Albion suffer on the road

Leo Ulloa is furious after his goal was ruled out for offside (photo Simon Dack)

Forestieri nips in to score Watford's second

Dale Stephens tackles

David Rodriguez shows his pace

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Albion ended their run of four successive away games in dismal style by going down 2-0 at Watford today.

Ikechi Anya’s early goal restored self-belief for a home side who had won just once in their previous 15 outings.

Fernando Forestieri added a second on the hour before Leo Ulloa had a goal ruled out for what looked a tight offside call.

Dale Stephens made his debut for the Seagulls and David Rodriguez looked to have plenty of pace after being sent on as substitute.

But it was a desperately disappointing afternoon for the Seagulls and their 1,998 fans in a crowd of 16,096.

Watford went ahead in the 13th minute when they worked an overlap down their left, Anya steamed forward from left wing-back and got in a low shot which went past Bruno, across Tomasz Kuszczak and crept inside the far post.

The Seagulls were alarmingly uneasy at the back in the first quarter of the game and would have been in more trouble had Forestieri done better than volley straight at Kuszczak when well placed.

But the Seagulls ended the half brightly and sub Kazenga LuaLua, on for the hobbling Jake Forster-Caskey, flashed a cross past Manuel Almunia and against the bar.

Watford extended their lead on the hour against the run of play when Gordon Greer was closed down just outside his own box and Forestieri ran clear to round Kuszczak and score.

Albion, who sent on new striker Rodriguez after the second goal, thought they had a lifeline on 69 minutes but Ulloa’s header from David’s free-kick was ruled out for offside.

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5:02pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Very disappointed at this result.
Why do we continue to perform against the better teams and then get rolled over by teams nearer the bottom. Frustrating.
Very disappointed at this result. Why do we continue to perform against the better teams and then get rolled over by teams nearer the bottom. Frustrating. Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

5:05pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

can't help thinking we took into the match the negativity of the transfer window - or its negative momentum (for want of a better expression) - and got the result we deserved.

bridcutt played a starring role yesterday yet couldn't feature for us in the last two or three games. seems like we could have done with him today, much more than the paltry transfer fee we received.

really bad piece of business, imo, and it's likely to haunt us.
can't help thinking we took into the match the negativity of the transfer window - or its negative momentum (for want of a better expression) - and got the result we deserved. bridcutt played a starring role yesterday yet couldn't feature for us in the last two or three games. seems like we could have done with him today, much more than the paltry transfer fee we received. really bad piece of business, imo, and it's likely to haunt us. Hector66
  • Score: 7

5:08pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Need to start more positive for sure can't see why we bought in Obika and Rodrigues if we're not playing with 2 up front, season not over yet but we need to start scoring and winning Otherwise top 6 will be to far ahead !!!

Come on OSCAR UTA
Need to start more positive for sure can't see why we bought in Obika and Rodrigues if we're not playing with 2 up front, season not over yet but we need to start scoring and winning Otherwise top 6 will be to far ahead !!! Come on OSCAR UTA Tonyuk175
  • Score: 11

5:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Tonyuk175 says...

But maybe this is why Gus Left and ment when he was on about ambition ? Have B&B done all they can or are they happy with slow progress
But maybe this is why Gus Left and ment when he was on about ambition ? Have B&B done all they can or are they happy with slow progress Tonyuk175
  • Score: 2

5:13pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SMF20 says...

Poor poor poor... That's one for each of the last 3 away games.

That was a pretty simple game to call today, as the last 2 have been.
1 point from 9 simply isn't good enough but having said that, when you set out for a draw, what do you expect.

Our home form has been poor.. What was keeping us up there was the away days... That has been found wanting too now.

Things must change... We look completely toothless, our senior players are becoming disillusioned and it's really difficult to see where the next points are coming from.

We may have dominant possession stats but that counts for nothing when that possession is in our own back third.
The shots on target stats are a little misleading too.. Yes we are shooting lots but I can count on one hand the clear cut chances we have created in the last 5 games.

I'm as big a fan as anyone here but I fear for us. We have the players (to a degree) and we have the fan base too.
What we are lacking at the moment though is a bit of direction from both the suits and the coaching staff.

The suits have to back the coaching staff and the coaching staff have to stop doing the same thing but expect a different result.. It ain't gonna happen.

Sort it out.
Poor poor poor... That's one for each of the last 3 away games. That was a pretty simple game to call today, as the last 2 have been. 1 point from 9 simply isn't good enough but having said that, when you set out for a draw, what do you expect. Our home form has been poor.. What was keeping us up there was the away days... That has been found wanting too now. Things must change... We look completely toothless, our senior players are becoming disillusioned and it's really difficult to see where the next points are coming from. We may have dominant possession stats but that counts for nothing when that possession is in our own back third. The shots on target stats are a little misleading too.. Yes we are shooting lots but I can count on one hand the clear cut chances we have created in the last 5 games. I'm as big a fan as anyone here but I fear for us. We have the players (to a degree) and we have the fan base too. What we are lacking at the moment though is a bit of direction from both the suits and the coaching staff. The suits have to back the coaching staff and the coaching staff have to stop doing the same thing but expect a different result.. It ain't gonna happen. Sort it out. SMF20
  • Score: 21

5:14pm Sun 2 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

Match stats after 30 minutes reads: Albion possession 66%- shots 1,
Watford possession 34% - shots 6.
When will we learn to play a more attacking game. We need wins not draws so we have to be positive.
What's positive about leaving Lua Lua, March, Obika & Rodriguez on the bench ?
Feeling frustrated already !!

Game over, 5 points from a possible 15 in January, and only two goals in five games.
Hopeless tactics, to be successful we have to win matches and to win matches we have to score goals. When will the realisation snap in that we need to play a more attack minded side with proper forwards on the pitch instead of them being on the bench.
Goals win games and if you dont get men into your opponents final third, then you're never going to succeed.
Wake up OG & NJ and start a match with Ulloa, March/Buckley, Lua lua as a front line. One up front doesn't work !!!!
We're becoming the most boring and negative team in the division.
Match stats after 30 minutes reads: Albion possession 66%- shots 1, Watford possession 34% - shots 6. When will we learn to play a more attacking game. We need wins not draws so we have to be positive. What's positive about leaving Lua Lua, March, Obika & Rodriguez on the bench ? Feeling frustrated already !! Game over, 5 points from a possible 15 in January, and only two goals in five games. Hopeless tactics, to be successful we have to win matches and to win matches we have to score goals. When will the realisation snap in that we need to play a more attack minded side with proper forwards on the pitch instead of them being on the bench. Goals win games and if you dont get men into your opponents final third, then you're never going to succeed. Wake up OG & NJ and start a match with Ulloa, March/Buckley, Lua lua as a front line. One up front doesn't work !!!! We're becoming the most boring and negative team in the division. fratsomrover
  • Score: 19

5:15pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Pathetic, Id rather we went for it and won 4-3 ! than this predictable negative attitude, I pay god money for three season tickets, have been out of work for a year and want to see my team at least score a goal or two. (season tickets will not be renewed with this crap). Greer should have gone not El Abd, Oscar and that useless Nathan Jones should go now, bring in an English Manager who wants to win.,and not just avoid defeat, clearly that's not working either.
Pathetic, Id rather we went for it and won 4-3 ! than this predictable negative attitude, I pay god money for three season tickets, have been out of work for a year and want to see my team at least score a goal or two. (season tickets will not be renewed with this crap). Greer should have gone not El Abd, Oscar and that useless Nathan Jones should go now, bring in an English Manager who wants to win.,and not just avoid defeat, clearly that's not working either. Steveg1958
  • Score: 7

5:16pm Sun 2 Feb 14

johnboy144 says...

Desperately disappointing performance and the result to match it. Tactics just looking too negative. Lualua should have started and just don't look like we're gonna score at the moment. Try either pace or 2 up front. I just don't understand with persisting playing David up front either. He needs to play further back as he did last season or drop him. I'm generally very positive, but need to mix it up with either the selection our the tactics cause it's not working at the moment. And what was the point in selling bridcutt at cut price?Let's get it sorted and push on!
Desperately disappointing performance and the result to match it. Tactics just looking too negative. Lualua should have started and just don't look like we're gonna score at the moment. Try either pace or 2 up front. I just don't understand with persisting playing David up front either. He needs to play further back as he did last season or drop him. I'm generally very positive, but need to mix it up with either the selection our the tactics cause it's not working at the moment. And what was the point in selling bridcutt at cut price?Let's get it sorted and push on! johnboy144
  • Score: 13

5:24pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

66%, 15 shots, 1 on target. **** poor in my opinion, something tells me that were told to keep the ball, but frightened to shoot. Are we trying to walk the ball into the net? Things dont seem to br working at present and if brighton think this is goung to br a promotion run, things need to change very soon. Watfords second goal was all done to Greer, what a joke!!
66%, 15 shots, 1 on target. **** poor in my opinion, something tells me that were told to keep the ball, but frightened to shoot. Are we trying to walk the ball into the net? Things dont seem to br working at present and if brighton think this is goung to br a promotion run, things need to change very soon. Watfords second goal was all done to Greer, what a joke!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Eddy B says...

Don't really understand why Lua Lua doesn't start more often. I wasn't at all bothered when JFC went off injured - as soon as he was replaced by Lua Lua he created a chance - he is one of the rare players in the squad who can actually unlock a defence.
Don't really understand why Lua Lua doesn't start more often. I wasn't at all bothered when JFC went off injured - as soon as he was replaced by Lua Lua he created a chance - he is one of the rare players in the squad who can actually unlock a defence. Eddy B
  • Score: 22

5:33pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I don't like picking on individuals but it looks like we sold the wrong CB in the transfer window. UTA
I don't like picking on individuals but it looks like we sold the wrong CB in the transfer window. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 11

5:34pm Sun 2 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Hector66 says...

can't help thinking we took into the match the negativity of the transfer window - or its negative momentum (for want of a better expression) - and got the result we deserved.

bridcutt played a starring role yesterday yet couldn't feature for us in the last two or three games. seems like we could have done with him today, much more than the paltry transfer fee we received.

really bad piece of business, imo, and it's likely to haunt us.

Tripe -the money we received for Bridcutt was a club record - bear in mind the player has no premiership experience. How much did you think we would get for him? Talk of £4 - million was fantasy dreamt up by supporters.. You are believing Poyet's egotistical boasting about what a fantastic deal he made. What else could you expect from him?
Hector66 says... can't help thinking we took into the match the negativity of the transfer window - or its negative momentum (for want of a better expression) - and got the result we deserved. bridcutt played a starring role yesterday yet couldn't feature for us in the last two or three games. seems like we could have done with him today, much more than the paltry transfer fee we received. really bad piece of business, imo, and it's likely to haunt us. Tripe -the money we received for Bridcutt was a club record - bear in mind the player has no premiership experience. How much did you think we would get for him? Talk of £4 - million was fantasy dreamt up by supporters.. You are believing Poyet's egotistical boasting about what a fantastic deal he made. What else could you expect from him? B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -1

5:37pm Sun 2 Feb 14

woodcroft says...

After the farce of the Transfer Window what do you expect. Gus was correct we have reached the ceiling and have no ambition
After the farce of the Transfer Window what do you expect. Gus was correct we have reached the ceiling and have no ambition woodcroft
  • Score: 5

5:40pm Sun 2 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

SMF20 wrote:
Poor poor poor... That's one for each of the last 3 away games.

That was a pretty simple game to call today, as the last 2 have been.
1 point from 9 simply isn't good enough but having said that, when you set out for a draw, what do you expect.

Our home form has been poor.. What was keeping us up there was the away days... That has been found wanting too now.

Things must change... We look completely toothless, our senior players are becoming disillusioned and it's really difficult to see where the next points are coming from.

We may have dominant possession stats but that counts for nothing when that possession is in our own back third.
The shots on target stats are a little misleading too.. Yes we are shooting lots but I can count on one hand the clear cut chances we have created in the last 5 games.

I'm as big a fan as anyone here but I fear for us. We have the players (to a degree) and we have the fan base too.
What we are lacking at the moment though is a bit of direction from both the suits and the coaching staff.

The suits have to back the coaching staff and the coaching staff have to stop doing the same thing but expect a different result.. It ain't gonna happen.

Sort it out.
I think, SMF, this is much more about the coaching staff than Bloom and Barber.
LuaLua and March starting on the bench. Forster- Caskey getting the nod at the start, with David. The lone striker scenario. Feel sorry for Obika, who scores a neat goal and has not had a sniff for a couple of games. Sideways passing game at the back as usual. I think the playoffs have now gone.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Poor poor poor... That's one for each of the last 3 away games. That was a pretty simple game to call today, as the last 2 have been. 1 point from 9 simply isn't good enough but having said that, when you set out for a draw, what do you expect. Our home form has been poor.. What was keeping us up there was the away days... That has been found wanting too now. Things must change... We look completely toothless, our senior players are becoming disillusioned and it's really difficult to see where the next points are coming from. We may have dominant possession stats but that counts for nothing when that possession is in our own back third. The shots on target stats are a little misleading too.. Yes we are shooting lots but I can count on one hand the clear cut chances we have created in the last 5 games. I'm as big a fan as anyone here but I fear for us. We have the players (to a degree) and we have the fan base too. What we are lacking at the moment though is a bit of direction from both the suits and the coaching staff. The suits have to back the coaching staff and the coaching staff have to stop doing the same thing but expect a different result.. It ain't gonna happen. Sort it out.[/p][/quote]I think, SMF, this is much more about the coaching staff than Bloom and Barber. LuaLua and March starting on the bench. Forster- Caskey getting the nod at the start, with David. The lone striker scenario. Feel sorry for Obika, who scores a neat goal and has not had a sniff for a couple of games. Sideways passing game at the back as usual. I think the playoffs have now gone. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 18

5:41pm Sun 2 Feb 14

cms/ulloa442 says...

Tonyuk175 wrote:
Need to start more positive for sure can't see why we bought in Obika and Rodrigues if we're not playing with 2 up front, season not over yet but we need to start scoring and winning Otherwise top 6 will be to far ahead !!!

Come on OSCAR UTA
agree entirely about no need for striker said this 2 weeks ago, with still being in fa cup we badly needed center back not sure dunk good enough and not sure og thinks he is either or would of played by now ,worst performance by greer ive seen and Is it coincidence because he knows he certain starter now . ince best midfielder cant make bench? oh well roll on Donny UTA
[quote][p][bold]Tonyuk175[/bold] wrote: Need to start more positive for sure can't see why we bought in Obika and Rodrigues if we're not playing with 2 up front, season not over yet but we need to start scoring and winning Otherwise top 6 will be to far ahead !!! Come on OSCAR UTA[/p][/quote]agree entirely about no need for striker said this 2 weeks ago, with still being in fa cup we badly needed center back not sure dunk good enough and not sure og thinks he is either or would of played by now ,worst performance by greer ive seen and Is it coincidence because he knows he certain starter now . ince best midfielder cant make bench? oh well roll on Donny UTA cms/ulloa442
  • Score: 3

5:43pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Neville says...

Thats no goals in three games now and we just don't look like scoring. Despite this OG and his team will persevere with one loan striker,with three home matches now we will surely know by then that we are destined for mid table.
Not impressed by a head coach who is unwilling or unable to change tactics and the football is I am afraid boring and negative.
Why do we have strikers on loan and not use them,if we don't go for it from the start against Doncaster then I think there will some backlash starting. TB expected a top6 finish,how on earthe can he expect that with this weakened and demoralised squad.
So,so disappointing and each week I hope we are going to improve but we are getting worse.
Come the end of season,most players out of contract and loans expired so a total rebuild necessary,next season promotion will be even harder.
FFP will be the driving force again next season but only for BHAFC. The promoted teams who have disregarded FFP must be laughing their socks of,any fines imposed will be easily affordable from the PL monies.
This past transfer window was an opportunity to aim for the top 6,that in my opinion has now gone and TB cannot now really expect this to happen.
Very very disappointed by things at the moment and numerous txts to Radio Sussex this evening about season ticket renewals expected to fall,especially as price increases expected, and I think this will happen. The board had a fine balancing act this past window and I think they have bent to fr towards FFP.
Thats no goals in three games now and we just don't look like scoring. Despite this OG and his team will persevere with one loan striker,with three home matches now we will surely know by then that we are destined for mid table. Not impressed by a head coach who is unwilling or unable to change tactics and the football is I am afraid boring and negative. Why do we have strikers on loan and not use them,if we don't go for it from the start against Doncaster then I think there will some backlash starting. TB expected a top6 finish,how on earthe can he expect that with this weakened and demoralised squad. So,so disappointing and each week I hope we are going to improve but we are getting worse. Come the end of season,most players out of contract and loans expired so a total rebuild necessary,next season promotion will be even harder. FFP will be the driving force again next season but only for BHAFC. The promoted teams who have disregarded FFP must be laughing their socks of,any fines imposed will be easily affordable from the PL monies. This past transfer window was an opportunity to aim for the top 6,that in my opinion has now gone and TB cannot now really expect this to happen. Very very disappointed by things at the moment and numerous txts to Radio Sussex this evening about season ticket renewals expected to fall,especially as price increases expected, and I think this will happen. The board had a fine balancing act this past window and I think they have bent to fr towards FFP. Neville
  • Score: 17

5:45pm Sun 2 Feb 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Why do we always end the game with the more ambitious line up that we could have started the game with? Ulloa realy doesn't thrive as a lone striker.

I really think todays game was the tipping point of the season, we are 10 points adrfit of Forest in 5th, and 7 points adrift of Reading in 6th, so its starting to look like there's only really one play off spot left to fight for, and thats going to be 5 horse race.

Given that we seem to lack the fortitude to take games to the opponents i'm reluctantly looking at todays result as the one that tipped us over the ledge of mediocrity for the season and evidence that we are just not strong enough to be a serious play off contender. Realistically we would need to match what Leicester have just done, a 9 match winning streak, and frankly, we're a million miles away from that.

We lack ambition both on and off the pitch, we're not prepared to take risks, and no risk means no reward. We are are just too predictable, too lightweight, we have no engine room in midfield, and if we persist with Ulloa as a lone striker the results will continue to be sporadic.

We simply have no midfield metal, and I guess the wonder of today is that Lopez managed to last 70+ mins before being subbed, but that guy needs to be replaced, Orlando is equally as lightweight and 10 mins of decent stuff is not enough from him, Forster Caskey too naive, Andrews too slow, Agustein too lazy. Boy, did we miss Ince today, and in that sense it exposed out center backs and poor slow old Gordon stands out when exposed.

We played a Watford team today that are on a major downer, they had key players missing, they played in mid week and were accused of looking like tired legs, and yet today we seemed to be the side with all those atributes.

Opportunity missed, and sadly I can't see us mounting much of a challenge at this point.

We may be able to hold our heads up and keep quoting our sucess of adhering to Financial fair play, but the reality is that FFP will likely breed mediocre on field sucess which will soon drive down revenue through shrinking attendnace, and thus drive down our ability for on field sucess. The vicious cycle appears to be in fully swing

Its a mad world.
Why do we always end the game with the more ambitious line up that we could have started the game with? Ulloa realy doesn't thrive as a lone striker. I really think todays game was the tipping point of the season, we are 10 points adrfit of Forest in 5th, and 7 points adrift of Reading in 6th, so its starting to look like there's only really one play off spot left to fight for, and thats going to be 5 horse race. Given that we seem to lack the fortitude to take games to the opponents i'm reluctantly looking at todays result as the one that tipped us over the ledge of mediocrity for the season and evidence that we are just not strong enough to be a serious play off contender. Realistically we would need to match what Leicester have just done, a 9 match winning streak, and frankly, we're a million miles away from that. We lack ambition both on and off the pitch, we're not prepared to take risks, and no risk means no reward. We are are just too predictable, too lightweight, we have no engine room in midfield, and if we persist with Ulloa as a lone striker the results will continue to be sporadic. We simply have no midfield metal, and I guess the wonder of today is that Lopez managed to last 70+ mins before being subbed, but that guy needs to be replaced, Orlando is equally as lightweight and 10 mins of decent stuff is not enough from him, Forster Caskey too naive, Andrews too slow, Agustein too lazy. Boy, did we miss Ince today, and in that sense it exposed out center backs and poor slow old Gordon stands out when exposed. We played a Watford team today that are on a major downer, they had key players missing, they played in mid week and were accused of looking like tired legs, and yet today we seemed to be the side with all those atributes. Opportunity missed, and sadly I can't see us mounting much of a challenge at this point. We may be able to hold our heads up and keep quoting our sucess of adhering to Financial fair play, but the reality is that FFP will likely breed mediocre on field sucess which will soon drive down revenue through shrinking attendnace, and thus drive down our ability for on field sucess. The vicious cycle appears to be in fully swing Its a mad world. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 26

5:48pm Sun 2 Feb 14

sussexram40 says...

Bad tactics once again. Fewer goals cored than any other team in the top 10. So predictable and negative. We have to play 4-4-2.

Trainee, personality-bypass , manager Oscar has to sort it out FAST or he has to go.
Bad tactics once again. Fewer goals cored than any other team in the top 10. So predictable and negative. We have to play 4-4-2. Trainee, personality-bypass , manager Oscar has to sort it out FAST or he has to go. sussexram40
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Sun 2 Feb 14

ClorsonSeagull says...

Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........
Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........ ClorsonSeagull
  • Score: 3

5:56pm Sun 2 Feb 14

albionbloke says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Why do we always end the game with the more ambitious line up that we could have started the game with? Ulloa realy doesn't thrive as a lone striker.

I really think todays game was the tipping point of the season, we are 10 points adrfit of Forest in 5th, and 7 points adrift of Reading in 6th, so its starting to look like there's only really one play off spot left to fight for, and thats going to be 5 horse race.

Given that we seem to lack the fortitude to take games to the opponents i'm reluctantly looking at todays result as the one that tipped us over the ledge of mediocrity for the season and evidence that we are just not strong enough to be a serious play off contender. Realistically we would need to match what Leicester have just done, a 9 match winning streak, and frankly, we're a million miles away from that.

We lack ambition both on and off the pitch, we're not prepared to take risks, and no risk means no reward. We are are just too predictable, too lightweight, we have no engine room in midfield, and if we persist with Ulloa as a lone striker the results will continue to be sporadic.

We simply have no midfield metal, and I guess the wonder of today is that Lopez managed to last 70+ mins before being subbed, but that guy needs to be replaced, Orlando is equally as lightweight and 10 mins of decent stuff is not enough from him, Forster Caskey too naive, Andrews too slow, Agustein too lazy. Boy, did we miss Ince today, and in that sense it exposed out center backs and poor slow old Gordon stands out when exposed.

We played a Watford team today that are on a major downer, they had key players missing, they played in mid week and were accused of looking like tired legs, and yet today we seemed to be the side with all those atributes.

Opportunity missed, and sadly I can't see us mounting much of a challenge at this point.

We may be able to hold our heads up and keep quoting our sucess of adhering to Financial fair play, but the reality is that FFP will likely breed mediocre on field sucess which will soon drive down revenue through shrinking attendnace, and thus drive down our ability for on field sucess. The vicious cycle appears to be in fully swing

Its a mad world.
Very well said PBTB.....
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Why do we always end the game with the more ambitious line up that we could have started the game with? Ulloa realy doesn't thrive as a lone striker. I really think todays game was the tipping point of the season, we are 10 points adrfit of Forest in 5th, and 7 points adrift of Reading in 6th, so its starting to look like there's only really one play off spot left to fight for, and thats going to be 5 horse race. Given that we seem to lack the fortitude to take games to the opponents i'm reluctantly looking at todays result as the one that tipped us over the ledge of mediocrity for the season and evidence that we are just not strong enough to be a serious play off contender. Realistically we would need to match what Leicester have just done, a 9 match winning streak, and frankly, we're a million miles away from that. We lack ambition both on and off the pitch, we're not prepared to take risks, and no risk means no reward. We are are just too predictable, too lightweight, we have no engine room in midfield, and if we persist with Ulloa as a lone striker the results will continue to be sporadic. We simply have no midfield metal, and I guess the wonder of today is that Lopez managed to last 70+ mins before being subbed, but that guy needs to be replaced, Orlando is equally as lightweight and 10 mins of decent stuff is not enough from him, Forster Caskey too naive, Andrews too slow, Agustein too lazy. Boy, did we miss Ince today, and in that sense it exposed out center backs and poor slow old Gordon stands out when exposed. We played a Watford team today that are on a major downer, they had key players missing, they played in mid week and were accused of looking like tired legs, and yet today we seemed to be the side with all those atributes. Opportunity missed, and sadly I can't see us mounting much of a challenge at this point. We may be able to hold our heads up and keep quoting our sucess of adhering to Financial fair play, but the reality is that FFP will likely breed mediocre on field sucess which will soon drive down revenue through shrinking attendnace, and thus drive down our ability for on field sucess. The vicious cycle appears to be in fully swing Its a mad world.[/p][/quote]Very well said PBTB..... albionbloke
  • Score: 10

5:57pm Sun 2 Feb 14

championshipgull says...

Disappointing but we are still 6th in the away table which is just good enough. The home form has let us down this season but we have got a chance to put that right in the next 4 games or we will have to go on a heck of a good run at the end of the season, like last year
Disappointing but we are still 6th in the away table which is just good enough. The home form has let us down this season but we have got a chance to put that right in the next 4 games or we will have to go on a heck of a good run at the end of the season, like last year championshipgull
  • Score: 8

5:57pm Sun 2 Feb 14

ballantrrae says...

A mostt disappointing result but I expect us to bounce back in 6 days time.
According to the BBC Sport stats we had 66% possession, 15 shots but only one on target.. Clearly we are doing something right to dominate possession in most matches but the lack of shooting accuracy and therefore lack of goals is really costing us.
Very surprised that Ince wasn't playing or even on the bench. Is he injured ?
I believe the only match we have lost when Ince has been playing was against Derby. Please correct me if I an wrong. Also surprised that LuaLua started on the bench.
I feel this match underlines the fact that we still need to strengthen the squad and I look forward to seeing some Loan signings when the window re-opens.
Interesting to see how Oscar reacts and gets the Albion moving forward again.
A mostt disappointing result but I expect us to bounce back in 6 days time. According to the BBC Sport stats we had 66% possession, 15 shots but only one on target.. Clearly we are doing something right to dominate possession in most matches but the lack of shooting accuracy and therefore lack of goals is really costing us. Very surprised that Ince wasn't playing or even on the bench. Is he injured ? I believe the only match we have lost when Ince has been playing was against Derby. Please correct me if I an wrong. Also surprised that LuaLua started on the bench. I feel this match underlines the fact that we still need to strengthen the squad and I look forward to seeing some Loan signings when the window re-opens. Interesting to see how Oscar reacts and gets the Albion moving forward again. ballantrrae
  • Score: 11

5:57pm Sun 2 Feb 14

arc12 says...

Maybe I'm on my own here - but what about dropping Ulloa for a couple of matches and play Obika together with Rodriguez. Ulloa's body language looks poor at the moment and you have two new strikers at the club who are probably hungry to impress. I like Ulloa but don't think he's quite the player some people seem to think. That's assuming OG will try two up front.
Maybe I'm on my own here - but what about dropping Ulloa for a couple of matches and play Obika together with Rodriguez. Ulloa's body language looks poor at the moment and you have two new strikers at the club who are probably hungry to impress. I like Ulloa but don't think he's quite the player some people seem to think. That's assuming OG will try two up front. arc12
  • Score: 18

6:01pm Sun 2 Feb 14

EastWorthingExocetMissile says...

I thnk the bridcutt situation has hit the whole squad badly. We lost a quality,quality player for 2.5 million., which in terms of our budget and the cost of players wages is nothing, and is next to zero for a premiership club. If you factor in that Ince and bridcutt in the same side really complimented each other well and were unbeaten in the same side, this is a massive oppurtunity lost for a relatively paltry amount of money.
Factor in that we also had to pay bridcutt,s wages for the best part of a month whilst he basically refused to play which must have disrupted the whole squad as well and this represents a really poor bit of business for the albion.
I normally have a lot of faith in tony bloom but I understand he was in Australia for much of the january transfer window and it appears argent and Burke have made a real mess of this transfer. It was also obvious a bid for bridcutt was going to client his transfer window and we shoudhavebeen made way more prepared for it.
The only saving grace will be if we spend the money wisely on a few oscar targets in the summer who he gets playing at their best. But as oscar insists on playing one up front, we will only get promoted if that one upfront gets thirty goals a season through being properly serviced by two really accurate crossers of the ball. I'm not convinced we have this at the moment.

Let's have a real crack at the fa cup this year because unless reading and forestsuddenlystop scoring goals weare not going to make the play offs this year. And hop oscar has a good look at the squad this year gets a decent pre-season next year and brings insome clear quality up frontinthe summer.
I thnk the bridcutt situation has hit the whole squad badly. We lost a quality,quality player for 2.5 million., which in terms of our budget and the cost of players wages is nothing, and is next to zero for a premiership club. If you factor in that Ince and bridcutt in the same side really complimented each other well and were unbeaten in the same side, this is a massive oppurtunity lost for a relatively paltry amount of money. Factor in that we also had to pay bridcutt,s wages for the best part of a month whilst he basically refused to play which must have disrupted the whole squad as well and this represents a really poor bit of business for the albion. I normally have a lot of faith in tony bloom but I understand he was in Australia for much of the january transfer window and it appears argent and Burke have made a real mess of this transfer. It was also obvious a bid for bridcutt was going to client his transfer window and we shoudhavebeen made way more prepared for it. The only saving grace will be if we spend the money wisely on a few oscar targets in the summer who he gets playing at their best. But as oscar insists on playing one up front, we will only get promoted if that one upfront gets thirty goals a season through being properly serviced by two really accurate crossers of the ball. I'm not convinced we have this at the moment. Let's have a real crack at the fa cup this year because unless reading and forestsuddenlystop scoring goals weare not going to make the play offs this year. And hop oscar has a good look at the squad this year gets a decent pre-season next year and brings insome clear quality up frontinthe summer. EastWorthingExocetMissile
  • Score: 10

6:01pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

It's goodbye to the play offs we're too far adrift of 6 th place and do not score enough goals.We must play two up front.Radio Sussex were very critical of formation and tactics which does not bode well for OG.
It's goodbye to the play offs we're too far adrift of 6 th place and do not score enough goals.We must play two up front.Radio Sussex were very critical of formation and tactics which does not bode well for OG. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 11

6:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not. bruce beckett
  • Score: 6

6:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Pathetic, Id rather we went for it and won 4-3 ! than this predictable negative attitude, I pay god money for three season tickets, have been out of work for a year and want to see my team at least score a goal or two. (season tickets will not be renewed with this crap). Greer should have gone not El Abd, Oscar and that useless Nathan Jones should go now, bring in an English Manager who wants to win.,and not just avoid defeat, clearly that's not working either.
Come on Steveg1958 we wanted Barca style, that s what B&B promised when they got rid of Gus and brought Oscar, so why now change for an english manager who would need to change most of the players before starting winning games? Maybe too many lies and the idea is middle table in the Champ, save money and sell the club to the best offer, just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: Pathetic, Id rather we went for it and won 4-3 ! than this predictable negative attitude, I pay god money for three season tickets, have been out of work for a year and want to see my team at least score a goal or two. (season tickets will not be renewed with this crap). Greer should have gone not El Abd, Oscar and that useless Nathan Jones should go now, bring in an English Manager who wants to win.,and not just avoid defeat, clearly that's not working either.[/p][/quote]Come on Steveg1958 we wanted Barca style, that s what B&B promised when they got rid of Gus and brought Oscar, so why now change for an english manager who would need to change most of the players before starting winning games? Maybe too many lies and the idea is middle table in the Champ, save money and sell the club to the best offer, just a thought. searich1983
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

ClorsonSeagull wrote:
Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........
Much as I like Fatboy, I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you, Clorson. Is nothing sacred anymore!
[quote][p][bold]ClorsonSeagull[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........[/p][/quote]Much as I like Fatboy, I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you, Clorson. Is nothing sacred anymore! wiseman of hove
  • Score: 7

6:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Piglet1 says...

Typically there is a frenzy do negative comments, same old same old when we lose. Keep perspective, if we win the next game everyone will say we are world beaters.
Typically there is a frenzy do negative comments, same old same old when we lose. Keep perspective, if we win the next game everyone will say we are world beaters. Piglet1
  • Score: 3

6:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Tommy11 says...

Right. This has got to stop Oscar. The negative tactics are simply not working. We can't score goals - the reason?? We play 1 up front with NO wide players. I don't like his 1 upfront malarkey - which now seems to be embedded in Albion folklore - which in truth is getting right up my nose. HOWEVER, if we persist with 1 up font - then Ulloa needs to be supported by Lua Lua/ March & Buckley/ Monkana - not 1 of them, and certainly not the lethal combo of Lopez and Orlandi. The pair of them are playing like S**T.

Ulloa must be seriously getting hacked off - and I don't blame him. God knows what Kemy Augustian is thinking too with JFC taking his place every week. Oscar, the Kid has not got it - give it up!

I am really not sure about Oscar, I have given him a while but I really don't like the way were playing. Which is very very dull. What annoys me more than anything is that he told us at the start of the season that he was 'obsessed with attacking football' which is just a total lye - as he couldn't be any further away from that style!!!!! As I have said before.. I can't help thinking we would be in a better position with an experienced British manager - as we do have good players. But our coaching team are not motivating the players & the tactics are all wrong - and I don't think really that Oscar is a manager!!!! that does not help. He just seems to 'grunt' his way through and looking a bit on the clueless side.

I really hope I am wrong about him - but im sorry it was a rushed appointment and I do feel a bit let down by the club that we did not interview anyone else. I would love to know who was the person who identified him as the next Albion Manager - as I can't see the justification at all!
Right. This has got to stop Oscar. The negative tactics are simply not working. We can't score goals - the reason?? We play 1 up front with NO wide players. I don't like his 1 upfront malarkey - which now seems to be embedded in Albion folklore - which in truth is getting right up my nose. HOWEVER, if we persist with 1 up font - then Ulloa needs to be supported by Lua Lua/ March & Buckley/ Monkana - not 1 of them, and certainly not the lethal combo of Lopez and Orlandi. The pair of them are playing like S**T. Ulloa must be seriously getting hacked off - and I don't blame him. God knows what Kemy Augustian is thinking too with JFC taking his place every week. Oscar, the Kid has not got it - give it up! I am really not sure about Oscar, I have given him a while but I really don't like the way were playing. Which is very very dull. What annoys me more than anything is that he told us at the start of the season that he was 'obsessed with attacking football' which is just a total lye - as he couldn't be any further away from that style!!!!! As I have said before.. I can't help thinking we would be in a better position with an experienced British manager - as we do have good players. But our coaching team are not motivating the players & the tactics are all wrong - and I don't think really that Oscar is a manager!!!! that does not help. He just seems to 'grunt' his way through and looking a bit on the clueless side. I really hope I am wrong about him - but im sorry it was a rushed appointment and I do feel a bit let down by the club that we did not interview anyone else. I would love to know who was the person who identified him as the next Albion Manager - as I can't see the justification at all! Tommy11
  • Score: 18

6:15pm Sun 2 Feb 14

buckler says...

Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor!
Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor! buckler
  • Score: 4

6:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

raymondo999 says...

ClorsonSeagull wrote:
Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........
Now you've gone too far!!!! Sussex by the sea is what we are!!! We will not be druv!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ClorsonSeagull[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........[/p][/quote]Now you've gone too far!!!! Sussex by the sea is what we are!!! We will not be druv!!!! raymondo999
  • Score: 5

6:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14

oksouthstander says...

Piglet1 wrote:
Typically there is a frenzy do negative comments, same old same old when we lose. Keep perspective, if we win the next game everyone will say we are world beaters.
With good HOME support we can win the rest of this months games and still be on course for a play-off place.74 points...Target 52 points by March 2nd... we have the squad,a couple of loans would be icing on the cake...
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: Typically there is a frenzy do negative comments, same old same old when we lose. Keep perspective, if we win the next game everyone will say we are world beaters.[/p][/quote]With good HOME support we can win the rest of this months games and still be on course for a play-off place.74 points...Target 52 points by March 2nd... we have the squad,a couple of loans would be icing on the cake... oksouthstander
  • Score: -1

6:25pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SMF20 says...

arc12 wrote:
Maybe I'm on my own here - but what about dropping Ulloa for a couple of matches and play Obika together with Rodriguez. Ulloa's body language looks poor at the moment and you have two new strikers at the club who are probably hungry to impress. I like Ulloa but don't think he's quite the player some people seem to think. That's assuming OG will try two up front.
I understand your logic my friend but imho, the only reason that Leo is struggling is because we are giving him absolutely nothing to feed off.
When you think in comparison that the cart horse at Burnley that we had on lone has scored 15, it really does show how an attacking team can benefit a striker.

I feel bloody sorry for Leo... Best striker in the division and he's being totally wasted.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm on my own here - but what about dropping Ulloa for a couple of matches and play Obika together with Rodriguez. Ulloa's body language looks poor at the moment and you have two new strikers at the club who are probably hungry to impress. I like Ulloa but don't think he's quite the player some people seem to think. That's assuming OG will try two up front.[/p][/quote]I understand your logic my friend but imho, the only reason that Leo is struggling is because we are giving him absolutely nothing to feed off. When you think in comparison that the cart horse at Burnley that we had on lone has scored 15, it really does show how an attacking team can benefit a striker. I feel bloody sorry for Leo... Best striker in the division and he's being totally wasted. SMF20
  • Score: 16

6:31pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

This is a conundrum.
Oscar's tactics haven't been cutting it and we're not attacking as he promised.
So what's going on.
Is Oscar persisting with theses negative tactics because he has decided, like Gus, that the ceiling has been reached. Is he angling for the sack?
I, personally, don't think so but unless Oscar has a change of tactics we're going nowhere. And yet we're in a handy position and still in the cup but we can't afford to drop too many more points.
However, two home victories in the league and we'll all feel much better.
Over to you Oscar.UTA
This is a conundrum. Oscar's tactics haven't been cutting it and we're not attacking as he promised. So what's going on. Is Oscar persisting with theses negative tactics because he has decided, like Gus, that the ceiling has been reached. Is he angling for the sack? I, personally, don't think so but unless Oscar has a change of tactics we're going nowhere. And yet we're in a handy position and still in the cup but we can't afford to drop too many more points. However, two home victories in the league and we'll all feel much better. Over to you Oscar.UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 5

6:35pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Neville says...

By continually playing one lone striker,we are depriving our otherstriking options of vital match time which would of course improve their fitness and get them match sharp. It is no use bringing on one 20 mins from the end.
At home to Doncaster I do not want to witness a negative lineup with holding possession in our own half and then going a goal down after 30 mins and having to chase the game against a team happy to defend high balls to a lone striker. OG needs to attack from the off with a twin pronged attack,I know he won't .but he should.
If we witness the usual pattern then I think there will be some very unhappy fans Saturday and it will be interesting to take note of attendances once the season optimism fades, the true test will be the season ticket renewals.
Desperatley want us to make a fight of the playoff places but morale in the camp,quite understandably,seems poor.
By continually playing one lone striker,we are depriving our otherstriking options of vital match time which would of course improve their fitness and get them match sharp. It is no use bringing on one 20 mins from the end. At home to Doncaster I do not want to witness a negative lineup with holding possession in our own half and then going a goal down after 30 mins and having to chase the game against a team happy to defend high balls to a lone striker. OG needs to attack from the off with a twin pronged attack,I know he won't .but he should. If we witness the usual pattern then I think there will be some very unhappy fans Saturday and it will be interesting to take note of attendances once the season optimism fades, the true test will be the season ticket renewals. Desperatley want us to make a fight of the playoff places but morale in the camp,quite understandably,seems poor. Neville
  • Score: 3

6:41pm Sun 2 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

OG has no clue,he started with a 4-5-1 line up with no wingers and only changed when the game was gone,not one goal in about 300minutes of away games.We lost the best manager we had and now our best players because of the Blues Bros who are trying to build up their bank balance,surely we are allowed to spend the money we get in.At least we will have the best facilities in the first division and we would struggle in div 1.
OG has no clue,he started with a 4-5-1 line up with no wingers and only changed when the game was gone,not one goal in about 300minutes of away games.We lost the best manager we had and now our best players because of the Blues Bros who are trying to build up their bank balance,surely we are allowed to spend the money we get in.At least we will have the best facilities in the first division and we would struggle in div 1. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Sun 2 Feb 14

namgo49 says...

Next Saturday is teling, a poor result and the discontent of the fans may be mirrored in the board room.
Next Saturday is teling, a poor result and the discontent of the fans may be mirrored in the board room. namgo49
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Sun 2 Feb 14

sussexram40 says...

I've noticed Ulloa hasn't seemed happy since Gus left. He looks out of sorts and not enjoying his football. I agree with the poster who said to drop him and play the new pair upfront together.
As for the LB debacle - yes it was handled badly. Turning down his transfer request was ridiculous, led Liam to sulk and not play and that has a big impact on the dressing room. We were always going to have to let him go and the way it was handled has done us damage.
I'm starting to lose confidence in The Lizard. I think we will need a big clear out from top to bottom before we can be serious promototion contenders again.
The Gus glory years are over.
I was screaming for Tony Pulis for weeks until Parar@se wisely snapped him up. He would have had us in the Top 6 now.
We need a good, experienced British manager with a track record of success.
Bloom and co need to wake up and realise that being Spanish soesn't make you better than an Englishman.
We are Brighton & Hove Albion. NOT Costa Del Brighton.
I've noticed Ulloa hasn't seemed happy since Gus left. He looks out of sorts and not enjoying his football. I agree with the poster who said to drop him and play the new pair upfront together. As for the LB debacle - yes it was handled badly. Turning down his transfer request was ridiculous, led Liam to sulk and not play and that has a big impact on the dressing room. We were always going to have to let him go and the way it was handled has done us damage. I'm starting to lose confidence in The Lizard. I think we will need a big clear out from top to bottom before we can be serious promototion contenders again. The Gus glory years are over. I was screaming for Tony Pulis for weeks until Parar@se wisely snapped him up. He would have had us in the Top 6 now. We need a good, experienced British manager with a track record of success. Bloom and co need to wake up and realise that being Spanish soesn't make you better than an Englishman. We are Brighton & Hove Albion. NOT Costa Del Brighton. sussexram40
  • Score: 5

7:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Gaz the great says...

Watford were bad but we were worse & rightly lost. Maybe a different formation would achive more-4,1,3,2 but now LB has left, who can play that holding midfield role protecting the back 4 whilst allowing the full-backs space to overlap & add the attacking flair which has recently been absent? Not Ince for sure, great player in a more attacking mode! We also need CMS back to run at defences from the 45/60 yard point, thus dragging defenders out of position, something sadly lacking today!
Watford were bad but we were worse & rightly lost. Maybe a different formation would achive more-4,1,3,2 but now LB has left, who can play that holding midfield role protecting the back 4 whilst allowing the full-backs space to overlap & add the attacking flair which has recently been absent? Not Ince for sure, great player in a more attacking mode! We also need CMS back to run at defences from the 45/60 yard point, thus dragging defenders out of position, something sadly lacking today! Gaz the great
  • Score: -2

7:07pm Sun 2 Feb 14

starlion says...

buckler wrote:
Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor!
Ha ha, very clearly you weren't a class above , but for the post / crossbar and an incorrect offside decision it would have been a draw. That being said, we were poor and the fact you could only muster a couple of chances says all there is to say about your team ( albeit they both went in .. ha ha ). You were p*ss poor at the Amex and p*ss poor again today , you got the rub of the green, that's all.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor![/p][/quote]Ha ha, very clearly you weren't a class above , but for the post / crossbar and an incorrect offside decision it would have been a draw. That being said, we were poor and the fact you could only muster a couple of chances says all there is to say about your team ( albeit they both went in .. ha ha ). You were p*ss poor at the Amex and p*ss poor again today , you got the rub of the green, that's all. starlion
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

Watford were actually very good against us at the Amex; we were extremely lucky to get a point.
Watford were actually very good against us at the Amex; we were extremely lucky to get a point. bruce beckett
  • Score: 10

7:13pm Sun 2 Feb 14

starlion says...

Ok, well i actually thought they were poor , given how good they were last season
Ok, well i actually thought they were poor , given how good they were last season starlion
  • Score: -2

7:23pm Sun 2 Feb 14

ballantrrae says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
You raise some interesting points which the club need to consider.
I suspect that our 9th position reflects where we should be - after 28 games it is difficult to argue against that. We all know the reason why - not enough goals.
I think Oscar is a first rate coach who has the ability to get more out of players than one has previously seen. Witness Barnes, Ince, LuaLua etc. What is beginning to concern me is his apparent inflexibility tactically. Just occasionally it might be nice to see us switch to having two strikers. Perhaps I am reacting negatively to a run of indifferent league results away from home. 3 fixtures that were always going to be difficult. However the impression I have got is that had we been more positive we could have obtained a better return than 1 point out of 9. I would be interested in other posters thoughts.
Hopefully the upcoming run of home matches will provide a more positive return. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.[/p][/quote]You raise some interesting points which the club need to consider. I suspect that our 9th position reflects where we should be - after 28 games it is difficult to argue against that. We all know the reason why - not enough goals. I think Oscar is a first rate coach who has the ability to get more out of players than one has previously seen. Witness Barnes, Ince, LuaLua etc. What is beginning to concern me is his apparent inflexibility tactically. Just occasionally it might be nice to see us switch to having two strikers. Perhaps I am reacting negatively to a run of indifferent league results away from home. 3 fixtures that were always going to be difficult. However the impression I have got is that had we been more positive we could have obtained a better return than 1 point out of 9. I would be interested in other posters thoughts. Hopefully the upcoming run of home matches will provide a more positive return. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

7:32pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SMF20 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
You raise some interesting points which the club need to consider.
I suspect that our 9th position reflects where we should be - after 28 games it is difficult to argue against that. We all know the reason why - not enough goals.
I think Oscar is a first rate coach who has the ability to get more out of players than one has previously seen. Witness Barnes, Ince, LuaLua etc. What is beginning to concern me is his apparent inflexibility tactically. Just occasionally it might be nice to see us switch to having two strikers. Perhaps I am reacting negatively to a run of indifferent league results away from home. 3 fixtures that were always going to be difficult. However the impression I have got is that had we been more positive we could have obtained a better return than 1 point out of 9. I would be interested in other posters thoughts.
Hopefully the upcoming run of home matches will provide a more positive return. UTA.
Perhaps my friend you have just hit the nail on the head.

OG is clearly a great coach. The way he has brought on the youngsters is fantastic.
Is he a No1 though? This is the question I am starting to ask myself.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.[/p][/quote]You raise some interesting points which the club need to consider. I suspect that our 9th position reflects where we should be - after 28 games it is difficult to argue against that. We all know the reason why - not enough goals. I think Oscar is a first rate coach who has the ability to get more out of players than one has previously seen. Witness Barnes, Ince, LuaLua etc. What is beginning to concern me is his apparent inflexibility tactically. Just occasionally it might be nice to see us switch to having two strikers. Perhaps I am reacting negatively to a run of indifferent league results away from home. 3 fixtures that were always going to be difficult. However the impression I have got is that had we been more positive we could have obtained a better return than 1 point out of 9. I would be interested in other posters thoughts. Hopefully the upcoming run of home matches will provide a more positive return. UTA.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my friend you have just hit the nail on the head. OG is clearly a great coach. The way he has brought on the youngsters is fantastic. Is he a No1 though? This is the question I am starting to ask myself. SMF20
  • Score: 9

7:39pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Last season Watford were the best side i saw however on their present form I did think we could take a point today.
I do not put all the blame on Oscar,he is the coach and has to do the best with the players he has, if he can keep us in the top half of the table thats fine,the only thing i ask of him is that he drops the one man up for our home games.
Last season Watford were the best side i saw however on their present form I did think we could take a point today. I do not put all the blame on Oscar,he is the coach and has to do the best with the players he has, if he can keep us in the top half of the table thats fine,the only thing i ask of him is that he drops the one man up for our home games. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Bowmanc says...

Was at the game today and reading between the lines of the programme notes and speaking with some home fans it does appear that the hornets were really up for this one as thank you to 3000 supporters making the trip to Man City. Their Marco Cassetti (defender) also wrote that he feels they could get a play off place !
Prehaps it was always going to be their day. A spring board if you will.
Brighton now have a week on the training ground ahead of three home games. Forget today and look forward to those.
Was at the game today and reading between the lines of the programme notes and speaking with some home fans it does appear that the hornets were really up for this one as thank you to 3000 supporters making the trip to Man City. Their Marco Cassetti (defender) also wrote that he feels they could get a play off place ! Prehaps it was always going to be their day. A spring board if you will. Brighton now have a week on the training ground ahead of three home games. Forget today and look forward to those. Bowmanc
  • Score: 5

7:46pm Sun 2 Feb 14

GosportGull says...

It shows our negative attitude when the midfield players accept the ball with their backs to the opponents goal , there is no positive body language and total lack of movement .. Barcelona make the single striker work because the midfield look to get forward at EVERY opportunity .. we play a defensive midfield which means poor Ulloa gets left to fight alone ..hence lack of goals and his frustration when he has nobody to pass to and is easy prey for two centre backs to deal with .. Things need to change !
Single striker might work for Barca but we should play to OUR strengths and not try and replicate something we simply don't have the quality to emmulate ... Oscar needs to at least consider playing two upfront .. or why did we buy another striker and loan another one with two on their way back from injury , thats 5 strikers for one slot ! I know its good to have competition ..but 5 for one place ??? Come on Oscar ..be more creative and positive with your tactics please ....
We have a good back four and Tomaz in goal , lets get the midfield going forward ! UTA
It shows our negative attitude when the midfield players accept the ball with their backs to the opponents goal , there is no positive body language and total lack of movement .. Barcelona make the single striker work because the midfield look to get forward at EVERY opportunity .. we play a defensive midfield which means poor Ulloa gets left to fight alone ..hence lack of goals and his frustration when he has nobody to pass to and is easy prey for two centre backs to deal with .. Things need to change ! Single striker might work for Barca but we should play to OUR strengths and not try and replicate something we simply don't have the quality to emmulate ... Oscar needs to at least consider playing two upfront .. or why did we buy another striker and loan another one with two on their way back from injury , thats 5 strikers for one slot ! I know its good to have competition ..but 5 for one place ??? Come on Oscar ..be more creative and positive with your tactics please .... We have a good back four and Tomaz in goal , lets get the midfield going forward ! UTA GosportGull
  • Score: 8

8:09pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Far gull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
With you. I said on a previous thread but will say on this I believe we have over stretched ourselves off the pitch with training facility too soon after Amex development ,(time will tell) . But we need to put bums on seats in our ground all the time and Gus having treated us appallingly was right about our ambition in the short term and I know I am not alone in this theory.
Average League one players ,the likes of Grabban ,and the two bought in during the window ,Will not do this. I for one would have bought Next years ticket on watching Adam for his antics and importantly commitment.
The comments from the players last week showed we have problems.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.[/p][/quote]With you. I said on a previous thread but will say on this I believe we have over stretched ourselves off the pitch with training facility too soon after Amex development ,(time will tell) . But we need to put bums on seats in our ground all the time and Gus having treated us appallingly was right about our ambition in the short term and I know I am not alone in this theory. Average League one players ,the likes of Grabban ,and the two bought in during the window ,Will not do this. I for one would have bought Next years ticket on watching Adam for his antics and importantly commitment. The comments from the players last week showed we have problems. Far gull
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Sun 2 Feb 14

GosportGull says...

ClorsonSeagull wrote:
Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........
Sussex by the Sea is the one thing that gets fans going ..i dont see how a "funky Fat Boy " version will change our fortunes ! I think there are alot more bigger problems that our famous and traditional anthem ....
[quote][p][bold]ClorsonSeagull[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........[/p][/quote]Sussex by the Sea is the one thing that gets fans going ..i dont see how a "funky Fat Boy " version will change our fortunes ! I think there are alot more bigger problems that our famous and traditional anthem .... GosportGull
  • Score: 3

8:17pm Sun 2 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

sussexram40 says...

I've noticed Ulloa hasn't seemed happy since Gus left. He looks out of sorts and not enjoying his football. I agree with the poster who said to drop him and play the new pair upfront together.
As for the LB debacle - yes it was handled badly. Turning down his transfer request was ridiculous, led Liam to sulk and not play and that has a big impact on the dressing room. We were always going to have to let him go and the way it was handled has done us damage.
I'm starting to lose confidence in The Lizard. I think we will need a big clear out from top to bottom before we can be serious promototion contenders again.
The Gus glory years are over.
I was screaming for Tony Pulis for weeks until Parar@se wisely snapped him up. He would have had us in the Top 6 now.
We need a good, experienced British manager with a track record of success.
Bloom and co need to wake up and realise that being Spanish soesn't make you better than an Englishman.
We are Brighton & Hove Albion. NOT Costa Del Brighton.

Billious tripe from beginning to end. You've 'lost faith in the lizard' - he's put millions of pounds into the club - and your contribution is? There's one born every minute.
sussexram40 says... I've noticed Ulloa hasn't seemed happy since Gus left. He looks out of sorts and not enjoying his football. I agree with the poster who said to drop him and play the new pair upfront together. As for the LB debacle - yes it was handled badly. Turning down his transfer request was ridiculous, led Liam to sulk and not play and that has a big impact on the dressing room. We were always going to have to let him go and the way it was handled has done us damage. I'm starting to lose confidence in The Lizard. I think we will need a big clear out from top to bottom before we can be serious promototion contenders again. The Gus glory years are over. I was screaming for Tony Pulis for weeks until Parar@se wisely snapped him up. He would have had us in the Top 6 now. We need a good, experienced British manager with a track record of success. Bloom and co need to wake up and realise that being Spanish soesn't make you better than an Englishman. We are Brighton & Hove Albion. NOT Costa Del Brighton. Billious tripe from beginning to end. You've 'lost faith in the lizard' - he's put millions of pounds into the club - and your contribution is? There's one born every minute. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 2

8:18pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Alfie T says...

buckler wrote:
Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor!
Oh she's back, a class above don't make me laugh, you are a poor side which makes our performance even more disappointing. As for fans,I hope your new stand isn't gonna be very big, 16.000 today, 2000 Brighton fans, pathetic turn out by your lot.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor![/p][/quote]Oh she's back, a class above don't make me laugh, you are a poor side which makes our performance even more disappointing. As for fans,I hope your new stand isn't gonna be very big, 16.000 today, 2000 Brighton fans, pathetic turn out by your lot. Alfie T
  • Score: -1

8:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

The photo of Ulloa says it all--FRUSTRATION---- maybe at not having a partner upfront. Ulloa has not scored in ages and that should tell Oscar something. As has been said stats mean nothing great to have 66% possession if you can turn it into goals and wins. 14 shots at goal and only 1 on target--disgraceful!
! Other teams can score 3 and 4 goals but we very very rarely score more than 1 these days. We have IMO a very good squad but now they have to be taught a different game of football to that we are currently playing. Entertaining to watch is what we want for the hard earned money the fans pay to go and see The Albion. Fire in the belly is wanted and pretty quick.
The photo of Ulloa says it all--FRUSTRATION---- maybe at not having a partner upfront. Ulloa has not scored in ages and that should tell Oscar something. As has been said stats mean nothing great to have 66% possession if you can turn it into goals and wins. 14 shots at goal and only 1 on target--disgraceful! ! Other teams can score 3 and 4 goals but we very very rarely score more than 1 these days. We have IMO a very good squad but now they have to be taught a different game of football to that we are currently playing. Entertaining to watch is what we want for the hard earned money the fans pay to go and see The Albion. Fire in the belly is wanted and pretty quick. mikeygit
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Far gull says...

Alfie T wrote:
buckler wrote:
Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor!
Oh she's back, a class above don't make me laugh, you are a poor side which makes our performance even more disappointing. As for fans,I hope your new stand isn't gonna be very big, 16.000 today, 2000 Brighton fans, pathetic turn out by your lot.
Careful Alfie we might be struggling to get many more at the Amex at this rate. When we played them at home quoted crowd at end of game was 26 + I know for a fact it was only 21 ,500 and we weren't in the pickle we are now .
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Can we play you every week! Watford a class above today... Brighton fans and team very poor![/p][/quote]Oh she's back, a class above don't make me laugh, you are a poor side which makes our performance even more disappointing. As for fans,I hope your new stand isn't gonna be very big, 16.000 today, 2000 Brighton fans, pathetic turn out by your lot.[/p][/quote]Careful Alfie we might be struggling to get many more at the Amex at this rate. When we played them at home quoted crowd at end of game was 26 + I know for a fact it was only 21 ,500 and we weren't in the pickle we are now . Far gull
  • Score: 5

8:48pm Sun 2 Feb 14

championshipgull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
Merely having a different opinion from you doesn’t constitute abuse. There are lots off different opinions on here. I don’t try and pass my opinion off as fact and I respect the opinion of all genuine Albion fans, something you appear not to do.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.[/p][/quote]Merely having a different opinion from you doesn’t constitute abuse. There are lots off different opinions on here. I don’t try and pass my opinion off as fact and I respect the opinion of all genuine Albion fans, something you appear not to do. championshipgull
  • Score: 6

9:18pm Sun 2 Feb 14

albion64 says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
Bruce, don't worry what other so called supporters think about your comments. I for one agree with your post.

Oscar needs time for his new signings to bed in but I think we are all expecting a little too much for CMS and Hoskins to deliver very soon. Look at Ulloa, he is way off the pace and you can see his frustration in every game, committing fouls and having a go at the ref and pleading innocence.

Hoskins hasn't delivered to date, so we are all hoping he comes good. CMS also had his moments, although you could never criticise his work ethic. The new add on supporters, who are now the majority will not have the patience as those who have been used to the Withdean in the recent past. A strong finish this season should set us up for next term and hopefully a strong promotion push. As I said before Oscar needs time. UTA
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.[/p][/quote]Bruce, don't worry what other so called supporters think about your comments. I for one agree with your post. Oscar needs time for his new signings to bed in but I think we are all expecting a little too much for CMS and Hoskins to deliver very soon. Look at Ulloa, he is way off the pace and you can see his frustration in every game, committing fouls and having a go at the ref and pleading innocence. Hoskins hasn't delivered to date, so we are all hoping he comes good. CMS also had his moments, although you could never criticise his work ethic. The new add on supporters, who are now the majority will not have the patience as those who have been used to the Withdean in the recent past. A strong finish this season should set us up for next term and hopefully a strong promotion push. As I said before Oscar needs time. UTA albion64
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Sun 2 Feb 14

barnieb says...

We do not have an out and out goalscorer,that is our problem and has been for most of this season and last season.Ulloa is a shadow of his former self.Need to be much more adventurous with team selection,with a 4-2-3-1 formation with 2 wingers and a second striker sitting just behind Ulloa,to give him support and something for the opposition to think about.We really have to go for it now,otherwise another season is going to fade away into mid-table mediocrity and with our current squad,we are much better than that.Time to be brave O.G.
We do not have an out and out goalscorer,that is our problem and has been for most of this season and last season.Ulloa is a shadow of his former self.Need to be much more adventurous with team selection,with a 4-2-3-1 formation with 2 wingers and a second striker sitting just behind Ulloa,to give him support and something for the opposition to think about.We really have to go for it now,otherwise another season is going to fade away into mid-table mediocrity and with our current squad,we are much better than that.Time to be brave O.G. barnieb
  • Score: 2

9:38pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Marky24 says...

Danny Fox-Forest
Craig Conway-Blackburn
Adam Smith-Bournemouth

All good players who would of done well at Brighton .Garcia doesn't no the league or players around to succeed and depending on assistants and scouts won't really help him can't see us progressing beyond mid-table
Danny Fox-Forest Craig Conway-Blackburn Adam Smith-Bournemouth All good players who would of done well at Brighton .Garcia doesn't no the league or players around to succeed and depending on assistants and scouts won't really help him can't see us progressing beyond mid-table Marky24
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Sun 2 Feb 14

To baldly go says...

Disappointing today and only 1 point out of 9, but think about it guys, Derby scored against us with 1 quality strike out of the blue, Burnley couldn't score with 2 of the highest scorers in the league playing for them and Watford have scored goals against man city and Forest recently but lost and were due a win, especially at home! If, and it's a big if, we win next 3 home games we are back in the hunt!
S*** or bust now for Oscar, drop Lopez who was utter c*** again today and replace with March, LuaLua must start every game and where was Ince today,
Stevens looked ok for his first time out with us but play him with Ince as these 2 are going to be our pairing in midfield, not Andrews who is on loan and had a howler today. If Calderon had been on today instead of Bruno I don't think they would have got their first goal and as for the second, what was Greer thinking? We play it around to much at the back and when caught out don't have the pace to recover, Rodney looked quite good when he came on, willing to chase the ball, pacey and might settle in given the chance.
For me we need a whole change in our approach, Watford played 3-5-2 today, perhaps something Oscar should consider, especially as teams come and park the bus at the Amex, do we need 4 defenders at home!
TK in goal, Caldi, Upson, Ward in defence, Ince, Stevens and Orlandi midfield with LuaLua and March charging up and down the wings feeding any 2 strikers from Ulloa, Obika or Rodney, not forgetting Cms who could have done better than some already on today's performance.
Still positive we can make the play offs but need to change how we approach it. UTA
Disappointing today and only 1 point out of 9, but think about it guys, Derby scored against us with 1 quality strike out of the blue, Burnley couldn't score with 2 of the highest scorers in the league playing for them and Watford have scored goals against man city and Forest recently but lost and were due a win, especially at home! If, and it's a big if, we win next 3 home games we are back in the hunt! S*** or bust now for Oscar, drop Lopez who was utter c*** again today and replace with March, LuaLua must start every game and where was Ince today, Stevens looked ok for his first time out with us but play him with Ince as these 2 are going to be our pairing in midfield, not Andrews who is on loan and had a howler today. If Calderon had been on today instead of Bruno I don't think they would have got their first goal and as for the second, what was Greer thinking? We play it around to much at the back and when caught out don't have the pace to recover, Rodney looked quite good when he came on, willing to chase the ball, pacey and might settle in given the chance. For me we need a whole change in our approach, Watford played 3-5-2 today, perhaps something Oscar should consider, especially as teams come and park the bus at the Amex, do we need 4 defenders at home! TK in goal, Caldi, Upson, Ward in defence, Ince, Stevens and Orlandi midfield with LuaLua and March charging up and down the wings feeding any 2 strikers from Ulloa, Obika or Rodney, not forgetting Cms who could have done better than some already on today's performance. Still positive we can make the play offs but need to change how we approach it. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 5

11:08pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Vince says...

SMF20 wrote:
arc12 wrote: Maybe I'm on my own here - but what about dropping Ulloa for a couple of matches and play Obika together with Rodriguez. Ulloa's body language looks poor at the moment and you have two new strikers at the club who are probably hungry to impress. I like Ulloa but don't think he's quite the player some people seem to think. That's assuming OG will try two up front.
I understand your logic my friend but imho, the only reason that Leo is struggling is because we are giving him absolutely nothing to feed off. When you think in comparison that the cart horse at Burnley that we had on lone has scored 15, it really does show how an attacking team can benefit a striker. I feel bloody sorry for Leo... Best striker in the division and he's being totally wasted.
Unless we adopt a more attacking policy - esp at home - the club risk:-

1. Pi**ing off the fans, who will not renew their season tickets
2. Pi***ing off players like Ulloa - who probably, if fit, would have scored 25 to 30 goals for Burnley ofr Notts Forest.
3. Losing games to teams like Barnsley. I remember saying to my brother when the score was 0-0 after about 20 minutes - that unless we made some more attacking substitutions, Barnsley would score. Barnsley were coming more and more into the game - and sure enough within 5 minutes of me saying that, Barnsley had scored. After half time oscar made one substitution, but we went 0-2 down. It was only when he madee all 3 subs with about 15 mins to go we absolutely murdered them - but with just the one goal to show for it.

4, Continuing to have 60% to 70% of possession, but have less shots than the opposition - and fail to score.

5. Continuing to play Lopez instead of Solly, and Jake ahead of Agustien.

6. Greer continuing to play sideways and backwards. What the heck are we keeping him and getting rid of El-Abd? Madness.

Our goals FOR column is a total embarrassment - with the quality of players we have at our disposal. No wonder, no strikers want to join us - knowing they are going to be warming the bench!

Come on Mr Bloom, sort things out, because the club risk alienating our best players and our fans alike. The loss of key players and lower crowds will negate any savings made by adhering to FFP. The two B's will walk away satisfied that they have achieved their targets - leaving the fans and players totally frustrated.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm on my own here - but what about dropping Ulloa for a couple of matches and play Obika together with Rodriguez. Ulloa's body language looks poor at the moment and you have two new strikers at the club who are probably hungry to impress. I like Ulloa but don't think he's quite the player some people seem to think. That's assuming OG will try two up front.[/p][/quote]I understand your logic my friend but imho, the only reason that Leo is struggling is because we are giving him absolutely nothing to feed off. When you think in comparison that the cart horse at Burnley that we had on lone has scored 15, it really does show how an attacking team can benefit a striker. I feel bloody sorry for Leo... Best striker in the division and he's being totally wasted.[/p][/quote]Unless we adopt a more attacking policy - esp at home - the club risk:- 1. Pi**ing off the fans, who will not renew their season tickets 2. Pi***ing off players like Ulloa - who probably, if fit, would have scored 25 to 30 goals for Burnley ofr Notts Forest. 3. Losing games to teams like Barnsley. I remember saying to my brother when the score was 0-0 after about 20 minutes - that unless we made some more attacking substitutions, Barnsley would score. Barnsley were coming more and more into the game - and sure enough within 5 minutes of me saying that, Barnsley had scored. After half time oscar made one substitution, but we went 0-2 down. It was only when he madee all 3 subs with about 15 mins to go we absolutely murdered them - but with just the one goal to show for it. 4, Continuing to have 60% to 70% of possession, but have less shots than the opposition - and fail to score. 5. Continuing to play Lopez instead of Solly, and Jake ahead of Agustien. 6. Greer continuing to play sideways and backwards. What the heck are we keeping him and getting rid of El-Abd? Madness. Our goals FOR column is a total embarrassment - with the quality of players we have at our disposal. No wonder, no strikers want to join us - knowing they are going to be warming the bench! Come on Mr Bloom, sort things out, because the club risk alienating our best players and our fans alike. The loss of key players and lower crowds will negate any savings made by adhering to FFP. The two B's will walk away satisfied that they have achieved their targets - leaving the fans and players totally frustrated. Vince
  • Score: 3

6:13am Mon 3 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Hector66 says...

can't help thinking we took into the match the negativity of the transfer window - or its negative momentum (for want of a better expression) - and got the result we deserved.

bridcutt played a starring role yesterday yet couldn't feature for us in the last two or three games. seems like we could have done with him today, much more than the paltry transfer fee we received.

really bad piece of business, imo, and it's likely to haunt us.

Tripe -the money we received for Bridcutt was a club record - bear in mind the player has no premiership experience. How much did you think we would get for him? Talk of £4 - million was fantasy dreamt up by supporters.. You are believing Poyet's egotistical boasting about what a fantastic deal he made. What else could you expect from him?
the only tripe is coming from you

my remarks are emprical, by all reports bridcutt was outstanding away at Newcastle and compare his price to the price received by wolves for jarvis and fletcher some 18 months ago.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Hector66 says... can't help thinking we took into the match the negativity of the transfer window - or its negative momentum (for want of a better expression) - and got the result we deserved. bridcutt played a starring role yesterday yet couldn't feature for us in the last two or three games. seems like we could have done with him today, much more than the paltry transfer fee we received. really bad piece of business, imo, and it's likely to haunt us. Tripe -the money we received for Bridcutt was a club record - bear in mind the player has no premiership experience. How much did you think we would get for him? Talk of £4 - million was fantasy dreamt up by supporters.. You are believing Poyet's egotistical boasting about what a fantastic deal he made. What else could you expect from him?[/p][/quote]the only tripe is coming from you my remarks are emprical, by all reports bridcutt was outstanding away at Newcastle and compare his price to the price received by wolves for jarvis and fletcher some 18 months ago. Hector66
  • Score: 0

6:17am Mon 3 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Why do we always end the game with the more ambitious line up that we could have started the game with? Ulloa realy doesn't thrive as a lone striker.

I really think todays game was the tipping point of the season, we are 10 points adrfit of Forest in 5th, and 7 points adrift of Reading in 6th, so its starting to look like there's only really one play off spot left to fight for, and thats going to be 5 horse race.

Given that we seem to lack the fortitude to take games to the opponents i'm reluctantly looking at todays result as the one that tipped us over the ledge of mediocrity for the season and evidence that we are just not strong enough to be a serious play off contender. Realistically we would need to match what Leicester have just done, a 9 match winning streak, and frankly, we're a million miles away from that.

We lack ambition both on and off the pitch, we're not prepared to take risks, and no risk means no reward. We are are just too predictable, too lightweight, we have no engine room in midfield, and if we persist with Ulloa as a lone striker the results will continue to be sporadic.

We simply have no midfield metal, and I guess the wonder of today is that Lopez managed to last 70+ mins before being subbed, but that guy needs to be replaced, Orlando is equally as lightweight and 10 mins of decent stuff is not enough from him, Forster Caskey too naive, Andrews too slow, Agustein too lazy. Boy, did we miss Ince today, and in that sense it exposed out center backs and poor slow old Gordon stands out when exposed.

We played a Watford team today that are on a major downer, they had key players missing, they played in mid week and were accused of looking like tired legs, and yet today we seemed to be the side with all those atributes.

Opportunity missed, and sadly I can't see us mounting much of a challenge at this point.

We may be able to hold our heads up and keep quoting our sucess of adhering to Financial fair play, but the reality is that FFP will likely breed mediocre on field sucess which will soon drive down revenue through shrinking attendnace, and thus drive down our ability for on field sucess. The vicious cycle appears to be in fully swing

Its a mad world.
the voice of reason and analytical insight - hear him, hear him!
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Why do we always end the game with the more ambitious line up that we could have started the game with? Ulloa realy doesn't thrive as a lone striker. I really think todays game was the tipping point of the season, we are 10 points adrfit of Forest in 5th, and 7 points adrift of Reading in 6th, so its starting to look like there's only really one play off spot left to fight for, and thats going to be 5 horse race. Given that we seem to lack the fortitude to take games to the opponents i'm reluctantly looking at todays result as the one that tipped us over the ledge of mediocrity for the season and evidence that we are just not strong enough to be a serious play off contender. Realistically we would need to match what Leicester have just done, a 9 match winning streak, and frankly, we're a million miles away from that. We lack ambition both on and off the pitch, we're not prepared to take risks, and no risk means no reward. We are are just too predictable, too lightweight, we have no engine room in midfield, and if we persist with Ulloa as a lone striker the results will continue to be sporadic. We simply have no midfield metal, and I guess the wonder of today is that Lopez managed to last 70+ mins before being subbed, but that guy needs to be replaced, Orlando is equally as lightweight and 10 mins of decent stuff is not enough from him, Forster Caskey too naive, Andrews too slow, Agustein too lazy. Boy, did we miss Ince today, and in that sense it exposed out center backs and poor slow old Gordon stands out when exposed. We played a Watford team today that are on a major downer, they had key players missing, they played in mid week and were accused of looking like tired legs, and yet today we seemed to be the side with all those atributes. Opportunity missed, and sadly I can't see us mounting much of a challenge at this point. We may be able to hold our heads up and keep quoting our sucess of adhering to Financial fair play, but the reality is that FFP will likely breed mediocre on field sucess which will soon drive down revenue through shrinking attendnace, and thus drive down our ability for on field sucess. The vicious cycle appears to be in fully swing Its a mad world.[/p][/quote]the voice of reason and analytical insight - hear him, hear him! Hector66
  • Score: -2

6:19am Mon 3 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

EastWorthingExocetMi
ssile
wrote:
I thnk the bridcutt situation has hit the whole squad badly. We lost a quality,quality player for 2.5 million., which in terms of our budget and the cost of players wages is nothing, and is next to zero for a premiership club. If you factor in that Ince and bridcutt in the same side really complimented each other well and were unbeaten in the same side, this is a massive oppurtunity lost for a relatively paltry amount of money.
Factor in that we also had to pay bridcutt,s wages for the best part of a month whilst he basically refused to play which must have disrupted the whole squad as well and this represents a really poor bit of business for the albion.
I normally have a lot of faith in tony bloom but I understand he was in Australia for much of the january transfer window and it appears argent and Burke have made a real mess of this transfer. It was also obvious a bid for bridcutt was going to client his transfer window and we shoudhavebeen made way more prepared for it.
The only saving grace will be if we spend the money wisely on a few oscar targets in the summer who he gets playing at their best. But as oscar insists on playing one up front, we will only get promoted if that one upfront gets thirty goals a season through being properly serviced by two really accurate crossers of the ball. I'm not convinced we have this at the moment.

Let's have a real crack at the fa cup this year because unless reading and forestsuddenlystop scoring goals weare not going to make the play offs this year. And hop oscar has a good look at the squad this year gets a decent pre-season next year and brings insome clear quality up frontinthe summer.
this just about says it all.
[quote][p][bold]EastWorthingExocetMi ssile[/bold] wrote: I thnk the bridcutt situation has hit the whole squad badly. We lost a quality,quality player for 2.5 million., which in terms of our budget and the cost of players wages is nothing, and is next to zero for a premiership club. If you factor in that Ince and bridcutt in the same side really complimented each other well and were unbeaten in the same side, this is a massive oppurtunity lost for a relatively paltry amount of money. Factor in that we also had to pay bridcutt,s wages for the best part of a month whilst he basically refused to play which must have disrupted the whole squad as well and this represents a really poor bit of business for the albion. I normally have a lot of faith in tony bloom but I understand he was in Australia for much of the january transfer window and it appears argent and Burke have made a real mess of this transfer. It was also obvious a bid for bridcutt was going to client his transfer window and we shoudhavebeen made way more prepared for it. The only saving grace will be if we spend the money wisely on a few oscar targets in the summer who he gets playing at their best. But as oscar insists on playing one up front, we will only get promoted if that one upfront gets thirty goals a season through being properly serviced by two really accurate crossers of the ball. I'm not convinced we have this at the moment. Let's have a real crack at the fa cup this year because unless reading and forestsuddenlystop scoring goals weare not going to make the play offs this year. And hop oscar has a good look at the squad this year gets a decent pre-season next year and brings insome clear quality up frontinthe summer.[/p][/quote]this just about says it all. Hector66
  • Score: 0

7:48am Mon 3 Feb 14

lmspike says...

3 defeats in 17, not a bad run the common factor in those losses.........No Rohan Ince... Was he dropped or did he have an injury?
1 up front is so negitive with that choice of midfield.Team selections are at times as baffling as Gus's were. A continuation of lack of goals and excitment and showing no ambition will leave us in a FFP hole when season ticket renew letters are sent out this month. The 000's of punters that are not brighton fans will realise the prem is a pipe dream and won't renew and we can have an Amex with 17000 watching next season.
3 defeats in 17, not a bad run the common factor in those losses.........No Rohan Ince... Was he dropped or did he have an injury? 1 up front is so negitive with that choice of midfield.Team selections are at times as baffling as Gus's were. A continuation of lack of goals and excitment and showing no ambition will leave us in a FFP hole when season ticket renew letters are sent out this month. The 000's of punters that are not brighton fans will realise the prem is a pipe dream and won't renew and we can have an Amex with 17000 watching next season. lmspike
  • Score: -1

10:06am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

ClorsonSeagull wrote:
Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........
Was about to give you the thumbs up til I read the last sentence.
[quote][p][bold]ClorsonSeagull[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed with the performance today and the way the season is tailing off. However also disappointed with some fans saying they won't renew season tickets or go and see the Albion any more. I, for one, will always support the Albion win lose or draw. The fans are the lifeblood of the club! We really need a lift from a clever loan or two, feel the window was mediocre at best, lost our best player on the cheap and missed out on getting Conway back - he was one player who made our formation work as he ran at the opposition and could cross the ball. We definitely need to play with more pace and urgency, when you see all the goals on the Championship roundup, so many are a result of attacking with pace or of good crosses. Our problem isn't the formation (it got us to 4th last year!) its the ponderous approach of prizing possession above all else. We do nothing with it, just pass the ball around in our own half. Only when we are losing and running out of time do we pick up the pace. Very frustrating, but I can tell you one thing - my support will not waver!! On the plus side, we don't concede too many, but I feel Oscar needs to stop listening to Jones and get some fluency and pace in our game. Moan over, if we beat Doncaster and Leeds i'll be singing Oscar and Nathan's praises! On another note, does anyone agree that thever sion of Sussex by the Sea that they play before home games sounds very dated. We need a modern, cool version. I am sure Fatboy Slim could come up with something........[/p][/quote]Was about to give you the thumbs up til I read the last sentence. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

10:35am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

ballantrrae wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games?

No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands.

Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy.

I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season.

Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place.

The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us.

We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target.

Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.
You raise some interesting points which the club need to consider.
I suspect that our 9th position reflects where we should be - after 28 games it is difficult to argue against that. We all know the reason why - not enough goals.
I think Oscar is a first rate coach who has the ability to get more out of players than one has previously seen. Witness Barnes, Ince, LuaLua etc. What is beginning to concern me is his apparent inflexibility tactically. Just occasionally it might be nice to see us switch to having two strikers. Perhaps I am reacting negatively to a run of indifferent league results away from home. 3 fixtures that were always going to be difficult. However the impression I have got is that had we been more positive we could have obtained a better return than 1 point out of 9. I would be interested in other posters thoughts.
Hopefully the upcoming run of home matches will provide a more positive return. UTA.
Yes this post reflects my perspective on matters. Oscar is undoubtedly a good coach but the tactical / formational question is becoming more pressing. As someone mentioned above, we MUST use a more dynamic and attacking pair alongside Ulloa. Based on current availability it would be LuaLua - Ulloa - March.

Lopez is not an attacking player. He's only suited to the deeper lying role he played last year. How much of his bad form this season is down to that change of role is debatable but for me it's a significant chunk.

March is fearless and hungry. Get him the game time for our short-, as well as long-term benefit. Buckley may be back soon. Will Solly miss opportunities he's deserves in the meantime? What's more Lopez will have the crowd on his back soon. Barnes' tedious boo boys will be looking for their next victim..b ..remember they haven't had the change to spit their vitriol at The Amex for pweeks now.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Why did we bother signing Obika or Rodriguez when OG, the man who promised us attacking football, wants to play 4-5-1 and park the bus for away games? No doubt Obika will suffer the same fate as Leroy Lita, who spent the first part of his loan spell on the bench and the second part sitting in the stands. Bad enough playing boring football, but when it's boring, losing football then supporters are going to be unhappy. I think the January transfer window told us all we needed to know. The club is more concerned about staying within the FFP guidelines than making a play-off push this season. Given that our chairman has invested so much money in the club already, that may well be the correct course of action. No point in increasing our debt in a futile pursuit of sixth place. The problem is that with Ulloa out of form, and Crofty done for the season, you can't see where the goals are coming from. It was the right decision to recoup a transfer fee for Barnes once it was clear he was off in the summer but, love him or hate him, he did score some key goals for us. We were the only team in the top 13 in the table to lose this weekend. Be interesting to see how strong a team OG fields against Hull in the FA Cup tie because that could well be our primary target. Cue the abuse from Championshipgull and the others who don't like to read negative posts, no matter whether they are fair comment or not.[/p][/quote]You raise some interesting points which the club need to consider. I suspect that our 9th position reflects where we should be - after 28 games it is difficult to argue against that. We all know the reason why - not enough goals. I think Oscar is a first rate coach who has the ability to get more out of players than one has previously seen. Witness Barnes, Ince, LuaLua etc. What is beginning to concern me is his apparent inflexibility tactically. Just occasionally it might be nice to see us switch to having two strikers. Perhaps I am reacting negatively to a run of indifferent league results away from home. 3 fixtures that were always going to be difficult. However the impression I have got is that had we been more positive we could have obtained a better return than 1 point out of 9. I would be interested in other posters thoughts. Hopefully the upcoming run of home matches will provide a more positive return. UTA.[/p][/quote]Yes this post reflects my perspective on matters. Oscar is undoubtedly a good coach but the tactical / formational question is becoming more pressing. As someone mentioned above, we MUST use a more dynamic and attacking pair alongside Ulloa. Based on current availability it would be LuaLua - Ulloa - March. Lopez is not an attacking player. He's only suited to the deeper lying role he played last year. How much of his bad form this season is down to that change of role is debatable but for me it's a significant chunk. March is fearless and hungry. Get him the game time for our short-, as well as long-term benefit. Buckley may be back soon. Will Solly miss opportunities he's deserves in the meantime? What's more Lopez will have the crowd on his back soon. Barnes' tedious boo boys will be looking for their next victim..b ..remember they haven't had the change to spit their vitriol at The Amex for pweeks now. Captain Haddock
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10:47am Mon 3 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

the one concern about solly is his ability to cover back, obviously he's a fantatic attacking talent.
the one concern about solly is his ability to cover back, obviously he's a fantatic attacking talent. Hector66
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12:31pm Mon 3 Feb 14

tooncgull says...

Well - while I am severely disappointed in the way things are going, the lacklustre form and the selling of Bridcutt etc... I really cannot understand the fans who are threatening to not renew their season tickets etc ... Good grief, Man Up!! This is football, not the theatre. Fair weather fans - pah! You'd have loved the Withdean years, and the late Goldstone years!!!
Well - while I am severely disappointed in the way things are going, the lacklustre form and the selling of Bridcutt etc... I really cannot understand the fans who are threatening to not renew their season tickets etc ... Good grief, Man Up!! This is football, not the theatre. Fair weather fans - pah! You'd have loved the Withdean years, and the late Goldstone years!!! tooncgull
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12:40pm Mon 3 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
sussexram40 says...

I've noticed Ulloa hasn't seemed happy since Gus left. He looks out of sorts and not enjoying his football. I agree with the poster who said to drop him and play the new pair upfront together.
As for the LB debacle - yes it was handled badly. Turning down his transfer request was ridiculous, led Liam to sulk and not play and that has a big impact on the dressing room. We were always going to have to let him go and the way it was handled has done us damage.
I'm starting to lose confidence in The Lizard. I think we will need a big clear out from top to bottom before we can be serious promototion contenders again.
The Gus glory years are over.
I was screaming for Tony Pulis for weeks until Parar@se wisely snapped him up. He would have had us in the Top 6 now.
We need a good, experienced British manager with a track record of success.
Bloom and co need to wake up and realise that being Spanish soesn't make you better than an Englishman.
We are Brighton & Hove Albion. NOT Costa Del Brighton.

Billious tripe from beginning to end. You've 'lost faith in the lizard' - he's put millions of pounds into the club - and your contribution is? There's one born every minute.
B rian Tawses left foot, sorry but I prefer the "work" and "fight" of Dick Knight that the millions of someone like TB, millions can be brought by any millionaire but desire, commitment (especially during transfer windows, not being in Australia), telling us the true, etc is only a few like Dick that can do it. just to explain, i don't support someone because of his money, you don't buy support, you gave what you promised to the fans, Barca offensive football style!!!!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: sussexram40 says... I've noticed Ulloa hasn't seemed happy since Gus left. He looks out of sorts and not enjoying his football. I agree with the poster who said to drop him and play the new pair upfront together. As for the LB debacle - yes it was handled badly. Turning down his transfer request was ridiculous, led Liam to sulk and not play and that has a big impact on the dressing room. We were always going to have to let him go and the way it was handled has done us damage. I'm starting to lose confidence in The Lizard. I think we will need a big clear out from top to bottom before we can be serious promototion contenders again. The Gus glory years are over. I was screaming for Tony Pulis for weeks until Parar@se wisely snapped him up. He would have had us in the Top 6 now. We need a good, experienced British manager with a track record of success. Bloom and co need to wake up and realise that being Spanish soesn't make you better than an Englishman. We are Brighton & Hove Albion. NOT Costa Del Brighton. Billious tripe from beginning to end. You've 'lost faith in the lizard' - he's put millions of pounds into the club - and your contribution is? There's one born every minute.[/p][/quote]B rian Tawses left foot, sorry but I prefer the "work" and "fight" of Dick Knight that the millions of someone like TB, millions can be brought by any millionaire but desire, commitment (especially during transfer windows, not being in Australia), telling us the true, etc is only a few like Dick that can do it. just to explain, i don't support someone because of his money, you don't buy support, you gave what you promised to the fans, Barca offensive football style!!!! searich1983
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