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Transfer window watch (Updated 5.30pm): Albion talks with Grabban ongoing

The Argus: Lewis Grabban. No deal has been struck yet by Albion for the Bournemouth marksman. Lewis Grabban. No deal has been struck yet by Albion for the Bournemouth marksman.

Albion's £1.1 million move for Bournemouth striker Lewis Grabban is in the melting pot.

The Seagulls are still in talks with Grabban over personal terms.

No agreement has been reached yet and the player is believed to have returned to Bournemouth for the time being amid speculation that Reading are also now interested.

A number of other Championship clubs, including Leicester, Nottingham Forest and QPR, are also understood to be monitoring developments but The Argus understands Albion remain Grabban's preferred destination.

Meanwhile, the Seagulls final game of the season at Nottingham Forest on Saturday May 3 will kick-off at 12.15pm.

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9:44am Fri 17 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing!
If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 1

9:45am Fri 17 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

and the hold up is..........
and the hold up is.......... and another thing....
  • Score: 1

9:45am Fri 17 Jan 14

farside says...

Hmmm.......
Hmmm....... farside
  • Score: -1

9:49am Fri 17 Jan 14

brianw52 says...

Not looking good.
Not looking good. brianw52
  • Score: -1

9:50am Fri 17 Jan 14

heathgate says...

Translated, that means he has a few other offers to consider,.... QPR?
Translated, that means he has a few other offers to consider,.... QPR? heathgate
  • Score: 2

9:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

heathgate says...

I bet he headed up the A23,... not down the A27.
I bet he headed up the A23,... not down the A27. heathgate
  • Score: 5

9:56am Fri 17 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel. russellsnr2
  • Score: 3

10:00am Fri 17 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

For "ongoing" I read "protracted" and it would seem that personal terms couldn't be agreed. If Grabban has returned home, presumably to think about it, I would see that as an opportunity for others to come in for him with a better deal.
For "ongoing" I read "protracted" and it would seem that personal terms couldn't be agreed. If Grabban has returned home, presumably to think about it, I would see that as an opportunity for others to come in for him with a better deal. Aye Aye
  • Score: 8

10:01am Fri 17 Jan 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Time to get on the blower to Mason or A.N.Other then, while giving Grabban 24 hours to make his mind up.
Time to get on the blower to Mason or A.N.Other then, while giving Grabban 24 hours to make his mind up. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 8

10:09am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

UNDERWHELMED!!! 13 goals in 47 appearances in division 1 with Bournemouth does not excite me. £1.1m for a workhorse is too much to pay - and not the sort of player we should be going for. his strike rate is poor - and tellingly the Bournemouth posters on our messageboard indicated he only converts1 in 10 chances. Reading between the lines, they wouldn't be too disappointed to lose him!!!!
He has been used in a lone striker role - hence the reason why Brighton are interested in signing him - but we should be looking to bring in players with more quality and technical abilty.
UNDERWHELMED!!! 13 goals in 47 appearances in division 1 with Bournemouth does not excite me. £1.1m for a workhorse is too much to pay - and not the sort of player we should be going for. his strike rate is poor - and tellingly the Bournemouth posters on our messageboard indicated he only converts1 in 10 chances. Reading between the lines, they wouldn't be too disappointed to lose him!!!! He has been used in a lone striker role - hence the reason why Brighton are interested in signing him - but we should be looking to bring in players with more quality and technical abilty. Vince
  • Score: 18

10:12am Fri 17 Jan 14

molbol says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. molbol
  • Score: 61

10:13am Fri 17 Jan 14

Lord Hamilton says...

heathgate wrote:
I bet he headed up the A23,... not down the A27.
I bet he didn't head up the A23 based on my journey thus morning!!!
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: I bet he headed up the A23,... not down the A27.[/p][/quote]I bet he didn't head up the A23 based on my journey thus morning!!! Lord Hamilton
  • Score: 10

10:14am Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Vince wrote:
UNDERWHELMED!!! 13 goals in 47 appearances in division 1 with Bournemouth does not excite me. £1.1m for a workhorse is too much to pay - and not the sort of player we should be going for. his strike rate is poor - and tellingly the Bournemouth posters on our messageboard indicated he only converts1 in 10 chances. Reading between the lines, they wouldn't be too disappointed to lose him!!!!
He has been used in a lone striker role - hence the reason why Brighton are interested in signing him - but we should be looking to bring in players with more quality and technical abilty.
Unless one of the posters is a statistician I would take that "1 in 10" quote with a bucket of salt. Also it is amazing what a low percentage of chances are converted even by world class strikers.

Sour grapes.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: UNDERWHELMED!!! 13 goals in 47 appearances in division 1 with Bournemouth does not excite me. £1.1m for a workhorse is too much to pay - and not the sort of player we should be going for. his strike rate is poor - and tellingly the Bournemouth posters on our messageboard indicated he only converts1 in 10 chances. Reading between the lines, they wouldn't be too disappointed to lose him!!!! He has been used in a lone striker role - hence the reason why Brighton are interested in signing him - but we should be looking to bring in players with more quality and technical abilty.[/p][/quote]Unless one of the posters is a statistician I would take that "1 in 10" quote with a bucket of salt. Also it is amazing what a low percentage of chances are converted even by world class strikers. Sour grapes. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

10:20am Fri 17 Jan 14

farside says...

Sadly I think molbol is right. As fans football is our passion but for most players nowadays it is no more than a paypacket and perhaps the key to a celebrity lifestyle.
For those looking to Mason (and Conway) I have it on reasonable authority that Cardiff are reluctant to think about a deal until after their cup tie with Bolton.
Sadly I think molbol is right. As fans football is our passion but for most players nowadays it is no more than a paypacket and perhaps the key to a celebrity lifestyle. For those looking to Mason (and Conway) I have it on reasonable authority that Cardiff are reluctant to think about a deal until after their cup tie with Bolton. farside
  • Score: 6

10:20am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor.

Palace 0+13 app 1 goal
Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals
Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals
Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals
Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals
Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals
Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals

Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really!

LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY!
Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor. Palace 0+13 app 1 goal Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really! LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY! Vince
  • Score: 14

10:23am Fri 17 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Like most on here, I have no idea whether this is likely to happen or not, but I do know that talk of this 'dragging on' and 'not looking good is very naive.
Transfers that are conducted away from public gaze until completion, can take several days - even weeks - but because this is common knowledge (thanks, no doubt to an active agent looking to maximise opportunity) the perception is it's either dragging or not going to happen.
Actually, it may not 'happen' in our favour, but the timescale is irrelevant when shaping opinion.
Like most on here, I have no idea whether this is likely to happen or not, but I do know that talk of this 'dragging on' and 'not looking good is very naive. Transfers that are conducted away from public gaze until completion, can take several days - even weeks - but because this is common knowledge (thanks, no doubt to an active agent looking to maximise opportunity) the perception is it's either dragging or not going to happen. Actually, it may not 'happen' in our favour, but the timescale is irrelevant when shaping opinion. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

10:26am Fri 17 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps. Alfie T
  • Score: 9

10:29am Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
I'm guessing that new contract was as much for the benefit of the club as the player. And it is not the player's fault if teams keep on buying him, unless every single transfer has been instigated by the player himself?
[quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that new contract was as much for the benefit of the club as the player. And it is not the player's fault if teams keep on buying him, unless every single transfer has been instigated by the player himself? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -3

10:29am Fri 17 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

Vince wrote:
Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor.

Palace 0+13 app 1 goal
Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals
Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals
Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals
Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals
Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals
Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals

Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really!

LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY!
What you saying.......he's money grabban?
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor. Palace 0+13 app 1 goal Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really! LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY![/p][/quote]What you saying.......he's money grabban? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 17

10:33am Fri 17 Jan 14

Neville says...

This starting to smack of mismanagement again, we let 2 of our core players go and now have Crofts out for the season and are now playing catch up in trying to regain some credibility.Lets hope this doesn't result in another 'Dobbie' panick buy. Crucial time in the season now and not the time to be losing players,we should be strengthening not weakening.
This starting to smack of mismanagement again, we let 2 of our core players go and now have Crofts out for the season and are now playing catch up in trying to regain some credibility.Lets hope this doesn't result in another 'Dobbie' panick buy. Crucial time in the season now and not the time to be losing players,we should be strengthening not weakening. Neville
  • Score: -21

10:35am Fri 17 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

You can certainly question his commitment to Bournemouth by having the clause inserted in the first place, given that the fee is not much above what his market value would be and that he's only just signed the new contract with Bournemouth. Maybe money is his motivation. He has some qualities but can also be frustrating to watch. May be worth moving on to Joe Mason.
You can certainly question his commitment to Bournemouth by having the clause inserted in the first place, given that the fee is not much above what his market value would be and that he's only just signed the new contract with Bournemouth. Maybe money is his motivation. He has some qualities but can also be frustrating to watch. May be worth moving on to Joe Mason. ColinPep1
  • Score: 4

10:36am Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

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. BomoSam
  • Score: 11

10:43am Fri 17 Jan 14

farside says...

BomoSam wrote:
.
Possibly the wisest quote of the day
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: .[/p][/quote]Possibly the wisest quote of the day farside
  • Score: 8

10:45am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

BomoSam wrote:
.
Not a lot!
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: .[/p][/quote]Not a lot! Vince
  • Score: 2

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Alfie T wrote:
molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.
Can't agree.
The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different.
Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex.
"Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back."
Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands.
It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.[/p][/quote]Can't agree. The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different. Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex. "Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back." Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands. It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time.

I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.
He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November. BomoSam
  • Score: 3

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

farside wrote:
BomoSam wrote: .
Possibly the wisest quote of the day
Yes ...much ado about nothing!
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: .[/p][/quote]Possibly the wisest quote of the day[/p][/quote]Yes ...much ado about nothing! Vince
  • Score: 0

10:48am Fri 17 Jan 14

impose our game gull says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing!
Telephone?
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing![/p][/quote]Telephone? impose our game gull
  • Score: 5

10:49am Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

farside wrote:
BomoSam wrote: .
Possibly the wisest quote of the day
" "
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: .[/p][/quote]Possibly the wisest quote of the day[/p][/quote]" " BomoSam
  • Score: 0

10:50am Fri 17 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

impose our game gull wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing!
Telephone?
Agent?
Player meets potential employers. He likes them, they like him, agent stays behind to crunch the numbers.
[quote][p][bold]impose our game gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing![/p][/quote]Telephone?[/p][/quote]Agent? Player meets potential employers. He likes them, they like him, agent stays behind to crunch the numbers. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

10:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

BomoSam wrote:
He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.
His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus.

Are you his agent by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.[/p][/quote]His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance? Vince
  • Score: 4

10:53am Fri 17 Jan 14

molbol says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.
Can't agree.
The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different.
Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex.
"Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back."
Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands.
It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.
Good analogy - to a degree. However, I doubt the Corporate Exec from Dorset would have worked for 8 different companies spread all over England (and Scotland) by the time he was 26.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.[/p][/quote]Can't agree. The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different. Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex. "Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back." Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands. It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.[/p][/quote]Good analogy - to a degree. However, I doubt the Corporate Exec from Dorset would have worked for 8 different companies spread all over England (and Scotland) by the time he was 26. molbol
  • Score: 1

10:53am Fri 17 Jan 14

N Smith says...

molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
I personally want him to leave us for Brighton .1.1 million is a very good deal for a average player.Brighton fans should count themselves lucky they have not wasted 1 million.
[quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]I personally want him to leave us for Brighton .1.1 million is a very good deal for a average player.Brighton fans should count themselves lucky they have not wasted 1 million. N Smith
  • Score: -3

10:56am Fri 17 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

molbol wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.
Can't agree.
The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different.
Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex.
"Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back."
Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands.
It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.
Good analogy - to a degree. However, I doubt the Corporate Exec from Dorset would have worked for 8 different companies spread all over England (and Scotland) by the time he was 26.
See your point, although that's where football IS different. It's just the decision making process which remains the same because its the human element...
[quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.[/p][/quote]Can't agree. The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different. Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex. "Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back." Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands. It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.[/p][/quote]Good analogy - to a degree. However, I doubt the Corporate Exec from Dorset would have worked for 8 different companies spread all over England (and Scotland) by the time he was 26.[/p][/quote]See your point, although that's where football IS different. It's just the decision making process which remains the same because its the human element... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

10:58am Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

Vince wrote:
BomoSam wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.
His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance?
I wouldn't call him a "HOTSHOT" either, he's far from prolific but judging by this season alone he is a decent striker at this level who's capable of bagging a few goals when in form. Prior to this season I had doubts whether he could make the step up as he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season.

Yes I am his agent, figured this is the way to broker a good deal for my client as I assume the Brighton board use these comments instead of their own scouts to judge a player's worth.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.[/p][/quote]His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't call him a "HOTSHOT" either, he's far from prolific but judging by this season alone he is a decent striker at this level who's capable of bagging a few goals when in form. Prior to this season I had doubts whether he could make the step up as he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season. Yes I am his agent, figured this is the way to broker a good deal for my client as I assume the Brighton board use these comments instead of their own scouts to judge a player's worth. BomoSam
  • Score: 1

11:05am Fri 17 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Maybe he is happy where he is, and so is pushing his luck just a bit more than he would do otherwise. Not fussed either way, he will do a job but he ain't the next Zamora.
Maybe he is happy where he is, and so is pushing his luck just a bit more than he would do otherwise. Not fussed either way, he will do a job but he ain't the next Zamora. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

11:06am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

BomoSam wrote:
Vince wrote:
BomoSam wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.
His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance?
I wouldn't call him a "HOTSHOT" either, he's far from prolific but judging by this season alone he is a decent striker at this level who's capable of bagging a few goals when in form. Prior to this season I had doubts whether he could make the step up as he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season. Yes I am his agent, figured this is the way to broker a good deal for my client as I assume the Brighton board use these comments instead of their own scouts to judge a player's worth.
Your comment that:- he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season - is a telling one, and in my opinion doesn't bode well as it would indicate that he needs to maintain his motivation to play well.
His great form at the start of this season - with about 7 goals in the first 10 or so games - but not a lot since then - also demonstrates the same thing.

I would prefer we go for Joe Mason - as half the price, younger and more experience at a higher level.
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.[/p][/quote]His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't call him a "HOTSHOT" either, he's far from prolific but judging by this season alone he is a decent striker at this level who's capable of bagging a few goals when in form. Prior to this season I had doubts whether he could make the step up as he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season. Yes I am his agent, figured this is the way to broker a good deal for my client as I assume the Brighton board use these comments instead of their own scouts to judge a player's worth.[/p][/quote]Your comment that:- he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season - is a telling one, and in my opinion doesn't bode well as it would indicate that he needs to maintain his motivation to play well. His great form at the start of this season - with about 7 goals in the first 10 or so games - but not a lot since then - also demonstrates the same thing. I would prefer we go for Joe Mason - as half the price, younger and more experience at a higher level. Vince
  • Score: 8

11:10am Fri 17 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands.

It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause.

Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time?

Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.
Can't agree.
The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different.
Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex.
"Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back."
Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands.
It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.
No change there then.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]Yes agree, it just smacks of greed and we don't need a player who is not committed to our club and the game. Turn our attention to Mason now perhaps.[/p][/quote]Can't agree. The fact he's a footballer doesn't make the decision making any different. Corporate Exec in Dorset is offered a chance of a bigger job in Sussex. "Yes dear, it sounds a great opportunity, but let's see what they've got to say and we can discuss it when I get back." Corporate Exec visits, returns to Dorset and takes a little time to decide. He may even have a counter offer on the table from someone in the midlands. It doesn't make him greedy or lacking in commitment and neither should that errant logic be applied to a footballer.[/p][/quote]No change there then. Alfie T
  • Score: -1

11:10am Fri 17 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Get rid of him now-obvious he is not committed -time for Albion to turn their attention elsewhere!
Get rid of him now-obvious he is not committed -time for Albion to turn their attention elsewhere! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 5

11:12am Fri 17 Jan 14

N Smith says...

Rumours at our end Qpr are now in for him,although he has turned up for training this morning
Rumours at our end Qpr are now in for him,although he has turned up for training this morning N Smith
  • Score: 3

11:15am Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

Vince wrote:
BomoSam wrote:
Vince wrote:
BomoSam wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.
His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance?
I wouldn't call him a "HOTSHOT" either, he's far from prolific but judging by this season alone he is a decent striker at this level who's capable of bagging a few goals when in form. Prior to this season I had doubts whether he could make the step up as he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season. Yes I am his agent, figured this is the way to broker a good deal for my client as I assume the Brighton board use these comments instead of their own scouts to judge a player's worth.
Your comment that:- he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season - is a telling one, and in my opinion doesn't bode well as it would indicate that he needs to maintain his motivation to play well. His great form at the start of this season - with about 7 goals in the first 10 or so games - but not a lot since then - also demonstrates the same thing. I would prefer we go for Joe Mason - as half the price, younger and more experience at a higher level.
Yeah he's definitely a confidence player, but at 26 consistency could be something he adds with experience, certainly seems to have more composure about him this season. Bit of a gamble perhaps but I'd be more than happy for him to stay at AFCB if that's what he decides, although that seems unlikely at the moment!

If you can get Joe Mason for half the price then no question that's a better deal, I'd be surpised if Cardiff let him go for that.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: He had a barren spell in front of goal last season but looks comfortable in the Championship - intelligent forward who can play up front alone or in behind an out-and-out striker. Protects the ball well and brings others into play, and he also had a great start to the season scoring most of AFCB's goals as we adjusted to a higher level. Against Blackburn this season we went down to 10 men and Grabban was dropped back into midfield where he surprised me with his work rate and range of passing, was probably our best player as we played better than we had with 11 and ended up winning the 2nd half 1-0 after being 3-0 down at half time. I think £1.1m is a snip and am surprised that we allowed such a low release clause in a contract that he only signed in November.[/p][/quote]His record demonstrates that he can hardly be called a "HOTSHOT" as quoted in the Argus. Are you his agent by any chance?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't call him a "HOTSHOT" either, he's far from prolific but judging by this season alone he is a decent striker at this level who's capable of bagging a few goals when in form. Prior to this season I had doubts whether he could make the step up as he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season. Yes I am his agent, figured this is the way to broker a good deal for my client as I assume the Brighton board use these comments instead of their own scouts to judge a player's worth.[/p][/quote]Your comment that:- he seemed to stagnate in the 2nd half of last season - is a telling one, and in my opinion doesn't bode well as it would indicate that he needs to maintain his motivation to play well. His great form at the start of this season - with about 7 goals in the first 10 or so games - but not a lot since then - also demonstrates the same thing. I would prefer we go for Joe Mason - as half the price, younger and more experience at a higher level.[/p][/quote]Yeah he's definitely a confidence player, but at 26 consistency could be something he adds with experience, certainly seems to have more composure about him this season. Bit of a gamble perhaps but I'd be more than happy for him to stay at AFCB if that's what he decides, although that seems unlikely at the moment! If you can get Joe Mason for half the price then no question that's a better deal, I'd be surpised if Cardiff let him go for that. BomoSam
  • Score: 3

11:17am Fri 17 Jan 14

Alan Duffy says...

Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!!
Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!! Alan Duffy
  • Score: 2

11:20am Fri 17 Jan 14

hannover seagull says...

Good to hear the thoughts of Cherries fans as we know little about him.
He would have to sign by 12 noon in order to play on Saturday so highly unlikely and probably why he´s returned to his club
UTA...........
Good to hear the thoughts of Cherries fans as we know little about him. He would have to sign by 12 noon in order to play on Saturday so highly unlikely and probably why he´s returned to his club UTA........... hannover seagull
  • Score: 4

11:21am Fri 17 Jan 14

Rougvie Legend says...

Ime sure it was posted some where last night he wants a garauntee of first team football , well that aint gonna happen
Ime sure it was posted some where last night he wants a garauntee of first team football , well that aint gonna happen Rougvie Legend
  • Score: 2

11:31am Fri 17 Jan 14

novascotiagull says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing!
Because the agent does the talking and the players just communicate by phone with the agent from wherever they need to be.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: If he's retrurned to Bournemouth, don't see how talks are ongoing![/p][/quote]Because the agent does the talking and the players just communicate by phone with the agent from wherever they need to be. novascotiagull
  • Score: 1

11:47am Fri 17 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I know I'm biased but if a club like Brighton comes in for you any player would go for it surely. Look at the fan base, stadium, new training facilities, squad of players, coaching and medical facilities. Need I go on. I have a message for Mr. Grabban . If you can't see this is a good move for you then I suggest you go elsewhere.Or words to that effect. UTA
I know I'm biased but if a club like Brighton comes in for you any player would go for it surely. Look at the fan base, stadium, new training facilities, squad of players, coaching and medical facilities. Need I go on. I have a message for Mr. Grabban . If you can't see this is a good move for you then I suggest you go elsewhere.Or words to that effect. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 9

11:54am Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

Eddie Howe is a shrewd manager - and he doesn't let his good players go unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. Conversely he knows a bargain when he sees one, so £200k to buy Grabban was good business if he can get a £1m for him. Remember also that when he was Burnley's manager he paid Bournemouth £2m for Ings. He must now be worth £8m +
Wigan have just sined Nicky Maynard on loan for the rest of the season as well as highly rated Everton and England U19 defender Tyias Browning.
Its quality players we need like these - not more and more cover for Barnes and Crofts. Why sign Grabban when we already have Obika and CMS due back in a few weeks? We are in danger of cluttering up the side with too many average players, when we already have several quality players champing at the bit - like Augustien, Orlandi, Solly March, Jake Forster-Caskey and Chicksen. If we don't give these players a regular game we are in danger of creating another El-Abd situation, where players get fed up with sitting on the bench and look to move elsewhere.

Leave Grabban alone IMHO
Eddie Howe is a shrewd manager - and he doesn't let his good players go unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. Conversely he knows a bargain when he sees one, so £200k to buy Grabban was good business if he can get a £1m for him. Remember also that when he was Burnley's manager he paid Bournemouth £2m for Ings. He must now be worth £8m + Wigan have just sined Nicky Maynard on loan for the rest of the season as well as highly rated Everton and England U19 defender Tyias Browning. Its quality players we need like these - not more and more cover for Barnes and Crofts. Why sign Grabban when we already have Obika and CMS due back in a few weeks? We are in danger of cluttering up the side with too many average players, when we already have several quality players champing at the bit - like Augustien, Orlandi, Solly March, Jake Forster-Caskey and Chicksen. If we don't give these players a regular game we are in danger of creating another El-Abd situation, where players get fed up with sitting on the bench and look to move elsewhere. Leave Grabban alone IMHO Vince
  • Score: 11

11:55am Fri 17 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Vince wrote:
Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor.

Palace 0+13 app 1 goal
Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals
Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals
Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals
Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals
Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals
Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals

Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really!

LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY!
Is he a "Money GRABBer?!
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor. Palace 0+13 app 1 goal Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really! LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY![/p][/quote]Is he a "Money GRABBer?! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: -1

11:56am Fri 17 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I know I'm biased but if a club like Brighton comes in for you any player would go for it surely. Look at the fan base, stadium, new training facilities, squad of players, coaching and medical facilities. Need I go on. I have a message for Mr. Grabban . If you can't see this is a good move for you then I suggest you go elsewhere.Or words to that effect. UTA
He's seen the facilities, but it's money in the pocket for him and his agent that's important today, it's the football world we live in I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I know I'm biased but if a club like Brighton comes in for you any player would go for it surely. Look at the fan base, stadium, new training facilities, squad of players, coaching and medical facilities. Need I go on. I have a message for Mr. Grabban . If you can't see this is a good move for you then I suggest you go elsewhere.Or words to that effect. UTA[/p][/quote]He's seen the facilities, but it's money in the pocket for him and his agent that's important today, it's the football world we live in I'm afraid. Alfie T
  • Score: 2

11:57am Fri 17 Jan 14

Howie2 says...

Anyone who takes this long to sign for us is not worth considering. Hie is clearly not in the least motivated to join us.
Anyone who takes this long to sign for us is not worth considering. Hie is clearly not in the least motivated to join us. Howie2
  • Score: 7

11:58am Fri 17 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Alan Duffy--Talks ongoing because they do have phones!!!
Alan Duffy--Talks ongoing because they do have phones!!! mikeygit
  • Score: -1

12:06pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

There's a lot of B'mouth supporters posting messages on this site - hoping we buy Grabban for £1.1m. if it happens they'll all be saying we've paid over the odds for him! LOL
There's a lot of B'mouth supporters posting messages on this site - hoping we buy Grabban for £1.1m. if it happens they'll all be saying we've paid over the odds for him! LOL Vince
  • Score: 3

12:13pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think I might be tempted to pull the plug on this deal, this lad is either wanting something more than we are offering or, his agent is talking to Bournemouth to give them a chance to match our offer, either way he doesn't seem to be committed to going or staying.
Should he sign I hope we don't get the usual, 'as soon as I heard Brighton were in for me it was a no brainer, I jumped at the chance,' because that is not the case. The, take it or leave it, moment is approaching for me, if we were talking to Mason, instead of Grabban, I bet this deal would have been done yesterday.
I think I might be tempted to pull the plug on this deal, this lad is either wanting something more than we are offering or, his agent is talking to Bournemouth to give them a chance to match our offer, either way he doesn't seem to be committed to going or staying. Should he sign I hope we don't get the usual, 'as soon as I heard Brighton were in for me it was a no brainer, I jumped at the chance,' because that is not the case. The, take it or leave it, moment is approaching for me, if we were talking to Mason, instead of Grabban, I bet this deal would have been done yesterday. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

12:15pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

N Smith wrote:
molbol wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
I personally want him to leave us for Brighton .1.1 million is a very good deal for a average player.Brighton fans should count themselves lucky they have not wasted 1 million.
The last 3 lines of your post say it all! thanks for your honesty.
I don't know which Berk at our club wanted to buy him in the first place?!!!
I'm sure it couldn't have been Oscar - he's only the manager (oops! sorry - coach).
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molbol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]Cherries fan here - This scenario is not good for either club and this ongoing dithering makes you question Grab's commitment to either club, whatever the outcome. He either remains a cherry with his heart not totally in it or becomes a seagull whose heart is not totally in it either. If he really wanted to go, he would have signed straight away given Brighton would have known his demands. It's all about his greedy agent by all accounts who touted him about in the first place. How did the release clause info get out into the public domain i wonder? Maybe the stalling is, as others have suggested, him and his agent hoping something better will come of this. All very unsavoury, but his previous shows his levels of commitment to a cause. Loyalty (like a lot of players these days unfortunately) is not his strong point; look at how many clubs he's played for in such a relatively short space of time? Given he only signed a new contract 2 months ago shows that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.[/p][/quote]I personally want him to leave us for Brighton .1.1 million is a very good deal for a average player.Brighton fans should count themselves lucky they have not wasted 1 million.[/p][/quote]The last 3 lines of your post say it all! thanks for your honesty. I don't know which Berk at our club wanted to buy him in the first place?!!! I'm sure it couldn't have been Oscar - he's only the manager (oops! sorry - coach). Vince
  • Score: 1

12:16pm Fri 17 Jan 14

rolivan says...

Alan Duffy wrote:
Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!!
Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?
[quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!![/p][/quote]Have you got the Sideburns to prove it? rolivan
  • Score: -1

12:23pm Fri 17 Jan 14

rolivan says...

Apparently He forgot to bring the Removal Van with Him and has gone back to get it.There could be any number of reasons why it hasn't been finalised.I always find it very strange that Agents are nowhere to be seen or heard when these deals are taking place.
Apparently He forgot to bring the Removal Van with Him and has gone back to get it.There could be any number of reasons why it hasn't been finalised.I always find it very strange that Agents are nowhere to be seen or heard when these deals are taking place. rolivan
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

AGT999 says...

Bored with this now, don't want a player who is not fully committed to the club.
Bored with this now, don't want a player who is not fully committed to the club. AGT999
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

rolivan wrote:
Apparently He forgot to bring the Removal Van with Him and has gone back to get it.There could be any number of reasons why it hasn't been finalised.I always find it very strange that Agents are nowhere to be seen or heard when these deals are taking place.
QPR are looking for a striker, perhaps they have made an offer.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Apparently He forgot to bring the Removal Van with Him and has gone back to get it.There could be any number of reasons why it hasn't been finalised.I always find it very strange that Agents are nowhere to be seen or heard when these deals are taking place.[/p][/quote]QPR are looking for a striker, perhaps they have made an offer. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

rolivan wrote:
Alan Duffy wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!!
Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?
Great player - Alan Duffy. Shame he got overweight - what a waste of a great talent. He would have excelled at Championship level. Him and Alex Dawson - what a pairing! Not many could head a ball like Alex - I remember one jack-knife type header from the edge of the area powering into the net. Nobody in the game today has anywhere near the quality and power of his headers. Look at the headers Barnes missed. Always gets underneath the ball, or shuts his eyes and they glance off his forehead. How many goals did Barnes ever score with his head. None that I can remember - apart from a gentle one looping over the keeper at Wrexham in the cup.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!![/p][/quote]Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?[/p][/quote]Great player - Alan Duffy. Shame he got overweight - what a waste of a great talent. He would have excelled at Championship level. Him and Alex Dawson - what a pairing! Not many could head a ball like Alex - I remember one jack-knife type header from the edge of the area powering into the net. Nobody in the game today has anywhere near the quality and power of his headers. Look at the headers Barnes missed. Always gets underneath the ball, or shuts his eyes and they glance off his forehead. How many goals did Barnes ever score with his head. None that I can remember - apart from a gentle one looping over the keeper at Wrexham in the cup. Vince
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Rougvie Legend wrote:
Ime sure it was posted some where last night he wants a garauntee of first team football , well that aint gonna happen
It was copied onto here from the football rumours (ie football bullsh*t) website where anyone can write literally anything. No-one demands guaranteed first team football, so it's nonsense.

If he thought he needed a guarantee then it would show a lot of faith in his own ability to be regularly picked, would it?
[quote][p][bold]Rougvie Legend[/bold] wrote: Ime sure it was posted some where last night he wants a garauntee of first team football , well that aint gonna happen[/p][/quote]It was copied onto here from the football rumours (ie football bullsh*t) website where anyone can write literally anything. No-one demands guaranteed first team football, so it's nonsense. If he thought he needed a guarantee then it would show a lot of faith in his own ability to be regularly picked, would it? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999 wrote:
Bored with this now, don't want a player who is not fully committed to the club.
Hi bro, yep I am with you on this one, when things drag on you start to get a nasty taste in your mouth.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: Bored with this now, don't want a player who is not fully committed to the club.[/p][/quote]Hi bro, yep I am with you on this one, when things drag on you start to get a nasty taste in your mouth. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Fri 17 Jan 14

boyerboy says...

Vince wrote:
Eddie Howe is a shrewd manager - and he doesn't let his good players go unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. Conversely he knows a bargain when he sees one, so £200k to buy Grabban was good business if he can get a £1m for him. Remember also that when he was Burnley's manager he paid Bournemouth £2m for Ings. He must now be worth £8m +
Wigan have just sined Nicky Maynard on loan for the rest of the season as well as highly rated Everton and England U19 defender Tyias Browning.
Its quality players we need like these - not more and more cover for Barnes and Crofts. Why sign Grabban when we already have Obika and CMS due back in a few weeks? We are in danger of cluttering up the side with too many average players, when we already have several quality players champing at the bit - like Augustien, Orlandi, Solly March, Jake Forster-Caskey and Chicksen. If we don't give these players a regular game we are in danger of creating another El-Abd situation, where players get fed up with sitting on the bench and look to move elsewhere.

Leave Grabban alone IMHO
Bournemouth fan here.....we paid £300k for Grabbs, before Eddie Howe came back - Grabbs was in the div 2 team of the year, so his time at Rotherham was not wasted.

His work rate is good most of the time - playing the lone forward( away from home ) cannot be a nice position !

He is a London boy from memory and he wanted to leave Rotherham to move nearer "home". I for one would miss him - not long ago our local paper reported him as saying to the effect he was happy as Larry at Bournemouth and didn`t contemplate leaving....hey ho.

he did "fade" towards the second half of last season - as per this season his goals to game ratio was good - think he was always classed as a winger, whatever I think season on season he has improved and will continue to do so.

By the way we received circa £500k for Ings - he didn`t look that good then ! At the start of this season we were thinking of buying him back but the Burnley fee of £1.5m put the manager off.............
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Eddie Howe is a shrewd manager - and he doesn't let his good players go unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. Conversely he knows a bargain when he sees one, so £200k to buy Grabban was good business if he can get a £1m for him. Remember also that when he was Burnley's manager he paid Bournemouth £2m for Ings. He must now be worth £8m + Wigan have just sined Nicky Maynard on loan for the rest of the season as well as highly rated Everton and England U19 defender Tyias Browning. Its quality players we need like these - not more and more cover for Barnes and Crofts. Why sign Grabban when we already have Obika and CMS due back in a few weeks? We are in danger of cluttering up the side with too many average players, when we already have several quality players champing at the bit - like Augustien, Orlandi, Solly March, Jake Forster-Caskey and Chicksen. If we don't give these players a regular game we are in danger of creating another El-Abd situation, where players get fed up with sitting on the bench and look to move elsewhere. Leave Grabban alone IMHO[/p][/quote]Bournemouth fan here.....we paid £300k for Grabbs, before Eddie Howe came back - Grabbs was in the div 2 team of the year, so his time at Rotherham was not wasted. His work rate is good most of the time - playing the lone forward( away from home ) cannot be a nice position ! He is a London boy from memory and he wanted to leave Rotherham to move nearer "home". I for one would miss him - not long ago our local paper reported him as saying to the effect he was happy as Larry at Bournemouth and didn`t contemplate leaving....hey ho. he did "fade" towards the second half of last season - as per this season his goals to game ratio was good - think he was always classed as a winger, whatever I think season on season he has improved and will continue to do so. By the way we received circa £500k for Ings - he didn`t look that good then ! At the start of this season we were thinking of buying him back but the Burnley fee of £1.5m put the manager off............. boyerboy
  • Score: 4

12:43pm Fri 17 Jan 14

and another thing.... says...

Vince wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Alan Duffy wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!!
Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?
Great player - Alan Duffy. Shame he got overweight - what a waste of a great talent. He would have excelled at Championship level. Him and Alex Dawson - what a pairing! Not many could head a ball like Alex - I remember one jack-knife type header from the edge of the area powering into the net. Nobody in the game today has anywhere near the quality and power of his headers. Look at the headers Barnes missed. Always gets underneath the ball, or shuts his eyes and they glance off his forehead. How many goals did Barnes ever score with his head. None that I can remember - apart from a gentle one looping over the keeper at Wrexham in the cup.
Agree with the sentiments expressed.
If Alex Dawson didn't score with a header, the goalkeeper somehow always ended up in the net......
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!![/p][/quote]Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?[/p][/quote]Great player - Alan Duffy. Shame he got overweight - what a waste of a great talent. He would have excelled at Championship level. Him and Alex Dawson - what a pairing! Not many could head a ball like Alex - I remember one jack-knife type header from the edge of the area powering into the net. Nobody in the game today has anywhere near the quality and power of his headers. Look at the headers Barnes missed. Always gets underneath the ball, or shuts his eyes and they glance off his forehead. How many goals did Barnes ever score with his head. None that I can remember - apart from a gentle one looping over the keeper at Wrexham in the cup.[/p][/quote]Agree with the sentiments expressed. If Alex Dawson didn't score with a header, the goalkeeper somehow always ended up in the net...... and another thing....
  • Score: 3

12:43pm Fri 17 Jan 14

AGT999 says...

All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.
All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker. AGT999
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Fri 17 Jan 14

fratsomrover says...

Well I still hope he signs. I thought he showed a lot of potential New Years day and I can see him fitting in well. I was worried that he might be reluctant to sign at present as Bournemouth were drawn v Liverpool in the FA Cup and maybe he fancied having at pop at them. It's an attractive proposition for any player and a good game from him could enhance his prospects even more. Maybe that's just me being sentimental but if it were me, I might not want to move just yet.
As for nonsense about loyalty and signing contracts etc, I have another angle on that. Once a player is given a contract then he has to be sold if someone wants him thereby bringing money into the club. If he's out of contract, he'd go for nothing.
We did the same with El Abd. We gave him a new contract when there was little prospect of him featuring regularly. As a result, we got a fee for him which we wouldn't have if we'd allowed his contract to run out. We sold Barnes because we wanted the fee. In the summer he would have left for nothing. He had no future here and it was the same for Barker, Dickenson and El Abd. Their sales have bought in around £1m which we can now invest in someone with the ability to get us into The Premiership.
Players are sale-able commodities, like it or not, and to strengthen the squad you have to sell off those who are deemed as not having a future here.
El Abd is Brighton through and through and has been a great servant. But I bet he's absolutely over the moon at being offered a new contract, being in a position where he will be selected week in and week out, and received a nice signing-on fee to boot.
Well I still hope he signs. I thought he showed a lot of potential New Years day and I can see him fitting in well. I was worried that he might be reluctant to sign at present as Bournemouth were drawn v Liverpool in the FA Cup and maybe he fancied having at pop at them. It's an attractive proposition for any player and a good game from him could enhance his prospects even more. Maybe that's just me being sentimental but if it were me, I might not want to move just yet. As for nonsense about loyalty and signing contracts etc, I have another angle on that. Once a player is given a contract then he has to be sold if someone wants him thereby bringing money into the club. If he's out of contract, he'd go for nothing. We did the same with El Abd. We gave him a new contract when there was little prospect of him featuring regularly. As a result, we got a fee for him which we wouldn't have if we'd allowed his contract to run out. We sold Barnes because we wanted the fee. In the summer he would have left for nothing. He had no future here and it was the same for Barker, Dickenson and El Abd. Their sales have bought in around £1m which we can now invest in someone with the ability to get us into The Premiership. Players are sale-able commodities, like it or not, and to strengthen the squad you have to sell off those who are deemed as not having a future here. El Abd is Brighton through and through and has been a great servant. But I bet he's absolutely over the moon at being offered a new contract, being in a position where he will be selected week in and week out, and received a nice signing-on fee to boot. fratsomrover
  • Score: 3

12:47pm Fri 17 Jan 14

AGT999 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
Bored with this now, don't want a player who is not fully committed to the club.
Hi bro, yep I am with you on this one, when things drag on you start to get a nasty taste in your mouth.
Hi bruv.. Agree, Need to sort something soon though, some big matches coming up.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: Bored with this now, don't want a player who is not fully committed to the club.[/p][/quote]Hi bro, yep I am with you on this one, when things drag on you start to get a nasty taste in your mouth.[/p][/quote]Hi bruv.. Agree, Need to sort something soon though, some big matches coming up. AGT999
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999 wrote:
All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.
True but looking back at the games played this year, how many times have we had at least three strikers fit and able to play. I just posted on another thread in reply to Claude, to play the single striker system you ideally need three strikers, to play two up front you must have at least four, we have been as low as one fit and able. We don't know what Oscar might do if he had enough strikers to choose from.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.[/p][/quote]True but looking back at the games played this year, how many times have we had at least three strikers fit and able to play. I just posted on another thread in reply to Claude, to play the single striker system you ideally need three strikers, to play two up front you must have at least four, we have been as low as one fit and able. We don't know what Oscar might do if he had enough strikers to choose from. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

12:59pm Fri 17 Jan 14

AGT999 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.
True but looking back at the games played this year, how many times have we had at least three strikers fit and able to play. I just posted on another thread in reply to Claude, to play the single striker system you ideally need three strikers, to play two up front you must have at least four, we have been as low as one fit and able. We don't know what Oscar might do if he had enough strikers to choose from.
That's ok if the strikers are prepared to share the bench.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.[/p][/quote]True but looking back at the games played this year, how many times have we had at least three strikers fit and able to play. I just posted on another thread in reply to Claude, to play the single striker system you ideally need three strikers, to play two up front you must have at least four, we have been as low as one fit and able. We don't know what Oscar might do if he had enough strikers to choose from.[/p][/quote]That's ok if the strikers are prepared to share the bench. AGT999
  • Score: -3

1:07pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.
True but looking back at the games played this year, how many times have we had at least three strikers fit and able to play. I just posted on another thread in reply to Claude, to play the single striker system you ideally need three strikers, to play two up front you must have at least four, we have been as low as one fit and able. We don't know what Oscar might do if he had enough strikers to choose from.
That's ok if the strikers are prepared to share the bench.
Agreed but the point I am making is that Oscar has not really had an option to play two strikers, even if he wanted to, we just haven't had the players available. If Grabban, or another does come in, we would have, including Obika, three strikers, to play anything like a 4-4-2 we would still need at least one more. With CMS approaching a return we would then have four, that would almost require us to play two strikers because as you say, the bench would not be happy. I think that there will be a shift in our pattern as soon as we have enough options to make that shift.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: All the time we play one up front it is going to be difficult to buy or retain a second quality striker.[/p][/quote]True but looking back at the games played this year, how many times have we had at least three strikers fit and able to play. I just posted on another thread in reply to Claude, to play the single striker system you ideally need three strikers, to play two up front you must have at least four, we have been as low as one fit and able. We don't know what Oscar might do if he had enough strikers to choose from.[/p][/quote]That's ok if the strikers are prepared to share the bench.[/p][/quote]Agreed but the point I am making is that Oscar has not really had an option to play two strikers, even if he wanted to, we just haven't had the players available. If Grabban, or another does come in, we would have, including Obika, three strikers, to play anything like a 4-4-2 we would still need at least one more. With CMS approaching a return we would then have four, that would almost require us to play two strikers because as you say, the bench would not be happy. I think that there will be a shift in our pattern as soon as we have enough options to make that shift. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:09pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999, I wouldn't rule out the chances of us signing Grabban AND Mason.
AGT999, I wouldn't rule out the chances of us signing Grabban AND Mason. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Fri 17 Jan 14

rolivan says...

and another thing.... wrote:
Vince wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Alan Duffy wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!!
Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?
Great player - Alan Duffy. Shame he got overweight - what a waste of a great talent. He would have excelled at Championship level. Him and Alex Dawson - what a pairing! Not many could head a ball like Alex - I remember one jack-knife type header from the edge of the area powering into the net. Nobody in the game today has anywhere near the quality and power of his headers. Look at the headers Barnes missed. Always gets underneath the ball, or shuts his eyes and they glance off his forehead. How many goals did Barnes ever score with his head. None that I can remember - apart from a gentle one looping over the keeper at Wrexham in the cup.
Agree with the sentiments expressed.
If Alex Dawson didn't score with a header, the goalkeeper somehow always ended up in the net......
That was a Bobby Smith trait bundling the goalie into the back of the net
[quote][p][bold]and another thing....[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote: Don't know who's using the name Alan Duffy but it's been mine for years, so pi55 off and get your own!!!![/p][/quote]Have you got the Sideburns to prove it?[/p][/quote]Great player - Alan Duffy. Shame he got overweight - what a waste of a great talent. He would have excelled at Championship level. Him and Alex Dawson - what a pairing! Not many could head a ball like Alex - I remember one jack-knife type header from the edge of the area powering into the net. Nobody in the game today has anywhere near the quality and power of his headers. Look at the headers Barnes missed. Always gets underneath the ball, or shuts his eyes and they glance off his forehead. How many goals did Barnes ever score with his head. None that I can remember - apart from a gentle one looping over the keeper at Wrexham in the cup.[/p][/quote]Agree with the sentiments expressed. If Alex Dawson didn't score with a header, the goalkeeper somehow always ended up in the net......[/p][/quote]That was a Bobby Smith trait bundling the goalie into the back of the net rolivan
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

bmth-till-i-die says...

Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth! bmth-till-i-die
  • Score: 6

1:30pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
[quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

molbol says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
My fellow Cherry is spot on Vegas - I like Grabban but at 1.1 mill; he's overpriced.

As for Mickhail-Smith; if he returns from his long term injury fully fit and with no lasting after effects; then i would take him over Grabs any day - and i'm not just saying that; honestly. Grabban is good, but not that good. If he stays or goes is neither here nor there to me; as long as Eddie has a rabbit or two up his sleeve (with some help from Uncle Max - Le Fondre + one other would do for me!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?[/p][/quote]My fellow Cherry is spot on Vegas - I like Grabban but at 1.1 mill; he's overpriced. As for Mickhail-Smith; if he returns from his long term injury fully fit and with no lasting after effects; then i would take him over Grabs any day - and i'm not just saying that; honestly. Grabban is good, but not that good. If he stays or goes is neither here nor there to me; as long as Eddie has a rabbit or two up his sleeve (with some help from Uncle Max - Le Fondre + one other would do for me! molbol
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?[/p][/quote]Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway. Chi Gull
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.
I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot.
The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?[/p][/quote]Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.[/p][/quote]I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot. The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Fri 17 Jan 14

mrgull says...

Barnes has now gone we only need to replace with someone better...not similar...someone who wants to play for us.I am sure there are players already contracted to the club that feel they fit that description,and as such should be hammering on Oscars door and demanding the opportunity.I firmly believe we will make the playoffs,but with players who WANT to play for the club...and I am not sure Grabban is that person
Barnes has now gone we only need to replace with someone better...not similar...someone who wants to play for us.I am sure there are players already contracted to the club that feel they fit that description,and as such should be hammering on Oscars door and demanding the opportunity.I firmly believe we will make the playoffs,but with players who WANT to play for the club...and I am not sure Grabban is that person mrgull
  • Score: 3

2:16pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

mrgull wrote:
Barnes has now gone we only need to replace with someone better...not similar...someone who wants to play for us.I am sure there are players already contracted to the club that feel they fit that description,and as such should be hammering on Oscars door and demanding the opportunity.I firmly believe we will make the playoffs,but with players who WANT to play for the club...and I am not sure Grabban is that person
If Grabban was over the moon at being given the chance to join us the deal would have been done by now. If Grabban was really pleased at having the chance to join us the deal would have been done by now. If all that we have to offer this lad is not enough to make him jump on board quickly, then maybe he should stay at home in Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: Barnes has now gone we only need to replace with someone better...not similar...someone who wants to play for us.I am sure there are players already contracted to the club that feel they fit that description,and as such should be hammering on Oscars door and demanding the opportunity.I firmly believe we will make the playoffs,but with players who WANT to play for the club...and I am not sure Grabban is that person[/p][/quote]If Grabban was over the moon at being given the chance to join us the deal would have been done by now. If Grabban was really pleased at having the chance to join us the deal would have been done by now. If all that we have to offer this lad is not enough to make him jump on board quickly, then maybe he should stay at home in Bournemouth. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Fri 17 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think I might be tempted to pull the plug on this deal, this lad is either wanting something more than we are offering or, his agent is talking to Bournemouth to give them a chance to match our offer, either way he doesn't seem to be committed to going or staying.
Should he sign I hope we don't get the usual, 'as soon as I heard Brighton were in for me it was a no brainer, I jumped at the chance,' because that is not the case. The, take it or leave it, moment is approaching for me, if we were talking to Mason, instead of Grabban, I bet this deal would have been done yesterday.
Spot on as usual Vegas!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think I might be tempted to pull the plug on this deal, this lad is either wanting something more than we are offering or, his agent is talking to Bournemouth to give them a chance to match our offer, either way he doesn't seem to be committed to going or staying. Should he sign I hope we don't get the usual, 'as soon as I heard Brighton were in for me it was a no brainer, I jumped at the chance,' because that is not the case. The, take it or leave it, moment is approaching for me, if we were talking to Mason, instead of Grabban, I bet this deal would have been done yesterday.[/p][/quote]Spot on as usual Vegas! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off.

If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.
A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off. If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career. BomoSam
  • Score: 5

2:42pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

BomoSam wrote:
A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off.

If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.
I agree with this pretty much entirely.
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off. If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.[/p][/quote]I agree with this pretty much entirely. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

BomoSam wrote:
A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off.

If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.
So are you saying that if he does sign for us, it's because no one else offered him a better deal, if that's the case you can keep him. We don't need players to sign on that basis, we would prefer to have guys that see the opportunities that are there with us.
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off. If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that if he does sign for us, it's because no one else offered him a better deal, if that's the case you can keep him. We don't need players to sign on that basis, we would prefer to have guys that see the opportunities that are there with us. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Lord Hamilton says...

So what are the stats of CMS, Barnes, Ulloa or any other top champ striker. Need a yardstick to compare.
So what are the stats of CMS, Barnes, Ulloa or any other top champ striker. Need a yardstick to compare. Lord Hamilton
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Fri 17 Jan 14

bmth-till-i-die says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.
I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot.
The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.
From what I've seen of CMS I would take him over Grabs any day of the week. Problem is that with the injuries he has had one would question whether he will ever get back to the standard he was at previously. Its absolutely a fair question to ask for a comparison. Im not trolling this site, i have respect for your club but obviously post with the best interests of my own. In my opinion Grabs will not add much to your squad, he is certainly not even close to premiership quality, he had a good start to the season but hasn't been scoring much recently. A lot of hustle and bustle with little end product. In fact when we got promoted last season a large contingent of our fans (including myself) seriously doubted that he would live up to championship standard. For 1.1. million you are paying far over the odds and I think it is a great profit for Bournemouth. He obviously has no loyalty. He signed a new contract with us three months ago and now he's messing you about. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed already. He's money grabbing!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?[/p][/quote]Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.[/p][/quote]I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot. The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.[/p][/quote]From what I've seen of CMS I would take him over Grabs any day of the week. Problem is that with the injuries he has had one would question whether he will ever get back to the standard he was at previously. Its absolutely a fair question to ask for a comparison. Im not trolling this site, i have respect for your club but obviously post with the best interests of my own. In my opinion Grabs will not add much to your squad, he is certainly not even close to premiership quality, he had a good start to the season but hasn't been scoring much recently. A lot of hustle and bustle with little end product. In fact when we got promoted last season a large contingent of our fans (including myself) seriously doubted that he would live up to championship standard. For 1.1. million you are paying far over the odds and I think it is a great profit for Bournemouth. He obviously has no loyalty. He signed a new contract with us three months ago and now he's messing you about. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed already. He's money grabbing! bmth-till-i-die
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
BomoSam wrote:
A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off.

If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.
So are you saying that if he does sign for us, it's because no one else offered him a better deal, if that's the case you can keep him. We don't need players to sign on that basis, we would prefer to have guys that see the opportunities that are there with us.
It all depends on whether "better deal" includes more than just financial remuneration. The whole package will surely count, including ground, training facilities and promotion prospects etc.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off. If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that if he does sign for us, it's because no one else offered him a better deal, if that's the case you can keep him. We don't need players to sign on that basis, we would prefer to have guys that see the opportunities that are there with us.[/p][/quote]It all depends on whether "better deal" includes more than just financial remuneration. The whole package will surely count, including ground, training facilities and promotion prospects etc. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

bmth-till-i-die wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.
I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot.
The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.
From what I've seen of CMS I would take him over Grabs any day of the week. Problem is that with the injuries he has had one would question whether he will ever get back to the standard he was at previously. Its absolutely a fair question to ask for a comparison. Im not trolling this site, i have respect for your club but obviously post with the best interests of my own. In my opinion Grabs will not add much to your squad, he is certainly not even close to premiership quality, he had a good start to the season but hasn't been scoring much recently. A lot of hustle and bustle with little end product. In fact when we got promoted last season a large contingent of our fans (including myself) seriously doubted that he would live up to championship standard. For 1.1. million you are paying far over the odds and I think it is a great profit for Bournemouth. He obviously has no loyalty. He signed a new contract with us three months ago and now he's messing you about. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed already. He's money grabbing!
The new contract he signed with you recently was more to do with the club wanting to keep him or gain more by his sale. I doubt a December contract extension would have been instigated by the player himself. Were you complaining about his loyalty when he left Rotheram to join you? :-)

But fair play to the rest of your post.
[quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?[/p][/quote]Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.[/p][/quote]I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot. The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.[/p][/quote]From what I've seen of CMS I would take him over Grabs any day of the week. Problem is that with the injuries he has had one would question whether he will ever get back to the standard he was at previously. Its absolutely a fair question to ask for a comparison. Im not trolling this site, i have respect for your club but obviously post with the best interests of my own. In my opinion Grabs will not add much to your squad, he is certainly not even close to premiership quality, he had a good start to the season but hasn't been scoring much recently. A lot of hustle and bustle with little end product. In fact when we got promoted last season a large contingent of our fans (including myself) seriously doubted that he would live up to championship standard. For 1.1. million you are paying far over the odds and I think it is a great profit for Bournemouth. He obviously has no loyalty. He signed a new contract with us three months ago and now he's messing you about. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed already. He's money grabbing![/p][/quote]The new contract he signed with you recently was more to do with the club wanting to keep him or gain more by his sale. I doubt a December contract extension would have been instigated by the player himself. Were you complaining about his loyalty when he left Rotheram to join you? :-) But fair play to the rest of your post. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

2:51pm Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
BomoSam wrote: A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off. If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.
So are you saying that if he does sign for us, it's because no one else offered him a better deal, if that's the case you can keep him. We don't need players to sign on that basis, we would prefer to have guys that see the opportunities that are there with us.
So you're saying if he has offers from 3 or 4 other clubs over the next week and decides Brighton is best for him then you won't be happy with his attitude?

If you put aside your affection for your own club, which most players obviously don't share, then I think you'll find any player will weigh up as many options as possible before deciding where to go. You may be a well run club offering good opportunities but there are plenty more out there.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: A few Brighton fans being a bit precious about their club...the offer was made sometime yesterday and he hasn't decided yet so that means he's not fully committed to your club? Give the lad a break - he's obviously happy at Bournemouth but wanted to hear what Brighton have to say, now he's weighing things up and possibly waiting to see if there's interest from any other clubs. Brighton are a bigger club than Bournemouth in every respect, no doubt about that but it's not exactly like Real Madrid come calling when you'd bite their hands off. If he eventually decides to stay with AFCB then I'll be delighted, and if he takes the opportunity to move to Brighton or elsewhere then fair play to him, I don't think you should hold it against him for deliberating for a while on what is a pretty big decision in his career.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that if he does sign for us, it's because no one else offered him a better deal, if that's the case you can keep him. We don't need players to sign on that basis, we would prefer to have guys that see the opportunities that are there with us.[/p][/quote]So you're saying if he has offers from 3 or 4 other clubs over the next week and decides Brighton is best for him then you won't be happy with his attitude? If you put aside your affection for your own club, which most players obviously don't share, then I think you'll find any player will weigh up as many options as possible before deciding where to go. You may be a well run club offering good opportunities but there are plenty more out there. BomoSam
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Vince wrote:
Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor.

Palace 0+13 app 1 goal
Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals
Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals
Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals
Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals
Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals
Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals

Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really!

LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY!
Is he a "Money GRABBer?!
That's a good and improved record. Only the likes of (sssssshhhh) Glenn Murray, Rickie Lambert, have had a ridiculously good ratio, in promotion seasons.

I trust TB and OG to do the right thing.
(TB won't let a repeat of the £3.25m blown on League One striker CMS, to occur again).
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: Further to my last message, his career record of goals per game is very poor. Palace 0+13 app 1 goal Oldham 2+8 app 0 goals Motherwell 0+6 app 0 goals Millwall 56+14 app 11 goals Brentford 20+12 app 7 goals Rotherham 43+14 app 21 goals Bournemouth 67+5 app 23 goals Crawley were interested in buying him - says it all really! LEAVE HIM ALONE - HE'S ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY![/p][/quote]Is he a "Money GRABBer?![/p][/quote]That's a good and improved record. Only the likes of (sssssshhhh) Glenn Murray, Rickie Lambert, have had a ridiculously good ratio, in promotion seasons. I trust TB and OG to do the right thing. (TB won't let a repeat of the £3.25m blown on League One striker CMS, to occur again). Withdean-er
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it?
How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set.

I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton.

I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.
Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it? How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set. I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton. I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Fri 17 Jan 14

N Smith says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it?
How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set.

I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton.

I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.
If we wanted to keep him by matching your offer it wouldn't be a problem, our owners are very very rich .I doubt very much whether our club think he is worth what you are going to pay him .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it? How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set. I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton. I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.[/p][/quote]If we wanted to keep him by matching your offer it wouldn't be a problem, our owners are very very rich .I doubt very much whether our club think he is worth what you are going to pay him . N Smith
  • Score: 1

3:39pm Fri 17 Jan 14

BomoSam says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it? How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set. I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton. I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.
Clearly his agent has been touting him around which is another matter, I realise he doesn't have any other offers that we know of at the moment but he may have soon as the window draws to a close. I agree you want players who are committed to your cause but realistically money is always going to be factor these days, I was just making the point that a few people on here seem very quick to dismiss him as a mercenary for not snapping up your offer immediately.

We'd all like players who show the same loyalty to our clubs that we do as fans but the vast majority of players follow the money and/or go to the bigger club whenever they get the opportunity. Maybe I'm just used to it after years of having our players snapped up for peanuts when they show the slightest glimmer of talent, but personally I've come to terms with how things work now. There's usually someone willing to step up and make a name for themselves when any player moves on - if Grabban stays then great, if not then we paid a rumoured £2m for Tokelo Rantie who hasn't really fired yet so maybe he'll grab his chance.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it? How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set. I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton. I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.[/p][/quote]Clearly his agent has been touting him around which is another matter, I realise he doesn't have any other offers that we know of at the moment but he may have soon as the window draws to a close. I agree you want players who are committed to your cause but realistically money is always going to be factor these days, I was just making the point that a few people on here seem very quick to dismiss him as a mercenary for not snapping up your offer immediately. We'd all like players who show the same loyalty to our clubs that we do as fans but the vast majority of players follow the money and/or go to the bigger club whenever they get the opportunity. Maybe I'm just used to it after years of having our players snapped up for peanuts when they show the slightest glimmer of talent, but personally I've come to terms with how things work now. There's usually someone willing to step up and make a name for themselves when any player moves on - if Grabban stays then great, if not then we paid a rumoured £2m for Tokelo Rantie who hasn't really fired yet so maybe he'll grab his chance. BomoSam
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Fri 17 Jan 14

bmth-till-i-die says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!
Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?
Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.
I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot.
The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.
From what I've seen of CMS I would take him over Grabs any day of the week. Problem is that with the injuries he has had one would question whether he will ever get back to the standard he was at previously. Its absolutely a fair question to ask for a comparison. Im not trolling this site, i have respect for your club but obviously post with the best interests of my own. In my opinion Grabs will not add much to your squad, he is certainly not even close to premiership quality, he had a good start to the season but hasn't been scoring much recently. A lot of hustle and bustle with little end product. In fact when we got promoted last season a large contingent of our fans (including myself) seriously doubted that he would live up to championship standard. For 1.1. million you are paying far over the odds and I think it is a great profit for Bournemouth. He obviously has no loyalty. He signed a new contract with us three months ago and now he's messing you about. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed already. He's money grabbing!
The new contract he signed with you recently was more to do with the club wanting to keep him or gain more by his sale. I doubt a December contract extension would have been instigated by the player himself. Were you complaining about his loyalty when he left Rotheram to join you? :-)

But fair play to the rest of your post.
Yeah, your right it probably was instigated by us to gain more from his sale, which by the sound of things is exactly what it has achieved, if he signs that is. No I wasn't complaining when he left Rotherham but if you look at his history it clearly indicates that he doesn't like to settle and he club hops regularly. No doubt he won't stay long with you either, 1) because he never does and 2) because he isn't good enough for your club and where you want to be. That is a fact. A lot of cherries fans have been saying for ages that we need another striker because the current bunch aren't good enough for this division, if this sale goes through we'll need two so I hope Eddie Howe moves quickly as I fear that unless he does we will be in major trouble with only two out on out strikers on the books and neither prolific at this level. Good luck for the rest of the season, I think you have got a good chance but don't expect Grabban to enhance them too much as a fear you will all be disappointed.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth-till-i-die[/bold] wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth![/p][/quote]Some would say that you have just described our own CMS. Given that our CMS has been out all this season, are you in a position to compare him with Grabban, do you know enough about CMS to offer an opinion?[/p][/quote]Vegas - you are definitely losing the plot. What has CMS got to do with it? I expect the bmth poster is a troll anyway.[/p][/quote]I was asking them to try and compare the two players, Grabban and CMS, if they could, I don't see that as losing the plot. The guy described Grabban's play as, a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal, doesn't that sound a little like CMS? If we sign a new striker I would hope that the player can bring something to the club that we don't have now, or at least improve on what we do have. I think it was a fair question.[/p][/quote]From what I've seen of CMS I would take him over Grabs any day of the week. Problem is that with the injuries he has had one would question whether he will ever get back to the standard he was at previously. Its absolutely a fair question to ask for a comparison. Im not trolling this site, i have respect for your club but obviously post with the best interests of my own. In my opinion Grabs will not add much to your squad, he is certainly not even close to premiership quality, he had a good start to the season but hasn't been scoring much recently. A lot of hustle and bustle with little end product. In fact when we got promoted last season a large contingent of our fans (including myself) seriously doubted that he would live up to championship standard. For 1.1. million you are paying far over the odds and I think it is a great profit for Bournemouth. He obviously has no loyalty. He signed a new contract with us three months ago and now he's messing you about. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed already. He's money grabbing![/p][/quote]The new contract he signed with you recently was more to do with the club wanting to keep him or gain more by his sale. I doubt a December contract extension would have been instigated by the player himself. Were you complaining about his loyalty when he left Rotheram to join you? :-) But fair play to the rest of your post.[/p][/quote]Yeah, your right it probably was instigated by us to gain more from his sale, which by the sound of things is exactly what it has achieved, if he signs that is. No I wasn't complaining when he left Rotherham but if you look at his history it clearly indicates that he doesn't like to settle and he club hops regularly. No doubt he won't stay long with you either, 1) because he never does and 2) because he isn't good enough for your club and where you want to be. That is a fact. A lot of cherries fans have been saying for ages that we need another striker because the current bunch aren't good enough for this division, if this sale goes through we'll need two so I hope Eddie Howe moves quickly as I fear that unless he does we will be in major trouble with only two out on out strikers on the books and neither prolific at this level. Good luck for the rest of the season, I think you have got a good chance but don't expect Grabban to enhance them too much as a fear you will all be disappointed. bmth-till-i-die
  • Score: 4

3:46pm Fri 17 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

BomoSam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it? How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set. I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton. I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.
Clearly his agent has been touting him around which is another matter, I realise he doesn't have any other offers that we know of at the moment but he may have soon as the window draws to a close. I agree you want players who are committed to your cause but realistically money is always going to be factor these days, I was just making the point that a few people on here seem very quick to dismiss him as a mercenary for not snapping up your offer immediately.

We'd all like players who show the same loyalty to our clubs that we do as fans but the vast majority of players follow the money and/or go to the bigger club whenever they get the opportunity. Maybe I'm just used to it after years of having our players snapped up for peanuts when they show the slightest glimmer of talent, but personally I've come to terms with how things work now. There's usually someone willing to step up and make a name for themselves when any player moves on - if Grabban stays then great, if not then we paid a rumoured £2m for Tokelo Rantie who hasn't really fired yet so maybe he'll grab his chance.
fair comments
[quote][p][bold]BomoSam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bomo, if the lad has 3 or 4 offers on the table then yes, of course he should study them all, but that isn't the case, is it? How did Brighton come to learn that Grabban had an exit clause in his contract, do you think maybe it was info from his agent, did we get a call as I doubt Bournemouth made the fact public knowledge. We know that other clubs are looking for strikers, QPR being one and Leeds another, if either of them were talking to Grabban we would know, his agent would kick off a bidding war regarding personnel terms as his sale price has already been set. I think this delay is being caused by Bournemouth wanting to keep him, they are trying to match our best offer, and I don't have a problem with that. Now if the lad does get a better deal from Bournemouth and stays, that might suggest that the only thing this lad is interested in is money, after all he didn't need to speak to Brighton. I will eat as much humble pie as you can throw at me if we hear today that 3 or 4 clubs are trying to sign him.[/p][/quote]Clearly his agent has been touting him around which is another matter, I realise he doesn't have any other offers that we know of at the moment but he may have soon as the window draws to a close. I agree you want players who are committed to your cause but realistically money is always going to be factor these days, I was just making the point that a few people on here seem very quick to dismiss him as a mercenary for not snapping up your offer immediately. We'd all like players who show the same loyalty to our clubs that we do as fans but the vast majority of players follow the money and/or go to the bigger club whenever they get the opportunity. Maybe I'm just used to it after years of having our players snapped up for peanuts when they show the slightest glimmer of talent, but personally I've come to terms with how things work now. There's usually someone willing to step up and make a name for themselves when any player moves on - if Grabban stays then great, if not then we paid a rumoured £2m for Tokelo Rantie who hasn't really fired yet so maybe he'll grab his chance.[/p][/quote]fair comments VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:17pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I'm worried about this get out clause of £1.1m. Why did Bournemouth agree to this unless they thought no one would offer that because it's way over the top. Unless of course he's over performed in the last few months which doesn't seem to be the case going by comments by Cherries fans on here.
Just a thought. UTA
I'm worried about this get out clause of £1.1m. Why did Bournemouth agree to this unless they thought no one would offer that because it's way over the top. Unless of course he's over performed in the last few months which doesn't seem to be the case going by comments by Cherries fans on here. Just a thought. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Fri 17 Jan 14

gozogull says...

It's nice to read sensible comments from two sets of TRUE fans rather than the usual cr@p that is often posted from opposing trolls, or so called fans
It's nice to read sensible comments from two sets of TRUE fans rather than the usual cr@p that is often posted from opposing trolls, or so called fans gozogull
  • Score: 6

4:52pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Talkingheadera says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent.
Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money?
No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after.
We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.
You are having a laugh if you think he is good enough for the premier league!
Most of us Bmth fans are rubbing out hands with glee over the inflated fee.!
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot talking over personal terms with a player or his agent. Does he want to come and play for Brighton and Hove Albion or is the main interest in money? No disrespect to Bournemouth FC but side by side with the AMEX there surly is no contest as with the team that is more likely to be in the Premiership next season or the season after. We need players who are like El-Abd who although put money into perspective they put the club on a higher or even level keel.[/p][/quote]You are having a laugh if you think he is good enough for the premier league! Most of us Bmth fans are rubbing out hands with glee over the inflated fee.! Talkingheadera
  • Score: -1

4:55pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I'm worried about this get out clause of £1.1m. Why did Bournemouth agree to this unless they thought no one would offer that because it's way over the top. Unless of course he's over performed in the last few months which doesn't seem to be the case going by comments by Cherries fans on here.
Just a thought. UTA
It's possible that the get-out clause is directly related to the wages in the contract. Not all get-out clauses are designed to put off suitors and not all are instigated by the club.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I'm worried about this get out clause of £1.1m. Why did Bournemouth agree to this unless they thought no one would offer that because it's way over the top. Unless of course he's over performed in the last few months which doesn't seem to be the case going by comments by Cherries fans on here. Just a thought. UTA[/p][/quote]It's possible that the get-out clause is directly related to the wages in the contract. Not all get-out clauses are designed to put off suitors and not all are instigated by the club. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I'm worried about this get out clause of £1.1m. Why did Bournemouth agree to this unless they thought no one would offer that because it's way over the top. Unless of course he's over performed in the last few months which doesn't seem to be the case going by comments by Cherries fans on here.
Just a thought. UTA
It's possible that the get-out clause is directly related to the wages in the contract. Not all get-out clauses are designed to put off suitors and not all are instigated by the club.
OK cheers
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I'm worried about this get out clause of £1.1m. Why did Bournemouth agree to this unless they thought no one would offer that because it's way over the top. Unless of course he's over performed in the last few months which doesn't seem to be the case going by comments by Cherries fans on here. Just a thought. UTA[/p][/quote]It's possible that the get-out clause is directly related to the wages in the contract. Not all get-out clauses are designed to put off suitors and not all are instigated by the club.[/p][/quote]OK cheers Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Well I still hope he signs. I thought he showed a lot of potential New Years day and I can see him fitting in well. I was worried that he might be reluctant to sign at present as Bournemouth were drawn v Liverpool in the FA Cup and maybe he fancied having at pop at them. It's an attractive proposition for any player and a good game from him could enhance his prospects even more. Maybe that's just me being sentimental but if it were me, I might not want to move just yet. As for nonsense about loyalty and signing contracts etc, I have another angle on that. Once a player is given a contract then he has to be sold if someone wants him thereby bringing money into the club. If he's out of contract, he'd go for nothing. We did the same with El Abd. We gave him a new contract when there was little prospect of him featuring regularly. As a result, we got a fee for him which we wouldn't have if we'd allowed his contract to run out. We sold Barnes because we wanted the fee. In the summer he would have left for nothing. He had no future here and it was the same for Barker, Dickenson and El Abd. Their sales have bought in around £1m which we can now invest in someone with the ability to get us into The Premiership. Players are sale-able commodities, like it or not, and to strengthen the squad you have to sell off those who are deemed as not having a future here. El Abd is Brighton through and through and has been a great servant. But I bet he's absolutely over the moon at being offered a new contract, being in a position where he will be selected week in and week out, and received a nice signing-on fee to boot.
You haven't read the views of Bournemouth fans

bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!

We don't want more of the same. We want quality not mediocre quantity. We already have Obika and CMS to return soon.

If this is the best Jones and Burke can come up with, then Gus was right that this club has no real ambition. The signing if it happens is the sort you would associate with a third tier side or lower second tier side like Millwall (albeit overpriced).

Oscar will soon realise he's nowhere near Premiership quality, and he will spend most of his time on the bench. If his coming signals the departure of Will Buckley - then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players. It's clear that Grabban or his agent is holding out for the most he can screw out of us.

IMHO there's something seriously wrong with the set-up at the AMEX if non-football players like Burke and assistant managers - who don't have premiership quality football brains - decide the transfer policy.

.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Well I still hope he signs. I thought he showed a lot of potential New Years day and I can see him fitting in well. I was worried that he might be reluctant to sign at present as Bournemouth were drawn v Liverpool in the FA Cup and maybe he fancied having at pop at them. It's an attractive proposition for any player and a good game from him could enhance his prospects even more. Maybe that's just me being sentimental but if it were me, I might not want to move just yet. As for nonsense about loyalty and signing contracts etc, I have another angle on that. Once a player is given a contract then he has to be sold if someone wants him thereby bringing money into the club. If he's out of contract, he'd go for nothing. We did the same with El Abd. We gave him a new contract when there was little prospect of him featuring regularly. As a result, we got a fee for him which we wouldn't have if we'd allowed his contract to run out. We sold Barnes because we wanted the fee. In the summer he would have left for nothing. He had no future here and it was the same for Barker, Dickenson and El Abd. Their sales have bought in around £1m which we can now invest in someone with the ability to get us into The Premiership. Players are sale-able commodities, like it or not, and to strengthen the squad you have to sell off those who are deemed as not having a future here. El Abd is Brighton through and through and has been a great servant. But I bet he's absolutely over the moon at being offered a new contract, being in a position where he will be selected week in and week out, and received a nice signing-on fee to boot.[/p][/quote]You haven't read the views of Bournemouth fans bmth-till-i-die wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth! We don't want more of the same. We want quality not mediocre quantity. We already have Obika and CMS to return soon. If this is the best Jones and Burke can come up with, then Gus was right that this club has no real ambition. The signing if it happens is the sort you would associate with a third tier side or lower second tier side like Millwall (albeit overpriced). Oscar will soon realise he's nowhere near Premiership quality, and he will spend most of his time on the bench. If his coming signals the departure of Will Buckley - then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players. It's clear that Grabban or his agent is holding out for the most he can screw out of us. IMHO there's something seriously wrong with the set-up at the AMEX if non-football players like Burke and assistant managers - who don't have premiership quality football brains - decide the transfer policy. . Vince
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players"

Never been to Withdean then?
"then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

6:35pm Fri 17 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

Vince wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
Well I still hope he signs. I thought he showed a lot of potential New Years day and I can see him fitting in well. I was worried that he might be reluctant to sign at present as Bournemouth were drawn v Liverpool in the FA Cup and maybe he fancied having at pop at them. It's an attractive proposition for any player and a good game from him could enhance his prospects even more. Maybe that's just me being sentimental but if it were me, I might not want to move just yet. As for nonsense about loyalty and signing contracts etc, I have another angle on that. Once a player is given a contract then he has to be sold if someone wants him thereby bringing money into the club. If he's out of contract, he'd go for nothing. We did the same with El Abd. We gave him a new contract when there was little prospect of him featuring regularly. As a result, we got a fee for him which we wouldn't have if we'd allowed his contract to run out. We sold Barnes because we wanted the fee. In the summer he would have left for nothing. He had no future here and it was the same for Barker, Dickenson and El Abd. Their sales have bought in around £1m which we can now invest in someone with the ability to get us into The Premiership. Players are sale-able commodities, like it or not, and to strengthen the squad you have to sell off those who are deemed as not having a future here. El Abd is Brighton through and through and has been a great servant. But I bet he's absolutely over the moon at being offered a new contract, being in a position where he will be selected week in and week out, and received a nice signing-on fee to boot.
You haven't read the views of Bournemouth fans

bmth-till-i-die wrote:
Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth!

We don't want more of the same. We want quality not mediocre quantity. We already have Obika and CMS to return soon.

If this is the best Jones and Burke can come up with, then Gus was right that this club has no real ambition. The signing if it happens is the sort you would associate with a third tier side or lower second tier side like Millwall (albeit overpriced).

Oscar will soon realise he's nowhere near Premiership quality, and he will spend most of his time on the bench. If his coming signals the departure of Will Buckley - then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players. It's clear that Grabban or his agent is holding out for the most he can screw out of us.

IMHO there's something seriously wrong with the set-up at the AMEX if non-football players like Burke and assistant managers - who don't have premiership quality football brains - decide the transfer policy.

.
When Will first signed, Vince, he was thrilling to watch. I posted that he was the most exciting player I'd seen for years. For me now, he is a shadow of the player he was. I would, however, be very sad to see him depart. For some reason, neither our former manager or Oscar have harnessed his undoubted skills. If he is not going to be allowed to hug the right touchline and play the old fashioned wing role, then a generous bid might be best for all.
I concur with your unease over what appears to be the control of transfer policy. I would like to think that Oscar is spending some time at matches running the rule over certain players that he has become aware of, or have been noted by our scouts. Is that happening in midweek games? Is he getting away from the Amex to do this or leaving it just to others?
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Well I still hope he signs. I thought he showed a lot of potential New Years day and I can see him fitting in well. I was worried that he might be reluctant to sign at present as Bournemouth were drawn v Liverpool in the FA Cup and maybe he fancied having at pop at them. It's an attractive proposition for any player and a good game from him could enhance his prospects even more. Maybe that's just me being sentimental but if it were me, I might not want to move just yet. As for nonsense about loyalty and signing contracts etc, I have another angle on that. Once a player is given a contract then he has to be sold if someone wants him thereby bringing money into the club. If he's out of contract, he'd go for nothing. We did the same with El Abd. We gave him a new contract when there was little prospect of him featuring regularly. As a result, we got a fee for him which we wouldn't have if we'd allowed his contract to run out. We sold Barnes because we wanted the fee. In the summer he would have left for nothing. He had no future here and it was the same for Barker, Dickenson and El Abd. Their sales have bought in around £1m which we can now invest in someone with the ability to get us into The Premiership. Players are sale-able commodities, like it or not, and to strengthen the squad you have to sell off those who are deemed as not having a future here. El Abd is Brighton through and through and has been a great servant. But I bet he's absolutely over the moon at being offered a new contract, being in a position where he will be selected week in and week out, and received a nice signing-on fee to boot.[/p][/quote]You haven't read the views of Bournemouth fans bmth-till-i-die wrote: Im a Die hard Cherries fan and I can tell you honestly, that for 1.1 Million you could do a lot better. What you will get from Grabs is a lot of running about, a lot of work and the occasional goal (he misses a lot more than he scores) but honestly, if you think that he will help your cause to become a premiership club you are sorely mistaken. For 1.1. Mil, great bit of business for Bournemouth! We don't want more of the same. We want quality not mediocre quantity. We already have Obika and CMS to return soon. If this is the best Jones and Burke can come up with, then Gus was right that this club has no real ambition. The signing if it happens is the sort you would associate with a third tier side or lower second tier side like Millwall (albeit overpriced). Oscar will soon realise he's nowhere near Premiership quality, and he will spend most of his time on the bench. If his coming signals the departure of Will Buckley - then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players. It's clear that Grabban or his agent is holding out for the most he can screw out of us. IMHO there's something seriously wrong with the set-up at the AMEX if non-football players like Burke and assistant managers - who don't have premiership quality football brains - decide the transfer policy. .[/p][/quote]When Will first signed, Vince, he was thrilling to watch. I posted that he was the most exciting player I'd seen for years. For me now, he is a shadow of the player he was. I would, however, be very sad to see him depart. For some reason, neither our former manager or Oscar have harnessed his undoubted skills. If he is not going to be allowed to hug the right touchline and play the old fashioned wing role, then a generous bid might be best for all. I concur with your unease over what appears to be the control of transfer policy. I would like to think that Oscar is spending some time at matches running the rule over certain players that he has become aware of, or have been noted by our scouts. Is that happening in midweek games? Is he getting away from the Amex to do this or leaving it just to others? wiseman of hove
  • Score: 4

6:41pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?
Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?[/p][/quote]Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away! Vince
  • Score: 5

6:57pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Vince wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?
Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away!
"In the past..."

And there you have it; we are not in the past. Things change and move on.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that we have a manager, someone who has the dual roles of player acquisition and player coaching.. We have Burke who is in charge of the former and Oscar who performs the latter. The 'manager' role is being largely deprecated.

They will work closely together and discuss options - the kind of player OG wants, the kind of player available and within budget etc. Neither man is flying solo here.

And OG will know just about as much about Grabban (or other players) as any previous 'manager' who would have relied on a scouting network, but it isn't his responsibility to head that network or bring the targets in.

I also think you do Burke a massive disservice by calling him a "non football person" - his CV is extensive, and at richer clubs than ours. He knows far, far more about players than we do and probably more about football in general.

OG knew the setup when he joined and was happy to join under that framework. In fact he has never operated as an old-style 'manager' - he is a coach and, IMO, a bloody good one.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?[/p][/quote]Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away![/p][/quote]"In the past..." And there you have it; we are not in the past. Things change and move on. You seem to be under the misapprehension that we have a manager, someone who has the dual roles of player acquisition and player coaching.. We have Burke who is in charge of the former and Oscar who performs the latter. The 'manager' role is being largely deprecated. They will work closely together and discuss options - the kind of player OG wants, the kind of player available and within budget etc. Neither man is flying solo here. And OG will know just about as much about Grabban (or other players) as any previous 'manager' who would have relied on a scouting network, but it isn't his responsibility to head that network or bring the targets in. I also think you do Burke a massive disservice by calling him a "non football person" - his CV is extensive, and at richer clubs than ours. He knows far, far more about players than we do and probably more about football in general. OG knew the setup when he joined and was happy to join under that framework. In fact he has never operated as an old-style 'manager' - he is a coach and, IMO, a bloody good one. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"The Argus understands Albion remain Grabban's preferred destination"

That might be a very important sentence in the shake-up.
"The Argus understands Albion remain Grabban's preferred destination" That might be a very important sentence in the shake-up. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

7:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Afcbpete says...

Transfer has collapsed then!!
Transfer has collapsed then!! Afcbpete
  • Score: 4

7:37pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Vince wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?
Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away!
Burke is not a non-football person, he was chosen for the job because of his knowledge and experience in football.
Oscar does say yes or no to targets that Burke has flagged up, and the club has explained the policy, more than once.
All you should worry about is whether Oscar is happy with the situation or not and as he said when he first arrived that he would be relying on Burke and co to help him strengthen the squad, I assume he is.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?[/p][/quote]Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away![/p][/quote]Burke is not a non-football person, he was chosen for the job because of his knowledge and experience in football. Oscar does say yes or no to targets that Burke has flagged up, and the club has explained the policy, more than once. All you should worry about is whether Oscar is happy with the situation or not and as he said when he first arrived that he would be relying on Burke and co to help him strengthen the squad, I assume he is. Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Fri 17 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

MEMO to Mr Bloom.
Do NOT buy Grabban.
£1.1m is way over the odds. Worth half a mill max.
Simples.
MEMO to Mr Bloom. Do NOT buy Grabban. £1.1m is way over the odds. Worth half a mill max. Simples. kwaidam
  • Score: 4

9:01pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Vince says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Vince wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote: "then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?
Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away!
"In the past..." And there you have it; we are not in the past. Things change and move on. You seem to be under the misapprehension that we have a manager, someone who has the dual roles of player acquisition and player coaching.. We have Burke who is in charge of the former and Oscar who performs the latter. The 'manager' role is being largely deprecated. They will work closely together and discuss options - the kind of player OG wants, the kind of player available and within budget etc. Neither man is flying solo here. And OG will know just about as much about Grabban (or other players) as any previous 'manager' who would have relied on a scouting network, but it isn't his responsibility to head that network or bring the targets in. I also think you do Burke a massive disservice by calling him a "non football person" - his CV is extensive, and at richer clubs than ours. He knows far, far more about players than we do and probably more about football in general. OG knew the setup when he joined and was happy to join under that framework. In fact he has never operated as an old-style 'manager' - he is a coach and, IMO, a bloody good one.
By "non-football person" I am referring to someone who has not played professional football. I am aware that Oscar is the coach - and transfers are negotiated by others. I am aware that all clubs have a scouting network, and there was a very successful scout by the name of Jimmy Thompson in the 50's who recommended several top name players to one of the top London clubs. The point is some managers also liked to do their own scouting, and would often pay a private visit to run the rule over a certain player. Gary Nelson used to spend most of his (very little) spare time watching games to spot players for Torquay when he was manager there. I realise that Oscar operates differently, but I think it's great when managers are committed enough to do their own scouting.

I too am sure that Oscar will always be consulted on prospective purchases, and like you, believe, from reports I hear from fans and players, that Oscar is a great coach and well respected and liked.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "then it may well signal my departure - because I don't want to pay my money over to see it frittered away on second rate players" Never been to Withdean then?[/p][/quote]Yes. I've been to Withdean many times and Gillingham and over 40 years at the Goldstone. We have always cut our cloth according to the cost. My point is that, in the past it has always been down to the manager to select what players he wants. I doubt whether Oscar knows too much about Grabban. What I am saying is that this policy of non-football people selecting what players we need to buy is not right. The manager should have the final say. If this is not now the case, then I who pay my money have the right to protest. The club should explain the policy to the fans who pay their money. Don't worry - non-attendance was an idle threat - as I will always remain an Albion fan, and it would take a lot to keep me away![/p][/quote]"In the past..." And there you have it; we are not in the past. Things change and move on. You seem to be under the misapprehension that we have a manager, someone who has the dual roles of player acquisition and player coaching.. We have Burke who is in charge of the former and Oscar who performs the latter. The 'manager' role is being largely deprecated. They will work closely together and discuss options - the kind of player OG wants, the kind of player available and within budget etc. Neither man is flying solo here. And OG will know just about as much about Grabban (or other players) as any previous 'manager' who would have relied on a scouting network, but it isn't his responsibility to head that network or bring the targets in. I also think you do Burke a massive disservice by calling him a "non football person" - his CV is extensive, and at richer clubs than ours. He knows far, far more about players than we do and probably more about football in general. OG knew the setup when he joined and was happy to join under that framework. In fact he has never operated as an old-style 'manager' - he is a coach and, IMO, a bloody good one.[/p][/quote]By "non-football person" I am referring to someone who has not played professional football. I am aware that Oscar is the coach - and transfers are negotiated by others. I am aware that all clubs have a scouting network, and there was a very successful scout by the name of Jimmy Thompson in the 50's who recommended several top name players to one of the top London clubs. The point is some managers also liked to do their own scouting, and would often pay a private visit to run the rule over a certain player. Gary Nelson used to spend most of his (very little) spare time watching games to spot players for Torquay when he was manager there. I realise that Oscar operates differently, but I think it's great when managers are committed enough to do their own scouting. I too am sure that Oscar will always be consulted on prospective purchases, and like you, believe, from reports I hear from fans and players, that Oscar is a great coach and well respected and liked. Vince
  • Score: 1

11:20pm Fri 17 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Rougvie Legend wrote: Ime sure it was posted some where last night he wants a garauntee of first team football , well that aint gonna happen
It was copied onto here from the football rumours (ie football bullsh*t) website where anyone can write literally anything. No-one demands guaranteed first team football, so it's nonsense. If he thought he needed a guarantee then it would show a lot of faith in his own ability to be regularly picked, would it?
I agree that anything from a rumour site has no substance to it. However, I can imagine Mr Grabban would be pretty keen to know where he would stand in our squad. It's not a big enough step up to go for it whatever. He must know we play one up top. He will also know we have Ulloa. And that an in-form Ulloa (or even a half in-form Ulloa) would be difficult to drop.

Knowledge of the above suggests that he won't be playing regularly like he is for Bournemouth. If thats important to him, which at his age it should be, its not a brilliant move for him. If we were 10 points clear at the top, it might be something he could cope with but not when there is no guarantee he won't be in the same division again next year.

I'm also of the opinion its possibly not a great move for us either! He looks useful and is having a good season but its not a prolonged run of success to suggest he is destined for bigger things. At 26, you would think he would have showed something of note before now. And, lets face, he's not as good as Ulloa. How many of us would play him ahead of a fit CMS? Right now, in our current situation, £1.1m is a hell of a lot of money for someone that isn't going to add a massive amount to a promotion run.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rougvie Legend[/bold] wrote: Ime sure it was posted some where last night he wants a garauntee of first team football , well that aint gonna happen[/p][/quote]It was copied onto here from the football rumours (ie football bullsh*t) website where anyone can write literally anything. No-one demands guaranteed first team football, so it's nonsense. If he thought he needed a guarantee then it would show a lot of faith in his own ability to be regularly picked, would it?[/p][/quote]I agree that anything from a rumour site has no substance to it. However, I can imagine Mr Grabban would be pretty keen to know where he would stand in our squad. It's not a big enough step up to go for it whatever. He must know we play one up top. He will also know we have Ulloa. And that an in-form Ulloa (or even a half in-form Ulloa) would be difficult to drop. Knowledge of the above suggests that he won't be playing regularly like he is for Bournemouth. If thats important to him, which at his age it should be, its not a brilliant move for him. If we were 10 points clear at the top, it might be something he could cope with but not when there is no guarantee he won't be in the same division again next year. I'm also of the opinion its possibly not a great move for us either! He looks useful and is having a good season but its not a prolonged run of success to suggest he is destined for bigger things. At 26, you would think he would have showed something of note before now. And, lets face, he's not as good as Ulloa. How many of us would play him ahead of a fit CMS? Right now, in our current situation, £1.1m is a hell of a lot of money for someone that isn't going to add a massive amount to a promotion run. WestStander17
  • Score: 2

12:38am Sat 18 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Vince - fair enough, but I think too much store is placed by someone having played the game professionally. All that proves is that they had ball skills, it doesn't mean they can spot a player who can fit in and has the right attributes. That's a different skill-set entirely.

WestStander17 - all fair points, but he must think that if he's been bought for more than a million he must stand a fair chance of landing a starting berth, unless we've suddenly become rich enough to spend that kind of cash on bench players. Honestly I don't know what plans Burke and OG have for him and how he would fit into the team, but there must be a fairly compelling case for his purchase.
Vince - fair enough, but I think too much store is placed by someone having played the game professionally. All that proves is that they had ball skills, it doesn't mean they can spot a player who can fit in and has the right attributes. That's a different skill-set entirely. WestStander17 - all fair points, but he must think that if he's been bought for more than a million he must stand a fair chance of landing a starting berth, unless we've suddenly become rich enough to spend that kind of cash on bench players. Honestly I don't know what plans Burke and OG have for him and how he would fit into the team, but there must be a fairly compelling case for his purchase. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

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