Transfer window watch update: Barnes wanted by Leeds as well

Leeds manager Brian McDermott could scupper Burnley's bid to buy Albion striker Ashley Barnes

Leeds manager Brian McDermott could scupper Burnley's bid to buy Albion striker Ashley Barnes

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Albion striker Ashley Barnes is a transfer target for Leeds as well as Burnley, The Argus understands.

It is unclear whether the Yorkshire giants have also agreed a fee with the Seagulls for Barnes.

But manager Brian McDermott is a big admirer and their interest could hijack Burnley's hopes of landing him.

Leeds, a point and a place below Albion in the Championship table in eighth, have more financial power than their Lancastrian rivals for Barnes' signature.

They are on the brink of bringing in Jimmy Kebe from Crystal Palace and Cameron Stewart from Hull in the aftermath of last weekend's FA cup exit at Rochdale, described by McDermott as the worst moment of his career.

Albion and Leicester were reportedly among several other Championship clubs interested in winger Stewart, who played against the Seagulls near the end of a loan stint with Charlton at The Valley on Boxing Day.

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10:56am Thu 9 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

I'll take a straight swap with McCormack coming our way...

I can't remember any window ever being as lively as this one is shaping up to be.
It's very exciting and freshens things up as long as those coming in are better than those going out.

Uta
I'll take a straight swap with McCormack coming our way... I can't remember any window ever being as lively as this one is shaping up to be. It's very exciting and freshens things up as long as those coming in are better than those going out. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 9

10:57am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)
All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

11:01am Thu 9 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)
Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price.
There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract.

If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 1

11:09am Thu 9 Jan 14

farside says...

SMF20 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)
Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price.
There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract.

If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge.

Uta
There are no gentlemen in football. If Leeds offer more we would not sell to Burnley. All we have done so far (reportedly) is give Burnley permission to talk to the player.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta[/p][/quote]There are no gentlemen in football. If Leeds offer more we would not sell to Burnley. All we have done so far (reportedly) is give Burnley permission to talk to the player. farside
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

SMF20 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)
Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price.
There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract.

If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge.

Uta
Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think £750k is not bad for a player who is out of contract in a few months. I hope he does well for whichever teams gets his signature - they'll be buying a worker.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta[/p][/quote]Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think £750k is not bad for a player who is out of contract in a few months. I hope he does well for whichever teams gets his signature - they'll be buying a worker. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

11:09am Thu 9 Jan 14

Grendel says...

You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.
You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go. Grendel
  • Score: 16

11:15am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Grendel wrote:
You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.
Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.[/p][/quote]Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

11:23am Thu 9 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start.
I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary????
You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.
Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start. I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary???? You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach. Claude Back
  • Score: 5

11:25am Thu 9 Jan 14

saraman says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)
Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta
Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think £750k is not bad for a player who is out of contract in a few months. I hope he does well for whichever teams gets his signature - they'll be buying a worker.
I had a sheep dog that was a good worker, but he couldn't score goals.

Let's take the dosh from whoever and run.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta[/p][/quote]Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think £750k is not bad for a player who is out of contract in a few months. I hope he does well for whichever teams gets his signature - they'll be buying a worker.[/p][/quote]I had a sheep dog that was a good worker, but he couldn't score goals. Let's take the dosh from whoever and run. saraman
  • Score: 0

11:31am Thu 9 Jan 14

Grendel says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Grendel wrote:
You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.
Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.
You don't need to explain it to me. I thought it was pretty clear I'm an admirer.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.[/p][/quote]Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.[/p][/quote]You don't need to explain it to me. I thought it was pretty clear I'm an admirer. Grendel
  • Score: 2

11:31am Thu 9 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

Maybe some of us Albion fans let the 'petulant side' of Ash's game cloud our opinion. He is now a good box to box hardworking centre forward who can draw the foul from opposition defendes with his back to goal. That said, his goal touch has not been the greatest in the last two seasons, if you take out any penalty goals.
I will still be sorry to see him go, and if the terms are right, Leeds has to be the club to choose over Burnley.
From an Albion point of view, if contract talks are stalling and Ash is nearing the end of his contract they need to cash in on a transfer fee while they can.
Maybe some of us Albion fans let the 'petulant side' of Ash's game cloud our opinion. He is now a good box to box hardworking centre forward who can draw the foul from opposition defendes with his back to goal. That said, his goal touch has not been the greatest in the last two seasons, if you take out any penalty goals. I will still be sorry to see him go, and if the terms are right, Leeds has to be the club to choose over Burnley. From an Albion point of view, if contract talks are stalling and Ash is nearing the end of his contract they need to cash in on a transfer fee while they can. Gee Jay
  • Score: 0

11:33am Thu 9 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

saraman wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)
Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta
Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think £750k is not bad for a player who is out of contract in a few months. I hope he does well for whichever teams gets his signature - they'll be buying a worker.
I had a sheep dog that was a good worker, but he couldn't score goals.

Let's take the dosh from whoever and run.
Brilliant!
Made me really laugh.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: All they have to do is offer £1m and they can have him instead :-)[/p][/quote]Sadly I don't think it works like that... Now we've accepted (supposedly) 750k for him, I think that's the asking price. There will be a bidding war but it will be one that benefits only Ash as he can play the 2 off against one another to secure the best possible contract. If I'm totally wrong here, I'm happy to bow to someone's superior knowledge. Uta[/p][/quote]Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think £750k is not bad for a player who is out of contract in a few months. I hope he does well for whichever teams gets his signature - they'll be buying a worker.[/p][/quote]I had a sheep dog that was a good worker, but he couldn't score goals. Let's take the dosh from whoever and run.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! Made me really laugh. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

11:36am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start.
I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary????
You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.
The two striker formation is worth doing when losing because it is a gamble - it increases the chances of goals at BOTH ends, but when you're losing it's a gamble worth taking.

Cannot understand why people are obsessed with two strikers. It's not like we play an inflexible formation anyway, but 4-4-2 is NOT a panacea!

You gain a goal scorer but lose one of the players tasked with getting them the ball. If the opposition are playing 5 in midfield you're outnumbered. Tim Sherwood played his much awaited 4-4-2 the other day against Arsenal and had to change it quick smart because it wasn't working.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start. I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary???? You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.[/p][/quote]The two striker formation is worth doing when losing because it is a gamble - it increases the chances of goals at BOTH ends, but when you're losing it's a gamble worth taking. Cannot understand why people are obsessed with two strikers. It's not like we play an inflexible formation anyway, but 4-4-2 is NOT a panacea! You gain a goal scorer but lose one of the players tasked with getting them the ball. If the opposition are playing 5 in midfield you're outnumbered. Tim Sherwood played his much awaited 4-4-2 the other day against Arsenal and had to change it quick smart because it wasn't working. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

11:38am Thu 9 Jan 14

saraman says...

I suppose the next report will be that Sunderland have made a bid for Barnes and Poyet will say ''It's got nothing to do with me''

If Barnes is going one way or another, a bidding war can only be good for The Albion.
I suppose the next report will be that Sunderland have made a bid for Barnes and Poyet will say ''It's got nothing to do with me'' If Barnes is going one way or another, a bidding war can only be good for The Albion. saraman
  • Score: 3

11:45am Thu 9 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

With only 6 months of his contract to run, £750K for Barnes sounds like a good bit of business to me.
With only 6 months of his contract to run, £750K for Barnes sounds like a good bit of business to me. Aye Aye
  • Score: 9

11:57am Thu 9 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start.
I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary????
You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.
The two striker formation is worth doing when losing because it is a gamble - it increases the chances of goals at BOTH ends, but when you're losing it's a gamble worth taking.

Cannot understand why people are obsessed with two strikers. It's not like we play an inflexible formation anyway, but 4-4-2 is NOT a panacea!

You gain a goal scorer but lose one of the players tasked with getting them the ball. If the opposition are playing 5 in midfield you're outnumbered. Tim Sherwood played his much awaited 4-4-2 the other day against Arsenal and had to change it quick smart because it wasn't working.
I very rarely reply to a comment to one of my posts but I would like to explain my thinking. Yes T.S. had to change his formation and I saw that coming at the time, but Arsenal are one of the few teams who can really make a five man midfield work; like Man City too and Barcelona a year or two ago. No point in getting control in midfield if there are limited options to pass it to which has been a problem for us and quite a few other teams.
The reason a lot of people like two up front is because it usually provides a more dynamic game. Watch DVDs of Albion games years ago (if you are not old enough to remember). the passing was quicker and slicker than now and , frankly, more exciting in my and others' opinion.
To each his own etc.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start. I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary???? You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.[/p][/quote]The two striker formation is worth doing when losing because it is a gamble - it increases the chances of goals at BOTH ends, but when you're losing it's a gamble worth taking. Cannot understand why people are obsessed with two strikers. It's not like we play an inflexible formation anyway, but 4-4-2 is NOT a panacea! You gain a goal scorer but lose one of the players tasked with getting them the ball. If the opposition are playing 5 in midfield you're outnumbered. Tim Sherwood played his much awaited 4-4-2 the other day against Arsenal and had to change it quick smart because it wasn't working.[/p][/quote]I very rarely reply to a comment to one of my posts but I would like to explain my thinking. Yes T.S. had to change his formation and I saw that coming at the time, but Arsenal are one of the few teams who can really make a five man midfield work; like Man City too and Barcelona a year or two ago. No point in getting control in midfield if there are limited options to pass it to which has been a problem for us and quite a few other teams. The reason a lot of people like two up front is because it usually provides a more dynamic game. Watch DVDs of Albion games years ago (if you are not old enough to remember). the passing was quicker and slicker than now and , frankly, more exciting in my and others' opinion. To each his own etc. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

It may indeed be a more dynamic game, but you don't get points for dynamism, you get them for scoring more than you concede. The Albion still create scoring opportunities with one up front.

There is a reason most overseas managers like the system, and that is that it has proven to be more successful. 4-4-2 replaced 2-3-5 and in turn 4-4-2's time has come and gone.
It may indeed be a more dynamic game, but you don't get points for dynamism, you get them for scoring more than you concede. The Albion still create scoring opportunities with one up front. There is a reason most overseas managers like the system, and that is that it has proven to be more successful. 4-4-2 replaced 2-3-5 and in turn 4-4-2's time has come and gone. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

12:06pm Thu 9 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

SMF20--´dont think it works like that´--I do not know but I guess it is a bit like selling your house, you may accept in principle a figure but if someone else comes along with a higher price---until anything is signed you would be a fool not to accept it--as said it depends on the terms fro club and player. In any event things are hotting up and it could turn out to be a good window for Albion. By the end of January we will all know!!
SMF20--´dont think it works like that´--I do not know but I guess it is a bit like selling your house, you may accept in principle a figure but if someone else comes along with a higher price---until anything is signed you would be a fool not to accept it--as said it depends on the terms fro club and player. In any event things are hotting up and it could turn out to be a good window for Albion. By the end of January we will all know!! mikeygit
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It may indeed be a more dynamic game, but you don't get points for dynamism, you get them for scoring more than you concede. The Albion still create scoring opportunities with one up front.

There is a reason most overseas managers like the system, and that is that it has proven to be more successful. 4-4-2 replaced 2-3-5 and in turn 4-4-2's time has come and gone.
Maybe but that doesn't mean it's an improvement and more goals will always be scored with 4-4-2. Fashion is a fickle paymaster.
Sorry. I don't agree. However, as I said before, to each his own. I respect your preference but it's not one I share for this league and with these players.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It may indeed be a more dynamic game, but you don't get points for dynamism, you get them for scoring more than you concede. The Albion still create scoring opportunities with one up front. There is a reason most overseas managers like the system, and that is that it has proven to be more successful. 4-4-2 replaced 2-3-5 and in turn 4-4-2's time has come and gone.[/p][/quote]Maybe but that doesn't mean it's an improvement and more goals will always be scored with 4-4-2. Fashion is a fickle paymaster. Sorry. I don't agree. However, as I said before, to each his own. I respect your preference but it's not one I share for this league and with these players. Claude Back
  • Score: 3

12:25pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Grendel wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Grendel wrote:
You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.
Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.
You don't need to explain it to me. I thought it was pretty clear I'm an admirer.
I wasn't explaining it to you, I was replying to you. I thought it was pretty clear I was in agreement.
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.[/p][/quote]Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.[/p][/quote]You don't need to explain it to me. I thought it was pretty clear I'm an admirer.[/p][/quote]I wasn't explaining it to you, I was replying to you. I thought it was pretty clear I was in agreement. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Thu 9 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Grendel wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Grendel wrote:
You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.
Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.
You don't need to explain it to me. I thought it was pretty clear I'm an admirer.
I wasn't explaining it to you, I was replying to you. I thought it was pretty clear I was in agreement.
Don't you just love interpretation of the written word :)
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: You have to wonder why a player regarded as rubbish by many Albion fans is so highly regarded by other clubs. Maybe the haters have driven Ash away which is a great shame. Pragmatically we should sell him now if he doesn't want to sign a new contract with us, but I for one will be sorry to see him go.[/p][/quote]Because these clubs understand there is more to Ash's game than scoring goals. It's the same reason the Emile Heskey was vilified yet still got picked by every England manager.[/p][/quote]You don't need to explain it to me. I thought it was pretty clear I'm an admirer.[/p][/quote]I wasn't explaining it to you, I was replying to you. I thought it was pretty clear I was in agreement.[/p][/quote]Don't you just love interpretation of the written word :) SMF20
  • Score: 2

12:30pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

Is nobody at the Amex doing anything to stop this "Brawn Drain"? Once again some of the best are at risk of being lost to The Seagulls, just when they are needed most.
Is nobody at the Amex doing anything to stop this "Brawn Drain"? Once again some of the best are at risk of being lost to The Seagulls, just when they are needed most. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Albion23 says...

Claude Back wrote:
Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start.
I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary????
You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.
You make perfect sense (imho). Something ive always put forward & still don't understand the so called logic behind it. Personally I think Digger will go to Leeds, They have more money clout & will probably get a better offer. Hope Albion get the market right.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start. I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary???? You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.[/p][/quote]You make perfect sense (imho). Something ive always put forward & still don't understand the so called logic behind it. Personally I think Digger will go to Leeds, They have more money clout & will probably get a better offer. Hope Albion get the market right. Albion23
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12:35pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Albion23 says...

Claude Back wrote:
Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start.
I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary????
You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.
You make perfect sense (imho). Something ive always put forward & still don't understand the so called logic behind it. Personally I think Digger will go to Leeds, They have more money clout & will probably get a better offer. Hope Albion get the market right.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Won't make any difference how many strikers we sign; OG will only play one at the start. I hope I am wrong but like most continental managers O.G. is obsessed with only playing one striker which will be Ulloa and won't bring Obika on unless we are losing. That sort of ridiculous logic always astounds me with footballers. If the two striker formation is good enough to get goals when behind, why not start getting goals from the beginning and then ease off as necessary???? You need really gifted attacking mid-fielders to only play one up front and not many teams have that luxury or can afford them. That's why most English teams trying to play that way look ponderously slow in their approach.[/p][/quote]You make perfect sense (imho). Something ive always put forward & still don't understand the so called logic behind it. Personally I think Digger will go to Leeds, They have more money clout & will probably get a better offer. Hope Albion get the market right. Albion23
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Eddy B says...

Always get a bit cynical when i hear the description "a good worker",,, agree with the sheep dog comment, it's a poor substitute for genuine skill. I think a move for Barnes to Leeds or Barnsley would be good for both him and BHAFC.
Always get a bit cynical when i hear the description "a good worker",,, agree with the sheep dog comment, it's a poor substitute for genuine skill. I think a move for Barnes to Leeds or Barnsley would be good for both him and BHAFC. Eddy B
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1:33pm Thu 9 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Every Championship division club that does well will have to fend off offers for their best players. Consistent performers over a couple of seasons will be sought after, it's the price you pay for success at our level. No big offers for Ulloa in this window, but if he continues to score goals now he is back from injury, see what transpires come the summer.
You have to have something special about your game to make the step up, Barnes doesn't have it, Conway doesn't have it either, Man United thought Zaha had it but it appears not, well not right now. If our club had four or five players of the quality of Bridcutt we would be well blessed, but we don't, in truth we might have one other, Ulloa, but the prem jury is still out on him.

The old saying, 'be careful what you wish for as you just might get it,' applies well to our club. We as fans all want us to have great players, those that can propel us to the prem div, problem is once you get them, others want them and the right money will get them. The prem clubs will always cherry pick the best from our division, that's why it's the hardest division to get promoted from.
Every Championship division club that does well will have to fend off offers for their best players. Consistent performers over a couple of seasons will be sought after, it's the price you pay for success at our level. No big offers for Ulloa in this window, but if he continues to score goals now he is back from injury, see what transpires come the summer. You have to have something special about your game to make the step up, Barnes doesn't have it, Conway doesn't have it either, Man United thought Zaha had it but it appears not, well not right now. If our club had four or five players of the quality of Bridcutt we would be well blessed, but we don't, in truth we might have one other, Ulloa, but the prem jury is still out on him. The old saying, 'be careful what you wish for as you just might get it,' applies well to our club. We as fans all want us to have great players, those that can propel us to the prem div, problem is once you get them, others want them and the right money will get them. The prem clubs will always cherry pick the best from our division, that's why it's the hardest division to get promoted from. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I'm not surprised other clubs are now showing interest in Ashley because he is a good player and has done a good job for us. The contract situation is pushing this along and if Ashley feels the Albion fans don't appreciate him then I don't blame him for looking elsewhere.
I still hope he stays with us and those in charge find it within themselves to convince him of his value to the Albion.
Whatever club he plays for will have a player who does a first class job and does it for the team and the fans. He needs to commit himself to the Albion and sign that contract now because we don't want another situation where we lose him for nothing.
Stay, Ash, believe me you won't regret it. And neither will the fans.UTA
I'm not surprised other clubs are now showing interest in Ashley because he is a good player and has done a good job for us. The contract situation is pushing this along and if Ashley feels the Albion fans don't appreciate him then I don't blame him for looking elsewhere. I still hope he stays with us and those in charge find it within themselves to convince him of his value to the Albion. Whatever club he plays for will have a player who does a first class job and does it for the team and the fans. He needs to commit himself to the Albion and sign that contract now because we don't want another situation where we lose him for nothing. Stay, Ash, believe me you won't regret it. And neither will the fans.UTA Joel'sGrandad
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2:23pm Thu 9 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

For my comments, see Ex-pat Arnie's comments. Agree with everything he has said! Well done, Arnie, keep up the good work!

I had constant arguments with mates over Heskey playing for England. Fact is, playing the fairly direct way England's lack technical ability required, he was one of England's most effective player for years! Yes, he didn't score many but the number of goals he set up for Owen and others was ridiculous. Where did our goal come from on Saturday? Barnes knock down.

Good luck, Ash, wherever you go. Greer, Upson and El Abd won't be looking forward to playing against you!
For my comments, see Ex-pat Arnie's comments. Agree with everything he has said! Well done, Arnie, keep up the good work! I had constant arguments with mates over Heskey playing for England. Fact is, playing the fairly direct way England's lack technical ability required, he was one of England's most effective player for years! Yes, he didn't score many but the number of goals he set up for Owen and others was ridiculous. Where did our goal come from on Saturday? Barnes knock down. Good luck, Ash, wherever you go. Greer, Upson and El Abd won't be looking forward to playing against you! WestStander17
  • Score: -1

5:13pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
SMF20--´dont think it works like that´--I do not know but I guess it is a bit like selling your house, you may accept in principle a figure but if someone else comes along with a higher price---until anything is signed you would be a fool not to accept it--as said it depends on the terms fro club and player. In any event things are hotting up and it could turn out to be a good window for Albion. By the end of January we will all know!!
When we got CMS, ours was not the biggest offer on the table, either to Peterborough or to CMS himself. The player preferred to come here and we had offered enough for Peterborough to accept.
If Barnes has been allowed to talk to Burnley and prefers them to Leeds, he will go to Burnley. I am still hoping that we can do a deal for him to stay that suits him, once he has spoken to Leeds and Burnley, maybe our offer will look decent, all up to Barnes.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: SMF20--´dont think it works like that´--I do not know but I guess it is a bit like selling your house, you may accept in principle a figure but if someone else comes along with a higher price---until anything is signed you would be a fool not to accept it--as said it depends on the terms fro club and player. In any event things are hotting up and it could turn out to be a good window for Albion. By the end of January we will all know!![/p][/quote]When we got CMS, ours was not the biggest offer on the table, either to Peterborough or to CMS himself. The player preferred to come here and we had offered enough for Peterborough to accept. If Barnes has been allowed to talk to Burnley and prefers them to Leeds, he will go to Burnley. I am still hoping that we can do a deal for him to stay that suits him, once he has spoken to Leeds and Burnley, maybe our offer will look decent, all up to Barnes. Baldseagull
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