Ulloa's absence masked by Barnes

The Argus: Leo Ulloa (left) could make his first home appearance since the start of October at The Amex tomorrow. Leo Ulloa (left) could make his first home appearance since the start of October at The Amex tomorrow.

When Leo Ulloa was stretchered off at The Amex on the first day of October, Albion fans feared the worst.

They were concerned about how long the talismanic Argentinian striker would be out for and how Oscar Garcia's team would cope in his absence.

The worries multiplied when the Seagulls lost their first game without him, 3-1 at home to Nottingham Forest.

Yet here we are, almost 12 weeks later. Ulloa is on the brink of his Amex comeback from a fractured foot bone, with Albion in great shape.

They have been beaten only once more in nine outings since that Forest setback. Victory at home to mid-table Huddersfield tomorrow, combined with a couple of favourable results elsewhere, could see Oscar's side head into Christmas in a play-off spot.

It would be wrong to say Ulloa has not been missed. How could Albion not miss the target man who has plundered 14 goals in 26 starts since his arrival from Spanish club Almeria in January, led the line so effectively and been a useful defender as well at set pieces with his aerial power?

What they have managed to do though, better than those fearful supporters dared to imagine, is disguise the impact of losing him.

Ashley Barnes, along with Oscar and his coaching staff, deserve credit for that. Barnes has vindicated the faith displayed in him and stepped up to the plate in style.

Oscar's assistant, Nathan Jones, said: "We're not arrogant but we're confident in what we do. We've worked with Ashley to replace him (Ulloa) and Ashley has done fantastically well. He's a different player now.

"I've watched games from last year and he's a different player in lots of ways and he's worked hard. He has stepped into Leo's shoes fantastically well.

"He's got five or six goals, he's worked hard and his productivity is so much more now.

"That's a credit to him and also the coaching staff. We wouldn't have envisaged we would be on this run, because you are never that presumptuous, but we are happy with where we are at the moment.

"There is still a long way to go and we still have work to do, because we can get better."

Albion will be a better team with Ulloa available but there is no need now to rush him back into service. He can be eased in gradually, as was the case with Liam Bridcutt.

Ulloa, it is worth bearing in mind, has only played 102 minutes since scoring a late equaliser against Millwall at The Amex at the end of August.

He was sent-off in the first half at Reading in September and injured early in the second half against Sheffield Wednesday.

He returned as a late replacement for Barnes at Middlesbrough last Saturday, will be on the bench again tomorrow and perhaps beyond that.

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3:29pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

If Ulloa is at 70% physical fitness how many cameo appearances does it take to bring him to 100%, do twenty minutes here and there really get the job done? Is there more to be gained by having him start and see how he feels at half time? He tells us that the foot injury is 100% healed, so I assume he is talking about puff when he says 70% fit.
What do you guys think?
If Ulloa is at 70% physical fitness how many cameo appearances does it take to bring him to 100%, do twenty minutes here and there really get the job done? Is there more to be gained by having him start and see how he feels at half time? He tells us that the foot injury is 100% healed, so I assume he is talking about puff when he says 70% fit. What do you guys think? VegasSeagull

3:33pm Fri 20 Dec 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Perhaps negative posts about Barnes will stop now. He's made a hell of a contribution to the team being where it is now. As Nathan Jones says - he's a different player now'.
Perhaps negative posts about Barnes will stop now. He's made a hell of a contribution to the team being where it is now. As Nathan Jones says - he's a different player now'. B rian Tawses left foot

3:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Joel'sGrandad says...

Welcome back Leo but you'll have to go some to get Ashley out of the team. UTA
Welcome back Leo but you'll have to go some to get Ashley out of the team. UTA Joel'sGrandad

3:59pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If Ulloa is at 70% physical fitness how many cameo appearances does it take to bring him to 100%, do twenty minutes here and there really get the job done? Is there more to be gained by having him start and see how he feels at half time? He tells us that the foot injury is 100% healed, so I assume he is talking about puff when he says 70% fit.
What do you guys think?
It sounds like nothing more than a stamina thing, which he will build by playing minutes, either in a match or in training. At least it's stuff then he can work on during the week.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Ulloa is at 70% physical fitness how many cameo appearances does it take to bring him to 100%, do twenty minutes here and there really get the job done? Is there more to be gained by having him start and see how he feels at half time? He tells us that the foot injury is 100% healed, so I assume he is talking about puff when he says 70% fit. What do you guys think?[/p][/quote]It sounds like nothing more than a stamina thing, which he will build by playing minutes, either in a match or in training. At least it's stuff then he can work on during the week. Ex-pat Arnie

4:11pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Yep that's my question, does he regain stamina quicker by starting a match than coming on for the last twenty. With his prowess for scoring goals we could have a match won by the time he runs out of puff.
It should be noted that I am only asking a question and not stating an opinion as I honestly don't know what is best.
Yep that's my question, does he regain stamina quicker by starting a match than coming on for the last twenty. With his prowess for scoring goals we could have a match won by the time he runs out of puff. It should be noted that I am only asking a question and not stating an opinion as I honestly don't know what is best. VegasSeagull

4:28pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Far gull says...

Start him and switch when game won ;-) vegas . barnes has given his all and i hope will continue ,but leo a different class i was going to say, but in fairness is a different type of player. Barnes in behind or when fit cms.
Who knows what oscar will do , but leo is our out and out target man and the best header of a ball i have seen at the Albion since Micheal Robinson or ian Mellor .
Start him and switch when game won ;-) vegas . barnes has given his all and i hope will continue ,but leo a different class i was going to say, but in fairness is a different type of player. Barnes in behind or when fit cms. Who knows what oscar will do , but leo is our out and out target man and the best header of a ball i have seen at the Albion since Micheal Robinson or ian Mellor . Far gull

4:32pm Fri 20 Dec 13

graham w says...

Having broken 2 metatarsals at different times and had two fusion and screws I wouldnt want to rush him back 20 mins the 30 mins a half its dangerous to push him to much only want the wrong sort of tackles and we are back to square one. ..and I love the bloke and want 90 mins...im sure oscar knows best..
Having broken 2 metatarsals at different times and had two fusion and screws I wouldnt want to rush him back 20 mins the 30 mins a half its dangerous to push him to much only want the wrong sort of tackles and we are back to square one. ..and I love the bloke and want 90 mins...im sure oscar knows best.. graham w

4:57pm Fri 20 Dec 13

graham w says...

Ive just looked at prices for albions away game at Derby £29 plus £ 1.50 booking fee. Christ derby your shooting yourself in foot at those prices........we would have had at least 1500 there but not at those prices...
Ive just looked at prices for albions away game at Derby £29 plus £ 1.50 booking fee. Christ derby your shooting yourself in foot at those prices........we would have had at least 1500 there but not at those prices... graham w

5:15pm Fri 20 Dec 13

namgo49 says...

Really looking forward to his return. I reckon he was about 70% of the fitness you need when he first came came to the club so a good few games off yet, we must be patient!!
Really looking forward to his return. I reckon he was about 70% of the fitness you need when he first came came to the club so a good few games off yet, we must be patient!! namgo49

5:25pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Gee Jay says...

Derby obviously see us as top class opponents, hence the price.
By the way, if you are going to Derby give a miss to the outside catering van behind the away end..............let
's just say quantity does not make up for quality.
Derby obviously see us as top class opponents, hence the price. By the way, if you are going to Derby give a miss to the outside catering van behind the away end..............let 's just say quantity does not make up for quality. Gee Jay

5:35pm Fri 20 Dec 13

bbb1969 says...

I have a trip to the Derby game as I can see family again. Found a really nice pub on the way about 10 mins drive from the ground; can't remember the name but it did some great nibbles and one of the friendliest places I have ever been with both sets of supporters having a good chat before and after the game. Not sure it will be that friendly when we hammer them.
I have a trip to the Derby game as I can see family again. Found a really nice pub on the way about 10 mins drive from the ground; can't remember the name but it did some great nibbles and one of the friendliest places I have ever been with both sets of supporters having a good chat before and after the game. Not sure it will be that friendly when we hammer them. bbb1969

6:43pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Alfie T says...

Far gull wrote:
Start him and switch when game won ;-) vegas . barnes has given his all and i hope will continue ,but leo a different class i was going to say, but in fairness is a different type of player. Barnes in behind or when fit cms.
Who knows what oscar will do , but leo is our out and out target man and the best header of a ball i have seen at the Albion since Micheal Robinson or ian Mellor .
Got to add Murray to that list Far Gull, he was brilliant in the air, in attack and defence. Leo's fitness will take time, match fitness will take time, but we don't have to rush him back, look where we are with Barnes doing a job. Agree though, Leo is different gravy as a target man, and when fully fit starts every game, Barnes will either play just behind or on the bench, definitely deserves to be very involved.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Start him and switch when game won ;-) vegas . barnes has given his all and i hope will continue ,but leo a different class i was going to say, but in fairness is a different type of player. Barnes in behind or when fit cms. Who knows what oscar will do , but leo is our out and out target man and the best header of a ball i have seen at the Albion since Micheal Robinson or ian Mellor .[/p][/quote]Got to add Murray to that list Far Gull, he was brilliant in the air, in attack and defence. Leo's fitness will take time, match fitness will take time, but we don't have to rush him back, look where we are with Barnes doing a job. Agree though, Leo is different gravy as a target man, and when fully fit starts every game, Barnes will either play just behind or on the bench, definitely deserves to be very involved. Alfie T

6:49pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Uckfield Seagull says...

Myabe the dream is not so far away, UTA

Tomas
Bruno
Upson
Greer
Ward

Bridcutt
Ince

Crofts
Buckley
Lua Lua
Ulloa


Subs
CMS, Barnes, Orlandi, Lopez, Kemy, Adam, Calderon, Andrews,
Myabe the dream is not so far away, UTA Tomas Bruno Upson Greer Ward Bridcutt Ince Crofts Buckley Lua Lua Ulloa Subs CMS, Barnes, Orlandi, Lopez, Kemy, Adam, Calderon, Andrews, Uckfield Seagull

7:25pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

It's a shame Ulloa will not have Conway's crosses to get on the end of, at least not for a while anyway.
It's a shame Ulloa will not have Conway's crosses to get on the end of, at least not for a while anyway. Baldseagull

7:32pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Hovite says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Myabe the dream is not so far away, UTA

Tomas
Bruno
Upson
Greer
Ward

Bridcutt
Ince

Crofts
Buckley
Lua Lua
Ulloa


Subs
CMS, Barnes, Orlandi, Lopez, Kemy, Adam, Calderon, Andrews,
Ulloa and KLL are both coming back from injury so KLL will start with Barnes, but Ulloa will come on for KLL with Barnes dropping to the left wing.

Lopez will start but if Buckley is fit he will replace him at 65 mins. If Buckley isn't ready Agustien will come on for Lopez but Bridcutt will have to slot on the right wing.

Thats how I see it could happen
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Myabe the dream is not so far away, UTA Tomas Bruno Upson Greer Ward Bridcutt Ince Crofts Buckley Lua Lua Ulloa Subs CMS, Barnes, Orlandi, Lopez, Kemy, Adam, Calderon, Andrews,[/p][/quote]Ulloa and KLL are both coming back from injury so KLL will start with Barnes, but Ulloa will come on for KLL with Barnes dropping to the left wing. Lopez will start but if Buckley is fit he will replace him at 65 mins. If Buckley isn't ready Agustien will come on for Lopez but Bridcutt will have to slot on the right wing. Thats how I see it could happen Hovite

7:53pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Myabe the dream is not so far away, UTA

Tomas
Bruno
Upson
Greer
Ward

Bridcutt
Ince

Crofts
Buckley
Lua Lua
Ulloa


Subs
CMS, Barnes, Orlandi, Lopez, Kemy, Adam, Calderon, Andrews,
Not so sure that Oscar will start a 70% fit Ulloa, he looks like one for the bench, and if he were to, I think Barnes would play out wide, I just can't see Barnes being stood down.
Kaz or Buckley starting, yeah, can see that.
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Myabe the dream is not so far away, UTA Tomas Bruno Upson Greer Ward Bridcutt Ince Crofts Buckley Lua Lua Ulloa Subs CMS, Barnes, Orlandi, Lopez, Kemy, Adam, Calderon, Andrews,[/p][/quote]Not so sure that Oscar will start a 70% fit Ulloa, he looks like one for the bench, and if he were to, I think Barnes would play out wide, I just can't see Barnes being stood down. Kaz or Buckley starting, yeah, can see that. VegasSeagull

7:58pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

In light of the game plan that Oscar had for Leicester, the way that plan was carried out, and the players selected for that plan, I don't expect too much to change regarding the line up, except of course someone for Conway and perhaps Tomas for Brez.
In light of the game plan that Oscar had for Leicester, the way that plan was carried out, and the players selected for that plan, I don't expect too much to change regarding the line up, except of course someone for Conway and perhaps Tomas for Brez. VegasSeagull

8:00pm Fri 20 Dec 13

impose our game gull says...

We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow.

UTA!!
We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow. UTA!! impose our game gull

8:29pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

impose our game gull wrote:
We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow.

UTA!!
With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time.

Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it.
Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.
[quote][p][bold]impose our game gull[/bold] wrote: We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow. UTA!![/p][/quote]With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time. Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it. Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man. VegasSeagull

8:45pm Fri 20 Dec 13

wiseman of hove says...

I fully expect Barnes to start tomorrow. He certainly deserves to on the back of his recent performances. Ulloa's twenty minutes or so will be better at the end of the game for me, rather than the start. I'm one supporter who has had to revise his opinion of Barnes. Friendly team mates no doubt, but if Barnes starts as fully expected, he will be trying his hardest to ensure Ulloa's twenty minutes will be at the expense of somebody else.
I fully expect Barnes to start tomorrow. He certainly deserves to on the back of his recent performances. Ulloa's twenty minutes or so will be better at the end of the game for me, rather than the start. I'm one supporter who has had to revise his opinion of Barnes. Friendly team mates no doubt, but if Barnes starts as fully expected, he will be trying his hardest to ensure Ulloa's twenty minutes will be at the expense of somebody else. wiseman of hove

8:52pm Fri 20 Dec 13

college says...

"Albion will be a better team with Ulloa available"
Presumptive and a little detrimental to the TEAM out there at the moment. I'm glad he's on the way back but I don't know if one player can improve the overall TEAM effort that the current squad have been putting in.
Not being negative, just taking issue over one line in the article, still think we can make it even if some ham footed clogger puts Leo out again, the current squad is playing well and full of confidence so what's to stop us :-)
"Albion will be a better team with Ulloa available" Presumptive and a little detrimental to the TEAM out there at the moment. I'm glad he's on the way back but I don't know if one player can improve the overall TEAM effort that the current squad have been putting in. Not being negative, just taking issue over one line in the article, still think we can make it even if some ham footed clogger puts Leo out again, the current squad is playing well and full of confidence so what's to stop us :-) college

9:30pm Fri 20 Dec 13

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
impose our game gull wrote:
We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow.

UTA!!
With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time.

Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it.
Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.
With regard to your last comment on Barnes.

Why would you drop Brez 2 games 2 wins, 1 goal conceded.

Quote "what more do you want from the man"
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]impose our game gull[/bold] wrote: We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow. UTA!![/p][/quote]With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time. Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it. Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.[/p][/quote]With regard to your last comment on Barnes. Why would you drop Brez 2 games 2 wins, 1 goal conceded. Quote "what more do you want from the man" ringtone

9:34pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

The only burning question left to ask about tomorrow is, what are the names of Tug's five teams that he has selected for his bet. We all know one of them, it's the other four that matter.
The only burning question left to ask about tomorrow is, what are the names of Tug's five teams that he has selected for his bet. We all know one of them, it's the other four that matter. VegasSeagull

9:37pm Fri 20 Dec 13

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The only burning question left to ask about tomorrow is, what are the names of Tug's five teams that he has selected for his bet. We all know one of them, it's the other four that matter.
Yes i bet the major bookmakers are quaking in their boots trying to lay off Tugs speculative £1.00 each way acca
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The only burning question left to ask about tomorrow is, what are the names of Tug's five teams that he has selected for his bet. We all know one of them, it's the other four that matter.[/p][/quote]Yes i bet the major bookmakers are quaking in their boots trying to lay off Tugs speculative £1.00 each way acca ringtone

9:54pm Fri 20 Dec 13

ringtone says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
impose our game gull wrote:
We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow.

UTA!!
With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time.

Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it.
Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.
With regard to your last comment on Barnes.

Why would you drop Brez 2 games 2 wins, 1 goal conceded.

Quote "what more do you want from the man"
Come on Vegas, answer the question

Pride is a fool's fortress
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]impose our game gull[/bold] wrote: We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow. UTA!![/p][/quote]With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time. Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it. Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.[/p][/quote]With regard to your last comment on Barnes. Why would you drop Brez 2 games 2 wins, 1 goal conceded. Quote "what more do you want from the man"[/p][/quote]Come on Vegas, answer the question Pride is a fool's fortress ringtone

11:01pm Fri 20 Dec 13

VegasSeagull says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
impose our game gull wrote:
We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow.

UTA!!
With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time.

Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it.
Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.
With regard to your last comment on Barnes.

Why would you drop Brez 2 games 2 wins, 1 goal conceded.

Quote "what more do you want from the man"
what the duck are you talking about, I never mentioned Brez as I was talking about Barnes when answering the person I quoted. You really are $hite at trying to be clever
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]impose our game gull[/bold] wrote: We could still do with another marksman - that much is clear. 5 goals - 2 of them pens, one great goal, 2 close ups and numerous missed make that very clear - in perhaps 15 starts?. Ashley works his socks off and has broadly sorted his petulance, that is clear - but take a look at our home stats. All it will take is for Ulloa to be injured again and we'll be on the back foot assuming Leroy isn't with us. Looking at other strong competitors in our division, the need for another decent marksman is still strong - watch the shooting practise before the match tomorrow. UTA!![/p][/quote]With respect I think that your evaluation of Barnes is a tad off. I don't think one can really evaluate Barnes over all the games this season, I would seem fair to me to look at his performances since the addition of Conway, and then Bridcutt and now both Bridcutt and Ince playing at the same time. Strikers score goals mostly on the back of the service they are given, and for a while the service to Barnes was not what he needed. There were some matches where he was the only striker we had, other than DS lads, and he knew that the club could ill afford for him to get injured. Barnes has been finding the net ever since he stepped up and score from the penalty spot, taking that penalty took guts but he needed to take it. Barnes will start tomorrow and I doubt Ulloa will, if Barnes scores again Oscar will find it really hard to drop him no matter who is fit. What is it now, five goals from the last six matches, what more do you want from the man.[/p][/quote]With regard to your last comment on Barnes. Why would you drop Brez 2 games 2 wins, 1 goal conceded. Quote "what more do you want from the man"[/p][/quote]what the duck are you talking about, I never mentioned Brez as I was talking about Barnes when answering the person I quoted. You really are $hite at trying to be clever VegasSeagull

12:10am Sat 21 Dec 13

Chi Gull says...

Alex Dawson was the best header of a ball I ever saw at the Albion. he was overweight, not that tall and slow, but his timing was immaculate in the air, and he scored countless headed goals.

I think he might start with Ulloa, with Barnes reverting to his wider role. KLL on the other flank in place of Conway. That would mean no place for Spanish Dave. Only one way to get match fit, which is to play - like Ulloa did when he first joined us.
Alex Dawson was the best header of a ball I ever saw at the Albion. he was overweight, not that tall and slow, but his timing was immaculate in the air, and he scored countless headed goals. I think he might start with Ulloa, with Barnes reverting to his wider role. KLL on the other flank in place of Conway. That would mean no place for Spanish Dave. Only one way to get match fit, which is to play - like Ulloa did when he first joined us. Chi Gull

9:42am Sat 21 Dec 13

dave from bexill says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Alex Dawson was the best header of a ball I ever saw at the Albion. he was overweight, not that tall and slow, but his timing was immaculate in the air, and he scored countless headed goals.

I think he might start with Ulloa, with Barnes reverting to his wider role. KLL on the other flank in place of Conway. That would mean no place for Spanish Dave. Only one way to get match fit, which is to play - like Ulloa did when he first joined us.
Yep, Alex was a character to, who could head the ball and the keeper into the net at the same time. The days of blue shirts with white sleeves.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Alex Dawson was the best header of a ball I ever saw at the Albion. he was overweight, not that tall and slow, but his timing was immaculate in the air, and he scored countless headed goals. I think he might start with Ulloa, with Barnes reverting to his wider role. KLL on the other flank in place of Conway. That would mean no place for Spanish Dave. Only one way to get match fit, which is to play - like Ulloa did when he first joined us.[/p][/quote]Yep, Alex was a character to, who could head the ball and the keeper into the net at the same time. The days of blue shirts with white sleeves. dave from bexill

9:52am Sat 21 Dec 13

wiseman of hove says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
Alex Dawson was the best header of a ball I ever saw at the Albion. he was overweight, not that tall and slow, but his timing was immaculate in the air, and he scored countless headed goals.

I think he might start with Ulloa, with Barnes reverting to his wider role. KLL on the other flank in place of Conway. That would mean no place for Spanish Dave. Only one way to get match fit, which is to play - like Ulloa did when he first joined us.
Yep, Alex was a character to, who could head the ball and the keeper into the net at the same time. The days of blue shirts with white sleeves.
Yes - I'll go with the Black Prince as well.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Alex Dawson was the best header of a ball I ever saw at the Albion. he was overweight, not that tall and slow, but his timing was immaculate in the air, and he scored countless headed goals. I think he might start with Ulloa, with Barnes reverting to his wider role. KLL on the other flank in place of Conway. That would mean no place for Spanish Dave. Only one way to get match fit, which is to play - like Ulloa did when he first joined us.[/p][/quote]Yep, Alex was a character to, who could head the ball and the keeper into the net at the same time. The days of blue shirts with white sleeves.[/p][/quote]Yes - I'll go with the Black Prince as well. wiseman of hove

10:14am Sat 21 Dec 13

Ulloa19 says...

My team for today:
Kuszczak
Ward
El-Abd
Upson
Bruno

Ince
Bridcutt
Crofts

Lualua
David
Barnes- Ulloa coming on around 60th min hopefully
My team for today: Kuszczak Ward El-Abd Upson Bruno Ince Bridcutt Crofts Lualua David Barnes- Ulloa coming on around 60th min hopefully Ulloa19

11:53am Sat 21 Dec 13

wiseman of hove says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
My team for today:
Kuszczak
Ward
El-Abd
Upson
Bruno

Ince
Bridcutt
Crofts

Lualua
David
Barnes- Ulloa coming on around 60th min hopefully
Probably just about agree with you but I'm going to be particularly interested to see how Bruno and David perform in these heavy conditions. I think we may need Barnes for ninety minutes even if Ulloa makes an appearance.
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: My team for today: Kuszczak Ward El-Abd Upson Bruno Ince Bridcutt Crofts Lualua David Barnes- Ulloa coming on around 60th min hopefully[/p][/quote]Probably just about agree with you but I'm going to be particularly interested to see how Bruno and David perform in these heavy conditions. I think we may need Barnes for ninety minutes even if Ulloa makes an appearance. wiseman of hove

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