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Single strike sinks Seagulls

The Argus: Tomasz Kuszczak is beaten by Robert Bamford's winner (photo Simon Dack) Tomasz Kuszczak is beaten by Robert Bamford's winner (photo Simon Dack)

Albion were sunk by a goal out of the blue at Derby today.

The Seagulls went down 1-0 to cap a difficult week.

Robert Bamford came off the bench to hit the winner on his home debut with a curler from the edge of the box in the 75th minute.

Defeat was harsh on the Seagulls in a game of few chances.

They were denied once in each half by Lee Grant.

The home goalkeeper got up to tip a powerful Matt Upson header over the bar in the first half.

He then dived low to his right to grab a drive by Leo Ulloa, who seemed to be pulled back as he shot, just after Bamford’s goal.

Albion played some neat football but generally lacked a cutting edge.

Andrea Orlandi started a game for the time since the opening day of the season and successfully came through 67 minutes.

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5:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 20

5:15pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Where was bridcut today.

What double standards we have, i dont remember gus refusing to manage the team, yet bridcut does not have one bad word said against him.

I think we can now clearly see why Gus did not fancy the job anymore, more cuts than the tories,and who can blame him
Where was bridcut today. What double standards we have, i dont remember gus refusing to manage the team, yet bridcut does not have one bad word said against him. I think we can now clearly see why Gus did not fancy the job anymore, more cuts than the tories,and who can blame him ringtone
  • Score: -34

5:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

batray says...

I think our position in the league is about right - with a bit more quality going forward we would be up with the best - new faces will be crucial to get in play offs this year. Shows the opportunity that was missed last year but all is not lost!
I think our position in the league is about right - with a bit more quality going forward we would be up with the best - new faces will be crucial to get in play offs this year. Shows the opportunity that was missed last year but all is not lost! batray
  • Score: 8

5:22pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.
Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land. tonypulis
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Steveg1958 says...

yep all is not lost but we do need a clinical goal scorer and I'm sorry a youngster from Spurs under 21 squad just doesn't do it for me, please, please get one in before the window closes, or I fear we will just miss the play offs this time. We need a "proven" scorer to help Leo and CMS when back.
yep all is not lost but we do need a clinical goal scorer and I'm sorry a youngster from Spurs under 21 squad just doesn't do it for me, please, please get one in before the window closes, or I fear we will just miss the play offs this time. We need a "proven" scorer to help Leo and CMS when back. Steveg1958
  • Score: 4

5:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Major Bloodboil says...

A very tight game - could have gone either way. Saying that we only looked like scoring from set pieces.
Bruno, Upson and Ince were outstanding.
Neither March nor Obika (who looks a little overweight) got a look in after they came on, which was surprising although Derby packed their defence as soon as they went one up.
The ref gave Ulloa absolutely nothing and kept penalising him. All refs seem to have something against him and I don't know why.
We badly missed Lua Lua today.
Hope we sign someone useful and soon.
Bridcutt is clearly on his way so we must have plenty of money to play with.
A very tight game - could have gone either way. Saying that we only looked like scoring from set pieces. Bruno, Upson and Ince were outstanding. Neither March nor Obika (who looks a little overweight) got a look in after they came on, which was surprising although Derby packed their defence as soon as they went one up. The ref gave Ulloa absolutely nothing and kept penalising him. All refs seem to have something against him and I don't know why. We badly missed Lua Lua today. Hope we sign someone useful and soon. Bridcutt is clearly on his way so we must have plenty of money to play with. Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 7

5:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

We can't make excuses for today's performance, not when the players on the park didn't do the basics right and today we didn't. Derby were crap, we were crap, neither side looked like a top six team, both looked like relegation battlers. If we had only played to just half our potential we would and won today.
Just looking at Derby's performance we dropped three points today, looking at our performance we didn't deserve three points, a draw would have been a fair reflection of the skills on show from both teams, both were very poor.

So very little flowing football from us, so very little supply of any quality to Ulloa, and he didn't look good even when he got the ball. Nothing to speak of from David or JFC, Ince did ok in his defensive duties but again, very little going forward. Upson's headed attempt was the highlight for me. We delivered virtually nothing in the final third of the park. Derby fans must be over the moon at picking up three points today because their team was just as bad as we were.

Bridcutt was fit to play but didn't travel, I hope that means that he is gone come Monday and Oscar is allowed to bring in some players because on today's showing, a bunch of ours need to be stood down.
We can't make excuses for today's performance, not when the players on the park didn't do the basics right and today we didn't. Derby were crap, we were crap, neither side looked like a top six team, both looked like relegation battlers. If we had only played to just half our potential we would and won today. Just looking at Derby's performance we dropped three points today, looking at our performance we didn't deserve three points, a draw would have been a fair reflection of the skills on show from both teams, both were very poor. So very little flowing football from us, so very little supply of any quality to Ulloa, and he didn't look good even when he got the ball. Nothing to speak of from David or JFC, Ince did ok in his defensive duties but again, very little going forward. Upson's headed attempt was the highlight for me. We delivered virtually nothing in the final third of the park. Derby fans must be over the moon at picking up three points today because their team was just as bad as we were. Bridcutt was fit to play but didn't travel, I hope that means that he is gone come Monday and Oscar is allowed to bring in some players because on today's showing, a bunch of ours need to be stood down. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 13

5:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Neville says...

Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.
Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon. Neville
  • Score: -1

5:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.
Are you saying that Bridcutt told Oscar that he (Bridcutt) was not in the right frame of mind to play, and therefore was left off the bus?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that Bridcutt told Oscar that he (Bridcutt) was not in the right frame of mind to play, and therefore was left off the bus? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

albion64 says...

tonypulis wrote:
Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.
Oh you are back at last. Palarce haven't had a sniff in weeks and you have been missing all that time. Now they get a lucky 3 points, we lose and you come out of your hiding place. See you next season
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.[/p][/quote]Oh you are back at last. Palarce haven't had a sniff in weeks and you have been missing all that time. Now they get a lucky 3 points, we lose and you come out of your hiding place. See you next season albion64
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view. Neville
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We can't make excuses for today's performance, not when the players on the park didn't do the basics right and today we didn't. Derby were crap, we were crap, neither side looked like a top six team, both looked like relegation battlers. If we had only played to just half our potential we would and won today.
Just looking at Derby's performance we dropped three points today, looking at our performance we didn't deserve three points, a draw would have been a fair reflection of the skills on show from both teams, both were very poor.

So very little flowing football from us, so very little supply of any quality to Ulloa, and he didn't look good even when he got the ball. Nothing to speak of from David or JFC, Ince did ok in his defensive duties but again, very little going forward. Upson's headed attempt was the highlight for me. We delivered virtually nothing in the final third of the park. Derby fans must be over the moon at picking up three points today because their team was just as bad as we were.

Bridcutt was fit to play but didn't travel, I hope that means that he is gone come Monday and Oscar is allowed to bring in some players because on today's showing, a bunch of ours need to be stood down.
Spot on Vegas, a dire performance from both teams, Andrews was our worst player for me closely followed by the ever disappointing Lopez! Ince had an average game but stood out as our best player as the others were that bad.
It seems that as players have come back from injury we've gone downhill, I know a few have left and a couple have injuries but today was the worst display of the season for me. Port Vale next week who will be full of confidence and will be a tough test for us.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We can't make excuses for today's performance, not when the players on the park didn't do the basics right and today we didn't. Derby were crap, we were crap, neither side looked like a top six team, both looked like relegation battlers. If we had only played to just half our potential we would and won today. Just looking at Derby's performance we dropped three points today, looking at our performance we didn't deserve three points, a draw would have been a fair reflection of the skills on show from both teams, both were very poor. So very little flowing football from us, so very little supply of any quality to Ulloa, and he didn't look good even when he got the ball. Nothing to speak of from David or JFC, Ince did ok in his defensive duties but again, very little going forward. Upson's headed attempt was the highlight for me. We delivered virtually nothing in the final third of the park. Derby fans must be over the moon at picking up three points today because their team was just as bad as we were. Bridcutt was fit to play but didn't travel, I hope that means that he is gone come Monday and Oscar is allowed to bring in some players because on today's showing, a bunch of ours need to be stood down.[/p][/quote]Spot on Vegas, a dire performance from both teams, Andrews was our worst player for me closely followed by the ever disappointing Lopez! Ince had an average game but stood out as our best player as the others were that bad. It seems that as players have come back from injury we've gone downhill, I know a few have left and a couple have injuries but today was the worst display of the season for me. Port Vale next week who will be full of confidence and will be a tough test for us. To baldly go
  • Score: 3

5:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

albion64 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time.

We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time. We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA albion64
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Neville wrote:
Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.
If this is true Neville ,then he is a disgrace to the Badge ,get shot quick and replace with someone who wants to play football and not monopoly !
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.[/p][/quote]If this is true Neville ,then he is a disgrace to the Badge ,get shot quick and replace with someone who wants to play football and not monopoly ! tug509
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Yes, that's right guys.... Put on your blue and white tinted glasses and don't have an opinion...

Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all.

No pace, no creativity, no ambition and most importantly, no points.

We might not have deserved to lose today but when you set up to Nick something or get a draw then I guess it's "poetic justice"

Leo is cutting a very forlorn figure right now... It has nothing to do with his fitness but that of being totally isolated.
He has no support what so ever and when he does win a header it goes straight to the goalie as no one is running off him.
If we lose Leo it will be because he will become disillusioned with fighting a battle he can't win.

We are so much better than we are showing right now but the talent is going to waste.
Yes we have won a few games but if we are honest, we have hardly destroyed teams.
All this talk of getting in a new striker... What's the point if it's just to play second fiddle on the bench every game.

On a positive note, we are still in it.

I'll take the thumbs down today. I'm totally p1ssed off and frustrated at all of our talent going to waste.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Yes, that's right guys.... Put on your blue and white tinted glasses and don't have an opinion... Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all. No pace, no creativity, no ambition and most importantly, no points. We might not have deserved to lose today but when you set up to Nick something or get a draw then I guess it's "poetic justice" Leo is cutting a very forlorn figure right now... It has nothing to do with his fitness but that of being totally isolated. He has no support what so ever and when he does win a header it goes straight to the goalie as no one is running off him. If we lose Leo it will be because he will become disillusioned with fighting a battle he can't win. We are so much better than we are showing right now but the talent is going to waste. Yes we have won a few games but if we are honest, we have hardly destroyed teams. All this talk of getting in a new striker... What's the point if it's just to play second fiddle on the bench every game. On a positive note, we are still in it. I'll take the thumbs down today. I'm totally p1ssed off and frustrated at all of our talent going to waste. SMF20
  • Score: 12

5:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Neville that is so wrong by Bridcutt, as you say, pretty darned close to refusing to play. I would now stop paying his wages until he is the, 'right,' frame of mind. I would also leave him out of first team training, stick him with the school boys because there is nothing to be gained by having the senior squad working with him.
Most of us assumed that if he were selected, he would be a true pro and play to his best, it appears that he is not a true pro at all. Stop his wages, stop his training, and stick a 4 million take it or leave price tag on his back. If that price deters others from buying him, oh well. Spending a few weeks with the school boys as the window winds down might straighten out his head, if the 4 million isn't paid.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Neville that is so wrong by Bridcutt, as you say, pretty darned close to refusing to play. I would now stop paying his wages until he is the, 'right,' frame of mind. I would also leave him out of first team training, stick him with the school boys because there is nothing to be gained by having the senior squad working with him. Most of us assumed that if he were selected, he would be a true pro and play to his best, it appears that he is not a true pro at all. Stop his wages, stop his training, and stick a 4 million take it or leave price tag on his back. If that price deters others from buying him, oh well. Spending a few weeks with the school boys as the window winds down might straighten out his head, if the 4 million isn't paid. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Sounds like neither side deserved to win, neither side deserved to lose, and neither side was creative enough.
Derby, however scored an outstanding goal and just edged it on luck.
A disappointing result but we move on. UTA
Sounds like neither side deserved to win, neither side deserved to lose, and neither side was creative enough. Derby, however scored an outstanding goal and just edged it on luck. A disappointing result but we move on. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 7

5:59pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA
Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA tug509
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.
Are you saying that Bridcutt told Oscar that he (Bridcutt) was not in the right frame of mind to play, and therefore was left off the bus?
The Gus Bus
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that Bridcutt told Oscar that he (Bridcutt) was not in the right frame of mind to play, and therefore was left off the bus?[/p][/quote]The Gus Bus ringtone
  • Score: -8

6:01pm Sat 18 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

Watched the game on-line and felt we deserved to come away with at least a draw, thought Derby where poor for a home team in the first half.
I just wish that we would start with two up front, playing Ulloa on his own seemed like he was really isolated and not a lot of balls to the box area from the wide men.
He also seemed to get very frustrated and in the end cost him a yellow card.
Watched the game on-line and felt we deserved to come away with at least a draw, thought Derby where poor for a home team in the first half. I just wish that we would start with two up front, playing Ulloa on his own seemed like he was really isolated and not a lot of balls to the box area from the wide men. He also seemed to get very frustrated and in the end cost him a yellow card. russellsnr2
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA
Tug, we might have been the better side, but crap is better than, 'real,' crap. At times it was hard to watch.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA[/p][/quote]Tug, we might have been the better side, but crap is better than, 'real,' crap. At times it was hard to watch. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

albion64 wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.
Oh you are back at last. Palarce haven't had a sniff in weeks and you have been missing all that time. Now they get a lucky 3 points, we lose and you come out of your hiding place. See you next season
I'm glad you missed me albion64. I was on a coaching course at the Nou Camp (only in an advisory position). Hopefully you will see us next season - in the Premier League. What a titanic relegation battle between us that will be eh?
[quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.[/p][/quote]Oh you are back at last. Palarce haven't had a sniff in weeks and you have been missing all that time. Now they get a lucky 3 points, we lose and you come out of your hiding place. See you next season[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed me albion64. I was on a coaching course at the Nou Camp (only in an advisory position). Hopefully you will see us next season - in the Premier League. What a titanic relegation battle between us that will be eh? tonypulis
  • Score: 5

6:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ringtone says...

The truth is Oscar, aka gus wannabe, came and parked the gus bus as per usual away from home.

God its boring to watch, a Derby fan outside told me we are the most negative team he has seen this season, i thanked him then went on my way
The truth is Oscar, aka gus wannabe, came and parked the gus bus as per usual away from home. God its boring to watch, a Derby fan outside told me we are the most negative team he has seen this season, i thanked him then went on my way ringtone
  • Score: -4

6:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis.

All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.
I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis. All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected. sussexram40
  • Score: 1

6:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.
Are you saying that Bridcutt told Oscar that he (Bridcutt) was not in the right frame of mind to play, and therefore was left off the bus?
The Gus Bus
Yeah but that bus is working a different route these days, but it's picking up a passenger or two here and there, it's expected back at the Amex any day now, just one passenger to climb aboard.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Interesting interview with OG,Bridcutt advises he is not in frame to play,what a shambles just angling his way for a move helped by agent,GP. Don't pay him just get rid of him and soon.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that Bridcutt told Oscar that he (Bridcutt) was not in the right frame of mind to play, and therefore was left off the bus?[/p][/quote]The Gus Bus[/p][/quote]Yeah but that bus is working a different route these days, but it's picking up a passenger or two here and there, it's expected back at the Amex any day now, just one passenger to climb aboard. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

6:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Yes, that's right guys.... Put on your blue and white tinted glasses and don't have an opinion...

Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all.

No pace, no creativity, no ambition and most importantly, no points.

We might not have deserved to lose today but when you set up to Nick something or get a draw then I guess it's "poetic justice"

Leo is cutting a very forlorn figure right now... It has nothing to do with his fitness but that of being totally isolated.
He has no support what so ever and when he does win a header it goes straight to the goalie as no one is running off him.
If we lose Leo it will be because he will become disillusioned with fighting a battle he can't win.

We are so much better than we are showing right now but the talent is going to waste.
Yes we have won a few games but if we are honest, we have hardly destroyed teams.
All this talk of getting in a new striker... What's the point if it's just to play second fiddle on the bench every game.

On a positive note, we are still in it.

I'll take the thumbs down today. I'm totally p1ssed off and frustrated at all of our talent going to waste.
Excellent post .UTA
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Yes, that's right guys.... Put on your blue and white tinted glasses and don't have an opinion... Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all. No pace, no creativity, no ambition and most importantly, no points. We might not have deserved to lose today but when you set up to Nick something or get a draw then I guess it's "poetic justice" Leo is cutting a very forlorn figure right now... It has nothing to do with his fitness but that of being totally isolated. He has no support what so ever and when he does win a header it goes straight to the goalie as no one is running off him. If we lose Leo it will be because he will become disillusioned with fighting a battle he can't win. We are so much better than we are showing right now but the talent is going to waste. Yes we have won a few games but if we are honest, we have hardly destroyed teams. All this talk of getting in a new striker... What's the point if it's just to play second fiddle on the bench every game. On a positive note, we are still in it. I'll take the thumbs down today. I'm totally p1ssed off and frustrated at all of our talent going to waste.[/p][/quote]Excellent post .UTA tug509
  • Score: 6

6:09pm Sat 18 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 5

6:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

albion64 says...

tonypulis wrote:
albion64 wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.
Oh you are back at last. Palarce haven't had a sniff in weeks and you have been missing all that time. Now they get a lucky 3 points, we lose and you come out of your hiding place. See you next season
I'm glad you missed me albion64. I was on a coaching course at the Nou Camp (only in an advisory position). Hopefully you will see us next season - in the Premier League. What a titanic relegation battle between us that will be eh?
It was the Poo Camp you mean. We will see you next season, more than likely in the Championship. I missed the rugby flavour you bring to the beautiful game. Keep practising those penalties old boy. UTA
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: Do not despair my seagull friends. You will reach the promised land.[/p][/quote]Oh you are back at last. Palarce haven't had a sniff in weeks and you have been missing all that time. Now they get a lucky 3 points, we lose and you come out of your hiding place. See you next season[/p][/quote]I'm glad you missed me albion64. I was on a coaching course at the Nou Camp (only in an advisory position). Hopefully you will see us next season - in the Premier League. What a titanic relegation battle between us that will be eh?[/p][/quote]It was the Poo Camp you mean. We will see you next season, more than likely in the Championship. I missed the rugby flavour you bring to the beautiful game. Keep practising those penalties old boy. UTA albion64
  • Score: 3

6:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Ringmer Rich says...

Deserved a point from the game, both sides were equal - although we played some very good neat and tight passing, It could have gone our way with a little luck,
Deserved a point from the game, both sides were equal - although we played some very good neat and tight passing, It could have gone our way with a little luck, Ringmer Rich
  • Score: 4

6:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Mancgulled says...

SMF20 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Yes, that's right guys.... Put on your blue and white tinted glasses and don't have an opinion...

Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all.

No pace, no creativity, no ambition and most importantly, no points.

We might not have deserved to lose today but when you set up to Nick something or get a draw then I guess it's "poetic justice"

Leo is cutting a very forlorn figure right now... It has nothing to do with his fitness but that of being totally isolated.
He has no support what so ever and when he does win a header it goes straight to the goalie as no one is running off him.
If we lose Leo it will be because he will become disillusioned with fighting a battle he can't win.

We are so much better than we are showing right now but the talent is going to waste.
Yes we have won a few games but if we are honest, we have hardly destroyed teams.
All this talk of getting in a new striker... What's the point if it's just to play second fiddle on the bench every game.

On a positive note, we are still in it.

I'll take the thumbs down today. I'm totally p1ssed off and frustrated at all of our talent going to waste.
Spot on that is! Until he starts fielding two strikers Albion are going to struggle and that is the pity because as you say they definitely have the personnel! Ulloa is probably despondent because he is being asked to do a job that his natural predisposition doesn't cater for - he's a great player with good talent but he does not have pace so he cannot lead the line by himself. At the Bournemouth match we really needed CMS. As you say though any striker signings, however talented, will be wasted using a one upfront system - this is not La Liga!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Yes, that's right guys.... Put on your blue and white tinted glasses and don't have an opinion... Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all. No pace, no creativity, no ambition and most importantly, no points. We might not have deserved to lose today but when you set up to Nick something or get a draw then I guess it's "poetic justice" Leo is cutting a very forlorn figure right now... It has nothing to do with his fitness but that of being totally isolated. He has no support what so ever and when he does win a header it goes straight to the goalie as no one is running off him. If we lose Leo it will be because he will become disillusioned with fighting a battle he can't win. We are so much better than we are showing right now but the talent is going to waste. Yes we have won a few games but if we are honest, we have hardly destroyed teams. All this talk of getting in a new striker... What's the point if it's just to play second fiddle on the bench every game. On a positive note, we are still in it. I'll take the thumbs down today. I'm totally p1ssed off and frustrated at all of our talent going to waste.[/p][/quote]Spot on that is! Until he starts fielding two strikers Albion are going to struggle and that is the pity because as you say they definitely have the personnel! Ulloa is probably despondent because he is being asked to do a job that his natural predisposition doesn't cater for - he's a great player with good talent but he does not have pace so he cannot lead the line by himself. At the Bournemouth match we really needed CMS. As you say though any striker signings, however talented, will be wasted using a one upfront system - this is not La Liga! Mancgulled
  • Score: 4

6:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA
Tug, we might have been the better side, but crap is better than, 'real,' crap. At times it was hard to watch.
Hi Vegas.
Today was never going to be an easy game ,to be honest with both of our recent performances ,they had lost 3 on the bounce and we have only managed 1-0s ,it was going to be an edgy affair . For me SMF20 has put a very accurate description of our current situation ,regards ,set-up Only one forward ,poor Leo has no where to go ,and we need some new acquisitions,now ,not when it`s too late to make a difference . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA[/p][/quote]Tug, we might have been the better side, but crap is better than, 'real,' crap. At times it was hard to watch.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas. Today was never going to be an easy game ,to be honest with both of our recent performances ,they had lost 3 on the bounce and we have only managed 1-0s ,it was going to be an edgy affair . For me SMF20 has put a very accurate description of our current situation ,regards ,set-up Only one forward ,poor Leo has no where to go ,and we need some new acquisitions,now ,not when it`s too late to make a difference . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.
Double thumbs down from me too.

It's a crying shame that football has become this way.. We pay his salary and no one made him sign his contract.
He wants a move... Fine, but let's see at least a little professionalism

Why should a club have to take a lower fee just because a player demands it.. It's bl00dy disgraceful.

If you want a move Liam.. Have a chat with your buddy up north and have him pay a fee of your worth.
If he won't then sort yourself out man before you lose the respect that you have gained from us... The fans
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.[/p][/quote]Double thumbs down from me too. It's a crying shame that football has become this way.. We pay his salary and no one made him sign his contract. He wants a move... Fine, but let's see at least a little professionalism Why should a club have to take a lower fee just because a player demands it.. It's bl00dy disgraceful. If you want a move Liam.. Have a chat with your buddy up north and have him pay a fee of your worth. If he won't then sort yourself out man before you lose the respect that you have gained from us... The fans SMF20
  • Score: 8

6:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.
I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.[/p][/quote]I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

I'm sorry, but if this is true and I was Bridcutts manager, I would let him rot in the development squad with an attitude like that. Am I right he has two years left on his contract? Let him sweat in the reserves until he either comes to his senses or Poyet persuades Sunderland to fork out at least 5 million. I might even have a word with prince charming seeing as he is in a good mood and feeling generous after todays win. He even bought a round in the players lounge after the game today. Most unusual.
I'm sorry, but if this is true and I was Bridcutts manager, I would let him rot in the development squad with an attitude like that. Am I right he has two years left on his contract? Let him sweat in the reserves until he either comes to his senses or Poyet persuades Sunderland to fork out at least 5 million. I might even have a word with prince charming seeing as he is in a good mood and feeling generous after todays win. He even bought a round in the players lounge after the game today. Most unusual. tonypulis
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.
I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.
Great stuff Vegas, the backlass starts here.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.[/p][/quote]I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.[/p][/quote]Great stuff Vegas, the backlass starts here. ringtone
  • Score: -1

6:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
Deserved a point from the game, both sides were equal - although we played some very good neat and tight passing, It could have gone our way with a little luck,
A massive amount of luck
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: Deserved a point from the game, both sides were equal - although we played some very good neat and tight passing, It could have gone our way with a little luck,[/p][/quote]A massive amount of luck ringtone
  • Score: -1

6:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA
Tug, we might have been the better side, but crap is better than, 'real,' crap. At times it was hard to watch.
Hi Vegas.
Today was never going to be an easy game ,to be honest with both of our recent performances ,they had lost 3 on the bounce and we have only managed 1-0s ,it was going to be an edgy affair . For me SMF20 has put a very accurate description of our current situation ,regards ,set-up Only one forward ,poor Leo has no where to go ,and we need some new acquisitions,now ,not when it`s too late to make a difference . UTA
Tug I agree, some new blood is needed, but I don't see that as an excuse for our performance today. Leo was isolated, can't deny that but why wasn't there anything from midfield to help him. Ince was ok, JFC, ok and Orlandi ok, David not ok, we need more from midfield than, ok, if Leo is to get amongst them in and around the box.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Personally i thought we were the better side from about 20mins to the goal ,Orlandi looked a little fragile ,Bruno i thought was superb ,but although Ince was solid ,i would like to see him ,move after he passes the ball ,he seemed to pass and watch today ! ,diisapointing goal ,i bet they are considering themselves very fortunate . UTA[/p][/quote]Tug, we might have been the better side, but crap is better than, 'real,' crap. At times it was hard to watch.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas. Today was never going to be an easy game ,to be honest with both of our recent performances ,they had lost 3 on the bounce and we have only managed 1-0s ,it was going to be an edgy affair . For me SMF20 has put a very accurate description of our current situation ,regards ,set-up Only one forward ,poor Leo has no where to go ,and we need some new acquisitions,now ,not when it`s too late to make a difference . UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I agree, some new blood is needed, but I don't see that as an excuse for our performance today. Leo was isolated, can't deny that but why wasn't there anything from midfield to help him. Ince was ok, JFC, ok and Orlandi ok, David not ok, we need more from midfield than, ok, if Leo is to get amongst them in and around the box. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

6:26pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.
For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager. tonypulis
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis.

All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.
I would suggest someone tell his lordship that he is under contract for another 17 + months ,and he can train alone ,and warm the bench for the DS squad until then.

Before all the thumbs down appear ,look at the alternative ,poyet instructs our player through their same agent ,and we are forced to sell for 2M instead of 4M ,i`m sure some will still find fault with that flawless point .
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis. All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.[/p][/quote]I would suggest someone tell his lordship that he is under contract for another 17 + months ,and he can train alone ,and warm the bench for the DS squad until then. Before all the thumbs down appear ,look at the alternative ,poyet instructs our player through their same agent ,and we are forced to sell for 2M instead of 4M ,i`m sure some will still find fault with that flawless point . tug509
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tonypulis wrote:
For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.
I, for once, agree with you Tony
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.[/p][/quote]I, for once, agree with you Tony VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.
I, for once, agree with you Tony
It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.[/p][/quote]I, for once, agree with you Tony[/p][/quote]It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x tonypulis
  • Score: 3

6:35pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

tonypulis wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.
I, for once, agree with you Tony
It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x
Brilliant !.
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.[/p][/quote]I, for once, agree with you Tony[/p][/quote]It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x[/p][/quote]Brilliant !. tug509
  • Score: 2

6:39pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.
I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.
Great stuff Vegas, the backlass starts here.
'backlass,' interesting.

If you can be serious just for one comment, and yeah I know I am asking a lot of you, don't you think what Bridcutt said, 'I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND TO PLAY,' is as much a slap in the face of the Brighton faithful as it was when he asked for a transfer, maybe even worse?

The fan, over the years, have helped to stump up the money to pay his wages, now he wants away and will only play when his mind is in the right place.

He has to go, but only for the right money.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.[/p][/quote]I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.[/p][/quote]Great stuff Vegas, the backlass starts here.[/p][/quote]'backlass,' interesting. If you can be serious just for one comment, and yeah I know I am asking a lot of you, don't you think what Bridcutt said, 'I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND TO PLAY,' is as much a slap in the face of the Brighton faithful as it was when he asked for a transfer, maybe even worse? The fan, over the years, have helped to stump up the money to pay his wages, now he wants away and will only play when his mind is in the right place. He has to go, but only for the right money. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all."

Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?
SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all." Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

6:44pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis.

All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.
I would suggest someone tell his lordship that he is under contract for another 17 + months ,and he can train alone ,and warm the bench for the DS squad until then.

Before all the thumbs down appear ,look at the alternative ,poyet instructs our player through their same agent ,and we are forced to sell for 2M instead of 4M ,i`m sure some will still find fault with that flawless point .
I'm not sure how we can be forced to sell him for £2m. If he's not ready to play for the first team he has to trains with the DS bunch. I can't see Bloom being bluffed by this.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis. All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.[/p][/quote]I would suggest someone tell his lordship that he is under contract for another 17 + months ,and he can train alone ,and warm the bench for the DS squad until then. Before all the thumbs down appear ,look at the alternative ,poyet instructs our player through their same agent ,and we are forced to sell for 2M instead of 4M ,i`m sure some will still find fault with that flawless point .[/p][/quote]I'm not sure how we can be forced to sell him for £2m. If he's not ready to play for the first team he has to trains with the DS bunch. I can't see Bloom being bluffed by this. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

6:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all."

Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?
I think you are right on that one Arnie
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all." Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?[/p][/quote]I think you are right on that one Arnie VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.
I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.
Great stuff Vegas, the backlass starts here.
'backlass,' interesting.

If you can be serious just for one comment, and yeah I know I am asking a lot of you, don't you think what Bridcutt said, 'I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND TO PLAY,' is as much a slap in the face of the Brighton faithful as it was when he asked for a transfer, maybe even worse?

The fan, over the years, have helped to stump up the money to pay his wages, now he wants away and will only play when his mind is in the right place.

He has to go, but only for the right money.
okay mis spelling sorry.

I will go with whatever you say.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Not in the right frame of mind? That's poor for me in a week when we have lost Crofts Barnes and El - Abd. Double figures in thumbs down for me then.[/p][/quote]I bet that he will be in the right frame of mind to train, keep himself fit for Sunderland. As I suggested earlier, let him train with the school boys. From hero to villain in just a few weeks, in my eyes at least.[/p][/quote]Great stuff Vegas, the backlass starts here.[/p][/quote]'backlass,' interesting. If you can be serious just for one comment, and yeah I know I am asking a lot of you, don't you think what Bridcutt said, 'I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND TO PLAY,' is as much a slap in the face of the Brighton faithful as it was when he asked for a transfer, maybe even worse? The fan, over the years, have helped to stump up the money to pay his wages, now he wants away and will only play when his mind is in the right place. He has to go, but only for the right money.[/p][/quote]okay mis spelling sorry. I will go with whatever you say. ringtone
  • Score: -4

6:48pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
The truth is Oscar, aka gus wannabe, came and parked the gus bus as per usual away from home.

God its boring to watch, a Derby fan outside told me we are the most negative team he has seen this season, i thanked him then went on my way
Did you remind him that they were the poorest home team we've seen all season? No shot on target until the 76th minute deflection.

Poor from both sides.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: The truth is Oscar, aka gus wannabe, came and parked the gus bus as per usual away from home. God its boring to watch, a Derby fan outside told me we are the most negative team he has seen this season, i thanked him then went on my way[/p][/quote]Did you remind him that they were the poorest home team we've seen all season? No shot on target until the 76th minute deflection. Poor from both sides. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

tonypulis wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.
I, for once, agree with you Tony
It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x
but the, 'soccerball,' match they played that day was of better quality than that of today
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.[/p][/quote]I, for once, agree with you Tony[/p][/quote]It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x[/p][/quote]but the, 'soccerball,' match they played that day was of better quality than that of today VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis.

All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.
I would suggest someone tell his lordship that he is under contract for another 17 + months ,and he can train alone ,and warm the bench for the DS squad until then.

Before all the thumbs down appear ,look at the alternative ,poyet instructs our player through their same agent ,and we are forced to sell for 2M instead of 4M ,i`m sure some will still find fault with that flawless point .
I'm not sure how we can be forced to sell him for £2m. If he's not ready to play for the first team he has to trains with the DS bunch. I can't see Bloom being bluffed by this.
I would`nt even let him train with the DS ,if he is that way inclined ,cut him off completely ,stop him from having any effect on the squad !. Just wheel him out every DS game ,and tell him to warm the bench for a true Professional who wants to play . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I was outn this afternoon so missed the game so I can't provide my usual post match analysis. All I will say is that I have been proved right about Bridcutt. A club CANNOT refuse a transfer request. All the player will do is refuse to play, make excuses and not give 100% which forces the club to sell him. I'm sure Gus gave Bridcutt clear instructions about what to say to OG to ensure he wasn't selected.[/p][/quote]I would suggest someone tell his lordship that he is under contract for another 17 + months ,and he can train alone ,and warm the bench for the DS squad until then. Before all the thumbs down appear ,look at the alternative ,poyet instructs our player through their same agent ,and we are forced to sell for 2M instead of 4M ,i`m sure some will still find fault with that flawless point .[/p][/quote]I'm not sure how we can be forced to sell him for £2m. If he's not ready to play for the first team he has to trains with the DS bunch. I can't see Bloom being bluffed by this.[/p][/quote]I would`nt even let him train with the DS ,if he is that way inclined ,cut him off completely ,stop him from having any effect on the squad !. Just wheel him out every DS game ,and tell him to warm the bench for a true Professional who wants to play . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

7:01pm Sat 18 Jan 14

pte says...

albion64 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time.

We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA
I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?
[quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time. We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA[/p][/quote]I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left? pte
  • Score: 0

7:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

tug509 says...

pte wrote:
albion64 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time.

We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA
I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?
Makes sense ,but i hope you`ll forgive me for hoping your wrong . UTA
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time. We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA[/p][/quote]I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?[/p][/quote]Makes sense ,but i hope you`ll forgive me for hoping your wrong . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

7:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
albion64 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time.

We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA
I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?
I don't think it works that way Pte. If there was a lad in Spain that would fit in nicely with our needs, chances are his agent would be on the phone, offering him up. We also have scouts looking for players, if Oscar were to suggest a lad, the scouts would look first and report back. A good report would send Burke out to Spain to negotiate, maybe look for himself and then negotiate.

Oscar said that there is a list of targets identified by the club you can bet that Oscar has seen that list, he might even have added a name or two to the list. There isn't any difference between Oscar suggesting a player or one of our scouts, Burke will check them all out, I think this is a joint venture between several people. Oscar might not have had much input in the early days of his arrival, but he has been over in the UK long enough now to form an opinion on some of the available players.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time. We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA[/p][/quote]I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?[/p][/quote]I don't think it works that way Pte. If there was a lad in Spain that would fit in nicely with our needs, chances are his agent would be on the phone, offering him up. We also have scouts looking for players, if Oscar were to suggest a lad, the scouts would look first and report back. A good report would send Burke out to Spain to negotiate, maybe look for himself and then negotiate. Oscar said that there is a list of targets identified by the club you can bet that Oscar has seen that list, he might even have added a name or two to the list. There isn't any difference between Oscar suggesting a player or one of our scouts, Burke will check them all out, I think this is a joint venture between several people. Oscar might not have had much input in the early days of his arrival, but he has been over in the UK long enough now to form an opinion on some of the available players. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Vince says...

Should have bought Adam le Fondre years ago. Reading took the chance, paid £2m and of course he has scored a lot of goals for them. THE DIFFERENCE - HE PLAYS OFF THE BIG MAN UP FRONT (Pomegranate or whatever his name is!!!).
Should have bought Adam le Fondre years ago. Reading took the chance, paid £2m and of course he has scored a lot of goals for them. THE DIFFERENCE - HE PLAYS OFF THE BIG MAN UP FRONT (Pomegranate or whatever his name is!!!). Vince
  • Score: 3

7:31pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Far gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.
Neville that is so wrong by Bridcutt, as you say, pretty darned close to refusing to play. I would now stop paying his wages until he is the, 'right,' frame of mind. I would also leave him out of first team training, stick him with the school boys because there is nothing to be gained by having the senior squad working with him.
Most of us assumed that if he were selected, he would be a true pro and play to his best, it appears that he is not a true pro at all. Stop his wages, stop his training, and stick a 4 million take it or leave price tag on his back. If that price deters others from buying him, oh well. Spending a few weeks with the school boys as the window winds down might straighten out his head, if the 4 million isn't paid.
With you totally Vegas,because what the ....... Is going on behind the scenes at our club,was concerned at the start of week about our recruitment policy ,to then see the week deteriorate with Barnes and then Adam leave ,the second of whom I felt we may have found a long term role at the club but who should never have been dropped based on his performances.
We then try to buy a mediocre player for more than we let Barnes go ,who had his limitations but was by no means worse than Grabban. So no great progress there.
But to cap that attempted buy ,we were used to help him get more money at his current club.
Bruno then tells club to buy in equivalent experience to replace those who have left . Always very telling on what those still at club think of letting those others go.
We then give a poor display against a team who were by all accounts poor ,nothing new this season there! Andrews normal service resumed!
Now Bridcutt head not in right place. That's our top player for last two seasons we are talking about !!
Who pays his b ..... Wages at present ?
Tomy needs to return from Australia soon and rattle a few cages ,before our season goes to ,last seasons 'away dressing room".
To add insult to injury Palace and Sunderland looking increasingly like staying up with Gus managing to get director of football 'out' ?
Hhhhhuuummm. Much to ponder folks.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, Bridcutt advbised he was not in right frame of mind and not focused,so gave OG little choice. Apparently Club saying he did not actually refuse to play but same difference in my view.[/p][/quote]Neville that is so wrong by Bridcutt, as you say, pretty darned close to refusing to play. I would now stop paying his wages until he is the, 'right,' frame of mind. I would also leave him out of first team training, stick him with the school boys because there is nothing to be gained by having the senior squad working with him. Most of us assumed that if he were selected, he would be a true pro and play to his best, it appears that he is not a true pro at all. Stop his wages, stop his training, and stick a 4 million take it or leave price tag on his back. If that price deters others from buying him, oh well. Spending a few weeks with the school boys as the window winds down might straighten out his head, if the 4 million isn't paid.[/p][/quote]With you totally Vegas,because what the ....... Is going on behind the scenes at our club,was concerned at the start of week about our recruitment policy ,to then see the week deteriorate with Barnes and then Adam leave ,the second of whom I felt we may have found a long term role at the club but who should never have been dropped based on his performances. We then try to buy a mediocre player for more than we let Barnes go ,who had his limitations but was by no means worse than Grabban. So no great progress there. But to cap that attempted buy ,we were used to help him get more money at his current club. Bruno then tells club to buy in equivalent experience to replace those who have left . Always very telling on what those still at club think of letting those others go. We then give a poor display against a team who were by all accounts poor ,nothing new this season there! Andrews normal service resumed! Now Bridcutt head not in right place. That's our top player for last two seasons we are talking about !! Who pays his b ..... Wages at present ? Tomy needs to return from Australia soon and rattle a few cages ,before our season goes to ,last seasons 'away dressing room". To add insult to injury Palace and Sunderland looking increasingly like staying up with Gus managing to get director of football 'out' ? Hhhhhuuummm. Much to ponder folks. Far gull
  • Score: 2

7:57pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Clean Sheet says...

I think we missed the Lacey winger today, who can tie up some of the defence and create space for Ulloa. We need KLL, Buckers or VMS, then LU can score the goals like last season. We are not far off the right team.
I think we missed the Lacey winger today, who can tie up some of the defence and create space for Ulloa. We need KLL, Buckers or VMS, then LU can score the goals like last season. We are not far off the right team. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Far Gull every cloud ha a silver lining, next week could never be as bad as this week, we can take some solace in that fact.

I am fully expecting some progress next week, progress in recruiting, the big boys are making their moves and that often signals the movement of fringe players from their squads.
Pretty confident that Poyet, now he has cleared the obstacle that was in front of him, will be in with a new offer for Bridcutt, and I think Bridcutt knows this too.
I don't think that we are relying on money for Bridders to enable us to buy, but having it will make things easier.
Mason could figure in our attempts of next week and certainly a replacement for Crofts has to be on the cards.
I don't think we need to replace Bridcutt or El-Abd, so if there is a chance of bringing Conway back, loan of purchase, that might happen.

My only concern is that if a decent offer comes in from a prem club for Tomasz, we might find that we have another unhappy player on our books, as I am sure we would say no. I still think that Tomasz has something to offer in the prem and the goal difference numbers of those fighting against relegation would seem to underline that.
Far Gull every cloud ha a silver lining, next week could never be as bad as this week, we can take some solace in that fact. I am fully expecting some progress next week, progress in recruiting, the big boys are making their moves and that often signals the movement of fringe players from their squads. Pretty confident that Poyet, now he has cleared the obstacle that was in front of him, will be in with a new offer for Bridcutt, and I think Bridcutt knows this too. I don't think that we are relying on money for Bridders to enable us to buy, but having it will make things easier. Mason could figure in our attempts of next week and certainly a replacement for Crofts has to be on the cards. I don't think we need to replace Bridcutt or El-Abd, so if there is a chance of bringing Conway back, loan of purchase, that might happen. My only concern is that if a decent offer comes in from a prem club for Tomasz, we might find that we have another unhappy player on our books, as I am sure we would say no. I still think that Tomasz has something to offer in the prem and the goal difference numbers of those fighting against relegation would seem to underline that. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:15pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Norwegian1 says...

Would like to see ince and bridcutt play togheter like in the leicester.

Despite defeat today, i think OG has done a brilliant job, losing so many key players to injury this season, and still be up there, around the playoff !

UTA
Would like to see ince and bridcutt play togheter like in the leicester. Despite defeat today, i think OG has done a brilliant job, losing so many key players to injury this season, and still be up there, around the playoff ! UTA Norwegian1
  • Score: 4

8:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

This kind of toothless performance has happened on too many occasions in the last 3 seasons eg the Dec 2012 run including being outclassed at home by Millwall and Watford. The strikers and wingers situation has never been fixed - Not enough numbers in the squad with experience, meaning you get some injuries or you sell a striker early in the transfer window, and the the team has no threat up front. Giving the opposing manager's team talk for them - "Listen, they're coming here today with no threat up front, half their squad is injured. Keep the isolated Ulloa quiet, and we cannot concede".

All very well many getting rather excited about banking £750,000, but a tedious Derby win the only stat that really matters to fans, 3 points.
This kind of toothless performance has happened on too many occasions in the last 3 seasons eg the Dec 2012 run including being outclassed at home by Millwall and Watford. The strikers and wingers situation has never been fixed - Not enough numbers in the squad with experience, meaning you get some injuries or you sell a striker early in the transfer window, and the the team has no threat up front. Giving the opposing manager's team talk for them - "Listen, they're coming here today with no threat up front, half their squad is injured. Keep the isolated Ulloa quiet, and we cannot concede". All very well many getting rather excited about banking £750,000, but a tedious Derby win the only stat that really matters to fans, 3 points. Withdean-er
  • Score: -1

9:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

albion64 says...

tug509 wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tonypulis wrote:
For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.
I, for once, agree with you Tony
It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x
Brilliant !.
You're easily pleased then
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: For once I find myself in agreement with you Vegas. You would make a good soccerball manager.[/p][/quote]I, for once, agree with you Tony[/p][/quote]It's a bit like the 1914 Christmas truce. Good whilst it lasted x[/p][/quote]Brilliant !.[/p][/quote]You're easily pleased then albion64
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Sat 18 Jan 14

barnieb says...

Really do need to win these 6 pointer games.Need to throw caution to the wind and intimidate teams with a more attacking formation.Either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. Becoming a bit Gus Poyet, lately.Play offs only hope now.
Really do need to win these 6 pointer games.Need to throw caution to the wind and intimidate teams with a more attacking formation.Either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. Becoming a bit Gus Poyet, lately.Play offs only hope now. barnieb
  • Score: 1

9:31pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Phillip Smith says...

If Poyet doesn’t cough up the £3 million plus that Bridcutt is worth then Bridcutt had better get into the right frame of mind and soon because he is going nowhere. Poyet is playing games. As soon as he signs Bridcutt he will be back in with a £5 million plus offer for Ulloa (just proving that he does have the money in the first place). Rumour has it that Ulloa has also been tapped up by Poyet, hence Ulloa’s poor body language in today’s game and last week against Birmingham. Ulloa is clearly not interested any more, which is a shame as our season is going is going to be wrecked by this transfer window. Just goes to show, we should have signed that extra striker last summer when we knew CMS and Hoskins were out for a large part of the season.
If Poyet doesn’t cough up the £3 million plus that Bridcutt is worth then Bridcutt had better get into the right frame of mind and soon because he is going nowhere. Poyet is playing games. As soon as he signs Bridcutt he will be back in with a £5 million plus offer for Ulloa (just proving that he does have the money in the first place). Rumour has it that Ulloa has also been tapped up by Poyet, hence Ulloa’s poor body language in today’s game and last week against Birmingham. Ulloa is clearly not interested any more, which is a shame as our season is going is going to be wrecked by this transfer window. Just goes to show, we should have signed that extra striker last summer when we knew CMS and Hoskins were out for a large part of the season. Phillip Smith
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all."

Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?
Taking nothing away from the rest of that post... You're probably right.

We've sold everyone else.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all." Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?[/p][/quote]Taking nothing away from the rest of that post... You're probably right. We've sold everyone else. SMF20
  • Score: 4

10:03pm Sat 18 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

Today is history! What do we do next week guys, Port Vale at theirs won't be easy, with 3 wins on the trot and then BHA in the FA Cup, they will be up for it! Will we be!
Do we play a strong side to get the win and some confidence back, or rest players and give others a run out! Burnley and Watford then follow before we're back at home, if we fail to get any points in these 2 games we're in the **** and will struggle for a play off spot imo.
The loan striker system isn't working, how many games do we have to witness this before we except the fact, it may work for the Big boys with £m's to spend on 1 player let alone a whole team but not at this level, you need blood and guts players, 2 up front playing off each other and scoring goals, draws and the odd 1-0 win will not get us promoted!
Our team consists of loanees, players at the end of their careers and some that want away, yes we have some good young talent to come through but they are a couple of years away as of now. If we don't push on this season and bring a couple of quality players in! I fear we will drop to a mid table club for a season or two while we wait for these youngsters to mature, a big summer of change whatever happens is around the corner what ever div we are in. Let's hope we continue our cup run and push on for a play off spot, anything less will leave us frustrated and disapointed. We CAN do it, we are BRIGHTON SUPER BRIGHTON. UTA
Today is history! What do we do next week guys, Port Vale at theirs won't be easy, with 3 wins on the trot and then BHA in the FA Cup, they will be up for it! Will we be! Do we play a strong side to get the win and some confidence back, or rest players and give others a run out! Burnley and Watford then follow before we're back at home, if we fail to get any points in these 2 games we're in the **** and will struggle for a play off spot imo. The loan striker system isn't working, how many games do we have to witness this before we except the fact, it may work for the Big boys with £m's to spend on 1 player let alone a whole team but not at this level, you need blood and guts players, 2 up front playing off each other and scoring goals, draws and the odd 1-0 win will not get us promoted! Our team consists of loanees, players at the end of their careers and some that want away, yes we have some good young talent to come through but they are a couple of years away as of now. If we don't push on this season and bring a couple of quality players in! I fear we will drop to a mid table club for a season or two while we wait for these youngsters to mature, a big summer of change whatever happens is around the corner what ever div we are in. Let's hope we continue our cup run and push on for a play off spot, anything less will leave us frustrated and disapointed. We CAN do it, we are BRIGHTON SUPER BRIGHTON. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 3

10:46pm Sat 18 Jan 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
albion64 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest.
Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side.
Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow.
Good evening
Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time.

We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA
I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?
I don't think it works that way Pte. If there was a lad in Spain that would fit in nicely with our needs, chances are his agent would be on the phone, offering him up. We also have scouts looking for players, if Oscar were to suggest a lad, the scouts would look first and report back. A good report would send Burke out to Spain to negotiate, maybe look for himself and then negotiate.

Oscar said that there is a list of targets identified by the club you can bet that Oscar has seen that list, he might even have added a name or two to the list. There isn't any difference between Oscar suggesting a player or one of our scouts, Burke will check them all out, I think this is a joint venture between several people. Oscar might not have had much input in the early days of his arrival, but he has been over in the UK long enough now to form an opinion on some of the available players.
Maybe you're right but I think what you're describing is what happens in an ideal world and what should happen but human beings are flawed. If Oscar's suggestions are taken seriously and acted on then Bloom might turn to his team and say: "look Oscars come up with 4 gems, how many have you come up with and what am I paying you for"? If all they have to do is go and check out Oscar's suggestions there's not much kudos for them in that

How else do you explain the lack of any use of Oscar's Spanish connections in contrast to Gus?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Cue an unconfined stream of negativity, accusations of mis-management, poor tactics and unsubstantiated suggestions of unrest. Forget the fact the winner was deflected and Derby are a decent side. Dear cynics, enjoy the wallow. Good evening[/p][/quote]Don.t be so sensitive fellow Albion fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this game has shown what I and a lot of others have said and known for some time. We murder teams 0-0 week in week out. We keep ball and boss games but don't have a cutting edge. I feel for Oscar, as he quite clearly is restricted by a tight budget. I said earlier today about him looking to Spain for attacking talent. Maybe that is the answer, rather than pay over the odds for average players here. I think the majority of fans are behind him and the club. UTA[/p][/quote]I think any signings from Spain would have to come on the initiative of Oscar and his contacts in Spain. But as manager that may not be in his remit to find players, his remit is to work with what he is given. Were he to suggest a player that would be stepping on the toes of the man tasked with finding players. Were that person willing to act on the suggestion of Oscar, Oscar would get the credit and the person who's function it is to find players would look pointless and redundant. That person would not know where to look in Spain. Oscar would but it's not his job. Otherwise why else haven't we signed a single Spanish player since El Gus left?[/p][/quote]I don't think it works that way Pte. If there was a lad in Spain that would fit in nicely with our needs, chances are his agent would be on the phone, offering him up. We also have scouts looking for players, if Oscar were to suggest a lad, the scouts would look first and report back. A good report would send Burke out to Spain to negotiate, maybe look for himself and then negotiate. Oscar said that there is a list of targets identified by the club you can bet that Oscar has seen that list, he might even have added a name or two to the list. There isn't any difference between Oscar suggesting a player or one of our scouts, Burke will check them all out, I think this is a joint venture between several people. Oscar might not have had much input in the early days of his arrival, but he has been over in the UK long enough now to form an opinion on some of the available players.[/p][/quote]Maybe you're right but I think what you're describing is what happens in an ideal world and what should happen but human beings are flawed. If Oscar's suggestions are taken seriously and acted on then Bloom might turn to his team and say: "look Oscars come up with 4 gems, how many have you come up with and what am I paying you for"? If all they have to do is go and check out Oscar's suggestions there's not much kudos for them in that How else do you explain the lack of any use of Oscar's Spanish connections in contrast to Gus? pte
  • Score: -1

11:58pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

SMF20 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all."

Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?
Taking nothing away from the rest of that post... You're probably right.

We've sold everyone else.
Barnes off, Barker off, LuaLua out, Buckley out, Crofts out, CMS out, Hoskins out, Grabban weird... you have to think OG is cursed!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: SMF20 "Today was extremely negative.... 3 defenders on bench says it all." Given the injuries and transfers I'm not sure who else would have filled the bench? Which other attacking players would you have had as subs?[/p][/quote]Taking nothing away from the rest of that post... You're probably right. We've sold everyone else.[/p][/quote]Barnes off, Barker off, LuaLua out, Buckley out, Crofts out, CMS out, Hoskins out, Grabban weird... you have to think OG is cursed! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

9:32am Sun 19 Jan 14

JollyRoger says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We can't make excuses for today's performance, not when the players on the park didn't do the basics right and today we didn't. Derby were crap, we were crap, neither side looked like a top six team, both looked like relegation battlers. If we had only played to just half our potential we would and won today.
Just looking at Derby's performance we dropped three points today, looking at our performance we didn't deserve three points, a draw would have been a fair reflection of the skills on show from both teams, both were very poor.

So very little flowing football from us, so very little supply of any quality to Ulloa, and he didn't look good even when he got the ball. Nothing to speak of from David or JFC, Ince did ok in his defensive duties but again, very little going forward. Upson's headed attempt was the highlight for me. We delivered virtually nothing in the final third of the park. Derby fans must be over the moon at picking up three points today because their team was just as bad as we were.

Bridcutt was fit to play but didn't travel, I hope that means that he is gone come Monday and Oscar is allowed to bring in some players because on today's showing, a bunch of ours need to be stood down.
I have to say that this summary could easily be a applied to many of our games this season.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We can't make excuses for today's performance, not when the players on the park didn't do the basics right and today we didn't. Derby were crap, we were crap, neither side looked like a top six team, both looked like relegation battlers. If we had only played to just half our potential we would and won today. Just looking at Derby's performance we dropped three points today, looking at our performance we didn't deserve three points, a draw would have been a fair reflection of the skills on show from both teams, both were very poor. So very little flowing football from us, so very little supply of any quality to Ulloa, and he didn't look good even when he got the ball. Nothing to speak of from David or JFC, Ince did ok in his defensive duties but again, very little going forward. Upson's headed attempt was the highlight for me. We delivered virtually nothing in the final third of the park. Derby fans must be over the moon at picking up three points today because their team was just as bad as we were. Bridcutt was fit to play but didn't travel, I hope that means that he is gone come Monday and Oscar is allowed to bring in some players because on today's showing, a bunch of ours need to be stood down.[/p][/quote]I have to say that this summary could easily be a applied to many of our games this season. JollyRoger
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Sun 19 Jan 14

just-a-person says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
ringtone wrote:
The truth is Oscar, aka gus wannabe, came and parked the gus bus as per usual away from home.

God its boring to watch, a Derby fan outside told me we are the most negative team he has seen this season, i thanked him then went on my way
Did you remind him that they were the poorest home team we've seen all season? No shot on target until the 76th minute deflection.

Poor from both sides.
Thanks for the 6 points the season is all I have to say.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: The truth is Oscar, aka gus wannabe, came and parked the gus bus as per usual away from home. God its boring to watch, a Derby fan outside told me we are the most negative team he has seen this season, i thanked him then went on my way[/p][/quote]Did you remind him that they were the poorest home team we've seen all season? No shot on target until the 76th minute deflection. Poor from both sides.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the 6 points the season is all I have to say. just-a-person
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

warwick shark says...

Anyway, who's Robert Bamford? Well done Patrick, top player for us-good luck at Derby.
Anyway, who's Robert Bamford? Well done Patrick, top player for us-good luck at Derby. warwick shark
  • Score: 0

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