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Albion forced into frantic finale to January transfer window

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ALBION have been forced into a frantic finale to the January transfer window after missing out on another target.

Versatile Irishman Shaun Williams has chosen Championship rivals Millwall rather than the Seagulls.

The 27-year-old, who can play in the centre of defence or midfield, has a medical today ahead of completing a £250,000 move to Ian Holloway's strugglers from League One side MK Dons.

Albion held talks with Williams on Saturday morning but Millwall had already laid their cards on the negotiating table and his mind was virtually made up.

The prospect of regular first team football is thought to have played a major part in Williams' decision, which was revealed by The Argus website on Saturday night.

It is the second time Albion have lost out on a target to a team in the bottom half of the Championship.

Lewis Grabban opted to re-sign for Bournemouth. He was top of the Seagulls' list to replace striker Ashley Barnes, who was sold to tomorrow night's hosts Burnley.

Albion need replacements for Barnes, Adam El-Abd following his move to Bristol City and the injured Andree Crofts to restore the status quo - notwithstanding the still lurking danger of losing Liam Bridcutt and Will Buckley to the Premier League.

Albion assistant Nathan Jones told The Argus: "I am expecting some activity and we'll be working hard in lots of ways in terms of the squad, keeping the quality and making sure that come Friday Brighton has a squad capable of challenging for promotion this year and also in the Cup."

Albion have dropped a place to eighth in the Championship after Ipswich edged above them on goal difference with a 2-0 home win over Reading.

They have been staying at the FA’s national football centre at St George’s Park in Burton since Friday to reduce travelling ahead of tomorrow night's trip to East Lancashire.

The FA Cup win at Port Vale means Albion will now face another midweek haul to Lancashire to face Burnley's neighbours Blackburn Rovers. The scheduled visit to Rovers on February 15 clashes with the fifth round.

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5:18am Mon 27 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

The loss of this guy to millwall reminds me of Greer coming to us for £250k no one is guaranteed of first team football, who did he chat to Saturday morning?
My wish for list is wick ham from Sunderland, and frimpong from arsenal, maybe a loan or two as well.
We need to stay injury free now as squad is bare bones.
The loss of this guy to millwall reminds me of Greer coming to us for £250k no one is guaranteed of first team football, who did he chat to Saturday morning? My wish for list is wick ham from Sunderland, and frimpong from arsenal, maybe a loan or two as well. We need to stay injury free now as squad is bare bones. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

5:23am Mon 27 Jan 14

mark by the sea says...

Add Murray to that!
Add Murray to that! mark by the sea
  • Score: -13

6:20am Mon 27 Jan 14

Gazza by the sea says...

I'll take frantic - hoping for a lively week....
I'll take frantic - hoping for a lively week.... Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 5

6:40am Mon 27 Jan 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Mr.Naylor-Ian Holloway is manager of Millwall not MKDons.Also the beginning of the article led anyone to think we lost out on a third transfer target.This news is old news from last week!
Mr.Naylor-Ian Holloway is manager of Millwall not MKDons.Also the beginning of the article led anyone to think we lost out on a third transfer target.This news is old news from last week! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: -3

7:00am Mon 27 Jan 14

albionbloke says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Mr.Naylor-Ian Holloway is manager of Millwall not MKDons.Also the beginning of the article led anyone to think we lost out on a third transfer target.This news is old news from last week!
Read it again!'
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: Mr.Naylor-Ian Holloway is manager of Millwall not MKDons.Also the beginning of the article led anyone to think we lost out on a third transfer target.This news is old news from last week![/p][/quote]Read it again!' albionbloke
  • Score: 5

7:00am Mon 27 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...

Add Murray to that!

No thanks.
mark by the sea says... Add Murray to that! No thanks. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 13

7:23am Mon 27 Jan 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Why on earth are we going to run around like headless chickens searching for yet more mediochre replacements... Go with what we've got - put some faith in our DS. I see Nathan Jones has found his voice again. Whose script is he reading...? I cannot see the patience of OG extending much beyond the end of this season unless serious changes are made behind the scenes...!!!
Why on earth are we going to run around like headless chickens searching for yet more mediochre replacements... Go with what we've got - put some faith in our DS. I see Nathan Jones has found his voice again. Whose script is he reading...? I cannot see the patience of OG extending much beyond the end of this season unless serious changes are made behind the scenes...!!! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 8

7:32am Mon 27 Jan 14

bbb1969 says...

Not sure we need anyone now.

We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions.
We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm.
We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts.
We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered.
We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa.

Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are.
For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.
Not sure we need anyone now. We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions. We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm. We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts. We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered. We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa. Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are. For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to. bbb1969
  • Score: 25

7:36am Mon 27 Jan 14

Hugothepug says...

Matty Fryatt please! However a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend said its likely to be Wickham coming this way at part of the deal that takes Bridcutt to them! Not beyond the realms of reality I suppose.

Who would take that?
Would you want some dough as well?
How much?
Matty Fryatt please! However a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend said its likely to be Wickham coming this way at part of the deal that takes Bridcutt to them! Not beyond the realms of reality I suppose. Who would take that? Would you want some dough as well? How much? Hugothepug
  • Score: 8

7:40am Mon 27 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Add Murray to that!
Oh crikey!

Lets hope people inside the club aren't getting as desperate as this! We managed to offload him once, we don't want him back!!!

Just a real good number 10 will do us.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Add Murray to that![/p][/quote]Oh crikey! Lets hope people inside the club aren't getting as desperate as this! We managed to offload him once, we don't want him back!!! Just a real good number 10 will do us. WestStander17
  • Score: 6

7:46am Mon 27 Jan 14

WestStander17 says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Not sure we need anyone now.

We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions.
We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm.
We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts.
We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered.
We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa.

Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are.
For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.
I tend to agree. The fact we are 8th having had all these injuries shows our squad is pretty good.

The only player I'd want us to spend out on is a really good creative midfielder but they might not be readily available.
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Not sure we need anyone now. We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions. We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm. We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts. We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered. We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa. Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are. For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree. The fact we are 8th having had all these injuries shows our squad is pretty good. The only player I'd want us to spend out on is a really good creative midfielder but they might not be readily available. WestStander17
  • Score: 5

8:24am Mon 27 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

An article that's intended to set the alarm bells ringing and stoke up the run-in to the end of January.
Albion's activity will be little different to most clubs doing business in the window because history dictates most of it is done at the last minute. So to for us fans to believe we're lagging behind is wrong.
I was told recently that the reason most clubs wait is that the chain reaction a transfer can cause, sometimes means teams they're in direct competition with in the league, get their targets too. So some clubs leave it very late to try and make it impossible for fellow promotion chasers or relegation fighters to do the business they want. (I'm not suggesting its the ONLY reason, but its definitely a view)
So we're not in a different position to most other clubs and the obvious follow-up for us fans, of criticising the 'suits' as a consequence, would, in my opinion, be unfair.
An article that's intended to set the alarm bells ringing and stoke up the run-in to the end of January. Albion's activity will be little different to most clubs doing business in the window because history dictates most of it is done at the last minute. So to for us fans to believe we're lagging behind is wrong. I was told recently that the reason most clubs wait is that the chain reaction a transfer can cause, sometimes means teams they're in direct competition with in the league, get their targets too. So some clubs leave it very late to try and make it impossible for fellow promotion chasers or relegation fighters to do the business they want. (I'm not suggesting its the ONLY reason, but its definitely a view) So we're not in a different position to most other clubs and the obvious follow-up for us fans, of criticising the 'suits' as a consequence, would, in my opinion, be unfair. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

8:30am Mon 27 Jan 14

Wrapson Family says...

Many good comments on here. It is true that we have strikers returning and a depth in the squad.
However we need some experience to help us climb into the play off positions.
Wickham as part of the Bridcutt deal will be a positive.
Some experience in midfield would be welcome.
CBs can wait until summer
UTA
Many good comments on here. It is true that we have strikers returning and a depth in the squad. However we need some experience to help us climb into the play off positions. Wickham as part of the Bridcutt deal will be a positive. Some experience in midfield would be welcome. CBs can wait until summer UTA Wrapson Family
  • Score: 8

8:51am Mon 27 Jan 14

AlanDuffy says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Not sure we need anyone now.

We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions.
We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm.
We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts.
We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered.
We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa.

Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are.
For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.
Totally agree - I think we'll get Conway back, as Lua Lua and Buckley ( if he stays ) are both injury prone, but otherwise this is a great opportunity to let some of the younger players show what they can do and gain some experience. Why have a development squad if you don't use the players? Personally I wouldn't be too disappointed if we missed out on promotion as I think we need at least one more year in the Championship to build and consolidate, to get our injured players back.I think Oscar is doing a great job with the players at his disposal and don't understand why so many seem to have a problem with Nathan doing the press - it gives Oscar more time to work with the players. Last Summer was a disaster with uncertainty, no manager, and the disappointment of missing out, but this year will be different and I think the future looks good - a little patience required. We'll get there.
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Not sure we need anyone now. We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions. We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm. We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts. We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered. We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa. Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are. For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I think we'll get Conway back, as Lua Lua and Buckley ( if he stays ) are both injury prone, but otherwise this is a great opportunity to let some of the younger players show what they can do and gain some experience. Why have a development squad if you don't use the players? Personally I wouldn't be too disappointed if we missed out on promotion as I think we need at least one more year in the Championship to build and consolidate, to get our injured players back.I think Oscar is doing a great job with the players at his disposal and don't understand why so many seem to have a problem with Nathan doing the press - it gives Oscar more time to work with the players. Last Summer was a disaster with uncertainty, no manager, and the disappointment of missing out, but this year will be different and I think the future looks good - a little patience required. We'll get there. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 23

8:58am Mon 27 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Wrapson Family wrote:
Many good comments on here. It is true that we have strikers returning and a depth in the squad.
However we need some experience to help us climb into the play off positions.
Wickham as part of the Bridcutt deal will be a positive.
Some experience in midfield would be welcome.
CBs can wait until summer
UTA
a small point on your decent point on experience. Conor Wickham is only 20.
[quote][p][bold]Wrapson Family[/bold] wrote: Many good comments on here. It is true that we have strikers returning and a depth in the squad. However we need some experience to help us climb into the play off positions. Wickham as part of the Bridcutt deal will be a positive. Some experience in midfield would be welcome. CBs can wait until summer UTA[/p][/quote]a small point on your decent point on experience. Conor Wickham is only 20. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

9:06am Mon 27 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Not sure we need anyone now.

We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions.
We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm.
We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts.
We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered.
We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa.

Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are.
For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.
We could manage, but not replacing Crofts and Barnes is going to hurt our chances of promotion.
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Not sure we need anyone now. We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions. We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm. We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts. We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered. We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa. Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are. For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.[/p][/quote]We could manage, but not replacing Crofts and Barnes is going to hurt our chances of promotion. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

9:08am Mon 27 Jan 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Our situation would be so much worse if we didn't have a manager who was not only prepared to bring Ince and JFK through to the first team, but also make a success of it. And I'm confident he could do the same with March and Dunk (again) and this removes a lot of pressure from the situation. We do need a Barnes type replacement - someone who can either take the attacking midfield role of Crofts or stand in for Ulloa. But apart from that I think we're covered. If other players leave then of course things can change, but it's great to be in a position where if a player gets injured you can actually look forward to someone from the DS having a crack.
Our situation would be so much worse if we didn't have a manager who was not only prepared to bring Ince and JFK through to the first team, but also make a success of it. And I'm confident he could do the same with March and Dunk (again) and this removes a lot of pressure from the situation. We do need a Barnes type replacement - someone who can either take the attacking midfield role of Crofts or stand in for Ulloa. But apart from that I think we're covered. If other players leave then of course things can change, but it's great to be in a position where if a player gets injured you can actually look forward to someone from the DS having a crack. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 1

9:27am Mon 27 Jan 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The loss of this guy to millwall reminds me of Greer coming to us for £250k no one is guaranteed of first team football, who did he chat to Saturday morning?
My wish for list is wick ham from Sunderland, and frimpong from arsenal, maybe a loan or two as well.
We need to stay injury free now as squad is bare bones.
You want Wickham, yet berated the club for trying to get Grabban on the basis that CMS was due back soon (despite all your previous claims he would not be fit this month/season/ever).

Frimpong has a massive attitude problem - I'm not sure we'd want to risk the excellent dressing room unity.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The loss of this guy to millwall reminds me of Greer coming to us for £250k no one is guaranteed of first team football, who did he chat to Saturday morning? My wish for list is wick ham from Sunderland, and frimpong from arsenal, maybe a loan or two as well. We need to stay injury free now as squad is bare bones.[/p][/quote]You want Wickham, yet berated the club for trying to get Grabban on the basis that CMS was due back soon (despite all your previous claims he would not be fit this month/season/ever). Frimpong has a massive attitude problem - I'm not sure we'd want to risk the excellent dressing room unity. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

9:31am Mon 27 Jan 14

Baldseagull says...

If Sunderland can't, or won't meet Albions valuation on Bridcutt, could we see a loan swap of Bridcutt and Wickham? Could be a good deal for everyone, although Liam would not get the jump in wages that a contract would net him immediately. He gets the chance to show he can cut it in the Prem without being tied to a club that has a good chance of going down, we get Wickham and don't get stuck with an unhappy Bridcutt, Poyet gets his defensive midfielder without tying his club into a contract that could add to the financial burden if they go down, and Wickham gets more game experience in the championship.
Try before you buy.
It would likely prove Liam to be worth a lot more than the £2.5M offered so far, and that would be the risk for Sunderland, the price we want would almost certainly go up, and they may then also face competition for his signature.
If Sunderland can't, or won't meet Albions valuation on Bridcutt, could we see a loan swap of Bridcutt and Wickham? Could be a good deal for everyone, although Liam would not get the jump in wages that a contract would net him immediately. He gets the chance to show he can cut it in the Prem without being tied to a club that has a good chance of going down, we get Wickham and don't get stuck with an unhappy Bridcutt, Poyet gets his defensive midfielder without tying his club into a contract that could add to the financial burden if they go down, and Wickham gets more game experience in the championship. Try before you buy. It would likely prove Liam to be worth a lot more than the £2.5M offered so far, and that would be the risk for Sunderland, the price we want would almost certainly go up, and they may then also face competition for his signature. Baldseagull
  • Score: 2

9:36am Mon 27 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
Our situation would be so much worse if we didn't have a manager who was not only prepared to bring Ince and JFK through to the first team, but also make a success of it. And I'm confident he could do the same with March and Dunk (again) and this removes a lot of pressure from the situation. We do need a Barnes type replacement - someone who can either take the attacking midfield role of Crofts or stand in for Ulloa. But apart from that I think we're covered. If other players leave then of course things can change, but it's great to be in a position where if a player gets injured you can actually look forward to someone from the DS having a crack.
I don't think It's a case of being 'lucky' that Oscar operates in the way you suggest. I'm sure is a very definite part of the club's overall long-term plan to establish some balance between external signings and internal development. So I'd suggest that it's precisely BECAUSE Oscar is doing what he's doing that we're approaching squad management in the way we are.
It's one of the reasons I'm personally comfortable. I'd much sooner wait and then have a decent chance of surviving in the Prem, than chuck money at it with superficial improvements and end up forever chasing more.
I'm sure we'll sign at least one before Friday, but if not, I'll be happy with a solid season of consolidation and ongoing experience for a group of kids who promise a great deal without being over stretched - and get there when we're properly ready.
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: Our situation would be so much worse if we didn't have a manager who was not only prepared to bring Ince and JFK through to the first team, but also make a success of it. And I'm confident he could do the same with March and Dunk (again) and this removes a lot of pressure from the situation. We do need a Barnes type replacement - someone who can either take the attacking midfield role of Crofts or stand in for Ulloa. But apart from that I think we're covered. If other players leave then of course things can change, but it's great to be in a position where if a player gets injured you can actually look forward to someone from the DS having a crack.[/p][/quote]I don't think It's a case of being 'lucky' that Oscar operates in the way you suggest. I'm sure is a very definite part of the club's overall long-term plan to establish some balance between external signings and internal development. So I'd suggest that it's precisely BECAUSE Oscar is doing what he's doing that we're approaching squad management in the way we are. It's one of the reasons I'm personally comfortable. I'd much sooner wait and then have a decent chance of surviving in the Prem, than chuck money at it with superficial improvements and end up forever chasing more. I'm sure we'll sign at least one before Friday, but if not, I'll be happy with a solid season of consolidation and ongoing experience for a group of kids who promise a great deal without being over stretched - and get there when we're properly ready. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

9:45am Mon 27 Jan 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Baldseagull wrote:
If Sunderland can't, or won't meet Albions valuation on Bridcutt, could we see a loan swap of Bridcutt and Wickham? Could be a good deal for everyone, although Liam would not get the jump in wages that a contract would net him immediately. He gets the chance to show he can cut it in the Prem without being tied to a club that has a good chance of going down, we get Wickham and don't get stuck with an unhappy Bridcutt, Poyet gets his defensive midfielder without tying his club into a contract that could add to the financial burden if they go down, and Wickham gets more game experience in the championship.
Try before you buy.
It would likely prove Liam to be worth a lot more than the £2.5M offered so far, and that would be the risk for Sunderland, the price we want would almost certainly go up, and they may then also face competition for his signature.
Why all this excitement over Connor Wickham?
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: If Sunderland can't, or won't meet Albions valuation on Bridcutt, could we see a loan swap of Bridcutt and Wickham? Could be a good deal for everyone, although Liam would not get the jump in wages that a contract would net him immediately. He gets the chance to show he can cut it in the Prem without being tied to a club that has a good chance of going down, we get Wickham and don't get stuck with an unhappy Bridcutt, Poyet gets his defensive midfielder without tying his club into a contract that could add to the financial burden if they go down, and Wickham gets more game experience in the championship. Try before you buy. It would likely prove Liam to be worth a lot more than the £2.5M offered so far, and that would be the risk for Sunderland, the price we want would almost certainly go up, and they may then also face competition for his signature.[/p][/quote]Why all this excitement over Connor Wickham? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

10:24am Mon 27 Jan 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

AlanDuffy says...


bbb1969 wrote:
Not sure we need anyone now.

We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions.
We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm.
We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts.
We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered.
We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa.

Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are.
For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to.
Totally agree - I think we'll get Conway back, as Lua Lua and Buckley ( if he stays ) are both injury prone, but otherwise this is a great opportunity to let some of the younger players show what they can do and gain some experience. Why have a development squad if you don't use the players? Personally I wouldn't be too disappointed if we missed out on promotion as I think we need at least one more year in the Championship to build and consolidate, to get our injured players back.I think Oscar is doing a great job with the players at his disposal and don't understand why so many seem to have a problem with Nathan doing the press - it gives Oscar more time to work with the players. Last Summer was a disaster with uncertainty, no manager, and the disappointment of missing out, but this year will be different and I think the future looks good - a little patience required. We'll get there.

Spot on. OG is not an extrovert kind of a guy. Nothing wrong with that. He seems happiest working with the players - PR stuff just isn't his thing. Leave to the more extrovert Jones.
AlanDuffy says... bbb1969 wrote: Not sure we need anyone now. We have. Dunk Upson Greer for the 2 cb positions. We have Ince and Andrews that play cdm. We have JFC Orlandi and Augustien who can playmf for Crofts. We have March Lua Lua Lopez and Buckley who play on the wing. If we lost Buckley or Lua lya and Buckers remain injury prone then get Conway in or give Monokana a chance. Lb and Rb we are covered. We have Ulloa and Obika as forwards with 2 more forwards to return. You never know we may then play with 1 winger and have a forward playing off Ulloa. Summer will be the time to extend contracts; bring in new players dependin on where we are. For me we are well covered and should not buy or loan now. In feb we can get 1 or 2 thre month loan deals if we need to. Totally agree - I think we'll get Conway back, as Lua Lua and Buckley ( if he stays ) are both injury prone, but otherwise this is a great opportunity to let some of the younger players show what they can do and gain some experience. Why have a development squad if you don't use the players? Personally I wouldn't be too disappointed if we missed out on promotion as I think we need at least one more year in the Championship to build and consolidate, to get our injured players back.I think Oscar is doing a great job with the players at his disposal and don't understand why so many seem to have a problem with Nathan doing the press - it gives Oscar more time to work with the players. Last Summer was a disaster with uncertainty, no manager, and the disappointment of missing out, but this year will be different and I think the future looks good - a little patience required. We'll get there. Spot on. OG is not an extrovert kind of a guy. Nothing wrong with that. He seems happiest working with the players - PR stuff just isn't his thing. Leave to the more extrovert Jones. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 0

10:26am Mon 27 Jan 14

OldGull says...

The present situation is a great opportunity to continue with the DS lads.
The experience they gain this season will help us for a concerted promotion push next season.
With the unfortunate loss of Crofts, an extended run in the team for Agustien may be the answer.
It is not essential to get promoted this year, Yes another play off attempt would be good, but another season and the youngsters may prove themselves premier league ready.
CMS returns to action this week so may be ready for the bench by late Feb. Then the loss of Barnes will not be a problem
We are still on target for the 5 year plan.
UTA
The present situation is a great opportunity to continue with the DS lads. The experience they gain this season will help us for a concerted promotion push next season. With the unfortunate loss of Crofts, an extended run in the team for Agustien may be the answer. It is not essential to get promoted this year, Yes another play off attempt would be good, but another season and the youngsters may prove themselves premier league ready. CMS returns to action this week so may be ready for the bench by late Feb. Then the loss of Barnes will not be a problem We are still on target for the 5 year plan. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 6

10:50am Mon 27 Jan 14

mikeygit says...

Much of what we write on here is pure speculation---not helped by Argus headlines-¨FRANTIC FINALE´as if we are desperate to get someone. As many have posted we seem to be doing OK as we are and it is giving some of our younger more inexperienced players time to shine--which some are!! Much of this Argus piece is repeated news anyway--I do despair sometimes at why they have to do this. My view--and I guess that of many others---is that we are consolidating this season. No real prospect of going up and staying there. Maybe seeing how FFP rules pan out and see how we can build on next season. The only area I see of a concern, if we show no real signs of having quality players that will take us up to the PL will the season tickets sales falter?? That is income we desperately need,, along with any other income to help balance the books---forget the money we owe on the stadium or the new training facilities---these are long term loans. I do not believe we are over 100m in debt as someone quoted. The FA are more concerned at the day to day running, wages, admin, running costs , transfers against what income and sponsorship we can generate, and to get that looking better we need quality players that can get us where we want to be in the next two years---and we will I believe.
Much of what we write on here is pure speculation---not helped by Argus headlines-¨FRANTIC FINALE´as if we are desperate to get someone. As many have posted we seem to be doing OK as we are and it is giving some of our younger more inexperienced players time to shine--which some are!! Much of this Argus piece is repeated news anyway--I do despair sometimes at why they have to do this. My view--and I guess that of many others---is that we are consolidating this season. No real prospect of going up and staying there. Maybe seeing how FFP rules pan out and see how we can build on next season. The only area I see of a concern, if we show no real signs of having quality players that will take us up to the PL will the season tickets sales falter?? That is income we desperately need,, along with any other income to help balance the books---forget the money we owe on the stadium or the new training facilities---these are long term loans. I do not believe we are over 100m in debt as someone quoted. The FA are more concerned at the day to day running, wages, admin, running costs , transfers against what income and sponsorship we can generate, and to get that looking better we need quality players that can get us where we want to be in the next two years---and we will I believe. mikeygit
  • Score: 1

10:52am Mon 27 Jan 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
Our situation would be so much worse if we didn't have a manager who was not only prepared to bring Ince and JFK through to the first team, but also make a success of it. And I'm confident he could do the same with March and Dunk (again) and this removes a lot of pressure from the situation. We do need a Barnes type replacement - someone who can either take the attacking midfield role of Crofts or stand in for Ulloa. But apart from that I think we're covered. If other players leave then of course things can change, but it's great to be in a position where if a player gets injured you can actually look forward to someone from the DS having a crack.
I don't think It's a case of being 'lucky' that Oscar operates in the way you suggest. I'm sure is a very definite part of the club's overall long-term plan to establish some balance between external signings and internal development. So I'd suggest that it's precisely BECAUSE Oscar is doing what he's doing that we're approaching squad management in the way we are.
It's one of the reasons I'm personally comfortable. I'd much sooner wait and then have a decent chance of surviving in the Prem, than chuck money at it with superficial improvements and end up forever chasing more.
I'm sure we'll sign at least one before Friday, but if not, I'll be happy with a solid season of consolidation and ongoing experience for a group of kids who promise a great deal without being over stretched - and get there when we're properly ready.
I wasn't suggesting it was luck at all. I was suggesting it was because of Oscar, but you make a good point that it is a general shift in strategy rather than being just down to the coach alone. Palace have got themselves into problems by having to rely entirely on bringing people in when they went up last season, and now Pullis is crying out for more. We want to avoid getting into that situation if we go up.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: Our situation would be so much worse if we didn't have a manager who was not only prepared to bring Ince and JFK through to the first team, but also make a success of it. And I'm confident he could do the same with March and Dunk (again) and this removes a lot of pressure from the situation. We do need a Barnes type replacement - someone who can either take the attacking midfield role of Crofts or stand in for Ulloa. But apart from that I think we're covered. If other players leave then of course things can change, but it's great to be in a position where if a player gets injured you can actually look forward to someone from the DS having a crack.[/p][/quote]I don't think It's a case of being 'lucky' that Oscar operates in the way you suggest. I'm sure is a very definite part of the club's overall long-term plan to establish some balance between external signings and internal development. So I'd suggest that it's precisely BECAUSE Oscar is doing what he's doing that we're approaching squad management in the way we are. It's one of the reasons I'm personally comfortable. I'd much sooner wait and then have a decent chance of surviving in the Prem, than chuck money at it with superficial improvements and end up forever chasing more. I'm sure we'll sign at least one before Friday, but if not, I'll be happy with a solid season of consolidation and ongoing experience for a group of kids who promise a great deal without being over stretched - and get there when we're properly ready.[/p][/quote]I wasn't suggesting it was luck at all. I was suggesting it was because of Oscar, but you make a good point that it is a general shift in strategy rather than being just down to the coach alone. Palace have got themselves into problems by having to rely entirely on bringing people in when they went up last season, and now Pullis is crying out for more. We want to avoid getting into that situation if we go up. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 0

10:58am Mon 27 Jan 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Hugothepug wrote:
Matty Fryatt please! However a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend said its likely to be Wickham coming this way at part of the deal that takes Bridcutt to them! Not beyond the realms of reality I suppose.

Who would take that?
Would you want some dough as well?
How much?
The Wickham deal would be logical only if Ulloa went north. The combined deal with Ulloa and Bridcutt must be Conner Wickham plus £5M as a minimum.
[quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: Matty Fryatt please! However a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend said its likely to be Wickham coming this way at part of the deal that takes Bridcutt to them! Not beyond the realms of reality I suppose. Who would take that? Would you want some dough as well? How much?[/p][/quote]The Wickham deal would be logical only if Ulloa went north. The combined deal with Ulloa and Bridcutt must be Conner Wickham plus £5M as a minimum. Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: -1

11:22am Mon 27 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

OldGull wrote:
The present situation is a great opportunity to continue with the DS lads.
The experience they gain this season will help us for a concerted promotion push next season.
With the unfortunate loss of Crofts, an extended run in the team for Agustien may be the answer.
It is not essential to get promoted this year, Yes another play off attempt would be good, but another season and the youngsters may prove themselves premier league ready.
CMS returns to action this week so may be ready for the bench by late Feb. Then the loss of Barnes will not be a problem
We are still on target for the 5 year plan.
UTA
So we have a five year plan,lets not worry about getting into the play offs.Look we need to push on now with the position we are in and make sure we do our damnedest to get promotion now.Five years can turn into ten years and sometimes never comes.We have to make the best of our chance and get in some players to push on.If we get promotion we will have money to consolidate.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: The present situation is a great opportunity to continue with the DS lads. The experience they gain this season will help us for a concerted promotion push next season. With the unfortunate loss of Crofts, an extended run in the team for Agustien may be the answer. It is not essential to get promoted this year, Yes another play off attempt would be good, but another season and the youngsters may prove themselves premier league ready. CMS returns to action this week so may be ready for the bench by late Feb. Then the loss of Barnes will not be a problem We are still on target for the 5 year plan. UTA[/p][/quote]So we have a five year plan,lets not worry about getting into the play offs.Look we need to push on now with the position we are in and make sure we do our damnedest to get promotion now.Five years can turn into ten years and sometimes never comes.We have to make the best of our chance and get in some players to push on.If we get promotion we will have money to consolidate. pjwilk
  • Score: 2

11:35am Mon 27 Jan 14

Gardenboy says...

My guess is that Bridcutt and Ulloa will be gone by the end of the week, and we'll not manage any major signings ;o("
However, that will be a great opportunity for Solly, Lewis and the new boys to really prove their worth!
My guess is that Bridcutt and Ulloa will be gone by the end of the week, and we'll not manage any major signings ;o(" However, that will be a great opportunity for Solly, Lewis and the new boys to really prove their worth! Gardenboy
  • Score: -12

12:27pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Hector66 says...

Bridcutt is an outstanding player and we shouldn't underestimate his loss, imo. We have done well without for much of the season but we would have done much better with him.
Bridcutt is an outstanding player and we shouldn't underestimate his loss, imo. We have done well without for much of the season but we would have done much better with him. Hector66
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Mon 27 Jan 14

VegasSeagull says...

'if,' we were not to see a last minute spending spree by the club, maybe just one decent player to replace Crofts, I would still like to think that we would finish in the top ten places.
There are some massive advantages to, 'not,' spending at this time, not least of which is the fact that we do have these young guns gaining time on the pitch. Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, four players that can only serve us better next year as a result of playing time this year. Hoskins gets back on the pitch and we have another. The choice is clear, we either spend now and look for promotion this year or, we continue to build from within, at a zero cash cost to the club, but accept that this squad might not make the playoffs.

Buy of borrow to replace Crofts, for me a must. Pick up a young lad to play the role of fourth option CB, not a must but something I would like. After those two have been sorted, I could live with a top ten finish as the trade off would be very beneficial for nest season. Bridcutt going does not figure in my thinking as to me, he has been gone for some weeks now.
'if,' we were not to see a last minute spending spree by the club, maybe just one decent player to replace Crofts, I would still like to think that we would finish in the top ten places. There are some massive advantages to, 'not,' spending at this time, not least of which is the fact that we do have these young guns gaining time on the pitch. Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, four players that can only serve us better next year as a result of playing time this year. Hoskins gets back on the pitch and we have another. The choice is clear, we either spend now and look for promotion this year or, we continue to build from within, at a zero cash cost to the club, but accept that this squad might not make the playoffs. Buy of borrow to replace Crofts, for me a must. Pick up a young lad to play the role of fourth option CB, not a must but something I would like. After those two have been sorted, I could live with a top ten finish as the trade off would be very beneficial for nest season. Bridcutt going does not figure in my thinking as to me, he has been gone for some weeks now. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:23pm Mon 27 Jan 14

seagull176 says...

Like all club's at this time of year we try to get the best deals for our players/ club, sometime we get luck some times we don't.
Just an thought why don't we concentrate on trying to win the cup with the way the big teams are falling we could stand a chance? then we could get a couple of top players because we would be in Europe and that's what big players are looking for?
Concentrating on the league at the moment is a lottery with the teams above us? best chance for us is play-off and we all know what happen last year? heartache for fans, players, and club.
Like all club's at this time of year we try to get the best deals for our players/ club, sometime we get luck some times we don't. Just an thought why don't we concentrate on trying to win the cup with the way the big teams are falling we could stand a chance? then we could get a couple of top players because we would be in Europe and that's what big players are looking for? Concentrating on the league at the moment is a lottery with the teams above us? best chance for us is play-off and we all know what happen last year? heartache for fans, players, and club. seagull176
  • Score: -1

4:56pm Mon 27 Jan 14

mickagull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Add Murray to that!
Oh crikey!

Lets hope people inside the club aren't getting as desperate as this! We managed to offload him once, we don't want him back!!!

Just a real good number 10 will do us.
I would take Murray back tomorrow, he is a classy front man for someone to play off and can score goal, the thing we need.
There was more to him leaving than just money, I think another class act (Vicente) left for the same reason, Gus's ego. Sorry if you don't agree.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Add Murray to that![/p][/quote]Oh crikey! Lets hope people inside the club aren't getting as desperate as this! We managed to offload him once, we don't want him back!!! Just a real good number 10 will do us.[/p][/quote]I would take Murray back tomorrow, he is a classy front man for someone to play off and can score goal, the thing we need. There was more to him leaving than just money, I think another class act (Vicente) left for the same reason, Gus's ego. Sorry if you don't agree. mickagull
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Mon 27 Jan 14

tinker111 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
'if,' we were not to see a last minute spending spree by the club, maybe just one decent player to replace Crofts, I would still like to think that we would finish in the top ten places.
There are some massive advantages to, 'not,' spending at this time, not least of which is the fact that we do have these young guns gaining time on the pitch. Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, four players that can only serve us better next year as a result of playing time this year. Hoskins gets back on the pitch and we have another. The choice is clear, we either spend now and look for promotion this year or, we continue to build from within, at a zero cash cost to the club, but accept that this squad might not make the playoffs.

Buy of borrow to replace Crofts, for me a must. Pick up a young lad to play the role of fourth option CB, not a must but something I would like. After those two have been sorted, I could live with a top ten finish as the trade off would be very beneficial for nest season. Bridcutt going does not figure in my thinking as to me, he has been gone for some weeks now.
Truly think we will finish in top TEN with players we have no need for loan imports or last min bad buys ,This club is geared for that slot as they know that prem THEY CANNOT COMPETE and getting beat bad week in & OUT would see fans go..
ALL ON HERE LIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE GOT COS SO MUCH BETTER THAN BAD OLD DAYS
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: 'if,' we were not to see a last minute spending spree by the club, maybe just one decent player to replace Crofts, I would still like to think that we would finish in the top ten places. There are some massive advantages to, 'not,' spending at this time, not least of which is the fact that we do have these young guns gaining time on the pitch. Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, four players that can only serve us better next year as a result of playing time this year. Hoskins gets back on the pitch and we have another. The choice is clear, we either spend now and look for promotion this year or, we continue to build from within, at a zero cash cost to the club, but accept that this squad might not make the playoffs. Buy of borrow to replace Crofts, for me a must. Pick up a young lad to play the role of fourth option CB, not a must but something I would like. After those two have been sorted, I could live with a top ten finish as the trade off would be very beneficial for nest season. Bridcutt going does not figure in my thinking as to me, he has been gone for some weeks now.[/p][/quote]Truly think we will finish in top TEN with players we have no need for loan imports or last min bad buys ,This club is geared for that slot as they know that prem THEY CANNOT COMPETE and getting beat bad week in & OUT would see fans go.. ALL ON HERE LIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE GOT COS SO MUCH BETTER THAN BAD OLD DAYS tinker111
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Mon 27 Jan 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

Much of the discussion on this site during the transfer window has been about the lack of ambition shown by senior management, when the club will be ready for the premiership, the importance of financial stability, excellent facilities and FFP. Lost in this discussion is players’ ambition, to both play in premiership and enjoy the benefits that for even one season could be worth five years of championship wages. Footballers are smart enough to know that players like Bridcutt and Buckley contribute to realizing their dream and lack of equally talented and ready replacements undermine it. In all walks of life, expectation and belief in the possibility of success differentiates winners and losers and committed administrators, talented coaches and fans instill it, but ultimately players have to believe it. Reading between the lines, belief and expectation of success in the near future is being gradually eroded and this is worrying trend for BHA.
Much of the discussion on this site during the transfer window has been about the lack of ambition shown by senior management, when the club will be ready for the premiership, the importance of financial stability, excellent facilities and FFP. Lost in this discussion is players’ ambition, to both play in premiership and enjoy the benefits that for even one season could be worth five years of championship wages. Footballers are smart enough to know that players like Bridcutt and Buckley contribute to realizing their dream and lack of equally talented and ready replacements undermine it. In all walks of life, expectation and belief in the possibility of success differentiates winners and losers and committed administrators, talented coaches and fans instill it, but ultimately players have to believe it. Reading between the lines, belief and expectation of success in the near future is being gradually eroded and this is worrying trend for BHA. New Jersey Seagull
  • Score: 1

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