don’t bother me much anymore. When I see them get minus 70 or 80 it makes me smile because I know they are not taking anyone in and are failing at something that is really easy. I would play with them a bit more but I know some get irritated with them and think we shouldn’t reply so I generally respect that. I’m just happy putting in the positives to counter the negatives. Anyway to possibly finish on a happy note I thought I would reprint Conway’s tweet from after the Boro game “Thanks everyone for messages! Another great result today! Really enjoyed my time with #BHAFC top club and top fans” championshipgull

3:44pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Mancgulled says...

I know -- instead of wasting money on a striker ( one that I saw play a few times at Reading - and very good he was -- ) that we are clearly , for reasons known only to the coaching squad, not going to use - why don't we use those funds to get Conway back? One of the shining stars of recent performances - not a hint of bottling it when he took that beauty from Lopez - who also fortunately seems to be turning back into the Lopez we all remember --
I know -- instead of wasting money on a striker ( one that I saw play a few times at Reading - and very good he was -- ) that we are clearly , for reasons known only to the coaching squad, not going to use - why don't we use those funds to get Conway back? One of the shining stars of recent performances - not a hint of bottling it when he took that beauty from Lopez - who also fortunately seems to be turning back into the Lopez we all remember -- Mancgulled

3:17pm Wed 18 Dec 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Thewithdeanyears says...

Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days!

What sort of idiot are you ? - Villas-Boas has spent £120 million to produce a team that leaks goals. OG has spent next to nothing and got us within spitting distance of the top six.
Thewithdeanyears says... Villas boas about to be sacked, let's swoop for him now! And get Murray back to bang in the goals, happy days! What sort of idiot are you ? - Villas-Boas has spent £120 million to produce a team that leaks goals. OG has spent next to nothing and got us within spitting distance of the top six. B rian Tawses left foot

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