Barnes: I didn't feel wanted so it was best to go

The Argus: Ashley Barnes joined Burnley last week Ashley Barnes joined Burnley last week

ASHLEY Barnes says he felt unwanted by Albion after claiming they only made him one contract offer.

The striker joined Championship rivals Burnley last week on a three-and-a-half year deal for a fee of about £750,000.

He would have been out of contract at the end of the season so the Seagulls decided to cash in rather than risk losing him for nothing in the summer.

Now Barnes has revealed his reasons for his move to Lancashire after four successful years on the South Coast and the contract issue instrumental in his departure.

The 24-year-old, signed from Plymouth for £125,000 in July 2010 following a profitable loan spell, helped Albion to the League One title in his first full season with 18 goals in 43 games.

Barnes scored 11 in 43 outings in the first season at The Amex back in the Championship and eight in 36 last season, when his appearances were curtailed by two red cards including one for tripping a referee.

Barnes remained a key figure right up to his departure under head coach Oscar Garcia following the summer sacking of former boss Gus Poyet for gross misconduct.

He scored five goals in 23 Championship appearances this season and Oscar depended on him to lead the line when Leo Ulloa was out injured for ten weeks.

Barnes told The Argus: “It was a hard decision to leave. I had been there for four years and I’ve classed it as home all the way along – I still do now really.

“But for security and from a family point of view I needed a fresh challenge. I’ve got my wife and our two-and-a-half year old, so obviously I need to look out for them as well.

“It had got to that stage in my life and it was too good to say no. We thought it was the right time to leave, with everything that went on and no contract (agreed).

“But I’ll go away with every happy memory of what I have done for that club. I’ve put them where they are today really.

“I got offered a contract in pre-season but it wasn’t right for me and my family and that was the only one they offered me. They never came back with anything else.

“That’s football and from then I needed to have a new challenge.

“How I felt was do they want me? I knew from the gaffer Oscar Garcia and Jonesy’s (assistant Nathan Jones) point of view that they wanted to keep me for a long time.

“I wanted to stay for a long time, I wanted to be there for the long haul. We were on a dream, a challenge to get to the Prem, and we just missed out last season in the play-offs.

“I’ve come to a great team at a great time of the year, with them sitting in second and pushing to get to the Premier League and that is where I want to be. Hopefully we’ll get promoted here.”

Barnes felt Albion’s offer under-valued his contribution and worth to the club. He finally jumped ship to Burnley after they had three bids turned down in the August transfer window.

He insisted: “It’s not about money, no chance. The move is about trying to get to the Premier League as quickly as possible. That is why I chose Burnley after speaking to the manager (Sean Dyche) and everything, because there was Leeds and Wolves as well.

“But I’ve made the right decision on footballing reasons, not about money. It’s not about money at all, or I would have stayed at Brighton, but it wasn’t right for me or my family.”

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11:10am Wed 15 Jan 14

SecondReserve says...

Oh, come on Ashley! Of course it's about money. If it wasn't he would have signed the contract offered here!!!!
Oh, come on Ashley! Of course it's about money. If it wasn't he would have signed the contract offered here!!!! SecondReserve

11:13am Wed 15 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Oh, come on Ashley! Of course it's about money. If it wasn't he would have signed the contract offered here!!!!
Not if it was only, say, a two year contract and he wanted more security (the word he actually uses)? It could have been an identical salary offered by Burnley, but 3.5 years is obviously more attractive.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Oh, come on Ashley! Of course it's about money. If it wasn't he would have signed the contract offered here!!!![/p][/quote]Not if it was only, say, a two year contract and he wanted more security (the word he actually uses)? It could have been an identical salary offered by Burnley, but 3.5 years is obviously more attractive. Ex-pat Arnie

11:14am Wed 15 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

But I’ll go away with every happy memory of what I have done for that club. I’ve put them where they are today really.

That's some claim, Ashley!

Also, if it's not about the money, then why not re-sign?

Obviously, we don't know the details of the Brighton offer - maybe it was a shorter term contract - but he's made a decision, he's gone, let's concentrate on who we're getting in.
But I’ll go away with every happy memory of what I have done for that club. I’ve put them where they are today really. That's some claim, Ashley! Also, if it's not about the money, then why not re-sign? Obviously, we don't know the details of the Brighton offer - maybe it was a shorter term contract - but he's made a decision, he's gone, let's concentrate on who we're getting in. AlanDuffy

11:16am Wed 15 Jan 14

farside says...

Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season. farside

11:23am Wed 15 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

He was wanted by the fans but not the heads of football,the Blues Bros wanted the cash for him.
He was wanted by the fans but not the heads of football,the Blues Bros wanted the cash for him. pjwilk

11:37am Wed 15 Jan 14

Iheartquestionmark says...

I really hope we get promoted and Burnley don't.
I really hope we get promoted and Burnley don't. Iheartquestionmark

11:37am Wed 15 Jan 14

fratsomrover says...

Fair comment from AB. i would imagine 99% of all pro footballers would settle for a three and a half year contract rather than a 12 month one, especially when you have a young family. Burnley are playing well and are ahead of Albion at the moment, so anyone dreaming of a shot in The Premier League would see they might have a better chance of achieving that with a team in Burnley's current position.
I wasn't an AB fan as I always felt he lacked the pace and guile and deadliness in front of goal to make it in the top grade, but I will nevertheless follow his career with interest to see how he fares.
He made a contribution to our past successes, so we'll always be grateful for that, but he was just one cog in the machine and I doubt he really means his comment " 'I’ve put them where they are today really. " . I for one feels that if we'd kept and played Glen Murray in preference to Barnes last season, we would have gone up with a top two finish. But we didn't and ultimately we failed because we didn't have that 20+ goal man that all promoted teams seem to have. There lies Ashley's limitations.
Fair comment from AB. i would imagine 99% of all pro footballers would settle for a three and a half year contract rather than a 12 month one, especially when you have a young family. Burnley are playing well and are ahead of Albion at the moment, so anyone dreaming of a shot in The Premier League would see they might have a better chance of achieving that with a team in Burnley's current position. I wasn't an AB fan as I always felt he lacked the pace and guile and deadliness in front of goal to make it in the top grade, but I will nevertheless follow his career with interest to see how he fares. He made a contribution to our past successes, so we'll always be grateful for that, but he was just one cog in the machine and I doubt he really means his comment " 'I’ve put them where they are today really. " . I for one feels that if we'd kept and played Glen Murray in preference to Barnes last season, we would have gone up with a top two finish. But we didn't and ultimately we failed because we didn't have that 20+ goal man that all promoted teams seem to have. There lies Ashley's limitations. fratsomrover

11:51am Wed 15 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related. SMF20

11:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

impose our game gull says...

Contract security is key and fair and best for all I suspect in this instance. Sometimes it is best to move on. With us he proved he can contribute significantly and even make a change for the positive to his temperament. His figures (especially if you also deduct all those freebies from penalties) demonstrate he is a lower Championship team player in terms of being a striker and it always felt he got in the right place often but was not anywhere near clinical. Burnley clearly something in him and if he makes the changes o up his game (still time to do so for him for sure) then he may do well, hopefully not at our expense. As a striker, figures wise though for us, never anything special. We still need a 20 a year+ striker to take advantage of all those opportunities - hopefully that will be Leo ....
Contract security is key and fair and best for all I suspect in this instance. Sometimes it is best to move on. With us he proved he can contribute significantly and even make a change for the positive to his temperament. His figures (especially if you also deduct all those freebies from penalties) demonstrate he is a lower Championship team player in terms of being a striker and it always felt he got in the right place often but was not anywhere near clinical. Burnley clearly something in him and if he makes the changes o up his game (still time to do so for him for sure) then he may do well, hopefully not at our expense. As a striker, figures wise though for us, never anything special. We still need a 20 a year+ striker to take advantage of all those opportunities - hopefully that will be Leo .... impose our game gull

11:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

mrgull says...

Good luck barnsey,,,Good Move for you and a good move for Brighton
Good luck barnsey,,,Good Move for you and a good move for Brighton mrgull

12:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Vince says...

To quote Barnes:- “But I’ll go away with every happy memory of what I have done for that club. I’ve put them where they are today really."

Now I know he has done a really great job for the Albion, always puts in a shift, has scored a fair few goals, and...to counteract the argument that he misses too many.... gets into some great positions - BUT the one area he does fail IMHO is in the close control and and accurate passing of the ball. In other words he does not appear to have Premiership quality. YES he would probably help us to get out of the Championship - but then like so many players - would struggle at the top level - where you have to score from the limited chances that you do get - or else have that extra quality, height, power, skill to cause premiership defences a problem (like Emile Heskey).

Barnes has been fantastic for the club - and will do a great job for Burnley as well. I'm not sure that I agree with his claim that he "has put us where we are today" though! I think a few other players (like Murray, Bridcutt, Buckley, Elliot Bennett etc) might have a bit to say about that !!!

To progress we need forwards with the potential to develop the skill of players like Bendeke, Lukaku, Defoe etc. Zamora of course had that ability and but for injury would have played for England. Peter Ward had that ability. We need to unearth a young player who has that innate skill and ball sense which Barnes doesn't have. I can remember many passes or crosses from the wing which were so heavily overweighted and inaccurate that I knew he hadn't got that quality of Ward and Zamora.

I think it's a good move for him - and I'm grateful for his contribution - but he never got my pulse racing like Ward, Zamora, Vicente and in the latter part of last season, Ulloa did.

Thanks Ashley, I wish you well - and I hope you do "cut it" in the Premiership if Burnley do indeed get there - but my predictions are for Leicester, Q.P.R. and Wigan/Brighton to get promoted.
To quote Barnes:- “But I’ll go away with every happy memory of what I have done for that club. I’ve put them where they are today really." Now I know he has done a really great job for the Albion, always puts in a shift, has scored a fair few goals, and...to counteract the argument that he misses too many.... gets into some great positions - BUT the one area he does fail IMHO is in the close control and and accurate passing of the ball. In other words he does not appear to have Premiership quality. YES he would probably help us to get out of the Championship - but then like so many players - would struggle at the top level - where you have to score from the limited chances that you do get - or else have that extra quality, height, power, skill to cause premiership defences a problem (like Emile Heskey). Barnes has been fantastic for the club - and will do a great job for Burnley as well. I'm not sure that I agree with his claim that he "has put us where we are today" though! I think a few other players (like Murray, Bridcutt, Buckley, Elliot Bennett etc) might have a bit to say about that !!! To progress we need forwards with the potential to develop the skill of players like Bendeke, Lukaku, Defoe etc. Zamora of course had that ability and but for injury would have played for England. Peter Ward had that ability. We need to unearth a young player who has that innate skill and ball sense which Barnes doesn't have. I can remember many passes or crosses from the wing which were so heavily overweighted and inaccurate that I knew he hadn't got that quality of Ward and Zamora. I think it's a good move for him - and I'm grateful for his contribution - but he never got my pulse racing like Ward, Zamora, Vicente and in the latter part of last season, Ulloa did. Thanks Ashley, I wish you well - and I hope you do "cut it" in the Premiership if Burnley do indeed get there - but my predictions are for Leicester, Q.P.R. and Wigan/Brighton to get promoted. Vince

12:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

So what Ash is saying is tat the amount of wages offered by Brighton were acceptable, but the length of the contract wasn't.
With Burnley he may have a longer contract but if they get promoted, which they might this year, does Ashly honestly think that he will play at the top level for the coming three years, no disrespect intended but Ashly, you are not a prem div striker. Six months to finish up this season and one year as a bench warmer and then you will be gone mate, unless Burnley get relegated after year one.

My guess is that he was offered maybe an 18 month deal, possibly two years, by Brighton, and if we get promoted this year he would have had his one year as a bench warmer with us.

Barnes says that this move had nothing to do with money, well Ash, it also had nothing to do with football either, you have already said that you would be happy to sit on the bench for Burnley, the back up role is ok with you. 'Headline, back up Championship striker comes good in the Prem,' really, is that what is going to happen.

This move is all about money, money and nothing else. I don't blame the guy for taking his chance to earn more, why not, but to say that money played no part in his decision is just not believable to me. Had he stayed he would have had the chance to improve under Oscar and if we get promoted he would have had his chance to prove that he could cut it at the top level, and proving that would have got him a new prem level contract.
So what Ash is saying is tat the amount of wages offered by Brighton were acceptable, but the length of the contract wasn't. With Burnley he may have a longer contract but if they get promoted, which they might this year, does Ashly honestly think that he will play at the top level for the coming three years, no disrespect intended but Ashly, you are not a prem div striker. Six months to finish up this season and one year as a bench warmer and then you will be gone mate, unless Burnley get relegated after year one. My guess is that he was offered maybe an 18 month deal, possibly two years, by Brighton, and if we get promoted this year he would have had his one year as a bench warmer with us. Barnes says that this move had nothing to do with money, well Ash, it also had nothing to do with football either, you have already said that you would be happy to sit on the bench for Burnley, the back up role is ok with you. 'Headline, back up Championship striker comes good in the Prem,' really, is that what is going to happen. This move is all about money, money and nothing else. I don't blame the guy for taking his chance to earn more, why not, but to say that money played no part in his decision is just not believable to me. Had he stayed he would have had the chance to improve under Oscar and if we get promoted he would have had his chance to prove that he could cut it at the top level, and proving that would have got him a new prem level contract. VegasSeagull

12:18pm Wed 15 Jan 14

MLEE says...

....Wanted !.....But not at any cost !!!
....Wanted !.....But not at any cost !!! MLEE

12:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

Good luck to Barnsey. I don't think he's the brightest bloke in the world, but I think we'd all be tempted by more job security. He may get to the Premier League with Burnley, but one thing's for sure he won't play much in the Premier if at all. Excellent League 1 player, decent Championship player, but Premier League? ......totally out of his depth.
Good luck to Barnsey. I don't think he's the brightest bloke in the world, but I think we'd all be tempted by more job security. He may get to the Premier League with Burnley, but one thing's for sure he won't play much in the Premier if at all. Excellent League 1 player, decent Championship player, but Premier League? ......totally out of his depth. Quiterie

12:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SecondReserve says...

The length of contract issue is interesting. If Burnley get promoted this season - and provided they keep Ings they could well do - they have got Barnes for another 3 years. Barnes did pretty well for us in general but I really don't see him as a Premiership player. I suspect one of the main reasons we only offer short term contracts to most of our players is that if we do get promoted in the next year or two the club knows perfectly well that very few of our current players will be good enough for the Premiership. As the teams who have gone up recently have demonstrated, getting promoted is one thing but if you want to survive at the top level you have to buy a largely new team.
The length of contract issue is interesting. If Burnley get promoted this season - and provided they keep Ings they could well do - they have got Barnes for another 3 years. Barnes did pretty well for us in general but I really don't see him as a Premiership player. I suspect one of the main reasons we only offer short term contracts to most of our players is that if we do get promoted in the next year or two the club knows perfectly well that very few of our current players will be good enough for the Premiership. As the teams who have gone up recently have demonstrated, getting promoted is one thing but if you want to survive at the top level you have to buy a largely new team. SecondReserve

12:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
Spot on with the ' Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.'
Always thought it was the Manager (Call him what you like he is still The Manager) that chose the players for the team. Seems to be to many fingers in the pie when it comes to player decisions.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]Spot on with the ' Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.' Always thought it was the Manager (Call him what you like he is still The Manager) that chose the players for the team. Seems to be to many fingers in the pie when it comes to player decisions. russellsnr2

12:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

"I've put them where they are today" - nothing like a good team player with no inflated ego!
"I've put them where they are today" - nothing like a good team player with no inflated ego! ColinPep1

12:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas,
Lots of guessing going on today re Barnes contract. If past records are anything to go by I believe Barnes was offered a one year contract,like a few others.The club don't want to commit until we know what league we will be playing in.
Bit uneasy about OG and NJ wanting him long term but DOF seems to be calling the shots obviously backed by TB,just hope we don't have conflict over this,the head coach should identify targets (like Poyet did) and advise DOF,I am not sure this is happening(Lita being the last example).
Hi Vegas, Lots of guessing going on today re Barnes contract. If past records are anything to go by I believe Barnes was offered a one year contract,like a few others.The club don't want to commit until we know what league we will be playing in. Bit uneasy about OG and NJ wanting him long term but DOF seems to be calling the shots obviously backed by TB,just hope we don't have conflict over this,the head coach should identify targets (like Poyet did) and advise DOF,I am not sure this is happening(Lita being the last example). Neville

1:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

tug509 says...

"I got offered a contract in pre-season ,but it wasn`t right for me and my family ,and that was the only one they offered me"

Why didn`t AB go back to the table and ask them to revise their offer,that is afterall what it is called Contract Negotiations ! i doubt very much that any player simply accepts the first offer.

UTA
"I got offered a contract in pre-season ,but it wasn`t right for me and my family ,and that was the only one they offered me" Why didn`t AB go back to the table and ask them to revise their offer,that is afterall what it is called Contract Negotiations ! i doubt very much that any player simply accepts the first offer. UTA tug509

1:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Vicente_1 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So what Ash is saying is tat the amount of wages offered by Brighton were acceptable, but the length of the contract wasn't.
With Burnley he may have a longer contract but if they get promoted, which they might this year, does Ashly honestly think that he will play at the top level for the coming three years, no disrespect intended but Ashly, you are not a prem div striker. Six months to finish up this season and one year as a bench warmer and then you will be gone mate, unless Burnley get relegated after year one.

My guess is that he was offered maybe an 18 month deal, possibly two years, by Brighton, and if we get promoted this year he would have had his one year as a bench warmer with us.

Barnes says that this move had nothing to do with money, well Ash, it also had nothing to do with football either, you have already said that you would be happy to sit on the bench for Burnley, the back up role is ok with you. 'Headline, back up Championship striker comes good in the Prem,' really, is that what is going to happen.

This move is all about money, money and nothing else. I don't blame the guy for taking his chance to earn more, why not, but to say that money played no part in his decision is just not believable to me. Had he stayed he would have had the chance to improve under Oscar and if we get promoted he would have had his chance to prove that he could cut it at the top level, and proving that would have got him a new prem level contract.
What a load of dribble! Its like any job he could break his ankle tomorrow and never play again... we clearly didnt give him long enough on our offer. He has a two and a half year old son of course security matters more to him! He even says if it was money hed of stayed which indicates he was on a high wage here! The club clearly didnt feel he was worth that money and just becausw og says he wanted to keep him doesn't mean he thought he was worth that wage!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So what Ash is saying is tat the amount of wages offered by Brighton were acceptable, but the length of the contract wasn't. With Burnley he may have a longer contract but if they get promoted, which they might this year, does Ashly honestly think that he will play at the top level for the coming three years, no disrespect intended but Ashly, you are not a prem div striker. Six months to finish up this season and one year as a bench warmer and then you will be gone mate, unless Burnley get relegated after year one. My guess is that he was offered maybe an 18 month deal, possibly two years, by Brighton, and if we get promoted this year he would have had his one year as a bench warmer with us. Barnes says that this move had nothing to do with money, well Ash, it also had nothing to do with football either, you have already said that you would be happy to sit on the bench for Burnley, the back up role is ok with you. 'Headline, back up Championship striker comes good in the Prem,' really, is that what is going to happen. This move is all about money, money and nothing else. I don't blame the guy for taking his chance to earn more, why not, but to say that money played no part in his decision is just not believable to me. Had he stayed he would have had the chance to improve under Oscar and if we get promoted he would have had his chance to prove that he could cut it at the top level, and proving that would have got him a new prem level contract.[/p][/quote]What a load of dribble! Its like any job he could break his ankle tomorrow and never play again... we clearly didnt give him long enough on our offer. He has a two and a half year old son of course security matters more to him! He even says if it was money hed of stayed which indicates he was on a high wage here! The club clearly didnt feel he was worth that money and just becausw og says he wanted to keep him doesn't mean he thought he was worth that wage! Vicente_1

1:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Lots of guessing going on today re Barnes contract. If past records are anything to go by I believe Barnes was offered a one year contract,like a few others.The club don't want to commit until we know what league we will be playing in.
Bit uneasy about OG and NJ wanting him long term but DOF seems to be calling the shots obviously backed by TB,just hope we don't have conflict over this,the head coach should identify targets (like Poyet did) and advise DOF,I am not sure this is happening(Lita being the last example).
Nev I have to think that Lita's arrival was a knee jerk reaction to what was perceived as a real need by us at the time. I can't imagine that Oscar chose him and who ever did, well let's hope he has learned from that mistake.

The only security Barnes has got from this deal rests on Burnley not getting promoted, they go up he goes out. Mason and Conway, both with Cardiff and both helped get them promoted, now both looking at the exit door. I guess Barnes would rather be paid off of a three and a half year deal than a one and a half deal we probably offered.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Lots of guessing going on today re Barnes contract. If past records are anything to go by I believe Barnes was offered a one year contract,like a few others.The club don't want to commit until we know what league we will be playing in. Bit uneasy about OG and NJ wanting him long term but DOF seems to be calling the shots obviously backed by TB,just hope we don't have conflict over this,the head coach should identify targets (like Poyet did) and advise DOF,I am not sure this is happening(Lita being the last example).[/p][/quote]Nev I have to think that Lita's arrival was a knee jerk reaction to what was perceived as a real need by us at the time. I can't imagine that Oscar chose him and who ever did, well let's hope he has learned from that mistake. The only security Barnes has got from this deal rests on Burnley not getting promoted, they go up he goes out. Mason and Conway, both with Cardiff and both helped get them promoted, now both looking at the exit door. I guess Barnes would rather be paid off of a three and a half year deal than a one and a half deal we probably offered. VegasSeagull

1:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

farside wrote:
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.[/p][/quote]yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board. AburridoEnTrabajo

1:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

the taffster says...

im guessing they only offered a 1 year contract........ther
efore who can blame him for moving for a proper contract deal.....good luck
im guessing they only offered a 1 year contract........ther efore who can blame him for moving for a proper contract deal.....good luck the taffster

1:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

i luv my dog says...

Barnsey was offered a one year contract because is not good enough for the premiership, he will be like a fish out of water. As said earlier his one touch close control is awful and this is what the premiership is all about. As for the financial part of a football club, managers, assistant managers and most fans have not got a clue, let people who know deal with that.
Barnsey was offered a one year contract because is not good enough for the premiership, he will be like a fish out of water. As said earlier his one touch close control is awful and this is what the premiership is all about. As for the financial part of a football club, managers, assistant managers and most fans have not got a clue, let people who know deal with that. i luv my dog

1:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
farside wrote:
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.
So if Burnley get promoted are you saying that they will keep him for the duration of his contract, you see Barnes as a prem level player? If they go up I don't think he has a hope in hell of telling his family, 'this is where we are going to be living for the next few years.'
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.[/p][/quote]yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.[/p][/quote]So if Burnley get promoted are you saying that they will keep him for the duration of his contract, you see Barnes as a prem level player? If they go up I don't think he has a hope in hell of telling his family, 'this is where we are going to be living for the next few years.' VegasSeagull

1:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Hovite says...

If a club offers a player a much better contract than you can't even come close to matching, you could as their employer and in their best interest say take it, it's a great deal.

Barnes has done well for us and now he has been rewarded, that is the phlosophy of the club, helping players through their career.

Why would we stand in their way, players move clubs all the time.
If a club offers a player a much better contract than you can't even come close to matching, you could as their employer and in their best interest say take it, it's a great deal. Barnes has done well for us and now he has been rewarded, that is the phlosophy of the club, helping players through their career. Why would we stand in their way, players move clubs all the time. Hovite

1:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Barney123 says...

"I've put them where they are today" Well Ashley, if you didn't get banned for nine games at the end of last season we may have been playing in a different division now.
"I've put them where they are today" Well Ashley, if you didn't get banned for nine games at the end of last season we may have been playing in a different division now. Barney123

1:39pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
If a club offers a player a much better contract than you can't even come close to matching, you could as their employer and in their best interest say take it, it's a great deal.

Barnes has done well for us and now he has been rewarded, that is the phlosophy of the club, helping players through their career.

Why would we stand in their way, players move clubs all the time.
Well we didn't stand in his way did we, he was sold and good luck to him. Right now we are standing in Bridcutt's way, but maybe blocking that one is ok as we are only blocking his move because of money.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: If a club offers a player a much better contract than you can't even come close to matching, you could as their employer and in their best interest say take it, it's a great deal. Barnes has done well for us and now he has been rewarded, that is the phlosophy of the club, helping players through their career. Why would we stand in their way, players move clubs all the time.[/p][/quote]Well we didn't stand in his way did we, he was sold and good luck to him. Right now we are standing in Bridcutt's way, but maybe blocking that one is ok as we are only blocking his move because of money. VegasSeagull

1:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

tinker111 says...

Barney123 wrote:
"I've put them where they are today" Well Ashley, if you didn't get banned for nine games at the end of last season we may have been playing in a different division now.
TOSH He was the main Man
[quote][p][bold]Barney123[/bold] wrote: "I've put them where they are today" Well Ashley, if you didn't get banned for nine games at the end of last season we may have been playing in a different division now.[/p][/quote]TOSH He was the main Man tinker111

1:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pte says...

The type of contract the club seems to favour is 1 year with an option to extend. So the player has no security and doesn't have the possibility of a Bosman at the end. The club only commit for for a short period but safeguard themselves from losing a player on a Bosman by retaining an option
The type of contract the club seems to favour is 1 year with an option to extend. So the player has no security and doesn't have the possibility of a Bosman at the end. The club only commit for for a short period but safeguard themselves from losing a player on a Bosman by retaining an option pte

1:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tinker111 wrote:
Barney123 wrote:
"I've put them where they are today" Well Ashley, if you didn't get banned for nine games at the end of last season we may have been playing in a different division now.
TOSH He was the main Man
If he was the, 'main man,' and some might agree with that statement, then doesn't that make his long ban even more important as suggested by Barney?
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Barney123[/bold] wrote: "I've put them where they are today" Well Ashley, if you didn't get banned for nine games at the end of last season we may have been playing in a different division now.[/p][/quote]TOSH He was the main Man[/p][/quote]If he was the, 'main man,' and some might agree with that statement, then doesn't that make his long ban even more important as suggested by Barney? VegasSeagull

1:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Eddy B says...

Strange how Barnes has created so much debate amongst the fans. Described as a marmite player I'm actually in the middle. Has been good and scored some good goals and I think has bulked out and strengthened this season - can strike on either foot and decent in the air. But on the other hand those 3 sitters he has missed in recent games! Don't think we'll miss him for too long.

Doubt Burnley will last the pace - think there are at least 6 better teams in the championship, us being one of them actually.
Strange how Barnes has created so much debate amongst the fans. Described as a marmite player I'm actually in the middle. Has been good and scored some good goals and I think has bulked out and strengthened this season - can strike on either foot and decent in the air. But on the other hand those 3 sitters he has missed in recent games! Don't think we'll miss him for too long. Doubt Burnley will last the pace - think there are at least 6 better teams in the championship, us being one of them actually. Eddy B

1:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
If a club offers a player a much better contract than you can't even come close to matching, you could as their employer and in their best interest say take it, it's a great deal.

Barnes has done well for us and now he has been rewarded, that is the phlosophy of the club, helping players through their career.

Why would we stand in their way, players move clubs all the time.
Well we didn't stand in his way did we, he was sold and good luck to him. Right now we are standing in Bridcutt's way, but maybe blocking that one is ok as we are only blocking his move because of money.
With Bridcutt he has another 18 months of his contract to run and we can afford to drag his move out until the 31st or when a better offer is made before that time.

Because of Poyet Bridcutt will get a good personal deal, but with Barnes this may have been the best deal he could hope to get. He is going to be better off but will be used more as a security blanket if Ings or Vokes get injured, or used in the last 10 mins.

If he stayed here and we got better strikers in he would be our backup, so we probably couldn't afford to pay him £12k plus? for that role, Burnley obviously can and in their position he is worth the money.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: If a club offers a player a much better contract than you can't even come close to matching, you could as their employer and in their best interest say take it, it's a great deal. Barnes has done well for us and now he has been rewarded, that is the phlosophy of the club, helping players through their career. Why would we stand in their way, players move clubs all the time.[/p][/quote]Well we didn't stand in his way did we, he was sold and good luck to him. Right now we are standing in Bridcutt's way, but maybe blocking that one is ok as we are only blocking his move because of money.[/p][/quote]With Bridcutt he has another 18 months of his contract to run and we can afford to drag his move out until the 31st or when a better offer is made before that time. Because of Poyet Bridcutt will get a good personal deal, but with Barnes this may have been the best deal he could hope to get. He is going to be better off but will be used more as a security blanket if Ings or Vokes get injured, or used in the last 10 mins. If he stayed here and we got better strikers in he would be our backup, so we probably couldn't afford to pay him £12k plus? for that role, Burnley obviously can and in their position he is worth the money. Hovite

2:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

A shame we couldn't stretch to a longer contract, but if letting Barnes go allowed us to sign Ince up for 2 1/2 years, maybe it was the best thing to do. I think though that Barnes WILL be included in Burnley's Premier squad if they go up, and he will get game time in the Premier league, he won't challenge Luis Suarez for top scorer but he will get a few, make a few and make the space for a few.
Without knowing all the details of each players contract, budget available and targets to sign, it is impossible to criticise the club on who is offered what deal, personally I trust Burke and his team to get it right most of the time and I am realistic enough to know that they won't always get it right.
Negotiating the contracts is a difficult job, Redknapp would just pay what he had to, but he has led 2 clubs into administration and I would not be surprised to see QPR hiting big problems financially, even if they go up this season, and definitely if they don't.
A shame we couldn't stretch to a longer contract, but if letting Barnes go allowed us to sign Ince up for 2 1/2 years, maybe it was the best thing to do. I think though that Barnes WILL be included in Burnley's Premier squad if they go up, and he will get game time in the Premier league, he won't challenge Luis Suarez for top scorer but he will get a few, make a few and make the space for a few. Without knowing all the details of each players contract, budget available and targets to sign, it is impossible to criticise the club on who is offered what deal, personally I trust Burke and his team to get it right most of the time and I am realistic enough to know that they won't always get it right. Negotiating the contracts is a difficult job, Redknapp would just pay what he had to, but he has led 2 clubs into administration and I would not be surprised to see QPR hiting big problems financially, even if they go up this season, and definitely if they don't. Baldseagull

2:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
A shame we couldn't stretch to a longer contract, but if letting Barnes go allowed us to sign Ince up for 2 1/2 years, maybe it was the best thing to do. I think though that Barnes WILL be included in Burnley's Premier squad if they go up, and he will get game time in the Premier league, he won't challenge Luis Suarez for top scorer but he will get a few, make a few and make the space for a few.
Without knowing all the details of each players contract, budget available and targets to sign, it is impossible to criticise the club on who is offered what deal, personally I trust Burke and his team to get it right most of the time and I am realistic enough to know that they won't always get it right.
Negotiating the contracts is a difficult job, Redknapp would just pay what he had to, but he has led 2 clubs into administration and I would not be surprised to see QPR hiting big problems financially, even if they go up this season, and definitely if they don't.
Yep it's a balancing act, it doesn't matter how many times you cut the cake, if the size of the cake doesn't alter. Our cake grew a little with the sale of Barnes and if that helped us give a larger slice to Ince then that's fine by me.
The question remains as to whether or not there are enough slices left to replace Barnes, I think there is as I don't think that we have consumed all that we started with when Oscar took over. I can't see Barber allowing all the work he has done to reduce our debt to be wasted by dolling out large slices of our cake, too much good work has been done to allow that to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: A shame we couldn't stretch to a longer contract, but if letting Barnes go allowed us to sign Ince up for 2 1/2 years, maybe it was the best thing to do. I think though that Barnes WILL be included in Burnley's Premier squad if they go up, and he will get game time in the Premier league, he won't challenge Luis Suarez for top scorer but he will get a few, make a few and make the space for a few. Without knowing all the details of each players contract, budget available and targets to sign, it is impossible to criticise the club on who is offered what deal, personally I trust Burke and his team to get it right most of the time and I am realistic enough to know that they won't always get it right. Negotiating the contracts is a difficult job, Redknapp would just pay what he had to, but he has led 2 clubs into administration and I would not be surprised to see QPR hiting big problems financially, even if they go up this season, and definitely if they don't.[/p][/quote]Yep it's a balancing act, it doesn't matter how many times you cut the cake, if the size of the cake doesn't alter. Our cake grew a little with the sale of Barnes and if that helped us give a larger slice to Ince then that's fine by me. The question remains as to whether or not there are enough slices left to replace Barnes, I think there is as I don't think that we have consumed all that we started with when Oscar took over. I can't see Barber allowing all the work he has done to reduce our debt to be wasted by dolling out large slices of our cake, too much good work has been done to allow that to happen. VegasSeagull

2:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Hovite says...

Baldseagull wrote:
A shame we couldn't stretch to a longer contract, but if letting Barnes go allowed us to sign Ince up for 2 1/2 years, maybe it was the best thing to do. I think though that Barnes WILL be included in Burnley's Premier squad if they go up, and he will get game time in the Premier league, he won't challenge Luis Suarez for top scorer but he will get a few, make a few and make the space for a few.
Without knowing all the details of each players contract, budget available and targets to sign, it is impossible to criticise the club on who is offered what deal, personally I trust Burke and his team to get it right most of the time and I am realistic enough to know that they won't always get it right.
Negotiating the contracts is a difficult job, Redknapp would just pay what he had to, but he has led 2 clubs into administration and I would not be surprised to see QPR hiting big problems financially, even if they go up this season, and definitely if they don't.
My sentiments exactly.

As a fan I wanted him to stay, but as the club and the player I can fully understand it's a good move for both. He gets more money with a chance of the Prem and we have some money to bring in three or four players for Oscar to coach and develop.

With the training academy the club has to think ahead whereas the fans will only have a view on the here and now.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: A shame we couldn't stretch to a longer contract, but if letting Barnes go allowed us to sign Ince up for 2 1/2 years, maybe it was the best thing to do. I think though that Barnes WILL be included in Burnley's Premier squad if they go up, and he will get game time in the Premier league, he won't challenge Luis Suarez for top scorer but he will get a few, make a few and make the space for a few. Without knowing all the details of each players contract, budget available and targets to sign, it is impossible to criticise the club on who is offered what deal, personally I trust Burke and his team to get it right most of the time and I am realistic enough to know that they won't always get it right. Negotiating the contracts is a difficult job, Redknapp would just pay what he had to, but he has led 2 clubs into administration and I would not be surprised to see QPR hiting big problems financially, even if they go up this season, and definitely if they don't.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly. As a fan I wanted him to stay, but as the club and the player I can fully understand it's a good move for both. He gets more money with a chance of the Prem and we have some money to bring in three or four players for Oscar to coach and develop. With the training academy the club has to think ahead whereas the fans will only have a view on the here and now. Hovite

2:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

EastWorthingExocetMissile says...

I think selling him for 750,000 after paying 125,000 for him represents good business, and not selling him for 500,000 in the summer has proved very wise. Brighton got every inch of talent out of Ashley Barnes in his four years here, but he is not a top quality championship striker and certainly not premiership. A tryer but no finisher, (some of his misses were unbelievable)which is required at the top level. He is not going to get any better at brighton so time to move on. The deal appears unbelievable good for Ashley Barnes and burnley are obviously very keen on him. So I don't blame him for taking it. Managers will always like Ashley Barnes because he was a tryer and does what he is told for the team. But if he ever does play in the premiership he will see how unforgiving that environment is for a forward who misses as much as he does. Nonetheless, I wish him him well and I reiterate a good bit of business for us, as long as we get a replacement in this January transfer window.
I think selling him for 750,000 after paying 125,000 for him represents good business, and not selling him for 500,000 in the summer has proved very wise. Brighton got every inch of talent out of Ashley Barnes in his four years here, but he is not a top quality championship striker and certainly not premiership. A tryer but no finisher, (some of his misses were unbelievable)which is required at the top level. He is not going to get any better at brighton so time to move on. The deal appears unbelievable good for Ashley Barnes and burnley are obviously very keen on him. So I don't blame him for taking it. Managers will always like Ashley Barnes because he was a tryer and does what he is told for the team. But if he ever does play in the premiership he will see how unforgiving that environment is for a forward who misses as much as he does. Nonetheless, I wish him him well and I reiterate a good bit of business for us, as long as we get a replacement in this January transfer window. EastWorthingExocetMissile

2:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I think most fan's would have liked him to stay and the same with his team mates. Realistically though because he didn't like the contract offer he had to go or else it was another Glen Murray situation. The men who control the purse strings have the last say and I'm in no doubt we'll get a better player or players in to boost our squad. Nothing in football or life for that matter stays the same these days and Ashley accepted that and so should we. Especially as we're going to be a top 2 club at the end of the season.UTA
I think most fan's would have liked him to stay and the same with his team mates. Realistically though because he didn't like the contract offer he had to go or else it was another Glen Murray situation. The men who control the purse strings have the last say and I'm in no doubt we'll get a better player or players in to boost our squad. Nothing in football or life for that matter stays the same these days and Ashley accepted that and so should we. Especially as we're going to be a top 2 club at the end of the season.UTA Joel'sGrandad

3:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I think most fan's would have liked him to stay and the same with his team mates. Realistically though because he didn't like the contract offer he had to go or else it was another Glen Murray situation. The men who control the purse strings have the last say and I'm in no doubt we'll get a better player or players in to boost our squad. Nothing in football or life for that matter stays the same these days and Ashley accepted that and so should we. Especially as we're going to be a top 2 club at the end of the season.UTA
Well said, JG - my sentiments entirely.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I think most fan's would have liked him to stay and the same with his team mates. Realistically though because he didn't like the contract offer he had to go or else it was another Glen Murray situation. The men who control the purse strings have the last say and I'm in no doubt we'll get a better player or players in to boost our squad. Nothing in football or life for that matter stays the same these days and Ashley accepted that and so should we. Especially as we're going to be a top 2 club at the end of the season.UTA[/p][/quote]Well said, JG - my sentiments entirely. Aye Aye

3:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Towner83 says...

" I've put them where they are today " Wow are you sure barnesy? You contributed for sure, no more & no less. A good move for all concerned me thinks. We can get a striker that's better suited to playing up top on their own and Barnes gets the 4-4-2 that he craves.
" I've put them where they are today " Wow are you sure barnesy? You contributed for sure, no more & no less. A good move for all concerned me thinks. We can get a striker that's better suited to playing up top on their own and Barnes gets the 4-4-2 that he craves. Towner83

3:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
farside wrote:
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.
So if Burnley get promoted are you saying that they will keep him for the duration of his contract, you see Barnes as a prem level player? If they go up I don't think he has a hope in hell of telling his family, 'this is where we are going to be living for the next few years.'
Burnley will have to keep him for the duration of his contract if they go up. They will probably loan Barnes out to a championship club though. From what I can tell, Brighton have bcome nervous about handing out long contracts (I wanted Ince to get a longer deal for example) and this may be down to having long term injuries like CMS and Hoskins to pay for, along with the problems escaping from Poyet's 5 year contract.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.[/p][/quote]yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.[/p][/quote]So if Burnley get promoted are you saying that they will keep him for the duration of his contract, you see Barnes as a prem level player? If they go up I don't think he has a hope in hell of telling his family, 'this is where we are going to be living for the next few years.'[/p][/quote]Burnley will have to keep him for the duration of his contract if they go up. They will probably loan Barnes out to a championship club though. From what I can tell, Brighton have bcome nervous about handing out long contracts (I wanted Ince to get a longer deal for example) and this may be down to having long term injuries like CMS and Hoskins to pay for, along with the problems escaping from Poyet's 5 year contract. AburridoEnTrabajo

4:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Jimmy Langley says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
Spot on with the ' Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.'
Always thought it was the Manager (Call him what you like he is still The Manager) that chose the players for the team. Seems to be to many fingers in the pie when it comes to player decisions.
I suspect that this was the real reason behind Gus falling out with The Albion.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]Spot on with the ' Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.' Always thought it was the Manager (Call him what you like he is still The Manager) that chose the players for the team. Seems to be to many fingers in the pie when it comes to player decisions.[/p][/quote]I suspect that this was the real reason behind Gus falling out with The Albion. Jimmy Langley

4:35pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Jimmy Langley wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
Spot on with the ' Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.'
Always thought it was the Manager (Call him what you like he is still The Manager) that chose the players for the team. Seems to be to many fingers in the pie when it comes to player decisions.
I suspect that this was the real reason behind Gus falling out with The Albion.
Completely agree
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Langley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]Spot on with the ' Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.' Always thought it was the Manager (Call him what you like he is still The Manager) that chose the players for the team. Seems to be to many fingers in the pie when it comes to player decisions.[/p][/quote]I suspect that this was the real reason behind Gus falling out with The Albion.[/p][/quote]Completely agree SMF20

5:06pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

A perfectly valid story from the Argus so no issues there, but...

He's gone and I wish him well although, as for the reasons, frankly, I couldn't care less.
However the decision was made - and who by - is not important to me. The club is on a 'journey' that's currently being well managed by who ever is driving the bus and if people don't like it, they can get off at the next available stop. And some have.
We move on.
A perfectly valid story from the Argus so no issues there, but... He's gone and I wish him well although, as for the reasons, frankly, I couldn't care less. However the decision was made - and who by - is not important to me. The club is on a 'journey' that's currently being well managed by who ever is driving the bus and if people don't like it, they can get off at the next available stop. And some have. We move on. Albion In Staffs

5:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

I guess we all realise that Oscar has nothing to do with the buying and selling of players,so Oscar has to mould them into a winning team and if things go wrong there is only one scapegoat and that is Oscar,the Blues Bros get away unharmed to cause more mahem.
I guess we all realise that Oscar has nothing to do with the buying and selling of players,so Oscar has to mould them into a winning team and if things go wrong there is only one scapegoat and that is Oscar,the Blues Bros get away unharmed to cause more mahem. pjwilk

5:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
farside wrote:
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.
So if Burnley get promoted are you saying that they will keep him for the duration of his contract, you see Barnes as a prem level player? If they go up I don't think he has a hope in hell of telling his family, 'this is where we are going to be living for the next few years.'
Burnley will have to keep him for the duration of his contract if they go up. They will probably loan Barnes out to a championship club though. From what I can tell, Brighton have bcome nervous about handing out long contracts (I wanted Ince to get a longer deal for example) and this may be down to having long term injuries like CMS and Hoskins to pay for, along with the problems escaping from Poyet's 5 year contract.
Loan him out to another champ div club, so uproot his family, again. They can also buy out his contract, he leaves by, 'mutual consent,' so he uproots his family again. There are no long term deals, just money, you get it because you are delivering or you get it because you have time on your contract and you get paid off.
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.[/p][/quote]yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.[/p][/quote]So if Burnley get promoted are you saying that they will keep him for the duration of his contract, you see Barnes as a prem level player? If they go up I don't think he has a hope in hell of telling his family, 'this is where we are going to be living for the next few years.'[/p][/quote]Burnley will have to keep him for the duration of his contract if they go up. They will probably loan Barnes out to a championship club though. From what I can tell, Brighton have bcome nervous about handing out long contracts (I wanted Ince to get a longer deal for example) and this may be down to having long term injuries like CMS and Hoskins to pay for, along with the problems escaping from Poyet's 5 year contract.[/p][/quote]Loan him out to another champ div club, so uproot his family, again. They can also buy out his contract, he leaves by, 'mutual consent,' so he uproots his family again. There are no long term deals, just money, you get it because you are delivering or you get it because you have time on your contract and you get paid off. VegasSeagull

5:42pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Yorkieseagull says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
farside wrote:
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.
I wouldn't want to be in his shoes when his missus realises what a dump Burnley is ....
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.[/p][/quote]yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't want to be in his shoes when his missus realises what a dump Burnley is .... Yorkieseagull

5:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

My take is that Brighton did not feel AB was one fo the future, and I fully concur, so lets move on please.
My take is that Brighton did not feel AB was one fo the future, and I fully concur, so lets move on please. Clean Sheet

6:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Slightly off topic--but strange how Jan got off to a flurry transfer activity and news now it has all gone quiet again---guess a lot of negotiations going on behind the scenes.
Slightly off topic--but strange how Jan got off to a flurry transfer activity and news now it has all gone quiet again---guess a lot of negotiations going on behind the scenes. mikeygit

6:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
farside wrote:
Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.
yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.
I wouldn't want to be in his shoes when his missus realises what a dump Burnley is ....
He won't live in the dump that is Burnley. There are some stunning rural areas very close by, with an affluent population and houses to match, where the likes of multi millionaires like Carl Fogerty, and extremely well paid players and senior management for Burnley and Blackburn live. All an easy drive from Burnley's training facilities.

Interesting, and not surprising to note that OG wanted him to stay. The Director of Football looks clever today if you take a bean-counting approach to football, but if he fails to land a quality proven finisher by 31st Jan then the joke will be on the Albion. He would have left the Albion with just injury prone Ulloa as our only decent forward, and could well make the February to May finale to this season a flat ending i.e. little hope of promotion.

As for the constant sniping about Barnes missing chances, the much adored (why?) CMS has made an expensive (£3.25m fee and wages to match .... thanks Poyet) habit of missing sitters for us in the Championship, as well as having little passing and control ability. But CMS is given a free rein by his many Albion admirers, apparently because he's always got time to sign autographs and has a friendly persona at meet the fans events. Double standards.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Longer deal then and his mind made up pre-season.[/p][/quote]yup. He's 24 with a young kid and wants to be able to say to himself and his family "this is where we're going to be living and this is what I'm going to be earning for the next few years". In football you are only an injury away from the scrap heap and it sounds like he's taken it on board.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't want to be in his shoes when his missus realises what a dump Burnley is ....[/p][/quote]He won't live in the dump that is Burnley. There are some stunning rural areas very close by, with an affluent population and houses to match, where the likes of multi millionaires like Carl Fogerty, and extremely well paid players and senior management for Burnley and Blackburn live. All an easy drive from Burnley's training facilities. Interesting, and not surprising to note that OG wanted him to stay. The Director of Football looks clever today if you take a bean-counting approach to football, but if he fails to land a quality proven finisher by 31st Jan then the joke will be on the Albion. He would have left the Albion with just injury prone Ulloa as our only decent forward, and could well make the February to May finale to this season a flat ending i.e. little hope of promotion. As for the constant sniping about Barnes missing chances, the much adored (why?) CMS has made an expensive (£3.25m fee and wages to match .... thanks Poyet) habit of missing sitters for us in the Championship, as well as having little passing and control ability. But CMS is given a free rein by his many Albion admirers, apparently because he's always got time to sign autographs and has a friendly persona at meet the fans events. Double standards. Withdean-er

6:39pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right. WisdomSpeaks

7:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Webley says...

Fair enough. Not a BHA player anymore and I couldn't care less about Burnley. I think the facilities will be a culture shock though. Great servant but excited by the money we will now spend.
Fair enough. Not a BHA player anymore and I couldn't care less about Burnley. I think the facilities will be a culture shock though. Great servant but excited by the money we will now spend. Webley

7:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.
I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts.
Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now?

The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.[/p][/quote]I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts. Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now? The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well. VegasSeagull

7:53pm Wed 15 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.
I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts.
Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now?

The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.
Question for Vegas (or anyone that might know the rules) on the Grabban 'trigger' clause. I gather that he has a £1m trigger clause in his contract. Does this mean that if we offered Bournemouth £1m they are obliged to accept it? Or does it mean that he is simply permitted to talk terms if that level is offered and Bournemouth can set any price they wish?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.[/p][/quote]I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts. Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now? The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.[/p][/quote]Question for Vegas (or anyone that might know the rules) on the Grabban 'trigger' clause. I gather that he has a £1m trigger clause in his contract. Does this mean that if we offered Bournemouth £1m they are obliged to accept it? Or does it mean that he is simply permitted to talk terms if that level is offered and Bournemouth can set any price they wish? albionbloke

8:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

As I understand it the trigger gives clubs the right o speak to the player, so as he has a 1.1 million trigger that is what the offer would be. The player can say no thanks, the club, I believe, can't block the sale due to price but may be able to insist on cash on the table, rather than any other payment method. Can a club set a 1.1 million trigger and then ask for double that sum, that would make the trigger of no value. Details, it's all in the details of Grabban's contract. I honestly don't know if his club can ask a whole lot more than the trigger price, my inclination is that they can't, but Grabban might have a further clause that says, 'you won't leave unless we get X as a fee, but you can talk to a suitor so long as they offer at least 1.1 million.
As I understand it the trigger gives clubs the right o speak to the player, so as he has a 1.1 million trigger that is what the offer would be. The player can say no thanks, the club, I believe, can't block the sale due to price but may be able to insist on cash on the table, rather than any other payment method. Can a club set a 1.1 million trigger and then ask for double that sum, that would make the trigger of no value. Details, it's all in the details of Grabban's contract. I honestly don't know if his club can ask a whole lot more than the trigger price, my inclination is that they can't, but Grabban might have a further clause that says, 'you won't leave unless we get X as a fee, but you can talk to a suitor so long as they offer at least 1.1 million. VegasSeagull

8:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
As I understand it the trigger gives clubs the right o speak to the player, so as he has a 1.1 million trigger that is what the offer would be. The player can say no thanks, the club, I believe, can't block the sale due to price but may be able to insist on cash on the table, rather than any other payment method. Can a club set a 1.1 million trigger and then ask for double that sum, that would make the trigger of no value. Details, it's all in the details of Grabban's contract. I honestly don't know if his club can ask a whole lot more than the trigger price, my inclination is that they can't, but Grabban might have a further clause that says, 'you won't leave unless we get X as a fee, but you can talk to a suitor so long as they offer at least 1.1 million.
Thanks Vegas....appreciate your explanation.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: As I understand it the trigger gives clubs the right o speak to the player, so as he has a 1.1 million trigger that is what the offer would be. The player can say no thanks, the club, I believe, can't block the sale due to price but may be able to insist on cash on the table, rather than any other payment method. Can a club set a 1.1 million trigger and then ask for double that sum, that would make the trigger of no value. Details, it's all in the details of Grabban's contract. I honestly don't know if his club can ask a whole lot more than the trigger price, my inclination is that they can't, but Grabban might have a further clause that says, 'you won't leave unless we get X as a fee, but you can talk to a suitor so long as they offer at least 1.1 million.[/p][/quote]Thanks Vegas....appreciate your explanation. albionbloke

8:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.
I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts.
Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now?

The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.
In answer to your Q Vegas, we don't... I don't think anyone has mentioned that.

What we do know IF Ash's interview is true (as per my earlier post) is that OG wanted him long term and that he was only offered a solitary contract.
I would keep someone at any cost as you suggest and so am in complete agreement there.

Who is to say though that with a decent Agent and a desire from both sides that something suitable for both parties couldn't have been sorted out.

My post was meant as an opinion on our DOF having a mandate that should possibly be with someone else... OG
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.[/p][/quote]I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts. Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now? The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.[/p][/quote]In answer to your Q Vegas, we don't... I don't think anyone has mentioned that. What we do know IF Ash's interview is true (as per my earlier post) is that OG wanted him long term and that he was only offered a solitary contract. I would keep someone at any cost as you suggest and so am in complete agreement there. Who is to say though that with a decent Agent and a desire from both sides that something suitable for both parties couldn't have been sorted out. My post was meant as an opinion on our DOF having a mandate that should possibly be with someone else... OG SMF20

8:34pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

SMF20 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term.

I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay.
OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes.

I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.
That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.
I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts.
Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now?

The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.
In answer to your Q Vegas, we don't... I don't think anyone has mentioned that.

What we do know IF Ash's interview is true (as per my earlier post) is that OG wanted him long term and that he was only offered a solitary contract.
I would keep someone at any cost as you suggest and so am in complete agreement there.

Who is to say though that with a decent Agent and a desire from both sides that something suitable for both parties couldn't have been sorted out.

My post was meant as an opinion on our DOF having a mandate that should possibly be with someone else... OG
I wouldn't even... Sorry
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: The biggest line taken from that interview for me was Ash saying that OG and NJ wanted him to stay long term. I'm my mind, if that's true then he should have been offered an improved contract to stay. OG is the main man tasked with coaching these boys and sees them day in day out.. Only he knows what they bring to the party in its entirety and thus only he should decide who stays and who goes. I really don't like the DOF being more powerful than the person who should be the main man in all things transfer related.[/p][/quote]That's 100% Correct SMF20 and exactly what I was trying to get across in my post under the 'Ashley Barnes recommends we sign Joe Mason story'. Sadly, I am concerned until this issue is sorted by Tony Bloom, and he's the only one who can sort it, we might find we lose a **** good manager and our club will never be run right.[/p][/quote]I would ask, how do any of us know whether or not Oscar wanted Barnes to stay no matter what it cost, that's a bit like saying that Sunderland want Bridcutt, at any price. Yeah Oscar would have preferred Barnes to stay but that is not to say that he would have thought it a good idea to offer what ever it took to keep him. The more you pay to one the less you have to pay others and in these days of FFP, every penny counts. Now I know that Oscar doesn't want Bridcutt to go but, dangle 4 million in front of him and let him know that more than half is available for new players, is keeping Bridders such a priority for him now? The Bournemouth manager wants to keep Grabban, if we put enough on the table his directors might tell him tough luck, it's the same with us. Burnley dangled enough money in front of Brighton to make the sale viable, and they offered Barnes a deal that made it viable to him too. It's all business, nothing more. Oscar has lost a forward but he will get a new one, maybe two and he already has Obika. Ince has been secured and we have a new lad for the DS. Coaches coach and suits do deals, so long as they are on the same page all is well.[/p][/quote]In answer to your Q Vegas, we don't... I don't think anyone has mentioned that. What we do know IF Ash's interview is true (as per my earlier post) is that OG wanted him long term and that he was only offered a solitary contract. I would keep someone at any cost as you suggest and so am in complete agreement there. Who is to say though that with a decent Agent and a desire from both sides that something suitable for both parties couldn't have been sorted out. My post was meant as an opinion on our DOF having a mandate that should possibly be with someone else... OG[/p][/quote]I wouldn't even... Sorry SMF20

8:34pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Gazza by the sea says...

If Oscar really wanted him he'd still be here.
If Oscar really wanted him he'd still be here. Gazza by the sea

8:48pm Wed 15 Jan 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

Oscar & Nathan would always tell Ashley they wanted him, they had to get the best they could out of him, what they really thought after he'd missed yet another chance, we will never know.
I wish him well, you can't fault someone who played for us and always gave everything.
Oscar & Nathan would always tell Ashley they wanted him, they had to get the best they could out of him, what they really thought after he'd missed yet another chance, we will never know. I wish him well, you can't fault someone who played for us and always gave everything. blue-eyed-boy

9:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Arsey baarns scoreda gole eepa um scoredag gole e geerio badumva bim bryton na goood
Arsey baarns scoreda gole eepa um scoredag gole e geerio badumva bim bryton na goood seegull fly in sky

12:12am Thu 16 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

It is being reported that Hibs are about to bid for Dickerson, could be another on the move. Apparently we are up for a loan deal or a sale if a re-sale clause is added.
It is being reported that Hibs are about to bid for Dickerson, could be another on the move. Apparently we are up for a loan deal or a sale if a re-sale clause is added. VegasSeagull

12:17am Thu 16 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

I am not understanding why we have not heard about Sunderland coming in with an improved offer for Bridcutt. With about 20 days of the window left there is still enough time to do a deal, but if we plan to use some of the money to improve our squad, Sunderland don't get the whole 20 days to make their minds up.

I guess it's possible that all kinds of talks are going on behind the scenes but as each day passes, I think it will become harder to let him go.
I am not understanding why we have not heard about Sunderland coming in with an improved offer for Bridcutt. With about 20 days of the window left there is still enough time to do a deal, but if we plan to use some of the money to improve our squad, Sunderland don't get the whole 20 days to make their minds up. I guess it's possible that all kinds of talks are going on behind the scenes but as each day passes, I think it will become harder to let him go. VegasSeagull

1:17am Thu 16 Jan 14

marksmith198000 says...

barnes gone, obika in...obika seems like the cheaper option, so normal of recent transfer policy:

bridge gone, ward in...

whats next, el abd gone?

its all to do with financial regulation blah blah blah bored of hearing this, leicester have a smaller average crowd and can attract a proven goalscorer in Kevin Phillips, whilst we attract Obika...what is going on?!
barnes gone, obika in...obika seems like the cheaper option, so normal of recent transfer policy: bridge gone, ward in... whats next, el abd gone? its all to do with financial regulation blah blah blah bored of hearing this, leicester have a smaller average crowd and can attract a proven goalscorer in Kevin Phillips, whilst we attract Obika...what is going on?! marksmith198000

7:10am Thu 16 Jan 14

There are seagulls in Islamabad says...

Cry baby. 'Ive put them where they are'...struth. Less missed open goal and we would be much better off. Sorry, he tried hard, but a good one to let go. Strikers score goals. He didn't. End of......
Cry baby. 'Ive put them where they are'...struth. Less missed open goal and we would be much better off. Sorry, he tried hard, but a good one to let go. Strikers score goals. He didn't. End of...... There are seagulls in Islamabad

9:51am Thu 16 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

marksmith198000 wrote:
barnes gone, obika in...obika seems like the cheaper option, so normal of recent transfer policy:

bridge gone, ward in...

whats next, el abd gone?

its all to do with financial regulation blah blah blah bored of hearing this, leicester have a smaller average crowd and can attract a proven goalscorer in Kevin Phillips, whilst we attract Obika...what is going on?!
I love it when people say "what is going on?" with regard to finances, but are "bored of hearing about financial regulation".

If you're bored of the answer, stop asking the question.
[quote][p][bold]marksmith198000[/bold] wrote: barnes gone, obika in...obika seems like the cheaper option, so normal of recent transfer policy: bridge gone, ward in... whats next, el abd gone? its all to do with financial regulation blah blah blah bored of hearing this, leicester have a smaller average crowd and can attract a proven goalscorer in Kevin Phillips, whilst we attract Obika...what is going on?![/p][/quote]I love it when people say "what is going on?" with regard to finances, but are "bored of hearing about financial regulation". If you're bored of the answer, stop asking the question. Ex-pat Arnie

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