Burnley award former Seagull new deal as they chase Ashley Barnes

The Argus: Ashley Barnes (right) would face competition from former Seagull Sam Vokes if he moved to Burnley Ashley Barnes (right) would face competition from former Seagull Sam Vokes if he moved to Burnley

Former Albion striker Sam Vokes has signed a new long-term contract with Burnley - the club pursuing Ashley Barnes.

Vokes, who had a loan stint with the Seagulls, has signed a deal until the summer of 2017.

Burnley, currently second in the Championship, have made a £750,000 bid for Barnes.

They are expected to increase their offer during the January transfer window.

Barnes would be competing at Turf Moor with Vokes and the prolific Danny Ings, who is likely to move to the Premier League in the summer if Burnley are not promoted.

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4:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

£1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.
£1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change. To baldly go

4:28pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

I doubt Barnes would take being third man at Burnley over the Albion - unless the personal money was really silly. However, it is a handy bargaining chip in his negotiations with the Seagulls. I'm not convimced he'll go.
I doubt Barnes would take being third man at Burnley over the Albion - unless the personal money was really silly. However, it is a handy bargaining chip in his negotiations with the Seagulls. I'm not convimced he'll go. Willie, Willie Irvine

4:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

This wouldn't be a particularly smart move for AB and I fully expect him to tough it out at the Albion. That's my hope, at least but I accept this won't be shared by everybody!
This wouldn't be a particularly smart move for AB and I fully expect him to tough it out at the Albion. That's my hope, at least but I accept this won't be shared by everybody! Aye Aye

4:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

rackhamlouis says...

Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)
Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth) rackhamlouis

4:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

I would think something is going on with Barnes---silence is deafening from him and club---I would like him to stay but as said if he does not want to stay on our terms then he will go if the terms at Burnley are better--Simple!!
I would think something is going on with Barnes---silence is deafening from him and club---I would like him to stay but as said if he does not want to stay on our terms then he will go if the terms at Burnley are better--Simple!! mikeygit

4:49pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.
Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is. Alfie T

5:13pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

As Willie says, why move unless the offer if noticeably better than what he's being offered here? Very little chance of regular football at Burnley with the current form of Vokes and Ings, plus he'd be playing half his football at Turf Moor rather than the magnificent Amex.
As Willie says, why move unless the offer if noticeably better than what he's being offered here? Very little chance of regular football at Burnley with the current form of Vokes and Ings, plus he'd be playing half his football at Turf Moor rather than the magnificent Amex. Ex-pat Arnie

5:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

rackhamlouis wrote:
Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)
Agreed.....certainly an extreme overuse of the term 'breaking news'.
[quote][p][bold]rackhamlouis[/bold] wrote: Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)[/p][/quote]Agreed.....certainly an extreme overuse of the term 'breaking news'. albionbloke

5:33pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I hope that if he does go the Burnley fans are more appreciative of him than Albion fans have been.
I hope that if he does go the Burnley fans are more appreciative of him than Albion fans have been. Ex-pat Arnie

5:36pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Alfie T wrote:
Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.
I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.[/p][/quote]I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't. Old Scrote of the Amex

5:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

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5:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I hope that if he does go the Burnley fans are more appreciative of him than Albion fans have been.
A touch harsh on the Albion faithful perhaps? I think his stock has risen since Ulloa has been out and more fans would miss him now than 3 months ago.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I hope that if he does go the Burnley fans are more appreciative of him than Albion fans have been.[/p][/quote]A touch harsh on the Albion faithful perhaps? I think his stock has risen since Ulloa has been out and more fans would miss him now than 3 months ago. Old Scrote of the Amex

5:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lowerbeedingseagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
£1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.
Spot on. His miss after March hit the bar on Saturday was right up there with his best ones and there have been plenty !!
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: £1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.[/p][/quote]Spot on. His miss after March hit the bar on Saturday was right up there with his best ones and there have been plenty !! lowerbeedingseagull

5:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lotsofducks says...

For me, it is simple: ANY Albion player can go if we get enough for him. No one is irreplaceable, if we have enough dosh - see my first point! Better to sell and use the money wisely than try to ring-fence any individual players, no matter how good they are; this includes Bridcutt, Ulloa, Buckley etc. Also, there is some real emerging talent in the development squad. 6 months ago, we'd have said Bridcutt and Bridcutt were irreplaceable, now we have Ince and March. 'Nuff said!
For me, it is simple: ANY Albion player can go if we get enough for him. No one is irreplaceable, if we have enough dosh - see my first point! Better to sell and use the money wisely than try to ring-fence any individual players, no matter how good they are; this includes Bridcutt, Ulloa, Buckley etc. Also, there is some real emerging talent in the development squad. 6 months ago, we'd have said Bridcutt and Bridcutt were irreplaceable, now we have Ince and March. 'Nuff said! lotsofducks

5:46pm Mon 6 Jan 14

dave from bexill says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.
I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.
And you've seen Burnley play how many times exactly Scrote?
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.[/p][/quote]I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.[/p][/quote]And you've seen Burnley play how many times exactly Scrote? dave from bexill

5:48pm Mon 6 Jan 14

The Phantom says...

albionbloke wrote:
rackhamlouis wrote:
Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)
Agreed.....certainly an extreme overuse of the term 'breaking news'.
Yep agreed, breaking news about a player who played a few games on loan for us a couple of years back and some supposition about a possible increased bid for Barnes. Tenuous to say the least. Just under a million would be a good price for us if contract is running out in the summer - probably a good signing for Burnley as squad is very thin and the front two will wear down if they do not get any additional cover. Agree with earlier poster, Burnley is a complete dump of a place so hope for his sake that he finds somewhere to live nowhere near his place of work.
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rackhamlouis[/bold] wrote: Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)[/p][/quote]Agreed.....certainly an extreme overuse of the term 'breaking news'.[/p][/quote]Yep agreed, breaking news about a player who played a few games on loan for us a couple of years back and some supposition about a possible increased bid for Barnes. Tenuous to say the least. Just under a million would be a good price for us if contract is running out in the summer - probably a good signing for Burnley as squad is very thin and the front two will wear down if they do not get any additional cover. Agree with earlier poster, Burnley is a complete dump of a place so hope for his sake that he finds somewhere to live nowhere near his place of work. The Phantom

5:54pm Mon 6 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Ash works his socks off and has made massive strides in the last 6 months. He is no Ulloa and still struggles to find the net at times but as a back up striker is certainly worth keeping.

Having said that... If Burnley offer £1m and Ash still won't sign a new contract then imho we should bite their arm off rather than lose him for nothing mid year.
On top of the £1m it is also worth remembering that his was wage would be freed up too and thus Albion would stand to lose well over a million if Ash moves for free.

That money and that wage would I suggest go a long way to getting a very good player in on loan for 4 months and yes we may have to use so e of Ash's fee to fund the loan but given there will still be a lot of change, is it worth us potentially getting zero?

Anyway.. I'm sure discussion Re taking place as we speAk and I trust TB to do whats best for the club.

Ura
Ash works his socks off and has made massive strides in the last 6 months. He is no Ulloa and still struggles to find the net at times but as a back up striker is certainly worth keeping. Having said that... If Burnley offer £1m and Ash still won't sign a new contract then imho we should bite their arm off rather than lose him for nothing mid year. On top of the £1m it is also worth remembering that his was wage would be freed up too and thus Albion would stand to lose well over a million if Ash moves for free. That money and that wage would I suggest go a long way to getting a very good player in on loan for 4 months and yes we may have to use so e of Ash's fee to fund the loan but given there will still be a lot of change, is it worth us potentially getting zero? Anyway.. I'm sure discussion Re taking place as we speAk and I trust TB to do whats best for the club. Ura SMF20

5:54pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Hovite says...

To baldly go wrote:
£1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.
When he was offered a new deal it was before Oscar was here and he would have been nuts to have signed before he knew if he would be part of Oscars plans.

By waiting and proving himself he will have earnt the right to have a better deal than the one last summer.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: £1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.[/p][/quote]When he was offered a new deal it was before Oscar was here and he would have been nuts to have signed before he knew if he would be part of Oscars plans. By waiting and proving himself he will have earnt the right to have a better deal than the one last summer. Hovite

5:55pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.
I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.
And you've seen Burnley play how many times exactly Scrote?
Probably the same as me, once, and we won 2.0. It's just an opinion dfb that's all.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.[/p][/quote]I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.[/p][/quote]And you've seen Burnley play how many times exactly Scrote?[/p][/quote]Probably the same as me, once, and we won 2.0. It's just an opinion dfb that's all. Alfie T

5:56pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

The Phantom wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
rackhamlouis wrote:
Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)
Agreed.....certainly an extreme overuse of the term 'breaking news'.
Yep agreed, breaking news about a player who played a few games on loan for us a couple of years back and some supposition about a possible increased bid for Barnes. Tenuous to say the least. Just under a million would be a good price for us if contract is running out in the summer - probably a good signing for Burnley as squad is very thin and the front two will wear down if they do not get any additional cover. Agree with earlier poster, Burnley is a complete dump of a place so hope for his sake that he finds somewhere to live nowhere near his place of work.
For once, I have no opinion on the football element of this story or your post, (no offence but it's a total non-story) but I do feel inclined to completely agree with your appraisal of the Lancashire town.
Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rackhamlouis[/bold] wrote: Is this really worth reporting? Another slow day ... Would be far more interested in an update on CMS, whether or not Orlandi has shown any problems after 2 sub appearances (like he did after his initial comeback at Bournemouth)[/p][/quote]Agreed.....certainly an extreme overuse of the term 'breaking news'.[/p][/quote]Yep agreed, breaking news about a player who played a few games on loan for us a couple of years back and some supposition about a possible increased bid for Barnes. Tenuous to say the least. Just under a million would be a good price for us if contract is running out in the summer - probably a good signing for Burnley as squad is very thin and the front two will wear down if they do not get any additional cover. Agree with earlier poster, Burnley is a complete dump of a place so hope for his sake that he finds somewhere to live nowhere near his place of work.[/p][/quote]For once, I have no opinion on the football element of this story or your post, (no offence but it's a total non-story) but I do feel inclined to completely agree with your appraisal of the Lancashire town. Thanks. Albion In Staffs

6:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

namgo49 says...

He will want to stay on the sunny south coast so in conjunction with his Agent is working the old El-Abd shimmy.
He will want to stay on the sunny south coast so in conjunction with his Agent is working the old El-Abd shimmy. namgo49

6:03pm Mon 6 Jan 14

saraman says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I hope that if he does go the Burnley fans are more appreciative of him than Albion fans have been.
I can't imagine the cloth cap brigade being as lenient with Barnes as the Albion supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I hope that if he does go the Burnley fans are more appreciative of him than Albion fans have been.[/p][/quote]I can't imagine the cloth cap brigade being as lenient with Barnes as the Albion supporters. saraman

6:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Steyning reject says...

In an interview for seagulls.co.uk in November

" i'm delighted to get 50 goals and it's a massive achievement I don't want to stop here, I want to keep going until the end of the season"

This comment says to me he does not see himself here next season so the question is do club sell now and get something for him or keep him to end of the season and lose him on a free.
In an interview for seagulls.co.uk in November " i'm delighted to get 50 goals and it's a massive achievement I don't want to stop here, I want to keep going until the end of the season" This comment says to me he does not see himself here next season so the question is do club sell now and get something for him or keep him to end of the season and lose him on a free. Steyning reject

6:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Rougvie Legend says...

With other clubs signing players and the concerns we may be priced out of the market for our targets when we lead the attendance league , i do hope amny punishments for breaking the new rules far out weigh being promoted
to the Premiership or we will look right mugs , Shame we didnt manage to smort Barnes contract not totaly the clubs fault 1m for a championship stricker is peanuts we couldnt find one last season , we looked abroad and luckily unearthed a gem in Ulloa

UTA
With other clubs signing players and the concerns we may be priced out of the market for our targets when we lead the attendance league , i do hope amny punishments for breaking the new rules far out weigh being promoted to the Premiership or we will look right mugs , Shame we didnt manage to smort Barnes contract not totaly the clubs fault 1m for a championship stricker is peanuts we couldnt find one last season , we looked abroad and luckily unearthed a gem in Ulloa UTA Rougvie Legend

6:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Rougvie Legend says...

oh dear I must remember not to use my mobile to post ,I cant read it prior to posting
oh dear I must remember not to use my mobile to post ,I cant read it prior to posting Rougvie Legend

6:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Vince says...

Gus rarely played Vokes and CMS together - but I remember one occasion in an away match when Vokes was winning balls in the air and releasing CMS like he now does for Ings. If this had been allowed to develop who knows what might have been. Says a lot about Gus's negative tactic of playing just one striker - home and away - until the last 10 minutes. I lost count of the number of times we retrieved a 0-1 or 0-2 deficit at home once we went all-out attack.
I worry that Oscar is playing the same system - but there are signs that he may be more willing to play 2 strikers occasionally. I really hope so, because history proves that two strikers who form a good understanding can win championships. The other alternative is to have goal-scoring midfielders who are capable of linking with the lone striker.

On another tack - I hope we keep hold of Buckley - as he really opens up defences down the right wing. If Barnes is stalling on signing a new contract it's clear he's likely to go in the summer, so if we get an offer of £1m+ for him we should take it and get Conway - hopefully for 0.5m. Cardiff owe us one for Nooney.
Gus rarely played Vokes and CMS together - but I remember one occasion in an away match when Vokes was winning balls in the air and releasing CMS like he now does for Ings. If this had been allowed to develop who knows what might have been. Says a lot about Gus's negative tactic of playing just one striker - home and away - until the last 10 minutes. I lost count of the number of times we retrieved a 0-1 or 0-2 deficit at home once we went all-out attack. I worry that Oscar is playing the same system - but there are signs that he may be more willing to play 2 strikers occasionally. I really hope so, because history proves that two strikers who form a good understanding can win championships. The other alternative is to have goal-scoring midfielders who are capable of linking with the lone striker. On another tack - I hope we keep hold of Buckley - as he really opens up defences down the right wing. If Barnes is stalling on signing a new contract it's clear he's likely to go in the summer, so if we get an offer of £1m+ for him we should take it and get Conway - hopefully for 0.5m. Cardiff owe us one for Nooney. Vince

7:36pm Mon 6 Jan 14

fratsomrover says...

It will be a great piece of business if we can get £1m for AB. It will be a useful injection of funds which will allow us to get someone with a proven ability at this level to compliment Ulloa, especially if added to the fee we get for Bridcutt.
It will be a great piece of business if we can get £1m for AB. It will be a useful injection of funds which will allow us to get someone with a proven ability at this level to compliment Ulloa, especially if added to the fee we get for Bridcutt. fratsomrover

7:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.
I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.
And you've seen Burnley play how many times exactly Scrote?
A couple. Once when we beat them and once on the TV. They played well on TV and are obviously playing well in other games but they are generally believed to be punching way above their weight and these things tends not to last.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to see a smaller team do well when there's so much money in this division but I don't think any of the Burnley fans are daft enough to think they're "Premier League Ready" on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Burnley won't get promoted, I think they will drop away with the smallish squad they have. Dyche is a decent manager though, unlucky to lose his job at Watford. If they offer a million plus for Barnes, take it, but if I was Barnes I'd be pushing for a new deal with us, Burnley is a real dump, and I can't believe he would be on a great deal more money than he currently is.[/p][/quote]I agree. Burnley are having a freak season and I don't think their form will last but Dyche will probably end up in the PL even if they don't.[/p][/quote]And you've seen Burnley play how many times exactly Scrote?[/p][/quote]A couple. Once when we beat them and once on the TV. They played well on TV and are obviously playing well in other games but they are generally believed to be punching way above their weight and these things tends not to last. Don't get me wrong, it's great to see a smaller team do well when there's so much money in this division but I don't think any of the Burnley fans are daft enough to think they're "Premier League Ready" on the pitch. Old Scrote of the Amex

7:47pm Mon 6 Jan 14

MLEE says...

We don't want to lose Barnes..............
..For nothing !!!!!!
We don't want to lose Barnes.............. ..For nothing !!!!!! MLEE

8:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gazza by the sea says...

£1m? For Ashley Barnes? And we're discussing it?.........
£1m? For Ashley Barnes? And we're discussing it?......... Gazza by the sea

8:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

tug509 says...

I hope Barnes has the good sense to stay with us ,i think if we got a decent fee for Liam ,as it now seems inevitable he will go ,we could bring back Conway for the left with Kaz ,use Buckley or March down the right ,and play Barnes in a slightly more central role supporting Ulloa and the new striker we must bring in with the rest of Liam`s fee.

Ince is getting better every game ,so as we all seem to agree ,tie him to a lengthy contract quick smart ,i beieve we would have ,with our existing players ,a strong enough squad to make a PO spot ,but ultimately if Barnes wont sign ,then as above get at least 1m for him . imho. UTA

Hi Vegas ,say what you want ,when you want ,it`s The Albion that rules ,not trolls!.
I hope Barnes has the good sense to stay with us ,i think if we got a decent fee for Liam ,as it now seems inevitable he will go ,we could bring back Conway for the left with Kaz ,use Buckley or March down the right ,and play Barnes in a slightly more central role supporting Ulloa and the new striker we must bring in with the rest of Liam`s fee. Ince is getting better every game ,so as we all seem to agree ,tie him to a lengthy contract quick smart ,i beieve we would have ,with our existing players ,a strong enough squad to make a PO spot ,but ultimately if Barnes wont sign ,then as above get at least 1m for him . imho. UTA Hi Vegas ,say what you want ,when you want ,it`s The Albion that rules ,not trolls!. tug509

8:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops. Tony the tiger eastbourne

10:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

brightonup says...

I think we need Barnes - at least until the end of this season. It would be difficult to fault his commitment - whatever other football attributes he may lack.... CMS may not be match fit (even if he passes a 'fitness test' by the end of January) for many more weeks, sadly Hoskins may not play again this season - if ever, and any new recruit may take a bit of time to settle (which may cost us a play off place)
Barnes must surely remain our best option for success this season..
I think we need Barnes - at least until the end of this season. It would be difficult to fault his commitment - whatever other football attributes he may lack.... CMS may not be match fit (even if he passes a 'fitness test' by the end of January) for many more weeks, sadly Hoskins may not play again this season - if ever, and any new recruit may take a bit of time to settle (which may cost us a play off place) Barnes must surely remain our best option for success this season.. brightonup

10:14pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

To baldly go wrote:
£1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.
Who says he's refusing to sign whatever is being put in front of him? Just some chinese whispers or guessing by those like us with no true knowledge of the negotiations. Perhaps Barnes & his agent are perfectly happy with the Albion and they will agree a new contract in due course, which may well be well after January. From a fans point of view, the quiet majority have always been satisfied with the return from Barnes since he joined us for a bargain fee. It was only ever the noisy whiners who slagged him (and others off).

As for youngsters, it's well known that Barnes is modestly paid compared to a raft of other Albion players. Shipping on one of the others, would raise far more cash in saved wages for the youth scheme.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: £1m+ and let him go, if he's not prepared to sign for us then its time to move him on and for us to invest in some young talented striker. His energy will be missed but if his hearts is not with the Albion its time to change.[/p][/quote]Who says he's refusing to sign whatever is being put in front of him? Just some chinese whispers or guessing by those like us with no true knowledge of the negotiations. Perhaps Barnes & his agent are perfectly happy with the Albion and they will agree a new contract in due course, which may well be well after January. From a fans point of view, the quiet majority have always been satisfied with the return from Barnes since he joined us for a bargain fee. It was only ever the noisy whiners who slagged him (and others off). As for youngsters, it's well known that Barnes is modestly paid compared to a raft of other Albion players. Shipping on one of the others, would raise far more cash in saved wages for the youth scheme. Withdean-er

10:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Gazza by the sea wrote:
£1m? For Ashley Barnes? And we're discussing it?.........
£3.25m paid for 27 year old League One player, CMS, when Murray was available for just a well earned pay rise.

In light of modern football finances and the shocking example above, in comparison, I would say well-run Burnley and the excellent Dyche appear quite sensible in their valuation.
[quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: £1m? For Ashley Barnes? And we're discussing it?.........[/p][/quote]£3.25m paid for 27 year old League One player, CMS, when Murray was available for just a well earned pay rise. In light of modern football finances and the shocking example above, in comparison, I would say well-run Burnley and the excellent Dyche appear quite sensible in their valuation. Withdean-er

10:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous!

It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it.

As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide.

Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat!

Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.[/p][/quote]The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous! It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it. As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide. Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat! Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here. WestStander17

11:00pm Mon 6 Jan 14

tug509 says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous!

It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it.

As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide.

Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat!

Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.
Best post so far imho ,points out very nicely just how hard it would be to replace Barnes . More to the point ,if we have a little more patience with his game ,and dont expect a goal every match ,it might take the pressure off enough ,to see that change as well ?!. UTA
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.[/p][/quote]The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous! It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it. As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide. Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat! Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.[/p][/quote]Best post so far imho ,points out very nicely just how hard it would be to replace Barnes . More to the point ,if we have a little more patience with his game ,and dont expect a goal every match ,it might take the pressure off enough ,to see that change as well ?!. UTA tug509

11:12pm Mon 6 Jan 14

crawleydownseagull says...

No more loans please, we need continuity, we have strength in depth, keep our squad together, we got Ash and Liam for nothing, let them go for nothing if it means we have a better chance at £60m. It takes too long for new players to knit, not welcome at his time of the season. allegedly 3/4 of the championship clubs will not comply with FFP, buy Conway anyway we will not be shot at a firing squad if we are just over budget.
No more loans please, we need continuity, we have strength in depth, keep our squad together, we got Ash and Liam for nothing, let them go for nothing if it means we have a better chance at £60m. It takes too long for new players to knit, not welcome at his time of the season. allegedly 3/4 of the championship clubs will not comply with FFP, buy Conway anyway we will not be shot at a firing squad if we are just over budget. crawleydownseagull

11:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

tug509 wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous!

It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it.

As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide.

Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat!

Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.
Best post so far imho ,points out very nicely just how hard it would be to replace Barnes . More to the point ,if we have a little more patience with his game ,and dont expect a goal every match ,it might take the pressure off enough ,to see that change as well ?!. UTA
Good post Tug, he probably was mom, although March had a very good game and I can see why he got it. I've never been the greatest Barnes fan, mainly because of his tantrums and petulant behaviour at times, although he seems to have grown up a bit now.
I agree he works very hard and I hope the club and him work out a deal to satisfy both parties. Can't see that he would want to leave the beautiful south coast for a miserable dump like Burnley, and I really think they will fall away in the second half of the season.
I wonder if Bridcutts move to Sunderland has wobbled, GP was hoping to have him available for their game tomorrow, perhaps our Tony is living up to his reputation as the Lizard!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.[/p][/quote]The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous! It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it. As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide. Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat! Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.[/p][/quote]Best post so far imho ,points out very nicely just how hard it would be to replace Barnes . More to the point ,if we have a little more patience with his game ,and dont expect a goal every match ,it might take the pressure off enough ,to see that change as well ?!. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post Tug, he probably was mom, although March had a very good game and I can see why he got it. I've never been the greatest Barnes fan, mainly because of his tantrums and petulant behaviour at times, although he seems to have grown up a bit now. I agree he works very hard and I hope the club and him work out a deal to satisfy both parties. Can't see that he would want to leave the beautiful south coast for a miserable dump like Burnley, and I really think they will fall away in the second half of the season. I wonder if Bridcutts move to Sunderland has wobbled, GP was hoping to have him available for their game tomorrow, perhaps our Tony is living up to his reputation as the Lizard! Alfie T

11:49pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous!

It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it.

As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide.

Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat!

Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.
Yes I was at game on Saturday my old fruit, and many more games to comment on this. Barnes does give you 100% no question on that; but, and I say but, with all the chances Barnes has had this season,including some misses of courses, should be the leading goalscorer of the Championship. Why is Burnley only offering 750k for his sevices, if he is that good in your opinion hes gotta be worth more? I aint the only one that thinks this, theres about another fewvin the 25000 that go each week think that!! Anyway I thought Solly March or Keith Andrews were MOTM Saturday. I know Solly got it but Andrews was quailty
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.[/p][/quote]The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous! It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it. As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide. Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat! Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.[/p][/quote]Yes I was at game on Saturday my old fruit, and many more games to comment on this. Barnes does give you 100% no question on that; but, and I say but, with all the chances Barnes has had this season,including some misses of courses, should be the leading goalscorer of the Championship. Why is Burnley only offering 750k for his sevices, if he is that good in your opinion hes gotta be worth more? I aint the only one that thinks this, theres about another fewvin the 25000 that go each week think that!! Anyway I thought Solly March or Keith Andrews were MOTM Saturday. I know Solly got it but Andrews was quailty Tony the tiger eastbourne

12:03am Tue 7 Jan 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous!

It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it.

As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide.

Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat!

Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.
Anyway this website is about opinions, you think Barnes is great, good I respect your opinion, where I think Barnes is good, not great, so I hope you respect my reply, whether you agree with me or not or anyone else opinion. All players picked always go out and give 100%
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.[/p][/quote]The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous! It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it. As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide. Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat! Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.[/p][/quote]Anyway this website is about opinions, you think Barnes is great, good I respect your opinion, where I think Barnes is good, not great, so I hope you respect my reply, whether you agree with me or not or anyone else opinion. All players picked always go out and give 100% Tony the tiger eastbourne

8:49am Tue 7 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.
The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous!

It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it.

As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide.

Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat!

Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.
Yes I was at game on Saturday my old fruit, and many more games to comment on this. Barnes does give you 100% no question on that; but, and I say but, with all the chances Barnes has had this season,including some misses of courses, should be the leading goalscorer of the Championship. Why is Burnley only offering 750k for his sevices, if he is that good in your opinion hes gotta be worth more? I aint the only one that thinks this, theres about another fewvin the 25000 that go each week think that!! Anyway I thought Solly March or Keith Andrews were MOTM Saturday. I know Solly got it but Andrews was quailty
Of course everyone can have their own opinion. As you say, it's a game of opinions. However, i think its important that people take in all the information before forming an opinion otherwise you end up with some random opinions. If anyone rates Barnes on just his goals, he hasn't pulled up so many trees lately (although he has been our top scorer a couple of times and was only a few behind GM in our promotion season, playing in a withdrawn position. Not a bad tally!). But, there is way more to his game than that.

Since he came back from his long suspension, he seems to have really knuckled down and improved as a result. The only frustration he generally shows lately is when he is being fouled or when he misses a chance to hold the ball up. I suggest you forget about goals when watching Barnes, see them as a bonus. Concentrate on how many times he keeps/wins possession when a contested ball goes towards him. See how few come straight back and you might change your opinion a bit. If you don't think this part of the game is important, ask Greer, El Abd & Upson how important they think it is!

Yes, I do think he's worth more than £750k to us, even with his contract ending soon. And clearly people at the club agree as they turned it down.
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: Barnes needs a fresh start imo. Will always give you 100% but a a goal scorer, the position he's been playing in of late, im starting to question his position as striker. Summed up on Saturday with the goal gaping, he puts his header onto the bar. If things aint going right, barnes head drops.[/p][/quote]The old "rating a forward on JUST the number of goals he scores" trick, huh?! Do you think his and Leo's ONLY instruction when they play in that position is to score a goal or goals? Do you think any forward coming off the field without scoring after 90 mins has failed and/or played badly? Ridiculous! It was the same when Heskey played up top for England. He took lots of flak for not scoring goals and lots of people wondered why all these top coaches kept picking him. It's because he was excellent at relieving pressure on his own defenders by challenging for every ball that came his way. If he didn't win it, he won/gave away a free-kick or throw-in. Anything to stop the ball coming straight back at the defence. Barnes did that brilliantly on Saturday, set up the goal with a great knock down and was my MoM. Yes, you'd like the player in that position to score his share but it's not his only job - far from it. As for his header that hit the bar on Saturday, it came to him very quickly and was basically a reaction rather than a controlled header. Ulloa's chance against Bournemouth was an easier one but do you feel he needs a fresh start?! And his head certainly didn't drop on Saturday, he worked tirelessly right to the end. In fact, within the last 10 mins he won the ball on the edge of their box with a sliding tackle only for Lua Lua to smash it wide. Were you at the game on Saturday, Tony the Tiger? Because Ash was grrrrreat! Offer him a better deal. Like Arnie, if he does go to Burnley, I hope their fans appreciate the work he does more than some do here.[/p][/quote]Yes I was at game on Saturday my old fruit, and many more games to comment on this. Barnes does give you 100% no question on that; but, and I say but, with all the chances Barnes has had this season,including some misses of courses, should be the leading goalscorer of the Championship. Why is Burnley only offering 750k for his sevices, if he is that good in your opinion hes gotta be worth more? I aint the only one that thinks this, theres about another fewvin the 25000 that go each week think that!! Anyway I thought Solly March or Keith Andrews were MOTM Saturday. I know Solly got it but Andrews was quailty[/p][/quote]Of course everyone can have their own opinion. As you say, it's a game of opinions. However, i think its important that people take in all the information before forming an opinion otherwise you end up with some random opinions. If anyone rates Barnes on just his goals, he hasn't pulled up so many trees lately (although he has been our top scorer a couple of times and was only a few behind GM in our promotion season, playing in a withdrawn position. Not a bad tally!). But, there is way more to his game than that. Since he came back from his long suspension, he seems to have really knuckled down and improved as a result. The only frustration he generally shows lately is when he is being fouled or when he misses a chance to hold the ball up. I suggest you forget about goals when watching Barnes, see them as a bonus. Concentrate on how many times he keeps/wins possession when a contested ball goes towards him. See how few come straight back and you might change your opinion a bit. If you don't think this part of the game is important, ask Greer, El Abd & Upson how important they think it is! Yes, I do think he's worth more than £750k to us, even with his contract ending soon. And clearly people at the club agree as they turned it down. WestStander17

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