Crofts ruled out for season

The Argus: Andrew Crofts receives treatment yesterday Andrew Crofts receives treatment yesterday

Albion star Andrew Crofts has been told his season is over.

An MRI scan revealed he ruptured his cruciate ligament in yesterday's 1-0 win over Birmingham City.

He will undergo surgery this week and is expected to be sidelined for six months.

Crofts went down in agony during the second half, having earlier played a part in the goal by David Lopez which propelled Albion into the play-off places for the first time this season.

The Welsh international had been producing arguably his best ever run of form for the club and his absence is potentially a massive blow.

Head coach Oscar Garcia said: "I am very sorry for Crofty.

“He has been excellent this season and a key player. He wanted to play a big part in our season after missing so much of the last campaign through injury.

"Of course, he has already done that, with his performances and the key goals he has scored, and he will be a big loss - but we have a good squad with strength in depth to deal with this type of situation.”

Crofts will now target a return to full fitness in time for pre-season in July.

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11:40am Sun 12 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Devastating news for Croftie. Football can be cruel sometimes.
Get yourself fit for the PL next season. UTA
Devastating news for Croftie. Football can be cruel sometimes. Get yourself fit for the PL next season. UTA Joel'sGrandad

11:53am Sun 12 Jan 14

golddene says...

Sorry to hear the confirmation of the news that we all feared. Lets hope that the surgery is successful and Crofty is back in full health and fitness for 2014/2015. Sad day for Andrew and us, just unbelievable the luck we are having with serious injuries this season. We need everyone in the squad to step up their game now so that we reach the target that Crofty has worked tirelessly to achieve, he deserves another crack at the big time. Keeping everything crossed that he makes a complete recovery, had a great game yesterday to match his very best form that he has shown all season.
A very sad day.
Sorry to hear the confirmation of the news that we all feared. Lets hope that the surgery is successful and Crofty is back in full health and fitness for 2014/2015. Sad day for Andrew and us, just unbelievable the luck we are having with serious injuries this season. We need everyone in the squad to step up their game now so that we reach the target that Crofty has worked tirelessly to achieve, he deserves another crack at the big time. Keeping everything crossed that he makes a complete recovery, had a great game yesterday to match his very best form that he has shown all season. A very sad day. golddene

11:55am Sun 12 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

Very sad news. I think we should try to get someone in if we can, even if Bridcutt stays. When you consider 3 central midfielders start every game, you need that depth.
Very sad news. I think we should try to get someone in if we can, even if Bridcutt stays. When you consider 3 central midfielders start every game, you need that depth. ColinPep1

11:57am Sun 12 Jan 14

twonk says...

How can this be breaking news when the club announce it yesterday?
How can this be breaking news when the club announce it yesterday? twonk

11:59am Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Terrible news! I thought it was the same as Hoskins when he went down,
Club now need to step up and bring in two, we have the biggest gates and charge the most ... So if we are serious about promotion , then it's time to spend , we should keep bridcutt unless we get decent money for him,
Terrible news! I thought it was the same as Hoskins when he went down, Club now need to step up and bring in two, we have the biggest gates and charge the most ... So if we are serious about promotion , then it's time to spend , we should keep bridcutt unless we get decent money for him, mark by the sea

12:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Towner83 says...

Absolutely gutted for crofty! Must admit I wasn't his biggest fan but his performances this season have definitely won me over. We're really miss his energy and his forward runs. Massive chance for JFC & we've really got to hold out for top dollar for Bridders
Absolutely gutted for crofty! Must admit I wasn't his biggest fan but his performances this season have definitely won me over. We're really miss his energy and his forward runs. Massive chance for JFC & we've really got to hold out for top dollar for Bridders Towner83

12:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

Walcott and now Crofty. Bad injury this.
Walcott and now Crofty. Bad injury this. sussexram40

12:20pm Sun 12 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

Shocking!
It isn't just his goals and assists that we may miss - it's his influence on play generally and his professionalism!
Shocking! It isn't just his goals and assists that we may miss - it's his influence on play generally and his professionalism! and another thing....

12:20pm Sun 12 Jan 14

saraman says...

I'm gutted. Enough said.
I'm gutted. Enough said. saraman

12:21pm Sun 12 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

.... all the very best to him for a complete recovery in July.
.... all the very best to him for a complete recovery in July. and another thing....

12:40pm Sun 12 Jan 14

graham w says...

The worst news possible, we albion fans wish a speedy recovery to you andrew ,you have been immence this season.. so get well son,the shame of it is you have just playing some of the best football since you came back... UTA..
The worst news possible, we albion fans wish a speedy recovery to you andrew ,you have been immence this season.. so get well son,the shame of it is you have just playing some of the best football since you came back... UTA.. graham w

12:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Two things now , we have collected after deductions 600k for Barnes,
We don't have any like for like player to replace crofts.
I don't want this season being washed out as the unlucky one!,
Checking again we are top in the attendance league for championship, and with exception of Leeds probably the most expensive team to watch outside the top 12 in England , obviously players like Andrews kemy and ward have cost us in wages and movement costs .. But we lost Vicente and a few more end of season, we have not spent in my opinion since ulloa came 12 months ago.
Some will come on and spout fair play rules, and I except we need to ensure we don't spend what we don't have! And if there is a plan to wait for neatly half the league to be punished , and then use what money we have built for buying, I think that's not a bad idea, next season the clubs punished will not pay silly wages or even afford transfer fees.. We may pick up a bargain or two... However this season is here and now! And it's time for two or three loans. Keep powder dry for next season.
Two things now , we have collected after deductions 600k for Barnes, We don't have any like for like player to replace crofts. I don't want this season being washed out as the unlucky one!, Checking again we are top in the attendance league for championship, and with exception of Leeds probably the most expensive team to watch outside the top 12 in England , obviously players like Andrews kemy and ward have cost us in wages and movement costs .. But we lost Vicente and a few more end of season, we have not spent in my opinion since ulloa came 12 months ago. Some will come on and spout fair play rules, and I except we need to ensure we don't spend what we don't have! And if there is a plan to wait for neatly half the league to be punished , and then use what money we have built for buying, I think that's not a bad idea, next season the clubs punished will not pay silly wages or even afford transfer fees.. We may pick up a bargain or two... However this season is here and now! And it's time for two or three loans. Keep powder dry for next season. mark by the sea

12:52pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Bad screws. I hope they can fix the problem for Crofty. I'm sure the club will do everything possible to cover the position and ensue there's cover.
Bad screws. I hope they can fix the problem for Crofty. I'm sure the club will do everything possible to cover the position and ensue there's cover. Willie, Willie Irvine

12:54pm Sun 12 Jan 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

Crofty was up for Player of the Season in my book, if anyone has benefited from the arrival of Oscar & Nathan it was him, compared to the player he was last season when Hammond was being picked in preference he has been a revelation. UTA!
Crofty was up for Player of the Season in my book, if anyone has benefited from the arrival of Oscar & Nathan it was him, compared to the player he was last season when Hammond was being picked in preference he has been a revelation. UTA! blue-eyed-boy

1:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Gutted for him he was having a great season, would be nice if bridcutt shows his respect and cancels his request just until end of season, need our best committed to the cause!!!

Crofty wish you a speedy recovery UTA
Gutted for him he was having a great season, would be nice if bridcutt shows his respect and cancels his request just until end of season, need our best committed to the cause!!! Crofty wish you a speedy recovery UTA Tonyuk175

1:02pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Two things now , we have collected after deductions 600k for Barnes, We don't have any like for like player to replace crofts. I don't want this season being washed out as the unlucky one!, Checking again we are top in the attendance league for championship, and with exception of Leeds probably the most expensive team to watch outside the top 12 in England , obviously players like Andrews kemy and ward have cost us in wages and movement costs .. But we lost Vicente and a few more end of season, we have not spent in my opinion since ulloa came 12 months ago. Some will come on and spout fair play rules, and I except we need to ensure we don't spend what we don't have! And if there is a plan to wait for neatly half the league to be punished , and then use what money we have built for buying, I think that's not a bad idea, next season the clubs punished will not pay silly wages or even afford transfer fees.. We may pick up a bargain or two... However this season is here and now! And it's time for two or three loans. Keep powder dry for next season.
Agreed Mark, but we do need a play off finish to this season to keep the season tickets renewed for 2014/15.
We appear to be creeping quietly towards where we finished last season, without drawing too much attention to ouselves, which is how, I have a feeling, Oscar wants it to be.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Two things now , we have collected after deductions 600k for Barnes, We don't have any like for like player to replace crofts. I don't want this season being washed out as the unlucky one!, Checking again we are top in the attendance league for championship, and with exception of Leeds probably the most expensive team to watch outside the top 12 in England , obviously players like Andrews kemy and ward have cost us in wages and movement costs .. But we lost Vicente and a few more end of season, we have not spent in my opinion since ulloa came 12 months ago. Some will come on and spout fair play rules, and I except we need to ensure we don't spend what we don't have! And if there is a plan to wait for neatly half the league to be punished , and then use what money we have built for buying, I think that's not a bad idea, next season the clubs punished will not pay silly wages or even afford transfer fees.. We may pick up a bargain or two... However this season is here and now! And it's time for two or three loans. Keep powder dry for next season.[/p][/quote]Agreed Mark, but we do need a play off finish to this season to keep the season tickets renewed for 2014/15. We appear to be creeping quietly towards where we finished last season, without drawing too much attention to ouselves, which is how, I have a feeling, Oscar wants it to be. Gee Jay

1:04pm Sun 12 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Gutted . So sorry for the guy ,as said above ,this has been his best form for The Albion ,he knows were all rooting for a complete recovery in the quickest time ,even if that is our first PL game of the new season ,as superbly said above by Joel`s Grandad. UTA
Gutted . So sorry for the guy ,as said above ,this has been his best form for The Albion ,he knows were all rooting for a complete recovery in the quickest time ,even if that is our first PL game of the new season ,as superbly said above by Joel`s Grandad. UTA tug509

1:09pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

Bad luck for Crofty, as many on here have said, he was back to his best. These are terrible injuries to have, and we wish him well, and hope that he is O.K. for pre-season.
The team will miss his particular skills, however, a chance is now there to someone to step up and take their opportunity.
Bad luck for Crofty, as many on here have said, he was back to his best. These are terrible injuries to have, and we wish him well, and hope that he is O.K. for pre-season. The team will miss his particular skills, however, a chance is now there to someone to step up and take their opportunity. Gee Jay

1:14pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Gee Jay wrote:
Bad luck for Crofty, as many on here have said, he was back to his best. These are terrible injuries to have, and we wish him well, and hope that he is O.K. for pre-season.
The team will miss his particular skills, however, a chance is now there to someone to step up and take their opportunity.
If you look back 12 months ago, our midfield was made up from Buckley Barnes bridcutt. Crofts and Hammond .. For best part of season, we now look likely to only have Buckley .. However with these dark evenings still with us, I fear for him tripping over ,.. Same for lua lua and obika .. Only consistant thing is they can't be relied on to be fit!
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: Bad luck for Crofty, as many on here have said, he was back to his best. These are terrible injuries to have, and we wish him well, and hope that he is O.K. for pre-season. The team will miss his particular skills, however, a chance is now there to someone to step up and take their opportunity.[/p][/quote]If you look back 12 months ago, our midfield was made up from Buckley Barnes bridcutt. Crofts and Hammond .. For best part of season, we now look likely to only have Buckley .. However with these dark evenings still with us, I fear for him tripping over ,.. Same for lua lua and obika .. Only consistant thing is they can't be relied on to be fit! mark by the sea

1:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

i luv my dog says...

hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.
hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather. i luv my dog

1:47pm Sun 12 Jan 14

rolivan says...

You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing rolivan

1:57pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active.. mark by the sea

2:38pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
Mark we wanted Van Dijk, 'he,' chose to go to Celtic, we did make the offer.

The fact that we have lost Crofts for the season out weighs the likelihood that we are going to lose Bridcutt, well it does for me. This is another hurdle we have to get over, and we will, just as we have all the other injuries this season.

There will no doubt be the, 'we must buy tomorrow,' call from some, but we are not in that position, we will go to Derby with a good team and options on the bench. If this was a knock that would keep Crofts out for a couple of game we would be panicking, and Oscar won't panic now.
There is time in this window to get the, 'right,' player in, probably another loan deal thru to the end of the season.

If/when the Bridcutt deal goes thru we will not need to replace him, IMHO, that deal could go thru any day now and if it does we will have money to buy for other positions. One of those positions could be that currently occupied by Crofts or, as I suggested, we do a loan deal and bank the money from the Bridcutt sale. I feel more concerned for Crofts than I do the squad, Oscar can fix the squad, he can do nothing for Crofts.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..[/p][/quote]Mark we wanted Van Dijk, 'he,' chose to go to Celtic, we did make the offer. The fact that we have lost Crofts for the season out weighs the likelihood that we are going to lose Bridcutt, well it does for me. This is another hurdle we have to get over, and we will, just as we have all the other injuries this season. There will no doubt be the, 'we must buy tomorrow,' call from some, but we are not in that position, we will go to Derby with a good team and options on the bench. If this was a knock that would keep Crofts out for a couple of game we would be panicking, and Oscar won't panic now. There is time in this window to get the, 'right,' player in, probably another loan deal thru to the end of the season. If/when the Bridcutt deal goes thru we will not need to replace him, IMHO, that deal could go thru any day now and if it does we will have money to buy for other positions. One of those positions could be that currently occupied by Crofts or, as I suggested, we do a loan deal and bank the money from the Bridcutt sale. I feel more concerned for Crofts than I do the squad, Oscar can fix the squad, he can do nothing for Crofts. VegasSeagull

2:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Will be HUGELY missed! Time to step up KEMY. Maybe a rethink on how we might play. I like OG and the way he conducts himself and with a bit of luck and time he will be one of our most succesful managers of all time...BUT...Please give 442 a go. Even with Crofts injured and Bridcutt on his way, with another striker coming in(hopefully) we have enough to make play-offs. Ince and one of Andrews/Kemy/Orlandi or JFC could play in the middle of the park. Spend what money we have or may get on a quality striker. We dont score enough goals or get men forward quick enough. You only need to look at the top teams of division and see how they set up. Voke/Ings and NugentVardy etc. Just a thought OG!!!
Will be HUGELY missed! Time to step up KEMY. Maybe a rethink on how we might play. I like OG and the way he conducts himself and with a bit of luck and time he will be one of our most succesful managers of all time...BUT...Please give 442 a go. Even with Crofts injured and Bridcutt on his way, with another striker coming in(hopefully) we have enough to make play-offs. Ince and one of Andrews/Kemy/Orlandi or JFC could play in the middle of the park. Spend what money we have or may get on a quality striker. We dont score enough goals or get men forward quick enough. You only need to look at the top teams of division and see how they set up. Voke/Ings and NugentVardy etc. Just a thought OG!!! Conelli98

3:05pm Sun 12 Jan 14

daveyboy35 says...

Time for agustien, Andrews to step up to the plate!!!
Time for agustien, Andrews to step up to the plate!!! daveyboy35

3:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

daveyboy35 wrote:
Time for agustien, Andrews to step up to the plate!!!
Not just those 2. We need all the lads to step up to the bowl.
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy35[/bold] wrote: Time for agustien, Andrews to step up to the plate!!![/p][/quote]Not just those 2. We need all the lads to step up to the bowl. sussexram40

3:14pm Sun 12 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

Don't mention Leroy Lita - we don't want to upset OG.
Don't mention Leroy Lita - we don't want to upset OG. sussexram40

3:20pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Big blow as all have said. Be good if Bridcutt did stay for the rest of the season---bit of loyalty needed, but little of that around these days--got to look after no 1! I am sure the scouts and Management will be doing all they can to bring players in but it is up to the current squad to step up to the mark if they want to play PL football next season. When the going gets tough etc!! I wish Crofty all the best as he has come on leaps and bounds compared to last season. Nasty nasty injury which takes time to recover from Good Luck to him.
Big blow as all have said. Be good if Bridcutt did stay for the rest of the season---bit of loyalty needed, but little of that around these days--got to look after no 1! I am sure the scouts and Management will be doing all they can to bring players in but it is up to the current squad to step up to the mark if they want to play PL football next season. When the going gets tough etc!! I wish Crofty all the best as he has come on leaps and bounds compared to last season. Nasty nasty injury which takes time to recover from Good Luck to him. mikeygit

3:40pm Sun 12 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.
Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?. tug509

3:41pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess.

And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours).

Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for.

Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..[/p][/quote]As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess. And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours). Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for. Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon? Ex-pat Arnie

3:41pm Sun 12 Jan 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Two things now , we have collected after deductions 600k for Barnes,
We don't have any like for like player to replace crofts.
I don't want this season being washed out as the unlucky one!,
Checking again we are top in the attendance league for championship, and with exception of Leeds probably the most expensive team to watch outside the top 12 in England , obviously players like Andrews kemy and ward have cost us in wages and movement costs .. But we lost Vicente and a few more end of season, we have not spent in my opinion since ulloa came 12 months ago.
Some will come on and spout fair play rules, and I except we need to ensure we don't spend what we don't have! And if there is a plan to wait for neatly half the league to be punished , and then use what money we have built for buying, I think that's not a bad idea, next season the clubs punished will not pay silly wages or even afford transfer fees.. We may pick up a bargain or two... However this season is here and now! And it's time for two or three loans. Keep powder dry for next season.
Having sold Barnes and Barker we should have around £700,000 available to invest, possibly a bit more. Oscar is already on record as wanting a replacement for Barnes and was quoted in yesterday's Argus as saying that we might need cover for Crofts if his injury was serious as we now know it is.
As you point out MBTS we don't really have another box - to - box midfielder like Crofts who can score several goals a season.
So I hope the club not only get a goalscoring striker in (I have seen Mason, Sammon and Grabban all mentioned as potential targets) but also an attacking midfielder for Crofts. After his form this season I look forward to seeing AC back to full fitness in time for next season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Two things now , we have collected after deductions 600k for Barnes, We don't have any like for like player to replace crofts. I don't want this season being washed out as the unlucky one!, Checking again we are top in the attendance league for championship, and with exception of Leeds probably the most expensive team to watch outside the top 12 in England , obviously players like Andrews kemy and ward have cost us in wages and movement costs .. But we lost Vicente and a few more end of season, we have not spent in my opinion since ulloa came 12 months ago. Some will come on and spout fair play rules, and I except we need to ensure we don't spend what we don't have! And if there is a plan to wait for neatly half the league to be punished , and then use what money we have built for buying, I think that's not a bad idea, next season the clubs punished will not pay silly wages or even afford transfer fees.. We may pick up a bargain or two... However this season is here and now! And it's time for two or three loans. Keep powder dry for next season.[/p][/quote]Having sold Barnes and Barker we should have around £700,000 available to invest, possibly a bit more. Oscar is already on record as wanting a replacement for Barnes and was quoted in yesterday's Argus as saying that we might need cover for Crofts if his injury was serious as we now know it is. As you point out MBTS we don't really have another box - to - box midfielder like Crofts who can score several goals a season. So I hope the club not only get a goalscoring striker in (I have seen Mason, Sammon and Grabban all mentioned as potential targets) but also an attacking midfielder for Crofts. After his form this season I look forward to seeing AC back to full fitness in time for next season. ballantrrae

3:50pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.
I've just seen it (as did Mallorca air traffic control!) It was a beaut, wasn't it?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.[/p][/quote]I've just seen it (as did Mallorca air traffic control!) It was a beaut, wasn't it? Ex-pat Arnie

3:57pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.
Tug your bet came closer to succeeding that his penalty kick did, you were real unlucky, he was just crap.
I am thinking that Orlandi gets to start against Derby next Saturday, maybe Kemmy if Orlandi is 100%.

Interesting that Sunderland make offers for two of our lads and both remain, 'injured.' I wonder, if Sunderland were to announce that they are no longer in the market for our lads, do you think their injuries would quickly heal?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.[/p][/quote]Tug your bet came closer to succeeding that his penalty kick did, you were real unlucky, he was just crap. I am thinking that Orlandi gets to start against Derby next Saturday, maybe Kemmy if Orlandi is 100%. Interesting that Sunderland make offers for two of our lads and both remain, 'injured.' I wonder, if Sunderland were to announce that they are no longer in the market for our lads, do you think their injuries would quickly heal? VegasSeagull

3:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

millsy135 says...

rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
No such thing as insurance for injuries, policy does not exist for professional football. The club can only insure against a career being ended by injury!
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]No such thing as insurance for injuries, policy does not exist for professional football. The club can only insure against a career being ended by injury! millsy135

4:09pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

millsy135 wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
No such thing as insurance for injuries, policy does not exist for professional football. The club can only insure against a career being ended by injury!
You know there just might be a policy that the players can buy to insure against loss of income, but that might not apply to football players as I suspect that they get paid no matter what.
A pal of mine used to race motor bikes, I know that a company was going up and down pit road offering cover to the riders, I actually spoke to one of the reps.
Maybe, if a player gets paid less when injured, he might be able to get cover for the lost portion of his wages. I don't know, I am not saying this is right or true, but I know this particular day that rider was offered a package, it was an American owned company with a British offshoot. Paying less wages to a player when injured is almost like having insurance as far as the club goes.
[quote][p][bold]millsy135[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]No such thing as insurance for injuries, policy does not exist for professional football. The club can only insure against a career being ended by injury![/p][/quote]You know there just might be a policy that the players can buy to insure against loss of income, but that might not apply to football players as I suspect that they get paid no matter what. A pal of mine used to race motor bikes, I know that a company was going up and down pit road offering cover to the riders, I actually spoke to one of the reps. Maybe, if a player gets paid less when injured, he might be able to get cover for the lost portion of his wages. I don't know, I am not saying this is right or true, but I know this particular day that rider was offered a package, it was an American owned company with a British offshoot. Paying less wages to a player when injured is almost like having insurance as far as the club goes. VegasSeagull

4:16pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Far gull says...

i luv my dog wrote:
hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.
Yes this is something i have been questioning all season. We have just had the wettest December in 30 odd yrs but yesterday one would of thought we lived in middle of sahara .
Suspect all officenardo's will say it allows ball to zip off surface but i do wonder if this surface is a tad too good at draining,certainly it does not cut up as bygone eras but is it at cost of injuries. Crofty injury i thought came in a collision ?
[quote][p][bold]i luv my dog[/bold] wrote: hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.[/p][/quote]Yes this is something i have been questioning all season. We have just had the wettest December in 30 odd yrs but yesterday one would of thought we lived in middle of sahara . Suspect all officenardo's will say it allows ball to zip off surface but i do wonder if this surface is a tad too good at draining,certainly it does not cut up as bygone eras but is it at cost of injuries. Crofty injury i thought came in a collision ? Far gull

4:16pm Sun 12 Jan 14

rolivan says...

Well when I spoke to somebody about it at the club they said it was too expensive which to me means it does exist . Until I am told by an official source I will believe what was told rather than what I read.
Well when I spoke to somebody about it at the club they said it was too expensive which to me means it does exist . Until I am told by an official source I will believe what was told rather than what I read. rolivan

4:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Real shame about Crifty.. He was having an excellent season and a cracking game yesterday.

I think it's fair to say that OG will want to keep the same style of football being played and thus will want to keep the same set up moving forward.
With that in mind I would like to see Lua Lua given Crofts role... The left wing can be covered by a fantastic player in Orlandi and the other 2 more central berths can be fought for by Ince, Andrews, Kemy and Bridcutt (should he remain.
The right is covered by David, Buckley & March and that still leave Ulloa, Obike and hopefully in the not to distant future, CMS up top.

I really do think that Kaz in this position would be a huge success.

Uta
Real shame about Crifty.. He was having an excellent season and a cracking game yesterday. I think it's fair to say that OG will want to keep the same style of football being played and thus will want to keep the same set up moving forward. With that in mind I would like to see Lua Lua given Crofts role... The left wing can be covered by a fantastic player in Orlandi and the other 2 more central berths can be fought for by Ince, Andrews, Kemy and Bridcutt (should he remain. The right is covered by David, Buckley & March and that still leave Ulloa, Obike and hopefully in the not to distant future, CMS up top. I really do think that Kaz in this position would be a huge success. Uta SMF20

4:19pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Trouble at mill again...not pooh...but Nightclub!!! :(
Trouble at mill again...not pooh...but Nightclub!!! :( Conelli98

4:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess.

And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours).

Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for.

Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?
You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise !
So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..[/p][/quote]As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess. And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours). Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for. Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?[/p][/quote]You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise ! So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield? mark by the sea

4:25pm Sun 12 Jan 14

rolivan says...

I spoke to somebody at the club and they said it was an expense issue not that it didn't exist until I am told otherwise I will believe Him not something that I have read.
I spoke to somebody at the club and they said it was an expense issue not that it didn't exist until I am told otherwise I will believe Him not something that I have read. rolivan

4:30pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

We have scored 12 goals in last ten games....
Half of the season still to go, we need 20 fit players
We have scored 12 goals in last ten games.... Half of the season still to go, we need 20 fit players mark by the sea

4:36pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

It's easy to get despondent when a key player gets injured, but we have survived a few injuries this season and we are still in the mix. On top of that MBTS has gone into glass half empty mode.

The time to be fed up is if we lose the next 3 away games and haven't managed to add to the squad at the end of Jan. Still a long way to go on both those counts and I have a feeling things will look better in 3 weeks time. For me, Andrews Ince and Agustein dont fit together as a midfield unit. Good defensively, but not enough offensive goalscoring threat. JFC gets up and down the pitch and can score, but doesn't have the bite and aggression of Crofts. Orlandi potentially a big threat going forward when fully fit. In MBTS's analysis of last season's midefield, he seems to forget the significant role Orlandi and Lopez played after Xmas. Crofts barely got a look in. I agree with OG that we have the squad to cope without Crofts but a bit of strengthening would be useful, and essential if either Bridcutt or Buckley leave. I am sure OG TB and Co. know that.
It's easy to get despondent when a key player gets injured, but we have survived a few injuries this season and we are still in the mix. On top of that MBTS has gone into glass half empty mode. The time to be fed up is if we lose the next 3 away games and haven't managed to add to the squad at the end of Jan. Still a long way to go on both those counts and I have a feeling things will look better in 3 weeks time. For me, Andrews Ince and Agustein dont fit together as a midfield unit. Good defensively, but not enough offensive goalscoring threat. JFC gets up and down the pitch and can score, but doesn't have the bite and aggression of Crofts. Orlandi potentially a big threat going forward when fully fit. In MBTS's analysis of last season's midefield, he seems to forget the significant role Orlandi and Lopez played after Xmas. Crofts barely got a look in. I agree with OG that we have the squad to cope without Crofts but a bit of strengthening would be useful, and essential if either Bridcutt or Buckley leave. I am sure OG TB and Co. know that. Chi Gull

4:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess.

And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours).

Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for.

Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?
You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise !
So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?
In what way have I missed your point? You said "squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury", NOT "midfield is on verge of meltdown". Please get your facts right when you are quoting your own post.

Also, I did NOT say I was confident Barnes would sign a new contract! I said that we would either sell him or he would re-sign (probably the former, but preferably the latter), rather than let him see his contract out. That is precisely what happened. That was in response to another one of your negative 'what if' posts about losing Barnes for free.

Also Bridcutt WILL care about more than just money, as do 99.9% of the population. Money is seen as a means to happiness, but it is a better life that most ultimately want. He also wants to prove himself against Premier League clubs. That of course comes with money, but money is not the only reason. Or are you as cynical as you are pessimistic?

And Obika will struggle IF Ulloa gets injured? FFS Mark... give it up with the "if's" already! Obika is not here to cover Ulloa, he is here to cover Lita, who was here to cover Barnes, who was covering Ulloa.

What if Ince and Ulloa do get injured, and then Andrews, Kemy, JFC, Obika, David, Orlandi and Buckley all get hurt in the same coach accident? You're taking this was too far into the realms of unlikely possibility.

You have become by far the most negative poster on here. I would hate to have your attitude to everything.

Oh, and well done for judging Obika on one appearance as substitute. No, really, well done. Might as well send him back to Spurs right now.

I give up with you.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..[/p][/quote]As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess. And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours). Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for. Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?[/p][/quote]You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise ! So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?[/p][/quote]In what way have I missed your point? You said "squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury", NOT "midfield is on verge of meltdown". Please get your facts right when you are quoting your own post. Also, I did NOT say I was confident Barnes would sign a new contract! I said that we would either sell him or he would re-sign (probably the former, but preferably the latter), rather than let him see his contract out. That is precisely what happened. That was in response to another one of your negative 'what if' posts about losing Barnes for free. Also Bridcutt WILL care about more than just money, as do 99.9% of the population. Money is seen as a means to happiness, but it is a better life that most ultimately want. He also wants to prove himself against Premier League clubs. That of course comes with money, but money is not the only reason. Or are you as cynical as you are pessimistic? And Obika will struggle IF Ulloa gets injured? FFS Mark... give it up with the "if's" already! Obika is not here to cover Ulloa, he is here to cover Lita, who was here to cover Barnes, who was covering Ulloa. What if Ince and Ulloa do get injured, and then Andrews, Kemy, JFC, Obika, David, Orlandi and Buckley all get hurt in the same coach accident? You're taking this was too far into the realms of unlikely possibility. You have become by far the most negative poster on here. I would hate to have your attitude to everything. Oh, and well done for judging Obika on one appearance as substitute. No, really, well done. Might as well send him back to Spurs right now. I give up with you. Ex-pat Arnie

4:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

pte says...

First Barnes, then Crofts and if we lose Bridcutt its game over for the rest of the season. If the club want any chance of going up they need to keep hold of bridcutt at any cost
First Barnes, then Crofts and if we lose Bridcutt its game over for the rest of the season. If the club want any chance of going up they need to keep hold of bridcutt at any cost pte

4:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic.

This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.
If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic. This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million. VegasSeagull

4:44pm Sun 12 Jan 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess.

And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours).

Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for.

Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?
You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise !
So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?
Ex-pat Arnie just on a point of fact Buckley is out injured and is not expected to be fit for another fortnight.
Since Oscar under the 'Oscar is concerned about Crofts injury ' thread is quoted as saying we need both another striker and (at that time assuming Crofts injury was long term) a probable replacement for Crofts I both expect and hope the club to sign at least two players in the remaining 19 days of the Transfer Window.
I appreciate that funds might be tight but with the £700,000 plus available from the Barnes and Barker sales we should be able to recruit a couple of players at least on Loan to the end of the season even if resources prevent our purchasing anyone permanently. 19 days should provide sufficient time to identify (even if we haven't already) and acquire the two types of players mentioned. This is not only a challenge for Oscar but a test of Burke and his team.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..[/p][/quote]As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess. And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours). Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for. Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?[/p][/quote]You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise ! So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?[/p][/quote]Ex-pat Arnie just on a point of fact Buckley is out injured and is not expected to be fit for another fortnight. Since Oscar under the 'Oscar is concerned about Crofts injury ' thread is quoted as saying we need both another striker and (at that time assuming Crofts injury was long term) a probable replacement for Crofts I both expect and hope the club to sign at least two players in the remaining 19 days of the Transfer Window. I appreciate that funds might be tight but with the £700,000 plus available from the Barnes and Barker sales we should be able to recruit a couple of players at least on Loan to the end of the season even if resources prevent our purchasing anyone permanently. 19 days should provide sufficient time to identify (even if we haven't already) and acquire the two types of players mentioned. This is not only a challenge for Oscar but a test of Burke and his team. ballantrrae

4:55pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

ballantrrae wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing
I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i
I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports?
I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..
As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess.

And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours).

Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for.

Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?
You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise !
So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?
Ex-pat Arnie just on a point of fact Buckley is out injured and is not expected to be fit for another fortnight.
Since Oscar under the 'Oscar is concerned about Crofts injury ' thread is quoted as saying we need both another striker and (at that time assuming Crofts injury was long term) a probable replacement for Crofts I both expect and hope the club to sign at least two players in the remaining 19 days of the Transfer Window.
I appreciate that funds might be tight but with the £700,000 plus available from the Barnes and Barker sales we should be able to recruit a couple of players at least on Loan to the end of the season even if resources prevent our purchasing anyone permanently. 19 days should provide sufficient time to identify (even if we haven't already) and acquire the two types of players mentioned. This is not only a challenge for Oscar but a test of Burke and his team.
Exactly , we must assume with 20 odd gams left we will have more injuries! That's why it's so important to strengthen in the next 19 days.
As for van dyke, we were close to getting him, and never went back with a higher offer, the alternative was copying palace sign him and loan him for remainder of the season,
Here is a certainty .. We will lose key players to bans or injuries and we need not only cover, but a bench capable of changing the game,
We played the first 10 games with one fit striker at the club! That's not good enough.
Please lets not play Bruno in midfield again!
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: You seem to be very negative of late Mark . I still think the club needs to look at insurance for players in fact in the last year I think they should have had cover but hindsight is a wonderful thing[/p][/quote]I am a bit, I have a feeling we are two or three players away from auto promotion, losing Barnes , crofts amd lbridcutt can't be underestimated, yes we have kemy jfc but neither are crofts, add his goals and shots on target and we are going to struggle i I just want to see us sign someone with potential , when I hear van dyke is being touted at 10 - 12 million 5 months after Celtic signed him for 2 million plus, makes me wonder if the club are backing it's scouting reports? I appreciate the new management team needs time to assess, but squad is on the verge of meltdown if we lost ince to injury, we seem to be reactive rather than pro- active..[/p][/quote]As Vegas said, we bid for VVD and bid again, but he unsurprisingly chose Champions League football. How you can wonder if this means the club aren't backing the scouts is anyone's guess. And as for "squad is on the verge of meltdown", I've rarely heard such nonsense on here :-) We still have a strong bench so we can absorb losses, as we have done all season. It is no more on the verge of meltdown than it has been all season. We have Ulloa back, we have Orlandi back, we have Kemy back, we have LuaLua and Buckley back, with JFC and March also fit and available to play. We have a full strength defence (with cover for all positions), and we will have CMS back soon (whose own opinion dares to differ from yours). Your view is always "what if blah blah blah" - why not cross those bridges when we come to them? The management will have far more contingency plans in place than you appear to give them credit for. Why not try to live in the moment rather than always be on the lookout for dark clouds of doom that may never actually appear from over the horizon?[/p][/quote]You missed my point again , I said if we lost ince the midfield would be in meltdown, you stated you were confident Barnes would sign a new contract and bridcutt cared more about other than money, having been at the game yesterday, I can tell you obika is not good enough in terms of experience to expect him to play from jan to May without another forward! ( your going to say we have ulloa) but a injury away again from being down to the bare bones... You should also check obika record, he is Buckley in disguise ! So ince gets injured or banned name your midfield and subs for midfield?[/p][/quote]Ex-pat Arnie just on a point of fact Buckley is out injured and is not expected to be fit for another fortnight. Since Oscar under the 'Oscar is concerned about Crofts injury ' thread is quoted as saying we need both another striker and (at that time assuming Crofts injury was long term) a probable replacement for Crofts I both expect and hope the club to sign at least two players in the remaining 19 days of the Transfer Window. I appreciate that funds might be tight but with the £700,000 plus available from the Barnes and Barker sales we should be able to recruit a couple of players at least on Loan to the end of the season even if resources prevent our purchasing anyone permanently. 19 days should provide sufficient time to identify (even if we haven't already) and acquire the two types of players mentioned. This is not only a challenge for Oscar but a test of Burke and his team.[/p][/quote]Exactly , we must assume with 20 odd gams left we will have more injuries! That's why it's so important to strengthen in the next 19 days. As for van dyke, we were close to getting him, and never went back with a higher offer, the alternative was copying palace sign him and loan him for remainder of the season, Here is a certainty .. We will lose key players to bans or injuries and we need not only cover, but a bench capable of changing the game, We played the first 10 games with one fit striker at the club! That's not good enough. Please lets not play Bruno in midfield again! mark by the sea

4:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae, we have already shown our intent to get an additional striker, Mason being just one name mentioned, that decision being the result of Barnes going. Obika might be seen as cover for Ulloa, but I think he is also a challenger for a starting place, something that Lita was never going to be. Mason is being looked at as a purchase and not a loan deal, that is significant in my eyes. The money we have taken in so far pays for Mason, three strikers with CMS returning at some point, if Obika doesn't work out we have it covered.

Crofts needing to be replaced, true, as Oscar has said as much, but I don't see that as a purchase, that looks like a loan deal to me simply because we have some good talent on the bench as will be made clear at Derby next week. Money coming for Bridders, IMHO, is all about next year's spending, especially if we get promoted, I think the Bridders money will be banked.
Ballantrrae, we have already shown our intent to get an additional striker, Mason being just one name mentioned, that decision being the result of Barnes going. Obika might be seen as cover for Ulloa, but I think he is also a challenger for a starting place, something that Lita was never going to be. Mason is being looked at as a purchase and not a loan deal, that is significant in my eyes. The money we have taken in so far pays for Mason, three strikers with CMS returning at some point, if Obika doesn't work out we have it covered. Crofts needing to be replaced, true, as Oscar has said as much, but I don't see that as a purchase, that looks like a loan deal to me simply because we have some good talent on the bench as will be made clear at Derby next week. Money coming for Bridders, IMHO, is all about next year's spending, especially if we get promoted, I think the Bridders money will be banked. VegasSeagull

5:04pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Neville says...

Good old FFP,Huddersfield just splashing out 1.3 m and Leicester buying again,that will take their squad numbers close to 40 now.all other top clubs looking at strengthening. Have a feeling we won't be splashing the cash,just loans.
Any news on Conway anyone
Good old FFP,Huddersfield just splashing out 1.3 m and Leicester buying again,that will take their squad numbers close to 40 now.all other top clubs looking at strengthening. Have a feeling we won't be splashing the cash,just loans. Any news on Conway anyone Neville

5:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality.
He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated.
A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad.
Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ).
I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one.
A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham.
While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.
markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality. He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated. A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad. Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ). I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one. A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham. While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of. kwaidam

5:14pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Good old FFP,Huddersfield just splashing out 1.3 m and Leicester buying again,that will take their squad numbers close to 40 now.all other top clubs looking at strengthening. Have a feeling we won't be splashing the cash,just loans.
Any news on Conway anyone
The other clubs that are strengthening their squads are playing catch up to the existing strength of our squad. What other squad in our division could have suffered all the injuries that we have, and be in the top six.
Crofts poses another challenge for Oscar, but he will deal with it, just as he has all the other challenges.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Good old FFP,Huddersfield just splashing out 1.3 m and Leicester buying again,that will take their squad numbers close to 40 now.all other top clubs looking at strengthening. Have a feeling we won't be splashing the cash,just loans. Any news on Conway anyone[/p][/quote]The other clubs that are strengthening their squads are playing catch up to the existing strength of our squad. What other squad in our division could have suffered all the injuries that we have, and be in the top six. Crofts poses another challenge for Oscar, but he will deal with it, just as he has all the other challenges. VegasSeagull

5:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

albion64 says...

i luv my dog wrote:
hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.
I am beginning to think that these injuries that we keep picking up can't all be bad luck. I am starting to think that the pitch may have something to do with it. Pooyet said last season, going from the Amex to 4g surfaces, then grass didn't help injuries (hamstrings etc). Maybe he was right after all.

I find it surprising that all these technical doctors etc we now have involved haven't sussed this one out yet. What are they being paid for after all?

Watering the pitch does seem daft at times. Yesterday they did it at half time as well. Lua Lua kept slipping over and he wasn't the only one.
Oscar said we had strength in depth when he learnt of Crofts injury. We haven't got anyone to replace him I'm afraid and with the Fair Play system in place, we will have to use what we have. UTA
[quote][p][bold]i luv my dog[/bold] wrote: hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.[/p][/quote]I am beginning to think that these injuries that we keep picking up can't all be bad luck. I am starting to think that the pitch may have something to do with it. Pooyet said last season, going from the Amex to 4g surfaces, then grass didn't help injuries (hamstrings etc). Maybe he was right after all. I find it surprising that all these technical doctors etc we now have involved haven't sussed this one out yet. What are they being paid for after all? Watering the pitch does seem daft at times. Yesterday they did it at half time as well. Lua Lua kept slipping over and he wasn't the only one. Oscar said we had strength in depth when he learnt of Crofts injury. We haven't got anyone to replace him I'm afraid and with the Fair Play system in place, we will have to use what we have. UTA albion64

5:22pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic.

This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.
Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt
Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic. This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.[/p][/quote]Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich! Conelli98

5:30pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

kwaidam wrote:
markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality.
He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated.
A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad.
Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ).
I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one.
A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham.
While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.
I just don't get this comment, I am not being rude, please don't think I am, I just see massive holes in much of what has been written, so many statement of facts that are nothing more than personal opinions or thoughts.

Why get a player from Spain, do not other countries have available talent?
Who says that Oscar is not in on all decisions being made re players.
Yep Oscar wanted to keep Barnes, he was sold, but let's not forget that Barnes wanted to go, he had a contract offer on the table, he didn't pick it up.
Lita looked better than Obika, and that is based on how many minutes for each player?
The loss of Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes can not be under estimated, I think it can. How did our results go during all the matches missed by Bridders. Obika is in, a new striker is being sought, CMS will return, Ulloa is back, not enough to replace Barnes?
We have strength in depth re midfield, Oscar will replace Crofts, he has already said that, Crofts is a big loss, that's true, but our season won't collapse due to his loss.

Like I say, I am not having a pop at you, I am simply taking the positive view rather than the negative, it's too easy to be negative and the positives often get over looked by one or two incidents. .
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality. He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated. A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad. Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ). I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one. A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham. While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.[/p][/quote]I just don't get this comment, I am not being rude, please don't think I am, I just see massive holes in much of what has been written, so many statement of facts that are nothing more than personal opinions or thoughts. Why get a player from Spain, do not other countries have available talent? Who says that Oscar is not in on all decisions being made re players. Yep Oscar wanted to keep Barnes, he was sold, but let's not forget that Barnes wanted to go, he had a contract offer on the table, he didn't pick it up. Lita looked better than Obika, and that is based on how many minutes for each player? The loss of Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes can not be under estimated, I think it can. How did our results go during all the matches missed by Bridders. Obika is in, a new striker is being sought, CMS will return, Ulloa is back, not enough to replace Barnes? We have strength in depth re midfield, Oscar will replace Crofts, he has already said that, Crofts is a big loss, that's true, but our season won't collapse due to his loss. Like I say, I am not having a pop at you, I am simply taking the positive view rather than the negative, it's too easy to be negative and the positives often get over looked by one or two incidents. . VegasSeagull

5:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic.

This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.
Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt
Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich!
I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic. This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.[/p][/quote]Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich![/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that. VegasSeagull

5:59pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Far gull wrote:
i luv my dog wrote:
hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.
Yes this is something i have been questioning all season. We have just had the wettest December in 30 odd yrs but yesterday one would of thought we lived in middle of sahara .
Suspect all officenardo's will say it allows ball to zip off surface but i do wonder if this surface is a tad too good at draining,certainly it does not cut up as bygone eras but is it at cost of injuries. Crofty injury i thought came in a collision ?
Just about every club waters the surface just prior to a match and again at half time, if it was a problem it wouldn't happen as players at all clubs would e dropping like flies.
The Amex pitch, along with many others, has seen a lot of rain recently, it's pouring down at I write in Stoke, both sets of players are on their feet, no injuries. A wet or lightly watered pitch is not the reason for our injuries or any other club's injuries.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i luv my dog[/bold] wrote: hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.[/p][/quote]Yes this is something i have been questioning all season. We have just had the wettest December in 30 odd yrs but yesterday one would of thought we lived in middle of sahara . Suspect all officenardo's will say it allows ball to zip off surface but i do wonder if this surface is a tad too good at draining,certainly it does not cut up as bygone eras but is it at cost of injuries. Crofty injury i thought came in a collision ?[/p][/quote]Just about every club waters the surface just prior to a match and again at half time, if it was a problem it wouldn't happen as players at all clubs would e dropping like flies. The Amex pitch, along with many others, has seen a lot of rain recently, it's pouring down at I write in Stoke, both sets of players are on their feet, no injuries. A wet or lightly watered pitch is not the reason for our injuries or any other club's injuries. VegasSeagull

6:09pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality.
He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated.
A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad.
Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ).
I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one.
A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham.
While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.
I just don't get this comment, I am not being rude, please don't think I am, I just see massive holes in much of what has been written, so many statement of facts that are nothing more than personal opinions or thoughts.

Why get a player from Spain, do not other countries have available talent?
Who says that Oscar is not in on all decisions being made re players.
Yep Oscar wanted to keep Barnes, he was sold, but let's not forget that Barnes wanted to go, he had a contract offer on the table, he didn't pick it up.
Lita looked better than Obika, and that is based on how many minutes for each player?
The loss of Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes can not be under estimated, I think it can. How did our results go during all the matches missed by Bridders. Obika is in, a new striker is being sought, CMS will return, Ulloa is back, not enough to replace Barnes?
We have strength in depth re midfield, Oscar will replace Crofts, he has already said that, Crofts is a big loss, that's true, but our season won't collapse due to his loss.

Like I say, I am not having a pop at you, I am simply taking the positive view rather than the negative, it's too easy to be negative and the positives often get over looked by one or two incidents. .
We have been short in depth for most of the season up front , during first Barnes injury, followed by ulloa ban then injury we had only one fit striker.
Vegas sates other clubs are catching us up? How on earth can that be?
Leicester have 5-6 established strikers, forest the same, QPR have problems with injuries, and are about to strengthen that area, Burnley have ings and vokes both have scored more than the starting 11 against derby next week.. What do they do? Spend £750 on another striker even though they had back up .. That was what I said before if we are genuine promotion challengers , we need to strengthen , loans will do..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality. He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated. A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad. Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ). I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one. A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham. While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.[/p][/quote]I just don't get this comment, I am not being rude, please don't think I am, I just see massive holes in much of what has been written, so many statement of facts that are nothing more than personal opinions or thoughts. Why get a player from Spain, do not other countries have available talent? Who says that Oscar is not in on all decisions being made re players. Yep Oscar wanted to keep Barnes, he was sold, but let's not forget that Barnes wanted to go, he had a contract offer on the table, he didn't pick it up. Lita looked better than Obika, and that is based on how many minutes for each player? The loss of Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes can not be under estimated, I think it can. How did our results go during all the matches missed by Bridders. Obika is in, a new striker is being sought, CMS will return, Ulloa is back, not enough to replace Barnes? We have strength in depth re midfield, Oscar will replace Crofts, he has already said that, Crofts is a big loss, that's true, but our season won't collapse due to his loss. Like I say, I am not having a pop at you, I am simply taking the positive view rather than the negative, it's too easy to be negative and the positives often get over looked by one or two incidents. .[/p][/quote]We have been short in depth for most of the season up front , during first Barnes injury, followed by ulloa ban then injury we had only one fit striker. Vegas sates other clubs are catching us up? How on earth can that be? Leicester have 5-6 established strikers, forest the same, QPR have problems with injuries, and are about to strengthen that area, Burnley have ings and vokes both have scored more than the starting 11 against derby next week.. What do they do? Spend £750 on another striker even though they had back up .. That was what I said before if we are genuine promotion challengers , we need to strengthen , loans will do.. mark by the sea

6:14pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic.

This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.
Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt
Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich!
I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.
...but we dont have money to splash around and nows not the time to be thinking development as Oscar has shown by releasing Barker and Goodwin. If he is good as you r suggesting then maybe thats for the summer. Right now is for someone with a bit more nouse about the Division. BECCHIO but I also like the idea of Grabban.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic. This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.[/p][/quote]Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich![/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.[/p][/quote]...but we dont have money to splash around and nows not the time to be thinking development as Oscar has shown by releasing Barker and Goodwin. If he is good as you r suggesting then maybe thats for the summer. Right now is for someone with a bit more nouse about the Division. BECCHIO but I also like the idea of Grabban. Conelli98

6:24pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic.

This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.
Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt
Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich!
I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.
...but we dont have money to splash around and nows not the time to be thinking development as Oscar has shown by releasing Barker and Goodwin. If he is good as you r suggesting then maybe thats for the summer. Right now is for someone with a bit more nouse about the Division. BECCHIO but I also like the idea of Grabban.
Was it yourself that posted on NSC about an offer for Grabban?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic. This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.[/p][/quote]Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich![/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.[/p][/quote]...but we dont have money to splash around and nows not the time to be thinking development as Oscar has shown by releasing Barker and Goodwin. If he is good as you r suggesting then maybe thats for the summer. Right now is for someone with a bit more nouse about the Division. BECCHIO but I also like the idea of Grabban.[/p][/quote]Was it yourself that posted on NSC about an offer for Grabban? SMF20

6:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Neville says...

I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.
I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done. Neville

6:48pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes. VegasSeagull

6:57pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality.
He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated.
A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad.
Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ).
I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one.
A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham.
While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.
I just don't get this comment, I am not being rude, please don't think I am, I just see massive holes in much of what has been written, so many statement of facts that are nothing more than personal opinions or thoughts.

Why get a player from Spain, do not other countries have available talent?
Who says that Oscar is not in on all decisions being made re players.
Yep Oscar wanted to keep Barnes, he was sold, but let's not forget that Barnes wanted to go, he had a contract offer on the table, he didn't pick it up.
Lita looked better than Obika, and that is based on how many minutes for each player?
The loss of Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes can not be under estimated, I think it can. How did our results go during all the matches missed by Bridders. Obika is in, a new striker is being sought, CMS will return, Ulloa is back, not enough to replace Barnes?
We have strength in depth re midfield, Oscar will replace Crofts, he has already said that, Crofts is a big loss, that's true, but our season won't collapse due to his loss.

Like I say, I am not having a pop at you, I am simply taking the positive view rather than the negative, it's too easy to be negative and the positives often get over looked by one or two incidents. .
We have been short in depth for most of the season up front , during first Barnes injury, followed by ulloa ban then injury we had only one fit striker.
Vegas sates other clubs are catching us up? How on earth can that be?
Leicester have 5-6 established strikers, forest the same, QPR have problems with injuries, and are about to strengthen that area, Burnley have ings and vokes both have scored more than the starting 11 against derby next week.. What do they do? Spend £750 on another striker even though they had back up .. That was what I said before if we are genuine promotion challengers , we need to strengthen , loans will do..
The reason why I say that other clubs are playing catch up to us with regard to the strength of our squad is, many opposing managers have commented on just how strong they judge our squad to be. The other obvious reason is that we are in the top six and have had to deal with at least eleven of our squad having suffered injuries this season. We are not where we are by accident.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality. He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated. A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad. Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ). I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one. A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham. While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.[/p][/quote]I just don't get this comment, I am not being rude, please don't think I am, I just see massive holes in much of what has been written, so many statement of facts that are nothing more than personal opinions or thoughts. Why get a player from Spain, do not other countries have available talent? Who says that Oscar is not in on all decisions being made re players. Yep Oscar wanted to keep Barnes, he was sold, but let's not forget that Barnes wanted to go, he had a contract offer on the table, he didn't pick it up. Lita looked better than Obika, and that is based on how many minutes for each player? The loss of Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes can not be under estimated, I think it can. How did our results go during all the matches missed by Bridders. Obika is in, a new striker is being sought, CMS will return, Ulloa is back, not enough to replace Barnes? We have strength in depth re midfield, Oscar will replace Crofts, he has already said that, Crofts is a big loss, that's true, but our season won't collapse due to his loss. Like I say, I am not having a pop at you, I am simply taking the positive view rather than the negative, it's too easy to be negative and the positives often get over looked by one or two incidents. .[/p][/quote]We have been short in depth for most of the season up front , during first Barnes injury, followed by ulloa ban then injury we had only one fit striker. Vegas sates other clubs are catching us up? How on earth can that be? Leicester have 5-6 established strikers, forest the same, QPR have problems with injuries, and are about to strengthen that area, Burnley have ings and vokes both have scored more than the starting 11 against derby next week.. What do they do? Spend £750 on another striker even though they had back up .. That was what I said before if we are genuine promotion challengers , we need to strengthen , loans will do..[/p][/quote]The reason why I say that other clubs are playing catch up to us with regard to the strength of our squad is, many opposing managers have commented on just how strong they judge our squad to be. The other obvious reason is that we are in the top six and have had to deal with at least eleven of our squad having suffered injuries this season. We are not where we are by accident. VegasSeagull

7:03pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Neville wrote:
I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.
Always nice to hear :-) Can you remember what his name was?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.[/p][/quote]Always nice to hear :-) Can you remember what his name was? Ex-pat Arnie

7:06pm Sun 12 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

Vegas.
Thanks for not having a pop. My comment as not totally based on personal opinion although the final par was.
In reply..
1. Barnes did not want to go. He was settled and happy and in good form. He just wanted a longer contract than the 12 months that was on the table (he got that at Burnley plus a signing-on fee). A gun was put to his head. The 'club' didn't value him as much as he thought it should. (not personal opinion). And, they should have valued him more by giving him a longer deal (personal opinion).
2. Lita was lazy in training which didn't please coaching staff. (not personal opinion). But he looked good in the time he was on the pitch (fact).
3. Yes, there are other countries apart from Spain to look for players. But Oscar surely has contacts in his own country, an possibly in Israel too.
4. Oscar is in decisions but, as head coach and not manager, not in on contract discussions (fact).
5. How many games have we played this season without Croft, Barnes and Briddcutt? (don't know, don't care. I go each week home and away and know the intrinsic value of all three to the squad). So while the loss of one is capable of being overcome, two is more of a problem, all three at the same time (our three hardest working players?) defnitealy does weake n the team (personal opinion).
6. I am not saying our season will collapse but it is hard to see us staying in the play-off places when other teams just below us are coming with runs (Wigan, Middlesbro to name jut two).
7. Have we signed one player this season who could be considered an 'Oscar signing'? NO. (fact). Surely this is wrong. And I question how much Oscar is involved in sourcing players and talent.
I'm not having pop at you either Vegas, I respect your opinions and, hey, after all we both want the same thing. Success on the pitch, and a well-run Albion off it.
Vegas. Thanks for not having a pop. My comment as not totally based on personal opinion although the final par was. In reply.. 1. Barnes did not want to go. He was settled and happy and in good form. He just wanted a longer contract than the 12 months that was on the table (he got that at Burnley plus a signing-on fee). A gun was put to his head. The 'club' didn't value him as much as he thought it should. (not personal opinion). And, they should have valued him more by giving him a longer deal (personal opinion). 2. Lita was lazy in training which didn't please coaching staff. (not personal opinion). But he looked good in the time he was on the pitch (fact). 3. Yes, there are other countries apart from Spain to look for players. But Oscar surely has contacts in his own country, an possibly in Israel too. 4. Oscar is in decisions but, as head coach and not manager, not in on contract discussions (fact). 5. How many games have we played this season without Croft, Barnes and Briddcutt? (don't know, don't care. I go each week home and away and know the intrinsic value of all three to the squad). So while the loss of one is capable of being overcome, two is more of a problem, all three at the same time (our three hardest working players?) defnitealy does weake n the team (personal opinion). 6. I am not saying our season will collapse but it is hard to see us staying in the play-off places when other teams just below us are coming with runs (Wigan, Middlesbro to name jut two). 7. Have we signed one player this season who could be considered an 'Oscar signing'? NO. (fact). Surely this is wrong. And I question how much Oscar is involved in sourcing players and talent. I'm not having pop at you either Vegas, I respect your opinions and, hey, after all we both want the same thing. Success on the pitch, and a well-run Albion off it. kwaidam

7:07pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ballantrrae - fair point re Buckers. I was (in my mind if not in type!) thinking of longer term injuries, but I had forgotten he had a niggle :-)
ballantrrae - fair point re Buckers. I was (in my mind if not in type!) thinking of longer term injuries, but I had forgotten he had a niggle :-) Ex-pat Arnie

7:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

ps. vegas.... Unless Oscar is backed more by the 'suits' at the Albion I would be worried there will come a time soon when a La Liga or Spanish 2nd Div team comes calling for him and he will be off. And we will end up with Nathan Jones as the manager. And that's not what I want. (personal opinion).
ps. vegas.... Unless Oscar is backed more by the 'suits' at the Albion I would be worried there will come a time soon when a La Liga or Spanish 2nd Div team comes calling for him and he will be off. And we will end up with Nathan Jones as the manager. And that's not what I want. (personal opinion). kwaidam

7:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple.
With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot.
LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger.
we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game.
If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated!
For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.[/p][/quote]Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple. With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot. LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger. we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game. If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated! For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work. To baldly go

7:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

kwaidam wrote:
Vegas.
Thanks for not having a pop. My comment as not totally based on personal opinion although the final par was.
In reply..
1. Barnes did not want to go. He was settled and happy and in good form. He just wanted a longer contract than the 12 months that was on the table (he got that at Burnley plus a signing-on fee). A gun was put to his head. The 'club' didn't value him as much as he thought it should. (not personal opinion). And, they should have valued him more by giving him a longer deal (personal opinion).
2. Lita was lazy in training which didn't please coaching staff. (not personal opinion). But he looked good in the time he was on the pitch (fact).
3. Yes, there are other countries apart from Spain to look for players. But Oscar surely has contacts in his own country, an possibly in Israel too.
4. Oscar is in decisions but, as head coach and not manager, not in on contract discussions (fact).
5. How many games have we played this season without Croft, Barnes and Briddcutt? (don't know, don't care. I go each week home and away and know the intrinsic value of all three to the squad). So while the loss of one is capable of being overcome, two is more of a problem, all three at the same time (our three hardest working players?) defnitealy does weake n the team (personal opinion).
6. I am not saying our season will collapse but it is hard to see us staying in the play-off places when other teams just below us are coming with runs (Wigan, Middlesbro to name jut two).
7. Have we signed one player this season who could be considered an 'Oscar signing'? NO. (fact). Surely this is wrong. And I question how much Oscar is involved in sourcing players and talent.
I'm not having pop at you either Vegas, I respect your opinions and, hey, after all we both want the same thing. Success on the pitch, and a well-run Albion off it.
Absolutely superb post
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Vegas. Thanks for not having a pop. My comment as not totally based on personal opinion although the final par was. In reply.. 1. Barnes did not want to go. He was settled and happy and in good form. He just wanted a longer contract than the 12 months that was on the table (he got that at Burnley plus a signing-on fee). A gun was put to his head. The 'club' didn't value him as much as he thought it should. (not personal opinion). And, they should have valued him more by giving him a longer deal (personal opinion). 2. Lita was lazy in training which didn't please coaching staff. (not personal opinion). But he looked good in the time he was on the pitch (fact). 3. Yes, there are other countries apart from Spain to look for players. But Oscar surely has contacts in his own country, an possibly in Israel too. 4. Oscar is in decisions but, as head coach and not manager, not in on contract discussions (fact). 5. How many games have we played this season without Croft, Barnes and Briddcutt? (don't know, don't care. I go each week home and away and know the intrinsic value of all three to the squad). So while the loss of one is capable of being overcome, two is more of a problem, all three at the same time (our three hardest working players?) defnitealy does weake n the team (personal opinion). 6. I am not saying our season will collapse but it is hard to see us staying in the play-off places when other teams just below us are coming with runs (Wigan, Middlesbro to name jut two). 7. Have we signed one player this season who could be considered an 'Oscar signing'? NO. (fact). Surely this is wrong. And I question how much Oscar is involved in sourcing players and talent. I'm not having pop at you either Vegas, I respect your opinions and, hey, after all we both want the same thing. Success on the pitch, and a well-run Albion off it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely superb post SMF20

7:34pm Sun 12 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple.
With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot.
LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger.
we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game.
If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated!
For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.
An excellent appraisal.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.[/p][/quote]Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple. With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot. LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger. we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game. If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated! For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.[/p][/quote]An excellent appraisal. wiseman of hove

7:44pm Sun 12 Jan 14

OldGull says...

Neville wrote:
I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.
Yes, best ref this season
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.[/p][/quote]Yes, best ref this season OldGull

7:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

OldGull wrote:
Neville wrote:
I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.
Yes, best ref this season
Yes - absolutely first rate.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.[/p][/quote]Yes, best ref this season[/p][/quote]Yes - absolutely first rate. wiseman of hove

7:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple.
With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot.
LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger.
we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game.
If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated!
For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.
An excellent appraisal.
We are blessed with a defence as good as any in this division, in that I mean the midfield too, yesterday we bossed the majority of the game, but in truth they could have scored at the end, for me ince Andrews and lua lua must start, Orlandi if fit, but the bench looks a little light without a player or two coming in.. Does anyone know how many we scored up to the same amount of games from last year?
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.[/p][/quote]Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple. With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot. LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger. we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game. If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated! For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.[/p][/quote]An excellent appraisal.[/p][/quote]We are blessed with a defence as good as any in this division, in that I mean the midfield too, yesterday we bossed the majority of the game, but in truth they could have scored at the end, for me ince Andrews and lua lua must start, Orlandi if fit, but the bench looks a little light without a player or two coming in.. Does anyone know how many we scored up to the same amount of games from last year? mark by the sea

7:52pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic.

This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.
Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt
Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich!
I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.
...but we dont have money to splash around and nows not the time to be thinking development as Oscar has shown by releasing Barker and Goodwin. If he is good as you r suggesting then maybe thats for the summer. Right now is for someone with a bit more nouse about the Division. BECCHIO but I also like the idea of Grabban.
Was it yourself that posted on NSC about an offer for Grabban?
Not me! I go on there every now and then but I heard that name mentioned in west upper yesterday. I did like the look of him a few weeks ago when he was down here. Would like to see Obika played with Leo as a two pronged attack but still feel we need a proven scorer who can create for himself. Leo is not that type of player, Obika? and CMS when? Do you see my point?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are looking for a striker, and I am basing my comments purely on this lad's stats, and with a thought to our new facility and who we have as a manager, I would hope that we check out Richairo Zivkovic. This lad plays for the same Dutch side that Van Dijk came from, FC Groningen. He is just 17 years of age. He has featured in 17 matches, 12 as a sub, and scored 5 goals. Price would be in the region of 700k, maybe a little less. A lot of money for one so young but didn't Sterling feature for Liverpool at the same age, at just 19 he now has a value of around 12 million.[/p][/quote]Youve based this on stats Vegas but not common sense my friend! We need an expierenced forward not a 17yr old at this moment in time. Sell Bridcutt Now and get funds in asap to buy this type of player. Ulloa needs support and after his display yesterday quickly! Im not knocking Leo but he needs a player up there with him. Maybe a fellow Argentine from Norwich![/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying, but as I said, this type of lad with our new facility and our manager in mind, makes me think this lad could be good for us, long term, and maybe right now. 17 appearances with 12 as a sub but still gets 5 goals, that aint bad stats. Age doesn't matter of the ball finds the back of the net, Sterling proves that.[/p][/quote]...but we dont have money to splash around and nows not the time to be thinking development as Oscar has shown by releasing Barker and Goodwin. If he is good as you r suggesting then maybe thats for the summer. Right now is for someone with a bit more nouse about the Division. BECCHIO but I also like the idea of Grabban.[/p][/quote]Was it yourself that posted on NSC about an offer for Grabban?[/p][/quote]Not me! I go on there every now and then but I heard that name mentioned in west upper yesterday. I did like the look of him a few weeks ago when he was down here. Would like to see Obika played with Leo as a two pronged attack but still feel we need a proven scorer who can create for himself. Leo is not that type of player, Obika? and CMS when? Do you see my point? Conelli98

8:06pm Sun 12 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

mark by the sea wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple.
With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot.
LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger.
we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game.
If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated!
For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.
An excellent appraisal.
We are blessed with a defence as good as any in this division, in that I mean the midfield too, yesterday we bossed the majority of the game, but in truth they could have scored at the end, for me ince Andrews and lua lua must start, Orlandi if fit, but the bench looks a little light without a player or two coming in.. Does anyone know how many we scored up to the same amount of games from last year?
9th on 37 points, scored 35 conceded 26 so goal diff +9, very similar to this year, lack of goals last year led to to many draws, this year not quite so bad draw wise but it could come down to goal difference, but it keeps it exciting!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.[/p][/quote]Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple. With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot. LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger. we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game. If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated! For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.[/p][/quote]An excellent appraisal.[/p][/quote]We are blessed with a defence as good as any in this division, in that I mean the midfield too, yesterday we bossed the majority of the game, but in truth they could have scored at the end, for me ince Andrews and lua lua must start, Orlandi if fit, but the bench looks a little light without a player or two coming in.. Does anyone know how many we scored up to the same amount of games from last year?[/p][/quote]9th on 37 points, scored 35 conceded 26 so goal diff +9, very similar to this year, lack of goals last year led to to many draws, this year not quite so bad draw wise but it could come down to goal difference, but it keeps it exciting! To baldly go

8:09pm Sun 12 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Neville wrote:
I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.
Yes, best ref this season
Yes - absolutely first rate.
We'll never know of course, but I believe we would have ended up with all three points against Bournemouth if this referee had been officiating that match.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I am normally fairly critical of referees but to give credit I thought the referee yesterday was excellent,could not fault him,well done.[/p][/quote]Yes, best ref this season[/p][/quote]Yes - absolutely first rate.[/p][/quote]We'll never know of course, but I believe we would have ended up with all three points against Bournemouth if this referee had been officiating that match. and another thing....

8:10pm Sun 12 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

To one and all.

The single striker system requires us to have a striker type playing in midfield, something akin to how Rooney operates for United, I would no longer call him a striker in the conventional meaning of the word, but he certainly strikes at goal. I think that is what we have lost now that Crofts is out. I guess some will suggest that Kaz could play the role in midfield but I don't think that would work.
When playing out wide, Kaz slips the ball 7 to10 yards past the defender and wins the foot race to deliver a pass or a cross. Push the ball 7 to 10 feet in the middle of the park and you will have a defender meeting it, out wide you are normally one on one being quick over the ground helps. Barnes could have offered the mid field striker role but he has now gone, I think Oscar will focus on a Rooney type coming in on loan.

Kwaidam, you are right, we all want the same thing for the club, and if we all had the same opinion on how to get what we want, life would be so boring.

My interest in who Oscar signs is all about next season, that is when we need to see his handwriting on new players. I have made my thoughts known over the last few weeks as to how I hope he rebuilds, but in short, the rebuild would be extensive, if I had my way.
To one and all. The single striker system requires us to have a striker type playing in midfield, something akin to how Rooney operates for United, I would no longer call him a striker in the conventional meaning of the word, but he certainly strikes at goal. I think that is what we have lost now that Crofts is out. I guess some will suggest that Kaz could play the role in midfield but I don't think that would work. When playing out wide, Kaz slips the ball 7 to10 yards past the defender and wins the foot race to deliver a pass or a cross. Push the ball 7 to 10 feet in the middle of the park and you will have a defender meeting it, out wide you are normally one on one being quick over the ground helps. Barnes could have offered the mid field striker role but he has now gone, I think Oscar will focus on a Rooney type coming in on loan. Kwaidam, you are right, we all want the same thing for the club, and if we all had the same opinion on how to get what we want, life would be so boring. My interest in who Oscar signs is all about next season, that is when we need to see his handwriting on new players. I have made my thoughts known over the last few weeks as to how I hope he rebuilds, but in short, the rebuild would be extensive, if I had my way. VegasSeagull

8:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

To baldly go wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple.
With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot.
LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger.
we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game.
If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated!
For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.
An excellent appraisal.
We are blessed with a defence as good as any in this division, in that I mean the midfield too, yesterday we bossed the majority of the game, but in truth they could have scored at the end, for me ince Andrews and lua lua must start, Orlandi if fit, but the bench looks a little light without a player or two coming in.. Does anyone know how many we scored up to the same amount of games from last year?
9th on 37 points, scored 35 conceded 26 so goal diff +9, very similar to this year, lack of goals last year led to to many draws, this year not quite so bad draw wise but it could come down to goal difference, but it keeps it exciting!
So far we have score 30 and let in 22. ... I have to say upson has been unbelievable , ward has grown on me, I suppose stepping into bridges boots a tall order? But after the defence we have crofts, bridcutt and ince, all who put there body on the line and work really hard for the team.
Upson player of the season to date, I am sure ince and crofts have there fans, but upson ihad been a class act.
Moving on, my old friend who works for the saints reckons shaw is being auctioned, Chelsea offered 12 million , man city 25, add man united offering 17 for allana and the youth policy is clearly paying off! They have a 14 year old that is now on arsenal radar, thats the massive difference when you can sell players as you know the production line is still flowing!
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.[/p][/quote]Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple. With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot. LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger. we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game. If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated! For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.[/p][/quote]An excellent appraisal.[/p][/quote]We are blessed with a defence as good as any in this division, in that I mean the midfield too, yesterday we bossed the majority of the game, but in truth they could have scored at the end, for me ince Andrews and lua lua must start, Orlandi if fit, but the bench looks a little light without a player or two coming in.. Does anyone know how many we scored up to the same amount of games from last year?[/p][/quote]9th on 37 points, scored 35 conceded 26 so goal diff +9, very similar to this year, lack of goals last year led to to many draws, this year not quite so bad draw wise but it could come down to goal difference, but it keeps it exciting![/p][/quote]So far we have score 30 and let in 22. ... I have to say upson has been unbelievable , ward has grown on me, I suppose stepping into bridges boots a tall order? But after the defence we have crofts, bridcutt and ince, all who put there body on the line and work really hard for the team. Upson player of the season to date, I am sure ince and crofts have there fans, but upson ihad been a class act. Moving on, my old friend who works for the saints reckons shaw is being auctioned, Chelsea offered 12 million , man city 25, add man united offering 17 for allana and the youth policy is clearly paying off! They have a 14 year old that is now on arsenal radar, thats the massive difference when you can sell players as you know the production line is still flowing! mark by the sea

8:25pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke!
We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke! Conelli98

8:46pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Hovite says...

Conelli98 wrote:
We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke!
He has scored 18 goal this season.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke![/p][/quote]He has scored 18 goal this season. Hovite

9:07pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ulloa19 says...

Hovite wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke!
He has scored 18 goal this season.
I think that that will be a good move but would prefer becchio, sharp or somebody else like that with premier league experience.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke![/p][/quote]He has scored 18 goal this season.[/p][/quote]I think that that will be a good move but would prefer becchio, sharp or somebody else like that with premier league experience. UTA Ulloa19

9:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Spoke to a mate who lives in Wolverhampton who is a Wolves fan and he says that they are on the verge of signing him!!
Spoke to a mate who lives in Wolverhampton who is a Wolves fan and he says that they are on the verge of signing him!! Conelli98

9:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ulloa19 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke!
He has scored 18 goal this season.
I think that that will be a good move but would prefer becchio, sharp or somebody else like that with premier league experience.
UTA
Guy is 28, never played much higher, not for me, if palace sign crouch Murray needs some game time .... Just returned to training!
[quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke![/p][/quote]He has scored 18 goal this season.[/p][/quote]I think that that will be a good move but would prefer becchio, sharp or somebody else like that with premier league experience. UTA[/p][/quote]Guy is 28, never played much higher, not for me, if palace sign crouch Murray needs some game time .... Just returned to training! mark by the sea

10:08pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ulloa19 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke!
He has scored 18 goal this season.
I think that that will be a good move but would prefer becchio, sharp or somebody else like that with premier league experience.
UTA
Guy is 28, never played much higher, not for me, if palace sign crouch Murray needs some game time .... Just returned to training!
I'd take him back for sure.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ulloa19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: We are being linked to Coventry's Leon Clarke![/p][/quote]He has scored 18 goal this season.[/p][/quote]I think that that will be a good move but would prefer becchio, sharp or somebody else like that with premier league experience. UTA[/p][/quote]Guy is 28, never played much higher, not for me, if palace sign crouch Murray needs some game time .... Just returned to training![/p][/quote]I'd take him back for sure. SMF20

10:35pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jockithenoo says...

Far gull wrote:
i luv my dog wrote:
hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.
Yes this is something i have been questioning all season. We have just had the wettest December in 30 odd yrs but yesterday one would of thought we lived in middle of sahara .
Suspect all officenardo's will say it allows ball to zip off surface but i do wonder if this surface is a tad too good at draining,certainly it does not cut up as bygone eras but is it at cost of injuries. Crofty injury i thought came in a collision ?
Re the injury it looked like he twisted as he turned from a tackle.
I don't know if he was wearing blades as they restrict you're movement when turning and are responsible for a lot of this type of injury.
Crofty get well soon and goods luck
WE MARCH ON
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i luv my dog[/bold] wrote: hard luck Crofty you have been a star all season. I think many injuries are caused by watering the pitch before a match at at half time. How many times to you see players slipping over or catching their boot in the wet turf. Can someone please explain why they water when it is already pretty damp from the weather.[/p][/quote]Yes this is something i have been questioning all season. We have just had the wettest December in 30 odd yrs but yesterday one would of thought we lived in middle of sahara . Suspect all officenardo's will say it allows ball to zip off surface but i do wonder if this surface is a tad too good at draining,certainly it does not cut up as bygone eras but is it at cost of injuries. Crofty injury i thought came in a collision ?[/p][/quote]Re the injury it looked like he twisted as he turned from a tackle. I don't know if he was wearing blades as they restrict you're movement when turning and are responsible for a lot of this type of injury. Crofty get well soon and goods luck WE MARCH ON UTA jockithenoo

10:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jockithenoo says...

Re the injury it looked like he twisted as he turned from a tackle.
I don't know if he was wearing blades as they restrict you're movement when turning and are responsible for a lot of this type of injury.
Crofty get well soon and goods luck
WE MARCH ON
UTA
Re the injury it looked like he twisted as he turned from a tackle. I don't know if he was wearing blades as they restrict you're movement when turning and are responsible for a lot of this type of injury. Crofty get well soon and goods luck WE MARCH ON UTA jockithenoo

10:50pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

kwaidam wrote:
markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality.
He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated.
A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad.
Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ).
I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one.
A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham.
While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: markbythesea says it as is and is 'more in the know' than most posters on here. The fact is he is largely right with much of what he says. It's just those with rose-tinted glasses fail to see the reality. He is certainly bang on about his assertion that the loss to the squad of Barnes, Croft, and soon Bridutt can not be under-estimated. A couple of other things. Oscar wanted to keep Barnes but the decision to sell was taken by 'others at the club' (his words) ie. Burke, Bloom. And while we can all see why it was done it has weakened the squad. Two, he coaching team were not happy with Lita's efforts in training. (even if he looked better on the pitch than Obika did yesterday who, frankly looked like a player who had come straight from Yeovil ). I want to see an Oscar signing, not a nathan jones one. A technical young striker from Spain please? Not a slow boat from Tottenham. While Oscar is never the most animated, and we like him because of that, he was even more subdued yesterday (crofty blow obviously one of the reasons) but I just wonder if he is starting to feel he should be being allowed to run things his way without chirpy nathan jones chipping in all the time? It's time for Bloom and Barber to back Oscar more. End of.[/p][/quote]Well said. Claude Back

10:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows.
Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.
Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple.
With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot.
LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger.
we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game.
If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated!
For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.
Another one who talks sense and doesn't just play to the gallery. Well done.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To anyone that is interested, yep we have needed a third striker for most of the season, can't deny that, but we got away with it, as our place in the top six shows. Single striker system requires us to have three strikers available, one on the park, one on the bench and one for back up. With the second half of the season in front of us we need to ensure we have those three, and not just any three. In Ulloa we have one, Obika gives us two for the next three months, we need a third. The Obika loan works if CMS can get to match fitness during the next three months and Obika can stay fit to play. My guess is that CMS has about two weeks to show the medics that he will be available by the time that Obika's loan ends and if he can't, perhaps we need to bring in two strikers before this window closes.[/p][/quote]Agree Vegas that we've spent most of the season needing a back up striker with injuries/suspensions and that 3 strikers would work for our system, but our position in the league is more down to our defence than it is playing with one striker, imo the single striker system will struggle to get us out of this division, other teams in this div play with 2 up front and score goals, score more than you concede and you win simple. With our superior defence we should be able to go with 2 up front and score/win more games without being exposed to much at the back, just a few more goals scored would have seen us with possibly 6 or more points than what we have now and be vying for an auto spot. LuaLua, Ince, Orlandi and Andrews in midfield with 2 up front would keep teams occupied, Lopez, March, Agustien, Jfc on the bench would give plenty of choice for any changes, If we keep Bridcutt and Buckley the choice is even bigger. we need pace up front and Obika has that and could play off Ulloa IMO, when Cms returns it gives us another option but a 4th striker is required, do we go young and develop or with someone established but unable to get a game. If Bridcutt and Buckley go for a fair price, with the funds from other sales and what was already in the kitty we could have £6/7m to spend and the choice for a striker then opens up, do we loan until season end or purchase in this small window when prices are inflated! For us supporters it's easy to discuss as it's not our money, but for those at he club, get it wrong and you could be out of work.[/p][/quote]Another one who talks sense and doesn't just play to the gallery. Well done. Claude Back

9:54am Mon 13 Jan 14

Always Albion says...

jockithenoo wrote:
Re the injury it looked like he twisted as he turned from a tackle.
I don't know if he was wearing blades as they restrict you're movement when turning and are responsible for a lot of this type of injury.
Crofty get well soon and goods luck
WE MARCH ON
UTA
Totally agree, I have just finished a long conversation with my good friend who was a top player many years ago and has also coached and managed. He and some of his old playing mates, one or two are household names from a few years ago are convinced that the combination of the "blades" and the quality of the pitch being so "lush", that the blades get entangled. Also I understand some pitches have man made fibre which I suppose makes all the more difficult to turn quickly. Perhaps the boot manufacterers should look into this!
UTA
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: Re the injury it looked like he twisted as he turned from a tackle. I don't know if he was wearing blades as they restrict you're movement when turning and are responsible for a lot of this type of injury. Crofty get well soon and goods luck WE MARCH ON UTA[/p][/quote]Totally agree, I have just finished a long conversation with my good friend who was a top player many years ago and has also coached and managed. He and some of his old playing mates, one or two are household names from a few years ago are convinced that the combination of the "blades" and the quality of the pitch being so "lush", that the blades get entangled. Also I understand some pitches have man made fibre which I suppose makes all the more difficult to turn quickly. Perhaps the boot manufacterers should look into this! UTA Always Albion

10:25am Mon 13 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.
I've just seen it (as did Mallorca air traffic control!) It was a beaut, wasn't it?
Excellent ,very funny thanks for the chuckle . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Not aimed at anyone in particular :0) ,but did you see puncheons ha ha penalty against Spurs ?.[/p][/quote]I've just seen it (as did Mallorca air traffic control!) It was a beaut, wasn't it?[/p][/quote]Excellent ,very funny thanks for the chuckle . UTA tug509

1:33pm Mon 13 Jan 14

lenward says...

Sad news about Andrew Croft, i'm gutted for him especially after the trouble he had last season. He was fast becoming player of the season in my book, good luck with your recovery Croftie see you in the premiership.UTA
Sad news about Andrew Croft, i'm gutted for him especially after the trouble he had last season. He was fast becoming player of the season in my book, good luck with your recovery Croftie see you in the premiership.UTA lenward

7:10am Tue 14 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...

Terrible news! I thought it was the same as Hoskins when he went down,
Club now need to step up and bring in two, we have the biggest gates and charge the most ... So if we are serious about promotion , then it's time to spend , we should keep bridcutt unless we get decent money for him,

'Time to spend' - yes if it's on a player who is really right for the club. We have a plethora of talent in the midfield - Augustiein is now fully fit and raring to go and JFC can make the same kind of impact as Ince if he is completely focused. Perhaps the club will renew it's interest in Goebel, he looks a highly accomplished performer on 'You Tube'. A coo head is required and in OG that's what we have.
mark by the sea says... Terrible news! I thought it was the same as Hoskins when he went down, Club now need to step up and bring in two, we have the biggest gates and charge the most ... So if we are serious about promotion , then it's time to spend , we should keep bridcutt unless we get decent money for him, 'Time to spend' - yes if it's on a player who is really right for the club. We have a plethora of talent in the midfield - Augustiein is now fully fit and raring to go and JFC can make the same kind of impact as Ince if he is completely focused. Perhaps the club will renew it's interest in Goebel, he looks a highly accomplished performer on 'You Tube'. A coo head is required and in OG that's what we have. B rian Tawses left foot

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