Albion coach determined to keep squad intact

The Argus: Liam Bridcutt is a target for Sunderland Liam Bridcutt is a target for Sunderland

Albion No. 2 Nathan Jones has reiterated the club’s desire to keep the squad together during the January transfer window.

Gus Poyet’s Sunderland have made bids for Liam Bridcutt and Will Buckley, while Burnley have made an offer for Ashley Barnes.

Further hamstring trouble, which has ruled Buckley out until the end of the month, could affect whether the Premier League’s bottom club increase their £1.75 million bid for the winger.

The Black Cats are, however, expected to pursue their interest in Bridcutt after offering £2 million for the defensive midfielder.

Burnley, currently second in the Championship, are also expected to increase their £750,000 bid for striker Barnes.

Sean Dyche’s automatic promotion-chasers want him as back-up and competition for the prolific Danny Ings and former Albion loan striker Sam Vokes, who signed a new long-term contract yesterday.

But Jones said of Albion’s in-demand trio: “They are Brighton players. We are immensely proud of our squad.

“We’re looking to progress and get to where we want to be and we need our good players for that.”

Albion return to Championship action at home to Birmingham on Saturday with only one place and goal difference dividing Oscar Garcia's in-form side from a play-off spot after the 1-0 FA Cup victory against Reading at The Amex stretched their recent run to one defeat in seven matches.

Jones said: “We’d like to be slightly more clinical but we realise performance levels are important as well.

“We’re in a decent place. We’re relatively happy with where we are and sides we come up against know they are going to have to defend well against us, because anyone can see we are creating enough chances to win.”

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6:58am Tue 7 Jan 14

brightonup says...

This sounds positive!
This sounds positive! brightonup

7:16am Tue 7 Jan 14

impose our game gull says...

"slightly more clinical"? Surely this should read "a lot more clinical"? Against Bournemouth 4 - 0 would have been fair based on chances. Reading - 3 - 0. Lots of woodwork of course too ....

UTA!!
"slightly more clinical"? Surely this should read "a lot more clinical"? Against Bournemouth 4 - 0 would have been fair based on chances. Reading - 3 - 0. Lots of woodwork of course too .... UTA!! impose our game gull

7:41am Tue 7 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Perhaps on viewing Sunderland and Burnley respectively ,may be money not everything for some of our players.
Still think liam would be better off either waiting for a top 10 side with a definate chance of still being in prem next season or staying with us until the end of this season ,then either moving or maybe....not having to .
Time will tell ,
Perhaps on viewing Sunderland and Burnley respectively ,may be money not everything for some of our players. Still think liam would be better off either waiting for a top 10 side with a definate chance of still being in prem next season or staying with us until the end of this season ,then either moving or maybe....not having to . Time will tell , Far gull

7:57am Tue 7 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest? AlanDuffy

8:11am Tue 7 Jan 14

brightonup says...

Far gull wrote:
Perhaps on viewing Sunderland and Burnley respectively ,may be money not everything for some of our players.
Still think liam would be better off either waiting for a top 10 side with a definate chance of still being in prem next season or staying with us until the end of this season ,then either moving or maybe....not having to .
Time will tell ,
Good post!
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Perhaps on viewing Sunderland and Burnley respectively ,may be money not everything for some of our players. Still think liam would be better off either waiting for a top 10 side with a definate chance of still being in prem next season or staying with us until the end of this season ,then either moving or maybe....not having to . Time will tell ,[/p][/quote]Good post! brightonup

8:14am Tue 7 Jan 14

Carlas mum says...

Whatever happened to Oscar?
Whatever happened to Oscar? Carlas mum

8:48am Tue 7 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Carlas mum says...

Whatever happened to Oscar?

Oh, he's still around. Doesn't say much but he's taken the club to the verge of the play offs and given us fans a team worth watching. Actions speak louder than words I guess.
Carlas mum says... Whatever happened to Oscar? Oh, he's still around. Doesn't say much but he's taken the club to the verge of the play offs and given us fans a team worth watching. Actions speak louder than words I guess. B rian Tawses left foot

8:55am Tue 7 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
I agree with most of your comments Alan.Problem with selling Buckers at the moment is by the time he,s fit the window will have closed and there,s no way any club would take him as he would fail a medical!
I still think we should sell Bridcutt as we have good enough cover. I was not a fan of Andrews but on Saturday he played very well so my opinion of him has changed.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your comments Alan.Problem with selling Buckers at the moment is by the time he,s fit the window will have closed and there,s no way any club would take him as he would fail a medical! I still think we should sell Bridcutt as we have good enough cover. I was not a fan of Andrews but on Saturday he played very well so my opinion of him has changed. SeagullOverSelsey

9:05am Tue 7 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
I'd be interested to know how many of our squad you believe are of a quality to do well in the Premier League. You say Barnes isn't but how many are? Right now, I'd say 3 for sure with a group of players, including Barnes, a little behind that.

But, we're not in the Premier League yet and very few clubs will have many more than that before going up. If they did, they'd lose them in January anyway!
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]I'd be interested to know how many of our squad you believe are of a quality to do well in the Premier League. You say Barnes isn't but how many are? Right now, I'd say 3 for sure with a group of players, including Barnes, a little behind that. But, we're not in the Premier League yet and very few clubs will have many more than that before going up. If they did, they'd lose them in January anyway! WestStander17

9:20am Tue 7 Jan 14

Neville says...

Interesting that nearly all the top six clubs,except Ipswich are in process of strengthening.
Interesting that nearly all the top six clubs,except Ipswich are in process of strengthening. Neville

9:20am Tue 7 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
Bridcutt's decision is key here, if he wants to go and his heart is no longer with us then cash in. But perhaps he's thinking that Poyet is a bit of a lose cannon and could just up and go any time. With OG you have a quiet unassuming but talented coach who is very quietly going about his business and is with us for the long term. We will be a Premiership club, I have no doubt, and I hope Liam, Will and AB will help us achieve that goal.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt's decision is key here, if he wants to go and his heart is no longer with us then cash in. But perhaps he's thinking that Poyet is a bit of a lose cannon and could just up and go any time. With OG you have a quiet unassuming but talented coach who is very quietly going about his business and is with us for the long term. We will be a Premiership club, I have no doubt, and I hope Liam, Will and AB will help us achieve that goal. Alfie T

9:41am Tue 7 Jan 14

Far gull says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
I agree with most of your comments Alan.Problem with selling Buckers at the moment is by the time he,s fit the window will have closed and there,s no way any club would take him as he would fail a medical!
I still think we should sell Bridcutt as we have good enough cover. I was not a fan of Andrews but on Saturday he played very well so my opinion of him has changed.
Have to agree sos, if andrews could find consistency my opinion of him would change to,although i still prefer Ince in that position . If Liam were to stay he must revert to his last season position as a pure holding midfielder as going forward he looks actually very average.
What we all must remember i believe is that as a club we (the suits) have in recent years played our transfer dealings close to their chests and with a quiet manager too boot. Also as yet i don't believe oscar has yet had a window to bring in his very own choices,this we may see in this window if one or two leave,which much as in a previous post i suggested would nit be in one or two players own interest,may actually suit Oscar ??
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your comments Alan.Problem with selling Buckers at the moment is by the time he,s fit the window will have closed and there,s no way any club would take him as he would fail a medical! I still think we should sell Bridcutt as we have good enough cover. I was not a fan of Andrews but on Saturday he played very well so my opinion of him has changed.[/p][/quote]Have to agree sos, if andrews could find consistency my opinion of him would change to,although i still prefer Ince in that position . If Liam were to stay he must revert to his last season position as a pure holding midfielder as going forward he looks actually very average. What we all must remember i believe is that as a club we (the suits) have in recent years played our transfer dealings close to their chests and with a quiet manager too boot. Also as yet i don't believe oscar has yet had a window to bring in his very own choices,this we may see in this window if one or two leave,which much as in a previous post i suggested would nit be in one or two players own interest,may actually suit Oscar ?? Far gull

10:00am Tue 7 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

Alfie T wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
Bridcutt's decision is key here, if he wants to go and his heart is no longer with us then cash in. But perhaps he's thinking that Poyet is a bit of a lose cannon and could just up and go any time. With OG you have a quiet unassuming but talented coach who is very quietly going about his business and is with us for the long term. We will be a Premiership club, I have no doubt, and I hope Liam, Will and AB will help us achieve that goal.
+1. Great post, thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]Bridcutt's decision is key here, if he wants to go and his heart is no longer with us then cash in. But perhaps he's thinking that Poyet is a bit of a lose cannon and could just up and go any time. With OG you have a quiet unassuming but talented coach who is very quietly going about his business and is with us for the long term. We will be a Premiership club, I have no doubt, and I hope Liam, Will and AB will help us achieve that goal.[/p][/quote]+1. Great post, thanks. Clean Sheet

10:02am Tue 7 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Far gull. I think you've hit the nail firmly on the head regarding Liam.

As a holding midfield player, Liam has won our player of the season award twice on the bounce. Why? Because he does the simple things well. He makes timely tackles, he reads the game superbly, is good in the air, protects the back 4 and basically clears everything up.

This season however and since his return from injury he has been played in a different role.... This role as Far Gull illudes is not where he is at his best... Liam looks a little lost playing a bit further up the park and is definitely not as effective playing there as he is when he plays in last seasons position.

It's a really tough call but for me and IMHO only, I'd sell Liam if the plan is to continue to play him up field.. I'm sure Liam would want this too as his stock would surely go down as he became less effective in his new role.
On the other side of the coin I think Liam is the best holding midfielder outside of the Premiership and so if we play him there, I would do all I could to keep him.. He is a class act in this role and I would see his stock continuing to rise.

It would be great to keep the squad together and have a real go in this second half of the season.
My one fear is that we won't get the best out of some by playing them in their best positions... Let's get this right and have a real chance of promotion.

Uta
Far gull. I think you've hit the nail firmly on the head regarding Liam. As a holding midfield player, Liam has won our player of the season award twice on the bounce. Why? Because he does the simple things well. He makes timely tackles, he reads the game superbly, is good in the air, protects the back 4 and basically clears everything up. This season however and since his return from injury he has been played in a different role.... This role as Far Gull illudes is not where he is at his best... Liam looks a little lost playing a bit further up the park and is definitely not as effective playing there as he is when he plays in last seasons position. It's a really tough call but for me and IMHO only, I'd sell Liam if the plan is to continue to play him up field.. I'm sure Liam would want this too as his stock would surely go down as he became less effective in his new role. On the other side of the coin I think Liam is the best holding midfielder outside of the Premiership and so if we play him there, I would do all I could to keep him.. He is a class act in this role and I would see his stock continuing to rise. It would be great to keep the squad together and have a real go in this second half of the season. My one fear is that we won't get the best out of some by playing them in their best positions... Let's get this right and have a real chance of promotion. Uta SMF20

10:19am Tue 7 Jan 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

If a player does not want to play for BHA, then I would rather them leave, I only want 100% committed players who wear the blue and white jersey with as much pride as I do, as far as I am concerned, Bridcutt can go, the £5 million very handy, and we may as well get rid of Buckley as never fit
If a player does not want to play for BHA, then I would rather them leave, I only want 100% committed players who wear the blue and white jersey with as much pride as I do, as far as I am concerned, Bridcutt can go, the £5 million very handy, and we may as well get rid of Buckley as never fit Uckfield Seagull

10:26am Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

A story in the Mail online this morning says Liam is close to signing funded by Connor Wickham going to Forest. The Mail are reporting a fee of £2.5million and some other media reporting the add-ons to be worth up to another £2.5million, making it £5million total, same fee as forest are reported to be paying for Wickham. Sounds like Gus is desperate to get Liam if that is all correct.
A story in the Mail online this morning says Liam is close to signing funded by Connor Wickham going to Forest. The Mail are reporting a fee of £2.5million and some other media reporting the add-ons to be worth up to another £2.5million, making it £5million total, same fee as forest are reported to be paying for Wickham. Sounds like Gus is desperate to get Liam if that is all correct. championshipgull

10:39am Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
Don’t Worry about Andy. Strait from CMS twitter the latest is

"I'm workin hard 2b back ASAP I'm doing some work with the youth team so Im gettin closer!! "

Looks like he is still on course for end Jan
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]Don’t Worry about Andy. Strait from CMS twitter the latest is "I'm workin hard 2b back ASAP I'm doing some work with the youth team so Im gettin closer!! " Looks like he is still on course for end Jan • championshipgull

10:43am Tue 7 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

championshipgull wrote:
A story in the Mail online this morning says Liam is close to signing funded by Connor Wickham going to Forest. The Mail are reporting a fee of £2.5million and some other media reporting the add-ons to be worth up to another £2.5million, making it £5million total, same fee as forest are reported to be paying for Wickham. Sounds like Gus is desperate to get Liam if that is all correct.
Yes same story in the paper itself.The way it is panning out it looks like we have seen the last of WB as GP will sign him I feel.Regarding the add-ons for Liam I assume one factor is number of appearances?
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: A story in the Mail online this morning says Liam is close to signing funded by Connor Wickham going to Forest. The Mail are reporting a fee of £2.5million and some other media reporting the add-ons to be worth up to another £2.5million, making it £5million total, same fee as forest are reported to be paying for Wickham. Sounds like Gus is desperate to get Liam if that is all correct.[/p][/quote]Yes same story in the paper itself.The way it is panning out it looks like we have seen the last of WB as GP will sign him I feel.Regarding the add-ons for Liam I assume one factor is number of appearances? SeagullOverSelsey

10:52am Tue 7 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

championshipgull wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
Don’t Worry about Andy. Strait from CMS twitter the latest is

"I'm workin hard 2b back ASAP I'm doing some work with the youth team so Im gettin closer!! "

Looks like he is still on course for end Jan
Thanks!
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]Don’t Worry about Andy. Strait from CMS twitter the latest is "I'm workin hard 2b back ASAP I'm doing some work with the youth team so Im gettin closer!! " Looks like he is still on course for end Jan •[/p][/quote]Thanks! AlanDuffy

10:54am Tue 7 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).
If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!). Gee Jay

11:17am Tue 7 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Gee Jay wrote:
If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).
I'll steer away from the political analogy and stick to the footie, but I agree with your point.
Billy Davies has a reputation for doing what he wants and throwing his toy's out the pram when he's told he can't. If you look at his history, it's always someone else's fault when it goes wrong.
If I was a Forest fan, I'd be wary of enjoying the current ride, lest it stops in the middle of a cesspit.
Bus as I'm a Brighton fan, I'm comfortable knowing that it might not be quite as much fun right now, but when we get to the cesspit, we'll be able to simply wave and drive on by...
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).[/p][/quote]I'll steer away from the political analogy and stick to the footie, but I agree with your point. Billy Davies has a reputation for doing what he wants and throwing his toy's out the pram when he's told he can't. If you look at his history, it's always someone else's fault when it goes wrong. If I was a Forest fan, I'd be wary of enjoying the current ride, lest it stops in the middle of a cesspit. Bus as I'm a Brighton fan, I'm comfortable knowing that it might not be quite as much fun right now, but when we get to the cesspit, we'll be able to simply wave and drive on by... Albion In Staffs

11:21am Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
A story in the Mail online this morning says Liam is close to signing funded by Connor Wickham going to Forest. The Mail are reporting a fee of £2.5million and some other media reporting the add-ons to be worth up to another £2.5million, making it £5million total, same fee as forest are reported to be paying for Wickham. Sounds like Gus is desperate to get Liam if that is all correct.
Yes same story in the paper itself.The way it is panning out it looks like we have seen the last of WB as GP will sign him I feel.Regarding the add-ons for Liam I assume one factor is number of appearances?
Reports are not saying what Add-ons are for but at £2.5million it must include each time he blows his nose.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: A story in the Mail online this morning says Liam is close to signing funded by Connor Wickham going to Forest. The Mail are reporting a fee of £2.5million and some other media reporting the add-ons to be worth up to another £2.5million, making it £5million total, same fee as forest are reported to be paying for Wickham. Sounds like Gus is desperate to get Liam if that is all correct.[/p][/quote]Yes same story in the paper itself.The way it is panning out it looks like we have seen the last of WB as GP will sign him I feel.Regarding the add-ons for Liam I assume one factor is number of appearances?[/p][/quote]Reports are not saying what Add-ons are for but at £2.5million it must include each time he blows his nose. championshipgull

11:23am Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
Don’t Worry about Andy. Strait from CMS twitter the latest is

"I'm workin hard 2b back ASAP I'm doing some work with the youth team so Im gettin closer!! "

Looks like he is still on course for end Jan
Thanks!
Your welcome. There have been a lot of questions re CMS recovery on here so if I see any more relevant tweets from him I will post them. Don’t think he will mind.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]Don’t Worry about Andy. Strait from CMS twitter the latest is "I'm workin hard 2b back ASAP I'm doing some work with the youth team so Im gettin closer!! " Looks like he is still on course for end Jan •[/p][/quote]Thanks![/p][/quote]Your welcome. There have been a lot of questions re CMS recovery on here so if I see any more relevant tweets from him I will post them. Don’t think he will mind. championshipgull

11:25am Tue 7 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Neville says...

Interesting that nearly all the top six clubs,except Ipswich are in process of strengthening.

They are in the process of buying players - that may or may not make them stronger.
Neville says... Interesting that nearly all the top six clubs,except Ipswich are in process of strengthening. They are in the process of buying players - that may or may not make them stronger. B rian Tawses left foot

11:26am Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

Gee Jay wrote:
If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).
It appears the Forest owner has a bottomless pit of Arab money. (Not Like Gordon that was our money)
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).[/p][/quote]It appears the Forest owner has a bottomless pit of Arab money. (Not Like Gordon that was our money) championshipgull

11:34am Tue 7 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

WestStander17 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?
I'd be interested to know how many of our squad you believe are of a quality to do well in the Premier League. You say Barnes isn't but how many are? Right now, I'd say 3 for sure with a group of players, including Barnes, a little behind that.

But, we're not in the Premier League yet and very few clubs will have many more than that before going up. If they did, they'd lose them in January anyway!
I'd say Tomas, Upson, Bridders, Ulloa Crofts and Orlandi could hold their own in the Premier, although a couple of them are getting on a bit ( sorry boys! ), maybe a couple of the youngsters ( Ince, Solly ) but need more experience first, otherwise we would need to strengthen in all areas.So much depends on the attitude and spirit at the club though - we've seen plenty of so-called top players not do it in the Premiership, because their attitude stinks. I think Oscar is developing a good squad with a positive attitude.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If promotion is our aim, then selling our best players will not help, either short-term in achieving that goal, or longer-term in staying there. With that in mind, I'd sell Buckley - at his best he could play at the top level, but has a history of injuries and is side-lined once again. Barnes is out of contract soon and stalling on signing a new one, at 1m bite their hands off, plenty of effort but misses too many chances and not premier quality. Keep hold of Bridcutt, and use the £3m from Buckers and Barnes to add a couple more. What news of CMS, Andy? We were told end of January, what's the latest?[/p][/quote]I'd be interested to know how many of our squad you believe are of a quality to do well in the Premier League. You say Barnes isn't but how many are? Right now, I'd say 3 for sure with a group of players, including Barnes, a little behind that. But, we're not in the Premier League yet and very few clubs will have many more than that before going up. If they did, they'd lose them in January anyway![/p][/quote]I'd say Tomas, Upson, Bridders, Ulloa Crofts and Orlandi could hold their own in the Premier, although a couple of them are getting on a bit ( sorry boys! ), maybe a couple of the youngsters ( Ince, Solly ) but need more experience first, otherwise we would need to strengthen in all areas.So much depends on the attitude and spirit at the club though - we've seen plenty of so-called top players not do it in the Premiership, because their attitude stinks. I think Oscar is developing a good squad with a positive attitude. AlanDuffy

11:39am Tue 7 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

It would be a shame to lose any player at the moment especially if the coaches want to keep the squad together. We fans support the Albion with our hearts and find it difficult to understand when a player goes. However all players must do what is right for their careers and families and we must let them go with our best wishes. I would like our players to stay but we must let TB and co. make the right decisions for our club and keep us moving forward in the right direction. After all we are not doing badly at the moment are we?
It would be a shame to lose any player at the moment especially if the coaches want to keep the squad together. We fans support the Albion with our hearts and find it difficult to understand when a player goes. However all players must do what is right for their careers and families and we must let them go with our best wishes. I would like our players to stay but we must let TB and co. make the right decisions for our club and keep us moving forward in the right direction. After all we are not doing badly at the moment are we? Joel'sGrandad

12:16pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

So Brighton have to wait and see if Sunderland can sell a player to Forest, a club one would assume will also have to think about how they will pay for their purchase, before we know if Bridcutt is leaving, iv'e got it.
2.5 million for Bridcutt plus add on's, which could make the total price 5 million, got that too.
What I don't get is why no other prem club has slapped an offer on the table for Bridders, especially as Poyet clearly considers Bridcutt as vital to his survival plans for Sunderland. 2.5 million now and, 'possibly,' another 2.5 at some point down the road, is not big money and there are a few teams in the lower realms of the prem, leaking goals.
Is Poyet the only manager in the prem that thinks Bridders can make the grade? Westham have some money to spend and they seem to have a problem but no offers from them. Fulham and Cardiff, both with a massive negative goal difference, but neither consider Bridcutt as a viable option. As I say, I don't get it.
So Brighton have to wait and see if Sunderland can sell a player to Forest, a club one would assume will also have to think about how they will pay for their purchase, before we know if Bridcutt is leaving, iv'e got it. 2.5 million for Bridcutt plus add on's, which could make the total price 5 million, got that too. What I don't get is why no other prem club has slapped an offer on the table for Bridders, especially as Poyet clearly considers Bridcutt as vital to his survival plans for Sunderland. 2.5 million now and, 'possibly,' another 2.5 at some point down the road, is not big money and there are a few teams in the lower realms of the prem, leaking goals. Is Poyet the only manager in the prem that thinks Bridders can make the grade? Westham have some money to spend and they seem to have a problem but no offers from them. Fulham and Cardiff, both with a massive negative goal difference, but neither consider Bridcutt as a viable option. As I say, I don't get it. VegasSeagull

12:57pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brightonup says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Gee Jay wrote:
If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).
I'll steer away from the political analogy and stick to the footie, but I agree with your point.
Billy Davies has a reputation for doing what he wants and throwing his toy's out the pram when he's told he can't. If you look at his history, it's always someone else's fault when it goes wrong.
If I was a Forest fan, I'd be wary of enjoying the current ride, lest it stops in the middle of a cesspit.
Bus as I'm a Brighton fan, I'm comfortable knowing that it might not be quite as much fun right now, but when we get to the cesspit, we'll be able to simply wave and drive on by...
Good points. Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: If that is true Championshipgull and Forest are forking out 5 million, then I think Billy Davies is doing a 'Gordon Brown' and sailing the club into a very dangerous overspent position given the FFP rules. But then again, he will probably be gone by the time the huge debts and fines have to be paid.(Just like Gordon!).[/p][/quote]I'll steer away from the political analogy and stick to the footie, but I agree with your point. Billy Davies has a reputation for doing what he wants and throwing his toy's out the pram when he's told he can't. If you look at his history, it's always someone else's fault when it goes wrong. If I was a Forest fan, I'd be wary of enjoying the current ride, lest it stops in the middle of a cesspit. Bus as I'm a Brighton fan, I'm comfortable knowing that it might not be quite as much fun right now, but when we get to the cesspit, we'll be able to simply wave and drive on by...[/p][/quote]Good points. Agreed. brightonup

1:02pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

I read with interest that Ashley Barnes is on his way to Burnley and we're lining up Cardiff's Joe Mason as his replacement. Conway must have put in a good word!

The merry-go-round is beginning to revolve!
I read with interest that Ashley Barnes is on his way to Burnley and we're lining up Cardiff's Joe Mason as his replacement. Conway must have put in a good word! The merry-go-round is beginning to revolve! Aye Aye

1:12pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Forest reportedly looking to spend 5 million on Wickham, they are also being connected with two other purchases, Wes Morgan and Hobbs, collectively possibly another 1.6 million, where is all the money coming from? Under the FFP rules I thought there were certain restrictions on owners pumping money into the clubs as loans, or what ever route they choose to use.
Forest reportedly looking to spend 5 million on Wickham, they are also being connected with two other purchases, Wes Morgan and Hobbs, collectively possibly another 1.6 million, where is all the money coming from? Under the FFP rules I thought there were certain restrictions on owners pumping money into the clubs as loans, or what ever route they choose to use. VegasSeagull

1:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts? VegasSeagull

2:08pm Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Forest reportedly looking to spend 5 million on Wickham, they are also being connected with two other purchases, Wes Morgan and Hobbs, collectively possibly another 1.6 million, where is all the money coming from? Under the FFP rules I thought there were certain restrictions on owners pumping money into the clubs as loans, or what ever route they choose to use.
Its almost like
Forest owner Fawaz Al Hasawi has got so much money he is going to buy a premier team now and when he gets promoted a fine and transfer embargo won’t matter to him.
If that is the case the only way to make FFP work is to have a points deduction.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Forest reportedly looking to spend 5 million on Wickham, they are also being connected with two other purchases, Wes Morgan and Hobbs, collectively possibly another 1.6 million, where is all the money coming from? Under the FFP rules I thought there were certain restrictions on owners pumping money into the clubs as loans, or what ever route they choose to use.[/p][/quote]Its almost like Forest owner Fawaz Al Hasawi has got so much money he is going to buy a premier team now and when he gets promoted a fine and transfer embargo won’t matter to him. If that is the case the only way to make FFP work is to have a points deduction. championshipgull

2:15pm Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday championshipgull

2:18pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

championshipgull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday
my thinking was, if other sales have to go thru before he can move, he might well still be with us come friday
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday[/p][/quote]my thinking was, if other sales have to go thru before he can move, he might well still be with us come friday VegasSeagull

2:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So Brighton have to wait and see if Sunderland can sell a player to Forest, a club one would assume will also have to think about how they will pay for their purchase, before we know if Bridcutt is leaving, iv'e got it.
2.5 million for Bridcutt plus add on's, which could make the total price 5 million, got that too.
What I don't get is why no other prem club has slapped an offer on the table for Bridders, especially as Poyet clearly considers Bridcutt as vital to his survival plans for Sunderland. 2.5 million now and, 'possibly,' another 2.5 at some point down the road, is not big money and there are a few teams in the lower realms of the prem, leaking goals.
Is Poyet the only manager in the prem that thinks Bridders can make the grade? Westham have some money to spend and they seem to have a problem but no offers from them. Fulham and Cardiff, both with a massive negative goal difference, but neither consider Bridcutt as a viable option. As I say, I don't get it.
How about this Vegas. Gus likes his teams to play a certain way and Bridcutt fills a vital position in that way of playing. Gus knows he can do that job for Sunderland and LB knows exactly what Gus wants of him. Therefore LB is worth a lot more to Gus than other PL managers?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So Brighton have to wait and see if Sunderland can sell a player to Forest, a club one would assume will also have to think about how they will pay for their purchase, before we know if Bridcutt is leaving, iv'e got it. 2.5 million for Bridcutt plus add on's, which could make the total price 5 million, got that too. What I don't get is why no other prem club has slapped an offer on the table for Bridders, especially as Poyet clearly considers Bridcutt as vital to his survival plans for Sunderland. 2.5 million now and, 'possibly,' another 2.5 at some point down the road, is not big money and there are a few teams in the lower realms of the prem, leaking goals. Is Poyet the only manager in the prem that thinks Bridders can make the grade? Westham have some money to spend and they seem to have a problem but no offers from them. Fulham and Cardiff, both with a massive negative goal difference, but neither consider Bridcutt as a viable option. As I say, I don't get it.[/p][/quote]How about this Vegas. Gus likes his teams to play a certain way and Bridcutt fills a vital position in that way of playing. Gus knows he can do that job for Sunderland and LB knows exactly what Gus wants of him. Therefore LB is worth a lot more to Gus than other PL managers? Chi Gull

2:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday
my thinking was, if other sales have to go thru before he can move, he might well still be with us come friday
Oh. And you could be right. All I can say is he didn’t look 100% himself last week.
What do you think of my theory re AL Hasawi
Is it as crazy as it sounds
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday[/p][/quote]my thinking was, if other sales have to go thru before he can move, he might well still be with us come friday[/p][/quote]Oh. And you could be right. All I can say is he didn’t look 100% himself last week. What do you think of my theory re AL Hasawi Is it as crazy as it sounds championshipgull

2:47pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Forest reportedly looking to spend 5 million on Wickham, they are also being connected with two other purchases, Wes Morgan and Hobbs, collectively possibly another 1.6 million, where is all the money coming from? Under the FFP rules I thought there were certain restrictions on owners pumping money into the clubs as loans, or what ever route they choose to use.
Yes, but the restrictions only kick in once a clubs accounts have been published. Clubs can do what they like now, and if they get promotion it might all work out OK, although it might need some clever accounting to balance the books. Where a club will really get hammered is if they spend big and don't get promoted and there is no PL income to offset their overspending. The other thing is wage bills. As fans we tend to only see the transfer dealings. We don't have such a clear view of players wages and the income coming into a club and whether that balances. FFP is complicated and it will be difficult for fans to understand whether their club is being overly cautious or taking huge gambles.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Forest reportedly looking to spend 5 million on Wickham, they are also being connected with two other purchases, Wes Morgan and Hobbs, collectively possibly another 1.6 million, where is all the money coming from? Under the FFP rules I thought there were certain restrictions on owners pumping money into the clubs as loans, or what ever route they choose to use.[/p][/quote]Yes, but the restrictions only kick in once a clubs accounts have been published. Clubs can do what they like now, and if they get promotion it might all work out OK, although it might need some clever accounting to balance the books. Where a club will really get hammered is if they spend big and don't get promoted and there is no PL income to offset their overspending. The other thing is wage bills. As fans we tend to only see the transfer dealings. We don't have such a clear view of players wages and the income coming into a club and whether that balances. FFP is complicated and it will be difficult for fans to understand whether their club is being overly cautious or taking huge gambles. Chi Gull

2:51pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
Vegas. I think I said in an earlier thread that it would be daft for managers to leave out every player that was the subject of speculation, and I think OG has said something similar. If LB is left out of the squad on Saturday I think it will tell us that a deal is very close to being sealed. If it is still very much up in the air I would still play him.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]Vegas. I think I said in an earlier thread that it would be daft for managers to leave out every player that was the subject of speculation, and I think OG has said something similar. If LB is left out of the squad on Saturday I think it will tell us that a deal is very close to being sealed. If it is still very much up in the air I would still play him. Chi Gull

5:04pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
So Brighton have to wait and see if Sunderland can sell a player to Forest, a club one would assume will also have to think about how they will pay for their purchase, before we know if Bridcutt is leaving, iv'e got it.
2.5 million for Bridcutt plus add on's, which could make the total price 5 million, got that too.
What I don't get is why no other prem club has slapped an offer on the table for Bridders, especially as Poyet clearly considers Bridcutt as vital to his survival plans for Sunderland. 2.5 million now and, 'possibly,' another 2.5 at some point down the road, is not big money and there are a few teams in the lower realms of the prem, leaking goals.
Is Poyet the only manager in the prem that thinks Bridders can make the grade? Westham have some money to spend and they seem to have a problem but no offers from them. Fulham and Cardiff, both with a massive negative goal difference, but neither consider Bridcutt as a viable option. As I say, I don't get it.
How about this Vegas. Gus likes his teams to play a certain way and Bridcutt fills a vital position in that way of playing. Gus knows he can do that job for Sunderland and LB knows exactly what Gus wants of him. Therefore LB is worth a lot more to Gus than other PL managers?
Yep I get your point, Bridders does have a head start on he others re Poyet's style of play but will he deliver? It is one thing to take on Champ Div marauders and something very different facing up to Man City or Chelsea types. I guess it could be true to say that Poyet wants Sunderland to play like most other good prem clubs, stroke the ball around and force an opening. I don't think it's, 'Poyet's style,' so much that it's, the prem style.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So Brighton have to wait and see if Sunderland can sell a player to Forest, a club one would assume will also have to think about how they will pay for their purchase, before we know if Bridcutt is leaving, iv'e got it. 2.5 million for Bridcutt plus add on's, which could make the total price 5 million, got that too. What I don't get is why no other prem club has slapped an offer on the table for Bridders, especially as Poyet clearly considers Bridcutt as vital to his survival plans for Sunderland. 2.5 million now and, 'possibly,' another 2.5 at some point down the road, is not big money and there are a few teams in the lower realms of the prem, leaking goals. Is Poyet the only manager in the prem that thinks Bridders can make the grade? Westham have some money to spend and they seem to have a problem but no offers from them. Fulham and Cardiff, both with a massive negative goal difference, but neither consider Bridcutt as a viable option. As I say, I don't get it.[/p][/quote]How about this Vegas. Gus likes his teams to play a certain way and Bridcutt fills a vital position in that way of playing. Gus knows he can do that job for Sunderland and LB knows exactly what Gus wants of him. Therefore LB is worth a lot more to Gus than other PL managers?[/p][/quote]Yep I get your point, Bridders does have a head start on he others re Poyet's style of play but will he deliver? It is one thing to take on Champ Div marauders and something very different facing up to Man City or Chelsea types. I guess it could be true to say that Poyet wants Sunderland to play like most other good prem clubs, stroke the ball around and force an opening. I don't think it's, 'Poyet's style,' so much that it's, the prem style. VegasSeagull

5:07pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

championshipgull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday
my thinking was, if other sales have to go thru before he can move, he might well still be with us come friday
Oh. And you could be right. All I can say is he didn’t look 100% himself last week.
What do you think of my theory re AL Hasawi
Is it as crazy as it sounds
No your theory would seem to hold water, the only problem is, it's been tried before and we have seen it fail, but I guess with his amount of money it's worth the gamble. I am actually fearful that the punishments won't be as tough as suggested, or not applied evenly. Good accountants can get round just about anything.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]I don’t think Liam is going to make it to Saturday. Could be a good question if he is still here Friday[/p][/quote]my thinking was, if other sales have to go thru before he can move, he might well still be with us come friday[/p][/quote]Oh. And you could be right. All I can say is he didn’t look 100% himself last week. What do you think of my theory re AL Hasawi Is it as crazy as it sounds[/p][/quote]No your theory would seem to hold water, the only problem is, it's been tried before and we have seen it fail, but I guess with his amount of money it's worth the gamble. I am actually fearful that the punishments won't be as tough as suggested, or not applied evenly. Good accountants can get round just about anything. VegasSeagull

5:13pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup?
If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all?
Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down?
Your thoughts?
Vegas. I think I said in an earlier thread that it would be daft for managers to leave out every player that was the subject of speculation, and I think OG has said something similar. If LB is left out of the squad on Saturday I think it will tell us that a deal is very close to being sealed. If it is still very much up in the air I would still play him.
Yes you are right, it would be crazy to leave out players that are subject to speculation but this deal seems less than speculation. If we have this deal in place Oscar might well be talking to others re buying this or that player, we can afford to lose Bridders, but maybe would not want to lose out on a particular signing.
To be honest, I will be glad when the Bridcutt issue is al done and dusted one way or the other, I have the same feelings toward the possible Barnes sale, get it done and lets push on.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought but, with this deal for Bridders being so close to completion, do we now leave him out of the starting lineup? If selected would Bridders be too wary of getting injured and thus not give his all? Would it better for the team, and club, if we were to stand him down? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]Vegas. I think I said in an earlier thread that it would be daft for managers to leave out every player that was the subject of speculation, and I think OG has said something similar. If LB is left out of the squad on Saturday I think it will tell us that a deal is very close to being sealed. If it is still very much up in the air I would still play him.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right, it would be crazy to leave out players that are subject to speculation but this deal seems less than speculation. If we have this deal in place Oscar might well be talking to others re buying this or that player, we can afford to lose Bridders, but maybe would not want to lose out on a particular signing. To be honest, I will be glad when the Bridcutt issue is al done and dusted one way or the other, I have the same feelings toward the possible Barnes sale, get it done and lets push on. VegasSeagull

6:00pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brightonup says...

More speculation.... Quote

'Jed Wallace to turn down Pompey's revised offer in favour of a move away from Fratton Park.

Brighton and Bournemouth both watching with interest.

Expect news on this to hit the press in the next 7 days'
More speculation.... Quote 'Jed Wallace to turn down Pompey's revised offer in favour of a move away from Fratton Park. Brighton and Bournemouth both watching with interest. Expect news on this to hit the press in the next 7 days' brightonup

6:08pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Vince says...

Nathan Jones says:- “We’re in a decent place. We’re relatively happy with where we are and sides we come up against know they are going to have to defend well against us, because anyone can see we are creating enough chances to win.”

If we keep waiting until 10 minutes from time before making attacking substitutions when we are drawing or losing - we are never going to improve our home record
Nathan Jones says:- “We’re in a decent place. We’re relatively happy with where we are and sides we come up against know they are going to have to defend well against us, because anyone can see we are creating enough chances to win.” If we keep waiting until 10 minutes from time before making attacking substitutions when we are drawing or losing - we are never going to improve our home record Vince

6:37pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Vince wrote:
Nathan Jones says:- “We’re in a decent place. We’re relatively happy with where we are and sides we come up against know they are going to have to defend well against us, because anyone can see we are creating enough chances to win.”

If we keep waiting until 10 minutes from time before making attacking substitutions when we are drawing or losing - we are never going to improve our home record
80 minutes of creating chances and 10 minutes of putting one away, yeah, not the best way to go about things.
You see the word, 'clinical,' used so often by managers when referring to missed chances when what they really mean is, 'get the shot on target.' Just too wide and just too high and then you add the, 'clinical,' word, that almost gives the player an out for not scoring. Say it how it is, 'you are not good enough in front of goal.' Create 15 or 16 chances and only score one is not good enough. A keeper and defenders can have a great day but not 14 or 15 times in all our matches. I would hope that we buy a striker in this window, even tho I hate this window, and if it means that we have to spend all the money we will get for Bridcutt, and not buy Conway, then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Nathan Jones says:- “We’re in a decent place. We’re relatively happy with where we are and sides we come up against know they are going to have to defend well against us, because anyone can see we are creating enough chances to win.” If we keep waiting until 10 minutes from time before making attacking substitutions when we are drawing or losing - we are never going to improve our home record[/p][/quote]80 minutes of creating chances and 10 minutes of putting one away, yeah, not the best way to go about things. You see the word, 'clinical,' used so often by managers when referring to missed chances when what they really mean is, 'get the shot on target.' Just too wide and just too high and then you add the, 'clinical,' word, that almost gives the player an out for not scoring. Say it how it is, 'you are not good enough in front of goal.' Create 15 or 16 chances and only score one is not good enough. A keeper and defenders can have a great day but not 14 or 15 times in all our matches. I would hope that we buy a striker in this window, even tho I hate this window, and if it means that we have to spend all the money we will get for Bridcutt, and not buy Conway, then so be it. VegasSeagull

7:41pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Vegas---Bridders was left out last Saturday and look now what he has done---slapped in a transfer request!! Done deal I would say
Vegas---Bridders was left out last Saturday and look now what he has done---slapped in a transfer request!! Done deal I would say mikeygit

7:45pm Tue 7 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---Bridders was left out last Saturday and look now what he has done---slapped in a transfer request!! Done deal I would say
I don't like it Mickey, my comments are on the new thread.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---Bridders was left out last Saturday and look now what he has done---slapped in a transfer request!! Done deal I would say[/p][/quote]I don't like it Mickey, my comments are on the new thread. VegasSeagull

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