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Transfer window watch: Albion in the hunt for Baird

The Argus: Chris Baird, left, is currently a free agent Chris Baird, left, is currently a free agent

Albion have targeted Chris Baird as a potential replacement for Adam El-Abd.

But they face competition for the Northern Ireland international from other Championship clubs.

Baird’s four-month contract with Reading expired on Monday.

He has been sidelined for seven weeks by an ankle injury and Reading are assessing his fitness before deciding whether they want to try to keep him.

Baird, 31, is free in the meantime to talk with other clubs.

That has alerted Albion, who need a replacement for long-serving third choice centre-half Adam El-Abd following his move to Bristol City last week.

Baird, formerly with Fulham and Southampton, can play anywhere across the back four.

Big-spending Nottingham Forest and Ipswich Town are also reportedly interested in him.

Meanwhile, Albion have been boosted by the return to fitness of Kazenga LuaLua ahead of Saturday’s FA Cup fourth round tie at Port Vale.

The left-winger returned to training at The Amex last night after missing Saturday’s 1-0 defeat at Derby County with a minor hamstring injury.

Right-winger Will Buckley (hamstring) is scheduled to resume training tomorrow.

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5:44am Wed 22 Jan 14

albionfan33 says...

i cant see us wanting another old paceless cb even on a short term contract
i cant see us wanting another old paceless cb even on a short term contract albionfan33
  • Score: 14

5:47am Wed 22 Jan 14

saraman says...

For heavens sake, the last thing we need is another injured player on our books. We must be able to do better than this, surely.

Great news on Kaz, just what we need for the Port Vale trip.
For heavens sake, the last thing we need is another injured player on our books. We must be able to do better than this, surely. Great news on Kaz, just what we need for the Port Vale trip. saraman
  • Score: 17

5:52am Wed 22 Jan 14

JFC1 says...

No !!
No !! JFC1
  • Score: 17

6:23am Wed 22 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me.

He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!!

No, makes no sense.

I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with.

What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?!
I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me. He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!! No, makes no sense. I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with. What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?! WestStander17
  • Score: 17

6:38am Wed 22 Jan 14

Far gull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me.

He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!!

No, makes no sense.

I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with.

What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?!
Can't disagree at all. Leave well alone please albion. If this argus info is comibg out of albion. What the heck is going on behind the scenes with our purchase policy,let alone looking after our already owned players !!!
Adam and Barnes departure did not have to happen,understandabl
e if we had a game plan for replacements ,we obviously didn't and not to impressed with response.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me. He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!! No, makes no sense. I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with. What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?![/p][/quote]Can't disagree at all. Leave well alone please albion. If this argus info is comibg out of albion. What the heck is going on behind the scenes with our purchase policy,let alone looking after our already owned players !!! Adam and Barnes departure did not have to happen,understandabl e if we had a game plan for replacements ,we obviously didn't and not to impressed with response. Far gull
  • Score: 9

6:38am Wed 22 Jan 14

Far gull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me.

He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!!

No, makes no sense.

I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with.

What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?!
Can't disagree at all. Leave well alone please albion. If this argus info is comibg out of albion. What the heck is going on behind the scenes with our purchase policy,let alone looking after our already owned players !!!
Adam and Barnes departure did not have to happen,understandabl
e if we had a game plan for replacements ,we obviously didn't and not to impressed with response.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me. He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!! No, makes no sense. I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with. What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?![/p][/quote]Can't disagree at all. Leave well alone please albion. If this argus info is comibg out of albion. What the heck is going on behind the scenes with our purchase policy,let alone looking after our already owned players !!! Adam and Barnes departure did not have to happen,understandabl e if we had a game plan for replacements ,we obviously didn't and not to impressed with response. Far gull
  • Score: 4

6:53am Wed 22 Jan 14

Vancouver Canuck says...

At this rate we'll be signing Owen Hargreaves too - as a replacement for Liam "I'm not in the right frame of mind" Bridcutt!

No thank you.
At this rate we'll be signing Owen Hargreaves too - as a replacement for Liam "I'm not in the right frame of mind" Bridcutt! No thank you. Vancouver Canuck
  • Score: 8

7:04am Wed 22 Jan 14

daughter-of-manag says...

In the spirit of Grabban, Standby for the Argus to feature Baird's 10 best tackles, or Baird's 5 favourite flavours of crisps.

Absolutely pointless potential "hunt," for a player that is crocked, too old, and has less heart and ability than AEA.
In the spirit of Grabban, Standby for the Argus to feature Baird's 10 best tackles, or Baird's 5 favourite flavours of crisps. Absolutely pointless potential "hunt," for a player that is crocked, too old, and has less heart and ability than AEA. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 15

7:05am Wed 22 Jan 14

Ringmer Rich says...

Short term contract after medical maybe, anything else, just no.
Short term contract after medical maybe, anything else, just no. Ringmer Rich
  • Score: -3

7:16am Wed 22 Jan 14

Grendel says...

Surely now is the time to look to the future. We have two aging centre backs. Why do we need another? If this is what we're looking at I'm worried.
Surely now is the time to look to the future. We have two aging centre backs. Why do we need another? If this is what we're looking at I'm worried. Grendel
  • Score: 8

7:33am Wed 22 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

This just about says it all concerning our player recruitment policy. What the hell are they thinking? Definitely starting to look like the many negative comments about the back-room boys are warranted, going by this anyway. A 'no' from me too.
This just about says it all concerning our player recruitment policy. What the hell are they thinking? Definitely starting to look like the many negative comments about the back-room boys are warranted, going by this anyway. A 'no' from me too. albionbloke
  • Score: 13

7:40am Wed 22 Jan 14

bbb1969 says...

If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief.
Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money.
If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.
If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief. Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money. If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time. bbb1969
  • Score: 7

7:40am Wed 22 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Far gull wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me.

He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!!

No, makes no sense.

I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with.

What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?!
Can't disagree at all. Leave well alone please albion. If this argus info is comibg out of albion. What the heck is going on behind the scenes with our purchase policy,let alone looking after our already owned players !!!
Adam and Barnes departure did not have to happen,understandabl

e if we had a game plan for replacements ,we obviously didn't and not to impressed with response.
Let's not castigate the club on this just yet. They don't appear to have offered any obvious encouragement to a story that looks like a re-hash of one line in a national newspaper yesterday.
I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but 'proceed with caution'!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me. He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!! No, makes no sense. I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with. What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?![/p][/quote]Can't disagree at all. Leave well alone please albion. If this argus info is comibg out of albion. What the heck is going on behind the scenes with our purchase policy,let alone looking after our already owned players !!! Adam and Barnes departure did not have to happen,understandabl e if we had a game plan for replacements ,we obviously didn't and not to impressed with response.[/p][/quote]Let's not castigate the club on this just yet. They don't appear to have offered any obvious encouragement to a story that looks like a re-hash of one line in a national newspaper yesterday. I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but 'proceed with caution'!!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

7:46am Wed 22 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Let's not castigate the club on this just yet. They don't appear to have offered any obvious encouragement to a story that looks like a re-hash of one line in a national newspaper yesterday.
I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but 'proceed with caution'!!!!
Let's not castigate the club on this just yet. They don't appear to have offered any obvious encouragement to a story that looks like a re-hash of one line in a national newspaper yesterday. I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but 'proceed with caution'!!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

7:52am Wed 22 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

There's still another ten days left yet, I am confident that a lot more excitement is to come on the transfer front.
There's still another ten days left yet, I am confident that a lot more excitement is to come on the transfer front. Gee Jay
  • Score: -2

7:53am Wed 22 Jan 14

Seafordmatt says...

Another mediocre championship player. Our team will be full of them soon.
Another mediocre championship player. Our team will be full of them soon. Seafordmatt
  • Score: 5

7:54am Wed 22 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

Been out for 7 weeks...... Reading assessing his fitness before they decide whether to keep him.....presumably if he's not fit, they'll let him go.......so why wouldn't we sign an ageing, unfit, defender.......perso
nally, I don't think there's anything in this, but I'd much rather read that we're in for a replacement for Barnes, Crofts or Bridcutt.
Been out for 7 weeks...... Reading assessing his fitness before they decide whether to keep him.....presumably if he's not fit, they'll let him go.......so why wouldn't we sign an ageing, unfit, defender.......perso nally, I don't think there's anything in this, but I'd much rather read that we're in for a replacement for Barnes, Crofts or Bridcutt. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 10

7:55am Wed 22 Jan 14

kipper12 says...

unless something amazing happens in this transfer window , the club are giving us fans a clear message that they are happy to stay in the championship for another year !! ... we need decent signings , and fast , not some old crocked cb !!! or any other old limping past it !!!
unless something amazing happens in this transfer window , the club are giving us fans a clear message that they are happy to stay in the championship for another year !! ... we need decent signings , and fast , not some old crocked cb !!! or any other old limping past it !!! kipper12
  • Score: 11

7:56am Wed 22 Jan 14

SMF20 says...

Why are we looking at yet another journeyman?

Anyone could sit in their ivory tower and say that this guy used to be good and that guy used to be good.... It appears to me that Mr Burke is just trying to sign players we have heard of.

What is the scouting network doing? I want to hear about young, exciting prospects coming to our club, and I don't just mean for the DS.

Who had heard of VVD before we were linked to him? Not I.

This is very lazy recruitment and does not inspire me in the least. Please can we let OG have a go now.
Why are we looking at yet another journeyman? Anyone could sit in their ivory tower and say that this guy used to be good and that guy used to be good.... It appears to me that Mr Burke is just trying to sign players we have heard of. What is the scouting network doing? I want to hear about young, exciting prospects coming to our club, and I don't just mean for the DS. Who had heard of VVD before we were linked to him? Not I. This is very lazy recruitment and does not inspire me in the least. Please can we let OG have a go now. SMF20
  • Score: 14

7:56am Wed 22 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Chas beard as goed plyer e lyke crorniesh pastiey a dindins ee. yum
Chas beard as goed plyer e lyke crorniesh pastiey a dindins ee. yum seegull fly in sky
  • Score: -3

8:02am Wed 22 Jan 14

when seagulls follow the trawler says...

People still don't seem to understand Albion's financial situation. Strategy has clearly shifted to a longer term with money being invested in young players. In the meantime we need stop gap deals like this one to fill gaps. people forget that we are losing money and TB also has to be repaid the considerable amount of money he has invested.
People still don't seem to understand Albion's financial situation. Strategy has clearly shifted to a longer term with money being invested in young players. In the meantime we need stop gap deals like this one to fill gaps. people forget that we are losing money and TB also has to be repaid the considerable amount of money he has invested. when seagulls follow the trawler
  • Score: 4

8:03am Wed 22 Jan 14

Shaftesbury Seagull says...

I'm so glad others have said they preferred El-Abd to Greer. So did I, but I was hesitated to say so. For the life of me I can't see what Greer is for! If he has wonderful leadership qualities they are well hidden and he's a very ordinary footballer. In allowing El-Abd to go the Albion have lost an asset most clubs would give their eye teeth for, that is the presence in the dressing room of a locally born enthusiast for the cause. In a world of badge kissing mercenaries who don't give a toss that alone would have justified his retention.
I'm so glad others have said they preferred El-Abd to Greer. So did I, but I was hesitated to say so. For the life of me I can't see what Greer is for! If he has wonderful leadership qualities they are well hidden and he's a very ordinary footballer. In allowing El-Abd to go the Albion have lost an asset most clubs would give their eye teeth for, that is the presence in the dressing room of a locally born enthusiast for the cause. In a world of badge kissing mercenaries who don't give a toss that alone would have justified his retention. Shaftesbury Seagull
  • Score: 12

8:05am Wed 22 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

bbb1969 wrote:
If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief.
Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money.
If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.
Good post. I said similar right back at the start when we loaned Andrews and Ward. Both have been fine but, if we aren't going all out for the Prem (which, by the way, I also think is ok if it means we have a better chance in a season or two), then lets blood OUR players. Dunk, Chicksen, Maksi, JFC, March etc before playing loaned in players that don't enhance our team a massive amount. As I said in August, loaning Wayne Bridge in a promotion push is one thing. Loaning Andrews, Ward, Lita and Obika in a consolidation season is quite another!
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief. Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money. If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.[/p][/quote]Good post. I said similar right back at the start when we loaned Andrews and Ward. Both have been fine but, if we aren't going all out for the Prem (which, by the way, I also think is ok if it means we have a better chance in a season or two), then lets blood OUR players. Dunk, Chicksen, Maksi, JFC, March etc before playing loaned in players that don't enhance our team a massive amount. As I said in August, loaning Wayne Bridge in a promotion push is one thing. Loaning Andrews, Ward, Lita and Obika in a consolidation season is quite another! WestStander17
  • Score: 8

8:20am Wed 22 Jan 14

SonnyJim55 says...

mid table mediocrity is all that this lot want at the moment, thats why GP wanted out
mid table mediocrity is all that this lot want at the moment, thats why GP wanted out SonnyJim55
  • Score: 8

8:23am Wed 22 Jan 14

albionfan33 says...

WestStander17 wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief.
Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money.
If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.
Good post. I said similar right back at the start when we loaned Andrews and Ward. Both have been fine but, if we aren't going all out for the Prem (which, by the way, I also think is ok if it means we have a better chance in a season or two), then lets blood OUR players. Dunk, Chicksen, Maksi, JFC, March etc before playing loaned in players that don't enhance our team a massive amount. As I said in August, loaning Wayne Bridge in a promotion push is one thing. Loaning Andrews, Ward, Lita and Obika in a consolidation season is quite another!
i doubt that we could of done any better than ward in our current position. But if we dont intend on retaining him next season when his contracts up i would like to see chicksen getting more game time
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief. Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money. If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.[/p][/quote]Good post. I said similar right back at the start when we loaned Andrews and Ward. Both have been fine but, if we aren't going all out for the Prem (which, by the way, I also think is ok if it means we have a better chance in a season or two), then lets blood OUR players. Dunk, Chicksen, Maksi, JFC, March etc before playing loaned in players that don't enhance our team a massive amount. As I said in August, loaning Wayne Bridge in a promotion push is one thing. Loaning Andrews, Ward, Lita and Obika in a consolidation season is quite another![/p][/quote]i doubt that we could of done any better than ward in our current position. But if we dont intend on retaining him next season when his contracts up i would like to see chicksen getting more game time albionfan33
  • Score: 0

8:23am Wed 22 Jan 14

russellsnr2 says...

Maybe just a smoke screen as does not seem to be a lot of positive news on bringing in a mid field and striker.
I can see this being another transfer window with the Albion doing nothing as far as brining in new blood, maybe wrong there but the rest of the clubs that where looking have done business.
Maybe just a smoke screen as does not seem to be a lot of positive news on bringing in a mid field and striker. I can see this being another transfer window with the Albion doing nothing as far as brining in new blood, maybe wrong there but the rest of the clubs that where looking have done business. russellsnr2
  • Score: 5

8:25am Wed 22 Jan 14

Alan G Skinner says...

Someone please get the Thomson directory for Barcelona. Oscar Garcia, he drinks Sangria, he came from Barca, to bring us joy!!! There must be players on the books of Barcelona, whether in the B team or youth team who could improve our squad, who due to our unique connections, might be available for loan?
Someone please get the Thomson directory for Barcelona. Oscar Garcia, he drinks Sangria, he came from Barca, to bring us joy!!! There must be players on the books of Barcelona, whether in the B team or youth team who could improve our squad, who due to our unique connections, might be available for loan? Alan G Skinner
  • Score: 8

8:30am Wed 22 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

albionfan33 wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief.
Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money.
If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.
Good post. I said similar right back at the start when we loaned Andrews and Ward. Both have been fine but, if we aren't going all out for the Prem (which, by the way, I also think is ok if it means we have a better chance in a season or two), then lets blood OUR players. Dunk, Chicksen, Maksi, JFC, March etc before playing loaned in players that don't enhance our team a massive amount. As I said in August, loaning Wayne Bridge in a promotion push is one thing. Loaning Andrews, Ward, Lita and Obika in a consolidation season is quite another!
i doubt that we could of done any better than ward in our current position. But if we dont intend on retaining him next season when his contracts up i would like to see chicksen getting more game time
Possibly not but how much better has Ward been compared to a mixture of Chicksen, Maksi and Calderon covering when need be? We'll never know for sure but not a huge difference I would suggest. If we need to be so careful with money, they are wages we could have saved without weakening the team greatly. Plus, it would have given Chicksen and Maksi vital experience for coming seasons.
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: If we are resigning ourselves to the championship next season then fine but when we are so close to the play-offs then please show some belief. Baird is another oldie and cannot be a replacement for ElAbd. It screams of a club financial decision of "he's free" so won't have to spend any money. If the club feel it is going to be championship this season and next then fine but at least trial our younsters rather than buying golden oldies especially when carrying an injury. Before anyone says which youngsters then look to the guys we have signed and start giving them odd games and lads like Dickenson need to be given a shot before selling. I know if they are not good enough in the ds then they have to go however we srem to only use when we have to such as Chicksen, March, JFC and Ince and they have all done well and deserve more playing time.[/p][/quote]Good post. I said similar right back at the start when we loaned Andrews and Ward. Both have been fine but, if we aren't going all out for the Prem (which, by the way, I also think is ok if it means we have a better chance in a season or two), then lets blood OUR players. Dunk, Chicksen, Maksi, JFC, March etc before playing loaned in players that don't enhance our team a massive amount. As I said in August, loaning Wayne Bridge in a promotion push is one thing. Loaning Andrews, Ward, Lita and Obika in a consolidation season is quite another![/p][/quote]i doubt that we could of done any better than ward in our current position. But if we dont intend on retaining him next season when his contracts up i would like to see chicksen getting more game time[/p][/quote]Possibly not but how much better has Ward been compared to a mixture of Chicksen, Maksi and Calderon covering when need be? We'll never know for sure but not a huge difference I would suggest. If we need to be so careful with money, they are wages we could have saved without weakening the team greatly. Plus, it would have given Chicksen and Maksi vital experience for coming seasons. WestStander17
  • Score: 1

8:41am Wed 22 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 8

8:45am Wed 22 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Shaftesbury Seagull wrote:
I'm so glad others have said they preferred El-Abd to Greer. So did I, but I was hesitated to say so. For the life of me I can't see what Greer is for! If he has wonderful leadership qualities they are well hidden and he's a very ordinary footballer. In allowing El-Abd to go the Albion have lost an asset most clubs would give their eye teeth for, that is the presence in the dressing room of a locally born enthusiast for the cause. In a world of badge kissing mercenaries who don't give a toss that alone would have justified his retention.
You would pick elabd to play against a 6,6 striker which Birmingham had ? The fact elabd joined a struggling div one side says more than you clearly know.
[quote][p][bold]Shaftesbury Seagull[/bold] wrote: I'm so glad others have said they preferred El-Abd to Greer. So did I, but I was hesitated to say so. For the life of me I can't see what Greer is for! If he has wonderful leadership qualities they are well hidden and he's a very ordinary footballer. In allowing El-Abd to go the Albion have lost an asset most clubs would give their eye teeth for, that is the presence in the dressing room of a locally born enthusiast for the cause. In a world of badge kissing mercenaries who don't give a toss that alone would have justified his retention.[/p][/quote]You would pick elabd to play against a 6,6 striker which Birmingham had ? The fact elabd joined a struggling div one side says more than you clearly know. mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

8:49am Wed 22 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him[/p][/quote]Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

8:52am Wed 22 Jan 14

Alfie T says...

What's happening with Conway,are Cardiff having another look at him? Come on Argus,report on someone we want to see back at the club!
What's happening with Conway,are Cardiff having another look at him? Come on Argus,report on someone we want to see back at the club! Alfie T
  • Score: 8

9:08am Wed 22 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 10

9:10am Wed 22 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Someone please get the Thomson directory for Barcelona. Oscar Garcia, he drinks Sangria, he came from Barca, to bring us joy!!! There must be players on the books of Barcelona, whether in the B team or youth team who could improve our squad, who due to our unique connections, might be available for loan?
I agree. I was expecting more signings from Oscar's previous connections. Either from Spain or Maccabi Tel Aviv.
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Someone please get the Thomson directory for Barcelona. Oscar Garcia, he drinks Sangria, he came from Barca, to bring us joy!!! There must be players on the books of Barcelona, whether in the B team or youth team who could improve our squad, who due to our unique connections, might be available for loan?[/p][/quote]I agree. I was expecting more signings from Oscar's previous connections. Either from Spain or Maccabi Tel Aviv. Quiterie
  • Score: 6

9:14am Wed 22 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ![/p][/quote]You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

9:21am Wed 22 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

In the words of---------I don´t believe it--Is it Logi Baird?? Come on we need some young blood, yes experience counts but give us a break, Injured, older than I think we should be looking for and Reading may not want him---sounds like they have more ambition to find good players than us---dear oh dear!!!
In the words of---------I don´t believe it--Is it Logi Baird?? Come on we need some young blood, yes experience counts but give us a break, Injured, older than I think we should be looking for and Reading may not want him---sounds like they have more ambition to find good players than us---dear oh dear!!! mikeygit
  • Score: -3

9:22am Wed 22 Jan 14

farside says...

There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd.
Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.
There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd. Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail. farside
  • Score: 10

9:23am Wed 22 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Someone please get the Thomson directory for Barcelona. Oscar Garcia, he drinks Sangria, he came from Barca, to bring us joy!!! There must be players on the books of Barcelona, whether in the B team or youth team who could improve our squad, who due to our unique connections, might be available for loan?
Yes i`m sure there are, and i totally agree with you ,and i have been saying this for months ,along with a few others ,but heaven forbid anyone say a word against B&B ,there looking after our finances you know !. Just what skill has Burke shown in bringing players in ? and remind me who he has played for and coached !. And yes we need to watch the pennies ,for pete sake were not daft ,but we have monies from our original budget ,plus the transfer fees from Barnes ,Barker ,and El Abd ,and this is the best these two can come up with . Someone made a good comment the other day ,with all the City and The Albion have to offer ,and no one seems interested in coming to us ??. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Someone please get the Thomson directory for Barcelona. Oscar Garcia, he drinks Sangria, he came from Barca, to bring us joy!!! There must be players on the books of Barcelona, whether in the B team or youth team who could improve our squad, who due to our unique connections, might be available for loan?[/p][/quote]Yes i`m sure there are, and i totally agree with you ,and i have been saying this for months ,along with a few others ,but heaven forbid anyone say a word against B&B ,there looking after our finances you know !. Just what skill has Burke shown in bringing players in ? and remind me who he has played for and coached !. And yes we need to watch the pennies ,for pete sake were not daft ,but we have monies from our original budget ,plus the transfer fees from Barnes ,Barker ,and El Abd ,and this is the best these two can come up with . Someone made a good comment the other day ,with all the City and The Albion have to offer ,and no one seems interested in coming to us ??. UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

9:27am Wed 22 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -3

9:27am Wed 22 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I'm amazed so many are against what is no more than a very hypothetical move. Baird has played most of his career at a decent level (higher than us and way higher than El-Abd is currently plying his trade), yet, despite the fact that several teams above or around us are reportedly interested, he still isn't good enough for us? Hmm...

He would be short-term cover, that is all. He is not our future, he would be for the here and now.

Can someone give me a list of these Barca B players who would fit in, are available, and would be willing to come to us?

Just because other clubs are spending too heavily and jeopardising their very futures, does that mean we should too? I would've thought Albion fans would be the last on the planet to risk sending their club into oblivion.
I'm amazed so many are against what is no more than a very hypothetical move. Baird has played most of his career at a decent level (higher than us and way higher than El-Abd is currently plying his trade), yet, despite the fact that several teams above or around us are reportedly interested, he still isn't good enough for us? Hmm... He would be short-term cover, that is all. He is not our future, he would be for the here and now. Can someone give me a list of these Barca B players who would fit in, are available, and would be willing to come to us? Just because other clubs are spending too heavily and jeopardising their very futures, does that mean we should too? I would've thought Albion fans would be the last on the planet to risk sending their club into oblivion. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

9:28am Wed 22 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

farside wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd.
Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.
Well said, how many potential premiership centre backs are available?
How many happy to sit on bench?
How many can cover any position across the back 4?
He will be a short term deal to simply cover various positions and if called up would play with a wealth of experience....
I think it's safe to say we are keeping powder dry to the fall out that the fair play rules will bring, that will reduce those capable of promotion challenge down to a few clubs...
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd. Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.[/p][/quote]Well said, how many potential premiership centre backs are available? How many happy to sit on bench? How many can cover any position across the back 4? He will be a short term deal to simply cover various positions and if called up would play with a wealth of experience.... I think it's safe to say we are keeping powder dry to the fall out that the fair play rules will bring, that will reduce those capable of promotion challenge down to a few clubs... mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

9:29am Wed 22 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

farside wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd.
Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.
That's basically what I was saying, but better put :-)
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd. Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.[/p][/quote]That's basically what I was saying, but better put :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

9:32am Wed 22 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
No but we are in a better position than 20 other clubs in this division, accounts are available if you search for them, director loans will be the key.
My point is we will lose a massive portion of our turn over if we lose 4000 season ticket holders...
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.[/p][/quote]No but we are in a better position than 20 other clubs in this division, accounts are available if you search for them, director loans will be the key. My point is we will lose a massive portion of our turn over if we lose 4000 season ticket holders... mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

9:42am Wed 22 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Tug/Skinner---someon
e reported seeing Oscar on a plane to Barcelona the other day---was he?? if so maybe only just visiting friends and family??? Certainly no news on any new Spanish players on the horizon.
Tug/Skinner---someon e reported seeing Oscar on a plane to Barcelona the other day---was he?? if so maybe only just visiting friends and family??? Certainly no news on any new Spanish players on the horizon. mikeygit
  • Score: -3

9:54am Wed 22 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

We should be looking at a young central defender like Dan Burn at Fulham. He has already been on loan at Birmingham contributing to their recent run of good results and Lee Clark wants him back! Young, tall and according to the Fulham website highly thought of!
We should be looking at a young central defender like Dan Burn at Fulham. He has already been on loan at Birmingham contributing to their recent run of good results and Lee Clark wants him back! Young, tall and according to the Fulham website highly thought of! falmer seagull
  • Score: 4

10:04am Wed 22 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
farside wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd.
Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.
That's basically what I was saying, but better put :-)
So, Farside, if Baird is better in the air and quicker on the ground than Greer, you think he would go straight in alongside Upson? If not, won't he just be doing what El Abd was? Warming the bench?

And, I'd be interested to know in what ways you feel Greer is "considerably better" than El Abd. What did we miss while El Abd filled in for Greer, in your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd. Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.[/p][/quote]That's basically what I was saying, but better put :-)[/p][/quote]So, Farside, if Baird is better in the air and quicker on the ground than Greer, you think he would go straight in alongside Upson? If not, won't he just be doing what El Abd was? Warming the bench? And, I'd be interested to know in what ways you feel Greer is "considerably better" than El Abd. What did we miss while El Abd filled in for Greer, in your opinion? WestStander17
  • Score: 2

10:11am Wed 22 Jan 14

wiseman of hove says...

I think it is scraping the barrel when we are apparently considering a player sidelined for seven weeks with an ankle injury - and then sweating on Reading's decision! Baird is, or has been, a decent player but it feels like a retrograde step to me. Like others, I had expected some 'acquisition' benefit from Oscar's Spain and Israel contacts.
I think it is scraping the barrel when we are apparently considering a player sidelined for seven weeks with an ankle injury - and then sweating on Reading's decision! Baird is, or has been, a decent player but it feels like a retrograde step to me. Like others, I had expected some 'acquisition' benefit from Oscar's Spain and Israel contacts. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 6

10:22am Wed 22 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

We should be looking for young experienced players who are ready for first team action now! We look at too young for development squad or too old injury prone. Change the scouts. Look in Div 1 and 2 to find the new Glenn Murray or Brian Horton. We know they are there they just need findind!
We should be looking for young experienced players who are ready for first team action now! We look at too young for development squad or too old injury prone. Change the scouts. Look in Div 1 and 2 to find the new Glenn Murray or Brian Horton. We know they are there they just need findind! falmer seagull
  • Score: 5

10:23am Wed 22 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

finding!
finding! falmer seagull
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 22 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

Buying another ageing and injured player Burkes having a laugh.We are becoming a rest home for older and injury prone players.We need youth with good potential.
Buying another ageing and injured player Burkes having a laugh.We are becoming a rest home for older and injury prone players.We need youth with good potential. pjwilk
  • Score: 3

10:40am Wed 22 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
farside wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd.
Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.
That's basically what I was saying, but better put :-)
So, Farside, if Baird is better in the air and quicker on the ground than Greer, you think he would go straight in alongside Upson? If not, won't he just be doing what El Abd was? Warming the bench?

And, I'd be interested to know in what ways you feel Greer is "considerably better" than El Abd. What did we miss while El Abd filled in for Greer, in your opinion?
Have a look at MK Dons first goal Against Bristol City from last Saturday, he plays the player more than the ball, but in the end is not close enough to either. Love El-Abd, but Greer is a better bet 9 times out of 10.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: There seem to be a lot of people on here who either dont actually watch football or who just watch Albion with blinkers on. Greer is a considwrably better footballer than elAbd (much as I admire the man for his endeavour and 100% committment). Baird is a different type of player to Greer - better in the air a d quicker on the ground. His pace, tackling and passing are (as his career indicates) in a different league to elAbd. Forget age (although he is far from past it). As a short term signing - for example to help us get promoted - he would be a good signing..... which is why I expect Reading to hold on to him. If not however, there are other clubs chasing him - clubs thatvthe fans berating Albion on here for kack if ambition, bizarrely hold up as the examples we should follow in search of the holy grail.[/p][/quote]That's basically what I was saying, but better put :-)[/p][/quote]So, Farside, if Baird is better in the air and quicker on the ground than Greer, you think he would go straight in alongside Upson? If not, won't he just be doing what El Abd was? Warming the bench? And, I'd be interested to know in what ways you feel Greer is "considerably better" than El Abd. What did we miss while El Abd filled in for Greer, in your opinion?[/p][/quote]Have a look at MK Dons first goal Against Bristol City from last Saturday, he plays the player more than the ball, but in the end is not close enough to either. Love El-Abd, but Greer is a better bet 9 times out of 10. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

10:41am Wed 22 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

Not surprised he has an ankle injury if that is how he plants his standing leg usually.
Not surprised he has an ankle injury if that is how he plants his standing leg usually. Baldseagull
  • Score: 1

11:02am Wed 22 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

I cannot understand why AEA was sold so cheaply.i read it was a five figure sum-my maths was always terrible but that means he went for under £100,000! Also the club obviously feel that Lewis Dunk is not the answer.I know he has has his critics,including me,but I feel he has potential to be a very good player and should be given a chance.The other youngsters are being given first team experience and so should he when the time is right.
I cannot understand why AEA was sold so cheaply.i read it was a five figure sum-my maths was always terrible but that means he went for under £100,000! Also the club obviously feel that Lewis Dunk is not the answer.I know he has has his critics,including me,but I feel he has potential to be a very good player and should be given a chance.The other youngsters are being given first team experience and so should he when the time is right. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 1

11:19am Wed 22 Jan 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Every good team needs a mix of youth and experience so don't write this guy off just because he's 31. Look at how Matthew Upson and Wayne Bridge have performed for us and they're older.
I'm more concerned about his current fitness and when we could play him. Also we need to give our youngsters experience ready for next season so I see this as a short term expedient, if there is any credibility in the story at all. UTA
Every good team needs a mix of youth and experience so don't write this guy off just because he's 31. Look at how Matthew Upson and Wayne Bridge have performed for us and they're older. I'm more concerned about his current fitness and when we could play him. Also we need to give our youngsters experience ready for next season so I see this as a short term expedient, if there is any credibility in the story at all. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 3

11:48am Wed 22 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

I am struggling to understand how getting a defender who is younger than both Greer and Upson, with PL experience is bad business? I would rather have that as cover than a young untried player.

MBTS is right. With a new world class stadium (recently expanded), of course the club has debts of £120m. There is a difference between operating loss and debt. Fortunately, because of TB we have cheap debt and a spanking new ground to show for it. If you look at the FFP rules, the fines are substantial if you go over the allowed operating loss. So if you gamble and fail to get to the PL you will have an operating loss, significant fines and a transfer embargo to contend with. A recipe for disaster if you get it wrong.

However, the difficult balancing act is for our club to do enough to keep season ticket sales high for the next couple of years, so that our income remains strong while FFP bites for others. If we end up selling Barnes, El Abd, Bridcutt and Buckley, as fans we would expect to see some significant signings to fill the gaps and strengthen the squad. The next 2 or 3 weeks are crucial in terms of the strength of squad we end up with and results from a difficult series of away games.
I am struggling to understand how getting a defender who is younger than both Greer and Upson, with PL experience is bad business? I would rather have that as cover than a young untried player. MBTS is right. With a new world class stadium (recently expanded), of course the club has debts of £120m. There is a difference between operating loss and debt. Fortunately, because of TB we have cheap debt and a spanking new ground to show for it. If you look at the FFP rules, the fines are substantial if you go over the allowed operating loss. So if you gamble and fail to get to the PL you will have an operating loss, significant fines and a transfer embargo to contend with. A recipe for disaster if you get it wrong. However, the difficult balancing act is for our club to do enough to keep season ticket sales high for the next couple of years, so that our income remains strong while FFP bites for others. If we end up selling Barnes, El Abd, Bridcutt and Buckley, as fans we would expect to see some significant signings to fill the gaps and strengthen the squad. The next 2 or 3 weeks are crucial in terms of the strength of squad we end up with and results from a difficult series of away games. Chi Gull
  • Score: 6

11:49am Wed 22 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

Alfie T wrote:
What's happening with Conway,are Cardiff having another look at him? Come on Argus,report on someone we want to see back at the club!
Ah so that's what the Argus should be doing - reporting on players we want to see at the club, rather than the ones we are actually pursuing?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: What's happening with Conway,are Cardiff having another look at him? Come on Argus,report on someone we want to see back at the club![/p][/quote]Ah so that's what the Argus should be doing - reporting on players we want to see at the club, rather than the ones we are actually pursuing? Chi Gull
  • Score: 4

12:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Aye Aye says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Every good team needs a mix of youth and experience so don't write this guy off just because he's 31. Look at how Matthew Upson and Wayne Bridge have performed for us and they're older.
I'm more concerned about his current fitness and when we could play him. Also we need to give our youngsters experience ready for next season so I see this as a short term expedient, if there is any credibility in the story at all. UTA
Very true JG. It's just as well Man Utd didn't write off Ryan Giggs when he reached 31! Kevin Phillips is no slouch either (and we wanted him when he was almost 40!)
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Every good team needs a mix of youth and experience so don't write this guy off just because he's 31. Look at how Matthew Upson and Wayne Bridge have performed for us and they're older. I'm more concerned about his current fitness and when we could play him. Also we need to give our youngsters experience ready for next season so I see this as a short term expedient, if there is any credibility in the story at all. UTA[/p][/quote]Very true JG. It's just as well Man Utd didn't write off Ryan Giggs when he reached 31! Kevin Phillips is no slouch either (and we wanted him when he was almost 40!) Aye Aye
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

There are two ways to look at this possible signing.
You can take the negative view as expressed by many today, older player and the club is not showing ambition.
The flip side of that is, 3rd string center back signing, experienced cover player, the club feels there is a chance of promotion and this guy would see us thru to the end of the season and no more. He comes on a short term contract so we are not bogged down with a player that we might not keep if we get promoted.

Look at who we have lost, think about what his role was, consider our chances of making the playoffs and what would follow if we get promoted. We are not looking to replace Greer or Upson at this moment in time, we are looking for back up. The fee we got for El-Abd would pay this guys wages thru to seasons end.
There are two ways to look at this possible signing. You can take the negative view as expressed by many today, older player and the club is not showing ambition. The flip side of that is, 3rd string center back signing, experienced cover player, the club feels there is a chance of promotion and this guy would see us thru to the end of the season and no more. He comes on a short term contract so we are not bogged down with a player that we might not keep if we get promoted. Look at who we have lost, think about what his role was, consider our chances of making the playoffs and what would follow if we get promoted. We are not looking to replace Greer or Upson at this moment in time, we are looking for back up. The fee we got for El-Abd would pay this guys wages thru to seasons end. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

12:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

saraman wrote:
For heavens sake, the last thing we need is another injured player on our books. We must be able to do better than this, surely.

Great news on Kaz, just what we need for the Port Vale trip.
I agree with all these concerned posters. First thing I looked at is 222 Games in nearly 14 years! Sounds like there is a pattern developing in Burke's Choices. I don't even try and compare him with Adam as Adam simply wanted to play week in week out - but I'm just concerned who is deciding what at our club.

Please prove me wrong by working secretly on 3 stellar signings in the back ground only to be revealed once they have signed on deadline day when Liam puts pen to paper at the Stadium of Darkness.

That's the way I love signings to be done! Quietly while 'know nothings' like us speculate!!!!
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake, the last thing we need is another injured player on our books. We must be able to do better than this, surely. Great news on Kaz, just what we need for the Port Vale trip.[/p][/quote]I agree with all these concerned posters. First thing I looked at is 222 Games in nearly 14 years! Sounds like there is a pattern developing in Burke's Choices. I don't even try and compare him with Adam as Adam simply wanted to play week in week out - but I'm just concerned who is deciding what at our club. Please prove me wrong by working secretly on 3 stellar signings in the back ground only to be revealed once they have signed on deadline day when Liam puts pen to paper at the Stadium of Darkness. That's the way I love signings to be done! Quietly while 'know nothings' like us speculate!!!! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
saraman wrote:
For heavens sake, the last thing we need is another injured player on our books. We must be able to do better than this, surely.

Great news on Kaz, just what we need for the Port Vale trip.
I agree with all these concerned posters. First thing I looked at is 222 Games in nearly 14 years! Sounds like there is a pattern developing in Burke's Choices. I don't even try and compare him with Adam as Adam simply wanted to play week in week out - but I'm just concerned who is deciding what at our club.

Please prove me wrong by working secretly on 3 stellar signings in the back ground only to be revealed once they have signed on deadline day when Liam puts pen to paper at the Stadium of Darkness.

That's the way I love signings to be done! Quietly while 'know nothings' like us speculate!!!!
'Stellar,' signings I presume, are players that would start for us, is this article not about finding a replacement for a 3rd string center back who has moved on? I really don't understand what all the fuss is about over this possible signing, we are looking for a back up player, not a replacement for one of our back four, and as such this guy would seem to be a good fit.

I don't think he will sign, not if he wants regular games and I would guess that there are clubs out there that would give him more playing time than we will.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake, the last thing we need is another injured player on our books. We must be able to do better than this, surely. Great news on Kaz, just what we need for the Port Vale trip.[/p][/quote]I agree with all these concerned posters. First thing I looked at is 222 Games in nearly 14 years! Sounds like there is a pattern developing in Burke's Choices. I don't even try and compare him with Adam as Adam simply wanted to play week in week out - but I'm just concerned who is deciding what at our club. Please prove me wrong by working secretly on 3 stellar signings in the back ground only to be revealed once they have signed on deadline day when Liam puts pen to paper at the Stadium of Darkness. That's the way I love signings to be done! Quietly while 'know nothings' like us speculate!!!![/p][/quote]'Stellar,' signings I presume, are players that would start for us, is this article not about finding a replacement for a 3rd string center back who has moved on? I really don't understand what all the fuss is about over this possible signing, we are looking for a back up player, not a replacement for one of our back four, and as such this guy would seem to be a good fit. I don't think he will sign, not if he wants regular games and I would guess that there are clubs out there that would give him more playing time than we will. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

12:45pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
I am struggling to understand how getting a defender who is younger than both Greer and Upson, with PL experience is bad business? I would rather have that as cover than a young untried player.

MBTS is right. With a new world class stadium (recently expanded), of course the club has debts of £120m. There is a difference between operating loss and debt. Fortunately, because of TB we have cheap debt and a spanking new ground to show for it. If you look at the FFP rules, the fines are substantial if you go over the allowed operating loss. So if you gamble and fail to get to the PL you will have an operating loss, significant fines and a transfer embargo to contend with. A recipe for disaster if you get it wrong.

However, the difficult balancing act is for our club to do enough to keep season ticket sales high for the next couple of years, so that our income remains strong while FFP bites for others. If we end up selling Barnes, El Abd, Bridcutt and Buckley, as fans we would expect to see some significant signings to fill the gaps and strengthen the squad. The next 2 or 3 weeks are crucial in terms of the strength of squad we end up with and results from a difficult series of away games.
I agree with this offering, a sensible comment that looks at the bigger picture.
I would point out that our total debt is way higher than 120 million.
The stadium, the stadium expansion, the new facility and the 16 million we lost in years 1 and 2 at the Amex. I would suggest that our total debt is nearer 160 million.
You are right, operational losses are different to debt, for the first two years at the Amex we lost 8 million in operational costs in each of them, at the end of the year the loss is a loss and gets added to our total debt figure. I think I am right in saying that Barber is on course to reduce our operational losses by some 3 million this year, I presume that that figure does not take into account the possible sale of Bridcutt and what we might do with that money.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: I am struggling to understand how getting a defender who is younger than both Greer and Upson, with PL experience is bad business? I would rather have that as cover than a young untried player. MBTS is right. With a new world class stadium (recently expanded), of course the club has debts of £120m. There is a difference between operating loss and debt. Fortunately, because of TB we have cheap debt and a spanking new ground to show for it. If you look at the FFP rules, the fines are substantial if you go over the allowed operating loss. So if you gamble and fail to get to the PL you will have an operating loss, significant fines and a transfer embargo to contend with. A recipe for disaster if you get it wrong. However, the difficult balancing act is for our club to do enough to keep season ticket sales high for the next couple of years, so that our income remains strong while FFP bites for others. If we end up selling Barnes, El Abd, Bridcutt and Buckley, as fans we would expect to see some significant signings to fill the gaps and strengthen the squad. The next 2 or 3 weeks are crucial in terms of the strength of squad we end up with and results from a difficult series of away games.[/p][/quote]I agree with this offering, a sensible comment that looks at the bigger picture. I would point out that our total debt is way higher than 120 million. The stadium, the stadium expansion, the new facility and the 16 million we lost in years 1 and 2 at the Amex. I would suggest that our total debt is nearer 160 million. You are right, operational losses are different to debt, for the first two years at the Amex we lost 8 million in operational costs in each of them, at the end of the year the loss is a loss and gets added to our total debt figure. I think I am right in saying that Barber is on course to reduce our operational losses by some 3 million this year, I presume that that figure does not take into account the possible sale of Bridcutt and what we might do with that money. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Wed 22 Jan 14

albion64 says...

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Whoooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo? albion64
  • Score: -2

12:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list?
Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick.
Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you..
So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list? Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick. Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you.. So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while. kwaidam
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

seegull fly in sky says...

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  • Score: -2

12:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

kwaidam wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list?
Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick.
Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you..
So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.
Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list? Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick. Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you.. So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ballantrrae says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me.

He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!!

No, makes no sense.

I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with.

What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?!
WestStander17 since I haven't seen any figure quoted in terms of the fee we received for El-Abd can you indicate roughly how much we got ?
I must say I would be disappointed if we didn't get a six figure sum.
On the Baird topic I am not sure that signing another 30s plus defender with a recent injury problem is the most sensible move but I do appreciate that the club seem to be actively trying to replace El-Abd who incidentally is only 29 !
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me. He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!! No, makes no sense. I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with. What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?![/p][/quote]WestStander17 since I haven't seen any figure quoted in terms of the fee we received for El-Abd can you indicate roughly how much we got ? I must say I would be disappointed if we didn't get a six figure sum. On the Baird topic I am not sure that signing another 30s plus defender with a recent injury problem is the most sensible move but I do appreciate that the club seem to be actively trying to replace El-Abd who incidentally is only 29 ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bllantrrae, please tell me that you understand that we are not looking to replace one of our back four, and that we, 'are,' looking to replace a back up player that left with another back up player.
The way some are talking/typing on here today you would think that Greer or Upson had left.
Bllantrrae, please tell me that you understand that we are not looking to replace one of our back four, and that we, 'are,' looking to replace a back up player that left with another back up player. The way some are talking/typing on here today you would think that Greer or Upson had left. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:29pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Far gull says...

Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of.
All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that.
But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash.
I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this.
We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.
Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of. All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that. But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash. I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this. We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to. Far gull
  • Score: 3

1:38pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

It is being reported that Crawley turned down a 400k bid for 21 year old defender Joe Walsh, the potential buyer is not named, the bid did not meet Crawley's valuation of the player. I wonder, were we the bidders?
It is being reported that Crawley turned down a 400k bid for 21 year old defender Joe Walsh, the potential buyer is not named, the bid did not meet Crawley's valuation of the player. I wonder, were we the bidders? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Wed 22 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Far gull wrote:
Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of.
All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that.
But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash.
I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this.
We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.
Purely from a negative point of view ,which is what B&B are training me to become used to ,but whether we are a selling club for the next few years or not ,i can only see Burke seeing our homegrown talent at the new academy ,as saleable assetts ! ,Dickensen for example !.

Some on here ,feel the need to constantly repeat this mantra ,"look at where we are now in such a short time ,surely we dont want to be like Pompey or Bolton ?."
OBVIOUSLY WISE WORDS ,but we have ALL heard them a thousand times ,and the vast majority ,including myself would not argue with them ,and those that cant appreciate them are imho a lost cause to the argument.
However ,we find ourselves in an unexpected position (7th) even with all the obsticles we have had to overcome this season .So why are we not looking like a side trying to improve for the final assault on the peak. We have some ? money in the kitty ,please give it to Oscar to use wisely ,rather than Burke ,to behave like one !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of. All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that. But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash. I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this. We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.[/p][/quote]Purely from a negative point of view ,which is what B&B are training me to become used to ,but whether we are a selling club for the next few years or not ,i can only see Burke seeing our homegrown talent at the new academy ,as saleable assetts ! ,Dickensen for example !. Some on here ,feel the need to constantly repeat this mantra ,"look at where we are now in such a short time ,surely we dont want to be like Pompey or Bolton ?." OBVIOUSLY WISE WORDS ,but we have ALL heard them a thousand times ,and the vast majority ,including myself would not argue with them ,and those that cant appreciate them are imho a lost cause to the argument. However ,we find ourselves in an unexpected position (7th) even with all the obsticles we have had to overcome this season .So why are we not looking like a side trying to improve for the final assault on the peak. We have some ? money in the kitty ,please give it to Oscar to use wisely ,rather than Burke ,to behave like one !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Steveg1958 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
It is being reported that Crawley turned down a 400k bid for 21 year old defender Joe Walsh, the potential buyer is not named, the bid did not meet Crawley's valuation of the player. I wonder, were we the bidders?
I very much doubt it Vegas, ! I'm all for buying for the future but w seem to buy lads for the DS, and injured or unfit has been's for the 1st team,! B+B should know that although a business that needs to be run properly, this is also a football club that relies on its fans getting excited in the seats and seeing progress on the pitch. The club's buying policy is in danger of alienating not just fans but OG, Ulla et al.
As I have said before the next days of this transfer widow will tell us all we need to know about the football (not business) ambitions of Mr Barber and Mr Burke. I do not include Tony Bloom in that because he as consistently shown he has the required ambition, after all he is a fan too, B+B are clearly not at all.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: It is being reported that Crawley turned down a 400k bid for 21 year old defender Joe Walsh, the potential buyer is not named, the bid did not meet Crawley's valuation of the player. I wonder, were we the bidders?[/p][/quote]I very much doubt it Vegas, ! I'm all for buying for the future but w seem to buy lads for the DS, and injured or unfit has been's for the 1st team,! B+B should know that although a business that needs to be run properly, this is also a football club that relies on its fans getting excited in the seats and seeing progress on the pitch. The club's buying policy is in danger of alienating not just fans but OG, Ulla et al. As I have said before the next days of this transfer widow will tell us all we need to know about the football (not business) ambitions of Mr Barber and Mr Burke. I do not include Tony Bloom in that because he as consistently shown he has the required ambition, after all he is a fan too, B+B are clearly not at all. Steveg1958
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Chi Gull says...

tug509 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of.
All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that.
But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash.
I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this.
We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.
Purely from a negative point of view ,which is what B&B are training me to become used to ,but whether we are a selling club for the next few years or not ,i can only see Burke seeing our homegrown talent at the new academy ,as saleable assetts ! ,Dickensen for example !.

Some on here ,feel the need to constantly repeat this mantra ,"look at where we are now in such a short time ,surely we dont want to be like Pompey or Bolton ?."
OBVIOUSLY WISE WORDS ,but we have ALL heard them a thousand times ,and the vast majority ,including myself would not argue with them ,and those that cant appreciate them are imho a lost cause to the argument.
However ,we find ourselves in an unexpected position (7th) even with all the obsticles we have had to overcome this season .So why are we not looking like a side trying to improve for the final assault on the peak. We have some ? money in the kitty ,please give it to Oscar to use wisely ,rather than Burke ,to behave like one !. UTA
Tug - at the moment we have lost Barnes and were on the verge of signing a replacement at higher cost than Barnes, and with a better goalscoring record than Barnes - but the deal fell through.

We have lost El Abd and seem to be interested in a replacement with 200+ games mostly in the PL and 61 international caps for Northern Ireland. (over less than 14 yrs by the way)

.. and you say we are not trying to improve ?

If and when LB or WB go, we will need to judge the progress of the club against who we bring in as replacements. At the moment it's all doom and gloom when there is still a way to go in this window, with long term loans and other options still to come. All this at the same time as building a fantastic ground and investing in world class training and academy facilities.

As I said on a previous thread, it would sometimes help if we heard more from Barber and Bloom. On the other hand, revealing your hand is not always a wise thing to do in today's crazy football world.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of. All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that. But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash. I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this. We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.[/p][/quote]Purely from a negative point of view ,which is what B&B are training me to become used to ,but whether we are a selling club for the next few years or not ,i can only see Burke seeing our homegrown talent at the new academy ,as saleable assetts ! ,Dickensen for example !. Some on here ,feel the need to constantly repeat this mantra ,"look at where we are now in such a short time ,surely we dont want to be like Pompey or Bolton ?." OBVIOUSLY WISE WORDS ,but we have ALL heard them a thousand times ,and the vast majority ,including myself would not argue with them ,and those that cant appreciate them are imho a lost cause to the argument. However ,we find ourselves in an unexpected position (7th) even with all the obsticles we have had to overcome this season .So why are we not looking like a side trying to improve for the final assault on the peak. We have some ? money in the kitty ,please give it to Oscar to use wisely ,rather than Burke ,to behave like one !. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug - at the moment we have lost Barnes and were on the verge of signing a replacement at higher cost than Barnes, and with a better goalscoring record than Barnes - but the deal fell through. We have lost El Abd and seem to be interested in a replacement with 200+ games mostly in the PL and 61 international caps for Northern Ireland. (over less than 14 yrs by the way) .. and you say we are not trying to improve ? If and when LB or WB go, we will need to judge the progress of the club against who we bring in as replacements. At the moment it's all doom and gloom when there is still a way to go in this window, with long term loans and other options still to come. All this at the same time as building a fantastic ground and investing in world class training and academy facilities. As I said on a previous thread, it would sometimes help if we heard more from Barber and Bloom. On the other hand, revealing your hand is not always a wise thing to do in today's crazy football world. Chi Gull
  • Score: 4

3:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

tug509 says...

Chi Gull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of.
All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that.
But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash.
I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this.
We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.
Purely from a negative point of view ,which is what B&B are training me to become used to ,but whether we are a selling club for the next few years or not ,i can only see Burke seeing our homegrown talent at the new academy ,as saleable assetts ! ,Dickensen for example !.

Some on here ,feel the need to constantly repeat this mantra ,"look at where we are now in such a short time ,surely we dont want to be like Pompey or Bolton ?."
OBVIOUSLY WISE WORDS ,but we have ALL heard them a thousand times ,and the vast majority ,including myself would not argue with them ,and those that cant appreciate them are imho a lost cause to the argument.
However ,we find ourselves in an unexpected position (7th) even with all the obsticles we have had to overcome this season .So why are we not looking like a side trying to improve for the final assault on the peak. We have some ? money in the kitty ,please give it to Oscar to use wisely ,rather than Burke ,to behave like one !. UTA
Tug - at the moment we have lost Barnes and were on the verge of signing a replacement at higher cost than Barnes, and with a better goalscoring record than Barnes - but the deal fell through.

We have lost El Abd and seem to be interested in a replacement with 200+ games mostly in the PL and 61 international caps for Northern Ireland. (over less than 14 yrs by the way)

.. and you say we are not trying to improve ?

If and when LB or WB go, we will need to judge the progress of the club against who we bring in as replacements. At the moment it's all doom and gloom when there is still a way to go in this window, with long term loans and other options still to come. All this at the same time as building a fantastic ground and investing in world class training and academy facilities.

As I said on a previous thread, it would sometimes help if we heard more from Barber and Bloom. On the other hand, revealing your hand is not always a wise thing to do in today's crazy football world.
Hi Chi Gull ,no pun intended. Losing Ash & Adam was a blow to most of us i think ,especially as B&B did not have ready replacements ,i dont think you can count money grabber as a potential replacement for AB as he never intended to move ,it was obviously just a ploy to get more money from Mouthbourne ,otherwise why didn`t he speak to QPR or Reading ? ,my guess ,he had already got what he wanted .

Baird may well be a decent defender ,but with 20 games left (hopefully 23) what we need is consistency ,can he give us that with his recent injury ?. LB and/or WB may well go to S,land ,but if they do ,will it give us enough time to get decent replacements in ?. I personally believe we would have got at least a point at Derby if LB had played ,their goal was scored from his position ,and he could have made one for us ,we will never know ,but what we all know is we should have had cover for AB and AEA ,we were left short by a pair of suits trying to do Oscars job imo !.

Paul Ince was sacked for not giving his Chairman a list of possible targets ,and we are told Oscar is given a list to chose from ,if this is true ,then we have got it seriously wrong !!. We can argue over whether Oscar is a Manager or a Coach ,it`s only a title ,we all know he should be allowed to bring in his own choices ,if so ,who knows we may yet go up ,but imho ,we have no chance with Bill and Ben the monetary men !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Firstly can i say i am all for a solvent ,debt paying back club. End of. All that is required is for the B +B team and Tony (who is really entitled to his money back pretty much as he sees fit) to come out and say we havd to be a selling club pretty much for next 3 yrs until developments finished and Ffp has done its bit. In the mean time we are going to (once we are in a firm position each season) blood and develop as many youngsters as poss. I think we could live with that. But don"t B+B expect us to keep being fobbed off by has beens and a poor product as however you dress this up it on the pitch is not going to wash. I seem to recall seeing mention of hotel plans etc after training facilities finished ? Got money for architec's planning applications etc. All those will be wasted money if support ebbs off and and we don't maintain some momentum on the pitch. Journey men players will not help this. We are in a good league position unbelievably this season ,ship in some good to help the cause or be shipped out B+B . Would at this point not ever be surprised OG packed his bags as he talked about wanting to keep players that have now left and more that are due to.[/p][/quote]Purely from a negative point of view ,which is what B&B are training me to become used to ,but whether we are a selling club for the next few years or not ,i can only see Burke seeing our homegrown talent at the new academy ,as saleable assetts ! ,Dickensen for example !. Some on here ,feel the need to constantly repeat this mantra ,"look at where we are now in such a short time ,surely we dont want to be like Pompey or Bolton ?." OBVIOUSLY WISE WORDS ,but we have ALL heard them a thousand times ,and the vast majority ,including myself would not argue with them ,and those that cant appreciate them are imho a lost cause to the argument. However ,we find ourselves in an unexpected position (7th) even with all the obsticles we have had to overcome this season .So why are we not looking like a side trying to improve for the final assault on the peak. We have some ? money in the kitty ,please give it to Oscar to use wisely ,rather than Burke ,to behave like one !. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug - at the moment we have lost Barnes and were on the verge of signing a replacement at higher cost than Barnes, and with a better goalscoring record than Barnes - but the deal fell through. We have lost El Abd and seem to be interested in a replacement with 200+ games mostly in the PL and 61 international caps for Northern Ireland. (over less than 14 yrs by the way) .. and you say we are not trying to improve ? If and when LB or WB go, we will need to judge the progress of the club against who we bring in as replacements. At the moment it's all doom and gloom when there is still a way to go in this window, with long term loans and other options still to come. All this at the same time as building a fantastic ground and investing in world class training and academy facilities. As I said on a previous thread, it would sometimes help if we heard more from Barber and Bloom. On the other hand, revealing your hand is not always a wise thing to do in today's crazy football world.[/p][/quote]Hi Chi Gull ,no pun intended. Losing Ash & Adam was a blow to most of us i think ,especially as B&B did not have ready replacements ,i dont think you can count money grabber as a potential replacement for AB as he never intended to move ,it was obviously just a ploy to get more money from Mouthbourne ,otherwise why didn`t he speak to QPR or Reading ? ,my guess ,he had already got what he wanted . Baird may well be a decent defender ,but with 20 games left (hopefully 23) what we need is consistency ,can he give us that with his recent injury ?. LB and/or WB may well go to S,land ,but if they do ,will it give us enough time to get decent replacements in ?. I personally believe we would have got at least a point at Derby if LB had played ,their goal was scored from his position ,and he could have made one for us ,we will never know ,but what we all know is we should have had cover for AB and AEA ,we were left short by a pair of suits trying to do Oscars job imo !. Paul Ince was sacked for not giving his Chairman a list of possible targets ,and we are told Oscar is given a list to chose from ,if this is true ,then we have got it seriously wrong !!. We can argue over whether Oscar is a Manager or a Coach ,it`s only a title ,we all know he should be allowed to bring in his own choices ,if so ,who knows we may yet go up ,but imho ,we have no chance with Bill and Ben the monetary men !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

OldGull says...

Baird seems a good idea to me.
Bring in an experienced defender to cover anywhere along the back 4 until the end of the season.
We are still in touch with the play offs even after such a long injury list.
We are too far off from auto promotion, so it does not make sense to splash the cash on over priced players in January.
If we can bring in a loan to cover for Crofts and try and bring back Conway if Cardiff agree we will be no worse off.
Most of us thought this season would be a bit of a transitional one after Gusgate. So in all honesty are we really doing that bad?
I would prefer to use any transfer monies in the Summer when we know where we are. I expect quite a lot of activity then. Either to make a real push for auto promotion or just maybe to buy to survive in the prem.
To those of you who keep banging on about TB's refusal to splash the cash, How about the £130m for the stadium & training complex. Presumably you all think that is already paid for.
Patience is called for. Our time will come soon
UTA
Baird seems a good idea to me. Bring in an experienced defender to cover anywhere along the back 4 until the end of the season. We are still in touch with the play offs even after such a long injury list. We are too far off from auto promotion, so it does not make sense to splash the cash on over priced players in January. If we can bring in a loan to cover for Crofts and try and bring back Conway if Cardiff agree we will be no worse off. Most of us thought this season would be a bit of a transitional one after Gusgate. So in all honesty are we really doing that bad? I would prefer to use any transfer monies in the Summer when we know where we are. I expect quite a lot of activity then. Either to make a real push for auto promotion or just maybe to buy to survive in the prem. To those of you who keep banging on about TB's refusal to splash the cash, How about the £130m for the stadium & training complex. Presumably you all think that is already paid for. Patience is called for. Our time will come soon UTA OldGull
  • Score: 6

3:11pm Wed 22 Jan 14

kwaidam says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list?
Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick.
Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you..
So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.
Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?
Vegas, my point is we should not even be looking. We had one already. He would have been happy if we had given him more than a one year deal. Short term stop gap thinking by Burke and Barbara, sorry, barber.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list? Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick. Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you.. So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?[/p][/quote]Vegas, my point is we should not even be looking. We had one already. He would have been happy if we had given him more than a one year deal. Short term stop gap thinking by Burke and Barbara, sorry, barber. kwaidam
  • Score: -1

3:20pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
It is being reported that Crawley turned down a 400k bid for 21 year old defender Joe Walsh, the potential buyer is not named, the bid did not meet Crawley's valuation of the player. I wonder, were we the bidders?
I very much doubt it Vegas, ! I'm all for buying for the future but w seem to buy lads for the DS, and injured or unfit has been's for the 1st team,! B+B should know that although a business that needs to be run properly, this is also a football club that relies on its fans getting excited in the seats and seeing progress on the pitch. The club's buying policy is in danger of alienating not just fans but OG, Ulla et al.
As I have said before the next days of this transfer widow will tell us all we need to know about the football (not business) ambitions of Mr Barber and Mr Burke. I do not include Tony Bloom in that because he as consistently shown he has the required ambition, after all he is a fan too, B+B are clearly not at all.
I get what you are saying Steve but someone has to look at our dealings with an eye to the business ramifications, if all purchases were made by, 'fans,' we would be broke inside a year.
I don't think that who ever we sign to cover our back four tells us anything unless he is in his mid twenties, cover is cover, a young lad who is good enough for the job is also one for tomorrow.
The best idea of our intentions might come, or should come, when we see who we sign as a replacement for Crofts and who we sign as an extra striker, or indeed, 'if,' we sign a new striker. The important needs for the squad as I see them are replacing for Crofts, a striker and a creative midfielder, these key signings will make or break our season, buying cover for the back four won't. If the club secures players of a quality that is clear to all, then our intentions for this year will be known, Barber won't have a say in who we sign, that will be Oscar and Burke and both of them know what our budget is. Mr. Bloom won't have any say either, unless Oscar and Burke want, or need, to change our financial structure, and if Bloom gets involved then Barber will too.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: It is being reported that Crawley turned down a 400k bid for 21 year old defender Joe Walsh, the potential buyer is not named, the bid did not meet Crawley's valuation of the player. I wonder, were we the bidders?[/p][/quote]I very much doubt it Vegas, ! I'm all for buying for the future but w seem to buy lads for the DS, and injured or unfit has been's for the 1st team,! B+B should know that although a business that needs to be run properly, this is also a football club that relies on its fans getting excited in the seats and seeing progress on the pitch. The club's buying policy is in danger of alienating not just fans but OG, Ulla et al. As I have said before the next days of this transfer widow will tell us all we need to know about the football (not business) ambitions of Mr Barber and Mr Burke. I do not include Tony Bloom in that because he as consistently shown he has the required ambition, after all he is a fan too, B+B are clearly not at all.[/p][/quote]I get what you are saying Steve but someone has to look at our dealings with an eye to the business ramifications, if all purchases were made by, 'fans,' we would be broke inside a year. I don't think that who ever we sign to cover our back four tells us anything unless he is in his mid twenties, cover is cover, a young lad who is good enough for the job is also one for tomorrow. The best idea of our intentions might come, or should come, when we see who we sign as a replacement for Crofts and who we sign as an extra striker, or indeed, 'if,' we sign a new striker. The important needs for the squad as I see them are replacing for Crofts, a striker and a creative midfielder, these key signings will make or break our season, buying cover for the back four won't. If the club secures players of a quality that is clear to all, then our intentions for this year will be known, Barber won't have a say in who we sign, that will be Oscar and Burke and both of them know what our budget is. Mr. Bloom won't have any say either, unless Oscar and Burke want, or need, to change our financial structure, and if Bloom gets involved then Barber will too. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Wed 22 Jan 14

OldGull says...

kwaidam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list?
Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick.
Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you..
So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.
Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?
Vegas, my point is we should not even be looking. We had one already. He would have been happy if we had given him more than a one year deal. Short term stop gap thinking by Burke and Barbara, sorry, barber.
Yes we had one, but he is at the stage of his career where he wants to play every week and that is why he moved.
Baird w9ill be good cover for the rest of the season.
Time to spend in the summer
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list? Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick. Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you.. So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?[/p][/quote]Vegas, my point is we should not even be looking. We had one already. He would have been happy if we had given him more than a one year deal. Short term stop gap thinking by Burke and Barbara, sorry, barber.[/p][/quote]Yes we had one, but he is at the stage of his career where he wants to play every week and that is why he moved. Baird w9ill be good cover for the rest of the season. Time to spend in the summer OldGull
  • Score: 4

3:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Kwaidam, surely El-Abd didn't leave over any issues regarding his contract, he left because he wanted more playing time. He stood in for 5 or 6 matches as a replacement for Greer, Greer then came straight back in and that prompted El-Abd to go, he told us exactly that. I am sure that the club didn't want him to go, the reported money we got for him, a five figure sum, is peanuts but that is what the guy wanted. I don't think that we should confuse the reason for Barnes leaving with why El-Abd chose to go.
Kwaidam, surely El-Abd didn't leave over any issues regarding his contract, he left because he wanted more playing time. He stood in for 5 or 6 matches as a replacement for Greer, Greer then came straight back in and that prompted El-Abd to go, he told us exactly that. I am sure that the club didn't want him to go, the reported money we got for him, a five figure sum, is peanuts but that is what the guy wanted. I don't think that we should confuse the reason for Barnes leaving with why El-Abd chose to go. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

3:53pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I said it this morning and I'll say it again, because most - not all - seem to be taking this story as a factual illustration of the club's policy.
This connection was made in a national newspaper yesterday and until the club confirm it with either words or deed, I, for one will not be castigating them without good reason.
If it is true, I'd suspect he'll be a back up signing amidst a one or two rather more substantial hits.
I said it this morning and I'll say it again, because most - not all - seem to be taking this story as a factual illustration of the club's policy. This connection was made in a national newspaper yesterday and until the club confirm it with either words or deed, I, for one will not be castigating them without good reason. If it is true, I'd suspect he'll be a back up signing amidst a one or two rather more substantial hits. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

4:24pm Wed 22 Jan 14

searich1983 says...

OldGull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?

Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at?
Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't.
I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue !
You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans.

The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.
Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list?
Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick.
Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you..
So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.
Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?
Vegas, my point is we should not even be looking. We had one already. He would have been happy if we had given him more than a one year deal. Short term stop gap thinking by Burke and Barbara, sorry, barber.
Yes we had one, but he is at the stage of his career where he wants to play every week and that is why he moved.
Baird w9ill be good cover for the rest of the season.
Time to spend in the summer
if the club is 9M in debt then someone is taking money , are we paying TB his money back already?
come on guys, what do you think? this could be the reason why we cannot spend money
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: B rian Tawses left foot wrote: mark by the sea says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it? Brighton are £9 million debt. That's the reality of the situation. To expect the club to spend millions on new players is both foolish and profligate. If Bidders and Buckers are sold I still wouldn't expect us to spend any substantial amount - especially as we are being quoted very silly money for quite mediocre players. If they are so good why are they not in the first team at the clubs they are currently playing at? Why are Burnley, Forest and others spending so much on players? Well it's pretty simple really - they're borrowing lot's of money and taking a gamble on getting promoted and getting the cash back via premiership TV money. Of course it's not going to pay off for all of them. Then some of them may find themselves in a situation similar to that of Bolton - £160 million in debt.. Is that what you really want for our club? I don't. I think the albion's current strategy is to get older player's with substantial experience at a higher level - Ward, Andrews etc whilst bringing on young talent - JFC, Ince, March. This strategy is prudent, wise and has taken the club to the verge of the play offs. Long may it continue ! You need to check the figures , the club is 120 million in debt, we lost 9 million last year! How much of that was pre training ground costs? All debts are to one individual with no bank loans. The club are £120 million? I had no idea you had access to the club's books ! Assuming you are correct - are you seriously advocating that the club should to that figure by spending millions on players who are clearly grossly over priced ? That way lies ruin and anyone with half a brain knows it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are Mr Burke, posting from your luxury office at the Amex while looking thru the latest championship over 30s released list? Anyone with half a brain would see letting our two hardest working and loyal players Ash and Adam go and then bringing in Obika, trying to get grabban and now a reading cast-off is really the way forward. Now why didn't I think of that, brilliant baldrick. Burke, just go and take your boring journeyman strategy with you.. So sorry to aspire to have half a brain. I'll let you know when I have managed it. Could take a while.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam, is the club looking to replace one of our back four at this time, or are we looking to replace a back up defender with a back up defender?[/p][/quote]Vegas, my point is we should not even be looking. We had one already. He would have been happy if we had given him more than a one year deal. Short term stop gap thinking by Burke and Barbara, sorry, barber.[/p][/quote]Yes we had one, but he is at the stage of his career where he wants to play every week and that is why he moved. Baird w9ill be good cover for the rest of the season. Time to spend in the summer[/p][/quote]if the club is 9M in debt then someone is taking money , are we paying TB his money back already? come on guys, what do you think? this could be the reason why we cannot spend money searich1983
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4:27pm Wed 22 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me.

He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!!

No, makes no sense.

I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with.

What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?!
WestStander17 since I haven't seen any figure quoted in terms of the fee we received for El-Abd can you indicate roughly how much we got ?
I must say I would be disappointed if we didn't get a six figure sum.
On the Baird topic I am not sure that signing another 30s plus defender with a recent injury problem is the most sensible move but I do appreciate that the club seem to be actively trying to replace El-Abd who incidentally is only 29 !
When El Abd left, the Argus reported it was a 5 figure fee. So maximum of £99,999.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I thought he was older than 32. Well, he has played at a decent level for a while but letting El Abd go for a reported 5 figure sum only to pick up Baird doesn't make much sense to me. He's older than El Abd. Ok, so we got a fee for El Abd but not a big one. I can't imagine there is too much difference in their wages. I'm sure Baird could do a decent job in the division but so could El Abd. From what I know Baird is a decent character to have around but, hmm, so was El Abd!!! No, makes no sense. I'm a fan of Oscar but I do give him some blame for this. El Abd deserved to keep his place in the side when Greer returned. I think a lot of us preferred him in the side to Greer a lot of the time anyway. He's one of us. Now we could have 3 ageing centre-backs we have less connection with. What odds when Oscar was appointed that "his" signings would read Ward, Andrews, Lita, Obika and Baird?![/p][/quote]WestStander17 since I haven't seen any figure quoted in terms of the fee we received for El-Abd can you indicate roughly how much we got ? I must say I would be disappointed if we didn't get a six figure sum. On the Baird topic I am not sure that signing another 30s plus defender with a recent injury problem is the most sensible move but I do appreciate that the club seem to be actively trying to replace El-Abd who incidentally is only 29 ![/p][/quote]When El Abd left, the Argus reported it was a 5 figure fee. So maximum of £99,999. WestStander17
  • Score: 1

4:33pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

Search1983, it's not, ''the club is 9M in debt, it's a case of we lost some 8 millions in operational cots in year one at the Amex and close to 9 million in year two, around 17 million in just two years.
TB has loaned the club millions on a zero interest deal and I would guess that we are paying him back a little each year.
We know that he fronted up the bulk of the money to build the stadium, I am not sure who paid for the ground expansion or who it is that is paying for the new facility, either or both might be being paid for by bank loans, loans with interest that must be paid when payments are due. One thing we do know is that it is not the earnings from the club that are paying for new works, if we had that sort of money to spend Barber would not have had to cut our losses this year so that we comply with the FFP rules.
Search1983, it's not, ''the club is 9M in debt, it's a case of we lost some 8 millions in operational cots in year one at the Amex and close to 9 million in year two, around 17 million in just two years. TB has loaned the club millions on a zero interest deal and I would guess that we are paying him back a little each year. We know that he fronted up the bulk of the money to build the stadium, I am not sure who paid for the ground expansion or who it is that is paying for the new facility, either or both might be being paid for by bank loans, loans with interest that must be paid when payments are due. One thing we do know is that it is not the earnings from the club that are paying for new works, if we had that sort of money to spend Barber would not have had to cut our losses this year so that we comply with the FFP rules. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:37pm Wed 22 Jan 14

golddene says...

mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?
They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him[/p][/quote]Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?[/p][/quote]They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts. golddene
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

golddene wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?
They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.
Three clubs got relegated last year, so three on parachute payments for three years. This year there will be another three and three more next year, there are always nine clubs in our division in receipt of payments, that's what we have to contend with. It's true to say that in the first year these clubs do have to cover some big wage packets but the sooner they remove them the better chance they have of buying for promotion. For most relegated clubs the extra money for buying won't have an effect until year two, the year after they have got rid of their high earners and cut some of their debts, don't forget, when they move a high earner off the books, they also get a transfer fee for him.
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him[/p][/quote]Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?[/p][/quote]They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.[/p][/quote]Three clubs got relegated last year, so three on parachute payments for three years. This year there will be another three and three more next year, there are always nine clubs in our division in receipt of payments, that's what we have to contend with. It's true to say that in the first year these clubs do have to cover some big wage packets but the sooner they remove them the better chance they have of buying for promotion. For most relegated clubs the extra money for buying won't have an effect until year two, the year after they have got rid of their high earners and cut some of their debts, don't forget, when they move a high earner off the books, they also get a transfer fee for him. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Wed 22 Jan 14

golddene says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
golddene wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?
They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.
Three clubs got relegated last year, so three on parachute payments for three years. This year there will be another three and three more next year, there are always nine clubs in our division in receipt of payments, that's what we have to contend with. It's true to say that in the first year these clubs do have to cover some big wage packets but the sooner they remove them the better chance they have of buying for promotion. For most relegated clubs the extra money for buying won't have an effect until year two, the year after they have got rid of their high earners and cut some of their debts, don't forget, when they move a high earner off the books, they also get a transfer fee for him.
Vegas, the parachute payments are for the following four years after relegation from the prem, unless of course the recipient manages to gain promotion within that time hence it could be up to a maximum of twelve clubs receiving it.At the moment there are eight clubs in our division these are Wigan, Reading, Qpr, Bolton, Blackburn, Birmingham, Blackpool, and Burnley.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him[/p][/quote]Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?[/p][/quote]They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.[/p][/quote]Three clubs got relegated last year, so three on parachute payments for three years. This year there will be another three and three more next year, there are always nine clubs in our division in receipt of payments, that's what we have to contend with. It's true to say that in the first year these clubs do have to cover some big wage packets but the sooner they remove them the better chance they have of buying for promotion. For most relegated clubs the extra money for buying won't have an effect until year two, the year after they have got rid of their high earners and cut some of their debts, don't forget, when they move a high earner off the books, they also get a transfer fee for him.[/p][/quote]Vegas, the parachute payments are for the following four years after relegation from the prem, unless of course the recipient manages to gain promotion within that time hence it could be up to a maximum of twelve clubs receiving it.At the moment there are eight clubs in our division these are Wigan, Reading, Qpr, Bolton, Blackburn, Birmingham, Blackpool, and Burnley. golddene
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

golddene wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
golddene wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him
Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?
They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.
Three clubs got relegated last year, so three on parachute payments for three years. This year there will be another three and three more next year, there are always nine clubs in our division in receipt of payments, that's what we have to contend with. It's true to say that in the first year these clubs do have to cover some big wage packets but the sooner they remove them the better chance they have of buying for promotion. For most relegated clubs the extra money for buying won't have an effect until year two, the year after they have got rid of their high earners and cut some of their debts, don't forget, when they move a high earner off the books, they also get a transfer fee for him.
Vegas, the parachute payments are for the following four years after relegation from the prem, unless of course the recipient manages to gain promotion within that time hence it could be up to a maximum of twelve clubs receiving it.At the moment there are eight clubs in our division these are Wigan, Reading, Qpr, Bolton, Blackburn, Birmingham, Blackpool, and Burnley.
Thanks for correcting me, I thought the payments only ran for three years. When I said 9 teams getting payments, and based on my 3 for 3 years, I was of course thinking of a maximum number, but I omitted to state that.
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: This guy's record is a actually pretty good. He has played nearly all of his football at premiership and championship level and has always been in demand by clubs at those levels. He can play at CB and RB and even has an eye for goal. He's also a regular for Northern Ireland. Cash strapped albion could do worse than take a short term punt on him[/p][/quote]Cash strapped ? How is that? Also accountants can show a loss from a very successful company .. If we are cash strapped how are Burnley doing it?[/p][/quote]They are currently recipients of parachute payments Mark, this is their final year which explains somewhat their pressing need to gain another promotion to maintain their status as a successful club surviving on such small gate receipts.[/p][/quote]Three clubs got relegated last year, so three on parachute payments for three years. This year there will be another three and three more next year, there are always nine clubs in our division in receipt of payments, that's what we have to contend with. It's true to say that in the first year these clubs do have to cover some big wage packets but the sooner they remove them the better chance they have of buying for promotion. For most relegated clubs the extra money for buying won't have an effect until year two, the year after they have got rid of their high earners and cut some of their debts, don't forget, when they move a high earner off the books, they also get a transfer fee for him.[/p][/quote]Vegas, the parachute payments are for the following four years after relegation from the prem, unless of course the recipient manages to gain promotion within that time hence it could be up to a maximum of twelve clubs receiving it.At the moment there are eight clubs in our division these are Wigan, Reading, Qpr, Bolton, Blackburn, Birmingham, Blackpool, and Burnley.[/p][/quote]Thanks for correcting me, I thought the payments only ran for three years. When I said 9 teams getting payments, and based on my 3 for 3 years, I was of course thinking of a maximum number, but I omitted to state that. VegasSeagull
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