Orlandi calls for end to Bridcutt doubt

Andrea Orlandi

Andrea Orlandi

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Andrea Orlandi has described Liam Bridcutt’s attitude as “spot on” as he attempts to sort out his future.

But the Spanish playmaker has called on Albion to sort out the situation involving their player of the season as soon as they can.

Bridcutt missed the 1-0 defeat at Derby because it was felt he would not be properly focused on the match.

Orlandi, who enjoyed a first start since August 3, says Bridcutt’s work during the week has been fine.

But he accepts the Scottish international probably wants to rejoin his old boss Gus Poyet at Sunderland.

 

Orlandi said: “I think Liam’s attitude has been spot on because he has been training and he hasn’t said anything to us.

“We know the situation. He probably wants to leave, he wants to play in the Premier League so fair enough.

“He wants to work with Gus again. He was successful with him.

“But it is a situation the club needs to sort out as soon as possible and then, if he eventually stays, he will give 110% as he always has.”


 

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7:14am Sun 19 Jan 14

saraman says...

Well now. I've read all of the threads post match and I have mixed feelings about the comments from the posters. The conclusion that I have come to is the undiniable fact that Poyet in his derisory bid for Bridcutt s exacting revenge on The Albion from a distance of a few hundred miles.

Now we have Orlandi expressing unwise opinions in support of Bridcutt.There seems to be some sort of viral unrest creeping through the club at the moment. I agree with all of the posters that say that Oscar should have total control over the comings and goings of players not the suits, (within the budget of course).

If a little known player such as Grabban choses to remain at Bournemouth rather than come to The Albion and our 28k plus gates and El Abd choses to go to Bristol City who are embroiled in a relegation fight there is something clearly amiss.
Get back from Oz pronto TB and get things sorted.
Well now. I've read all of the threads post match and I have mixed feelings about the comments from the posters. The conclusion that I have come to is the undiniable fact that Poyet in his derisory bid for Bridcutt s exacting revenge on The Albion from a distance of a few hundred miles. Now we have Orlandi expressing unwise opinions in support of Bridcutt.There seems to be some sort of viral unrest creeping through the club at the moment. I agree with all of the posters that say that Oscar should have total control over the comings and goings of players not the suits, (within the budget of course). If a little known player such as Grabban choses to remain at Bournemouth rather than come to The Albion and our 28k plus gates and El Abd choses to go to Bristol City who are embroiled in a relegation fight there is something clearly amiss. Get back from Oz pronto TB and get things sorted. saraman
  • Score: 30

7:44am Sun 19 Jan 14

BHA Dave says...

LB quite simply needs to understand the ball is in the court of that arrogant Uruguayan and his team at Sunderland. Liam Bridcutt was nothing before coming to Brighton. 'Brighton' have made him the player he is today and he needs to understand he can't go and fulfil his dream in the Premiership unless the club are offered a realistic value. It's not Brighton stopping him fulfilling his dream!
There does seems to be unrest amongst the club at the moment though and the lack of ambition in the market seems to be on the minds of the players following some comments made, i.e. Bruno.
I really do question how ambitious we really are given Bournemouth appear to have outbid us (wages) with Grabban, although I think we were paying over the odds for him! Seems Oscar has very little say over the ins and outs which is a real shame. The club needs to tread very carefully here as I can season ticket renewals dropping considerably unless we are willing to start bringing quality in. I understand the FFP implications but we use this as an excuse far too often.
LB quite simply needs to understand the ball is in the court of that arrogant Uruguayan and his team at Sunderland. Liam Bridcutt was nothing before coming to Brighton. 'Brighton' have made him the player he is today and he needs to understand he can't go and fulfil his dream in the Premiership unless the club are offered a realistic value. It's not Brighton stopping him fulfilling his dream! There does seems to be unrest amongst the club at the moment though and the lack of ambition in the market seems to be on the minds of the players following some comments made, i.e. Bruno. I really do question how ambitious we really are given Bournemouth appear to have outbid us (wages) with Grabban, although I think we were paying over the odds for him! Seems Oscar has very little say over the ins and outs which is a real shame. The club needs to tread very carefully here as I can season ticket renewals dropping considerably unless we are willing to start bringing quality in. I understand the FFP implications but we use this as an excuse far too often. BHA Dave
  • Score: 9

8:02am Sun 19 Jan 14

BHAFC_SHAUN says...

I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc. BHAFC_SHAUN
  • Score: 24

8:06am Sun 19 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Two good preceeding posts and another thread from a player expressing ,well not dissimilar opinions to most posters.
I think before long Tony has to make some big decisions ,keep Oscar as under the circumstances he has done a great job but and here's the big but if we want to really get to the premier league once training ground etc is complete ,we have to have the ambition to attract top players ,be they young or old as Gus was,. Fergie bought some duff players for huge money that did not workout ,that is the nature of the beast. Look At what Spurs have spent!
But look to at what one top signing can do for your club aka Ozil at Arsenal.
We are not in their 'league' but injured or not Vicente did this for the Albion and Gus knew it.
Before this season is lost big shake up required.
Two good preceeding posts and another thread from a player expressing ,well not dissimilar opinions to most posters. I think before long Tony has to make some big decisions ,keep Oscar as under the circumstances he has done a great job but and here's the big but if we want to really get to the premier league once training ground etc is complete ,we have to have the ambition to attract top players ,be they young or old as Gus was,. Fergie bought some duff players for huge money that did not workout ,that is the nature of the beast. Look At what Spurs have spent! But look to at what one top signing can do for your club aka Ozil at Arsenal. We are not in their 'league' but injured or not Vicente did this for the Albion and Gus knew it. Before this season is lost big shake up required. Far gull
  • Score: 5

8:25am Sun 19 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Let me say at the outset, i don't agree with all the gloom and doom that's been posted in the last 15 hours, in the same way that I don't agree with all the over-excitment that's expressed after we've won a game 1-0. Some of the criticism of the team and the club is, IMO unwarranted, but....
For me, the club should forget all tis cr*p about LB not being in the right frame of mind and immediately stop making excuses for him. It makes them look weak and GP must be giggling like a schoolboy.
They should be asking LB point blank if he's prepared to play against Port Vale and force HIS hand in terms of honouring - or otherwise - his contract. It's now at the point where they must realise he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy...
They should also come out and re-iterate that his transfer request was refused because, as a player he remains a valuable member of the squad and he hasn't left yet because no-one has matched our valuation.
He can then either play or be told to train with the reserves until the end of the window at which time, if he's still here, he'll be expected to honour his responsibilities.
We need to show some spine and at the moment but I regret to say we're currently looking weak and manipulated.
Let me say at the outset, i don't agree with all the gloom and doom that's been posted in the last 15 hours, in the same way that I don't agree with all the over-excitment that's expressed after we've won a game 1-0. Some of the criticism of the team and the club is, IMO unwarranted, but.... For me, the club should forget all tis cr*p about LB not being in the right frame of mind and immediately stop making excuses for him. It makes them look weak and GP must be giggling like a schoolboy. They should be asking LB point blank if he's prepared to play against Port Vale and force HIS hand in terms of honouring - or otherwise - his contract. It's now at the point where they must realise he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy... They should also come out and re-iterate that his transfer request was refused because, as a player he remains a valuable member of the squad and he hasn't left yet because no-one has matched our valuation. He can then either play or be told to train with the reserves until the end of the window at which time, if he's still here, he'll be expected to honour his responsibilities. We need to show some spine and at the moment but I regret to say we're currently looking weak and manipulated. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 26

8:26am Sun 19 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole
Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole seegull fly in sky
  • Score: -10

8:30am Sun 19 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

BHAFC_SHAUN wrote:
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his.
The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games.
As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.
[quote][p][bold]BHAFC_SHAUN[/bold] wrote: I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.[/p][/quote]GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his. The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games. As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 11

8:33am Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him!
It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP
And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off!
Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.
Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him! It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off! Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co. Conelli98
  • Score: 1

8:43am Sun 19 Jan 14

championshipgull says...

Two sides two 2 shots on target each, Derby get a defection off one of theirs.
We missed our usual attacking flair in LuaLua Conway or Buckley but also the attacking runs of crofts and the battling Barnes, and Bridcutt becomes the scapegoat.
I am confident we will get players fit, we will get some new ones in, and Orlandi will get backup to speed, and we will get back in the top six but hang onto your seats it could be an up and down ride.
Two sides two 2 shots on target each, Derby get a defection off one of theirs. We missed our usual attacking flair in LuaLua Conway or Buckley but also the attacking runs of crofts and the battling Barnes, and Bridcutt becomes the scapegoat. I am confident we will get players fit, we will get some new ones in, and Orlandi will get backup to speed, and we will get back in the top six but hang onto your seats it could be an up and down ride. championshipgull
  • Score: 17

8:45am Sun 19 Jan 14

saraman says...

BHA Dave wrote:
LB quite simply needs to understand the ball is in the court of that arrogant Uruguayan and his team at Sunderland. Liam Bridcutt was nothing before coming to Brighton. 'Brighton' have made him the player he is today and he needs to understand he can't go and fulfil his dream in the Premiership unless the club are offered a realistic value. It's not Brighton stopping him fulfilling his dream! There does seems to be unrest amongst the club at the moment though and the lack of ambition in the market seems to be on the minds of the players following some comments made, i.e. Bruno. I really do question how ambitious we really are given Bournemouth appear to have outbid us (wages) with Grabban, although I think we were paying over the odds for him! Seems Oscar has very little say over the ins and outs which is a real shame. The club needs to tread very carefully here as I can season ticket renewals dropping considerably unless we are willing to start bringing quality in. I understand the FFP implications but we use this as an excuse far too often.
Hi Dave. Good thoughts in your posting although I disagree over your reference to next seasons ST sales. I believe that next season the ST sales will be just as good if not better, BUT during the coming close season and next season if visible intent to get promoted is not shown by the management it will be the following season that ST sales will suffer.

If we reach the play-offs this season all well and good. If not, nothing but ambition for auto promotion next season will suffice.

I shall always renew my ST as I am sure will the majority of us Albion nutters on here.
[quote][p][bold]BHA Dave[/bold] wrote: LB quite simply needs to understand the ball is in the court of that arrogant Uruguayan and his team at Sunderland. Liam Bridcutt was nothing before coming to Brighton. 'Brighton' have made him the player he is today and he needs to understand he can't go and fulfil his dream in the Premiership unless the club are offered a realistic value. It's not Brighton stopping him fulfilling his dream! There does seems to be unrest amongst the club at the moment though and the lack of ambition in the market seems to be on the minds of the players following some comments made, i.e. Bruno. I really do question how ambitious we really are given Bournemouth appear to have outbid us (wages) with Grabban, although I think we were paying over the odds for him! Seems Oscar has very little say over the ins and outs which is a real shame. The club needs to tread very carefully here as I can season ticket renewals dropping considerably unless we are willing to start bringing quality in. I understand the FFP implications but we use this as an excuse far too often.[/p][/quote]Hi Dave. Good thoughts in your posting although I disagree over your reference to next seasons ST sales. I believe that next season the ST sales will be just as good if not better, BUT during the coming close season and next season if visible intent to get promoted is not shown by the management it will be the following season that ST sales will suffer. If we reach the play-offs this season all well and good. If not, nothing but ambition for auto promotion next season will suffice. I shall always renew my ST as I am sure will the majority of us Albion nutters on here. saraman
  • Score: 0

8:47am Sun 19 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him!
It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP
And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off!
Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.
You must be watching youth football on astro as all youth football cancelled as to wet round here :-)
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him! It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off! Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.[/p][/quote]You must be watching youth football on astro as all youth football cancelled as to wet round here :-) Far gull
  • Score: 4

8:52am Sun 19 Jan 14

MHubbs says...

Personally I remain very optimistic. I think the pessimism that exsists is due to the ups and downs of the game.
Currently we have lost Barnes & El Abd, plus Crofts, Lua Lua & Buckley through injury and Bridcutt through GP meddling. This left our bench looking a little light yesterday. This in addition to Hoskins and Macca lets not forget.
Obika has come in and thus far struggled in his two brief performances. Then we had the touted Bournemouth signing run back to mumma lol.

Well these things are all part of the fluctuating nature of football especially in the January period. On balance, we have a good manager, a passionate chairman and a competent board so there really is no reason to panic. They are building for the long term and not a quick one month fix to catapult us into the premiership before we are ready.

So let's enjoy what we have, a great stadium, good fan base and a team that produces attractive attacking football, with young talent like Rohan and Solly coming through. Yes this may be a tough month, but football is an unforgiving business and all in all I feel we have done well to be where we are in this current campaign.
Personally I remain very optimistic. I think the pessimism that exsists is due to the ups and downs of the game. Currently we have lost Barnes & El Abd, plus Crofts, Lua Lua & Buckley through injury and Bridcutt through GP meddling. This left our bench looking a little light yesterday. This in addition to Hoskins and Macca lets not forget. Obika has come in and thus far struggled in his two brief performances. Then we had the touted Bournemouth signing run back to mumma lol. Well these things are all part of the fluctuating nature of football especially in the January period. On balance, we have a good manager, a passionate chairman and a competent board so there really is no reason to panic. They are building for the long term and not a quick one month fix to catapult us into the premiership before we are ready. So let's enjoy what we have, a great stadium, good fan base and a team that produces attractive attacking football, with young talent like Rohan and Solly coming through. Yes this may be a tough month, but football is an unforgiving business and all in all I feel we have done well to be where we are in this current campaign. MHubbs
  • Score: 28

9:16am Sun 19 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

A post-match quote from OG on LB's non-appearance which illustrates beyond all doubt who is pulling the strings within the club. OG is doing nothing more than coaching what he is given.
"It's a problem between him and the club and they have to solve it as soon as possible."
'They'? 'THEY'? Where's the 'we' in all this?
A post-match quote from OG on LB's non-appearance which illustrates beyond all doubt who is pulling the strings within the club. OG is doing nothing more than coaching what he is given. "It's a problem between him and the club and they have to solve it as soon as possible." 'They'? 'THEY'? Where's the 'we' in all this? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 10

9:22am Sun 19 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

All clubs go through a tough patch although I have to say we are having our fair share--firstly Gus Saga and now Bridcutt. Personally I do not think players should publicly critisise their club and now we have Orlandi putting in his penny worth after Bruno. It does not put them or the club in a good light. As for Bridcutt--I agree it has to be sorted and quick. the unrest will spread through the players if we are not careful.Bridcutt is still paid by Albion --and no doubt good wages at that. No employee has the right to say ' I am feeling unsettled or off colour so i do not think I will come in to work today--oh yes and by the way I will let you know when i will be coming back to work or moving somewhere else. I held Bridcutt in high esteem but now he has gone down very much in my estimation and personally I do not think he will play again for Brighton---his wages should be stopped. No play no wages---but i guess it is not as simple as that. He needs to move on and so do we and the Club. There are too many players now off colour---Ulloa, Buckley, David, etc and others injured so we are down to the bare bones in some respect. We have to get the players spirits up and playing good attractive football and win games and score goals. BUT UTA
All clubs go through a tough patch although I have to say we are having our fair share--firstly Gus Saga and now Bridcutt. Personally I do not think players should publicly critisise their club and now we have Orlandi putting in his penny worth after Bruno. It does not put them or the club in a good light. As for Bridcutt--I agree it has to be sorted and quick. the unrest will spread through the players if we are not careful.Bridcutt is still paid by Albion --and no doubt good wages at that. No employee has the right to say ' I am feeling unsettled or off colour so i do not think I will come in to work today--oh yes and by the way I will let you know when i will be coming back to work or moving somewhere else. I held Bridcutt in high esteem but now he has gone down very much in my estimation and personally I do not think he will play again for Brighton---his wages should be stopped. No play no wages---but i guess it is not as simple as that. He needs to move on and so do we and the Club. There are too many players now off colour---Ulloa, Buckley, David, etc and others injured so we are down to the bare bones in some respect. We have to get the players spirits up and playing good attractive football and win games and score goals. BUT UTA mikeygit
  • Score: 2

9:32am Sun 19 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mikeygit wrote:
All clubs go through a tough patch although I have to say we are having our fair share--firstly Gus Saga and now Bridcutt. Personally I do not think players should publicly critisise their club and now we have Orlandi putting in his penny worth after Bruno. It does not put them or the club in a good light. As for Bridcutt--I agree it has to be sorted and quick. the unrest will spread through the players if we are not careful.Bridcutt is still paid by Albion --and no doubt good wages at that. No employee has the right to say ' I am feeling unsettled or off colour so i do not think I will come in to work today--oh yes and by the way I will let you know when i will be coming back to work or moving somewhere else. I held Bridcutt in high esteem but now he has gone down very much in my estimation and personally I do not think he will play again for Brighton---his wages should be stopped. No play no wages---but i guess it is not as simple as that. He needs to move on and so do we and the Club. There are too many players now off colour---Ulloa, Buckley, David, etc and others injured so we are down to the bare bones in some respect. We have to get the players spirits up and playing good attractive football and win games and score goals. BUT UTA
Agree on your point about players speaking out. Have already said the club is looking weak and that will permeate through to the players and the media will feed on it.
While a bare-faced dictat to players wouldn't go down well in the dressing room at this moment, they do need to be told to butt out. But if players begin to feel its all unravelling, they'll lose faith. To be clear, it may NOT be unravelling, but they need to see some semblance of leadership and strategy -as do the fans.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: All clubs go through a tough patch although I have to say we are having our fair share--firstly Gus Saga and now Bridcutt. Personally I do not think players should publicly critisise their club and now we have Orlandi putting in his penny worth after Bruno. It does not put them or the club in a good light. As for Bridcutt--I agree it has to be sorted and quick. the unrest will spread through the players if we are not careful.Bridcutt is still paid by Albion --and no doubt good wages at that. No employee has the right to say ' I am feeling unsettled or off colour so i do not think I will come in to work today--oh yes and by the way I will let you know when i will be coming back to work or moving somewhere else. I held Bridcutt in high esteem but now he has gone down very much in my estimation and personally I do not think he will play again for Brighton---his wages should be stopped. No play no wages---but i guess it is not as simple as that. He needs to move on and so do we and the Club. There are too many players now off colour---Ulloa, Buckley, David, etc and others injured so we are down to the bare bones in some respect. We have to get the players spirits up and playing good attractive football and win games and score goals. BUT UTA[/p][/quote]Agree on your point about players speaking out. Have already said the club is looking weak and that will permeate through to the players and the media will feed on it. While a bare-faced dictat to players wouldn't go down well in the dressing room at this moment, they do need to be told to butt out. But if players begin to feel its all unravelling, they'll lose faith. To be clear, it may NOT be unravelling, but they need to see some semblance of leadership and strategy -as do the fans. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

9:46am Sun 19 Jan 14

Camp Nigel says...

Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.
Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard. Camp Nigel
  • Score: 11

9:55am Sun 19 Jan 14

Tonyuk175 says...

This is football players come and go.

It's a short career so I understand LB reasons but he must value brightons that the right bid must be made.

Can't wait to see CMS back on the pitch, he looks very close in that video could be the best signing we need UTA
This is football players come and go. It's a short career so I understand LB reasons but he must value brightons that the right bid must be made. Can't wait to see CMS back on the pitch, he looks very close in that video could be the best signing we need UTA Tonyuk175
  • Score: 5

10:06am Sun 19 Jan 14

batray says...

Most of this is paper talk - a player is asked a loaded question and they reply honesty - they are not politicians. When you heard what Bruno actually said it was no big deal. Same with Claridge on TFLS -if lua lua, buckley, CMS fit plus a new striker in place - then we could attack more - his comments were over the top. But for a flukey goal and more clinical finishing from BHA it would have been called a very professional performance,
Most of this is paper talk - a player is asked a loaded question and they reply honesty - they are not politicians. When you heard what Bruno actually said it was no big deal. Same with Claridge on TFLS -if lua lua, buckley, CMS fit plus a new striker in place - then we could attack more - his comments were over the top. But for a flukey goal and more clinical finishing from BHA it would have been called a very professional performance, batray
  • Score: 5

10:25am Sun 19 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

seegull fly in sky wrote:
Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole
Yes, you could say that. Not entirely certain I agree though.
Or you could say it in English.
[quote][p][bold]seegull fly in sky[/bold] wrote: Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole[/p][/quote]Yes, you could say that. Not entirely certain I agree though. Or you could say it in English. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

10:27am Sun 19 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
BHAFC_SHAUN wrote:
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his.
The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games.
As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.
Well said.
Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHAFC_SHAUN[/bold] wrote: I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.[/p][/quote]GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his. The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games. As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.[/p][/quote]Well said. Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all. Claude Back
  • Score: -5

10:30am Sun 19 Jan 14

SeagullShoey30 says...

Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!!
Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!! SeagullShoey30
  • Score: 2

10:38am Sun 19 Jan 14

albion64 says...

BHA Dave wrote:
LB quite simply needs to understand the ball is in the court of that arrogant Uruguayan and his team at Sunderland. Liam Bridcutt was nothing before coming to Brighton. 'Brighton' have made him the player he is today and he needs to understand he can't go and fulfil his dream in the Premiership unless the club are offered a realistic value. It's not Brighton stopping him fulfilling his dream!
There does seems to be unrest amongst the club at the moment though and the lack of ambition in the market seems to be on the minds of the players following some comments made, i.e. Bruno.
I really do question how ambitious we really are given Bournemouth appear to have outbid us (wages) with Grabban, although I think we were paying over the odds for him! Seems Oscar has very little say over the ins and outs which is a real shame. The club needs to tread very carefully here as I can season ticket renewals dropping considerably unless we are willing to start bringing quality in. I understand the FFP implications but we use this as an excuse far too often.
I think Bridcutt needs to make up his mind. Does he want to play in the premiership or does he want to play with Pooyet again?

Sunderland are going down (probably and hopefully), so he would be a fool to go there. I wish we were told the truth from the start. We were told that Bridcutt was injured, then we were told his head wasn't right.

On another note, I notice the Argus haven't quoted Claridge this week on his comments during the Football league show last night.
Having been positive last week about Albion, he said that we were negative and were never going to win the game. He was probably right.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]BHA Dave[/bold] wrote: LB quite simply needs to understand the ball is in the court of that arrogant Uruguayan and his team at Sunderland. Liam Bridcutt was nothing before coming to Brighton. 'Brighton' have made him the player he is today and he needs to understand he can't go and fulfil his dream in the Premiership unless the club are offered a realistic value. It's not Brighton stopping him fulfilling his dream! There does seems to be unrest amongst the club at the moment though and the lack of ambition in the market seems to be on the minds of the players following some comments made, i.e. Bruno. I really do question how ambitious we really are given Bournemouth appear to have outbid us (wages) with Grabban, although I think we were paying over the odds for him! Seems Oscar has very little say over the ins and outs which is a real shame. The club needs to tread very carefully here as I can season ticket renewals dropping considerably unless we are willing to start bringing quality in. I understand the FFP implications but we use this as an excuse far too often.[/p][/quote]I think Bridcutt needs to make up his mind. Does he want to play in the premiership or does he want to play with Pooyet again? Sunderland are going down (probably and hopefully), so he would be a fool to go there. I wish we were told the truth from the start. We were told that Bridcutt was injured, then we were told his head wasn't right. On another note, I notice the Argus haven't quoted Claridge this week on his comments during the Football league show last night. Having been positive last week about Albion, he said that we were negative and were never going to win the game. He was probably right. UTA albion64
  • Score: 1

10:38am Sun 19 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

MHubbs wrote:
Personally I remain very optimistic. I think the pessimism that exsists is due to the ups and downs of the game.
Currently we have lost Barnes & El Abd, plus Crofts, Lua Lua & Buckley through injury and Bridcutt through GP meddling. This left our bench looking a little light yesterday. This in addition to Hoskins and Macca lets not forget.
Obika has come in and thus far struggled in his two brief performances. Then we had the touted Bournemouth signing run back to mumma lol.

Well these things are all part of the fluctuating nature of football especially in the January period. On balance, we have a good manager, a passionate chairman and a competent board so there really is no reason to panic. They are building for the long term and not a quick one month fix to catapult us into the premiership before we are ready.

So let's enjoy what we have, a great stadium, good fan base and a team that produces attractive attacking football, with young talent like Rohan and Solly coming through. Yes this may be a tough month, but football is an unforgiving business and all in all I feel we have done well to be where we are in this current campaign.
Ah, but do we produce 'attractive attacking football'?
I don't think we do but that's my opinion based on many, many years experience of watching not just the Albion but other teams too.
However, if you are a fan of a lone striker then you might.
There are many teams in this division that play much better attacking football than we do. You can be a staunch fan of a club but still realise that your club is not the epitome of great play and has faults. On this site, if anyone departs from saying the obvious and has the courage to depart from the 'Emperor's new clothes' attitude you are branded as negative.In that case the mentality of some must be questioned, surely?
[quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Personally I remain very optimistic. I think the pessimism that exsists is due to the ups and downs of the game. Currently we have lost Barnes & El Abd, plus Crofts, Lua Lua & Buckley through injury and Bridcutt through GP meddling. This left our bench looking a little light yesterday. This in addition to Hoskins and Macca lets not forget. Obika has come in and thus far struggled in his two brief performances. Then we had the touted Bournemouth signing run back to mumma lol. Well these things are all part of the fluctuating nature of football especially in the January period. On balance, we have a good manager, a passionate chairman and a competent board so there really is no reason to panic. They are building for the long term and not a quick one month fix to catapult us into the premiership before we are ready. So let's enjoy what we have, a great stadium, good fan base and a team that produces attractive attacking football, with young talent like Rohan and Solly coming through. Yes this may be a tough month, but football is an unforgiving business and all in all I feel we have done well to be where we are in this current campaign.[/p][/quote]Ah, but do we produce 'attractive attacking football'? I don't think we do but that's my opinion based on many, many years experience of watching not just the Albion but other teams too. However, if you are a fan of a lone striker then you might. There are many teams in this division that play much better attacking football than we do. You can be a staunch fan of a club but still realise that your club is not the epitome of great play and has faults. On this site, if anyone departs from saying the obvious and has the courage to depart from the 'Emperor's new clothes' attitude you are branded as negative.In that case the mentality of some must be questioned, surely? Claude Back
  • Score: 0

10:40am Sun 19 Jan 14

albion64 says...

seegull fly in sky wrote:
Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole
Do you work in Lidl's?
[quote][p][bold]seegull fly in sky[/bold] wrote: Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole[/p][/quote]Do you work in Lidl's? albion64
  • Score: 1

10:42am Sun 19 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

SeagullShoey30 wrote:
Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!!
Or possibly a job interview, wouldn't be surprised.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullShoey30[/bold] wrote: Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!![/p][/quote]Or possibly a job interview, wouldn't be surprised. Alfie T
  • Score: -1

10:44am Sun 19 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Camp Nigel wrote:
Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.
I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Camp Nigel[/bold] wrote: Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.[/p][/quote]I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 0

10:50am Sun 19 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
BHAFC_SHAUN wrote:
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his.
The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games.
As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.
What you say makes sense, then I remember it is the overgrown toddler Gus we are talking about and I would not be totally surprised if his whole intention is unsettle Bridcutt. Even Liam must be wondering by now if this is just a Gus mind game.
Until the window closes, we could lose anyone, which is a worry, but we won't know whether we have strengthened or weakened the side until it's over, and even then we won't really know until we have seen how any new faces shape up.
Clearly Bridcutt is not going to be focussed until his future is settled and we should not knock him for that, he has not "refused" to play, and I agree with Andrea, he will give it his all again if he is still here after the window.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHAFC_SHAUN[/bold] wrote: I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.[/p][/quote]GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his. The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games. As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.[/p][/quote]What you say makes sense, then I remember it is the overgrown toddler Gus we are talking about and I would not be totally surprised if his whole intention is unsettle Bridcutt. Even Liam must be wondering by now if this is just a Gus mind game. Until the window closes, we could lose anyone, which is a worry, but we won't know whether we have strengthened or weakened the side until it's over, and even then we won't really know until we have seen how any new faces shape up. Clearly Bridcutt is not going to be focussed until his future is settled and we should not knock him for that, he has not "refused" to play, and I agree with Andrea, he will give it his all again if he is still here after the window. Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

10:51am Sun 19 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
A post-match quote from OG on LB's non-appearance which illustrates beyond all doubt who is pulling the strings within the club. OG is doing nothing more than coaching what he is given.
"It's a problem between him and the club and they have to solve it as soon as possible."
'They'? 'THEY'? Where's the 'we' in all this?
I think you've hit the nail firmly on the thumb there.
Good point.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: A post-match quote from OG on LB's non-appearance which illustrates beyond all doubt who is pulling the strings within the club. OG is doing nothing more than coaching what he is given. "It's a problem between him and the club and they have to solve it as soon as possible." 'They'? 'THEY'? Where's the 'we' in all this?[/p][/quote]I think you've hit the nail firmly on the thumb there. Good point. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

10:56am Sun 19 Jan 14

fratsomrover says...

It's going to be a telling month. Four away games on the trot is hard enough and even more so when key players are out injured. Grabban deciding to stay at Bournemouth and LB not wanting to play are terrible negatives and we really do require the lift of a key signing or two.
Obika looks terribly nervous and playing the one up front is really not positive enough to ever put us in the driving seat.
I really do hope the season does not just fall away, but I have a feeling that if we cant pick up a couple of results before we next come back to The Amex, then the season just might be over for us.
Whoever it is who is arranging these transfer deals had better get their finger out and put a bit of substance behind all the rhetoric we keep hearing.
We lightened the squad, sold some fringe players, so get someone good in soon. Oh how I wish we had Henri Lansbury in our ranks.
It's going to be a telling month. Four away games on the trot is hard enough and even more so when key players are out injured. Grabban deciding to stay at Bournemouth and LB not wanting to play are terrible negatives and we really do require the lift of a key signing or two. Obika looks terribly nervous and playing the one up front is really not positive enough to ever put us in the driving seat. I really do hope the season does not just fall away, but I have a feeling that if we cant pick up a couple of results before we next come back to The Amex, then the season just might be over for us. Whoever it is who is arranging these transfer deals had better get their finger out and put a bit of substance behind all the rhetoric we keep hearing. We lightened the squad, sold some fringe players, so get someone good in soon. Oh how I wish we had Henri Lansbury in our ranks. fratsomrover
  • Score: 3

11:01am Sun 19 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Claude Back wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
BHAFC_SHAUN wrote:
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his.
The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games.
As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.
Well said.
Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.
Butt Clawed, you are of the opinion that Bridcutt is not very effective AND that Gus is a good judge of a player. If both those opinions are correct, Gus must sureley just be stirring things up for us?
You are going to have to let one of your beliefs go, they cannot all be true at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHAFC_SHAUN[/bold] wrote: I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.[/p][/quote]GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his. The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games. As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.[/p][/quote]Well said. Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.[/p][/quote]Butt Clawed, you are of the opinion that Bridcutt is not very effective AND that Gus is a good judge of a player. If both those opinions are correct, Gus must sureley just be stirring things up for us? You are going to have to let one of your beliefs go, they cannot all be true at the same time. Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

11:09am Sun 19 Jan 14

To baldly go says...

In the cold light of today and having digested yesterday's performance, our game plan yesterday was to get a point, we bought Derby down to a level to prevent them playing their game, much like teams do to us at the Amex, they grabbed a 1-0 win like we have done in similar situations.
On the team front, nothing wrong with the starting 11 and bench looked ok, a bit defensive yes but that was all that was available, had we got the draw or nicked a win we would be happy, we didn't so let's move on.
Obika has had a few minutes on the pitch now and doesn't look like cutting it imo, a bit early I know but have that feeling. I think all our eggs are in the Cms basket, when he returns he needs to hit the ground running (no pun intended) if not we will struggle to score goals.
Our 2 wide players suffer with hamstrings, lose 1 we can cope, but lose both and we have no width, Solly has potential yes, but needs time to grow into the senior team imo.
Bridcutt! What do we do with him? No other team has even looked at him other than Sunderland, why is this, is he a one dimensional player that only Poyet can see being any good, do we try and cash in now or hold out until window closes to get his mind back with us.
Lita has not been picked up by any other team yet so there must be something going on in the back ground that puts teams off, hence him getting no game time with us.
Who else is a realistic target for us and in what positions, a goal scorer is required, if Cms comes good and remains fit, sorted, if not we struggle, midfield dynamo also required, few and far between and expensive, defence will see us through this season barring a couple of injuries. Not sure myself who is available so can't come up with any names, I will leave that to those that do know.
Personally I would look for the midfielder we require and buy him, loan another striker in, if Cms fails to regain his speed etc at least we will have backup.
Next two weeks could make or break us, team wise and league wise!
In the cold light of today and having digested yesterday's performance, our game plan yesterday was to get a point, we bought Derby down to a level to prevent them playing their game, much like teams do to us at the Amex, they grabbed a 1-0 win like we have done in similar situations. On the team front, nothing wrong with the starting 11 and bench looked ok, a bit defensive yes but that was all that was available, had we got the draw or nicked a win we would be happy, we didn't so let's move on. Obika has had a few minutes on the pitch now and doesn't look like cutting it imo, a bit early I know but have that feeling. I think all our eggs are in the Cms basket, when he returns he needs to hit the ground running (no pun intended) if not we will struggle to score goals. Our 2 wide players suffer with hamstrings, lose 1 we can cope, but lose both and we have no width, Solly has potential yes, but needs time to grow into the senior team imo. Bridcutt! What do we do with him? No other team has even looked at him other than Sunderland, why is this, is he a one dimensional player that only Poyet can see being any good, do we try and cash in now or hold out until window closes to get his mind back with us. Lita has not been picked up by any other team yet so there must be something going on in the back ground that puts teams off, hence him getting no game time with us. Who else is a realistic target for us and in what positions, a goal scorer is required, if Cms comes good and remains fit, sorted, if not we struggle, midfield dynamo also required, few and far between and expensive, defence will see us through this season barring a couple of injuries. Not sure myself who is available so can't come up with any names, I will leave that to those that do know. Personally I would look for the midfielder we require and buy him, loan another striker in, if Cms fails to regain his speed etc at least we will have backup. Next two weeks could make or break us, team wise and league wise! To baldly go
  • Score: 5

11:17am Sun 19 Jan 14

Neville says...

Watched the match yesterday and just viewed football league show and have to say Claridge was right this time, Brighton no intention to win,10 men behind ball when Derby played 4 attackers in second half.
OG seems happy to continue with this style of play and is proud of his players, on this showing we will lose more than win.We just never ever look like scoring. The next 2 weeks now crucial,if no activity then we can expect top ten at best,regrettably.
Watched the match yesterday and just viewed football league show and have to say Claridge was right this time, Brighton no intention to win,10 men behind ball when Derby played 4 attackers in second half. OG seems happy to continue with this style of play and is proud of his players, on this showing we will lose more than win.We just never ever look like scoring. The next 2 weeks now crucial,if no activity then we can expect top ten at best,regrettably. Neville
  • Score: 1

11:22am Sun 19 Jan 14

Camp Nigel says...

Claude Back wrote:
Camp Nigel wrote:
Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.
I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)
I have no idea what you are talking about Claude dear. All I am saying is that when I was naughty, that's what my mother did to me. It certainly did me no harm and helped to make me the man I am today. I don't know much about football, it's all a bit too rough for me, but what I do know is that it is just not right that a nice young man like Liam has his head turned by an older gentleman and then throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Camp Nigel[/bold] wrote: Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.[/p][/quote]I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)[/p][/quote]I have no idea what you are talking about Claude dear. All I am saying is that when I was naughty, that's what my mother did to me. It certainly did me no harm and helped to make me the man I am today. I don't know much about football, it's all a bit too rough for me, but what I do know is that it is just not right that a nice young man like Liam has his head turned by an older gentleman and then throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way. Camp Nigel
  • Score: 5

11:28am Sun 19 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

You need a vote button for 'All of the above'. To have any chance of play-offs we need to sign one centre-back, one striker and at least one central midfielder, plus hopefully sign Conway too. LuaLua and Buckley will always get injuries so there's room to have Conway, March, Orlandi, Lopez, LuaLua and Buckley (if he stays) in the squad.
You need a vote button for 'All of the above'. To have any chance of play-offs we need to sign one centre-back, one striker and at least one central midfielder, plus hopefully sign Conway too. LuaLua and Buckley will always get injuries so there's room to have Conway, March, Orlandi, Lopez, LuaLua and Buckley (if he stays) in the squad. ColinPep1
  • Score: 2

11:30am Sun 19 Jan 14

ColinPep1 says...

I hope Bridcutt wasn't paid this week if he's not playing. He's under contract and it's only a few months until the next transfer window, in which it would be better for both him and Albion. He could join a team guaranteed at least one year in the Prem, which Sunderland are not, and we'd have him until the Summer and then have the Summer to replace him if he still goes.
I hope Bridcutt wasn't paid this week if he's not playing. He's under contract and it's only a few months until the next transfer window, in which it would be better for both him and Albion. He could join a team guaranteed at least one year in the Prem, which Sunderland are not, and we'd have him until the Summer and then have the Summer to replace him if he still goes. ColinPep1
  • Score: 2

11:52am Sun 19 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

Camp Nigel wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Camp Nigel wrote:
Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.
I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)
I have no idea what you are talking about Claude dear. All I am saying is that when I was naughty, that's what my mother did to me. It certainly did me no harm and helped to make me the man I am today. I don't know much about football, it's all a bit too rough for me, but what I do know is that it is just not right that a nice young man like Liam has his head turned by an older gentleman and then throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way.
Thoroughly agree with you Nigel. He needs a bit of discipline!
[quote][p][bold]Camp Nigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Camp Nigel[/bold] wrote: Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.[/p][/quote]I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)[/p][/quote]I have no idea what you are talking about Claude dear. All I am saying is that when I was naughty, that's what my mother did to me. It certainly did me no harm and helped to make me the man I am today. I don't know much about football, it's all a bit too rough for me, but what I do know is that it is just not right that a nice young man like Liam has his head turned by an older gentleman and then throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way.[/p][/quote]Thoroughly agree with you Nigel. He needs a bit of discipline! tonypulis
  • Score: 1

11:56am Sun 19 Jan 14

tonypulis says...

tonypulis wrote:
Camp Nigel wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Camp Nigel wrote:
Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.
I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)
I have no idea what you are talking about Claude dear. All I am saying is that when I was naughty, that's what my mother did to me. It certainly did me no harm and helped to make me the man I am today. I don't know much about football, it's all a bit too rough for me, but what I do know is that it is just not right that a nice young man like Liam has his head turned by an older gentleman and then throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way.
Thoroughly agree with you Nigel. He needs a bit of discipline!
What Claude actually meant Nigel was..............oh never mind.
[quote][p][bold]tonypulis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Camp Nigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Camp Nigel[/bold] wrote: Liam should be soundly spanked and locked in a cupboard.[/p][/quote]I get the feeling you would like to do the spanking. ;-)[/p][/quote]I have no idea what you are talking about Claude dear. All I am saying is that when I was naughty, that's what my mother did to me. It certainly did me no harm and helped to make me the man I am today. I don't know much about football, it's all a bit too rough for me, but what I do know is that it is just not right that a nice young man like Liam has his head turned by an older gentleman and then throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way.[/p][/quote]Thoroughly agree with you Nigel. He needs a bit of discipline![/p][/quote]What Claude actually meant Nigel was..............oh never mind. tonypulis
  • Score: 0

12:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Burke or barber would never sanction us getting bobby back... We are only in the market for mediocrity now.... Agustin, Obika, Andrews, there's three for you for starters.... We had something about us under Gus.... And excitement with guys like Vicente.... Now we are a nothing team.

Total tripe ! We are one place outside the play offs - better placed than last season. What's wrong with you people? The club has never been in better shape - on or off the pitch. All of those hankering after the 'Gus days' - look at the premier league table - Sunderland are still in the relegation zone, and in my view likely to stay there. The truth is this giant egotist is nowhere as good as he thinks he is.
B rian Tawses left foot says... Burke or barber would never sanction us getting bobby back... We are only in the market for mediocrity now.... Agustin, Obika, Andrews, there's three for you for starters.... We had something about us under Gus.... And excitement with guys like Vicente.... Now we are a nothing team. Total tripe ! We are one place outside the play offs - better placed than last season. What's wrong with you people? The club has never been in better shape - on or off the pitch. All of those hankering after the 'Gus days' - look at the premier league table - Sunderland are still in the relegation zone, and in my view likely to stay there. The truth is this giant egotist is nowhere as good as he thinks he is. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 7

12:18pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Seagulls over Thanet says...

Funny how players and managers find it acceptable to forget about loyalty and move on in the professional game whilst expecting a sympathetic response from supporters because they are not in the right frame of mind to do the job they are paid for.
Funny how players and managers find it acceptable to forget about loyalty and move on in the professional game whilst expecting a sympathetic response from supporters because they are not in the right frame of mind to do the job they are paid for. Seagulls over Thanet
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Sun 19 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot says...

Burke or barber would never sanction us getting bobby back... We are only in the market for mediocrity now.... Agustin, Obika, Andrews, there's three for you for starters.... We had something about us under Gus.... And excitement with guys like Vicente.... Now we are a nothing team.

Total tripe ! We are one place outside the play offs - better placed than last season. What's wrong with you people? The club has never been in better shape - on or off the pitch. All of those hankering after the 'Gus days' - look at the premier league table - Sunderland are still in the relegation zone, and in my view likely to stay there. The truth is this giant egotist is nowhere as good as he thinks he is.
Totally agree!!!! well said, but lets be positive, with all the crap we can make the play offs with a bit of luck plus CMS and co
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot says... Burke or barber would never sanction us getting bobby back... We are only in the market for mediocrity now.... Agustin, Obika, Andrews, there's three for you for starters.... We had something about us under Gus.... And excitement with guys like Vicente.... Now we are a nothing team. Total tripe ! We are one place outside the play offs - better placed than last season. What's wrong with you people? The club has never been in better shape - on or off the pitch. All of those hankering after the 'Gus days' - look at the premier league table - Sunderland are still in the relegation zone, and in my view likely to stay there. The truth is this giant egotist is nowhere as good as he thinks he is.[/p][/quote]Totally agree!!!! well said, but lets be positive, with all the crap we can make the play offs with a bit of luck plus CMS and co searich1983
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Sun 19 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

saraman wrote:
Well now. I've read all of the threads post match and I have mixed feelings about the comments from the posters. The conclusion that I have come to is the undiniable fact that Poyet in his derisory bid for Bridcutt s exacting revenge on The Albion from a distance of a few hundred miles.

Now we have Orlandi expressing unwise opinions in support of Bridcutt.There seems to be some sort of viral unrest creeping through the club at the moment. I agree with all of the posters that say that Oscar should have total control over the comings and goings of players not the suits, (within the budget of course).

If a little known player such as Grabban choses to remain at Bournemouth rather than come to The Albion and our 28k plus gates and El Abd choses to go to Bristol City who are embroiled in a relegation fight there is something clearly amiss.
Get back from Oz pronto TB and get things sorted.
We'll said Saraman. I've been banging on for months about this very principle and I am very concerned the direction this is going. This is not a personal attack on B & B but footballers want to talk with football people when considering a move. IMHO one of the reasons that United struggled to attract players in the close season is because they had Ed Woodward, Glazer's financial wizard, doing the talking to prospective players and there was no passion coming through. I think that's what's happening with our club and it concerns me.

Come back from Australia Tony!
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: Well now. I've read all of the threads post match and I have mixed feelings about the comments from the posters. The conclusion that I have come to is the undiniable fact that Poyet in his derisory bid for Bridcutt s exacting revenge on The Albion from a distance of a few hundred miles. Now we have Orlandi expressing unwise opinions in support of Bridcutt.There seems to be some sort of viral unrest creeping through the club at the moment. I agree with all of the posters that say that Oscar should have total control over the comings and goings of players not the suits, (within the budget of course). If a little known player such as Grabban choses to remain at Bournemouth rather than come to The Albion and our 28k plus gates and El Abd choses to go to Bristol City who are embroiled in a relegation fight there is something clearly amiss. Get back from Oz pronto TB and get things sorted.[/p][/quote]We'll said Saraman. I've been banging on for months about this very principle and I am very concerned the direction this is going. This is not a personal attack on B & B but footballers want to talk with football people when considering a move. IMHO one of the reasons that United struggled to attract players in the close season is because they had Ed Woodward, Glazer's financial wizard, doing the talking to prospective players and there was no passion coming through. I think that's what's happening with our club and it concerns me. Come back from Australia Tony! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Sun 19 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

1:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Sun 19 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

brightonup says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
There is a lot of good sense here.
Some posters felt so strongly about Bridcutt's comment that he was not in the right place to perform well as an offence punishable by being put indefinitely in the Development Team!
It is all a matter of trust.... Do we believe that players (fellow human beings) are somehow immune to the sort of disruptions and distractions that can affect most, if not all of the rest of us?
Presumably, if Garcia had said 'well, you are playing anyway, so get over it!' then Bridcutt would have played and done his best. But that might also have generated some bad feeling; so maybe Garcia is merely trying to ensure Bridcutt will be in the right 'place' to produce his usual fine standards in the next few matches. Maybe he is preparing his team for life after Bridcutt. Who knows?
Psychology, as we know from the most successful managers, is an important part of a winning formula.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of good sense here. Some posters felt so strongly about Bridcutt's comment that he was not in the right place to perform well as an offence punishable by being put indefinitely in the Development Team! It is all a matter of trust.... Do we believe that players (fellow human beings) are somehow immune to the sort of disruptions and distractions that can affect most, if not all of the rest of us? Presumably, if Garcia had said 'well, you are playing anyway, so get over it!' then Bridcutt would have played and done his best. But that might also have generated some bad feeling; so maybe Garcia is merely trying to ensure Bridcutt will be in the right 'place' to produce his usual fine standards in the next few matches. Maybe he is preparing his team for life after Bridcutt. Who knows? Psychology, as we know from the most successful managers, is an important part of a winning formula. brightonup
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath.

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it!

And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well![/p][/quote]Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it! And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?
Gus didn't leave anything, he was sacked. Did you know that?

Sorry, I don't see the relevance. The board were trying to curb some of Gus's powers and wanted Burke to have more of a say in recruitment as is his job - is that the nub of it? Gus was manager, OG isn't. Did you know that?

Gus is/was/will always be an egomaniac and will spit his dummy at the slightest provocation. Did you know that?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?[/p][/quote]Gus didn't leave anything, he was sacked. Did you know that? Sorry, I don't see the relevance. The board were trying to curb some of Gus's powers and wanted Burke to have more of a say in recruitment as is his job - is that the nub of it? Gus was manager, OG isn't. Did you know that? Gus is/was/will always be an egomaniac and will spit his dummy at the slightest provocation. Did you know that? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

1:49pm Sun 19 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

albion64 wrote:
seegull fly in sky wrote:
Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole
Do you work in Lidl's?
Um ubnale ga wurka a herty selff get e bennenfit bryten canouncel no eesya
[quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seegull fly in sky[/bold] wrote: Omalandi a nom yranfsere a plyers ik dcroreaggole[/p][/quote]Do you work in Lidl's?[/p][/quote]Um ubnale ga wurka a herty selff get e bennenfit bryten canouncel no eesya seegull fly in sky
  • Score: -2

1:51pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

brightonup wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
There is a lot of good sense here.
Some posters felt so strongly about Bridcutt's comment that he was not in the right place to perform well as an offence punishable by being put indefinitely in the Development Team!
It is all a matter of trust.... Do we believe that players (fellow human beings) are somehow immune to the sort of disruptions and distractions that can affect most, if not all of the rest of us?
Presumably, if Garcia had said 'well, you are playing anyway, so get over it!' then Bridcutt would have played and done his best. But that might also have generated some bad feeling; so maybe Garcia is merely trying to ensure Bridcutt will be in the right 'place' to produce his usual fine standards in the next few matches. Maybe he is preparing his team for life after Bridcutt. Who knows?
Psychology, as we know from the most successful managers, is an important part of a winning formula.
I was one of those yesterday who thought Bridcutt should be with the DS, but I now don't think that will benefit anyone. However, the sooner it is sorted one way or another the better - even though I don't subscribe to the theory that it is causing unrest amongst the other players. They go through this every season and deal with it, as do all professionals.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of good sense here. Some posters felt so strongly about Bridcutt's comment that he was not in the right place to perform well as an offence punishable by being put indefinitely in the Development Team! It is all a matter of trust.... Do we believe that players (fellow human beings) are somehow immune to the sort of disruptions and distractions that can affect most, if not all of the rest of us? Presumably, if Garcia had said 'well, you are playing anyway, so get over it!' then Bridcutt would have played and done his best. But that might also have generated some bad feeling; so maybe Garcia is merely trying to ensure Bridcutt will be in the right 'place' to produce his usual fine standards in the next few matches. Maybe he is preparing his team for life after Bridcutt. Who knows? Psychology, as we know from the most successful managers, is an important part of a winning formula.[/p][/quote]I was one of those yesterday who thought Bridcutt should be with the DS, but I now don't think that will benefit anyone. However, the sooner it is sorted one way or another the better - even though I don't subscribe to the theory that it is causing unrest amongst the other players. They go through this every season and deal with it, as do all professionals. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?
Gus didn't leave anything, he was sacked. Did you know that?

Sorry, I don't see the relevance. The board were trying to curb some of Gus's powers and wanted Burke to have more of a say in recruitment as is his job - is that the nub of it? Gus was manager, OG isn't. Did you know that?

Gus is/was/will always be an egomaniac and will spit his dummy at the slightest provocation. Did you know that?
Lets see where burlesque signings take us, I am not holding my breath!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?[/p][/quote]Gus didn't leave anything, he was sacked. Did you know that? Sorry, I don't see the relevance. The board were trying to curb some of Gus's powers and wanted Burke to have more of a say in recruitment as is his job - is that the nub of it? Gus was manager, OG isn't. Did you know that? Gus is/was/will always be an egomaniac and will spit his dummy at the slightest provocation. Did you know that?[/p][/quote]Lets see where burlesque signings take us, I am not holding my breath! mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

When anyone says that the club needs to get the Bridcutt issue sorted, I do wish that they would also say how they think it should be done.
There are only two ways to get the Bridcutt issue, 'sorted,' sell him for what we value him at or sell him below that valuation. Some might say that there is a third option, leave him out of the squad and wait until the window closes, but does that rob us of a transfer fee that we could use to strengthen the squad? All the time that Bridcutt's head is not right I would have him train away from the squad but I am not sure what the club can do, that they haven't done already as to get a final end result as quickly as possible. If Brighton said tomorrow, ok you can go Liam, transfer request accepted, Sunderland would still have to up their derisory 2 million offer, agreeing to let him go doesn't reduce his market value to us. Brighton are not stopping this deal from going thru, Sunderland are, and if any of you think otherwise, then I guess you would be happy to see the lad go for a paltry 2 million.

Bruno and Orlandi have said what they have said, and I am sure some of it has been taken out of context, but I find it odd that players are stating what we all know is obvious, we need more players, and their words are portrayed as some sort of revelation. Do you think that there is a single person that supports Brighton that doesn't already know what they have said. 'But the Spanish player has called on Albion to sort the situation involving their player of the season as soon as they can,' really, well there's a novel thought.

Barnes wanted more a longer term deal than the club were prepared to offer, ok so what are the club supposed to do about that, roll over and just give him what he wants. El-Abd wanted regular match time, something that Oscar chose not to give him, again should Oscar just leave our captain off the team sheet to please El-Abd. Oscar picks the team and if he feels that Greer is the best option then that's that. People complain that Oscar is not picking those that we sign, do they now want the players to fill in the team sheet. Had Greer not been injured El-Abd would not have started the games that he did and would probably still be with us.

New players will come, and they will be with us before this window closes, but anyone that thinks that we should just ignore the FFP rules, pay what ever it takes, is not thinking in the best interests of the club. Brighton, 'must,' abide by the rules, it matters not whether some other clubs appear not to be doing the same, as my mom said so many times to me when I was a child, 'if I put my hand in the fire it doesn't mean that you have to.' If the sale of season tickets is an issue, how many sales would we have if the club were the subject of a transfer embargo, which is one of the punishments for those that flout the rules. How about if we have to pay a 2 or 3 million fine, that wouldn't help us bring in new players, would it.

Grabban, over price at 1.1 million, I am sure that the suits knew that, but offer him less in wages and you claw some of the over pay back, Grabban is not a star, his arrival had to be on our terms or not at all, and very few who join us will be stars. Does that smack of the club having little ambition, no, it just means that Oscar and the suits thought he could replace Barnes and not break the bank in doing so. There are those that will be gone from our club come the summer, even if we don't get promoted, their replacements will point to just how ambitious our club is and if we do get promoted, well all bets are off for a lot of this current squad.
When anyone says that the club needs to get the Bridcutt issue sorted, I do wish that they would also say how they think it should be done. There are only two ways to get the Bridcutt issue, 'sorted,' sell him for what we value him at or sell him below that valuation. Some might say that there is a third option, leave him out of the squad and wait until the window closes, but does that rob us of a transfer fee that we could use to strengthen the squad? All the time that Bridcutt's head is not right I would have him train away from the squad but I am not sure what the club can do, that they haven't done already as to get a final end result as quickly as possible. If Brighton said tomorrow, ok you can go Liam, transfer request accepted, Sunderland would still have to up their derisory 2 million offer, agreeing to let him go doesn't reduce his market value to us. Brighton are not stopping this deal from going thru, Sunderland are, and if any of you think otherwise, then I guess you would be happy to see the lad go for a paltry 2 million. Bruno and Orlandi have said what they have said, and I am sure some of it has been taken out of context, but I find it odd that players are stating what we all know is obvious, we need more players, and their words are portrayed as some sort of revelation. Do you think that there is a single person that supports Brighton that doesn't already know what they have said. 'But the Spanish player has called on Albion to sort the situation involving their player of the season as soon as they can,' really, well there's a novel thought. Barnes wanted more a longer term deal than the club were prepared to offer, ok so what are the club supposed to do about that, roll over and just give him what he wants. El-Abd wanted regular match time, something that Oscar chose not to give him, again should Oscar just leave our captain off the team sheet to please El-Abd. Oscar picks the team and if he feels that Greer is the best option then that's that. People complain that Oscar is not picking those that we sign, do they now want the players to fill in the team sheet. Had Greer not been injured El-Abd would not have started the games that he did and would probably still be with us. New players will come, and they will be with us before this window closes, but anyone that thinks that we should just ignore the FFP rules, pay what ever it takes, is not thinking in the best interests of the club. Brighton, 'must,' abide by the rules, it matters not whether some other clubs appear not to be doing the same, as my mom said so many times to me when I was a child, 'if I put my hand in the fire it doesn't mean that you have to.' If the sale of season tickets is an issue, how many sales would we have if the club were the subject of a transfer embargo, which is one of the punishments for those that flout the rules. How about if we have to pay a 2 or 3 million fine, that wouldn't help us bring in new players, would it. Grabban, over price at 1.1 million, I am sure that the suits knew that, but offer him less in wages and you claw some of the over pay back, Grabban is not a star, his arrival had to be on our terms or not at all, and very few who join us will be stars. Does that smack of the club having little ambition, no, it just means that Oscar and the suits thought he could replace Barnes and not break the bank in doing so. There are those that will be gone from our club come the summer, even if we don't get promoted, their replacements will point to just how ambitious our club is and if we do get promoted, well all bets are off for a lot of this current squad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

2:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Far gull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him!
It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP
And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off!
Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.
You must be watching youth football on astro as all youth football cancelled as to wet round here :-)
played on a grass pitch at Falmer and won 3-0!
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him! It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off! Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.[/p][/quote]You must be watching youth football on astro as all youth football cancelled as to wet round here :-)[/p][/quote]played on a grass pitch at Falmer and won 3-0! Conelli98
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Sun 19 Jan 14

brightonup says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
brightonup wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
There is a lot of good sense here.
Some posters felt so strongly about Bridcutt's comment that he was not in the right place to perform well as an offence punishable by being put indefinitely in the Development Team!
It is all a matter of trust.... Do we believe that players (fellow human beings) are somehow immune to the sort of disruptions and distractions that can affect most, if not all of the rest of us?
Presumably, if Garcia had said 'well, you are playing anyway, so get over it!' then Bridcutt would have played and done his best. But that might also have generated some bad feeling; so maybe Garcia is merely trying to ensure Bridcutt will be in the right 'place' to produce his usual fine standards in the next few matches. Maybe he is preparing his team for life after Bridcutt. Who knows?
Psychology, as we know from the most successful managers, is an important part of a winning formula.
I was one of those yesterday who thought Bridcutt should be with the DS, but I now don't think that will benefit anyone. However, the sooner it is sorted one way or another the better - even though I don't subscribe to the theory that it is causing unrest amongst the other players. They go through this every season and deal with it, as do all professionals.
Agree that it needs sorting out.
I just think we need to have confidence (for the time being at least) that those who have daily, first hand experience of the playing staff, know the most effective way of dealing with them.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of good sense here. Some posters felt so strongly about Bridcutt's comment that he was not in the right place to perform well as an offence punishable by being put indefinitely in the Development Team! It is all a matter of trust.... Do we believe that players (fellow human beings) are somehow immune to the sort of disruptions and distractions that can affect most, if not all of the rest of us? Presumably, if Garcia had said 'well, you are playing anyway, so get over it!' then Bridcutt would have played and done his best. But that might also have generated some bad feeling; so maybe Garcia is merely trying to ensure Bridcutt will be in the right 'place' to produce his usual fine standards in the next few matches. Maybe he is preparing his team for life after Bridcutt. Who knows? Psychology, as we know from the most successful managers, is an important part of a winning formula.[/p][/quote]I was one of those yesterday who thought Bridcutt should be with the DS, but I now don't think that will benefit anyone. However, the sooner it is sorted one way or another the better - even though I don't subscribe to the theory that it is causing unrest amongst the other players. They go through this every season and deal with it, as do all professionals.[/p][/quote]Agree that it needs sorting out. I just think we need to have confidence (for the time being at least) that those who have daily, first hand experience of the playing staff, know the most effective way of dealing with them. brightonup
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up! Conelli98
  • Score: 5

2:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Lol sorry chang beer and sunshine!!!! Burke. Signings
Lol sorry chang beer and sunshine!!!! Burke. Signings mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

SeagullShoey30 wrote:
Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!!
We go shopping at Argos, and I heard he gone to Malaga!
[quote][p][bold]SeagullShoey30[/bold] wrote: Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!![/p][/quote]We go shopping at Argos, and I heard he gone to Malaga! Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 1

2:18pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Hugothepug says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Let me say at the outset, i don't agree with all the gloom and doom that's been posted in the last 15 hours, in the same way that I don't agree with all the over-excitment that's expressed after we've won a game 1-0. Some of the criticism of the team and the club is, IMO unwarranted, but....
For me, the club should forget all tis cr*p about LB not being in the right frame of mind and immediately stop making excuses for him. It makes them look weak and GP must be giggling like a schoolboy.
They should be asking LB point blank if he's prepared to play against Port Vale and force HIS hand in terms of honouring - or otherwise - his contract. It's now at the point where they must realise he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy...
They should also come out and re-iterate that his transfer request was refused because, as a player he remains a valuable member of the squad and he hasn't left yet because no-one has matched our valuation.
He can then either play or be told to train with the reserves until the end of the window at which time, if he's still here, he'll be expected to honour his responsibilities.
We need to show some spine and at the moment but I regret to say we're currently looking weak and manipulated.
Very good post
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Let me say at the outset, i don't agree with all the gloom and doom that's been posted in the last 15 hours, in the same way that I don't agree with all the over-excitment that's expressed after we've won a game 1-0. Some of the criticism of the team and the club is, IMO unwarranted, but.... For me, the club should forget all tis cr*p about LB not being in the right frame of mind and immediately stop making excuses for him. It makes them look weak and GP must be giggling like a schoolboy. They should be asking LB point blank if he's prepared to play against Port Vale and force HIS hand in terms of honouring - or otherwise - his contract. It's now at the point where they must realise he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy... They should also come out and re-iterate that his transfer request was refused because, as a player he remains a valuable member of the squad and he hasn't left yet because no-one has matched our valuation. He can then either play or be told to train with the reserves until the end of the window at which time, if he's still here, he'll be expected to honour his responsibilities. We need to show some spine and at the moment but I regret to say we're currently looking weak and manipulated.[/p][/quote]Very good post Hugothepug
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up!
Yes, (sigh) I know who is advising him!!! Sheesh...
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up![/p][/quote]Yes, (sigh) I know who is advising him!!! Sheesh... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

2:22pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?
Gus didn't leave anything, he was sacked. Did you know that?

Sorry, I don't see the relevance. The board were trying to curb some of Gus's powers and wanted Burke to have more of a say in recruitment as is his job - is that the nub of it? Gus was manager, OG isn't. Did you know that?

Gus is/was/will always be an egomaniac and will spit his dummy at the slightest provocation. Did you know that?
Lets see where burlesque signings take us, I am not holding my breath!
Please do...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]So Gus left because of Burke .. Did you know that?[/p][/quote]Gus didn't leave anything, he was sacked. Did you know that? Sorry, I don't see the relevance. The board were trying to curb some of Gus's powers and wanted Burke to have more of a say in recruitment as is his job - is that the nub of it? Gus was manager, OG isn't. Did you know that? Gus is/was/will always be an egomaniac and will spit his dummy at the slightest provocation. Did you know that?[/p][/quote]Lets see where burlesque signings take us, I am not holding my breath![/p][/quote]Please do... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

2:27pm Sun 19 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up!
and the one not letting Bridcutt go is the same one who sacked Gus!! please keep it up!!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up![/p][/quote]and the one not letting Bridcutt go is the same one who sacked Gus!! please keep it up!!! searich1983
  • Score: -4

2:27pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ok a quick solution to the Bridcutt saga, we can end this today.

The club to make a public statement, BRIDCUTT CAN GO RIGHT NOW IF WE ARE OFFERED BETWEEN 3 AND 4 MILLION. Over to you Mr. Poyet.

My price for him would be 4 million, Sunderland have offered 2, strike a deal at 3 million or better.
Ok a quick solution to the Bridcutt saga, we can end this today. The club to make a public statement, BRIDCUTT CAN GO RIGHT NOW IF WE ARE OFFERED BETWEEN 3 AND 4 MILLION. Over to you Mr. Poyet. My price for him would be 4 million, Sunderland have offered 2, strike a deal at 3 million or better. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Sun 19 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do.

I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however.

Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position.

MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend.

That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory.

Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.
the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up!
and the one not letting Bridcutt go to Sunderland is the same one who sacked Gus, please keep it up!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: My opinion of Bridcutt's actions re yesterday has softened somewhat in the last 24 hours and I have a certain sympathy with him. I have played games when I really wasn't "in the right place mentally" to play and I was bloody awful. Luckily my matches really didn't matter; Championship matches do. I still think Bridcutt is being poorly advised by someone however. Yesterday was disappointing though but considering the week the club has had it is not surprising. What is also not surprising is how the club get written off every time we fail to collect three points. It has happened many times over the past few months yet we still managed to climb into 6th position. MBTS (I think it was him) referring to Burke as being the de-facto manager is typical of the nonsense written. We in effect have a three man management team, none of which is a 'manager' - that job does not exist any more, either in title or reality. Burke gets the players, OG and NJ coach them. The way some of the comments go on here you'd think they never speak with each other. It is neither unique nor difficult to comprehend. That we are still within spitting distance of the play-offs is almost a miracle, given the pre-season upheaval and worst injury crisis in living memory. Derby were and still are the division's leading scorers and we made them look very, very ordinary indeed. (The 76th minute deflected goal was their first shot on target.) Unfortunately that made us look poor too, but given the lack of players available I'm not sure what else could have been done. Several players played well yesterday, several really did not. Sh!t happens.[/p][/quote]the man advising Bridcutt is the same man who is Poyets agent. Please keep up![/p][/quote]and the one not letting Bridcutt go to Sunderland is the same one who sacked Gus, please keep it up!! searich1983
  • Score: -3

2:33pm Sun 19 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ok a quick solution to the Bridcutt saga, we can end this today.

The club to make a public statement, BRIDCUTT CAN GO RIGHT NOW IF WE ARE OFFERED BETWEEN 3 AND 4 MILLION. Over to you Mr. Poyet.

My price for him would be 4 million, Sunderland have offered 2, strike a deal at 3 million or better.
Difficult for the club to make an statement , they don't comment on transfers, so better to ask Andy Taylor what he knows? come on Mr Taylor, what is going onnnnnnn!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ok a quick solution to the Bridcutt saga, we can end this today. The club to make a public statement, BRIDCUTT CAN GO RIGHT NOW IF WE ARE OFFERED BETWEEN 3 AND 4 MILLION. Over to you Mr. Poyet. My price for him would be 4 million, Sunderland have offered 2, strike a deal at 3 million or better.[/p][/quote]Difficult for the club to make an statement , they don't comment on transfers, so better to ask Andy Taylor what he knows? come on Mr Taylor, what is going onnnnnnn!!!!!!!! searich1983
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Sun 19 Jan 14

ringtone says...

Just an average player imo, remember what cantona said about deschamps. a water carrier.

Let me explain, somebody who does the donkey work well but has no real skill.

The fact that he has twice been voted our player means nowt, most of the voters know nowt.
Just an average player imo, remember what cantona said about deschamps. a water carrier. Let me explain, somebody who does the donkey work well but has no real skill. The fact that he has twice been voted our player means nowt, most of the voters know nowt. ringtone
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Sun 19 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath.

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it!

And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?
Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well![/p][/quote]Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it! And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?[/p][/quote]Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

3:11pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him!
It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP
And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off!
Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.
You must be watching youth football on astro as all youth football cancelled as to wet round here :-)
played on a grass pitch at Falmer and won 3-0!
Fab. My boys team not played a match since pre xmas. Getting withdrawal symptoms. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Thanks for what we all ready know Orlandi!...I suggest you should take a leaf out of Bridcutts way of playing then and tackle like you mean it, play with his grit and determination (you and a few others were pushed off the ball like infants against men yesterday) and we wont miss him! It does need to get sorted soon so if I was TB I would get on the blower to GP And tell him £4m or the lad stays with us...end off! Have a good Sunday all...off to see youth football with proper tackles Mr Orlandi and co.[/p][/quote]You must be watching youth football on astro as all youth football cancelled as to wet round here :-)[/p][/quote]played on a grass pitch at Falmer and won 3-0![/p][/quote]Fab. My boys team not played a match since pre xmas. Getting withdrawal symptoms. :-) Far gull
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

I haven't had so much fun reading all this since Gus went!
I haven't had so much fun reading all this since Gus went! Chi Gull
  • Score: 2

3:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath.

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it!

And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?
Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.
Oh dear, a "doctors are untrustworthy" conspiracy theory. Don't tell me, you don't believe climate change exists either, do you?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well![/p][/quote]Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it! And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?[/p][/quote]Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, a "doctors are untrustworthy" conspiracy theory. Don't tell me, you don't believe climate change exists either, do you? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -4

3:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath.

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it!

And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?
Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.
Forgot to say: they don't just "obtain a piece of paper", they have to train hard for years to get their medical qualification. It is a science.

And what "other possibilities"? The 'red flag' phrase "open their minds" usually means something totally hogwash regarding spiritual healing or acupuncture nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well![/p][/quote]Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it! And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?[/p][/quote]Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.[/p][/quote]Forgot to say: they don't just "obtain a piece of paper", they have to train hard for years to get their medical qualification. It is a science. And what "other possibilities"? The 'red flag' phrase "open their minds" usually means something totally hogwash regarding spiritual healing or acupuncture nonsense. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -3

4:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Claude Back says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
BHAFC_SHAUN wrote:
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his.
The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games.
As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.
Well said.
Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.
Butt Clawed, you are of the opinion that Bridcutt is not very effective AND that Gus is a good judge of a player. If both those opinions are correct, Gus must sureley just be stirring things up for us?
You are going to have to let one of your beliefs go, they cannot all be true at the same time.
I know how much you enjoy my posts, Baldie but please try and keep up.
I have never said Bridcutt was ineffective as a player. He is a good defensive mid-fielder but has no attacking flair. Although I once implied he was over-rated by a lot of supporters I am not alone in that. Ringtone agrees for one so I am in good company even if satire is ignored.
Therefore, my premise stands and you are mistaken...not for the first time either.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHAFC_SHAUN[/bold] wrote: I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.[/p][/quote]GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his. The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games. As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.[/p][/quote]Well said. Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.[/p][/quote]Butt Clawed, you are of the opinion that Bridcutt is not very effective AND that Gus is a good judge of a player. If both those opinions are correct, Gus must sureley just be stirring things up for us? You are going to have to let one of your beliefs go, they cannot all be true at the same time.[/p][/quote]I know how much you enjoy my posts, Baldie but please try and keep up. I have never said Bridcutt was ineffective as a player. He is a good defensive mid-fielder but has no attacking flair. Although I once implied he was over-rated by a lot of supporters I am not alone in that. Ringtone agrees for one so I am in good company even if satire is ignored. Therefore, my premise stands and you are mistaken...not for the first time either. Claude Back
  • Score: -1

4:40pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mrgull says...

I reiterate one of my previous comments.....£5 to £6M (ono) for Bridcutt and Buckley would leave Poyet minus an arm,
I reiterate one of my previous comments.....£5 to £6M (ono) for Bridcutt and Buckley would leave Poyet minus an arm, mrgull
  • Score: 2

4:55pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next. Conelli98
  • Score: 3

5:05pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Hovenick says...

Its shouting out loud, we have sold Barnes, Ulloa not firing on all 4s yet, CMS not ready, we need a striker and a classy one
Its shouting out loud, we have sold Barnes, Ulloa not firing on all 4s yet, CMS not ready, we need a striker and a classy one Hovenick
  • Score: 1

6:03pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
I will get back to u on that but ive read it somewhere!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]I will get back to u on that but ive read it somewhere! Conelli98
  • Score: 0

6:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
I will get back to u on that but ive read it somewhere!
Found it!, yesterdays argus story at 12.51pm!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]I will get back to u on that but ive read it somewhere![/p][/quote]Found it!, yesterdays argus story at 12.51pm! Conelli98
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
I will get back to u on that but ive read it somewhere!
Found it!, yesterdays argus story at 12.51pm!
Thanks, and yes they did print that number, now we need the Argus to tell us how they came to printing that figure. I just don't see how the lad can be worth anything like that sum.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]I will get back to u on that but ive read it somewhere![/p][/quote]Found it!, yesterdays argus story at 12.51pm![/p][/quote]Thanks, and yes they did print that number, now we need the Argus to tell us how they came to printing that figure. I just don't see how the lad can be worth anything like that sum. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason. Conelli98
  • Score: 3

6:31pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

7:03pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Claude Back wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
BHAFC_SHAUN wrote:
I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true.

As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical.

Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.
GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his.
The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games.
As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.
Well said.
Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.
Butt Clawed, you are of the opinion that Bridcutt is not very effective AND that Gus is a good judge of a player. If both those opinions are correct, Gus must sureley just be stirring things up for us?
You are going to have to let one of your beliefs go, they cannot all be true at the same time.
I know how much you enjoy my posts, Baldie but please try and keep up.
I have never said Bridcutt was ineffective as a player. He is a good defensive mid-fielder but has no attacking flair. Although I once implied he was over-rated by a lot of supporters I am not alone in that. Ringtone agrees for one so I am in good company even if satire is ignored.
Therefore, my premise stands and you are mistaken...not for the first time either.
You have several times, more than implied that Bridcutt would be no big loss to the side, to now say he is a good defensive midfielder but has no attacking flair is akin to praising Ulloa for his goal scoring then knocking him for his lack of defensive attributes.
You do seem to hold quite a few minority views though Clawed, Bridcutt is over-rated, we don't play attractive football, Gus is fully professional and not at all childish, puns are high brow humour and Ringtone is good company to be in.
You do seem to be being contrary for the sake of it lately, almost a troll, so maybe Ringtone is good company for you.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHAFC_SHAUN[/bold] wrote: I'm starting to wonder wether gus is just doing this as payback for the way we sacked him last season. Does he really want lb or is it just him unsettling our best performer to disrupt our season? Truly hope I'm misguided in this thought process, would be a complete let down if true. As for the whole grabban/el-abd deals, I don't think it's a case of money or lack of ambition with either of them. You have to feel wanted at a club and be playing regularly and I highly doubt grabban was promised he was going to be first choice here at the Albion. I think he was more likely to be a back up striker or play wide right/left, a good enough reason not to sign despite having a medical. Just be patient guys. There will only be a couple of additions at most this January with the bigger deals being done in the summer when we know out fate. I think being 13 points off the automatic places already means tb/pb/og are unlikely to make any big gambles to try and get us promoted - makes more sense to do the big business in the summer when you aren't paying inflated fees etc.[/p][/quote]GP's focus is now entirely on Sunderland and their fortunes, and while BHAFC is the centre of your (and our) football universe, it's no longer his. The interest in LB will be genuine, he hasn't got time to play games. As said above, OUR Club now need to show some mettle in the face of a FOOTBALL situation not a personal one.[/p][/quote]Well said. Talk of a vendetta by Gus is just stupid and by people who don't know him at all.[/p][/quote]Butt Clawed, you are of the opinion that Bridcutt is not very effective AND that Gus is a good judge of a player. If both those opinions are correct, Gus must sureley just be stirring things up for us? You are going to have to let one of your beliefs go, they cannot all be true at the same time.[/p][/quote]I know how much you enjoy my posts, Baldie but please try and keep up. I have never said Bridcutt was ineffective as a player. He is a good defensive mid-fielder but has no attacking flair. Although I once implied he was over-rated by a lot of supporters I am not alone in that. Ringtone agrees for one so I am in good company even if satire is ignored. Therefore, my premise stands and you are mistaken...not for the first time either.[/p][/quote]You have several times, more than implied that Bridcutt would be no big loss to the side, to now say he is a good defensive midfielder but has no attacking flair is akin to praising Ulloa for his goal scoring then knocking him for his lack of defensive attributes. You do seem to hold quite a few minority views though Clawed, Bridcutt is over-rated, we don't play attractive football, Gus is fully professional and not at all childish, puns are high brow humour and Ringtone is good company to be in. You do seem to be being contrary for the sake of it lately, almost a troll, so maybe Ringtone is good company for you. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

7:17pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
I dont get why we are not offering to take Becchio on a short term loan? Surely we could come to some sort off deal with Norwich. Get him in to play just behind Ulloa.
See how we fair with him for that period of time, by which time CMS should be fit to play. If both parties see what they like then happy days!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.[/p][/quote]I dont get why we are not offering to take Becchio on a short term loan? Surely we could come to some sort off deal with Norwich. Get him in to play just behind Ulloa. See how we fair with him for that period of time, by which time CMS should be fit to play. If both parties see what they like then happy days! Conelli98
  • Score: 4

7:18pm Sun 19 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
Well Vegas, we can always join the apparent chase for Leroy Lita!!!Apparently, the Swansea chairman has confirmed that there is a lot of interest in Lita. Leeds are said to be the favourites, ahead of Barnsley with talk of a value of £1.75 million.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.[/p][/quote]Well Vegas, we can always join the apparent chase for Leroy Lita!!!Apparently, the Swansea chairman has confirmed that there is a lot of interest in Lita. Leeds are said to be the favourites, ahead of Barnsley with talk of a value of £1.75 million. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull, I think Bridcutt is very good at what he does but all his best work is carried out in our half of the park. There is nothing wrong with having an out and out defensive midfield player just as long as you have another player in midfield that can be very creative, and right now we don't have that. The lack of creativity seems to high light the defensive nature of Bridcutt as a lot of the plays from the back go thru him but he doesn't create a lot, more often than not he lays it off for another to deal with which kind of works if you have Crofts on the park but without him, or someone like him, we look a bit flat.

Ince is decent but he has a lot of learning still to do, a bit of a rough diamond that Oscar needs to polish. David, 'can,' be creative but he is blowing hot and cold a lot this season. I honestly don't think that the squad has a natural replacement for Crofts, his loss to us is bigger than us losing Bridcutt, IMHO.

A lot of people are calling for us to sign more strikers but for me, finding a good replacement for Crofts should be our number one priority, an additional striker should be second.
Baldseagull, I think Bridcutt is very good at what he does but all his best work is carried out in our half of the park. There is nothing wrong with having an out and out defensive midfield player just as long as you have another player in midfield that can be very creative, and right now we don't have that. The lack of creativity seems to high light the defensive nature of Bridcutt as a lot of the plays from the back go thru him but he doesn't create a lot, more often than not he lays it off for another to deal with which kind of works if you have Crofts on the park but without him, or someone like him, we look a bit flat. Ince is decent but he has a lot of learning still to do, a bit of a rough diamond that Oscar needs to polish. David, 'can,' be creative but he is blowing hot and cold a lot this season. I honestly don't think that the squad has a natural replacement for Crofts, his loss to us is bigger than us losing Bridcutt, IMHO. A lot of people are calling for us to sign more strikers but for me, finding a good replacement for Crofts should be our number one priority, an additional striker should be second. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
I don't wish to be rude, but when was the last time you saw Mason play?
What type of player is he, what are his strengths? On what do you base your calculation of his price?
My point is that supporter valuation is too often based around status-based perception.
If I'm wrong in your case, i'll happily await your correction.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.[/p][/quote]I don't wish to be rude, but when was the last time you saw Mason play? What type of player is he, what are his strengths? On what do you base your calculation of his price? My point is that supporter valuation is too often based around status-based perception. If I'm wrong in your case, i'll happily await your correction. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
I don't wish to be rude, but when was the last time you saw Mason play?
What type of player is he, what are his strengths? On what do you base your calculation of his price?
My point is that supporter valuation is too often based around status-based perception.
If I'm wrong in your case, i'll happily await your correction.
Of course you are right, no question. A players stats are, for the most part, all us fans have to go by, that and who else is interested in him. His contribution to the Cardiff promotion squad is a matter of record. It is not that hard to compare him to other players that have been sold/bought, what price they attracted and how does their playing history compare.
For all intent and purposes Mason is still a Champ Div player, he might be owned by a prem club but that's about it. Comparing Grabban to Mason is not that difficult and IMHO, I think that their price tags should be about the same. Others might not agree, but that's cool, it's just an opinion.

I never got to see Zaha play that much football but I thought, and stated on here, that the price Man U paid for him was crazy, and it now seems it was.

Stats can only tell you so much, match reports tell a little more, and attending fan feedback along with the football press tell a little more. Once you have taken in all that is on offer, you form your own opinion, an opinion that is your own and one that some might agree with and others not.

What price would you put on Bridcutt, Poyet says 2 million, and he knows that lad inside out, do you agree with that price? You have, I presume, seen Bridcutt play loads of times, first hand knowledge of your own, if you think he is worth more then one of you is wrong, I have only seen a few hours of his game but I think he is worth more, you and I might agree even tho I have not seen him play enough. Do you think that Zaha was worth what United paid for him, like me you would have seen little of his game, but I bet you have an opinion on his sale.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.[/p][/quote]I don't wish to be rude, but when was the last time you saw Mason play? What type of player is he, what are his strengths? On what do you base your calculation of his price? My point is that supporter valuation is too often based around status-based perception. If I'm wrong in your case, i'll happily await your correction.[/p][/quote]Of course you are right, no question. A players stats are, for the most part, all us fans have to go by, that and who else is interested in him. His contribution to the Cardiff promotion squad is a matter of record. It is not that hard to compare him to other players that have been sold/bought, what price they attracted and how does their playing history compare. For all intent and purposes Mason is still a Champ Div player, he might be owned by a prem club but that's about it. Comparing Grabban to Mason is not that difficult and IMHO, I think that their price tags should be about the same. Others might not agree, but that's cool, it's just an opinion. I never got to see Zaha play that much football but I thought, and stated on here, that the price Man U paid for him was crazy, and it now seems it was. Stats can only tell you so much, match reports tell a little more, and attending fan feedback along with the football press tell a little more. Once you have taken in all that is on offer, you form your own opinion, an opinion that is your own and one that some might agree with and others not. What price would you put on Bridcutt, Poyet says 2 million, and he knows that lad inside out, do you agree with that price? You have, I presume, seen Bridcutt play loads of times, first hand knowledge of your own, if you think he is worth more then one of you is wrong, I have only seen a few hours of his game but I think he is worth more, you and I might agree even tho I have not seen him play enough. Do you think that Zaha was worth what United paid for him, like me you would have seen little of his game, but I bet you have an opinion on his sale. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

8:28pm Sun 19 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

£2.5 million for Bridcutt and do the deal. £2 million or upwards and get shot. Best for all concerned.
£2.5 million for Bridcutt and do the deal. £2 million or upwards and get shot. Best for all concerned. sussexram40
  • Score: -2

8:37pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

SeagullShoey30 wrote:
Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!!
maybe he's off to Real Betis, they've just sacked manager and predecessor is already to be announced in the morning!
ok maybe I'm mischief making!!!
[quote][p][bold]SeagullShoey30[/bold] wrote: Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!![/p][/quote]maybe he's off to Real Betis, they've just sacked manager and predecessor is already to be announced in the morning! ok maybe I'm mischief making!!! Conelli98
  • Score: -1

8:41pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

sussexram40 wrote:
£2.5 million for Bridcutt and do the deal. £2 million or upwards and get shot. Best for all concerned.
You're happy for the club to accept way less than they think he's worth? That's like MBTS wanting £750k for Buckley even after Sunderland offered £1m more than that for him.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: £2.5 million for Bridcutt and do the deal. £2 million or upwards and get shot. Best for all concerned.[/p][/quote]You're happy for the club to accept way less than they think he's worth? That's like MBTS wanting £750k for Buckley even after Sunderland offered £1m more than that for him. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Sun 19 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
Well Vegas, we can always join the apparent chase for Leroy Lita!!!Apparently, the Swansea chairman has confirmed that there is a lot of interest in Lita. Leeds are said to be the favourites, ahead of Barnsley with talk of a value of £1.75 million.
Well as I have said before, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.[/p][/quote]Well Vegas, we can always join the apparent chase for Leroy Lita!!!Apparently, the Swansea chairman has confirmed that there is a lot of interest in Lita. Leeds are said to be the favourites, ahead of Barnsley with talk of a value of £1.75 million.[/p][/quote]Well as I have said before, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

9:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Conelli98 wrote:
SeagullShoey30 wrote:
Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!!
maybe he's off to Real Betis, they've just sacked manager and predecessor is already to be announced in the morning!
ok maybe I'm mischief making!!!
They're going to announce his predecessor? I can tell you that right now, it was Pepe Mel, currently of the 'other' Albion :-)
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullShoey30[/bold] wrote: Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!![/p][/quote]maybe he's off to Real Betis, they've just sacked manager and predecessor is already to be announced in the morning! ok maybe I'm mischief making!!![/p][/quote]They're going to announce his predecessor? I can tell you that right now, it was Pepe Mel, currently of the 'other' Albion :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

9:13pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Conelli98 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
SeagullShoey30 wrote:
Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!!
maybe he's off to Real Betis, they've just sacked manager and predecessor is already to be announced in the morning!
ok maybe I'm mischief making!!!
They're going to announce his predecessor? I can tell you that right now, it was Pepe Mel, currently of the 'other' Albion :-)
Good spot! Successor.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullShoey30[/bold] wrote: Just got off the plane in Barcelona, and can confirm Oscar Garcia is on it. Scouting? Still more interesting than any recent Argos postings!![/p][/quote]maybe he's off to Real Betis, they've just sacked manager and predecessor is already to be announced in the morning! ok maybe I'm mischief making!!![/p][/quote]They're going to announce his predecessor? I can tell you that right now, it was Pepe Mel, currently of the 'other' Albion :-)[/p][/quote]Good spot! Successor. Conelli98
  • Score: 0

12:04am Mon 20 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath.

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it!

And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?
Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.
Forgot to say: they don't just "obtain a piece of paper", they have to train hard for years to get their medical qualification. It is a science.

And what "other possibilities"? The 'red flag' phrase "open their minds" usually means something totally hogwash regarding spiritual healing or acupuncture nonsense.
Waste of time discussing - you're clearly not interested in what's happening in this field. So Einstein was a dummy was he?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well![/p][/quote]Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it! And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?[/p][/quote]Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.[/p][/quote]Forgot to say: they don't just "obtain a piece of paper", they have to train hard for years to get their medical qualification. It is a science. And what "other possibilities"? The 'red flag' phrase "open their minds" usually means something totally hogwash regarding spiritual healing or acupuncture nonsense.[/p][/quote]Waste of time discussing - you're clearly not interested in what's happening in this field. So Einstein was a dummy was he? WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 0

12:43am Mon 20 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull, I think Bridcutt is very good at what he does but all his best work is carried out in our half of the park. There is nothing wrong with having an out and out defensive midfield player just as long as you have another player in midfield that can be very creative, and right now we don't have that. The lack of creativity seems to high light the defensive nature of Bridcutt as a lot of the plays from the back go thru him but he doesn't create a lot, more often than not he lays it off for another to deal with which kind of works if you have Crofts on the park but without him, or someone like him, we look a bit flat.

Ince is decent but he has a lot of learning still to do, a bit of a rough diamond that Oscar needs to polish. David, 'can,' be creative but he is blowing hot and cold a lot this season. I honestly don't think that the squad has a natural replacement for Crofts, his loss to us is bigger than us losing Bridcutt, IMHO.

A lot of people are calling for us to sign more strikers but for me, finding a good replacement for Crofts should be our number one priority, an additional striker should be second.
I think we don't really know how important Bridcutt is in Oscars side yet, he hasn't been given the same task as he had for Gus.
The job Gus gave him he excelled at, but I would like to see him partner with Ince regularly and see how that goes as it looked good in the one game I think I have seen them both in, they covered each other when one saw an opportunity to go forward and they looked to have a good understanding.
We just have not seen enough of Bridcutt under Oscar to say if he has the attacking part of his game up to scratch, Gus restricted him to sitting back mopping up and playing it out to the nearest man to him, I don't think that is all he can do though. It may be that we can live without him more easily with Oscars way, than we could with the way Gus wanted to play.
Agree that losing Crofts is going to hurt especially without Barnes, as you say, we don't have anyone to give us what he did, Kemy or JFC may surprise us but the window might bring us some good news yet.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Baldseagull, I think Bridcutt is very good at what he does but all his best work is carried out in our half of the park. There is nothing wrong with having an out and out defensive midfield player just as long as you have another player in midfield that can be very creative, and right now we don't have that. The lack of creativity seems to high light the defensive nature of Bridcutt as a lot of the plays from the back go thru him but he doesn't create a lot, more often than not he lays it off for another to deal with which kind of works if you have Crofts on the park but without him, or someone like him, we look a bit flat. Ince is decent but he has a lot of learning still to do, a bit of a rough diamond that Oscar needs to polish. David, 'can,' be creative but he is blowing hot and cold a lot this season. I honestly don't think that the squad has a natural replacement for Crofts, his loss to us is bigger than us losing Bridcutt, IMHO. A lot of people are calling for us to sign more strikers but for me, finding a good replacement for Crofts should be our number one priority, an additional striker should be second.[/p][/quote]I think we don't really know how important Bridcutt is in Oscars side yet, he hasn't been given the same task as he had for Gus. The job Gus gave him he excelled at, but I would like to see him partner with Ince regularly and see how that goes as it looked good in the one game I think I have seen them both in, they covered each other when one saw an opportunity to go forward and they looked to have a good understanding. We just have not seen enough of Bridcutt under Oscar to say if he has the attacking part of his game up to scratch, Gus restricted him to sitting back mopping up and playing it out to the nearest man to him, I don't think that is all he can do though. It may be that we can live without him more easily with Oscars way, than we could with the way Gus wanted to play. Agree that losing Crofts is going to hurt especially without Barnes, as you say, we don't have anyone to give us what he did, Kemy or JFC may surprise us but the window might bring us some good news yet. Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

1:18am Mon 20 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Why are we making Bridcutt's situation so complicated?

We tell Sunderland and Bridcutt himself the price we would accept. Bridcutt is a sensible lad, he will appreciate we need to get a good price for him. Until that price is offered he is contracted to us should play for us. I have very little doubt that Bridcutt would play his best for us. Orlandi's comments back that up. Then if he goes, everyone is happy. If not, we have been fair to him, he has to wait a bit longer for the Prem and plays for us through to the summer. Simples!
Why are we making Bridcutt's situation so complicated? We tell Sunderland and Bridcutt himself the price we would accept. Bridcutt is a sensible lad, he will appreciate we need to get a good price for him. Until that price is offered he is contracted to us should play for us. I have very little doubt that Bridcutt would play his best for us. Orlandi's comments back that up. Then if he goes, everyone is happy. If not, we have been fair to him, he has to wait a bit longer for the Prem and plays for us through to the summer. Simples! WestStander17
  • Score: 2

7:53am Mon 20 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.
Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.
Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.
seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.
I don't wish to be rude, but when was the last time you saw Mason play?
What type of player is he, what are his strengths? On what do you base your calculation of his price?
My point is that supporter valuation is too often based around status-based perception.
If I'm wrong in your case, i'll happily await your correction.
Of course you are right, no question. A players stats are, for the most part, all us fans have to go by, that and who else is interested in him. His contribution to the Cardiff promotion squad is a matter of record. It is not that hard to compare him to other players that have been sold/bought, what price they attracted and how does their playing history compare.
For all intent and purposes Mason is still a Champ Div player, he might be owned by a prem club but that's about it. Comparing Grabban to Mason is not that difficult and IMHO, I think that their price tags should be about the same. Others might not agree, but that's cool, it's just an opinion.

I never got to see Zaha play that much football but I thought, and stated on here, that the price Man U paid for him was crazy, and it now seems it was.

Stats can only tell you so much, match reports tell a little more, and attending fan feedback along with the football press tell a little more. Once you have taken in all that is on offer, you form your own opinion, an opinion that is your own and one that some might agree with and others not.

What price would you put on Bridcutt, Poyet says 2 million, and he knows that lad inside out, do you agree with that price? You have, I presume, seen Bridcutt play loads of times, first hand knowledge of your own, if you think he is worth more then one of you is wrong, I have only seen a few hours of his game but I think he is worth more, you and I might agree even tho I have not seen him play enough. Do you think that Zaha was worth what United paid for him, like me you would have seen little of his game, but I bet you have an opinion on his sale.
I think the whole point of this particular issue, is that pricing of a player is a completely arbitrary process whoever is involved. There's no science attached, it's all about two people's valuation and supply and demand, with a cursory acknowledgment of the current market thrown in.
For example, if LB were sold for 3 and is central to Sunderland's survival, Everton (gratuitous selection on my part) might see him as a 'proven' Premiership player and offer 10 in the summer. Same player, 6 months older, but the perception has changed.
In LB's case, I think we're right to hold out because his future potential is also a factor in his current value. It's not a wider, global consideration, but definitely a football one.
Regarding Mason, the obvious answer is 'who knows'? If Bournemouth think he's worth 2 to them, they'll happily pay it, Our guys may think he's only worth a million to us, in which case, he ain't coming!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth have made enquiry about Mason, now what message would that send our board if he to was to end up there! Personally I hope we dont sign him and how can he be £600k one min and £2m the next.[/p][/quote]Where did the 2 million valuation come from, was it speculation on this forum or has this price tag been made known by Cardiff, no way is the lad 2 million, and I can't imagine that Cardiff would ask for such a ridiculous figure.[/p][/quote]Bournemouthh rumoured to have offered £1.5m for Mason.[/p][/quote]seems crazy to me, I would have the lad at Grabban's release value, 1.1 million at best.[/p][/quote]I don't wish to be rude, but when was the last time you saw Mason play? What type of player is he, what are his strengths? On what do you base your calculation of his price? My point is that supporter valuation is too often based around status-based perception. If I'm wrong in your case, i'll happily await your correction.[/p][/quote]Of course you are right, no question. A players stats are, for the most part, all us fans have to go by, that and who else is interested in him. His contribution to the Cardiff promotion squad is a matter of record. It is not that hard to compare him to other players that have been sold/bought, what price they attracted and how does their playing history compare. For all intent and purposes Mason is still a Champ Div player, he might be owned by a prem club but that's about it. Comparing Grabban to Mason is not that difficult and IMHO, I think that their price tags should be about the same. Others might not agree, but that's cool, it's just an opinion. I never got to see Zaha play that much football but I thought, and stated on here, that the price Man U paid for him was crazy, and it now seems it was. Stats can only tell you so much, match reports tell a little more, and attending fan feedback along with the football press tell a little more. Once you have taken in all that is on offer, you form your own opinion, an opinion that is your own and one that some might agree with and others not. What price would you put on Bridcutt, Poyet says 2 million, and he knows that lad inside out, do you agree with that price? You have, I presume, seen Bridcutt play loads of times, first hand knowledge of your own, if you think he is worth more then one of you is wrong, I have only seen a few hours of his game but I think he is worth more, you and I might agree even tho I have not seen him play enough. Do you think that Zaha was worth what United paid for him, like me you would have seen little of his game, but I bet you have an opinion on his sale.[/p][/quote]I think the whole point of this particular issue, is that pricing of a player is a completely arbitrary process whoever is involved. There's no science attached, it's all about two people's valuation and supply and demand, with a cursory acknowledgment of the current market thrown in. For example, if LB were sold for 3 and is central to Sunderland's survival, Everton (gratuitous selection on my part) might see him as a 'proven' Premiership player and offer 10 in the summer. Same player, 6 months older, but the perception has changed. In LB's case, I think we're right to hold out because his future potential is also a factor in his current value. It's not a wider, global consideration, but definitely a football one. Regarding Mason, the obvious answer is 'who knows'? If Bournemouth think he's worth 2 to them, they'll happily pay it, Our guys may think he's only worth a million to us, in which case, he ain't coming! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

9:13am Mon 20 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best.

I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly!
Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?
One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well!
Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath.

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it!

And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?
Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.
Forgot to say: they don't just "obtain a piece of paper", they have to train hard for years to get their medical qualification. It is a science.

And what "other possibilities"? The 'red flag' phrase "open their minds" usually means something totally hogwash regarding spiritual healing or acupuncture nonsense.
Waste of time discussing - you're clearly not interested in what's happening in this field. So Einstein was a dummy was he?
"You're clearly not interested" he says to someone who is asking a question.

Einstein was a genius in his early years - what has that got to do with "opening your mind" in the field of medicine?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Another thing which has been concerning me is the ridiculously high number of injuries we have been getting. I was attacked for suggesting the timing of this change with the appointment of such a heavy duty Dr as Helge Riepenhoff. Yesterday he was not involved at Derby. Could it be that someone else has decided to look at the medical set up and their contribution? One thing I know is that Oscar grew up and worked in. What I consider one of THE best run clubs in the world so he will know about every element of a successful club so he will know how things work best. I hope Oscar gets Tony Bloom's ear quickly![/p][/quote]Okay... what IS a "heavy duty doctor"?[/p][/quote]One who is so highly 'qualified' and has held such high positions like head of the German Olympic team, that he has to justify his position by always having someone to treat! I admire the Chinese who only pay their doctors when their patients are well![/p][/quote]Right... I think you're ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but the fact you've mentioned it twice leads me to think you actually do mean it! And why have you put 'qualified' in inverted commas? Do you not trust the medical profession?[/p][/quote]Absolutely I don't trust them blindly just because they have obtained a piece of paper from an establishment which is funded mainly by the pharmaceutical companies who are one of the most profitable organisations in the world. They have no interest in opening their minds to other possibilities - althought, thankfully, there is a growing breed of Doctors who ARE beginning to question some of their training.[/p][/quote]Forgot to say: they don't just "obtain a piece of paper", they have to train hard for years to get their medical qualification. It is a science. And what "other possibilities"? The 'red flag' phrase "open their minds" usually means something totally hogwash regarding spiritual healing or acupuncture nonsense.[/p][/quote]Waste of time discussing - you're clearly not interested in what's happening in this field. So Einstein was a dummy was he?[/p][/quote]"You're clearly not interested" he says to someone who is asking a question. Einstein was a genius in his early years - what has that got to do with "opening your mind" in the field of medicine? Ex-pat Arnie
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11:38am Mon 20 Jan 14

fan since 61 says...

As an aside, I note that AFCB are looking at Joe Mason as well as Bolton, Sky report.
As an aside, I note that AFCB are looking at Joe Mason as well as Bolton, Sky report. fan since 61
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