Bridcutt could still leave despite Crofts injury blow

Andrew Crofts

Andrew Crofts

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

ALBION boss Oscar Garcia says he cannot guarantee Liam Bridcutt will not be sold to Sunderland during the January transfer window.

Chairman Tony Bloom has stood firm so far, turning down a £2 million bid from Sunderland for the midfielder and a transfer request he submitted last week.

Albion’s midfield options were reduced yesterday when Andrew Crofts was ruled out for the rest of the season with a ruptured cruciate ligament suffered in Saturday’s 1-0 win over Birmingham.

But Crofts’ absence is unlikely to impact on Bridcutt’s future at the club.

A groin injury ruled Bridcutt out of Saturday’s game as they moved into sixth place, the first time they have been in a play-off spot in the Championship this season.

Oscar, asked whether he could offer assurances about Bridcutt staying, said: “I don’t think anybody can say that about any player, maybe Messi or Ronaldo, but all the other players have a price.

“But we want to keep him because he is one of our main players. He’s carrying a groin injury and he wasn’t 100%.”

Albion’s worst fears over Crofts were confirmed by a scan yesterday.

The six-goal midfielder stayed down after an innocuous attempt to tackle Birmingham substitute Reece Brown. He will undergo surgery this week with the target of being fully operational in time for pre-season in July.

Oscar, pursuing a striker to compensate for losing Ashley Barnes to Burnley, has now added a replacement for Crofts to his January shopping list.

The Seagulls’ head coach said: “I am very sad for him because he has been helping us a lot.

“He had a real desire to play all season because he didn’t play so much last season. He’s really been enjoying the training sessions and the games.”

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5:07am Mon 13 Jan 14

JoeBlow says...

Time to rethink that Brazilian. :)
Time to rethink that Brazilian. :) JoeBlow
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5:23am Mon 13 Jan 14

Hector66 says...

massive blow and is bridcutt goes, too, which seems all but certain, we will be left badly exposed in midfield. crofts been a revelation this season.
massive blow and is bridcutt goes, too, which seems all but certain, we will be left badly exposed in midfield. crofts been a revelation this season. Hector66
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7:15am Mon 13 Jan 14

brightonup says...

Either we have a quality player lined up and ready to sign, or Bridcutt stays until the end of the season. Simple!
Either we have a quality player lined up and ready to sign, or Bridcutt stays until the end of the season. Simple! brightonup
  • Score: 11

7:20am Mon 13 Jan 14

bbb1969 says...

I don't know if we need another midfilder. I wiuld agree in getting someone like crofts but that will be hard.
So Lopez, JFC, Orlandi, Augustien, Andrews and Ince.
The March, Lua Lua, Buckley for the wings and Orlandi and Lopez can occupy those poition as well.
My mainconcern is a striker and so we have Obika for a while but we do need a forward.
Conway and Mason coming in will be enough as I really don't think we can get another Crofts.
I don't know if we need another midfilder. I wiuld agree in getting someone like crofts but that will be hard. So Lopez, JFC, Orlandi, Augustien, Andrews and Ince. The March, Lua Lua, Buckley for the wings and Orlandi and Lopez can occupy those poition as well. My mainconcern is a striker and so we have Obika for a while but we do need a forward. Conway and Mason coming in will be enough as I really don't think we can get another Crofts. bbb1969
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8:24am Mon 13 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

So does Oscar know something we don´t?
So does Oscar know something we don´t? mikeygit
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8:58am Mon 13 Jan 14

kipper12 says...

a big loss with crofts injured . was playing a blinder in saturday ......

on a plus note , i bumped into ulloa in a shop yesterday , and he told me he is going nowhere !!!!! hope that wasnt **** !!!
a big loss with crofts injured . was playing a blinder in saturday ...... on a plus note , i bumped into ulloa in a shop yesterday , and he told me he is going nowhere !!!!! hope that wasnt **** !!! kipper12
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8:59am Mon 13 Jan 14

WooahWooah says...

mikeygit wrote:
So does Oscar know something we don´t?
I would think so, but there isn't enough space to spell it out in full.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: So does Oscar know something we don´t?[/p][/quote]I would think so, but there isn't enough space to spell it out in full. WooahWooah
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9:02am Mon 13 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Reading between the lines, bridcutt will go when Sunderland pay , maybe Sunderland want to pay over 20 weeks and collect there green shield stamps ! But I don't think it's far off!
We discussed at length yesterday the merits of the squad,mand while we can name ten players, none can replace the effect Barnes / bridcutt/ crofts gave the side
I would imagine conway will come if Cardiff seal either the ince lad from Blackpool or a loan player.
Mason is highly regarded at Cardiff , but at £600k with cms and Hoskins returning in next 6 months , we need to buy a player who is happy to sit on the bench.. I would try and get mason on loan till end of season ..
As for midfield who knows!
Reading between the lines, bridcutt will go when Sunderland pay , maybe Sunderland want to pay over 20 weeks and collect there green shield stamps ! But I don't think it's far off! We discussed at length yesterday the merits of the squad,mand while we can name ten players, none can replace the effect Barnes / bridcutt/ crofts gave the side I would imagine conway will come if Cardiff seal either the ince lad from Blackpool or a loan player. Mason is highly regarded at Cardiff , but at £600k with cms and Hoskins returning in next 6 months , we need to buy a player who is happy to sit on the bench.. I would try and get mason on loan till end of season .. As for midfield who knows! mark by the sea
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9:27am Mon 13 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Reading between the lines, bridcutt will go when Sunderland pay , maybe Sunderland want to pay over 20 weeks and collect there green shield stamps ! But I don't think it's far off!
We discussed at length yesterday the merits of the squad,mand while we can name ten players, none can replace the effect Barnes / bridcutt/ crofts gave the side
I would imagine conway will come if Cardiff seal either the ince lad from Blackpool or a loan player.
Mason is highly regarded at Cardiff , but at £600k with cms and Hoskins returning in next 6 months , we need to buy a player who is happy to sit on the bench.. I would try and get mason on loan till end of season ..
As for midfield who knows!
Box to box midfielders that are decent are hard to find, lower leagues perhaps, the established ones in the Championship will cost. Crofty must be distraught, back to his best and a great chance of going one better with us this season. I see we are linked with the Coventry striker Leon Clarke, anyone know much about him?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Reading between the lines, bridcutt will go when Sunderland pay , maybe Sunderland want to pay over 20 weeks and collect there green shield stamps ! But I don't think it's far off! We discussed at length yesterday the merits of the squad,mand while we can name ten players, none can replace the effect Barnes / bridcutt/ crofts gave the side I would imagine conway will come if Cardiff seal either the ince lad from Blackpool or a loan player. Mason is highly regarded at Cardiff , but at £600k with cms and Hoskins returning in next 6 months , we need to buy a player who is happy to sit on the bench.. I would try and get mason on loan till end of season .. As for midfield who knows![/p][/quote]Box to box midfielders that are decent are hard to find, lower leagues perhaps, the established ones in the Championship will cost. Crofty must be distraught, back to his best and a great chance of going one better with us this season. I see we are linked with the Coventry striker Leon Clarke, anyone know much about him? Alfie T
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9:36am Mon 13 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

Obviously, the newspaper's job is ultimately to sell newspapers!
They have a range of ways to do this with Albion stories... all of which involve carrying the fans on an emotional roller-coaster e.g. today we have
Seagulls dressed to thrill..... and....
Albion in top six but Garcia plagues by injury worries
The emotive language used is designed to get a reader both exulting and anxious all in a moment!
Let's just relax, enjoy the win and await what our management team have in store for us. After all, they have the power and responsibility over what happens - and know what is going on. We don't!
Obviously, the newspaper's job is ultimately to sell newspapers! They have a range of ways to do this with Albion stories... all of which involve carrying the fans on an emotional roller-coaster e.g. today we have Seagulls dressed to thrill..... and.... Albion in top six but Garcia plagues by injury worries The emotive language used is designed to get a reader both exulting and anxious all in a moment! Let's just relax, enjoy the win and await what our management team have in store for us. After all, they have the power and responsibility over what happens - and know what is going on. We don't! and another thing....
  • Score: 5

10:41am Mon 13 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

According to NSC we are looking at Lewis Grabban as well as Mason.
According to NSC we are looking at Lewis Grabban as well as Mason. Alfie T
  • Score: 2

11:25am Mon 13 Jan 14

Yogi says...

Football rumours site - Matt Richie who did look good against us.
Football rumours site - Matt Richie who did look good against us. Yogi
  • Score: 1

11:26am Mon 13 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Alfie T wrote:
According to NSC we are looking at Lewis Grabban as well as Mason.
I am looking ...at my screen.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: According to NSC we are looking at Lewis Grabban as well as Mason.[/p][/quote]I am looking ...at my screen. Claude Back
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11:28am Mon 13 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)
Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-) Claude Back
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11:32am Mon 13 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Claude Back wrote:
Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)
Claude, when did you get so cynical, you have been posting on here for a few years now, I'm sure I remember optimistic offerings from you?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)[/p][/quote]Claude, when did you get so cynical, you have been posting on here for a few years now, I'm sure I remember optimistic offerings from you? Alfie T
  • Score: 3

11:40am Mon 13 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Alfie T wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)
Claude, when did you get so cynical, you have been posting on here for a few years now, I'm sure I remember optimistic offerings from you?
Alfie, that was meant to be a joke.
Obviously, as I have said before, I am only 50% as witty as I used to be. I am now a half wit.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)[/p][/quote]Claude, when did you get so cynical, you have been posting on here for a few years now, I'm sure I remember optimistic offerings from you?[/p][/quote]Alfie, that was meant to be a joke. Obviously, as I have said before, I am only 50% as witty as I used to be. I am now a half wit. Claude Back
  • Score: 5

12:00pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Claude Back wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)
Claude, when did you get so cynical, you have been posting on here for a few years now, I'm sure I remember optimistic offerings from you?
Alfie, that was meant to be a joke.
Obviously, as I have said before, I am only 50% as witty as I used to be. I am now a half wit.
Nice one Claude, much more like it :-)
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Apparently my old friend Bobby Z has now racked up enough sick days to join the Albion. Expect him soon. ;-)[/p][/quote]Claude, when did you get so cynical, you have been posting on here for a few years now, I'm sure I remember optimistic offerings from you?[/p][/quote]Alfie, that was meant to be a joke. Obviously, as I have said before, I am only 50% as witty as I used to be. I am now a half wit.[/p][/quote]Nice one Claude, much more like it :-) Alfie T
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12:07pm Mon 13 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.
Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

12:12pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.
Or leaving the offer where it is, as Crofts is now out for the season? Think the only way Sunderland will pay more, is if there is interest from other Prem clubs.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.[/p][/quote]Or leaving the offer where it is, as Crofts is now out for the season? Think the only way Sunderland will pay more, is if there is interest from other Prem clubs. Alfie T
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.
I think you might be on the money here Vegas.

Sunderland had a good win on Saturday after a good win in the cup against MU.. They have just brought in left back Alonso on loan and are very close to signing an Argentinian double with both a forward and defender inbound.. There is rumour of a 3rd too.
With this in mind and should they continue to win games I personally think that questions will be asked by the Sunderland board, if Liam is required.

I've a feeling that if it doesn't happen this week, it won't happen at all if Sunderland win their next match.

What I do know is that I'd like it put to be done way or another ASAP.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.[/p][/quote]I think you might be on the money here Vegas. Sunderland had a good win on Saturday after a good win in the cup against MU.. They have just brought in left back Alonso on loan and are very close to signing an Argentinian double with both a forward and defender inbound.. There is rumour of a 3rd too. With this in mind and should they continue to win games I personally think that questions will be asked by the Sunderland board, if Liam is required. I've a feeling that if it doesn't happen this week, it won't happen at all if Sunderland win their next match. What I do know is that I'd like it put to be done way or another ASAP. SMF20
  • Score: 1

12:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Alfie T wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.
Or leaving the offer where it is, as Crofts is now out for the season? Think the only way Sunderland will pay more, is if there is interest from other Prem clubs.
You could be right Alfie, but I am not so sure that they will still want him if Poyet seals the deals he is currently negotiating, no matter who else comes in for Bridcutt. We might get to a point where Sunderland say, this is what we will pay take it or leave it. I wouldn't have a problem with that, if they don't meet our price then they shouldn't get him, but their need appears to be diminishing with every new signing they complete.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Poyet has been somewhat busy in the market, some deals done others pending, me thinks Bridcutt might end up being the last of his new signings, IF, they have any money left over from all the other deals. I am not convinced that they will meet the price we are demanding. The injury to Crofts might see Poyet up the current offer for Bridcutt, his thinking being that we need money to replace Crofts.[/p][/quote]Or leaving the offer where it is, as Crofts is now out for the season? Think the only way Sunderland will pay more, is if there is interest from other Prem clubs.[/p][/quote]You could be right Alfie, but I am not so sure that they will still want him if Poyet seals the deals he is currently negotiating, no matter who else comes in for Bridcutt. We might get to a point where Sunderland say, this is what we will pay take it or leave it. I wouldn't have a problem with that, if they don't meet our price then they shouldn't get him, but their need appears to be diminishing with every new signing they complete. VegasSeagull
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12:41pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Neville says...

FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.
FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP. Neville
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1:02pm Mon 13 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.
Neville when we hear of these debt figures they include money owed to the owners of the club, Brighton, in total, owe close to the same as Bolton.
The FFP is about reducing your weekly losses, we lost 8 million last year, the FFP requires us to lose less this year. The money we have borrowed from Bloom to build the stadium and the money for the new facility, does not come under FFP rules and I would guess that a lot of what Bolton owe doesn't either.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville when we hear of these debt figures they include money owed to the owners of the club, Brighton, in total, owe close to the same as Bolton. The FFP is about reducing your weekly losses, we lost 8 million last year, the FFP requires us to lose less this year. The money we have borrowed from Bloom to build the stadium and the money for the new facility, does not come under FFP rules and I would guess that a lot of what Bolton owe doesn't either. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DuncanThickett says...

As much as i want Liam to stay, and despite offers refused and transfer requests refused, it's inevitable that he is going, so lets just sort it out nice and early so we can spend the money.
As much as i want Liam to stay, and despite offers refused and transfer requests refused, it's inevitable that he is going, so lets just sort it out nice and early so we can spend the money. DuncanThickett
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.
If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop. and another thing....
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1:22pm Mon 13 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

and another thing.... wrote:
If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.
Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.
[quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.[/p][/quote]Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought. VegasSeagull
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1:40pm Mon 13 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
and another thing.... wrote:
If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.
Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.
...interesting!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.[/p][/quote]Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.[/p][/quote]...interesting! and another thing....
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1:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.
Neville when we hear of these debt figures they include money owed to the owners of the club, Brighton, in total, owe close to the same as Bolton.
The FFP is about reducing your weekly losses, we lost 8 million last year, the FFP requires us to lose less this year. The money we have borrowed from Bloom to build the stadium and the money for the new facility, does not come under FFP rules and I would guess that a lot of what Bolton owe doesn't either.
You would be wrong, Bolton made a £50M loss last season alone. As far as I am aware the Reebok Stadium was built 20 years ago and cost £25M, so it isn't going to be a major part of their debt.
£30M was the operating loss, £20M was trading losses, i.e. selling players for £20M less than they paid for them.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville when we hear of these debt figures they include money owed to the owners of the club, Brighton, in total, owe close to the same as Bolton. The FFP is about reducing your weekly losses, we lost 8 million last year, the FFP requires us to lose less this year. The money we have borrowed from Bloom to build the stadium and the money for the new facility, does not come under FFP rules and I would guess that a lot of what Bolton owe doesn't either.[/p][/quote]You would be wrong, Bolton made a £50M loss last season alone. As far as I am aware the Reebok Stadium was built 20 years ago and cost £25M, so it isn't going to be a major part of their debt. £30M was the operating loss, £20M was trading losses, i.e. selling players for £20M less than they paid for them. Baldseagull
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1:59pm Mon 13 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.
Neville when we hear of these debt figures they include money owed to the owners of the club, Brighton, in total, owe close to the same as Bolton.
The FFP is about reducing your weekly losses, we lost 8 million last year, the FFP requires us to lose less this year. The money we have borrowed from Bloom to build the stadium and the money for the new facility, does not come under FFP rules and I would guess that a lot of what Bolton owe doesn't either.
You would be wrong, Bolton made a £50M loss last season alone. As far as I am aware the Reebok Stadium was built 20 years ago and cost £25M, so it isn't going to be a major part of their debt.
£30M was the operating loss, £20M was trading losses, i.e. selling players for £20M less than they paid for them.
You are of course correct but the point I was making is that money owed to the owner is not what the FFP is all about, not when talking existing debt. The FFP, as it applies to losses is about reducing your football operations costs on a yearly basis, to get to where you are not losing money year on year.
We know that Brighton owe at least 130 million, stadium and new facility costs, and we can add the costs of expanding the seating numbers since the ground opened, but we only need to cut our operational losses by 3 million to comply with the FFP rules.
The FFP does restrict owners from lumping in money in the numbers that they have in the past, but it does not require clubs to pay back monies owed to the owner from past spending, if it did nearly all clubs would fold tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: FFP Bolton chairman not too worried about 150m plus debt...good old FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville when we hear of these debt figures they include money owed to the owners of the club, Brighton, in total, owe close to the same as Bolton. The FFP is about reducing your weekly losses, we lost 8 million last year, the FFP requires us to lose less this year. The money we have borrowed from Bloom to build the stadium and the money for the new facility, does not come under FFP rules and I would guess that a lot of what Bolton owe doesn't either.[/p][/quote]You would be wrong, Bolton made a £50M loss last season alone. As far as I am aware the Reebok Stadium was built 20 years ago and cost £25M, so it isn't going to be a major part of their debt. £30M was the operating loss, £20M was trading losses, i.e. selling players for £20M less than they paid for them.[/p][/quote]You are of course correct but the point I was making is that money owed to the owner is not what the FFP is all about, not when talking existing debt. The FFP, as it applies to losses is about reducing your football operations costs on a yearly basis, to get to where you are not losing money year on year. We know that Brighton owe at least 130 million, stadium and new facility costs, and we can add the costs of expanding the seating numbers since the ground opened, but we only need to cut our operational losses by 3 million to comply with the FFP rules. The FFP does restrict owners from lumping in money in the numbers that they have in the past, but it does not require clubs to pay back monies owed to the owner from past spending, if it did nearly all clubs would fold tomorrow. VegasSeagull
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2:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

the taffster says...

An ideal replacement for croft would be the Scottish midfielder who tore us to pieces in Barnsley's team.
An ideal replacement for croft would be the Scottish midfielder who tore us to pieces in Barnsley's team. the taffster
  • Score: 4

2:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

the taffster says...

Paddy mccourt
Paddy mccourt the taffster
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Vince says...

and another thing.... wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
and another thing.... wrote: If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.
Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.
...interesting!
I read a report this morning that Tony Pulis is interested in signing Bridcutt and also wants Dunne from Blackburn.
Like Norwich previously, Palace are starting to take a lot of our star players.

Regarding the need for another striker, I think we should be looking to buy rather than loan players like Joe Mason. If he does well for us Cardiff will probably take him back - that - or his price will go up. Look at Huddersfield - they have paid 1.3m for a quality striker in Wells of Bradford. His value will surely rise. Burnley took Ings from Bournemouth for £2m. He must be worth £10m by now. If these players had been loaned, they probably wouldn't stay, as the clubs loaning them would want to take big offers from a Premiership club.
[quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.[/p][/quote]Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.[/p][/quote]...interesting![/p][/quote]I read a report this morning that Tony Pulis is interested in signing Bridcutt and also wants Dunne from Blackburn. Like Norwich previously, Palace are starting to take a lot of our star players. Regarding the need for another striker, I think we should be looking to buy rather than loan players like Joe Mason. If he does well for us Cardiff will probably take him back - that - or his price will go up. Look at Huddersfield - they have paid 1.3m for a quality striker in Wells of Bradford. His value will surely rise. Burnley took Ings from Bournemouth for £2m. He must be worth £10m by now. If these players had been loaned, they probably wouldn't stay, as the clubs loaning them would want to take big offers from a Premiership club. Vince
  • Score: 1

3:28pm Mon 13 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Vince wrote:
and another thing.... wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
and another thing.... wrote: If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.
Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.
...interesting!
I read a report this morning that Tony Pulis is interested in signing Bridcutt and also wants Dunne from Blackburn.
Like Norwich previously, Palace are starting to take a lot of our star players.

Regarding the need for another striker, I think we should be looking to buy rather than loan players like Joe Mason. If he does well for us Cardiff will probably take him back - that - or his price will go up. Look at Huddersfield - they have paid 1.3m for a quality striker in Wells of Bradford. His value will surely rise. Burnley took Ings from Bournemouth for £2m. He must be worth £10m by now. If these players had been loaned, they probably wouldn't stay, as the clubs loaning them would want to take big offers from a Premiership club.
What you say makes perfect sense, it's always better to buy than borrow but we lost 8 million last year, we are planning to only lose 5 million this year. If we can stay on course re losses and still buy, then yeah go for it, if not, then loan deals are the only answer.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: If Bridcutt doesn't go to Sunderland soon, we may well see one or two Southern premiership clubs in jeopardy (Fulham? West Ham? Palace? - gulp...) take an interest towards the end of the transfer window. They need help and might consider him a useful acquisition in avoiding the drop.[/p][/quote]Last week I pondered the same question re other clubs taking an interest in Bridcutt, just take a look at the goal difference for those teams at the bottom end of the prem div, some of them are tragic. Why only Sunderland can see value in what Bridders can offer in terms of breaking down attacking raids surprises me. I did get one reply last week that suggested that these teams already have good central midfield defenders, the goal difference numbers seem to challenge that thought.[/p][/quote]...interesting![/p][/quote]I read a report this morning that Tony Pulis is interested in signing Bridcutt and also wants Dunne from Blackburn. Like Norwich previously, Palace are starting to take a lot of our star players. Regarding the need for another striker, I think we should be looking to buy rather than loan players like Joe Mason. If he does well for us Cardiff will probably take him back - that - or his price will go up. Look at Huddersfield - they have paid 1.3m for a quality striker in Wells of Bradford. His value will surely rise. Burnley took Ings from Bournemouth for £2m. He must be worth £10m by now. If these players had been loaned, they probably wouldn't stay, as the clubs loaning them would want to take big offers from a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]What you say makes perfect sense, it's always better to buy than borrow but we lost 8 million last year, we are planning to only lose 5 million this year. If we can stay on course re losses and still buy, then yeah go for it, if not, then loan deals are the only answer. VegasSeagull
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