January transfer window latest: Burnley back in for Barnes but Albion keen to keep squad together

The Argus: Ashley Barnes in action today against Bournemouth Ashley Barnes in action today against Bournemouth

Burnley have renewed their interest in Albion striker Ashley Barnes.

The Seagulls' Championship rivals have made an offer in the region of £750,000, The Argus can confirm.

But Albion are hopeful of keeping their squad in tact during the January transfer window to help them mount a promotion charge in the second half of the season.

Chairman Tony Bloom has already rejected bids from Gus Poyet's Sunderland of £2 million for Liam Bridcutt and around £1.75 million for Will Buckley, The Argus understands.

The bid for Bridcutt, according to Sunderland, is their final offer.

The Black Cats also launched their bid for Buckley before the winger suffered further hamstring damage in last Sunday's 1-0 win at Blackpool, which has ruled him out for a month.

Barnes, meanwhile, was the subject of three bids from Burnley in the August transfer window, the last for £500,000, when the player was unsettled about his Albion future.

He is out of contract at the end of the season and has yet to put pen to paper on a new deal offered to him in the summer but is in a better frame of mind now after featuring regularly in the team under Oscar Garcia and proving an effective goalscoring replacement for Leo Ulloa during the Argentinian's long injury absence.

Burnley need more firepower to cement their push for promotion, with free-scoring Danny Ings seemingly bound for the Premier League.

The only significant incoming transfer business Albion are hoping to conclude in January is the return of former loan winger Craig Conway from Cardiff.

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5:03pm Wed 1 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Shame you cant transfer your manager or coach.
Shame you cant transfer your manager or coach. ringtone

5:04pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

I can't see TB accepting any of these bids. We are not disparate for the money, and it would cost us much more to replace these.
I can't see TB accepting any of these bids. We are not disparate for the money, and it would cost us much more to replace these. Clean Sheet

5:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
I can't see TB accepting any of these bids. We are not disparate for the money, and it would cost us much more to replace these.
Spell check.

Calling the vicar lightenup.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: I can't see TB accepting any of these bids. We are not disparate for the money, and it would cost us much more to replace these.[/p][/quote]Spell check. Calling the vicar lightenup. ringtone

5:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that.

I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-)

I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.
Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that. I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-) I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace. Ex-pat Arnie

5:12pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Hopefully it is true that was Sunderlands final bid for bridders and that no one else comes in for him. Barnes has already said that he would like to extend his career with Brighton so lets hope the Management can come to a deal with him to sign his contract. Conway is a bit more difficult--apparentl
y now Cardiff are without a manager--but what manager really makes the decisions?? We are begining to get long term injured back so lets hope we can now put some good results together. Todays was VERY bad luck and we need to beat teams like Bournemouth if we have any chance of the playoffs as this does not make us look like a Premiership team!!
Hopefully it is true that was Sunderlands final bid for bridders and that no one else comes in for him. Barnes has already said that he would like to extend his career with Brighton so lets hope the Management can come to a deal with him to sign his contract. Conway is a bit more difficult--apparentl y now Cardiff are without a manager--but what manager really makes the decisions?? We are begining to get long term injured back so lets hope we can now put some good results together. Todays was VERY bad luck and we need to beat teams like Bournemouth if we have any chance of the playoffs as this does not make us look like a Premiership team!! mikeygit

5:14pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ulloa19 says...

So the only transfer that could happen for us is conway which is good but what happened about that Brazilian the argus were reporting about yesterday
So the only transfer that could happen for us is conway which is good but what happened about that Brazilian the argus were reporting about yesterday Ulloa19

5:28pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that.

I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-)

I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.
So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ...
Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence..
As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now?
If he won't ... Sell him tomo.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that. I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-) I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.[/p][/quote]So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ... Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence.. As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now? If he won't ... Sell him tomo. mark by the sea

5:28pm Wed 1 Jan 14

bbb1969 says...

Just back from the game and imho it should have been 3-1 today at least. So Penalty should not have counted but Ulloa should have had one and Barnes. Just did not have the rub of the green and actually hit the woodwork 3 times. We do not mention Ward but I think he has a couple of good seasons left him in. We should get him on board at the end of the season for 1 year and start bringing Chicksen through. A little disappointed but could have won today and I thought we played well. Some results went for us today so would have been good to win but we are still in the running.
Just back from the game and imho it should have been 3-1 today at least. So Penalty should not have counted but Ulloa should have had one and Barnes. Just did not have the rub of the green and actually hit the woodwork 3 times. We do not mention Ward but I think he has a couple of good seasons left him in. We should get him on board at the end of the season for 1 year and start bringing Chicksen through. A little disappointed but could have won today and I thought we played well. Some results went for us today so would have been good to win but we are still in the running. bbb1969

5:34pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that.

I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-)

I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.
So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ...
Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence..
As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now?
If he won't ... Sell him tomo.
Gus will not be choosing the sums offered, that will be Di Fanti.

Clubs aren't renowned for offering more than twice what a player is worth, but they are known for offering way below a true valuation as a gambit. If Bridcutt and Buckley are so closely matched that is because the bid for the former is nothing more than a cheeky punt as they know they can't offer his true worth.

Maybe Barnes hasn't signed a contract because he wants a slightly better offer. Do you always accept the first bid?

I say again, thank goodness you have no position of financial power in football because your club would lose money hand over fist. You'd undersell your prize assets and replace anyone who dared to reach the age of 30.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that. I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-) I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.[/p][/quote]So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ... Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence.. As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now? If he won't ... Sell him tomo.[/p][/quote]Gus will not be choosing the sums offered, that will be Di Fanti. Clubs aren't renowned for offering more than twice what a player is worth, but they are known for offering way below a true valuation as a gambit. If Bridcutt and Buckley are so closely matched that is because the bid for the former is nothing more than a cheeky punt as they know they can't offer his true worth. Maybe Barnes hasn't signed a contract because he wants a slightly better offer. Do you always accept the first bid? I say again, thank goodness you have no position of financial power in football because your club would lose money hand over fist. You'd undersell your prize assets and replace anyone who dared to reach the age of 30. Ex-pat Arnie

5:44pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that.

I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-)

I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.
So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ...
Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence..
As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now?
If he won't ... Sell him tomo.
Gus will not be choosing the sums offered, that will be Di Fanti.

Clubs aren't renowned for offering more than twice what a player is worth, but they are known for offering way below a true valuation as a gambit. If Bridcutt and Buckley are so closely matched that is because the bid for the former is nothing more than a cheeky punt as they know they can't offer his true worth.

Maybe Barnes hasn't signed a contract because he wants a slightly better offer. Do you always accept the first bid?

I say again, thank goodness you have no position of financial power in football because your club would lose money hand over fist. You'd undersell your prize assets and replace anyone who dared to reach the age of 30.
Barnes agent will be looking for a cash hello, if Burnley are prepared to pay £750k then how much ( hello cash) will he receive in June? The longer this goes on, the weaker position we are in,
Remember glen Murray ? Same thing happened.. Club can bang on about fair play, but other clubs will give him £150k as a signing on fee .
As for Buckley he has been appalling this season... Glad to see him leave.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that. I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-) I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.[/p][/quote]So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ... Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence.. As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now? If he won't ... Sell him tomo.[/p][/quote]Gus will not be choosing the sums offered, that will be Di Fanti. Clubs aren't renowned for offering more than twice what a player is worth, but they are known for offering way below a true valuation as a gambit. If Bridcutt and Buckley are so closely matched that is because the bid for the former is nothing more than a cheeky punt as they know they can't offer his true worth. Maybe Barnes hasn't signed a contract because he wants a slightly better offer. Do you always accept the first bid? I say again, thank goodness you have no position of financial power in football because your club would lose money hand over fist. You'd undersell your prize assets and replace anyone who dared to reach the age of 30.[/p][/quote]Barnes agent will be looking for a cash hello, if Burnley are prepared to pay £750k then how much ( hello cash) will he receive in June? The longer this goes on, the weaker position we are in, Remember glen Murray ? Same thing happened.. Club can bang on about fair play, but other clubs will give him £150k as a signing on fee . As for Buckley he has been appalling this season... Glad to see him leave. mark by the sea

5:48pm Wed 1 Jan 14

true fan says...

Snatch their hands off for Buckley at that price, I am a big fan but he has lost his pace and therefore is not the player we signed. Bridcutt can go for anything over £4m, not as bothered as I would have been after seeing Ince improving weekly. As for Barnes, I am one of the haters, but he is winning me round, a good squad player and if he wants to stay then keep him in my opinion. As for new players, Conway not a bad option, but would like to see a more pacey player as, other than KLL, we are really lacking. New Year wish is for someone to bid anything at all to take Lopez off our hands!.
Today was frustrating, on another day (and with a different ref) we could have won 6-0, but that's the way it goes sometimes so not disappointed, at one stage it was looking like a loss. Onwards and upwards, UTA.
Snatch their hands off for Buckley at that price, I am a big fan but he has lost his pace and therefore is not the player we signed. Bridcutt can go for anything over £4m, not as bothered as I would have been after seeing Ince improving weekly. As for Barnes, I am one of the haters, but he is winning me round, a good squad player and if he wants to stay then keep him in my opinion. As for new players, Conway not a bad option, but would like to see a more pacey player as, other than KLL, we are really lacking. New Year wish is for someone to bid anything at all to take Lopez off our hands!. Today was frustrating, on another day (and with a different ref) we could have won 6-0, but that's the way it goes sometimes so not disappointed, at one stage it was looking like a loss. Onwards and upwards, UTA. true fan

5:51pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered.

Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot.

And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence. Ex-pat Arnie

6:02pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered.

Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot.

And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee.
Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing? mark by the sea

6:12pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mrgull says...

Has Barnes been offered a new contract,If yes and he's rejected it.Then in my opinion its up to the club to either up the anti or sell him on whilst he still has a value,The longer thing drag on the worse it will get.
Another point regarding Bridders....If ....as it now seems Bridders is on the move lets get the deed done quickly,so we all know where we stand and get the cash in to strengthen the squad....There have been several names bandied about if we are serious about any of them lets get on with it.
Has Barnes been offered a new contract,If yes and he's rejected it.Then in my opinion its up to the club to either up the anti or sell him on whilst he still has a value,The longer thing drag on the worse it will get. Another point regarding Bridders....If ....as it now seems Bridders is on the move lets get the deed done quickly,so we all know where we stand and get the cash in to strengthen the squad....There have been several names bandied about if we are serious about any of them lets get on with it. mrgull

6:15pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands. mark by the sea

6:17pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered.

Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot.

And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
Don't worry Arnie, MBTS is back to his pre Amex sniping, nothing the club did then was right in his eyes, and now it's negative tripe again. We are in a fantastic league position given our injury crisis, the club is being run extremely well with a clear started not to over stretch ourselves. Just look at Bolton, and believe me there are plenty more in a similar position, there's just no pleasing some people.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Arnie, MBTS is back to his pre Amex sniping, nothing the club did then was right in his eyes, and now it's negative tripe again. We are in a fantastic league position given our injury crisis, the club is being run extremely well with a clear started not to over stretch ourselves. Just look at Bolton, and believe me there are plenty more in a similar position, there's just no pleasing some people. Alfie T

6:17pm Wed 1 Jan 14

OLDJOHNBOY says...

If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.
If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal. OLDJOHNBOY

6:23pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it. mark by the sea

6:25pm Wed 1 Jan 14

keswick says...

If £2m is Sunderlands final offer then they know the answer. If he goes it has to be for what he is actually worth. You would have thought Poyet & co would have learnt the hard way that T B will not be bullied and there will only be one winner there.
If £2m is Sunderlands final offer then they know the answer. If he goes it has to be for what he is actually worth. You would have thought Poyet & co would have learnt the hard way that T B will not be bullied and there will only be one winner there. keswick

6:26pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes. Clean Sheet

6:28pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered.

Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot.

And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
Don't worry Arnie, MBTS is back to his pre Amex sniping, nothing the club did then was right in his eyes, and now it's negative tripe again. We are in a fantastic league position given our injury crisis, the club is being run extremely well with a clear started not to over stretch ourselves. Just look at Bolton, and believe me there are plenty more in a similar position, there's just no pleasing some people.
Very wrong Alfie, my sniping at the club was about the farce it called the youth system and the coaching staff, ie booker white hInsh ... Dinosaurs .
Club are doing lots of things right, the hotel and the 600 houses it plans to build next to the new training ground should produce millions .
The Amex is now producing income every day, the hotel will improve those figures...
Where I worry is allowing players to walk when contracts end, we may be playing poker face, but the longer it goes on there is only one winner.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Arnie, MBTS is back to his pre Amex sniping, nothing the club did then was right in his eyes, and now it's negative tripe again. We are in a fantastic league position given our injury crisis, the club is being run extremely well with a clear started not to over stretch ourselves. Just look at Bolton, and believe me there are plenty more in a similar position, there's just no pleasing some people.[/p][/quote]Very wrong Alfie, my sniping at the club was about the farce it called the youth system and the coaching staff, ie booker white hInsh ... Dinosaurs . Club are doing lots of things right, the hotel and the 600 houses it plans to build next to the new training ground should produce millions . The Amex is now producing income every day, the hotel will improve those figures... Where I worry is allowing players to walk when contracts end, we may be playing poker face, but the longer it goes on there is only one winner. mark by the sea

6:30pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.
But the window closes in 30 days, I am playing devils advocate..
Do we up our offer or sell? That's a question anyone can debate.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.[/p][/quote]But the window closes in 30 days, I am playing devils advocate.. Do we up our offer or sell? That's a question anyone can debate. mark by the sea

6:37pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered.

Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot.

And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
Don't worry Arnie, MBTS is back to his pre Amex sniping, nothing the club did then was right in his eyes, and now it's negative tripe again. We are in a fantastic league position given our injury crisis, the club is being run extremely well with a clear started not to over stretch ourselves. Just look at Bolton, and believe me there are plenty more in a similar position, there's just no pleasing some people.
Very wrong Alfie, my sniping at the club was about the farce it called the youth system and the coaching staff, ie booker white hInsh ... Dinosaurs .
Club are doing lots of things right, the hotel and the 600 houses it plans to build next to the new training ground should produce millions .
The Amex is now producing income every day, the hotel will improve those figures...
Where I worry is allowing players to walk when contracts end, we may be playing poker face, but the longer it goes on there is only one winner.
Fine Mark, nice to see you acknowledging the positives for once, players contracts by us the supporters are guess work, just trust the club to do the right thing. Our future is very bright with a Premier League infrastructure in place, Rome wasn't built in a day mate.
I know you are a true fan, as many on here are, sometimes it's worth looking at our progress as a club off the field, and remember how far we have come.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Arnie, MBTS is back to his pre Amex sniping, nothing the club did then was right in his eyes, and now it's negative tripe again. We are in a fantastic league position given our injury crisis, the club is being run extremely well with a clear started not to over stretch ourselves. Just look at Bolton, and believe me there are plenty more in a similar position, there's just no pleasing some people.[/p][/quote]Very wrong Alfie, my sniping at the club was about the farce it called the youth system and the coaching staff, ie booker white hInsh ... Dinosaurs . Club are doing lots of things right, the hotel and the 600 houses it plans to build next to the new training ground should produce millions . The Amex is now producing income every day, the hotel will improve those figures... Where I worry is allowing players to walk when contracts end, we may be playing poker face, but the longer it goes on there is only one winner.[/p][/quote]Fine Mark, nice to see you acknowledging the positives for once, players contracts by us the supporters are guess work, just trust the club to do the right thing. Our future is very bright with a Premier League infrastructure in place, Rome wasn't built in a day mate. I know you are a true fan, as many on here are, sometimes it's worth looking at our progress as a club off the field, and remember how far we have come. Alfie T

6:37pm Wed 1 Jan 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

OLDJOHNBOY wrote:
If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.
We won't need Barnes as desperately as we do right now when CMS is back fit (end of Jan). Having said that, I agree that if Barnes is delaying signing a new contract right now then he should be given an ultimatum, either sign by Jan 7th, or be transfer listed, so it becomes his choice to stay at BHA or go to Burnley, rather than let the window pass and then lose him as a free agent in June.

I'd prefer that he stay, but we can't allow another Glen Murray situation to develop. The season is far from over and even with CMS fit we will still need at least 3 recognised strikers to see the season through, so in all honesty it will hurt us to lose Barnes now because he would need to be replaced, however buying Conway is not a replacement for Barnes ?
[quote][p][bold]OLDJOHNBOY[/bold] wrote: If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.[/p][/quote]We won't need Barnes as desperately as we do right now when CMS is back fit (end of Jan). Having said that, I agree that if Barnes is delaying signing a new contract right now then he should be given an ultimatum, either sign by Jan 7th, or be transfer listed, so it becomes his choice to stay at BHA or go to Burnley, rather than let the window pass and then lose him as a free agent in June. I'd prefer that he stay, but we can't allow another Glen Murray situation to develop. The season is far from over and even with CMS fit we will still need at least 3 recognised strikers to see the season through, so in all honesty it will hurt us to lose Barnes now because he would need to be replaced, however buying Conway is not a replacement for Barnes ? PressBoxTeaBoy

6:55pm Wed 1 Jan 14

tug509 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
OLDJOHNBOY wrote:
If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.
We won't need Barnes as desperately as we do right now when CMS is back fit (end of Jan). Having said that, I agree that if Barnes is delaying signing a new contract right now then he should be given an ultimatum, either sign by Jan 7th, or be transfer listed, so it becomes his choice to stay at BHA or go to Burnley, rather than let the window pass and then lose him as a free agent in June.

I'd prefer that he stay, but we can't allow another Glen Murray situation to develop. The season is far from over and even with CMS fit we will still need at least 3 recognised strikers to see the season through, so in all honesty it will hurt us to lose Barnes now because he would need to be replaced, however buying Conway is not a replacement for Barnes ?
Agree with this ,if we fail to nail Barnes to a new contract now ! we are going to repeat the GM incident ,not that hard to see really ?. UTA
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDJOHNBOY[/bold] wrote: If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.[/p][/quote]We won't need Barnes as desperately as we do right now when CMS is back fit (end of Jan). Having said that, I agree that if Barnes is delaying signing a new contract right now then he should be given an ultimatum, either sign by Jan 7th, or be transfer listed, so it becomes his choice to stay at BHA or go to Burnley, rather than let the window pass and then lose him as a free agent in June. I'd prefer that he stay, but we can't allow another Glen Murray situation to develop. The season is far from over and even with CMS fit we will still need at least 3 recognised strikers to see the season through, so in all honesty it will hurt us to lose Barnes now because he would need to be replaced, however buying Conway is not a replacement for Barnes ?[/p][/quote]Agree with this ,if we fail to nail Barnes to a new contract now ! we are going to repeat the GM incident ,not that hard to see really ?. UTA tug509

7:01pm Wed 1 Jan 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
OLDJOHNBOY wrote:
If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.
We won't need Barnes as desperately as we do right now when CMS is back fit (end of Jan). Having said that, I agree that if Barnes is delaying signing a new contract right now then he should be given an ultimatum, either sign by Jan 7th, or be transfer listed, so it becomes his choice to stay at BHA or go to Burnley, rather than let the window pass and then lose him as a free agent in June.

I'd prefer that he stay, but we can't allow another Glen Murray situation to develop. The season is far from over and even with CMS fit we will still need at least 3 recognised strikers to see the season through, so in all honesty it will hurt us to lose Barnes now because he would need to be replaced, however buying Conway is not a replacement for Barnes ?
Agree with this ,if we fail to nail Barnes to a new contract now ! we are going to repeat the GM incident ,not that hard to see really ?. UTA
Sorry it was rude not to add ,MBTS ,MrGull ,and OLDJOHNBOY have been saying this all night !.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDJOHNBOY[/bold] wrote: If Barnes will not sign a new contract in this window, it makes perfect sense to sell him as he will walk away for nothing in the summer. If we are to believe what we hear about the clubs financial situation then we could use the money to finance the Conway deal.[/p][/quote]We won't need Barnes as desperately as we do right now when CMS is back fit (end of Jan). Having said that, I agree that if Barnes is delaying signing a new contract right now then he should be given an ultimatum, either sign by Jan 7th, or be transfer listed, so it becomes his choice to stay at BHA or go to Burnley, rather than let the window pass and then lose him as a free agent in June. I'd prefer that he stay, but we can't allow another Glen Murray situation to develop. The season is far from over and even with CMS fit we will still need at least 3 recognised strikers to see the season through, so in all honesty it will hurt us to lose Barnes now because he would need to be replaced, however buying Conway is not a replacement for Barnes ?[/p][/quote]Agree with this ,if we fail to nail Barnes to a new contract now ! we are going to repeat the GM incident ,not that hard to see really ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Sorry it was rude not to add ,MBTS ,MrGull ,and OLDJOHNBOY have been saying this all night !. tug509

7:06pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
He has not signed YET. YET.

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's possible he's been very close to signing for a while but is just tying up the minutiae. It's also possible he finds the offer unfair.

My decision on when and if to sell him would be based on information none of us on this website have access to. One thing I would NOT do is "sell him tomorrow" just to make a point.

Brinkmanship works both ways and I guess Burke and Barber are not far off Levy when it comes to that particular skill.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]He has not signed YET. YET. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's possible he's been very close to signing for a while but is just tying up the minutiae. It's also possible he finds the offer unfair. My decision on when and if to sell him would be based on information none of us on this website have access to. One thing I would NOT do is "sell him tomorrow" just to make a point. Brinkmanship works both ways and I guess Burke and Barber are not far off Levy when it comes to that particular skill. Ex-pat Arnie

7:07pm Wed 1 Jan 14

OldGull says...

It's a shame we cannot transfer trolls, We have a few surplus to requirements on this site
It's a shame we cannot transfer trolls, We have a few surplus to requirements on this site OldGull

7:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.
But the window closes in 30 days, I am playing devils advocate..
Do we up our offer or sell? That's a question anyone can debate.
I would rather Digger stay and play alongside Ulloa. We only played well in the last ten mins today when Orlandi and Digger came on. Time to start playing two up front and when all fit and well my team would be TK, BS GG MU SW, AO RI LB WB, AB LU. JUST MY OPINION!
PS THE REF WAS A @#$& TODAY!!!
PPS 28,200...NEVER!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.[/p][/quote]But the window closes in 30 days, I am playing devils advocate.. Do we up our offer or sell? That's a question anyone can debate.[/p][/quote]I would rather Digger stay and play alongside Ulloa. We only played well in the last ten mins today when Orlandi and Digger came on. Time to start playing two up front and when all fit and well my team would be TK, BS GG MU SW, AO RI LB WB, AB LU. JUST MY OPINION! PS THE REF WAS A @#$& TODAY!!! PPS 28,200...NEVER! Conelli98

7:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
He has not signed YET. YET.

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's possible he's been very close to signing for a while but is just tying up the minutiae. It's also possible he finds the offer unfair.

My decision on when and if to sell him would be based on information none of us on this website have access to. One thing I would NOT do is "sell him tomorrow" just to make a point.

Brinkmanship works both ways and I guess Burke and Barber are not far off Levy when it comes to that particular skill.
They don't hold any cards , 30 days and there is no brinkmanship! What cards do Burke and barber hold ?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]He has not signed YET. YET. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's possible he's been very close to signing for a while but is just tying up the minutiae. It's also possible he finds the offer unfair. My decision on when and if to sell him would be based on information none of us on this website have access to. One thing I would NOT do is "sell him tomorrow" just to make a point. Brinkmanship works both ways and I guess Burke and Barber are not far off Levy when it comes to that particular skill.[/p][/quote]They don't hold any cards , 30 days and there is no brinkmanship! What cards do Burke and barber hold ? mark by the sea

7:13pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

ringtone wrote:
Shame you cant transfer your manager or coach.
Or in your case some supporters!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Shame you cant transfer your manager or coach.[/p][/quote]Or in your case some supporters!!!! Tony the tiger eastbourne

7:20pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that.

I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-)

I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.
So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ...
Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence..
As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now?
If he won't ... Sell him tomo.
Gus will not be choosing the sums offered, that will be Di Fanti.

Clubs aren't renowned for offering more than twice what a player is worth, but they are known for offering way below a true valuation as a gambit. If Bridcutt and Buckley are so closely matched that is because the bid for the former is nothing more than a cheeky punt as they know they can't offer his true worth.

Maybe Barnes hasn't signed a contract because he wants a slightly better offer. Do you always accept the first bid?

I say again, thank goodness you have no position of financial power in football because your club would lose money hand over fist. You'd undersell your prize assets and replace anyone who dared to reach the age of 30.
Barnes agent will be looking for a cash hello, if Burnley are prepared to pay £750k then how much ( hello cash) will he receive in June? The longer this goes on, the weaker position we are in,
Remember glen Murray ? Same thing happened.. Club can bang on about fair play, but other clubs will give him £150k as a signing on fee .
As for Buckley he has been appalling this season... Glad to see him leave.
And that statement is good coming from a person that no sod all about football your just a serial moaner!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Bizarre than £2m is Sunderland's final bid for Bridders, so it looks like they will be easily gazumped. I was thinking maybe they do have money problems after all, but a bid of £1.75m for Buckley would not support that. I can't understand why they're offering that much for Buckers when MBTS says he's only worth £750k. Did they not contact him for his expert valuation? ;-) I hope Barnes re-signs for us. His versatility makes him hard to replace.[/p][/quote]So Gus thinks bridcutt and Buckley are £250k apart in value? He must be right! Same as when he signed Ryan HARLEY holroyd , and cms for 2.5 million ... Take any offer over £750k for Buckley.... Man is injured more than fit, lost his pace, and his confidence.. As for Barnes , question is why has he not signed a contract by now? If he won't ... Sell him tomo.[/p][/quote]Gus will not be choosing the sums offered, that will be Di Fanti. Clubs aren't renowned for offering more than twice what a player is worth, but they are known for offering way below a true valuation as a gambit. If Bridcutt and Buckley are so closely matched that is because the bid for the former is nothing more than a cheeky punt as they know they can't offer his true worth. Maybe Barnes hasn't signed a contract because he wants a slightly better offer. Do you always accept the first bid? I say again, thank goodness you have no position of financial power in football because your club would lose money hand over fist. You'd undersell your prize assets and replace anyone who dared to reach the age of 30.[/p][/quote]Barnes agent will be looking for a cash hello, if Burnley are prepared to pay £750k then how much ( hello cash) will he receive in June? The longer this goes on, the weaker position we are in, Remember glen Murray ? Same thing happened.. Club can bang on about fair play, but other clubs will give him £150k as a signing on fee . As for Buckley he has been appalling this season... Glad to see him leave.[/p][/quote]And that statement is good coming from a person that no sod all about football your just a serial moaner!! Tony the tiger eastbourne

7:25pm Wed 1 Jan 14

OldGull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.
But the window closes in 30 days, I am playing devils advocate..
Do we up our offer or sell? That's a question anyone can debate.
I would rather Digger stay and play alongside Ulloa. We only played well in the last ten mins today when Orlandi and Digger came on. Time to start playing two up front and when all fit and well my team would be TK, BS GG MU SW, AO RI LB WB, AB LU. JUST MY OPINION!
PS THE REF WAS A @#$& TODAY!!!
PPS 28,200...NEVER!
I sit west upper in line with 6yard box.
Ref totally wrong on penalty, it was a perfectly timed tackle.
Crowd includes all season tickets.
Actual attendance I would think 24000 nearer the mark.
It seems east stand season ticket holders either do not like the weather or all had hangovers.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]Mark, I always read your posts with interest, and many have been insightful over the years, but I don't think any of us can second guess TB, who has proven himself a great Chairman in my eyes.[/p][/quote]But the window closes in 30 days, I am playing devils advocate.. Do we up our offer or sell? That's a question anyone can debate.[/p][/quote]I would rather Digger stay and play alongside Ulloa. We only played well in the last ten mins today when Orlandi and Digger came on. Time to start playing two up front and when all fit and well my team would be TK, BS GG MU SW, AO RI LB WB, AB LU. JUST MY OPINION! PS THE REF WAS A @#$& TODAY!!! PPS 28,200...NEVER![/p][/quote]I sit west upper in line with 6yard box. Ref totally wrong on penalty, it was a perfectly timed tackle. Crowd includes all season tickets. Actual attendance I would think 24000 nearer the mark. It seems east stand season ticket holders either do not like the weather or all had hangovers. OldGull

7:32pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Paulmooch76 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?
I never post on here but I want to share what I've heard. Watch this space to see whether I'm right or not!!
Barnes new contract offer from Albion offered him a small pay rise on his current salary but it was some way off what he was demanding. He wanted about £10k a week but the club only offered about an extra £500 a week on his current approx £6k. Apparently he is unhappy with the offer but more so on how things have taken place & has decided he wants to move on now regardless. There are rumblings he has also not seen eye to eye with some people behind the scenes (not sure if it's coaching or executive staff) & with the club unlikely to change their mind about their offer he wants to move on this month.
Apparently he expects Burnley & one other club to come in with offers this month. Maybe not offering the £10k he wants but more than the Albion.

Watch as Barnes moves this month... to Wolves!!!
You heard it here first!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?[/p][/quote]I never post on here but I want to share what I've heard. Watch this space to see whether I'm right or not!! Barnes new contract offer from Albion offered him a small pay rise on his current salary but it was some way off what he was demanding. He wanted about £10k a week but the club only offered about an extra £500 a week on his current approx £6k. Apparently he is unhappy with the offer but more so on how things have taken place & has decided he wants to move on now regardless. There are rumblings he has also not seen eye to eye with some people behind the scenes (not sure if it's coaching or executive staff) & with the club unlikely to change their mind about their offer he wants to move on this month. Apparently he expects Burnley & one other club to come in with offers this month. Maybe not offering the £10k he wants but more than the Albion. Watch as Barnes moves this month... to Wolves!!! You heard it here first! Paulmooch76

7:36pm Wed 1 Jan 14

namgo49 says...

Why would Bridcutt go to Sunderland when they lost again today and are likely to get cut adrift in the Prem. survival race and be in the Championship next year.

Gus just can't seem to do it at the top level, his impact has been very mixed and losing to Villa today is a real blow. He sounded really disillusioned in the post match interview.

My concern in all this is that Bridcutt goes anyway, Buckley goes, Barnes goes, Ince not tied down to a contract, TK not tied down to a contract. Upson & Greer getting on in years. Massive rebuilding required and is this practical?!!
Why would Bridcutt go to Sunderland when they lost again today and are likely to get cut adrift in the Prem. survival race and be in the Championship next year. Gus just can't seem to do it at the top level, his impact has been very mixed and losing to Villa today is a real blow. He sounded really disillusioned in the post match interview. My concern in all this is that Bridcutt goes anyway, Buckley goes, Barnes goes, Ince not tied down to a contract, TK not tied down to a contract. Upson & Greer getting on in years. Massive rebuilding required and is this practical?!! namgo49

7:37pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Paulmooch76 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?
I never post on here but I want to share what I've heard. Watch this space to see whether I'm right or not!!
Barnes new contract offer from Albion offered him a small pay rise on his current salary but it was some way off what he was demanding. He wanted about £10k a week but the club only offered about an extra £500 a week on his current approx £6k. Apparently he is unhappy with the offer but more so on how things have taken place & has decided he wants to move on now regardless. There are rumblings he has also not seen eye to eye with some people behind the scenes (not sure if it's coaching or executive staff) & with the club unlikely to change their mind about their offer he wants to move on this month.
Apparently he expects Burnley & one other club to come in with offers this month. Maybe not offering the £10k he wants but more than the Albion.

Watch as Barnes moves this month... to Wolves!!!
You heard it here first!
£6000 a week ? No serious? He won't be staying here then.
[quote][p][bold]Paulmooch76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?[/p][/quote]I never post on here but I want to share what I've heard. Watch this space to see whether I'm right or not!! Barnes new contract offer from Albion offered him a small pay rise on his current salary but it was some way off what he was demanding. He wanted about £10k a week but the club only offered about an extra £500 a week on his current approx £6k. Apparently he is unhappy with the offer but more so on how things have taken place & has decided he wants to move on now regardless. There are rumblings he has also not seen eye to eye with some people behind the scenes (not sure if it's coaching or executive staff) & with the club unlikely to change their mind about their offer he wants to move on this month. Apparently he expects Burnley & one other club to come in with offers this month. Maybe not offering the £10k he wants but more than the Albion. Watch as Barnes moves this month... to Wolves!!! You heard it here first![/p][/quote]£6000 a week ? No serious? He won't be staying here then. mark by the sea

7:37pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer?
Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.
He has not signed YET. YET.

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's possible he's been very close to signing for a while but is just tying up the minutiae. It's also possible he finds the offer unfair.

My decision on when and if to sell him would be based on information none of us on this website have access to. One thing I would NOT do is "sell him tomorrow" just to make a point.

Brinkmanship works both ways and I guess Burke and Barber are not far off Levy when it comes to that particular skill.
They don't hold any cards , 30 days and there is no brinkmanship! What cards do Burke and barber hold ?
30 days is a bloody long time in football.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Come on Arnie, window closes in 30 days, what would you do? Sell him or ? Remember he was offered a contract in the summer, and has not signed? Do we assume the club are not going to up the offer? Or let him walk in the summer! You can bet his agent is working deals for June.... And asking the Albion to match it.[/p][/quote]He has not signed YET. YET. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's possible he's been very close to signing for a while but is just tying up the minutiae. It's also possible he finds the offer unfair. My decision on when and if to sell him would be based on information none of us on this website have access to. One thing I would NOT do is "sell him tomorrow" just to make a point. Brinkmanship works both ways and I guess Burke and Barber are not far off Levy when it comes to that particular skill.[/p][/quote]They don't hold any cards , 30 days and there is no brinkmanship! What cards do Burke and barber hold ?[/p][/quote]30 days is a bloody long time in football. Ex-pat Arnie

7:38pm Wed 1 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Just back from the game today.... I thought Bournemouth were a little better than some have made them out to be.. There right back was excellent and did a great job on Kaz and a couple of there midfielders, the keeper and Grabban up top were pretty good too.

Having said that, I thought we more than deserved the points today. Without their inspired keeper making 3 incredible saves and us hitting the woodwork 3 times, it would have been a very comfortable win.
My one wish would be that we could show that last 10 minute urgency for a lot ,ore of the 90 minutes.

I thought that Barnes, Orlandi and Kemy made a big difference again when they came on today.
I won't knock Crofts who has had a great season thus far or David who sadly hasn't but the guys that replaced them were very effective with both looking to move the ball forward a lot quicker than those they replaced.
Orlandi looked class too... He may not have the pace or power of Kaz but he certainly has an abundance of skill and ability and doesn't need to beat his man to whip in a very good cross.. A little Beckham like...

Love Calderon to death and hope he remains at our great club for many years in some capacity but today I'm afraid that he was shown a fresh pair of heals by the opposition on far to many occasions... Great guy, great Pro but sadly his legs have gone.

Enjoyed the game today and hope we can press on now. Like others have said, I'd like to see 2 up top given a go but equally I'd like to see both Orlandi and Kemy getting some serious game time... They both have an ability to make us tick.

On a final note re Barnes and to join the debate above.. I'd like to see him stay and sign a new year deal.
Should he choose not to within a week of the deadline closing then sell him for all we can rather than risk losing him for nothing in June.

Uta
Just back from the game today.... I thought Bournemouth were a little better than some have made them out to be.. There right back was excellent and did a great job on Kaz and a couple of there midfielders, the keeper and Grabban up top were pretty good too. Having said that, I thought we more than deserved the points today. Without their inspired keeper making 3 incredible saves and us hitting the woodwork 3 times, it would have been a very comfortable win. My one wish would be that we could show that last 10 minute urgency for a lot ,ore of the 90 minutes. I thought that Barnes, Orlandi and Kemy made a big difference again when they came on today. I won't knock Crofts who has had a great season thus far or David who sadly hasn't but the guys that replaced them were very effective with both looking to move the ball forward a lot quicker than those they replaced. Orlandi looked class too... He may not have the pace or power of Kaz but he certainly has an abundance of skill and ability and doesn't need to beat his man to whip in a very good cross.. A little Beckham like... Love Calderon to death and hope he remains at our great club for many years in some capacity but today I'm afraid that he was shown a fresh pair of heals by the opposition on far to many occasions... Great guy, great Pro but sadly his legs have gone. Enjoyed the game today and hope we can press on now. Like others have said, I'd like to see 2 up top given a go but equally I'd like to see both Orlandi and Kemy getting some serious game time... They both have an ability to make us tick. On a final note re Barnes and to join the debate above.. I'd like to see him stay and sign a new year deal. Should he choose not to within a week of the deadline closing then sell him for all we can rather than risk losing him for nothing in June. Uta SMF20

7:38pm Wed 1 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Paulmooch76 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.
If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?
I never post on here but I want to share what I've heard. Watch this space to see whether I'm right or not!!
Barnes new contract offer from Albion offered him a small pay rise on his current salary but it was some way off what he was demanding. He wanted about £10k a week but the club only offered about an extra £500 a week on his current approx £6k. Apparently he is unhappy with the offer but more so on how things have taken place & has decided he wants to move on now regardless. There are rumblings he has also not seen eye to eye with some people behind the scenes (not sure if it's coaching or executive staff) & with the club unlikely to change their mind about their offer he wants to move on this month.
Apparently he expects Burnley & one other club to come in with offers this month. Maybe not offering the £10k he wants but more than the Albion.

Watch as Barnes moves this month... to Wolves!!!
You heard it here first!
Actually heard similar ,although not as detailed yesterday !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Paulmooch76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: And that, in a nutshell Mark, says everything anyone needs to know about you. So pathetically desperate to get rid of a player that you'd happily accept way below half what we've already been offered. Barnes won't get £150k if the fee is £750k. Brighton will offer what they, as a club, think he is worth. If he thinks he is worth more than that then he is free to look elsewhere. I don't have a problem with that. But "sell him tomorrow" if he won't put pen to paper immediately? What total rot. And you also seem to think the FFP is something not worth worrying about. Care to elaborate? It is not just about fines or punishment, it is about keeping the clubs from going under. I would've thought a fan of this particular club would be more in favour of such financial prudence.[/p][/quote]If Barnes is a free agent, he will ask for a signing on fee, that's part and parcel of the modern game, £150k signing on fee. Do you think glen Murray signed for palace for nothing?[/p][/quote]I never post on here but I want to share what I've heard. Watch this space to see whether I'm right or not!! Barnes new contract offer from Albion offered him a small pay rise on his current salary but it was some way off what he was demanding. He wanted about £10k a week but the club only offered about an extra £500 a week on his current approx £6k. Apparently he is unhappy with the offer but more so on how things have taken place & has decided he wants to move on now regardless. There are rumblings he has also not seen eye to eye with some people behind the scenes (not sure if it's coaching or executive staff) & with the club unlikely to change their mind about their offer he wants to move on this month. Apparently he expects Burnley & one other club to come in with offers this month. Maybe not offering the £10k he wants but more than the Albion. Watch as Barnes moves this month... to Wolves!!! You heard it here first![/p][/quote]Actually heard similar ,although not as detailed yesterday !. UTA tug509

7:40pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

namgo49 wrote:
Why would Bridcutt go to Sunderland when they lost again today and are likely to get cut adrift in the Prem. survival race and be in the Championship next year.

Gus just can't seem to do it at the top level, his impact has been very mixed and losing to Villa today is a real blow. He sounded really disillusioned in the post match interview.

My concern in all this is that Bridcutt goes anyway, Buckley goes, Barnes goes, Ince not tied down to a contract, TK not tied down to a contract. Upson & Greer getting on in years. Massive rebuilding required and is this practical?!!
No it's not practical, if as the guy above reckons Barnes is on 6k a week , and that's the sort of level we are paying then we are heading for a major problem,
Whitehawk are paying someone £1500 a week!
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Why would Bridcutt go to Sunderland when they lost again today and are likely to get cut adrift in the Prem. survival race and be in the Championship next year. Gus just can't seem to do it at the top level, his impact has been very mixed and losing to Villa today is a real blow. He sounded really disillusioned in the post match interview. My concern in all this is that Bridcutt goes anyway, Buckley goes, Barnes goes, Ince not tied down to a contract, TK not tied down to a contract. Upson & Greer getting on in years. Massive rebuilding required and is this practical?!![/p][/quote]No it's not practical, if as the guy above reckons Barnes is on 6k a week , and that's the sort of level we are paying then we are heading for a major problem, Whitehawk are paying someone £1500 a week! mark by the sea

7:56pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Time we forgot 1-2 of our current team argus and maybe we could have some reporting / postings on a positive note of a top player or two we may get who could actually help us beat the likes of Barnsley,Bournmouth,
etc because as much as many people have posted about one or two of our current team leaving ....so what because they are not repeat not winning us the games we need to ,to get us promoted. fact !
Await the thumbs down in their droves .
Time we forgot 1-2 of our current team argus and maybe we could have some reporting / postings on a positive note of a top player or two we may get who could actually help us beat the likes of Barnsley,Bournmouth, etc because as much as many people have posted about one or two of our current team leaving ....so what because they are not repeat not winning us the games we need to ,to get us promoted. fact ! Await the thumbs down in their droves . Far gull

8:00pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.
I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him. Withdean-er

8:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

On the transfer front if OG is going to let players go then do it now! If we r to get into play offs then we cant have players involved in squad that have their minds elsewhere! Yes, maybe hold on to Bridcutt to see how much we can get from the highest bidder but it wont be to a team in the top half of prem. He is a good player but dont forget Chelsea let him go. Can u really see him mixing it with big boys like Toure, Fellani etc. Give Ince two/three years and he will be a bigger prospect than Liam!
On the transfer front if OG is going to let players go then do it now! If we r to get into play offs then we cant have players involved in squad that have their minds elsewhere! Yes, maybe hold on to Bridcutt to see how much we can get from the highest bidder but it wont be to a team in the top half of prem. He is a good player but dont forget Chelsea let him go. Can u really see him mixing it with big boys like Toure, Fellani etc. Give Ince two/three years and he will be a bigger prospect than Liam! Conelli98

8:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Far gull wrote:
Time we forgot 1-2 of our current team argus and maybe we could have some reporting / postings on a positive note of a top player or two we may get who could actually help us beat the likes of Barnsley,Bournmouth,

etc because as much as many people have posted about one or two of our current team leaving ....so what because they are not repeat not winning us the games we need to ,to get us promoted. fact !
Await the thumbs down in their droves .
Happy to oblige.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Time we forgot 1-2 of our current team argus and maybe we could have some reporting / postings on a positive note of a top player or two we may get who could actually help us beat the likes of Barnsley,Bournmouth, etc because as much as many people have posted about one or two of our current team leaving ....so what because they are not repeat not winning us the games we need to ,to get us promoted. fact ! Await the thumbs down in their droves .[/p][/quote]Happy to oblige. Ex-pat Arnie

8:14pm Wed 1 Jan 14

The Phantom says...

If Bridcutt does go to a Premiership club in this window, good luck to him. Has been outstanding almost since day one at the Albion and deserves the chance to play at a higher level if it suits both him and the club. Saddened me today that certain moronic elements in the crowd were slagging him off just because we were losing 1-0 at home. Although he is not at his very best at the moment due in part to his long lay-off and slightly different position, he is still contributing significantly in every game and should remain one of the first names on the team sheet until such time as he goes.

Patchy performance today - really good first 35-40 minutes and a brilliant final push but quite poor in between. Several players looked a bit leggy in the second half but still found a way to get a point and almost a win. Bournemouth were a decent team and their manager was ultimately pleased with a point.
If Bridcutt does go to a Premiership club in this window, good luck to him. Has been outstanding almost since day one at the Albion and deserves the chance to play at a higher level if it suits both him and the club. Saddened me today that certain moronic elements in the crowd were slagging him off just because we were losing 1-0 at home. Although he is not at his very best at the moment due in part to his long lay-off and slightly different position, he is still contributing significantly in every game and should remain one of the first names on the team sheet until such time as he goes. Patchy performance today - really good first 35-40 minutes and a brilliant final push but quite poor in between. Several players looked a bit leggy in the second half but still found a way to get a point and almost a win. Bournemouth were a decent team and their manager was ultimately pleased with a point. The Phantom

8:33pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Hovite says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark. Hovite

8:36pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

The Phantom wrote:
If Bridcutt does go to a Premiership club in this window, good luck to him. Has been outstanding almost since day one at the Albion and deserves the chance to play at a higher level if it suits both him and the club. Saddened me today that certain moronic elements in the crowd were slagging him off just because we were losing 1-0 at home. Although he is not at his very best at the moment due in part to his long lay-off and slightly different position, he is still contributing significantly in every game and should remain one of the first names on the team sheet until such time as he goes.

Patchy performance today - really good first 35-40 minutes and a brilliant final push but quite poor in between. Several players looked a bit leggy in the second half but still found a way to get a point and almost a win. Bournemouth were a decent team and their manager was ultimately pleased with a point.
Have to agree with you about Bridcutt, he does deserve the chance of the prem and has been outstanding for us. Imo Ince is a better prospect and will serve us well but if Liam has to go then dont let him go cheap.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: If Bridcutt does go to a Premiership club in this window, good luck to him. Has been outstanding almost since day one at the Albion and deserves the chance to play at a higher level if it suits both him and the club. Saddened me today that certain moronic elements in the crowd were slagging him off just because we were losing 1-0 at home. Although he is not at his very best at the moment due in part to his long lay-off and slightly different position, he is still contributing significantly in every game and should remain one of the first names on the team sheet until such time as he goes. Patchy performance today - really good first 35-40 minutes and a brilliant final push but quite poor in between. Several players looked a bit leggy in the second half but still found a way to get a point and almost a win. Bournemouth were a decent team and their manager was ultimately pleased with a point.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with you about Bridcutt, he does deserve the chance of the prem and has been outstanding for us. Imo Ince is a better prospect and will serve us well but if Liam has to go then dont let him go cheap. Conelli98

8:41pm Wed 1 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

"Brighton deny Bournemouth" is the Skysports headline..

What a ruddy joke these people are
"Brighton deny Bournemouth" is the Skysports headline.. What a ruddy joke these people are SMF20

8:41pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Hovite says...

Withdean-er wrote:
I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.
We would miss Barnes more than we would Bridcutt.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.[/p][/quote]We would miss Barnes more than we would Bridcutt. Hovite

8:48pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Hovite wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.
We would miss Barnes more than we would Bridcutt.
Agree!
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.[/p][/quote]We would miss Barnes more than we would Bridcutt.[/p][/quote]Agree! Conelli98

9:00pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week!
Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week..
If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark.[/p][/quote]Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week! Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week.. If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract mark by the sea

9:17pm Wed 1 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.
We would miss Barnes more than we would Bridcutt.
Agree!
Don't think we'd miss either of them, although Barnes and Ulloa has potential! Ince imo is already as good as Liam and when Cms returns I think Barnes knows he will drop down the pecking order so is reluctant to sign a new deal, it could all depend on Cms, but if we can hold out and get £1m for him let him go, add £2m for Buckley and £4/£5m for Bridcutt plus what's in the budget that would give us funds to go after some good YOUNG defenders and possibly a young striker to develope. Once players get it into their heads that it's time to move on invariably it happens, we just need to make the most out of it and move on to bigger and better things imo. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: I will possibly be the only one here saying this, but I would NOT want to see Barnes go under any circumstances. To me he adds fight and a never say die attitude to the team, never sulks, in his Albion career he has waded in with a stack of important goals (all for a player on a fraction of the wages of others), is rarely injured unlike others, and when he is on the pitch chances get created. He may not be the most naturally gifted of footballers (but that could be said for others in the squad), and he does miss chances but the same is true for Ulloa, CMS, and others who have come and gone. High-flying Burnley have spotted all these positives and value them enough to come in for him again. Barnes obviously loves this club and we should ensure that we retain him.[/p][/quote]We would miss Barnes more than we would Bridcutt.[/p][/quote]Agree![/p][/quote]Don't think we'd miss either of them, although Barnes and Ulloa has potential! Ince imo is already as good as Liam and when Cms returns I think Barnes knows he will drop down the pecking order so is reluctant to sign a new deal, it could all depend on Cms, but if we can hold out and get £1m for him let him go, add £2m for Buckley and £4/£5m for Bridcutt plus what's in the budget that would give us funds to go after some good YOUNG defenders and possibly a young striker to develope. Once players get it into their heads that it's time to move on invariably it happens, we just need to make the most out of it and move on to bigger and better things imo. UTA To baldly go

9:56pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Hovite says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week!
Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week..
If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract
I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week.

You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark.[/p][/quote]Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week! Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week.. If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract[/p][/quote]I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week. You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season. Hovite

10:48pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week!
Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week..
If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract
I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week.

You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.
But does it not remind you of Murray? Fact is he was offered a new contract 180 days ago, and has 30 days to be sold, once that period is over... The club have no control, either they offer him good money to stay or he walks , and takes a nice signing on fee! I have feeling club will sell.
Two people posted that Barnes was offered £6500 a week for his new contract, I think other clubs ie Burnley will top that, especially if ings goes.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark.[/p][/quote]Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week! Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week.. If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract[/p][/quote]I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week. You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]But does it not remind you of Murray? Fact is he was offered a new contract 180 days ago, and has 30 days to be sold, once that period is over... The club have no control, either they offer him good money to stay or he walks , and takes a nice signing on fee! I have feeling club will sell. Two people posted that Barnes was offered £6500 a week for his new contract, I think other clubs ie Burnley will top that, especially if ings goes. mark by the sea

11:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week!
Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week..
If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract
I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week.

You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.
The Murray figures stated are incorrect.
Murray was on typical League One pay of £3,250 per week and with contract close to expiry & the Albion almost assured of Championship football (in no small part to his goals and assists), he sought pay of £6,000 pw. To put in context, several of the first Amex season squad earned > £10,000 pw. Poyet and Poyet alone made it a cause célèbre not to give in, hence Murray's departure.
Then all CP (without the income of the Amex or Bloom's generosity) paid in that initial contract was, guess what, £6,000 pw.
These really are the figures.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark.[/p][/quote]Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week! Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week.. If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract[/p][/quote]I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week. You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]The Murray figures stated are incorrect. Murray was on typical League One pay of £3,250 per week and with contract close to expiry & the Albion almost assured of Championship football (in no small part to his goals and assists), he sought pay of £6,000 pw. To put in context, several of the first Amex season squad earned > £10,000 pw. Poyet and Poyet alone made it a cause célèbre not to give in, hence Murray's departure. Then all CP (without the income of the Amex or Bloom's generosity) paid in that initial contract was, guess what, £6,000 pw. These really are the figures. Withdean-er

1:49am Thu 2 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Withdean-er wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week!
Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week..
If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract
I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week.

You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.
The Murray figures stated are incorrect.
Murray was on typical League One pay of £3,250 per week and with contract close to expiry & the Albion almost assured of Championship football (in no small part to his goals and assists), he sought pay of £6,000 pw. To put in context, several of the first Amex season squad earned > £10,000 pw. Poyet and Poyet alone made it a cause célèbre not to give in, hence Murray's departure.
Then all CP (without the income of the Amex or Bloom's generosity) paid in that initial contract was, guess what, £6,000 pw.
These really are the figures.
****.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark.[/p][/quote]Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week! Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week.. If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract[/p][/quote]I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week. You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]The Murray figures stated are incorrect. Murray was on typical League One pay of £3,250 per week and with contract close to expiry & the Albion almost assured of Championship football (in no small part to his goals and assists), he sought pay of £6,000 pw. To put in context, several of the first Amex season squad earned > £10,000 pw. Poyet and Poyet alone made it a cause célèbre not to give in, hence Murray's departure. Then all CP (without the income of the Amex or Bloom's generosity) paid in that initial contract was, guess what, £6,000 pw. These really are the figures.[/p][/quote]****. Baldseagull

5:39am Thu 2 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I suppose it is what this forum is for, as everyone is entitled to an opinion, but having just read through all of this stuff, i can't help but say, what a load of twaddle. Roll on Feb 1.
And that's my opinion.
I suppose it is what this forum is for, as everyone is entitled to an opinion, but having just read through all of this stuff, i can't help but say, what a load of twaddle. Roll on Feb 1. And that's my opinion. Albion In Staffs

8:19am Thu 2 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??
In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes?? mikeygit

8:43am Thu 2 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mikeygit wrote:
In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??
There's no point any of us moralising and I don't blame the lad for wanting to play the market.
As a player, he's a trier who'll earn a decent living but probably only around the level he's at now. So when it's over sometime in his thirties, he'll (hopefully) have a long life to finance and the best way to accrue a decent nest egg is to move clubs a few times. If he manages it while out of contract, so much the better for him.
And while he's here, of course he's going to say he wants to stay! He's not daft enough to say he wants to go and then incur the wrath of the fans for the next 6 months.
If that's the case, then we may as well cash in now - if we can. But the problem then is that any fee received, dilutes his signing-on fee at the other end and so he'd probably ask Albion to pay him to leave. That means the low fee we'll get for a player shortly out of contract is eaten into by his pay off.
It's the system and I don't blame Ashley and for our part, we just have to play the game and do the same to someone else.
But the problem there is that fans will then start getting narked because we've paid a "nominal fee" for a replacement who, on that basis, won't be deemed good enough.
I think it's time for fans (all over) to start looking beyond the numbers....
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??[/p][/quote]There's no point any of us moralising and I don't blame the lad for wanting to play the market. As a player, he's a trier who'll earn a decent living but probably only around the level he's at now. So when it's over sometime in his thirties, he'll (hopefully) have a long life to finance and the best way to accrue a decent nest egg is to move clubs a few times. If he manages it while out of contract, so much the better for him. And while he's here, of course he's going to say he wants to stay! He's not daft enough to say he wants to go and then incur the wrath of the fans for the next 6 months. If that's the case, then we may as well cash in now - if we can. But the problem then is that any fee received, dilutes his signing-on fee at the other end and so he'd probably ask Albion to pay him to leave. That means the low fee we'll get for a player shortly out of contract is eaten into by his pay off. It's the system and I don't blame Ashley and for our part, we just have to play the game and do the same to someone else. But the problem there is that fans will then start getting narked because we've paid a "nominal fee" for a replacement who, on that basis, won't be deemed good enough. I think it's time for fans (all over) to start looking beyond the numbers.... Albion In Staffs

9:04am Thu 2 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Albion--good points well made. Trouble is the majority of ´fans´want quick fixes with little regard to finances!!
Albion--good points well made. Trouble is the majority of ´fans´want quick fixes with little regard to finances!! mikeygit

9:08am Thu 2 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

SMF20 wrote:
Just back from the game today.... I thought Bournemouth were a little better than some have made them out to be.. There right back was excellent and did a great job on Kaz and a couple of there midfielders, the keeper and Grabban up top were pretty good too.

Having said that, I thought we more than deserved the points today. Without their inspired keeper making 3 incredible saves and us hitting the woodwork 3 times, it would have been a very comfortable win.
My one wish would be that we could show that last 10 minute urgency for a lot ,ore of the 90 minutes.

I thought that Barnes, Orlandi and Kemy made a big difference again when they came on today.
I won't knock Crofts who has had a great season thus far or David who sadly hasn't but the guys that replaced them were very effective with both looking to move the ball forward a lot quicker than those they replaced.
Orlandi looked class too... He may not have the pace or power of Kaz but he certainly has an abundance of skill and ability and doesn't need to beat his man to whip in a very good cross.. A little Beckham like...

Love Calderon to death and hope he remains at our great club for many years in some capacity but today I'm afraid that he was shown a fresh pair of heals by the opposition on far to many occasions... Great guy, great Pro but sadly his legs have gone.

Enjoyed the game today and hope we can press on now. Like others have said, I'd like to see 2 up top given a go but equally I'd like to see both Orlandi and Kemy getting some serious game time... They both have an ability to make us tick.

On a final note re Barnes and to join the debate above.. I'd like to see him stay and sign a new year deal.
Should he choose not to within a week of the deadline closing then sell him for all we can rather than risk losing him for nothing in June.

Uta
Excellent post and summing up, by someone who was obviously at the game
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Just back from the game today.... I thought Bournemouth were a little better than some have made them out to be.. There right back was excellent and did a great job on Kaz and a couple of there midfielders, the keeper and Grabban up top were pretty good too. Having said that, I thought we more than deserved the points today. Without their inspired keeper making 3 incredible saves and us hitting the woodwork 3 times, it would have been a very comfortable win. My one wish would be that we could show that last 10 minute urgency for a lot ,ore of the 90 minutes. I thought that Barnes, Orlandi and Kemy made a big difference again when they came on today. I won't knock Crofts who has had a great season thus far or David who sadly hasn't but the guys that replaced them were very effective with both looking to move the ball forward a lot quicker than those they replaced. Orlandi looked class too... He may not have the pace or power of Kaz but he certainly has an abundance of skill and ability and doesn't need to beat his man to whip in a very good cross.. A little Beckham like... Love Calderon to death and hope he remains at our great club for many years in some capacity but today I'm afraid that he was shown a fresh pair of heals by the opposition on far to many occasions... Great guy, great Pro but sadly his legs have gone. Enjoyed the game today and hope we can press on now. Like others have said, I'd like to see 2 up top given a go but equally I'd like to see both Orlandi and Kemy getting some serious game time... They both have an ability to make us tick. On a final note re Barnes and to join the debate above.. I'd like to see him stay and sign a new year deal. Should he choose not to within a week of the deadline closing then sell him for all we can rather than risk losing him for nothing in June. Uta[/p][/quote]Excellent post and summing up, by someone who was obviously at the game dave from bexill

9:52am Thu 2 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??
There's no point any of us moralising and I don't blame the lad for wanting to play the market.
As a player, he's a trier who'll earn a decent living but probably only around the level he's at now. So when it's over sometime in his thirties, he'll (hopefully) have a long life to finance and the best way to accrue a decent nest egg is to move clubs a few times. If he manages it while out of contract, so much the better for him.
And while he's here, of course he's going to say he wants to stay! He's not daft enough to say he wants to go and then incur the wrath of the fans for the next 6 months.
If that's the case, then we may as well cash in now - if we can. But the problem then is that any fee received, dilutes his signing-on fee at the other end and so he'd probably ask Albion to pay him to leave. That means the low fee we'll get for a player shortly out of contract is eaten into by his pay off.
It's the system and I don't blame Ashley and for our part, we just have to play the game and do the same to someone else.
But the problem there is that fans will then start getting narked because we've paid a "nominal fee" for a replacement who, on that basis, won't be deemed good enough.
I think it's time for fans (all over) to start looking beyond the numbers....
A perfect summary of what I tried to explain about ten times ! Barnes will play the system, and is looking to make the most money he can from his job! Same as anyone,
Is Barnes crucial to the side at this moment in time? Yes unless Conway comes and plays that role, however I am yet to be totally convinced he is that player.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??[/p][/quote]There's no point any of us moralising and I don't blame the lad for wanting to play the market. As a player, he's a trier who'll earn a decent living but probably only around the level he's at now. So when it's over sometime in his thirties, he'll (hopefully) have a long life to finance and the best way to accrue a decent nest egg is to move clubs a few times. If he manages it while out of contract, so much the better for him. And while he's here, of course he's going to say he wants to stay! He's not daft enough to say he wants to go and then incur the wrath of the fans for the next 6 months. If that's the case, then we may as well cash in now - if we can. But the problem then is that any fee received, dilutes his signing-on fee at the other end and so he'd probably ask Albion to pay him to leave. That means the low fee we'll get for a player shortly out of contract is eaten into by his pay off. It's the system and I don't blame Ashley and for our part, we just have to play the game and do the same to someone else. But the problem there is that fans will then start getting narked because we've paid a "nominal fee" for a replacement who, on that basis, won't be deemed good enough. I think it's time for fans (all over) to start looking beyond the numbers....[/p][/quote]A perfect summary of what I tried to explain about ten times ! Barnes will play the system, and is looking to make the most money he can from his job! Same as anyone, Is Barnes crucial to the side at this moment in time? Yes unless Conway comes and plays that role, however I am yet to be totally convinced he is that player. mark by the sea

10:42am Thu 2 Jan 14

Gazza by the sea says...

If Conway and Barnes are a better option wide left than either KLL or Orlandi then I'm watching a different game.

Why the clamour for Conway? That will give us 4 players vying for one position.

Surely wide right is the priority now? David can only have played so many games because Buckley is injured so often. It certainly can't be because his performances have merited selection?
If Conway and Barnes are a better option wide left than either KLL or Orlandi then I'm watching a different game. Why the clamour for Conway? That will give us 4 players vying for one position. Surely wide right is the priority now? David can only have played so many games because Buckley is injured so often. It certainly can't be because his performances have merited selection? Gazza by the sea

12:25pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??
There's no point any of us moralising and I don't blame the lad for wanting to play the market.
As a player, he's a trier who'll earn a decent living but probably only around the level he's at now. So when it's over sometime in his thirties, he'll (hopefully) have a long life to finance and the best way to accrue a decent nest egg is to move clubs a few times. If he manages it while out of contract, so much the better for him.
And while he's here, of course he's going to say he wants to stay! He's not daft enough to say he wants to go and then incur the wrath of the fans for the next 6 months.
If that's the case, then we may as well cash in now - if we can. But the problem then is that any fee received, dilutes his signing-on fee at the other end and so he'd probably ask Albion to pay him to leave. That means the low fee we'll get for a player shortly out of contract is eaten into by his pay off.
It's the system and I don't blame Ashley and for our part, we just have to play the game and do the same to someone else.
But the problem there is that fans will then start getting narked because we've paid a "nominal fee" for a replacement who, on that basis, won't be deemed good enough.
I think it's time for fans (all over) to start looking beyond the numbers....
Excellent comments.
Not only that, Barnes will lose about 40% of any figures, in tax and employees national insurance. So in say a 10, 15 year career if he is lucky, he will have to finance his entire future and that of his family, pay off the mortgage, and so on.

No qualms about his pay. In contrast, there are squad players, ex-managers (eg Di Matteo), agents - earning millions, on the PL gravy train.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: In modern day football I guess 6000 is not enough for a first team Championship player---however many would grab 6000 and I think the demands of players and agents has got football where it is today, financially, many in a mess. It cannot go on otherwise we will only have three divisions. Barnes will go IMO if some of his demands are not met although he says he wants to stay, I guess the demands and expectations of money are too much for him. Interesting month to come---who goes and who comes??[/p][/quote]There's no point any of us moralising and I don't blame the lad for wanting to play the market. As a player, he's a trier who'll earn a decent living but probably only around the level he's at now. So when it's over sometime in his thirties, he'll (hopefully) have a long life to finance and the best way to accrue a decent nest egg is to move clubs a few times. If he manages it while out of contract, so much the better for him. And while he's here, of course he's going to say he wants to stay! He's not daft enough to say he wants to go and then incur the wrath of the fans for the next 6 months. If that's the case, then we may as well cash in now - if we can. But the problem then is that any fee received, dilutes his signing-on fee at the other end and so he'd probably ask Albion to pay him to leave. That means the low fee we'll get for a player shortly out of contract is eaten into by his pay off. It's the system and I don't blame Ashley and for our part, we just have to play the game and do the same to someone else. But the problem there is that fans will then start getting narked because we've paid a "nominal fee" for a replacement who, on that basis, won't be deemed good enough. I think it's time for fans (all over) to start looking beyond the numbers....[/p][/quote]Excellent comments. Not only that, Barnes will lose about 40% of any figures, in tax and employees national insurance. So in say a 10, 15 year career if he is lucky, he will have to finance his entire future and that of his family, pay off the mortgage, and so on. No qualms about his pay. In contrast, there are squad players, ex-managers (eg Di Matteo), agents - earning millions, on the PL gravy train. Withdean-er

2:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Hovite says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him?
Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.
Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season.

For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player.

There is no Barnes drama here mark.
Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week!
Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week..
If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract
I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week.

You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.
But does it not remind you of Murray? Fact is he was offered a new contract 180 days ago, and has 30 days to be sold, once that period is over... The club have no control, either they offer him good money to stay or he walks , and takes a nice signing on fee! I have feeling club will sell.
Two people posted that Barnes was offered £6500 a week for his new contract, I think other clubs ie Burnley will top that, especially if ings goes.
No it doesn't remind me of the Murray situation. Poyet had a couple of seasons working with him and stupidly did not rate him, and let him go.

Why would we offer Barnes a fantastic contract when Oscar has only been here for a couple of weeks in the summer? Surely it is in Oscar's and Barnes's interest to establish a good working relationship and appreciation of each other first. As it happens I think they have been doing great together, and the best deal for all parties concerned will be negotiated at the end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Read the article , he was offered a new contract in the summer and has not signed!!! Window closes in about 3 weeks, at what point would you sell him? Once the window is closed all the cards are in Barnes hands.[/p][/quote]Why would he sign an contract extention before he worked with a new manager? He had the chance to go but stayed here and if he carries on playing the way he has been it means he will be in a better place to negotiate a better deal with us at the end of the season. For all intent and purposes it looks like he is enoying working with Oscar and is proving his worth as a player. There is no Barnes drama here mark.[/p][/quote]Really!! He has 4 months of football left on his contract , did you not say the same about Murray? What a great decision not to pay him 10k a week! Then sign cms for 2.5 million on wages of 17k a week.. If Barnes is offered £6500 a week he won't be signing a contract[/p][/quote]I never posted a view on Murray and the reason why he left was because Gus let him go. Bloom was going to offer him £9k, which was what Murray was asking, but Gus said he wasn't worth more than £7.5k a week. You don't know what Barnes is on, you don't know what his offer was in the summer, and you don't know what the offer will be at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]But does it not remind you of Murray? Fact is he was offered a new contract 180 days ago, and has 30 days to be sold, once that period is over... The club have no control, either they offer him good money to stay or he walks , and takes a nice signing on fee! I have feeling club will sell. Two people posted that Barnes was offered £6500 a week for his new contract, I think other clubs ie Burnley will top that, especially if ings goes.[/p][/quote]No it doesn't remind me of the Murray situation. Poyet had a couple of seasons working with him and stupidly did not rate him, and let him go. Why would we offer Barnes a fantastic contract when Oscar has only been here for a couple of weeks in the summer? Surely it is in Oscar's and Barnes's interest to establish a good working relationship and appreciation of each other first. As it happens I think they have been doing great together, and the best deal for all parties concerned will be negotiated at the end of the season. Hovite

5:46pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Piglet1 says...

If the figures quoted are right then it sounds to me like the club are being very sensible. £6500 a week for Barnes is a good wage and unlikely to be trumped by much by others. If they do, then in my opinion they are taking a gamble and having seen him play week in week out they may be disappointed in their investment.
I would like him to stay as he has grown on me but I think that the club have the figure correct, if he goes it will free up this wage which can be used elsewhere.
Barnes will want to leave it to the last minute to see what other offers are on the table but he will not want to move for a few peanuts more because of the upheaval to family and the possibility that he will not fit in to a new team. The devil you know is a strong tie and some footballers make a mistake by thinking the grass is always greener. It isn't.
If the figures quoted are right then it sounds to me like the club are being very sensible. £6500 a week for Barnes is a good wage and unlikely to be trumped by much by others. If they do, then in my opinion they are taking a gamble and having seen him play week in week out they may be disappointed in their investment. I would like him to stay as he has grown on me but I think that the club have the figure correct, if he goes it will free up this wage which can be used elsewhere. Barnes will want to leave it to the last minute to see what other offers are on the table but he will not want to move for a few peanuts more because of the upheaval to family and the possibility that he will not fit in to a new team. The devil you know is a strong tie and some footballers make a mistake by thinking the grass is always greener. It isn't. Piglet1

11:59pm Thu 2 Jan 14

OldGull says...

Gazza by the sea wrote:
If Conway and Barnes are a better option wide left than either KLL or Orlandi then I'm watching a different game.

Why the clamour for Conway? That will give us 4 players vying for one position.

Surely wide right is the priority now? David can only have played so many games because Buckley is injured so often. It certainly can't be because his performances have merited selection?
Conway consistently puts in decent crosses which would be ideal for Ulluo.

Yes KLL can be tremendous on his day but is far to inconsistent.
How often does he put in a decent cross.
His usual trick is to cut inside and let fly from 30yards which can be spectacular but his shots are just as likely to end in row Z.
Ulloa will score more goals with Conway playing than KLL.

Having said that, when fit, Orlandi would be in my starting 11 every time
[quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: If Conway and Barnes are a better option wide left than either KLL or Orlandi then I'm watching a different game. Why the clamour for Conway? That will give us 4 players vying for one position. Surely wide right is the priority now? David can only have played so many games because Buckley is injured so often. It certainly can't be because his performances have merited selection?[/p][/quote]Conway consistently puts in decent crosses which would be ideal for Ulluo. Yes KLL can be tremendous on his day but is far to inconsistent. How often does he put in a decent cross. His usual trick is to cut inside and let fly from 30yards which can be spectacular but his shots are just as likely to end in row Z. Ulloa will score more goals with Conway playing than KLL. Having said that, when fit, Orlandi would be in my starting 11 every time OldGull

2:34pm Fri 3 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

More to the point who are we going to buy that will make a difference to our promotion push.We need two or three potential Premiership players and we need them now.
More to the point who are we going to buy that will make a difference to our promotion push.We need two or three potential Premiership players and we need them now. pjwilk

8:02pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

SMF20 wrote:
Just back from the game today.... I thought Bournemouth were a little better than some have made them out to be.. There right back was excellent and did a great job on Kaz and a couple of there midfielders, the keeper and Grabban up top were pretty good too. Having said that, I thought we more than deserved the points today. Without their inspired keeper making 3 incredible saves and us hitting the woodwork 3 times, it would have been a very comfortable win. My one wish would be that we could show that last 10 minute urgency for a lot ,ore of the 90 minutes. I thought that Barnes, Orlandi and Kemy made a big difference again when they came on today. I won't knock Crofts who has had a great season thus far or David who sadly hasn't but the guys that replaced them were very effective with both looking to move the ball forward a lot quicker than those they replaced. Orlandi looked class too... He may not have the pace or power of Kaz but he certainly has an abundance of skill and ability and doesn't need to beat his man to whip in a very good cross.. A little Beckham like... Love Calderon to death and hope he remains at our great club for many years in some capacity but today I'm afraid that he was shown a fresh pair of heals by the opposition on far to many occasions... Great guy, great Pro but sadly his legs have gone. Enjoyed the game today and hope we can press on now. Like others have said, I'd like to see 2 up top given a go but equally I'd like to see both Orlandi and Kemy getting some serious game time... They both have an ability to make us tick. On a final note re Barnes and to join the debate above.. I'd like to see him stay and sign a new year deal. Should he choose not to within a week of the deadline closing then sell him for all we can rather than risk losing him for nothing in June. Uta
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Just back from the game today.... I thought Bournemouth were a little better than some have made them out to be.. There right back was excellent and did a great job on Kaz and a couple of there midfielders, the keeper and Grabban up top were pretty good too. Having said that, I thought we more than deserved the points today. Without their inspired keeper making 3 incredible saves and us hitting the woodwork 3 times, it would have been a very comfortable win. My one wish would be that we could show that last 10 minute urgency for a lot ,ore of the 90 minutes. I thought that Barnes, Orlandi and Kemy made a big difference again when they came on today. I won't knock Crofts who has had a great season thus far or David who sadly hasn't but the guys that replaced them were very effective with both looking to move the ball forward a lot quicker than those they replaced. Orlandi looked class too... He may not have the pace or power of Kaz but he certainly has an abundance of skill and ability and doesn't need to beat his man to whip in a very good cross.. A little Beckham like... Love Calderon to death and hope he remains at our great club for many years in some capacity but today I'm afraid that he was shown a fresh pair of heals by the opposition on far to many occasions... Great guy, great Pro but sadly his legs have gone. Enjoyed the game today and hope we can press on now. Like others have said, I'd like to see 2 up top given a go but equally I'd like to see both Orlandi and Kemy getting some serious game time... They both have an ability to make us tick. On a final note re Barnes and to join the debate above.. I'd like to see him stay and sign a new year deal. Should he choose not to within a week of the deadline closing then sell him for all we can rather than risk losing him for nothing in June. Uta[/p][/quote]Spot on. Captain Haddock

12:57am Mon 6 Jan 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
Why would Bridcutt go to Sunderland when they lost again today and are likely to get cut adrift in the Prem. survival race and be in the Championship next year.

Gus just can't seem to do it at the top level, his impact has been very mixed and losing to Villa today is a real blow. He sounded really disillusioned in the post match interview.

My concern in all this is that Bridcutt goes anyway, Buckley goes, Barnes goes, Ince not tied down to a contract, TK not tied down to a contract. Upson & Greer getting on in years. Massive rebuilding required and is this practical?!!
No it's not practical, if as the guy above reckons Barnes is on 6k a week , and that's the sort of level we are paying then we are heading for a major problem,
Whitehawk are paying someone £1500 a week!
Then it is they who are in for the major problem!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Why would Bridcutt go to Sunderland when they lost again today and are likely to get cut adrift in the Prem. survival race and be in the Championship next year. Gus just can't seem to do it at the top level, his impact has been very mixed and losing to Villa today is a real blow. He sounded really disillusioned in the post match interview. My concern in all this is that Bridcutt goes anyway, Buckley goes, Barnes goes, Ince not tied down to a contract, TK not tied down to a contract. Upson & Greer getting on in years. Massive rebuilding required and is this practical?!![/p][/quote]No it's not practical, if as the guy above reckons Barnes is on 6k a week , and that's the sort of level we are paying then we are heading for a major problem, Whitehawk are paying someone £1500 a week![/p][/quote]Then it is they who are in for the major problem! Captain Haddock

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