Jones admits to Albion frustration

The Argus: Frustration for Oscar Garcia and Nathan Jones Frustration for Oscar Garcia and Nathan Jones

Nathan Jones admitted Albion were frustrated after going down 2-0 at Watford.

He felt an early Ikechi Anya strike changed the game after a bright start from the Seagulls.

And he also rued Fernando Forestieri’s second-half goal - plus a disallowed header by Leo Ulloa.

Albion’s assistant head coach said: “We are disappointed as a group and as a team. We didn’t start too badly, ironically, but we conceded goals at bad times.

“The first one came slightly against the run of play but they took that and it kind of knocked the wind out of us a little bit.

“We huffed and puffed without really taking the game to them.

“The second goal came at a bad time as well and to rub salt in the wound with the disallowed goal, we felt that came at a time when we might have kicked on and got something from the game.

“All round we are quite frustrated really.”

 

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6:50pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SMF20 says...

I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones.

Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.
I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones. Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see. SMF20

6:51pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Clean Sheet says...

January has been a difficult month, and was always going to be. Ned to regroup, and kick on a run of positive results.
January has been a difficult month, and was always going to be. Ned to regroup, and kick on a run of positive results. Clean Sheet

6:53pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Phantom says...

Nearly all goals conceded come at bad times - that's the game. Completed paceless side selected and only improved after Lua Lua came due to injury. We seem to be going nowhere at the moment and Obika seems in danger of being another Lita - scores a goal and then barely plays again. All not lost yet as had a similar run last season during a stretch of away games. Need to find some inspiration from somewhere.
Nearly all goals conceded come at bad times - that's the game. Completed paceless side selected and only improved after Lua Lua came due to injury. We seem to be going nowhere at the moment and Obika seems in danger of being another Lita - scores a goal and then barely plays again. All not lost yet as had a similar run last season during a stretch of away games. Need to find some inspiration from somewhere. The Phantom

7:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Trouble is the suits pick the manager (or head coach,what a laugh) and the buying and selling of players and they have made a lousey job of it on all counts.Get rid of OG and the Blues Bros,or just the Blues Bros for a start it might allow OG to be a real Manager.I cant see Tony Pullis or any other real manager putting up with their interference.
Trouble is the suits pick the manager (or head coach,what a laugh) and the buying and selling of players and they have made a lousey job of it on all counts.Get rid of OG and the Blues Bros,or just the Blues Bros for a start it might allow OG to be a real Manager.I cant see Tony Pullis or any other real manager putting up with their interference. pjwilk

7:13pm Sun 2 Feb 14

WoodingdeanDS says...

Jones comes on and trots out these comments but doesn't have any answers or words of encouragement. I hope he doesn't take over from Oscar. I can see the defence cracking - Greer and Bruno are on the downward slope and the cover is basically Caldi. I don't rate the others at all (Chicksen etc). There's too many in the squad, too many midfielders. Two up front supported by two wingers is a formula that got Albion to the top flight in 1979 and a winning strategy that is still true today. The idea that an academy style training facility is the answer is only one piece in a jigsaw. Winning games such as today gets you in the top 6. Perhaps the idea is to coach young players to a top standard and sell them on?
Jones comes on and trots out these comments but doesn't have any answers or words of encouragement. I hope he doesn't take over from Oscar. I can see the defence cracking - Greer and Bruno are on the downward slope and the cover is basically Caldi. I don't rate the others at all (Chicksen etc). There's too many in the squad, too many midfielders. Two up front supported by two wingers is a formula that got Albion to the top flight in 1979 and a winning strategy that is still true today. The idea that an academy style training facility is the answer is only one piece in a jigsaw. Winning games such as today gets you in the top 6. Perhaps the idea is to coach young players to a top standard and sell them on? WoodingdeanDS

7:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Edward_1 says...

No attacking threat,Almunia didnt have a shot to save.Plenty of sideways passing but nothing going forward although Lua Lua hit the bar within minutes of coming on.Our other tactic seemed to be lumping the ball up to Ulloa who was our lone striker and inevitably found it difficult leading the line on his own.Stephens and Roriguez largely anonymous.March looked promising in the little time he was allowed.Greer an Bruno had terrible games,it was Greer's loss of control that led to Watford's second goal. and Bruno was too easily exposed for Watfords first goal.Very disappointing.
No attacking threat,Almunia didnt have a shot to save.Plenty of sideways passing but nothing going forward although Lua Lua hit the bar within minutes of coming on.Our other tactic seemed to be lumping the ball up to Ulloa who was our lone striker and inevitably found it difficult leading the line on his own.Stephens and Roriguez largely anonymous.March looked promising in the little time he was allowed.Greer an Bruno had terrible games,it was Greer's loss of control that led to Watford's second goal. and Bruno was too easily exposed for Watfords first goal.Very disappointing. Edward_1

7:21pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Neville says...

Looking back now to when the GP rows started,the protracted saga which went on for weeks, the inactivity in the transfer market following that,the lack of any real information, the OG appointment rumours and then failures to secure a striker,even under GP until we got LU, followed by this latest transfer window,allowing players to leave without replacements lined up, the LB situ which has clearly been allowed to drag on for too long,the WB uncertainty,Adam El Abd leaving,AB never signing a contract offer,the list is endless and has in my opinion had an effect on morale within the camp. In addition a lot of backroom staff have left and one really must question the activity and strategy of the higher archy.
With mid table now looking a reality it will be interesting to see what action the board take to try and offset any potential season ticket losses.
I think the depth of feeling is running quite high generally and would not be suprised if we make a loan signing or two, unfortunately may be a bit late then.
Looking back now to when the GP rows started,the protracted saga which went on for weeks, the inactivity in the transfer market following that,the lack of any real information, the OG appointment rumours and then failures to secure a striker,even under GP until we got LU, followed by this latest transfer window,allowing players to leave without replacements lined up, the LB situ which has clearly been allowed to drag on for too long,the WB uncertainty,Adam El Abd leaving,AB never signing a contract offer,the list is endless and has in my opinion had an effect on morale within the camp. In addition a lot of backroom staff have left and one really must question the activity and strategy of the higher archy. With mid table now looking a reality it will be interesting to see what action the board take to try and offset any potential season ticket losses. I think the depth of feeling is running quite high generally and would not be suprised if we make a loan signing or two, unfortunately may be a bit late then. Neville

7:40pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Pathetic Jones, go back to league 1, do you think we aren't frustrated by the negative style of play, its not going to win us anything and every opposition team knows exactly what to expect now, sideways and backwards passing and a lump upfield to poor Ulloa, on his own and no support, perhaps the club should give Mullery the job, at east he knows that goals win you games, defence and negative tactics do not. 80 plus goals under Mullery in 1979 when we had a much more attacking team, and surprise we got promoted. Difference is Mullery played in world cups etc and a very high level and knew how to win games. NJ where did you play ????????
Pathetic Jones, go back to league 1, do you think we aren't frustrated by the negative style of play, its not going to win us anything and every opposition team knows exactly what to expect now, sideways and backwards passing and a lump upfield to poor Ulloa, on his own and no support, perhaps the club should give Mullery the job, at east he knows that goals win you games, defence and negative tactics do not. 80 plus goals under Mullery in 1979 when we had a much more attacking team, and surprise we got promoted. Difference is Mullery played in world cups etc and a very high level and knew how to win games. NJ where did you play ???????? Steveg1958

7:43pm Sun 2 Feb 14

seagullsays says...

No pace (until Lua Lua came on), no creativity, a five man midfield with no width (work that out if you can, again until Lua Lua came on). Too many lightweight players, too slow to make change. Solly March looks so good when he get on the pitch, surely he's due a start replacing David soon. Ulloa needs some help. A frustrating trip to Watford today. That was not enjoyable to watch.I could go on, but ...............
No pace (until Lua Lua came on), no creativity, a five man midfield with no width (work that out if you can, again until Lua Lua came on). Too many lightweight players, too slow to make change. Solly March looks so good when he get on the pitch, surely he's due a start replacing David soon. Ulloa needs some help. A frustrating trip to Watford today. That was not enjoyable to watch.I could go on, but ............... seagullsays

8:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

raymondo999 says...

I don't want to be accused of being a troll. But when you read the banal tosh that jones trots out, and look at the things Gus is achieving at Sunderland, you do have to ask whether the "management" have got things right.
I don't want to be accused of being a troll. But when you read the banal tosh that jones trots out, and look at the things Gus is achieving at Sunderland, you do have to ask whether the "management" have got things right. raymondo999

8:20pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Gazza by the sea says...

Some of the comments on here a little harsh I think. Not a great performance for sure but we were certainly on top when they scored. We do generally keep possession well but it's not quite clicking in midfield for me. Oscar clearly doesn't know who is best 3 are (holding plus two central) as I'm not sure sure we've played the same 3 in that triangle in consecutive matches all season. Stephens showed some promise but overall too many wayward passes today to give the ball away cheaply. And other than the initial burst from KLL when he nearly scored goal of the season he spent too much of the rest of the game coming into the middle.

I am bewildered game after game how Lopez warrants regular selection - he really hasn't been on his game this season and was lightweight again today. Rodriguez showed enough to suggest that he may be a good foil for Leo - reminded me a lot of Hoskins in his style of play.

Full backs both played well going forward but Bruno was again a little casual defensively. And is Oscar telling GG to lump the ball forward more? It seems unlikely - and he's the only one doing it on a regular basis. And 9 times out of 10 today it gave Watford possession. If you were selecting Saturdays team based on today's performance you certainly wouldn't pick him.

All in all a little worrying really - but maybe blooding two new recruits means we should cut them some slack?

Today we definitely did not look top 6.
Some of the comments on here a little harsh I think. Not a great performance for sure but we were certainly on top when they scored. We do generally keep possession well but it's not quite clicking in midfield for me. Oscar clearly doesn't know who is best 3 are (holding plus two central) as I'm not sure sure we've played the same 3 in that triangle in consecutive matches all season. Stephens showed some promise but overall too many wayward passes today to give the ball away cheaply. And other than the initial burst from KLL when he nearly scored goal of the season he spent too much of the rest of the game coming into the middle. I am bewildered game after game how Lopez warrants regular selection - he really hasn't been on his game this season and was lightweight again today. Rodriguez showed enough to suggest that he may be a good foil for Leo - reminded me a lot of Hoskins in his style of play. Full backs both played well going forward but Bruno was again a little casual defensively. And is Oscar telling GG to lump the ball forward more? It seems unlikely - and he's the only one doing it on a regular basis. And 9 times out of 10 today it gave Watford possession. If you were selecting Saturdays team based on today's performance you certainly wouldn't pick him. All in all a little worrying really - but maybe blooding two new recruits means we should cut them some slack? Today we definitely did not look top 6. Gazza by the sea

8:30pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.
We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire. mikeygit

8:42pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

Fine to be frustrated Nathan but we won’t win games with our current team selections, negative tactics and our current lack of attacking threats. 30 goals in 28 matches is the problem. Nathan is right though when he says we huffed and puffed - that’s all we seem to do at the moment.

We lost 2-0 to a team who are in the bottom half of the table and who have been leaking goals lately. Only their second win in their last 16 matches. We had a great deal more of the ball than Watford today but we failed to score YET again and 30 goals in 28 matches says everything about our team. And Garcia is most definitely not delivering on his promise of attacking football.

Despite Greer’s absolute howler today, our defence is generally alright. However, we have nothing at all from the midfield, the wingers and the strikers going forward, absolutely nothing. Our shooting today was, let’s be honest, laughable and we just don’t look as though we will ever score. Today 15 shots and 1, yes just 1, on target.

It must be clear to all but the most blinkered that we are a weaker team than we were at the start of the latest transfer window and we look a very ordinary Championship team now. Given where we have been in the last 20 years being an ordinary Championship team is a pretty good position but anyone who seriously thinks we will make the play-offs this season is deluded.

We are now 7 points from the play-offs and the teams above us are better than us – there is no way we are going to make up that 7 point gap. The present team is not good enough to challenge for promotion, how many of our players can you really see as good enough for the Premiership. I’d say no more than 2. Sadly Forestieri once again showed he’s a couple of classes above anybody we’ve got.
Fine to be frustrated Nathan but we won’t win games with our current team selections, negative tactics and our current lack of attacking threats. 30 goals in 28 matches is the problem. Nathan is right though when he says we huffed and puffed - that’s all we seem to do at the moment. We lost 2-0 to a team who are in the bottom half of the table and who have been leaking goals lately. Only their second win in their last 16 matches. We had a great deal more of the ball than Watford today but we failed to score YET again and 30 goals in 28 matches says everything about our team. And Garcia is most definitely not delivering on his promise of attacking football. Despite Greer’s absolute howler today, our defence is generally alright. However, we have nothing at all from the midfield, the wingers and the strikers going forward, absolutely nothing. Our shooting today was, let’s be honest, laughable and we just don’t look as though we will ever score. Today 15 shots and 1, yes just 1, on target. It must be clear to all but the most blinkered that we are a weaker team than we were at the start of the latest transfer window and we look a very ordinary Championship team now. Given where we have been in the last 20 years being an ordinary Championship team is a pretty good position but anyone who seriously thinks we will make the play-offs this season is deluded. We are now 7 points from the play-offs and the teams above us are better than us – there is no way we are going to make up that 7 point gap. The present team is not good enough to challenge for promotion, how many of our players can you really see as good enough for the Premiership. I’d say no more than 2. Sadly Forestieri once again showed he’s a couple of classes above anybody we’ve got. SecondReserve

8:44pm Sun 2 Feb 14

albionbloke says...

Some good points and comments made here today. I must admit, I'm starting feel some doubts creeping in about whether OG has what takes for this league. I have been a supporter of him since his appointment and given what he's achieved with our devastating injuries, he's worked wonders. However, the concerns all stem from his apparently incessant refusal to put an attacking team on the pitch, particularly when he has the bodies to select from. I'm certainly not giving up on him and hope he comes good but I am just beginning to wonder.
Some good points and comments made here today. I must admit, I'm starting feel some doubts creeping in about whether OG has what takes for this league. I have been a supporter of him since his appointment and given what he's achieved with our devastating injuries, he's worked wonders. However, the concerns all stem from his apparently incessant refusal to put an attacking team on the pitch, particularly when he has the bodies to select from. I'm certainly not giving up on him and hope he comes good but I am just beginning to wonder. albionbloke

8:47pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Far gull says...

mikeygit wrote:
We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.
Top post. We had him in Vicente ,he left. We had Bridcutt he's left,bet we see little of Buckley again this season(certainly not the smiling player we saw last season) , Leo a shadow of last season.
Come on Vegas be that voice of positivity and reason, or maybe you are beginning to realise that we have 'us negative posters' have got a few points worthy of consideration at least.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.[/p][/quote]Top post. We had him in Vicente ,he left. We had Bridcutt he's left,bet we see little of Buckley again this season(certainly not the smiling player we saw last season) , Leo a shadow of last season. Come on Vegas be that voice of positivity and reason, or maybe you are beginning to realise that we have 'us negative posters' have got a few points worthy of consideration at least. Far gull

8:49pm Sun 2 Feb 14

raymondo999 says...

mikeygit wrote:
We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.
I remember those days mickey, but just be thankful that you saw a magic era. I've been watching football for over 50 years and haven't seen the like of that since and don't expect to see it again. Now we are back to the mike bailey years...and there are even some johnny come latelys who want to ditch sussex by the sea. Up the suits!!!
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.[/p][/quote]I remember those days mickey, but just be thankful that you saw a magic era. I've been watching football for over 50 years and haven't seen the like of that since and don't expect to see it again. Now we are back to the mike bailey years...and there are even some johnny come latelys who want to ditch sussex by the sea. Up the suits!!! raymondo999

8:51pm Sun 2 Feb 14

the taffster says...

lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo
k what we have been left with.
lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo k what we have been left with. the taffster

8:58pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

the taffster wrote:
lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo

k what we have been left with.
Remind me again how many strikers Gus used to play in the Championship when he employed by the Albion?
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo k what we have been left with.[/p][/quote]Remind me again how many strikers Gus used to play in the Championship when he employed by the Albion? Ex-pat Arnie

9:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
the taffster wrote:
lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo


k what we have been left with.
Remind me again how many strikers Gus used to play in the Championship when he employed by the Albion?
Ex- Pat your wasting your breath mate, its moaners evening, and I must admit ive had a little rant. You must remember good news gies nowhere, bsd news travels far !!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo k what we have been left with.[/p][/quote]Remind me again how many strikers Gus used to play in the Championship when he employed by the Albion?[/p][/quote]Ex- Pat your wasting your breath mate, its moaners evening, and I must admit ive had a little rant. You must remember good news gies nowhere, bsd news travels far !! Tony the tiger eastbourne

9:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

RobD21 says...

I really hate to say it but I'm not too sure that Garcia and Jones are the people we require to take us forward. Last season we finished fourth which was an incredible achievement so this season we expected to kick on even more or at least match last seasons finish. The play-offs are rapidly slipping away from us.

If we compare our squad to other teams e.g. Derby, I would say that man for man we have a better squad than them but why are they doing so well? Excellent management.

ps. please start playing two up front!! Attacking football was promised...
I really hate to say it but I'm not too sure that Garcia and Jones are the people we require to take us forward. Last season we finished fourth which was an incredible achievement so this season we expected to kick on even more or at least match last seasons finish. The play-offs are rapidly slipping away from us. If we compare our squad to other teams e.g. Derby, I would say that man for man we have a better squad than them but why are they doing so well? Excellent management. ps. please start playing two up front!! Attacking football was promised... RobD21

9:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

and another thing.... says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
the taffster wrote:
lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo



k what we have been left with.
Remind me again how many strikers Gus used to play in the Championship when he employed by the Albion?
Ex- Pat your wasting your breath mate, its moaners evening, and I must admit ive had a little rant. You must remember good news gies nowhere, bsd news travels far !!
Let's NOT indulge the trolls please!
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo k what we have been left with.[/p][/quote]Remind me again how many strikers Gus used to play in the Championship when he employed by the Albion?[/p][/quote]Ex- Pat your wasting your breath mate, its moaners evening, and I must admit ive had a little rant. You must remember good news gies nowhere, bsd news travels far !![/p][/quote]Let's NOT indulge the trolls please! and another thing....

9:17pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Gray seagull says...

Very disappointed with the performance. I really expected to beat Watford today. I felt Stephens had a fairly good first half but faded badly in the second. Very poor free kick towards the end which was always going wide. Looks as tho he can really hit a ball tho. I think Rodriguez is going to be an excellent acquisition. He is lightning quick and will be pushing for a start or at least he more game against Doncaster next Saturday. I didn't think Lopez played to badly, well he certainly wasn't our worst player today. That belongs to Greer with Bruno a close second. Very impressed with Solly again, and I think he showed up some of the senior players today. I'd like to see Calderon back next week for Bruno and hopefully Ince will be back too. This is my first post and just my opinion from today. UTA
Very disappointed with the performance. I really expected to beat Watford today. I felt Stephens had a fairly good first half but faded badly in the second. Very poor free kick towards the end which was always going wide. Looks as tho he can really hit a ball tho. I think Rodriguez is going to be an excellent acquisition. He is lightning quick and will be pushing for a start or at least he more game against Doncaster next Saturday. I didn't think Lopez played to badly, well he certainly wasn't our worst player today. That belongs to Greer with Bruno a close second. Very impressed with Solly again, and I think he showed up some of the senior players today. I'd like to see Calderon back next week for Bruno and hopefully Ince will be back too. This is my first post and just my opinion from today. UTA Gray seagull

9:20pm Sun 2 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change.
I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him.

This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.
I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change. I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him. This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing. VegasSeagull

9:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14

albion64 says...

pjwilk wrote:
Trouble is the suits pick the manager (or head coach,what a laugh) and the buying and selling of players and they have made a lousey job of it on all counts.Get rid of OG and the Blues Bros,or just the Blues Bros for a start it might allow OG to be a real Manager.I cant see Tony Pullis or any other real manager putting up with their interference.
In fact you can't see Tony Pulis at all. His tracksuit bottoms are usually up round his ears.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Trouble is the suits pick the manager (or head coach,what a laugh) and the buying and selling of players and they have made a lousey job of it on all counts.Get rid of OG and the Blues Bros,or just the Blues Bros for a start it might allow OG to be a real Manager.I cant see Tony Pullis or any other real manager putting up with their interference.[/p][/quote]In fact you can't see Tony Pulis at all. His tracksuit bottoms are usually up round his ears. albion64

9:26pm Sun 2 Feb 14

and another thing.... says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change.
I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him.

This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.
Agreed. All of it.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change. I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him. This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.[/p][/quote]Agreed. All of it. and another thing....

9:32pm Sun 2 Feb 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

mikeygit wrote:
We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.
It's that Wow factor, Upson & Leo gave us that in last Januarys transfer window, no one has come in to excite either the Fans or the Players, we've lost a lot of quality with Liam going & that defiantly has not been replaced, we should have acted at the start of the transfer window & showed some intent, at least last years ceiling was a Play off place, our season is virtually over as far top 6 is concerned, apart from the Cup game it's hard to see where the motivation comes from for the rest the Season.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.[/p][/quote]It's that Wow factor, Upson & Leo gave us that in last Januarys transfer window, no one has come in to excite either the Fans or the Players, we've lost a lot of quality with Liam going & that defiantly has not been replaced, we should have acted at the start of the transfer window & showed some intent, at least last years ceiling was a Play off place, our season is virtually over as far top 6 is concerned, apart from the Cup game it's hard to see where the motivation comes from for the rest the Season. blue-eyed-boy

9:36pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

In 1981 we had been in the top division for two seasons when Alan Mullery (our best ever manager by a very long way) quit because we were selling our best players, Lawrenson specifically. We then appointed a low profile manager in Mike Bailey and we continued selling our best players and replacing them with less good players. The inevitable result was relegation from the top flight and the downhill spiral that ended with THAT match at Hereford. Basically we had overspent and the money ran out.

Since the end of last season we have been unable to afford Bridge, we have sold several of our senior and best players and we have brought in quite a few cheap / free / loan players, none of whom are an improvement on the team we had last season.

It’s fine to say but we’ve got Tony Bloom. Indeed we have and I have faith in him but also I remember very well that we said precisely the same about Mike Bamber 30 plus years ago.

It’s all starting to look like déjà vu. We all derided Poyet for his we’ve hit the ceiling comments after the Palace debacle but it looks more and more as though he was totally right.
In 1981 we had been in the top division for two seasons when Alan Mullery (our best ever manager by a very long way) quit because we were selling our best players, Lawrenson specifically. We then appointed a low profile manager in Mike Bailey and we continued selling our best players and replacing them with less good players. The inevitable result was relegation from the top flight and the downhill spiral that ended with THAT match at Hereford. Basically we had overspent and the money ran out. Since the end of last season we have been unable to afford Bridge, we have sold several of our senior and best players and we have brought in quite a few cheap / free / loan players, none of whom are an improvement on the team we had last season. It’s fine to say but we’ve got Tony Bloom. Indeed we have and I have faith in him but also I remember very well that we said precisely the same about Mike Bamber 30 plus years ago. It’s all starting to look like déjà vu. We all derided Poyet for his we’ve hit the ceiling comments after the Palace debacle but it looks more and more as though he was totally right. SecondReserve

9:46pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Southwick seagull says...

Astonishing negativity from the majority of posters after this poor result. Of course it's frustrating to lose ground to the other play off candidates but let's try and keep some perspective. There's still a long way to go and everything to play for. Let's all get behind the players and the coach and see if the run of home matches starting Saturday gets us back in the running.
Astonishing negativity from the majority of posters after this poor result. Of course it's frustrating to lose ground to the other play off candidates but let's try and keep some perspective. There's still a long way to go and everything to play for. Let's all get behind the players and the coach and see if the run of home matches starting Saturday gets us back in the running. Southwick seagull

9:52pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Eddy B says...

I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?
I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players? Eddy B

9:53pm Sun 2 Feb 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

Southwick seagull wrote:
Astonishing negativity from the majority of posters after this poor result. Of course it's frustrating to lose ground to the other play off candidates but let's try and keep some perspective. There's still a long way to go and everything to play for. Let's all get behind the players and the coach and see if the run of home matches starting Saturday gets us back in the running.
Of course most of the comments are negative, at some point you have to wake up & smell the coffee.
[quote][p][bold]Southwick seagull[/bold] wrote: Astonishing negativity from the majority of posters after this poor result. Of course it's frustrating to lose ground to the other play off candidates but let's try and keep some perspective. There's still a long way to go and everything to play for. Let's all get behind the players and the coach and see if the run of home matches starting Saturday gets us back in the running.[/p][/quote]Of course most of the comments are negative, at some point you have to wake up & smell the coffee. blue-eyed-boy

9:56pm Sun 2 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

NJ is frustrated !!!!! Probably not as frustrated as us fans are with him and his limp excuses.
Why cant he accept that playing this negative system with one up front is not going to work. He only has to look at the number of goals we have scored.
It's a pathetic return and the reason why we are slipping out of the frame.
I do so hope that for the next 4 home games we change this system and show more attacking flair. What's the point of having a potentially league winning centre forward when he is left isolated for large portions of the match.
The only pluses I see from this season to date has been the form of Ince and March. Why oh why March doesn't get a start in preference to David, I'll never understand.
I think TB needs to have a word because our football is currently so unattractive I can see our gates plummeting. If there are no goals there's nothing to shout about. I fear fans will vote with their feet if our style of football does not improve.
NJ is frustrated !!!!! Probably not as frustrated as us fans are with him and his limp excuses. Why cant he accept that playing this negative system with one up front is not going to work. He only has to look at the number of goals we have scored. It's a pathetic return and the reason why we are slipping out of the frame. I do so hope that for the next 4 home games we change this system and show more attacking flair. What's the point of having a potentially league winning centre forward when he is left isolated for large portions of the match. The only pluses I see from this season to date has been the form of Ince and March. Why oh why March doesn't get a start in preference to David, I'll never understand. I think TB needs to have a word because our football is currently so unattractive I can see our gates plummeting. If there are no goals there's nothing to shout about. I fear fans will vote with their feet if our style of football does not improve. fratsomrover

10:00pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

When is a good time to concede goals. This is just an excuse for a poor display both tactically and team wise
The best form of defence is attack so we need to be more positive in our approach and get more goals. Only one shot on target is appalling and to blame our defeat on conceding at the wrong times is not on. Give us some credit please.
We need to get more goals and common sense dictates we put teams under pressure and work their defence and goalkeeper (I bet Almeria must have been embarrassed to collect his wages today).
So please get it sorted. We still have a chance in this league. UTA
When is a good time to concede goals. This is just an excuse for a poor display both tactically and team wise The best form of defence is attack so we need to be more positive in our approach and get more goals. Only one shot on target is appalling and to blame our defeat on conceding at the wrong times is not on. Give us some credit please. We need to get more goals and common sense dictates we put teams under pressure and work their defence and goalkeeper (I bet Almeria must have been embarrassed to collect his wages today). So please get it sorted. We still have a chance in this league. UTA Joel'sGrandad

10:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

tug509 says...

When your bench has more attack in it ,than the team you`ve put on the pitch ,then somethings wrong ,March ,Lua Lua ,Rodriguez and Ulloa should have all started . Same crap tactics and formation on saturday ,and we will get the same crap result !.
When your bench has more attack in it ,than the team you`ve put on the pitch ,then somethings wrong ,March ,Lua Lua ,Rodriguez and Ulloa should have all started . Same crap tactics and formation on saturday ,and we will get the same crap result !. tug509

10:36pm Sun 2 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
When is a good time to concede goals. This is just an excuse for a poor display both tactically and team wise
The best form of defence is attack so we need to be more positive in our approach and get more goals. Only one shot on target is appalling and to blame our defeat on conceding at the wrong times is not on. Give us some credit please.
We need to get more goals and common sense dictates we put teams under pressure and work their defence and goalkeeper (I bet Almeria must have been embarrassed to collect his wages today).
So please get it sorted. We still have a chance in this league. UTA
Didn't you post a comment saying that you would not tell Oscar what eleven to pick, you would eave it to him, AND NOW YOU SAY HE GOT IT WRONG!!!!
Cake and eat it?
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: When is a good time to concede goals. This is just an excuse for a poor display both tactically and team wise The best form of defence is attack so we need to be more positive in our approach and get more goals. Only one shot on target is appalling and to blame our defeat on conceding at the wrong times is not on. Give us some credit please. We need to get more goals and common sense dictates we put teams under pressure and work their defence and goalkeeper (I bet Almeria must have been embarrassed to collect his wages today). So please get it sorted. We still have a chance in this league. UTA[/p][/quote]Didn't you post a comment saying that you would not tell Oscar what eleven to pick, you would eave it to him, AND NOW YOU SAY HE GOT IT WRONG!!!! Cake and eat it? VegasSeagull

11:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Time.for bloom and barber to go get VICENTE, SHOULD OF CAME ON AGAINST PALARSE IN PLAY OFFS HE WILL CREATE FIR US AGAIN
Time.for bloom and barber to go get VICENTE, SHOULD OF CAME ON AGAINST PALARSE IN PLAY OFFS HE WILL CREATE FIR US AGAIN Tonyuk175

11:23pm Sun 2 Feb 14

WoodingdeanDS says...

Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..
Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient.. WoodingdeanDS

11:27pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Vince says...

I hate to say it - but the Wally with the Brolly would have had us in the top 6 by now - with twice as many goals scored - and yes, a few more conceded!
I hate to say it - but the Wally with the Brolly would have had us in the top 6 by now - with twice as many goals scored - and yes, a few more conceded! Vince

11:59pm Sun 2 Feb 14

adamcooper138 says...

Nathan, nathan, nathan to be honest, we were undone more times than a bra - you cant hide from the truth....
Nathan, nathan, nathan to be honest, we were undone more times than a bra - you cant hide from the truth.... adamcooper138

1:21am Mon 3 Feb 14

Baldseagull says...

raymondo999 wrote:
I don't want to be accused of being a troll. But when you read the banal tosh that jones trots out, and look at the things Gus is achieving at Sunderland, you do have to ask whether the "management" have got things right.
Poyet spouted a fair bit of guff after a bad performance too, at least Jones isn't threatening to go home and play golf if he isn't receiving adulation.
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: I don't want to be accused of being a troll. But when you read the banal tosh that jones trots out, and look at the things Gus is achieving at Sunderland, you do have to ask whether the "management" have got things right.[/p][/quote]Poyet spouted a fair bit of guff after a bad performance too, at least Jones isn't threatening to go home and play golf if he isn't receiving adulation. Baldseagull

1:23am Mon 3 Feb 14

Vince says...

The best home game i saw this season - was when we beat Leicester 3-1. We passed the ball brilliantly, played a high line - pushed them back, and if we lost the ball fought tigerishly to get it back. Conway attacked with speed, Ince was majestic, Bruno was skilfull, and Lopez inventive. We totally outplayed the best team in the division with what was, on paper, a weak team.
I don't see many away games, but the game at Reading early in the season, we totally outplayed them, and were desperately unlucky to only draw.
Oscar need to show the team videos of those games. Also perhaps the 6-1 victory over Blaackpool, and the 3-0 victory over Palace last season. Paul Ince said we were the best team in the division and should get promoted. Unfortunately Gus cost us a lot of points from conceding several last minute equalisers, by bringing on defenders in the closing stages of games encouraging us to defend too deep, instead of continuing to take the game to the opposition.

We are still one of the best teams in the division, but we need to play with far more attacking purpose - for e.g. Obika or Rodriguez alongside Ulloa, and CMS when he is fit.
We need to get morale up again and play with 2 wingers out of Buckley, Lua Lua and March.

Agustien is not being given a fair chance. Lopez is a luxury we cannot afford. Greer should give way to Dunk now that El-Abd has gone.

Pulis tends to keep the same team each week, and the players there are starting to gel and realise their potential. We have constant squad rotation, and only occasionally get the right formula. We don't always play the player/s in form (like El-Abd), dropping them to give them a rest and, in his case, annoying him so much that he he rightly told the club to get stuffed. How could he and players like Agustien be motivated or get fit (although El-Abd was always fit - a true professional), by only playing the occasional game. March should be playing - if your good enough you're old enough. Orlandi is a class player and should always start. Lua Lua should always play, but he needs to practise delivering quality crosses for Ulloa.

In short - we need a more attacking mentality for home games in particular - playing a high line, quick incisive attacks using the pace of Buckley/March and Lua Lua, to feed Ulloa and Rodriguez with Orlandi/Stephens, Ince/Agustien holding the midfield and the back four of Bruno/Chicksen, Dunk/Greer, Upson and Ward/Calderon.





We need a more settled team -
The best home game i saw this season - was when we beat Leicester 3-1. We passed the ball brilliantly, played a high line - pushed them back, and if we lost the ball fought tigerishly to get it back. Conway attacked with speed, Ince was majestic, Bruno was skilfull, and Lopez inventive. We totally outplayed the best team in the division with what was, on paper, a weak team. I don't see many away games, but the game at Reading early in the season, we totally outplayed them, and were desperately unlucky to only draw. Oscar need to show the team videos of those games. Also perhaps the 6-1 victory over Blaackpool, and the 3-0 victory over Palace last season. Paul Ince said we were the best team in the division and should get promoted. Unfortunately Gus cost us a lot of points from conceding several last minute equalisers, by bringing on defenders in the closing stages of games encouraging us to defend too deep, instead of continuing to take the game to the opposition. We are still one of the best teams in the division, but we need to play with far more attacking purpose - for e.g. Obika or Rodriguez alongside Ulloa, and CMS when he is fit. We need to get morale up again and play with 2 wingers out of Buckley, Lua Lua and March. Agustien is not being given a fair chance. Lopez is a luxury we cannot afford. Greer should give way to Dunk now that El-Abd has gone. Pulis tends to keep the same team each week, and the players there are starting to gel and realise their potential. We have constant squad rotation, and only occasionally get the right formula. We don't always play the player/s in form (like El-Abd), dropping them to give them a rest and, in his case, annoying him so much that he he rightly told the club to get stuffed. How could he and players like Agustien be motivated or get fit (although El-Abd was always fit - a true professional), by only playing the occasional game. March should be playing - if your good enough you're old enough. Orlandi is a class player and should always start. Lua Lua should always play, but he needs to practise delivering quality crosses for Ulloa. In short - we need a more attacking mentality for home games in particular - playing a high line, quick incisive attacks using the pace of Buckley/March and Lua Lua, to feed Ulloa and Rodriguez with Orlandi/Stephens, Ince/Agustien holding the midfield and the back four of Bruno/Chicksen, Dunk/Greer, Upson and Ward/Calderon. We need a more settled team - Vince

1:58am Mon 3 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change.
I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him.

This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.
Sorry but that is rubbish!
All the best teams in England play 4-4-2 (even Arsenal have Poldolski back up front with Giroud now) and very few Continental teams play the Barca' way as that was a unique team and few have that type of player.
Garcia has said openly yesterday that he will not play two up front so we are stuck with just Ulloa up there who will leave in the Summer because he is so unhappy with the support he receives. To play the lone striker you need mid-fielders running beyond Ulloa and not one did that today. OG played a defensive midfield which was bound to fail in that respect. Directly we saw JFC in the team and not Ince it was obvious. but it seems neither you or your sycophants or Garcia can see that. We never got behind Watford or turned their three Centre Backs who only had to mark one player, Ulloa., How could Leo do anything? He had nobody to pass to and that has been the way for ages now. Garcia is costing us points because of his obstinacy and failure to adapt.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change. I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him. This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that is rubbish! All the best teams in England play 4-4-2 (even Arsenal have Poldolski back up front with Giroud now) and very few Continental teams play the Barca' way as that was a unique team and few have that type of player. Garcia has said openly yesterday that he will not play two up front so we are stuck with just Ulloa up there who will leave in the Summer because he is so unhappy with the support he receives. To play the lone striker you need mid-fielders running beyond Ulloa and not one did that today. OG played a defensive midfield which was bound to fail in that respect. Directly we saw JFC in the team and not Ince it was obvious. but it seems neither you or your sycophants or Garcia can see that. We never got behind Watford or turned their three Centre Backs who only had to mark one player, Ulloa., How could Leo do anything? He had nobody to pass to and that has been the way for ages now. Garcia is costing us points because of his obstinacy and failure to adapt. Claude Back

2:08am Mon 3 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

WoodingdeanDS wrote:
Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..
The point I was making is that Oscar, 'has,' a plan and my guess is that the board knew of that plan before he joined us.
If we are not prepared to give the man the time he needs, possibly two or three seasons, then the only other option is to buy the players that can make his plan work right now, and that would cost millions, millions we don't have.
It was not by accident that Mr. Bloom handed over the reins to a man with a proven track record in coaching young players, young players at Barcelona no less.
Like it or not we are at the beginning of a long term project, and unless Mr. Bloom changes his thinking, the project will continue. When I finish installing gone of my landscape designs it looks nothing like it will after a couple of years of growth, and after five years it looks different again, ten years on, and the project finally looks how I thought it would. Now I am nit saying that it will take Oscar ten years to get where he wants to be, but it will be years and not months.
[quote][p][bold]WoodingdeanDS[/bold] wrote: Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..[/p][/quote]The point I was making is that Oscar, 'has,' a plan and my guess is that the board knew of that plan before he joined us. If we are not prepared to give the man the time he needs, possibly two or three seasons, then the only other option is to buy the players that can make his plan work right now, and that would cost millions, millions we don't have. It was not by accident that Mr. Bloom handed over the reins to a man with a proven track record in coaching young players, young players at Barcelona no less. Like it or not we are at the beginning of a long term project, and unless Mr. Bloom changes his thinking, the project will continue. When I finish installing gone of my landscape designs it looks nothing like it will after a couple of years of growth, and after five years it looks different again, ten years on, and the project finally looks how I thought it would. Now I am nit saying that it will take Oscar ten years to get where he wants to be, but it will be years and not months. VegasSeagull

2:22am Mon 3 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

fratsomrover wrote:
NJ is frustrated !!!!! Probably not as frustrated as us fans are with him and his limp excuses.
Why cant he accept that playing this negative system with one up front is not going to work. He only has to look at the number of goals we have scored.
It's a pathetic return and the reason why we are slipping out of the frame.
I do so hope that for the next 4 home games we change this system and show more attacking flair. What's the point of having a potentially league winning centre forward when he is left isolated for large portions of the match.
The only pluses I see from this season to date has been the form of Ince and March. Why oh why March doesn't get a start in preference to David, I'll never understand.
I think TB needs to have a word because our football is currently so unattractive I can see our gates plummeting. If there are no goals there's nothing to shout about. I fear fans will vote with their feet if our style of football does not improve.
You are so right. We are going back to the Mike Bailey years at this rate. Gates will fall as we do not play attractive football. I think Gus is a good manager but I wasn't too keen on his style of play sometimes either. If some say otherwise then I suppose there is no accounting for taste. I realise we cannot win all the time. Most people can put up with a few losses when the game has been exciting but our football is boring with little goal mouth action, except maybe at our end!
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: NJ is frustrated !!!!! Probably not as frustrated as us fans are with him and his limp excuses. Why cant he accept that playing this negative system with one up front is not going to work. He only has to look at the number of goals we have scored. It's a pathetic return and the reason why we are slipping out of the frame. I do so hope that for the next 4 home games we change this system and show more attacking flair. What's the point of having a potentially league winning centre forward when he is left isolated for large portions of the match. The only pluses I see from this season to date has been the form of Ince and March. Why oh why March doesn't get a start in preference to David, I'll never understand. I think TB needs to have a word because our football is currently so unattractive I can see our gates plummeting. If there are no goals there's nothing to shout about. I fear fans will vote with their feet if our style of football does not improve.[/p][/quote]You are so right. We are going back to the Mike Bailey years at this rate. Gates will fall as we do not play attractive football. I think Gus is a good manager but I wasn't too keen on his style of play sometimes either. If some say otherwise then I suppose there is no accounting for taste. I realise we cannot win all the time. Most people can put up with a few losses when the game has been exciting but our football is boring with little goal mouth action, except maybe at our end! Claude Back

4:54am Mon 3 Feb 14

twonk says...

Hindsight, the only exact science.
Hindsight, the only exact science. twonk

7:46am Mon 3 Feb 14

jockithenoo says...

blue-eyed-boy wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.
It's that Wow factor, Upson & Leo gave us that in last Januarys transfer window, no one has come in to excite either the Fans or the Players, we've lost a lot of quality with Liam going & that defiantly has not been replaced, we should have acted at the start of the transfer window & showed some intent, at least last years ceiling was a Play off place, our season is virtually over as far top 6 is concerned, apart from the Cup game it's hard to see where the motivation comes from for the rest the Season.
I agree with mostof this post
But wasn't the clubs aim top ten last season ????
We over achieved last season and poyet let the club, squad and fans down in the play offs.
We are still capable of being in the top six.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]blue-eyed-boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: We need a central defender like Lauro--I expect loads of you on here remember at the Goldstone on many occasions he would get the ball in our goal area and jink his way up field into the opposing last quarter and pass maybe to Wardy and he scores--Peter Ward, Peter Ward we all sang--we need some of that spirit back at the Amex. We do not seem to have a ´star´player who sets the team on fire.[/p][/quote]It's that Wow factor, Upson & Leo gave us that in last Januarys transfer window, no one has come in to excite either the Fans or the Players, we've lost a lot of quality with Liam going & that defiantly has not been replaced, we should have acted at the start of the transfer window & showed some intent, at least last years ceiling was a Play off place, our season is virtually over as far top 6 is concerned, apart from the Cup game it's hard to see where the motivation comes from for the rest the Season.[/p][/quote]I agree with mostof this post But wasn't the clubs aim top ten last season ???? We over achieved last season and poyet let the club, squad and fans down in the play offs. We are still capable of being in the top six. UTA jockithenoo

8:53am Mon 3 Feb 14

daughter-of-manag says...

OMG what a load of moaners - give OG a break! The formation isn't the issue - whether they play 4-2-2 or 4-3-3 or even 2-2- flipping 6, we need to be patient, get behind the team and let OG coach the team. Shhheeeesh - I can't believe some of the stuff that I've read on here.
OMG what a load of moaners - give OG a break! The formation isn't the issue - whether they play 4-2-2 or 4-3-3 or even 2-2- flipping 6, we need to be patient, get behind the team and let OG coach the team. Shhheeeesh - I can't believe some of the stuff that I've read on here. daughter-of-manag

9:24am Mon 3 Feb 14

jockithenoo says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
OMG what a load of moaners - give OG a break! The formation isn't the issue - whether they play 4-2-2 or 4-3-3 or even 2-2- flipping 6, we need to be patient, get behind the team and let OG coach the team. Shhheeeesh - I can't believe some of the stuff that I've read on here.
I get you're point but come on 4-2-2 that would be an absolute nightmare
Ha! !Ha
UTA
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: OMG what a load of moaners - give OG a break! The formation isn't the issue - whether they play 4-2-2 or 4-3-3 or even 2-2- flipping 6, we need to be patient, get behind the team and let OG coach the team. Shhheeeesh - I can't believe some of the stuff that I've read on here.[/p][/quote]I get you're point but come on 4-2-2 that would be an absolute nightmare Ha! !Ha UTA jockithenoo

9:28am Mon 3 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

I've supported the Albion for over 50 years and have been to the vast majority of our home matches and probably almost half of our away matches in that time. I dread to think how much time and money that equates to! I will continue to support the Albion because they are my home town team but I am also a realist about the Albion (after all the bad years you have to be!).

The present situation is that we have sold some of out better players, it is clear that several of the players who got us close to the Premiership last season are now past their sell-by date, the new players we have brought in are not good enough to get us to the next level, we are totally unable to score goals and serious questions are now being asked about the management team.

If the height of our ambition is to be a moderate Championship team (which is possibly the case) then all is well but I certainly thought we were aiming for the Premiership fairly soon, in which case the picture is not very rosy because realistically very few of the current team are good enough to achieve that.

Who played well yesterday? Could you pick a man of the Match from the starting eleven? Shaky defending and only 1 shot on target against a team who had only won once in their last 15 league matches. Not good.
I've supported the Albion for over 50 years and have been to the vast majority of our home matches and probably almost half of our away matches in that time. I dread to think how much time and money that equates to! I will continue to support the Albion because they are my home town team but I am also a realist about the Albion (after all the bad years you have to be!). The present situation is that we have sold some of out better players, it is clear that several of the players who got us close to the Premiership last season are now past their sell-by date, the new players we have brought in are not good enough to get us to the next level, we are totally unable to score goals and serious questions are now being asked about the management team. If the height of our ambition is to be a moderate Championship team (which is possibly the case) then all is well but I certainly thought we were aiming for the Premiership fairly soon, in which case the picture is not very rosy because realistically very few of the current team are good enough to achieve that. Who played well yesterday? Could you pick a man of the Match from the starting eleven? Shaky defending and only 1 shot on target against a team who had only won once in their last 15 league matches. Not good. SecondReserve

10:11am Mon 3 Feb 14

tug509 says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
OMG what a load of moaners - give OG a break! The formation isn't the issue - whether they play 4-2-2 or 4-3-3 or even 2-2- flipping 6, we need to be patient, get behind the team and let OG coach the team. Shhheeeesh - I can't believe some of the stuff that I've read on here.
"Get behind the team"

What like the 2000 did y,day ,only to see the current worst form team win 2-0 ,because we had two strikers on the bench and only one on the field !! ,two wingers on the bench and none on the field !! ,just how much patience should we show ,before OG and NJ ,actually put out an attacking line up ? .
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: OMG what a load of moaners - give OG a break! The formation isn't the issue - whether they play 4-2-2 or 4-3-3 or even 2-2- flipping 6, we need to be patient, get behind the team and let OG coach the team. Shhheeeesh - I can't believe some of the stuff that I've read on here.[/p][/quote]"Get behind the team" What like the 2000 did y,day ,only to see the current worst form team win 2-0 ,because we had two strikers on the bench and only one on the field !! ,two wingers on the bench and none on the field !! ,just how much patience should we show ,before OG and NJ ,actually put out an attacking line up ? . tug509

10:51am Mon 3 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones.

Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.
Yes problem is we only have one coach (Cheep) OG'S A carbourd cut out no speeky !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones. Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.[/p][/quote]Yes problem is we only have one coach (Cheep) OG'S A carbourd cut out no speeky !!!!!!! tinker111

11:00am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

pjwilk wrote:
Trouble is the suits pick the manager (or head coach,what a laugh) and the buying and selling of players and they have made a lousey job of it on all counts.Get rid of OG and the Blues Bros,or just the Blues Bros for a start it might allow OG to be a real Manager.I cant see Tony Pullis or any other real manager putting up with their interference.
Blues brothers (senseless and unfunny nickname since day one) blah blah moan moan I love hoofball blah blah.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Trouble is the suits pick the manager (or head coach,what a laugh) and the buying and selling of players and they have made a lousey job of it on all counts.Get rid of OG and the Blues Bros,or just the Blues Bros for a start it might allow OG to be a real Manager.I cant see Tony Pullis or any other real manager putting up with their interference.[/p][/quote]Blues brothers (senseless and unfunny nickname since day one) blah blah moan moan I love hoofball blah blah. Captain Haddock

11:10am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

the taffster wrote:
lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo

k what we have been left with.
Poyet never played 2 strikers. You've contradicted yourself.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: lets employ a new manager who will play with 2 strikers......poyet is turning on the style at sunderland.......loo k what we have been left with.[/p][/quote]Poyet never played 2 strikers. You've contradicted yourself. Captain Haddock

11:13am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change.
I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him.

This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.
Excellent post.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I, like many of you didn't see the game so would not be right of me to comment of players performances but I say this, Oscar has a plan to have our team play in a way that he feels is right, the, 'Barca,' way, and that isn't going to change. I am not convinced that he has the right players at his disposal to achieve that goal in just one season, but the younger lads will respond better than those with, 'experience,' the older player. Oscar has laid out his plan for all to see, the interview he gave leaves no room for doubt. From the school boys right thru to the senior team, the plan is the same, the club either backs him or sacks him, and I am certain that they will back him. This revolution is not going to happen over night, it will take two maybe three seasons but when it does happen, we will challenge with the best on an equal footing. If some think that the plan is wrong then I suggest that you look at the best club and national teams around the world, look at who is winning the trophies and who isn't. England have played 4-4-2 for years, when did we last win anything, when did we even reach the last four of anything, compare England to Spain and look at how Chli are progressing.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Captain Haddock

11:17am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Eddy B wrote:
I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?
He went for £3.35m rising to £3.55m on apprearances with another £450k if Sunderland survive.
[quote][p][bold]Eddy B[/bold] wrote: I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?[/p][/quote]He went for £3.35m rising to £3.55m on apprearances with another £450k if Sunderland survive. Captain Haddock

11:27am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

WoodingdeanDS wrote:
Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..
Yes but let's not forget the financial meltdown that later ensued, leading to those filthy thieving scumbags gutting our club and setting us back a generation.

If it takes 2/3 years and changes of quality playing personnel, so be it...I'd rather we went up this year but not for the sake of another financial disaster.

(4 years in top flight last time, not 5, btw)
[quote][p][bold]WoodingdeanDS[/bold] wrote: Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..[/p][/quote]Yes but let's not forget the financial meltdown that later ensued, leading to those filthy thieving scumbags gutting our club and setting us back a generation. If it takes 2/3 years and changes of quality playing personnel, so be it...I'd rather we went up this year but not for the sake of another financial disaster. (4 years in top flight last time, not 5, btw) Captain Haddock

11:47am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WoodingdeanDS wrote:
Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..
The point I was making is that Oscar, 'has,' a plan and my guess is that the board knew of that plan before he joined us.
If we are not prepared to give the man the time he needs, possibly two or three seasons, then the only other option is to buy the players that can make his plan work right now, and that would cost millions, millions we don't have.
It was not by accident that Mr. Bloom handed over the reins to a man with a proven track record in coaching young players, young players at Barcelona no less.
Like it or not we are at the beginning of a long term project, and unless Mr. Bloom changes his thinking, the project will continue. When I finish installing gone of my landscape designs it looks nothing like it will after a couple of years of growth, and after five years it looks different again, ten years on, and the project finally looks how I thought it would. Now I am nit saying that it will take Oscar ten years to get where he wants to be, but it will be years and not months.
Another good post, Vegas. Like it or not this is undoubtedly TB's plan and we WILL benefit from it in the long term unless fans dictate vehemently enough otherwise (overwhelming protest and / or vast drops in season ticket renewals). I hope and like to think the latter scenario will not transpire as we would have the worst case scenario of losing money and time in our plan.

Doubts have rightly been expressed regards our transfer window, some of Oscar's tactical choices and so on, but I believe he's getting more right than wrong in difficult circumstances. Money is being kept tight (it has to be IMHO) and I know that's immensely frustrating when we see Forest spend our entire outlay over the past three years in one window or two but it really is comforting to know we operate without grave risk of destruction.

Forest fans may feel there's a lot packed in their trousers right now but if they miss the top two (I think they will) and then lose either one of two cup tie lottery matches, their impotence will be the talk of the terraces up and down the land and beyond - the current owners will be gone leaving their rather different (to Tony B's) legacy in their extravagant wake.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WoodingdeanDS[/bold] wrote: Vegas Seagull says the 'plan' could take two or three years. Over that time the players we currently have will have largely moved one. What's the point of waiting two or three years? When Albion made the top grade in 1979 they did it with a strong squad that was built from promotion from Div 3. Three years including the promotion year from Div 3 they were in Div 1. Two years in the old Div 2 followed by 5 in Div 1. Posts above are rightly worried by what is happening. Those that say stick with it and be patient might not be saying that in two years time, but that's how long it will take them to wake up. The Albion board might not be that patient..[/p][/quote]The point I was making is that Oscar, 'has,' a plan and my guess is that the board knew of that plan before he joined us. If we are not prepared to give the man the time he needs, possibly two or three seasons, then the only other option is to buy the players that can make his plan work right now, and that would cost millions, millions we don't have. It was not by accident that Mr. Bloom handed over the reins to a man with a proven track record in coaching young players, young players at Barcelona no less. Like it or not we are at the beginning of a long term project, and unless Mr. Bloom changes his thinking, the project will continue. When I finish installing gone of my landscape designs it looks nothing like it will after a couple of years of growth, and after five years it looks different again, ten years on, and the project finally looks how I thought it would. Now I am nit saying that it will take Oscar ten years to get where he wants to be, but it will be years and not months.[/p][/quote]Another good post, Vegas. Like it or not this is undoubtedly TB's plan and we WILL benefit from it in the long term unless fans dictate vehemently enough otherwise (overwhelming protest and / or vast drops in season ticket renewals). I hope and like to think the latter scenario will not transpire as we would have the worst case scenario of losing money and time in our plan. Doubts have rightly been expressed regards our transfer window, some of Oscar's tactical choices and so on, but I believe he's getting more right than wrong in difficult circumstances. Money is being kept tight (it has to be IMHO) and I know that's immensely frustrating when we see Forest spend our entire outlay over the past three years in one window or two but it really is comforting to know we operate without grave risk of destruction. Forest fans may feel there's a lot packed in their trousers right now but if they miss the top two (I think they will) and then lose either one of two cup tie lottery matches, their impotence will be the talk of the terraces up and down the land and beyond - the current owners will be gone leaving their rather different (to Tony B's) legacy in their extravagant wake. Captain Haddock

11:52am Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

tinker111 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones.

Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.
Yes problem is we only have one coach (Cheep) OG'S A carbourd cut out no speeky !!!!!!!
Dear oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones. Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.[/p][/quote]Yes problem is we only have one coach (Cheep) OG'S A carbourd cut out no speeky !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Dear oh dear. Captain Haddock

12:23pm Mon 3 Feb 14

GosportGull says...

The frustration is caused by OG and NJ .. Its obvious that the tactics are not working ! It needs a complete re think ! There is no point what so ever in having 65% of possession and 15 wayward shots if we can't score !
It needs addressing in the way we play and it needs addressing NOW !
We will throw this season away unless OG and NJ find solutions ! If Oscar WILL NOT even try to change then maybe the chairman will change something , ie , the manager !

We have 2 games in hand ,a chance to bounce back and chase the pack again ..but at the moment , its looking very unlikely .. Its a shame for the Chairman who invests , the players who want to do well and the fans who travel the length and breadth of country paying with their hard earn't money to support the team we love ... Please be more attacking Oscar ..like you boasted you would when you arrived here .... GG
The frustration is caused by OG and NJ .. Its obvious that the tactics are not working ! It needs a complete re think ! There is no point what so ever in having 65% of possession and 15 wayward shots if we can't score ! It needs addressing in the way we play and it needs addressing NOW ! We will throw this season away unless OG and NJ find solutions ! If Oscar WILL NOT even try to change then maybe the chairman will change something , ie , the manager ! We have 2 games in hand ,a chance to bounce back and chase the pack again ..but at the moment , its looking very unlikely .. Its a shame for the Chairman who invests , the players who want to do well and the fans who travel the length and breadth of country paying with their hard earn't money to support the team we love ... Please be more attacking Oscar ..like you boasted you would when you arrived here .... GG GosportGull

1:58pm Mon 3 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Eddy B wrote:
I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?
He went for £3.35m rising to £3.55m on apprearances with another £450k if Sunderland survive.
Ha ha don't be naive, who are you? i thin you are trying too hard to support B&B, the price is the price and if not let s ask TB to tell us the true, how much did we sell LB? go on TB say it !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy B[/bold] wrote: I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?[/p][/quote]He went for £3.35m rising to £3.55m on apprearances with another £450k if Sunderland survive.[/p][/quote]Ha ha don't be naive, who are you? i thin you are trying too hard to support B&B, the price is the price and if not let s ask TB to tell us the true, how much did we sell LB? go on TB say it !!!! searich1983

2:12pm Mon 3 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones.

Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.
Yes problem is we only have one coach (Cheep) OG'S A carbourd cut out no speeky !!!!!!!
Dear oh dear.
What does D oh D mean ??? have just had to fork out for whelsh HE HE Eng Speak tape
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm sure sure not as frustrated as us Mr Jones. Sort things out. No more excuses... The problems are there for all to see.[/p][/quote]Yes problem is we only have one coach (Cheep) OG'S A carbourd cut out no speeky !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]What does D oh D mean ??? have just had to fork out for whelsh HE HE Eng Speak tape tinker111

2:20pm Mon 3 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

SecondReserve wrote:
In 1981 we had been in the top division for two seasons when Alan Mullery (our best ever manager by a very long way) quit because we were selling our best players, Lawrenson specifically. We then appointed a low profile manager in Mike Bailey and we continued selling our best players and replacing them with less good players. The inevitable result was relegation from the top flight and the downhill spiral that ended with THAT match at Hereford. Basically we had overspent and the money ran out.

Since the end of last season we have been unable to afford Bridge, we have sold several of our senior and best players and we have brought in quite a few cheap / free / loan players, none of whom are an improvement on the team we had last season.

It’s fine to say but we’ve got Tony Bloom. Indeed we have and I have faith in him but also I remember very well that we said precisely the same about Mike Bamber 30 plus years ago.

It’s all starting to look like déjà vu. We all derided Poyet for his we’ve hit the ceiling comments after the Palace debacle but it looks more and more as though he was totally right.
OH YES GUS WAS RIGHT HE NEVER GOT BACKING AT THE RIGHT TIME BUT !HAY DID HE LOOK HAPPY YESTERDAY SORRY SATURDAY WATCHED A GREAT AWAY WIN FOR GUS AND YES WATCHED AGAIN YESTERDAY ! oh yes hope Survial fee is in place for Bridders great to see him play full game on saturday
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: In 1981 we had been in the top division for two seasons when Alan Mullery (our best ever manager by a very long way) quit because we were selling our best players, Lawrenson specifically. We then appointed a low profile manager in Mike Bailey and we continued selling our best players and replacing them with less good players. The inevitable result was relegation from the top flight and the downhill spiral that ended with THAT match at Hereford. Basically we had overspent and the money ran out. Since the end of last season we have been unable to afford Bridge, we have sold several of our senior and best players and we have brought in quite a few cheap / free / loan players, none of whom are an improvement on the team we had last season. It’s fine to say but we’ve got Tony Bloom. Indeed we have and I have faith in him but also I remember very well that we said precisely the same about Mike Bamber 30 plus years ago. It’s all starting to look like déjà vu. We all derided Poyet for his we’ve hit the ceiling comments after the Palace debacle but it looks more and more as though he was totally right.[/p][/quote]OH YES GUS WAS RIGHT HE NEVER GOT BACKING AT THE RIGHT TIME BUT !HAY DID HE LOOK HAPPY YESTERDAY SORRY SATURDAY WATCHED A GREAT AWAY WIN FOR GUS AND YES WATCHED AGAIN YESTERDAY ! oh yes hope Survial fee is in place for Bridders great to see him play full game on saturday tinker111

4:16pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Oscar's Chin says...

searich1983 wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Eddy B wrote:
I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?
He went for £3.35m rising to £3.55m on apprearances with another £450k if Sunderland survive.
Ha ha don't be naive, who are you? i thin you are trying too hard to support B&B, the price is the price and if not let s ask TB to tell us the true, how much did we sell LB? go on TB say it !!!!
We'll I've heard the same figures quoted via someone claiming to know a board member. On that basis I trust the sea captain more than the searich!
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy B[/bold] wrote: I'm very concerned Bridcutt went for a mere £2.5m. What does it say for the valuation of the other players?[/p][/quote]He went for £3.35m rising to £3.55m on apprearances with another £450k if Sunderland survive.[/p][/quote]Ha ha don't be naive, who are you? i thin you are trying too hard to support B&B, the price is the price and if not let s ask TB to tell us the true, how much did we sell LB? go on TB say it !!!![/p][/quote]We'll I've heard the same figures quoted via someone claiming to know a board member. On that basis I trust the sea captain more than the searich! Oscar's Chin

4:18pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Seagull in Malta says...

WoodingdeanDS wrote:
Jones comes on and trots out these comments but doesn't have any answers or words of encouragement. I hope he doesn't take over from Oscar. I can see the defence cracking - Greer and Bruno are on the downward slope and the cover is basically Caldi. I don't rate the others at all (Chicksen etc). There's too many in the squad, too many midfielders. Two up front supported by two wingers is a formula that got Albion to the top flight in 1979 and a winning strategy that is still true today. The idea that an academy style training facility is the answer is only one piece in a jigsaw. Winning games such as today gets you in the top 6. Perhaps the idea is to coach young players to a top standard and sell them on?
I think things may have changed a bit since then. How many teams play with 2 wingers and 2 up front in the top 2 divisions?
[quote][p][bold]WoodingdeanDS[/bold] wrote: Jones comes on and trots out these comments but doesn't have any answers or words of encouragement. I hope he doesn't take over from Oscar. I can see the defence cracking - Greer and Bruno are on the downward slope and the cover is basically Caldi. I don't rate the others at all (Chicksen etc). There's too many in the squad, too many midfielders. Two up front supported by two wingers is a formula that got Albion to the top flight in 1979 and a winning strategy that is still true today. The idea that an academy style training facility is the answer is only one piece in a jigsaw. Winning games such as today gets you in the top 6. Perhaps the idea is to coach young players to a top standard and sell them on?[/p][/quote]I think things may have changed a bit since then. How many teams play with 2 wingers and 2 up front in the top 2 divisions? Seagull in Malta

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