LuaLua on course for starting role

The Argus: Kazenga LuaLua could start on the left wing Kazenga LuaLua could start on the left wing

Kazenga LuaLua is on course for his first Albion start since early October.

And fellow wide man Will Buckley is poised for a return to the squad to face Huddersfield at The Amex on Saturday.

LuaLua is in pole position to replace Craig Conway on the left wing following the expiry of the Scottish international’s loan spell from Cardiff.

The former Newcastle flyer is on the comeback trail after knee surgery.

He aggravated a knee tendon problem in the home defeat by Nottingham Forest on October 5 and had an operation a couple of weeks later.

LuaLua has returned to action as a second-half substitute in the last two matches against Leicester and Middlesbrough.

He is the logical choice as a straight swap for Conway, as that would minimise the disruption to Oscar Garcia’s in-form side.

Buckley can also expect a place in the matchday 18, with Albion back on home soil.

He travelled but did not make the cut for last Saturday’s 1-0 win at Middlesbrough after hurting an ankle on his return from hamstring trouble as a second half substitute in the surprise defeat by Barnsley at The Amex at the start of the month.

Oscar’s assistant, Nathan Jones, said: "We always like to make positive substitutions. We made our first negative decision really (at Middlesbrough). We left Will Buckley out because we put an extra defender on (Lewis Dunk), knowing that Stephen Ward was kind of struggling.”

First choice goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak (stomach strain) and skipper Gordon Greer (calf) remain doubts after missing the Middlesbrough win, with Peter Brezovan and Adam El-Abd on standby to deputise again.

Leo Ulloa is expected to be on the bench again alongside Buckley following the Argentinian striker’s return from a foot bone fracture as a late substitute at Boro.

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7:34am Wed 18 Dec 13

Far gull says...

Pleased about this hoping he can pick up where he left off in October where he I think moved from impact sub to starting position man with a couple of his performances ,before his injury. Believe he has the biggest potential of anyone at the club to change games for us . As his sub role has proved make those contributions over even first 70 minutes most games will have been won by then.
Pleased about this hoping he can pick up where he left off in October where he I think moved from impact sub to starting position man with a couple of his performances ,before his injury. Believe he has the biggest potential of anyone at the club to change games for us . As his sub role has proved make those contributions over even first 70 minutes most games will have been won by then. Far gull

8:10am Wed 18 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

Far gull wrote:
Pleased about this hoping he can pick up where he left off in October where he I think moved from impact sub to starting position man with a couple of his performances ,before his injury. Believe he has the biggest potential of anyone at the club to change games for us . As his sub role has proved make those contributions over even first 70 minutes most games will have been won by then.
Yes, his last two full games proved he can be a ninety minute player, and he was a constant threat and didn't disappear like Lopez often does. If he adds a better delivery to his game like Conway, he will be a serious player for us.

Leo on the bench with Will, wow fantastic for OG to have those options available to him, with Orlandi getting fit and the forgotten man CMS back running, 2014 looks very promising.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Pleased about this hoping he can pick up where he left off in October where he I think moved from impact sub to starting position man with a couple of his performances ,before his injury. Believe he has the biggest potential of anyone at the club to change games for us . As his sub role has proved make those contributions over even first 70 minutes most games will have been won by then.[/p][/quote]Yes, his last two full games proved he can be a ninety minute player, and he was a constant threat and didn't disappear like Lopez often does. If he adds a better delivery to his game like Conway, he will be a serious player for us. Leo on the bench with Will, wow fantastic for OG to have those options available to him, with Orlandi getting fit and the forgotten man CMS back running, 2014 looks very promising. Alfie T

8:10am Wed 18 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

Far gull wrote:
Pleased about this hoping he can pick up where he left off in October where he I think moved from impact sub to starting position man with a couple of his performances ,before his injury. Believe he has the biggest potential of anyone at the club to change games for us . As his sub role has proved make those contributions over even first 70 minutes most games will have been won by then.
Yes, his last two full games proved he can be a ninety minute player, and he was a constant threat and didn't disappear like Lopez often does. If he adds a better delivery to his game like Conway, he will be a serious player for us.

Leo on the bench with Will, wow fantastic for OG to have those options available to him, with Orlandi getting fit and the forgotten man CMS back running, 2014 looks very promising.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Pleased about this hoping he can pick up where he left off in October where he I think moved from impact sub to starting position man with a couple of his performances ,before his injury. Believe he has the biggest potential of anyone at the club to change games for us . As his sub role has proved make those contributions over even first 70 minutes most games will have been won by then.[/p][/quote]Yes, his last two full games proved he can be a ninety minute player, and he was a constant threat and didn't disappear like Lopez often does. If he adds a better delivery to his game like Conway, he will be a serious player for us. Leo on the bench with Will, wow fantastic for OG to have those options available to him, with Orlandi getting fit and the forgotten man CMS back running, 2014 looks very promising. Alfie T

8:26am Wed 18 Dec 13

tug509 says...

I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA
I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA tug509

8:34am Wed 18 Dec 13

Yorkieseagull says...

I would like to see Kaz thundering through the middle, Owen-esque, with defenders not daring to keep a high back line. There were moments against Leicester when he just seemed to run past (tiring) defenders with ease and he would be bound to get at least one of the wild shots on target eventually. Whether he can keep up that sort of pace for 90 minutes is another matter, but hopefully the demoralisation would be complete by then.
I would like to see Kaz thundering through the middle, Owen-esque, with defenders not daring to keep a high back line. There were moments against Leicester when he just seemed to run past (tiring) defenders with ease and he would be bound to get at least one of the wild shots on target eventually. Whether he can keep up that sort of pace for 90 minutes is another matter, but hopefully the demoralisation would be complete by then. Yorkieseagull

9:18am Wed 18 Dec 13

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Nathan said this, Nathan said that... Oscar seems increasingly intent on becoming invisible these days.... Ah well, so long as we keep winning he can say as little as he likes!
Nathan said this, Nathan said that... Oscar seems increasingly intent on becoming invisible these days.... Ah well, so long as we keep winning he can say as little as he likes! Willie, Willie Irvine

9:23am Wed 18 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

tug509 wrote:
I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA
Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA[/p][/quote]Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11? SMF20

9:28am Wed 18 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
I would like to see Kaz thundering through the middle, Owen-esque, with defenders not daring to keep a high back line. There were moments against Leicester when he just seemed to run past (tiring) defenders with ease and he would be bound to get at least one of the wild shots on target eventually. Whether he can keep up that sort of pace for 90 minutes is another matter, but hopefully the demoralisation would be complete by then.
Me too my friend.. I really think that Kaz could be the driving force in the middle that a lot of people have been calling for.

Get Conway back and stick him on the left... Buckley right and it's happy days

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: I would like to see Kaz thundering through the middle, Owen-esque, with defenders not daring to keep a high back line. There were moments against Leicester when he just seemed to run past (tiring) defenders with ease and he would be bound to get at least one of the wild shots on target eventually. Whether he can keep up that sort of pace for 90 minutes is another matter, but hopefully the demoralisation would be complete by then.[/p][/quote]Me too my friend.. I really think that Kaz could be the driving force in the middle that a lot of people have been calling for. Get Conway back and stick him on the left... Buckley right and it's happy days Uta SMF20

9:45am Wed 18 Dec 13

tug509 says...

SMF20 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA
Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?
Good morning SMF20 ,given that we will probably be without ,TK and GG ,i would go with :

Brezovan

Calderon
El Abd
Upson
Ward

Bridcutt

Ince
Crofts

Buckley
Barnes
Lua Lua

With Leo coming on at some point ,depending on how well we are doing,will decide if it is a straight swap for AB or as well as ,the game will decide the other two subs. But i really like Yorkieseagull and yourselfs idea ,of KLL down the middle ,that sounds like it would shake most defences up . UTA
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA[/p][/quote]Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?[/p][/quote]Good morning SMF20 ,given that we will probably be without ,TK and GG ,i would go with : Brezovan Calderon El Abd Upson Ward Bridcutt Ince Crofts Buckley Barnes Lua Lua With Leo coming on at some point ,depending on how well we are doing,will decide if it is a straight swap for AB or as well as ,the game will decide the other two subs. But i really like Yorkieseagull and yourselfs idea ,of KLL down the middle ,that sounds like it would shake most defences up . UTA tug509

10:09am Wed 18 Dec 13

mikeygit says...

Yes great to have Kaz back and others now vying for places. Agree with above posts that we need to score early goals to dominate games and to put the opposition on the back foot early in games. We have the ability to do this and we have done it with early goals from Barnsey. Great potential to make this a good festive period and to make 2014 a sound basis for the future. Lets be The Championships Man City and score loads of goals!!! UTA
Yes great to have Kaz back and others now vying for places. Agree with above posts that we need to score early goals to dominate games and to put the opposition on the back foot early in games. We have the ability to do this and we have done it with early goals from Barnsey. Great potential to make this a good festive period and to make 2014 a sound basis for the future. Lets be The Championships Man City and score loads of goals!!! UTA mikeygit

10:10am Wed 18 Dec 13

SMF20 says...

tug509 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA
Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?
Good morning SMF20 ,given that we will probably be without ,TK and GG ,i would go with :

Brezovan

Calderon
El Abd
Upson
Ward

Bridcutt

Ince
Crofts

Buckley
Barnes
Lua Lua

With Leo coming on at some point ,depending on how well we are doing,will decide if it is a straight swap for AB or as well as ,the game will decide the other two subs. But i really like Yorkieseagull and yourselfs idea ,of KLL down the middle ,that sounds like it would shake most defences up . UTA
Can't argue much with that line up Tug.

I'm a Bruno fan myself so would probably have him in over Calderon but aside from that, it looks good.

I'd like to see Kemy some more game too. I thought he was excellent when he came on against Barnsley... Very strong and very influential.

Roll on Saturday

Uta
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA[/p][/quote]Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?[/p][/quote]Good morning SMF20 ,given that we will probably be without ,TK and GG ,i would go with : Brezovan Calderon El Abd Upson Ward Bridcutt Ince Crofts Buckley Barnes Lua Lua With Leo coming on at some point ,depending on how well we are doing,will decide if it is a straight swap for AB or as well as ,the game will decide the other two subs. But i really like Yorkieseagull and yourselfs idea ,of KLL down the middle ,that sounds like it would shake most defences up . UTA[/p][/quote]Can't argue much with that line up Tug. I'm a Bruno fan myself so would probably have him in over Calderon but aside from that, it looks good. I'd like to see Kemy some more game too. I thought he was excellent when he came on against Barnsley... Very strong and very influential. Roll on Saturday Uta SMF20

10:31am Wed 18 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

SMF20 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA
Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?
Good morning SMF20 ,given that we will probably be without ,TK and GG ,i would go with :

Brezovan

Calderon
El Abd
Upson
Ward

Bridcutt

Ince
Crofts

Buckley
Barnes
Lua Lua

With Leo coming on at some point ,depending on how well we are doing,will decide if it is a straight swap for AB or as well as ,the game will decide the other two subs. But i really like Yorkieseagull and yourselfs idea ,of KLL down the middle ,that sounds like it would shake most defences up . UTA
Can't argue much with that line up Tug.

I'm a Bruno fan myself so would probably have him in over Calderon but aside from that, it looks good.

I'd like to see Kemy some more game too. I thought he was excellent when he came on against Barnsley... Very strong and very influential.

Roll on Saturday

Uta
Good side, but I think Lopez and Bruno will start.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I`m with Far gull ,i think having Kaz ready to start on Saturday is great news ,but we need to make our mark on the game from the beginning ,and not play catch up later on,imho we need to put ourselfs in a strong position with our best players asap ,and kill Huddersfield of by the 70 minute mark ,no scrabbling about for a late equaliser with impact subs coming on with 10 minutes left !. UTA[/p][/quote]Spot on Tug... With that in mind who's your starting 11?[/p][/quote]Good morning SMF20 ,given that we will probably be without ,TK and GG ,i would go with : Brezovan Calderon El Abd Upson Ward Bridcutt Ince Crofts Buckley Barnes Lua Lua With Leo coming on at some point ,depending on how well we are doing,will decide if it is a straight swap for AB or as well as ,the game will decide the other two subs. But i really like Yorkieseagull and yourselfs idea ,of KLL down the middle ,that sounds like it would shake most defences up . UTA[/p][/quote]Can't argue much with that line up Tug. I'm a Bruno fan myself so would probably have him in over Calderon but aside from that, it looks good. I'd like to see Kemy some more game too. I thought he was excellent when he came on against Barnsley... Very strong and very influential. Roll on Saturday Uta[/p][/quote]Good side, but I think Lopez and Bruno will start. Alfie T

10:33am Wed 18 Dec 13

pjwilk says...

Lets hope Buckely and Lua Lua stay fit and have a permanent place in the team same goes for Leo and with CMS getting there we will have a good team going into 2014.
Lets hope Buckely and Lua Lua stay fit and have a permanent place in the team same goes for Leo and with CMS getting there we will have a good team going into 2014. pjwilk

11:02am Wed 18 Dec 13

Notters_Seagull says...

Would love to see Lualua have a good run in the side. His crossing, pace, confidence and determination always seems to improve match by match and he could really help us to get some early goals and kill games off early.
Would love to see Lualua have a good run in the side. His crossing, pace, confidence and determination always seems to improve match by match and he could really help us to get some early goals and kill games off early. Notters_Seagull

12:40pm Wed 18 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Just a thought, is it a given that a wide player can play down the middle. Now I know it's difficult for a center midfield player to have the attributes that a wide player has, does the same apply when the roles are reversed?
To run thru the middle and take on defenders you have to posses very good, on the ball skills, wide players don't, for the most part they need speed and the ability to cross a ball on target. The guys going thru the middle often need a very good first touch, slick player to player short passes, again those playing wide don't.
I can see the attraction of having Kaz play in the middle but I don't think it would work as the roles are so different.
Just a thought, is it a given that a wide player can play down the middle. Now I know it's difficult for a center midfield player to have the attributes that a wide player has, does the same apply when the roles are reversed? To run thru the middle and take on defenders you have to posses very good, on the ball skills, wide players don't, for the most part they need speed and the ability to cross a ball on target. The guys going thru the middle often need a very good first touch, slick player to player short passes, again those playing wide don't. I can see the attraction of having Kaz play in the middle but I don't think it would work as the roles are so different. VegasSeagull

1:01pm Wed 18 Dec 13

fairweathersupporter says...

Of course the other option on the left with the impending return of Big Len is Barnes....
Conway played very well in recent games, wide midfielder rather than pacey winger and i'd like to see him return. Lua Lua has shown that he has more to his game than his step over and pace this season but is prone to over reliance on both. Barnes was very good out wide supporting Big Len last season and whilst he is now starting to grind out a trade as our hold up striker (and no doubt would not relinquish it gladly), we all know what will happen if the goals dry up and Ulloa is fully fit.
Lua Lua is very effective against teams that push up on us and tiring teams as an impact sub but i wonder how he will fair with the pressing game played in the opponents half (like Leicester).
Anyway options are a gooood thing. UTA
Of course the other option on the left with the impending return of Big Len is Barnes.... Conway played very well in recent games, wide midfielder rather than pacey winger and i'd like to see him return. Lua Lua has shown that he has more to his game than his step over and pace this season but is prone to over reliance on both. Barnes was very good out wide supporting Big Len last season and whilst he is now starting to grind out a trade as our hold up striker (and no doubt would not relinquish it gladly), we all know what will happen if the goals dry up and Ulloa is fully fit. Lua Lua is very effective against teams that push up on us and tiring teams as an impact sub but i wonder how he will fair with the pressing game played in the opponents half (like Leicester). Anyway options are a gooood thing. UTA fairweathersupporter

1:55pm Wed 18 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

One for Tug, Oxford to win away from home at odds of 6/4.
One for Tug, Oxford to win away from home at odds of 6/4. VegasSeagull

2:43pm Wed 18 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad.
I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.
Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad. I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct. VegasSeagull

3:45pm Wed 18 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad.
I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.
A further report on a different site suggests that Poyet might also want to sign Wayne Bridge, can't see that one happening, and right now he is out injured.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad. I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.[/p][/quote]A further report on a different site suggests that Poyet might also want to sign Wayne Bridge, can't see that one happening, and right now he is out injured. VegasSeagull

4:23pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad.
I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.
He may well, but with that Korean playing the deep-lying midfield role at Sunderland (and doing it very well by all accounts) where would Bridcutt even fit in?

I still like to think that OG/Barber/Burke/Bloo
m will tell Sunderland to do one when they call :-)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad. I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.[/p][/quote]He may well, but with that Korean playing the deep-lying midfield role at Sunderland (and doing it very well by all accounts) where would Bridcutt even fit in? I still like to think that OG/Barber/Burke/Bloo m will tell Sunderland to do one when they call :-) Ex-pat Arnie

4:42pm Wed 18 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad.
I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.
He may well, but with that Korean playing the deep-lying midfield role at Sunderland (and doing it very well by all accounts) where would Bridcutt even fit in?

I still like to think that OG/Barber/Burke/Bloo

m will tell Sunderland to do one when they call :-)
Yep you are right but Poyet might want to use him in tandem just as we now do with Ince, if not, he will pay a lot of money for a cover player.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad. I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.[/p][/quote]He may well, but with that Korean playing the deep-lying midfield role at Sunderland (and doing it very well by all accounts) where would Bridcutt even fit in? I still like to think that OG/Barber/Burke/Bloo m will tell Sunderland to do one when they call :-)[/p][/quote]Yep you are right but Poyet might want to use him in tandem just as we now do with Ince, if not, he will pay a lot of money for a cover player. VegasSeagull

5:00pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad.
I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.
He may well, but with that Korean playing the deep-lying midfield role at Sunderland (and doing it very well by all accounts) where would Bridcutt even fit in?

I still like to think that OG/Barber/Burke/Bloo


m will tell Sunderland to do one when they call :-)
Yep you are right but Poyet might want to use him in tandem just as we now do with Ince, if not, he will pay a lot of money for a cover player.
We NOW play Bridcutt with a similar player - under OG - but Poyet showed no signs of ever wanting to do that himself.

Safest just to assume we'll lose all our best players and then any that are left come February can be seen as a bonus ;-)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Sports Direct News are running a story that states that Poyet will, 'raid his old club,' with Bridcutt being the target. The article says that Poyet is to be given money to improve his squad. I guess we just sit back now and wait to hear what the offer is, assuming that the story is correct.[/p][/quote]He may well, but with that Korean playing the deep-lying midfield role at Sunderland (and doing it very well by all accounts) where would Bridcutt even fit in? I still like to think that OG/Barber/Burke/Bloo m will tell Sunderland to do one when they call :-)[/p][/quote]Yep you are right but Poyet might want to use him in tandem just as we now do with Ince, if not, he will pay a lot of money for a cover player.[/p][/quote]We NOW play Bridcutt with a similar player - under OG - but Poyet showed no signs of ever wanting to do that himself. Safest just to assume we'll lose all our best players and then any that are left come February can be seen as a bonus ;-) Ex-pat Arnie

5:48pm Wed 18 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Arnie, if most people would say that Bridders, Ulloa and TK are potential prem level players, do you really think that all three would be allowed to go once the window opens? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that offers could come for all three in the next window, could our club do the unthinkable and sell them.
I haven't a clue as to what we might be offered but a total figure of 10 million might not be far off, could be more, is that the sort of figure we would find it hard to refuse, no matter what the break down might be.

If a cash offer of 3 to 4 million came in for Bridcutt, 5 to 6 million for Ulloa and 1 to 1.5 for TK, could we turn down that sort of money. Ince for Bridders, Andrews as backup until the end of the season, Brez/Ankergren for TK, and buy a new striker, and we have CMS coming back sooner or later. If these sales did go thru would our promotion hopes be dashed, we have got where we are for the most part without Bridcutt and Ulloa and Brez seems to have stepped up to the plate.

I can't see those offers coming in but if they did, I think I would say yes to all of them. What happens at the end of the season doesn't really matter so much as we will have time to get replacements but the window, that poses different questions.
Arnie, if most people would say that Bridders, Ulloa and TK are potential prem level players, do you really think that all three would be allowed to go once the window opens? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that offers could come for all three in the next window, could our club do the unthinkable and sell them. I haven't a clue as to what we might be offered but a total figure of 10 million might not be far off, could be more, is that the sort of figure we would find it hard to refuse, no matter what the break down might be. If a cash offer of 3 to 4 million came in for Bridcutt, 5 to 6 million for Ulloa and 1 to 1.5 for TK, could we turn down that sort of money. Ince for Bridders, Andrews as backup until the end of the season, Brez/Ankergren for TK, and buy a new striker, and we have CMS coming back sooner or later. If these sales did go thru would our promotion hopes be dashed, we have got where we are for the most part without Bridcutt and Ulloa and Brez seems to have stepped up to the plate. I can't see those offers coming in but if they did, I think I would say yes to all of them. What happens at the end of the season doesn't really matter so much as we will have time to get replacements but the window, that poses different questions. VegasSeagull

6:08pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

The problem with worrying about our gems is that any sale would show a lack of ambition. I could see Bridders go cos we have Ince, Andrewd and Augustien nut Ulloa and TK no, not in January anyeay.
The problem with worrying about our gems is that any sale would show a lack of ambition. I could see Bridders go cos we have Ince, Andrewd and Augustien nut Ulloa and TK no, not in January anyeay. bbb1969

7:27pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Arnie, if most people would say that Bridders, Ulloa and TK are potential prem level players, do you really think that all three would be allowed to go once the window opens? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that offers could come for all three in the next window, could our club do the unthinkable and sell them.
I haven't a clue as to what we might be offered but a total figure of 10 million might not be far off, could be more, is that the sort of figure we would find it hard to refuse, no matter what the break down might be.

If a cash offer of 3 to 4 million came in for Bridcutt, 5 to 6 million for Ulloa and 1 to 1.5 for TK, could we turn down that sort of money. Ince for Bridders, Andrews as backup until the end of the season, Brez/Ankergren for TK, and buy a new striker, and we have CMS coming back sooner or later. If these sales did go thru would our promotion hopes be dashed, we have got where we are for the most part without Bridcutt and Ulloa and Brez seems to have stepped up to the plate.

I can't see those offers coming in but if they did, I think I would say yes to all of them. What happens at the end of the season doesn't really matter so much as we will have time to get replacements but the window, that poses different questions.
The fact we have got where we are without LB and LU shows exactly how well we would cope without them. We could cope fine. But coping is a very different thing to climbing up the table and gaining promotion.

We could make a large profit by selling them, but is that why they were got in the first place? I'm sure Ulloa was bought with the sole purpose of getting us into the top flight, but if someone offers, say, £7m, for a player we picked up for £2m, would we be stupid to accept it? Turning down an offer is the same as buying a player for the same price: i.e. we would rather have the player than the money.

£10m+ is a lot of money, but if that was reinvested into the squad would we be any stronger than if we kept the players? And this doesn't take into account the players' own wishes; TK and LB have both stated in recent weeks their wish to play in the Premier League, and one assumes Ulloa is exactly the same.

That's a long-winded way of saying... I don't know!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Arnie, if most people would say that Bridders, Ulloa and TK are potential prem level players, do you really think that all three would be allowed to go once the window opens? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that offers could come for all three in the next window, could our club do the unthinkable and sell them. I haven't a clue as to what we might be offered but a total figure of 10 million might not be far off, could be more, is that the sort of figure we would find it hard to refuse, no matter what the break down might be. If a cash offer of 3 to 4 million came in for Bridcutt, 5 to 6 million for Ulloa and 1 to 1.5 for TK, could we turn down that sort of money. Ince for Bridders, Andrews as backup until the end of the season, Brez/Ankergren for TK, and buy a new striker, and we have CMS coming back sooner or later. If these sales did go thru would our promotion hopes be dashed, we have got where we are for the most part without Bridcutt and Ulloa and Brez seems to have stepped up to the plate. I can't see those offers coming in but if they did, I think I would say yes to all of them. What happens at the end of the season doesn't really matter so much as we will have time to get replacements but the window, that poses different questions.[/p][/quote]The fact we have got where we are without LB and LU shows exactly how well we would cope without them. We could cope fine. But coping is a very different thing to climbing up the table and gaining promotion. We could make a large profit by selling them, but is that why they were got in the first place? I'm sure Ulloa was bought with the sole purpose of getting us into the top flight, but if someone offers, say, £7m, for a player we picked up for £2m, would we be stupid to accept it? Turning down an offer is the same as buying a player for the same price: i.e. we would rather have the player than the money. £10m+ is a lot of money, but if that was reinvested into the squad would we be any stronger than if we kept the players? And this doesn't take into account the players' own wishes; TK and LB have both stated in recent weeks their wish to play in the Premier League, and one assumes Ulloa is exactly the same. That's a long-winded way of saying... I don't know! Ex-pat Arnie

8:04pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Far gull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Arnie, if most people would say that Bridders, Ulloa and TK are potential prem level players, do you really think that all three would be allowed to go once the window opens? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that offers could come for all three in the next window, could our club do the unthinkable and sell them.
I haven't a clue as to what we might be offered but a total figure of 10 million might not be far off, could be more, is that the sort of figure we would find it hard to refuse, no matter what the break down might be.

If a cash offer of 3 to 4 million came in for Bridcutt, 5 to 6 million for Ulloa and 1 to 1.5 for TK, could we turn down that sort of money. Ince for Bridders, Andrews as backup until the end of the season, Brez/Ankergren for TK, and buy a new striker, and we have CMS coming back sooner or later. If these sales did go thru would our promotion hopes be dashed, we have got where we are for the most part without Bridcutt and Ulloa and Brez seems to have stepped up to the plate.

I can't see those offers coming in but if they did, I think I would say yes to all of them. What happens at the end of the season doesn't really matter so much as we will have time to get replacements but the window, that poses different questions.
The fact we have got where we are without LB and LU shows exactly how well we would cope without them. We could cope fine. But coping is a very different thing to climbing up the table and gaining promotion.

We could make a large profit by selling them, but is that why they were got in the first place? I'm sure Ulloa was bought with the sole purpose of getting us into the top flight, but if someone offers, say, £7m, for a player we picked up for £2m, would we be stupid to accept it? Turning down an offer is the same as buying a player for the same price: i.e. we would rather have the player than the money.

£10m+ is a lot of money, but if that was reinvested into the squad would we be any stronger than if we kept the players? And this doesn't take into account the players' own wishes; TK and LB have both stated in recent weeks their wish to play in the Premier League, and one assumes Ulloa is exactly the same.

That's a long-winded way of saying... I don't know!
Would have to be big offers for all to tempt tony ,don't forget 15 for all three is not 120 for promotion and we have a gambler don't forget as our leader.
Yes we have cover,but IMHO Andrews a pale immatation of Ince let alone Liam ! As Spurs have found not easy to replace even 6 v good for one outstanding and hope to get anywhere quick !!! Cannot see any player leaving in Jan to Sunderland or any bottom area club of prem ,money good for a couple of years ,that's it, not a whole season in prem on offer ,far better to wait until Summer for all concered.
As for Wayne Bridge scenario ,this is only hearsay but rumour he got a golden hello of 10 m yes I said 10 if that is true ,no way he will be allowed to leave Reading. We had best value out of him anyone has had in years. Bit like Adebayor. Once they money and feet under table ??
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Arnie, if most people would say that Bridders, Ulloa and TK are potential prem level players, do you really think that all three would be allowed to go once the window opens? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that offers could come for all three in the next window, could our club do the unthinkable and sell them. I haven't a clue as to what we might be offered but a total figure of 10 million might not be far off, could be more, is that the sort of figure we would find it hard to refuse, no matter what the break down might be. If a cash offer of 3 to 4 million came in for Bridcutt, 5 to 6 million for Ulloa and 1 to 1.5 for TK, could we turn down that sort of money. Ince for Bridders, Andrews as backup until the end of the season, Brez/Ankergren for TK, and buy a new striker, and we have CMS coming back sooner or later. If these sales did go thru would our promotion hopes be dashed, we have got where we are for the most part without Bridcutt and Ulloa and Brez seems to have stepped up to the plate. I can't see those offers coming in but if they did, I think I would say yes to all of them. What happens at the end of the season doesn't really matter so much as we will have time to get replacements but the window, that poses different questions.[/p][/quote]The fact we have got where we are without LB and LU shows exactly how well we would cope without them. We could cope fine. But coping is a very different thing to climbing up the table and gaining promotion. We could make a large profit by selling them, but is that why they were got in the first place? I'm sure Ulloa was bought with the sole purpose of getting us into the top flight, but if someone offers, say, £7m, for a player we picked up for £2m, would we be stupid to accept it? Turning down an offer is the same as buying a player for the same price: i.e. we would rather have the player than the money. £10m+ is a lot of money, but if that was reinvested into the squad would we be any stronger than if we kept the players? And this doesn't take into account the players' own wishes; TK and LB have both stated in recent weeks their wish to play in the Premier League, and one assumes Ulloa is exactly the same. That's a long-winded way of saying... I don't know![/p][/quote]Would have to be big offers for all to tempt tony ,don't forget 15 for all three is not 120 for promotion and we have a gambler don't forget as our leader. Yes we have cover,but IMHO Andrews a pale immatation of Ince let alone Liam ! As Spurs have found not easy to replace even 6 v good for one outstanding and hope to get anywhere quick !!! Cannot see any player leaving in Jan to Sunderland or any bottom area club of prem ,money good for a couple of years ,that's it, not a whole season in prem on offer ,far better to wait until Summer for all concered. As for Wayne Bridge scenario ,this is only hearsay but rumour he got a golden hello of 10 m yes I said 10 if that is true ,no way he will be allowed to leave Reading. We had best value out of him anyone has had in years. Bit like Adebayor. Once they money and feet under table ?? Far gull

10:01pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mikeygit says...

Come Jan will have to wait to see where Sunderland are in the League--if they are near the bottom would any of our players want to go all the way up there with the prospect of coming back into the Championship next season??
Come Jan will have to wait to see where Sunderland are in the League--if they are near the bottom would any of our players want to go all the way up there with the prospect of coming back into the Championship next season?? mikeygit

10:05pm Wed 18 Dec 13

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
One for Tug, Oxford to win away from home at odds of 6/4.
Miserable lot .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: One for Tug, Oxford to win away from home at odds of 6/4.[/p][/quote]Miserable lot . tug509

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